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Worst case of nepotism in Hollywood?

Whose undeserved fame annoys you the most?

by Anonymousreply 26110/15/2014

Jaden Smith

by Anonymousreply 101/24/2014

Nicholas Cage

by Anonymousreply 201/24/2014

Jaden Smith, ahoy! Anyone who's seen "After Earth" would understand fully.

by Anonymousreply 301/24/2014

OP--are you a frustrated actor? Do you like to tell yourself you didn't succeed because other people had an unfair advantage?

by Anonymousreply 401/24/2014

Jaden ruined the remake of The Day the Earth Stood Still. The little shit.

by Anonymousreply 501/24/2014

Cage annoys me because you could pick people randomly off the street and 90% of the time get a better performance. And yet he keeps getting work.

by Anonymousreply 601/24/2014

Annette Bening. Terrible actress who is consistently the worst part of any picture she does. But she keeps getting work because for some unknown reason, Hollywood feels they must kiss her husbands ass.

by Anonymousreply 701/24/2014

[quote]Cage annoys me because you could pick people randomly off the street and 90% of the time get a better performance. And yet he keeps getting work.

Maybe, but no thanks to uncle Francis, who can barely get a movie financed these days.

by Anonymousreply 801/24/2014

Outdoing all the "I'm 60 but look 24 years old" bitches on DL, the Joan Crawford appearance on 'The Secret Storm', proving Mommie was not always good with soaps.

by Anonymousreply 901/24/2014

[all posts by tedious, racist idiot removed.]

by Anonymousreply 1001/24/2014

There are lots of egregious cases of nepotism in Hollywood--some of them I don't mind so much because the person who benefits is decently talented. I don't think anyone has minded Leslie Mann getting good roles in Judd Apatow's films (she is a decent comic actress), or when Mia Farrow got such great roles in Woody Allen's films when they were together (since she is an excellent actress).

The problem is when you get a terrible or charisma-free actor getting good parts because of their relation to the director or movie star behind the film: Barbara Bosson always getting great roles in Stephen Bochco's TV series and the talentless Sherri Moon Zombie always getting the female lead in Rob Zombie's films.

Probably the 2 worst examples I can think of are Sofia Coppola in "Godfather 3" and Jaden Smith in "After earth." In both instances, the father winded up holding up the child to popular ridicule because it was so obvious the child did not have the talent or charisma required to carry off the role.

by Anonymousreply 1101/24/2014

Back in the day Nic Cage could indeed act if he had a director who could rein him in, and also had a first-class body. So I actually like him very much in films where he gets to be sexy and controls his hamminess (such as "Red Rock West"--God, his ass back then in tight jeans!-- or "Moonstruck").

The trouble is that he got fat as he got older and started becoming a caricature of himself in terms of the scenery chewing.

by Anonymousreply 1201/24/2014

Lea Dunham.

by Anonymousreply 1301/24/2014

Of course I won't come up here, because everyone knows I made it through my dazzling looks and acting talent.

by Anonymousreply 1401/24/2014

Jason Reitman and the Landis kid

by Anonymousreply 1501/24/2014

Mamie

by Anonymousreply 1601/24/2014

Jaden Smith has no equal, but Tori Spelling and Luke Russert are a close second and third.

by Anonymousreply 1701/24/2014

Nobody beats Jaden Smith at this game

by Anonymousreply 1801/24/2014

[quote]The problem is when you get a terrible or charisma-free actor getting good parts because of their relation to the director or movie star behind the film: Barbara Bosson always getting great roles in Stephen Bochco's TV series and the talentless Sherri Moon Zombie always getting the female lead in Rob Zombie's films.

The patron saint of all these ladies is Sheila Mathews (Who?! Exactly). She was married to disaster-film director Irwin Allen. So the next time you watch "The Towering Inferno", and you say to yourself, "who is this zaftig extra in the hot pink gown and big blonde bouffant, and why does she get to stand next to Dunaway and Holden and McQueen during all the big dramatic moments?"--well, now you have the answer.

by Anonymousreply 1901/24/2014

Another big case: Lorraine Gary, the wife of entertainment executive Sidney Sheinberg, who got good roles in the Jaws movies and 1941 because her husband discovered Steven Spielberg.

by Anonymousreply 2001/24/2014

R7, Annette was an Oscar nominated actress before hooking up with Beatty and most of her success came after Beatty became completely irrelevant in Hollywood.

You might think she's terrible, but her success isn't because of Warren. If anything, since she missed the prime years for an actress because of pregnancy, he hindered her career.

by Anonymousreply 2101/24/2014

Tori Spelling..if she did not have that Jewish last name, she would be working at GoldenArches or with that face, collecting unemployment.

by Anonymousreply 2201/24/2014

Not one mention of no-talent right wing asshole Melissa Rivers?

by Anonymousreply 2301/24/2014

Does the "Today" show count?

by Anonymousreply 2401/24/2014

Sam Robards, son of Jason Robards & (I think) Lauren Bacall

by Anonymousreply 2501/24/2014

R13 has it. What a mess that thing is. Of course, her parents aren't in show business, but their "art" - dad's sex crap and the mother's sicko doll photos - make some sense of their anxiety-riddles, OCD-diagnosed mess of a gal.

Although she is talented, right? Right?

by Anonymousreply 2601/24/2014

Leslie Mann owns this thread.

by Anonymousreply 2701/24/2014

Scott Caan

Zoe Kravitz

by Anonymousreply 2801/24/2014

How quickly we forget

by Anonymousreply 2901/24/2014

jessica capshaw

by Anonymousreply 3001/24/2014

All of these are true!

by Anonymousreply 3101/24/2014

Lucy Arnez and Desi Arnez Jr.

by Anonymousreply 3201/24/2014

I didn't get any help when *I* came to Hollywood.

by Anonymousreply 3301/24/2014

Angelina Jolie

Jennifer Aniston

Miley Cyrus

by Anonymousreply 3401/24/2014

GOOP

by Anonymousreply 3501/24/2014

Shit, R32...I was going to mention those two!

But it's Arnaz, not Arnez

by Anonymousreply 3601/24/2014

R33: Yes, just a little Georgie...from Dad Nick & Auntie Rosemary.

by Anonymousreply 3701/24/2014

Anyone think that twatty Paris Hilton got whatever celebri-douche status she has, from her Daddy's money?

by Anonymousreply 3801/24/2014

Bobby Brown; he'd be as over as the rest of New Edition if it weren't for Whitney.

by Anonymousreply 3901/24/2014

R39: well, isn't he over?

by Anonymousreply 4001/24/2014

Enrique Iglesias thinks he's made it solely on the basis of his stellar singing talents. Uh-huh.

by Anonymousreply 4101/24/2014

Jane Fonda and Drew Barrymore. Period.

by Anonymousreply 4201/24/2014

Norma Shearer

by Anonymousreply 4301/24/2014

A lot of these people are deeply talented.

by Anonymousreply 4401/24/2014

r40 True; I guess I meant to say he would've been over much earlier (like in the late-80s) if not for Whitney

by Anonymousreply 4501/24/2014

Another vote for Drew Barrymore. That lisp is so distracting.

by Anonymousreply 4601/24/2014

R44 = Tallulah Willis

by Anonymousreply 4701/24/2014

Hard to say who is the worst BUT I can point out two that annoy the sh*t out of most people:

WILL SMITH'S kids and ALL of FRANCIS FORD COPPOLA'S relatives !!

by Anonymousreply 4801/24/2014

Whoever that ugly incompetent bitch was who magically got the female lead in Magic Mike because her Daddy ran the studio.

by Anonymousreply 4901/24/2014

Jaden Smith owns this thread.

by Anonymousreply 5001/24/2014

r49 It boggles my mind that THOSE WERE THE GOOD TAKES. No wonder Soderbergh retired. Can you imagine having to see that thing do 4 or 5 takes? I honestly can't think of a worse performance in a good film in the last 5 years.

by Anonymousreply 5101/24/2014

Any Kardashian and Kelly Osborne

by Anonymousreply 5201/24/2014

Gwyneth Paltrow

Kate Hudson

by Anonymousreply 5301/24/2014

Luke Russert

Washington DC: It's Hollywood for ugly people.

by Anonymousreply 5401/24/2014

Kristen Stewart. She has one speed: bored.

by Anonymousreply 5501/24/2014

The rise and almost immediate fall of the Gummer Sisters.

by Anonymousreply 5601/25/2014

Jaden Smith.

No more calls! We have a winner!

by Anonymousreply 5701/25/2014

Melissa Rivers

by Anonymousreply 5801/25/2014

The fact that we even know the name B. D. Hyman is disgusting.

by Anonymousreply 5901/25/2014

Lorenzo Lamas

by Anonymousreply 6001/25/2014

Jason Gould

by Anonymousreply 6101/25/2014

Chaz, nee Chastity, Bono

by Anonymousreply 6201/25/2014

Bristol Palin

by Anonymousreply 6301/25/2014

Jake Gyllenhall

by Anonymousreply 6401/25/2014

julie chan

by Anonymousreply 6508/27/2014

Annette is a gifted actress who was on Broadway long before she ever met Warren.

I am in casting and I have to say the most persistent over nepotistic push I have EVER scene has been done on behalf of Meryl's girls.

This happens all the time but her kids just don't have the goods.

These two very nice lovely but not very talented girls are represented by CAA who push them with mafia like intimidation.

And it works. These girls would never get into my office based on their own merits.

by Anonymousreply 6608/27/2014

Kiefer.

by Anonymousreply 6708/27/2014

Nicolas Cage, Jason Schwartzmann

Mame Gummer

by Anonymousreply 6808/27/2014

Enrique Iglesias hair.

by Anonymousreply 6908/27/2014

Someone probably named her before me, but for me the winner is Sofia Coppola who destroyed the already heavily flawed The Godfather part III with her shitty acting. I'm also not crazy about her directorial efforts. The only thing she ever made that I liked was Marie Antoinette, but that's probably because I'm a sucker for 1980's tunes.

by Anonymousreply 7008/27/2014

nick kroll

by Anonymousreply 7108/27/2014

Jake Gyllenhaal. Quite series of failed attempts to make him happen. They tried so hard to make him badass and edgy. I don't mind his sister though.

by Anonymousreply 7208/27/2014

I liked Inventing the Abbotts, which Sofia directed. But what's not to like with Billy Crudup and Joanna Going? And Joaq, if you like Joaq?

by Anonymousreply 7308/27/2014

Sofia Coppola in Godfather 3 is an embarrassment to everyone who thought it was ok to hire her.

by Anonymousreply 7408/27/2014

I love Jake. He makes me believe nepotism is sometimes a good thing.

by Anonymousreply 7508/27/2014

R30 Really? I am one of the few people who still watch Grey's Anatomy and Jessica has easily been one of the best things about it for the last few years.

by Anonymousreply 7608/27/2014

R74 She was only in Godfather 3 because Winona Ryder got sick and they needed a last minute replacement.

by Anonymousreply 7708/27/2014

Funny, all these mentions of Jaden Smith but not Willow. Or she not count as Hollywood because she's more of a singer?

Would it be racist of me to say that that girl is butt ugly? She looks like an in-drag version of her dad as a child.

by Anonymousreply 7808/27/2014

Agreed, R76. I really like Arizona. Callie, too.

by Anonymousreply 7908/27/2014

Alison Williams

by Anonymousreply 8008/27/2014

r73 Sofia Coppola had nothing to do with Inventing the Abbotts.

I think the movie you mean is the Virgin Suicides, starring Kirsten Dunst, Josh Hartnett and Kathleen Turner. Sofia wrote and directed that movie which came out in 1999. I liked it a lot.

While I've never been impressed by Sofia's acting, I have enjoyed her directing. She also did Lost in Translation, Marie Antoinette and the Bling Ring.

by Anonymousreply 8108/27/2014

Nicolas Cage, Angelina Jolie, the Smith kids, George Clooney, Sofia Coppola

Annette Bening deserved her GG for The Kids Are All Right, she was amazing in that one. Goop is a very fine actress, but I am sure being god daughter to Spielberg doesn't hurt.

by Anonymousreply 8208/27/2014

And Sofia was the only available "actress" willing to or interested in working with Coppola?? He hadn't seen any other actresses auditioning for the part?? Come on!

by Anonymousreply 8308/27/2014

"Funny, all these mentions of Jaden Smith but not Willow. Or she not count as Hollywood because she's more of a singer?"

She isn't being handed leading roles in Major Motion Pictures, unlike her no-talent brother. Okay, they tried to put in the "Annie" remake but that fell through; they said she turned it down but she was more likely fired.

I can't imagine what life is like for those kids; two narcissistic egomaniac Hollywood parents who expect the kids to be movie stars. I know what narcissistic parents are like, in private those kids are probably being told they're useless and unworthy, because they're not box-office champions.

by Anonymousreply 8408/27/2014

Don't blame Sofia Coppola for "Godfather 3". Her father pushed her into the role when Ryder fell out; maybe he was so far up his own ass that he thought he could direct an untrained person to a great performance, or maybe he just wanted someone who'd do what she was told.

Nepotism may have helped Sofia's career as a director, but she did quit acting rather than behave like a Gummer sister.

by Anonymousreply 8508/27/2014

R84 I think you are imaging what their lives are like.

by Anonymousreply 8608/27/2014

Thank you, Francis R81. I wonder why I thought that.

by Anonymousreply 8708/27/2014

*imagining

by Anonymousreply 8808/27/2014

MacKenzie Phillips - and talk about biting the hand that fucked you!

by Anonymousreply 8908/27/2014

The weirdest thing about Sofia Coppola's casting in TGIII is that there was no protest from the studio about it. The story goes that she was taking a shower when she received a call from her dad and two hours later she was already filming on the set. But aren't screen tests for such huge productions almost mandatory? Even Brando had to take one before being cast as Don Corleone. Maybe Coppola was such a big name back then that no one dared to doubt in him?

Come to think of it, the Coppola family functioned a lot like the Corleone family-once they had their man on the right position (Francis) he gave jobs to his dad, his sister, his daughter, his son, his sister's brats, his nephew Nicolas...All members of his dynasty were one-hit wonders (Talia Shire and Nicolas Cage faded pretty quickly, and Sophia hasn't had a hit movie in years) and were averagly talented at their best. I'm sure anyone who dared to defy Francis when he was still untouchable would wake up with a horse's head in his bed.

by Anonymousreply 9008/27/2014

Re: Angelina Jolie - She was such a knockout stunner she probably would have made it without having Jon Voight for a dad. Even if he really helped her get her foot in the door once, you can hardly say he's been responsible for the rest of her career.

by Anonymousreply 9108/27/2014

[quote]Re: Angelina Jolie - She was such a knockout stunner

I always thought she looked like a bug.

by Anonymousreply 9208/27/2014

r73/r87

Inventing the Abbots came out in 1997, Virgin Suicides in 1999. They both deal with dysfunction families, both had up and coming actresses (Liv Tyler and Kirsten Dunst, respectively). Both had up and coming male leads (Billy Crudrup, Josh Hartnett) Both were very well received by critics and audiences (although neither was a box office smash).

Confusing the two is not that strange.

by Anonymousreply 9308/27/2014

Angelina Jolie's career has a lot to do with finding a good plastic surgeon, botox injections and pimping her kids.

by Anonymousreply 9408/27/2014

"Back in the day Nic Cage could indeed act if he had a director who could rein him in, and also had a first-class body."

Agreed. I also agree about that awful woman in "Magic Mike." I think it's a very good movie overall, but I've heard lots of people badmouth it, and I think that's largely because of the unbelievably bad performance of that one "actress."

by Anonymousreply 9508/27/2014

R93, thank you, sweetie.

by Anonymousreply 9608/27/2014

R92 and R94=Jennifer Aniston

by Anonymousreply 9708/27/2014

The cast of Girls

by Anonymousreply 9808/27/2014

R92 You are gay, you don't get her.

by Anonymousreply 9908/27/2014

Watch "Peggy Sue Got Married" and you'll see how nuts Coppola got with his daughter. Casting her as the sister of Kathleen Turner and daughter of Barbara Harris and Don Murray -- so OF COURSE it makes sense when this ugly little big nosed Italian kid shows up in the family. Looking like absolutely NOBODY else.

I'm sure Wynona Ryder bowed out of that one too.

by Anonymousreply 10008/27/2014

R97

Celebitchy board is offline today sweetie?

by Anonymousreply 10108/27/2014

Funny thing is, Winona Ryder doesn't really look Italian, does she? Or was her dark hair enough?

by Anonymousreply 10208/27/2014

The latter, R102.

by Anonymousreply 10308/27/2014

Absolutely: Tori Spelling.

Tracey Ellis Ross, Diana's daughter

No one wants to mention Liza Minelli?

Tom Hanks's really ugly son Colin

The Kardashians

Michael Douglas

Patrick Wayne

Debbie Boone

Priscilla & Lisa Presley

Billy Bush

Melissa Rivers

by Anonymousreply 10408/27/2014

How did GOOP become Steven Spielberg's goddaughter? She was born in 72 when he was a no-name tv director. That little Jewish weasel sure got himself in with the Hollywood elite. What did he become her godfather while they were filming Hook? Anything to be accepted and to play the Hollywood system.

by Anonymousreply 10508/27/2014

r90, Coppola might have had a final say clause over casting. A lot of bullshit maneuvering can happen around it, but it is legally binding. Many A list directors have this; Coppola would not be a surprise.

Don't forget that the character also narrows the acting pool. Add to that availability and time constraints, and he might have had little choice.

I'm not defending him, but it's possible his hands were tied.

I've never forgiven him for destoying Apocalypse Now with bad casting. Sheen particularly ruined that fucking movie.

by Anonymousreply 10608/27/2014

[quote] OF COURSE it makes sense when this ugly little big nosed Italian kid shows up in the family. Looking like absolutely NOBODY else.

Aaron Spelling used to cast one dusky kid in all his WASP-o TV families.

Dad called it the Jew in the Woodpile.

by Anonymousreply 10708/27/2014

Speaking of Martin Sheen, he's to blame for the inexplicable omnipresence of Charlie Sheen.

Why that withered psychotic is still working is beyond me. There must be a deal with Satan involved.

by Anonymousreply 10808/27/2014

Neil Simon's ex wife Marsha Mason. Once they split up her acting career was finished.

by Anonymousreply 10908/27/2014

r108, that withered psychotic was the subject of a barely veiled blind item about a celebrity son who was a decent, nice kid until he was abused by the system. His father basically let him be exploited (implied abuse) until the son became an addict and a monster.

He also is a good actor when he's (relatively) sober, and can do drama and comedy. The latter particularly is considered hard to teach. You either have the timing or you don't.

The sympathy for his situation, and the fact he is talented enough to make people money, is why he's still around.

I think the public do sense there's a modicum of decency left, especially when he's sober.

This is his ice bucket challenge.

by Anonymousreply 11008/27/2014

Somewhere was the biggest pile of crap I have ever seen (along with Tree Of Life), Coppola is WAY overrated as a director. If she hadn't gotten Bill Murray for Lost in Translation that movie would not have worked. Sorry but SC is a joke.

by Anonymousreply 11108/27/2014

r111, in fairness, it might be just a case of a writer defending her work by directing it.

Sometimes that's the only way to ensure it doesn't get fucked with, especially in Hollywood.

by Anonymousreply 11208/27/2014

The only 2 SC films I've seen are Virgin Suicides and Lost in Translation.

Virgin Suicides was boring beyond belief.

Lost in Translation I found very enjoyable (especially the music), but I never saw it again after it came out and have no desire to. Still I thought I would love it more, at the time. Meaning craving to re-watch it.

All her other films never felt the urge to see any of them. Marie-Antoinette felt vaguely obligated but never made the effort.

by Anonymousreply 11308/27/2014

It could be. The dreamlike quality of her work would best be suited to music videos, IMO.

by Anonymousreply 11408/27/2014

[all posts by tedious, racist idiot removed.]

by Anonymousreply 11508/27/2014

Miss Coppola's career as a relevant and A-list movie director is pretty much over - her next project is "The Little Mermaid" starring Andrej(a) Pejic.

It's only a matter of time before she starts directing Bertolli commercials and music videos for hipster LA bands.

by Anonymousreply 11608/27/2014

You bitches need to get over Sofia already! She, like R116 said, is pretty much over. But now there's a 4th generation Coppola brat already making her way into Hollywood.

Meet Gia Coppola, a film director, screenwriter and actress. She's 27 but looks like she's in her early 40s.

by Anonymousreply 11708/27/2014

OUCH!

by Anonymousreply 11808/27/2014

That's 27? Shit. I'm 36 and I look fresher.

by Anonymousreply 11908/27/2014

The worst case of nepotism in Hollywood is all of the people we don't know by name who get the open jobs at the studios and production companies and opportunities in front of the camera or behind just because they know someone, are well connected, or are the offspring of someone famous. Instead of bringing people from outside of the system to reinvigorate it and contribute something knew, they turn inward, almost always. Anthony Minghella's daughter was a studio big shot before she was 30. Harvey Weinstein's extended family probably works with him. Malia Obama got a pa job on a Spielberg set with no film background whatsoever. The examples are endless.

by Anonymousreply 12008/27/2014

When Malia Obama expresses interest in being on your film set, what do you do? Send her home to work on her resume?

by Anonymousreply 12108/27/2014

r121, you politely decline and suggest another job, like in the production office, not on the set.

by Anonymousreply 12208/27/2014

Wasn't Jeffrey Katzenberg a major contributor to Obama's campaign?

Slightly OT.

by Anonymousreply 12308/27/2014

But Spielberg has made a career of being a kiss ass. So of course he would have the Potus daughter on his set. She's important and it makes him look good in the public eye.

by Anonymousreply 12408/27/2014

Nancy, Tina and Frank Sinatra, Jr.

by Anonymousreply 12508/27/2014

Gary Lewis, son of Jerry.

by Anonymousreply 12608/27/2014

Christina Crawford

by Anonymousreply 12708/27/2014

r124, if you're a power suck-up, sure.

But to answer r121's question, i.e. is there a way you keep it off the set while being politic, then r122 is the answer.

by Anonymousreply 12808/27/2014

Princess Lee Radziwill

by Anonymousreply 12908/27/2014

Luke Russert

by Anonymousreply 13008/27/2014

Gayle King

by Anonymousreply 13108/27/2014

allison williams jaden smith and his sister melissa rivers desi arnaz jr. gwenny benning gyllenhall(s) I would also nominate Julia Louis Dryfuss. whose family are zillionaires, always nice for an entry into show biz. any kardashian clint eastwood's children bruce willis' children

So many to choose from!

by Anonymousreply 13208/27/2014

It helps if your Jewish.

by Anonymousreply 13308/27/2014

Your Jewish what?

by Anonymousreply 13408/27/2014

I think anon meant

Gwynnie

the Gyllenhaals

Julia Louis-Dreyfus.

U spel gud, anon.

by Anonymousreply 13508/27/2014

R20,

[quote]Another big case: Lorraine Gary, the wife of entertainment executive Sidney Sheinberg, who got good roles in the Jaws movies and 1941 because her husband discovered Steven Spielberg.

But what ELSE did he do?

by Anonymousreply 13608/27/2014

Jesus of Nazareth

by Anonymousreply 13708/27/2014

A bazillion votes for any Kardashian.

by Anonymousreply 13808/27/2014

[all posts by tedious, racist idiot removed.]

by Anonymousreply 13908/27/2014

so true, R139, they are both terribly smug and of only ordinary talent

by Anonymousreply 14008/27/2014

In Maggie G's case, I think she is actually quite good in the few things I've seen her in. I've been watching The Honourable Woman and she's terrific in it. That face, however. It just does not film well from several (most?) angles. I don't think she's ugly, but she does not have the conventional good looks that most actresses are expected have. That is the obstacle nepotism helped her overcome. An equally talented actress with the same look but without the connections wouldn't get a glance from a casting director.

by Anonymousreply 14108/27/2014

Her acting was awful but Sofia Coppola is an amazing director. Just (finally) watched "Marie Antoinette" and it's gorgeous. Loved "Virgin Suicides" upon watching again. She has her own style and it works.

For some reason, the nepotism that felt most "down our throat" pushed was that Bryce Dallas Howard out of nowhere. Mainly because of that tired conceit that "nobody knew who she was" when they cast her, yeah, right, CAA repping this unknown and they didn't see her grow up around Daddy on the set. So disingenuous. She might be quite sweet (like her dad) but I never wanted to root for her because of that shit.

by Anonymousreply 14208/27/2014

I can't watch Maggie Gyllenhaal in anything. Her face looks like it's melting. I don't think she's that talented as an actress, either. I think her brother's fine, though.

by Anonymousreply 14308/27/2014

Whitney Houston.

by Anonymousreply 14408/27/2014

ummm miley anyone?

by Anonymousreply 14508/27/2014

Rob Reiner-thanks to dad

Penny Marshall-thanks to big bro

by Anonymousreply 14608/27/2014

What an odd little thread!

by Anonymousreply 14708/27/2014

R144 , Whitney Houston was many things but undeserving of her fame was not one of 'em. She was one crazy, coked-up bitch but let's face it...the gal could sing her ass off. Cissy & Aunt Dionne taught her well.

by Anonymousreply 14808/27/2014

Julia Louis-Dreyfus?? Are you INSANE? The woman is talented beyond belief.

by Anonymousreply 14908/27/2014

Rob Reiner owns this thread. I remember watching a profile on him on the Princess Bride extras and basically all they could say was: "he's a great director. He shows up on time, knows what we're going to shoot today..."

So basically he isn't a dick, and he's pleasant enough to work with.

Wow! Talk about vision!

That said, I enjoyed Misery. And I get that Princess Bride is the phenomenon that it is.

by Anonymousreply 15008/27/2014

I see nepotism everywhere, except in STEM-professions/hard-science, where actual skill/talent is crucial in order to do the job.

Even in the arts a lot of people are successful because they are well-connected (trust-fund kids starting rock bands, etc.).

by Anonymousreply 15108/27/2014

Actually, he's kind of famous for being a dick too. Hence, no Oscar nominations ever even when he made some popular films ("A Few Good Men" was up for Best Picture but he was ignored).

I knew him because he refused to guarantee an end date for Meg Ryan on "Harry and Sally" so she could do Shelby in "Steel Magnolias". So Julia Roberts was "born".

by Anonymousreply 15208/28/2014

If you've got more to spill, go right ahead, R152.

by Anonymousreply 15308/28/2014

If any one of you frigid queens even thinks about mentioning my name in this thread we'll discuss the matter privately in a calm, civilized manner in the elevator!

by Anonymousreply 15408/28/2014

Who are Julia Louis Dreyfuss' famous relatives?

by Anonymousreply 15508/28/2014

None, she just comes from a very wealthy family. Takes nothing away from her talent. The woman is funny, smart, gorgeous and is sexy too.

by Anonymousreply 15608/28/2014

Well that's not really nepotism then r156. It's privilege but not really nepotism.

(although she probably did only get hired for SNL because of her boyfriend now husband)

by Anonymousreply 15708/28/2014

From what I get mostly assholes have hiring power on SNL. And, agreed, that's definitely privilege and not nepotism.

Watching Veep and other Julia Louis-Dreyfus videos I have to wonder how much of a no-need-to-work you need to have to be able to deliver such consistently good performances, which are really out of the park.

by Anonymousreply 15808/28/2014

Director John Huston's progeny: Anjelica, Jack and Danny.

by Anonymousreply 15908/28/2014

R66 thanks for the insider gossip. I've wondered about Meryl's girls. Any more insider casting goss?

R158, I agree Julia Louis Dreyfus is great. And really attractive. She must have a small ego to go on Seinfeld and allow them to dress her like a total frump for over a decade when she had that killer body underneath. Anyway she's been consistently good in whatever she's been in. And she must do it for the love of acting since she's clearly never ever had to work.

by Anonymousreply 16008/28/2014

I don't mind nepotism if the offspring are in fact talented. The Smith spawn are NOT.

by Anonymousreply 16108/28/2014

r151 shut the fuck up you unemployed engineer piece of shit.

by Anonymousreply 16208/28/2014

Julia Louis-Dreyfuss, Whitney Houston, hell, even Maggie G., and Gwynnie all benefitted from nepotism, but also had the talent to take the opportunities they got instead of others and build their own bodies of work from them. As mentioned, it really is only a problem when the lucky relative is talentless and wholly undeserving. But everyone hires people they know over people they don't when they are in a position to do so, whether it be family or friends.

by Anonymousreply 16308/28/2014

Melanie Griffith is bad case of nepotism.

by Anonymousreply 16408/28/2014

[quote] thanks for the insider gossip. I've wondered about Meryl's girls. Any more insider casting goss? [quote]

r66 here, I can add a few thoughts.

First of all, I am always surprised when I talk to people outside the industry about casting.

Many people seem to think that any actor can simply audition for anything and the "best" actor gets the job.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

In order for actors to be seen for a project, to even be considered by the creative and producing team they have get invited by the casting directors.

Every speaking role in a film, television or play is a highly coveted prize that many people want.

Agents represent actors and pitch their clients to us for the specific project we are working on.

Getting seen, getting an appointment for a project can be [and often is] very, very difficult for an actor to do.

Young actors who have no credits and no experience and no immediately marketable look or characteristic have an almost impossible task securing an agent and an even bigger hurdle when that agent has to pitch their client to me to get them in the door.

This means unfortunately some talented people fall through the cracks. If I see someone I think is special I try to find ways to bring them in if I think there is a chance the decision could go their way OR if I think the producing/creative team will be glad they saw them for future projects.

Bottom line for casting: YOU MUST BE ABLE TO DEFEND EVERY DECISION, THAT IS, YOU MUST HAVE A GOOD REASON FOR BRINGING IN EVERYONE YOU PUT BEFORE THE TEAM.

Some of this is CYOA. If the team doesn't like someone you brought in you can say "well she just did an arc on Grey's" or "we brought him in for Ang Lee and Ang said he was the best actor he had seen in a long time"

OR we might have to say "she is so and so's daughter, wife, etc" Everyone understands this. Let me put it this way: NOBODY would ever for a second question your decision to bring one of Meryl's kids in the room even though they don't deserve the chance and someone much better is not getting that chance.

The reason for this is that the industry is run on favors and ego as much as it is on talent and business acumen. Favors and ego, those are two hot pieces of currency.

The thinking varies but to make the point, in the case of Meryl's kids. Producers and creatives are interested in them for one of two reasons: The first and foremost is Meryl is one of the few actors that gives a production the prestige factor that many ego driven producer crave. They think if they hire her kid, they are currying favor with the big girl herself and thus they have a chance of working with her. Or so the thinking goes.

The other line of thinking goes: Whoever can get a good performance out of one of them, will have Meryl's undying gratitude and will be more likely to feel indebted to that producer/director and work with them.

Let me be clear: Meryl's daughters are nice, intelligent well behaved girls but they are not, by any definition at the level where they should be booking ANY job or having ANY agent let along getting prime jobs and being represented by CAA. It is just ludicrous.

Jane Fonda once said to me that she used to tell people somewhat defensively that her famous lineage "got her in the door" but "the rest was up to her" With a laugh she told met that years later when she finally realized GETTING IN THE DOOR IS 99% of the battle, she understood why people rolled their eyes when she made that remark.

Nepotism works when it benefits talented people. It hurts the industry when it benefits those who should be in another business because it takes the slot away from someone genuinely deserving.

by Anonymousreply 16508/28/2014

Ronan Farrow - a broadcasting bore with no personality

by Anonymousreply 16608/28/2014

Ronan Farrow is indeed probably the worstcase today.

by Anonymousreply 16708/28/2014

[R165] And Ms Fonda wonders why people hate her. It's not just her politics. She is just clueless.

Thanks for the insights.

by Anonymousreply 16808/28/2014

If you "hate" Jane Fonda, it is likely you're a tea-bagger; otherwise she's just another dippy actress. Why do you always try to hide it?

by Anonymousreply 16908/28/2014

Meryl's daughters are nice, intelligent well behaved girls

haha best line all day

And I am sure they are. They just seem to be in the wrong line of business. They'll figure it out.

by Anonymousreply 17008/28/2014

Is Kate Hudson really so bad? I enjoyed her performances in 200 Cigarettes and Almost Famous.

by Anonymousreply 17108/28/2014

I want to hear more insights from our casting director at r165. The behind the scenes stuff is very interesting to me.

by Anonymousreply 17208/28/2014

Yes, we want more stories from R165. Or just a general look at the working of things.

These are also useful in other lines of business.

Thanks so much!

by Anonymousreply 17308/28/2014

A bad trickle down of multiculturalism is nepotism.

Seen now everywhere.

by Anonymousreply 17408/28/2014

R165 = David E.

Always recycling the same story

by Anonymousreply 17508/28/2014

Yep, the freeper has arrived, seeing the same boogeyman everywhere. He'll be ranting about Jews and Ferguson any minute now, because they're all "connected" to Hollywood, nepotism, and everything he doesn't have and won't ever have in his pea brain. Hate and envy dressed up as a political point of view.

by Anonymousreply 17608/28/2014

Paris Hilton, Nicole Richie, etc.

by Anonymousreply 17708/28/2014

Tori and Randy Spelling own this thread.

by Anonymousreply 17808/28/2014

Lon Chaney, Jr. His "career", no doubt helped along by him being a legacy, went practically nowhere.

by Anonymousreply 17908/28/2014

r165 here.

[[quote] And Ms Fonda wonders why people hate her. It's not just her politics. She is just clueless.Thanks for the insights. [quote]

Just want to clarify r168, the anecdote about Jane is actually favorable, not an example of her being "clueless"

Fonda is a genuinely talented intelligent woman who did benefit from nepotism and she knows it.

She realized after a few years in the business how much of an advantage she actually had. It was a "wow was I ever naive and stupid" type of comment she made, not clueless.

Also, Jane in her youth was one of the most stunning women you could imagine. My old boss said she was breathtakingly beautiful in person and perfect for the 60s / 70's look.

If people have specific questions about casting I will try to answer, but I need to remain anonymous.

Oh and LOL I am NOT David E

by Anonymousreply 18008/28/2014

yes R165/180 Jane Fonda was stunning beautiful in the 1960s /1970s. Her father had gorgeous eyes but she was jaw-droppingly beautiful.

by Anonymousreply 18108/28/2014

How about The Kardashians, one rather boring fuck tape begat that talentless dynasty.

by Anonymousreply 18208/28/2014

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by Anonymousreply 18308/28/2014

Jane Fonda is STILL pretty damn good-looking. She's aged incredibly well (or has has very good work done) and is always styled (hair, makeup, clothing) beautifully.

by Anonymousreply 18408/28/2014

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by Anonymousreply 18508/28/2014

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by Anonymousreply 18608/28/2014

Re: rich people's children

Isn't Stark Sands the offspring of bazillionaires?

Talented guy, apparently hard-working and amiable, and not entirely difficult on the eyes

by Anonymousreply 18708/28/2014

Agreed. Just realizing now she makes me think of Léa Seydoux a little.

by Anonymousreply 18808/28/2014

Melissa Rivers.

by Anonymousreply 18908/28/2014

Probably already said, but my take:

Jaden Smith is Numero Uno

Tori Spelling

Melissa Rivers

The Kardashians

Nancy & Tina Sinatra, Frank Sinatra Jr

Lorna & Joey Luft

Paris Hilton & Nicole Ritchie

Goop

Kate Hudson

Sophia Coppola (as an actress), Nic Cage (although his early work was good, he's out to lunch now)

Ronan Farrow

Undefined gender Bono

by Anonymousreply 19008/28/2014

Allison Williams.

by Anonymousreply 19108/28/2014

Jaden Smith is VERY attractive. As soon as he's legal I will openly lust after him and choke DL with Jaden threads. Just wait.

by Anonymousreply 19208/28/2014

KELLY OSBOURNE!

by Anonymousreply 19308/28/2014

Not Hollywood, and not nepotism -- family business stuff, which is different:

Philippine de Rothschild dies at 80; grande dame of Bordeaux wine

Philippine de Rothschild, an energetic and self-certain grande dame of Bordeaux wine who halted an acting career to run vineyards owned by the family dynasty, has died, her company said. She was 80.

(That lot seems to be okay -- no crazies or druggies...)

by Anonymousreply 19408/28/2014

Stuffing children in roles/positions seems to have started relly taking off in the 80s.

by Anonymousreply 19508/28/2014

I don't think I've seen Rumer Willis come up yet. I can't imagine her getting work without connections. She isn't just not classically beautiful, her face is distractingly odd.

I was listening to a WTF podcast and a writer talked about getting fired so Regis Philbins daughter could have his assistant job at SNL. She went daddy's show and said she wanted to work on SNL, so they fired the unconnected guy to make room for princess. That seems pretty egregious to me.

by Anonymousreply 19608/28/2014

Melissa Rivers

by Anonymousreply 19708/28/2014

R90, I think the studio wanted the guaranteed $$ that would come with a GF sequel so badly that they were willing to let Coppola cast his daughter. FF Coppola resisted making a third film for years.

Also, Ryder bowed out within days of production starting. You can't just stop a production that size from filming at that stage, the costs would be astronomical. The scheduling headaches would be a nightmare. Why they didn't just fly over Julia Roberts or someone else on the short list is a mystery, but still.

At least Sofia had the sense not to continue trying to act.

by Anonymousreply 19808/28/2014

Cooper Endicott, son of Melissa Rivers.

by Anonymousreply 19908/28/2014

I think most nepotism cases eventually find their own level. The ones with talent, like Liza, Jane Fonda, and yes, GOOP, will be able to thrive. But, I doubt we'll hear much from the studio head's daughter who was in Magic Mike again because she was so awful. Rumer Willis hasn't really become successful, either, she's just known for being a famous daughter.

by Anonymousreply 20008/28/2014

R102, she looks like she could be the daughter of non-Italian Kay (Diane Keaton) and Italian Michael (Al Pacino). The character would not have been fully Sicilian, so Ryder's softer features and dark coloring would have been perfect. Supposedly more of the story of GF3 revolved around her character, but once Sofia was cast the part was cut way down.

by Anonymousreply 20108/28/2014

Fuck you, R159, Anjelica Huston is a GODDESS.

by Anonymousreply 20208/28/2014

Jaden Smirh is a hideous actor.

by Anonymousreply 20308/28/2014

Angelina Jolie. She can't act worth shit. Don't get me started on her fucked up blackula accents either.

by Anonymousreply 20408/28/2014

Jaden is legal in most of Africa, the Arab world and Planet $cio.

by Anonymousreply 20508/28/2014

Sean Penn's son and daughter. Both are trying to make it as actors/models.

by Anonymousreply 20608/28/2014

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by Anonymousreply 20708/28/2014

Since this is a Hollywood thread, I need some help --

How much can we get to let them use the outside of my Mom's house for an amazon show webisode?

by Anonymousreply 20808/28/2014

R158, JLD is not especially talented, she is playing Elane in Seinfeld, Old Christine, Veep, and the short lived NBC show with the clock or timer in it's title. This is not deep breathtaking knock your socks off acting; it's just tv sitcom stuff, very vanilla. I also find her odd looking, kind of like a witch.

I am sure she is nice...why wouldn't she be? No problems or worries when you are a mega zillionaire.

Seinfeld was a one note show, annoying and does not hold up, seems very dated now. It was okay but not the end all and be all it was made out to be.

Let the queens come ahead with their bitching.

and I will add that Jane Fonda is TIRESOME.

by Anonymousreply 20908/28/2014

R209, I think you're way off about Julia Louis-Dreyfus. She is very, very funny--that's why she's won five Emmys. I think even the bits she does at awards shows (such as with Bryan Cranston the other night) are funny.

by Anonymousreply 21008/28/2014

R210 I found this Emmy show the worst of any I ever saw. Nothing was funny, it all seemed written by drunken teens who think they are just too funny. The host was the worst since Ellen, who has that dull dumb smirky aren't I funny sense of humor.

Guess I am allergic to the mainstream.

by Anonymousreply 21108/28/2014

Julia Louis-Dreyfus is a once in a generation comedic actress talent. She was extraordinary on Seinfeld, incredibly inventive and plain funny. Look how she played being stuck on the subway or hating The English Patient or getting rabies or getting revenge on the Soup Nazi. She was the MVP of that show, and it's clear now that she has continued to great acclaim while the other's careers have fizzled. On Veep, you would think that it would be same old same old with her, but it really isn't. She bounces off her cast wonderfully and leads a fantastic ensemble. That woman knows comedy.

by Anonymousreply 21208/28/2014

[quote]Lon Chaney, Jr. His "career", no doubt helped along by him being a legacy, went practically nowhere.

I thought marrying Liza would be my ticket to stardom. I thought, "why not? It worked for Peter Allen!"

by Anonymousreply 21308/28/2014

Desi Arnez Jr. and Lucy Arnez

by Anonymousreply 21408/28/2014

Linda Kaye Henning, is an example of nepotism in the classic TV era. Her father Paul Henning was a producer who created The Beverly Hillbillies and Petticoat Junction, which Linda was cast in. Gossip back then was that her Petticoat Junction co-stars hated her because she got some storylines changed to suit her character.

by Anonymousreply 21508/28/2014

She was also the only "daughter" who kept her part throughout the run of the series. Several actresses played each of the other two daughters.

by Anonymousreply 21608/28/2014

I imagine a lot of the Rin-Tin-Tins and Lassies were related to one another in some way.

by Anonymousreply 21708/28/2014

A tad of topic, but Luke Russets just blows. Outrageous that this 22 year old out of BU got a DC network correspondent job. The political press corps basically admits they do nothing of substance and do not matter by hiring this kid.

by Anonymousreply 21808/28/2014

R180 Slightly off topic (maybe someone could start a new thread?) how do Scientologists get so much work?

by Anonymousreply 21908/28/2014

They usually join quietly after they have a big hit that puts them on the map. They become the cash cow for the Scientology.

I dont think there are many new ones signing up these days. But when I lived in Hollywood, they were buying up property everywhere.

by Anonymousreply 22008/28/2014

Dear R209, I am guessing you have never acted professionally nor been on any production in your life. JLD is an excellent comedic actress, her timing and her instincts are impeccable. From having seen her in the romantic film Enough Said with the late James Gandolfini (also an exceptional actor), I can also guess she would be a very good dramatic actress. My guess is comedy has been more her interest so far.

I can only imagine you are trolling.

Veep is hilarious. She was the best (the only good thing?) about Seinfeld, which, granted, was itself unwatchable, at least here (Europe).

To anyone who has yet to know the brilliance of Julia Louis-Dreyfus, see collection of clips below.

by Anonymousreply 22108/28/2014

What R212 said.

And now I have to track down that English Patient bit.

by Anonymousreply 22208/28/2014

Out of all the actors who've made it (become a recognisable name) what percentage do you think are related to someone else in the business?

by Anonymousreply 22308/30/2014

Interesting how Sean Penn, Bruce Willis, Michael Douglas, Belinda Carlisle, and their somewhat equally famous spouses made a pointed publicized move to raise their kids outside of Hollywood, only to have their spawn skip higher education and try to make it as actor/model/DJ/whatever.

by Anonymousreply 22408/30/2014

R223, we've been over this subject before, and the vast majority of modern celebrities have family members in the entertainment business. Even B-listers like the Gylenhalls and Kristen Stewart are the children of people who work behind the scenes.

by Anonymousreply 22508/30/2014

I think Maggie Gyllenhaal is a decent actress and Jake has been ok in a few things. There are some good actors who mostly work in TV who are children of people who worked behind the scenes. Katey Sagal's father was a director and he was close friends with Norman Lear. While Katey didn't become well known until Married With Children, she probably had an easier time in Hollywood than other people because of connections and she probably understood the business better.

Troian Bellisario from Pretty Little Liars is the daughter of writer and producer Donald Bellisario, who created several TV shows. She guest starred on some of his shows before landing on ABC Family. Her last name probably helped her. She is a decent actress and she usually gets more praises than her co-stars.

Emily and Zooey Deschanel are ok actresses in my opinion. Their father was a director and their mother was an actress who did mostly TV work here and there. The mom's most well known was playing Lara Flynn Boyle's mother on Twin Peaks.

by Anonymousreply 22608/30/2014

I'm not first to say this, but one more time: its a crime that Luke Russert is employed in the job he has. Its the perfect example of the emptiness of Washington "journalism" - he's perfect for reporting on who's up and who's down in the cool kids game, though.

by Anonymousreply 22708/30/2014

The worst case is actually Nick Kroll. He not only used his fathers connections but he's intent on being a businessman and has propped up the careers of some of today's least talented comics.

by Anonymousreply 22809/06/2014

I DON'T REALLY KNOW

That's the most sincere answer one could give, don't you think?

by Anonymousreply 22909/06/2014

Frankie J. Grande!!!

by Anonymousreply 23009/06/2014

[quote]I see nepotism everywhere, except in STEM-professions/hard-science, where actual skill/talent is crucial in order to do the job.

Not since pre-packaged computer programs were released to do all the work.

Nothing worked better to make engineering a haven for nepotism and identity like NASTRAN and other such computer software.

by Anonymousreply 23109/06/2014

Betty and Slappy White

by Anonymousreply 23209/06/2014

Matt Bomer. Not the worst case but the best case.

by Anonymousreply 23309/06/2014

Butterfly and Steve McQueen.

by Anonymousreply 23409/06/2014

someone just posted her name here. Kelly Osbourne. People with 100 times the talent struggle to make ends meet.

by Anonymousreply 23509/06/2014

ARG! Julia L Dreyfuss trolls or her agents are posting on here!

She is okay, nothing more, no comic genius, no great beauty, no wonderful timing etc. Better than the current gen of SNLers who truly have no talent and yes that's Amy and Tina and Kristin (ho hum.)

and that is true about nepotism except in the hard sciences--those careers take some actual brains.

by Anonymousreply 23609/06/2014

R236, do enlighten us about who the comic geniuses are.

by Anonymousreply 23709/07/2014

Kartrashians

by Anonymousreply 23809/07/2014

Vadge has been posting lots of kiddie pics lately, I am waiting for Rocco & co to be foisted upon the public.

by Anonymousreply 23909/07/2014

r236 I like tha Christine show , and she is far from a bad actress. As for beauty I think shes hot as hell especially I hr 50s. gets my dick hard

by Anonymousreply 24009/07/2014

Thank you for that, R236, I thought I was the only one who thought that way.....I just done get JLD, either!

by Anonymousreply 24109/07/2014

George Clooney wins this thread, not Jaden Smith.

by Anonymousreply 24209/07/2014

Yes, R242, Rosemary Clooney was huge in the 1990s.

by Anonymousreply 24309/07/2014

Nepotism doesn't bother me, because it exists in every field. How the hell do you think Rand Paul got into medical school? And the Kennedys into Harvard?

by Anonymousreply 24409/07/2014

worst case by far is Nick Kroll from the League.

by Anonymousreply 24510/11/2014

Hollywood accounting is a Byzantine morass of kickbacks and fraud

Insiders know this and school their kids on how the game is played

Studios can take the children of stars and make them into new stars knowing they won't rock the boat

by Anonymousreply 24610/11/2014

[quote]Luke Russert just blows. Outrageous that this 22 year old out of BU got a DC network correspondent job.

Luke Russert's (not particularly attractive) face is the very emblem of nepotism, R218. There's something very wrong in the world now, and he proves it with every syllable he issues forth.

by Anonymousreply 24710/11/2014

Nepotism? What would my kids do without it

by Anonymousreply 24810/11/2014

Not to mention your husband

by Anonymousreply 24910/11/2014

Or ex-husband

by Anonymousreply 25010/11/2014

My kids look like potatoes, what would you do?

by Anonymousreply 25110/11/2014

Chloe Lattanzi is the prime example that two attractive people will not have beautiful offspring. That unfortunate girl, who wasn't ugly, turned herself into a plastic surgery nightmare. She didn't get any of her mother's singing talent or charming personality, either.

She can't top the Smith offspring or the Willis spuds or the Kartrashians.

by Anonymousreply 25210/11/2014

Angelica Huston. Where's the poster who claimed she was head of some coven and wielded power over all of hollywood?

by Anonymousreply 25310/11/2014

Matt Lattanzi was so hot, R252, I could almost forget he was married to the world's worst singer.

by Anonymousreply 25410/11/2014

Angelica Houston is a very good actress, R253.

That's the thing about Hollywood - it's so insanely competitive that even if you have great family connections and real talent and fuck the A-list... you can STILL spend most of your career on the B-list!

by Anonymousreply 25510/11/2014

He was never married to me, R254.

by Anonymousreply 25610/11/2014

Nepotism is alive and well throughout all professions. Frankly, it seems that one is far less likely to find an undeserving family-connected movie industry professional than an undeserving family-connected plumber, cop, doctor or lawyer.

by Anonymousreply 25710/11/2014

[quote]Frankly, it seems that one is far less likely to find an undeserving family-connected movie industry professional than an undeserving family-connected plumber, cop, doctor or lawyer.

Yeah, it just seems that way.

by Anonymousreply 25810/11/2014

The Noll brothers.

by Anonymousreply 25910/11/2014

That hack m night shymalamadingdong

by Anonymousreply 26010/15/2014

[quote]Nepotism doesn't bother me, because it exists in every field. How the hell do you think Rand Paul got into medical school? And the Kennedys into Harvard?

George W. Bush is an even better example.

Rand Paul's politics suck, but he's fairly intelligent. The Kennedys were all bright.

by Anonymousreply 26110/15/2014
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