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How Many American Men Are Gay?

This question is notoriously difficult to answer. Historical estimates range from about 2 percent to 10 percent.

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by Anonymousreply 285January 25, 2020 5:09 PM

I'd say 1%

by Anonymousreply 1December 9, 2013 9:47 PM

Grindr and gay porn-sites and hook-up sites get tons and tons of traffic, but yep, those are all straight guys, and gays make up 1% or less....

by Anonymousreply 2December 9, 2013 9:51 PM

I like the well reasoned estimate that author gives of 5%. It is also really interesting to see his data about how much openness is determined by whether you live in a liberal or conservative area. Very striking differences there.

by Anonymousreply 3December 9, 2013 9:55 PM

10 percent of men are gay.

by Anonymousreply 4December 9, 2013 10:08 PM

There are 1,234 gay American men.

We all know each other and we all read the Datalounge.

by Anonymousreply 5December 9, 2013 10:14 PM

I thought the article was fairly well reasoned, so I go the 5% number. If 5% for the female population is gay, that would make 10%--the number that has been speculated for years.

by Anonymousreply 6December 9, 2013 10:14 PM

Um r6, that's not the way percentages work.

by Anonymousreply 7December 9, 2013 10:15 PM

I don't think the number of men who are strictly gay is the same percentage as women who are strictly gay.. I doubt we'll ever get an accurate calculation though.

by Anonymousreply 8December 9, 2013 10:21 PM

Ten percent say they are gay,judging from all the internet activity/male escorts/tricking, thirty percent really are.

by Anonymousreply 9December 9, 2013 11:12 PM

Suck a cock as well as I do and you'll know the answer is ALL OF THEM.

by Anonymousreply 10December 9, 2013 11:16 PM

conservatively - 2 out of every 5 men you meet are gay. Ladies: no such thing as bisexual men. if they say they are bi, they are gay so run the other way or you are in for STDs or worse, and heartbreak.

by Anonymousreply 11December 9, 2013 11:19 PM

It's very difficult to ascertain the true percentage of gay people in society, among other things because many people refuse to answer honestly to surveys, due to fear of judgement, exposure or internalized homophobia.

The 10% figure was given by Kinsey, and it has always been said that this was overstated. Possibly a 5% of gay people is a more reasonable estimate than the exaggerately conservative 1%. Still, the percentage of bisexual people might be higher. On top of that, people who engage in same sex acts but refuse to identify as gay or bisexual might even be higher. With rampant societal prejudice against same sex attraction, however, it's very unlikely that true figures will ever be obtained.

by Anonymousreply 12December 9, 2013 11:23 PM

All of them, Katie.

by Anonymousreply 13December 9, 2013 11:25 PM

i repeat: you can pretty much bet that every 2 of 5 men you meet are gay. If your man wants you to use a vibrator on him...g-a-y.

by Anonymousreply 14December 9, 2013 11:28 PM

Just like my guns: More than I need, but not as many as I want.

by Anonymousreply 15December 9, 2013 11:45 PM

My gut says 3-5%.

by Anonymousreply 16December 9, 2013 11:47 PM

Based on your gut? Not very scientific or precise.

by Anonymousreply 17December 9, 2013 11:49 PM

For R17:

[quote]This question is notoriously difficult to answer. Historical estimates range from about 2 percent to 10 percent.

Lacking my own research institution, and given the "notorious difficulty" in measuring this statistic, I think weighting in with my opinion on a Datalounge thread is a pretty okay option.

by Anonymousreply 18December 9, 2013 11:52 PM

Nobody really knows. I think 5% of men identify as gay. Another 5% are closeted. Another 10% have tried it from time-to-time. Some only as adolescents, some later in life and some both.

by Anonymousreply 19December 9, 2013 11:52 PM

I would say 25-30% of all men are gay, bi, or heteroflexible. This is based on my many, many slutty experiences -- at the gym, in public parks, online... There are SO many men who have girlfriends or wives or who identify as straight who are also gettin' down with dudes on the side. It never ceases to amaze me.

I've heard the exaggerated claim that 80% of all people are bisexual. Some days I believe it.

by Anonymousreply 20December 10, 2013 5:22 AM

My crystal ball says, 3% of men are card carrying gays. The percentage for women came in at 3% for card carrying vagitarians. that would mean about 3% of the entire adult population carries cards.

The closet population for males is 4% but only 2% for wimmen. The grand total is 6% of the adult population is smoking pole and licking tail. My crystal ball is never wrong. I surreptitiously had it blessed in Vatican Square and I shouldn't have to tell you, it was unbelievably uncomfortable.

by Anonymousreply 21December 10, 2013 5:36 AM

Given attitudes towards homosexuality, it seems perfectly reasonable that the % is higher than measured. And R17, it could very well be that R16 gut has its own way of measuring depending on how receptive and welcoming its orifice has been.

by Anonymousreply 22December 10, 2013 10:41 AM

Between 7 and 9%

by Anonymousreply 23December 10, 2013 11:10 AM

4.9834672%

by Anonymousreply 24December 10, 2013 11:24 AM

.000001%. Even guys who say they are gay really love vagine in actuality. They just might not know it. No man can resist it in the end.

by Anonymousreply 25December 10, 2013 11:33 AM

I'd say around 5% of people identify as gay. A lot of openly gay men live in urban settings, so for those of us who live in, say, NYC, the percentage would seem much higher. I agree there is a healthy percentage of guys who don't identify as gay but who have sex with guys on the down low.

by Anonymousreply 26December 10, 2013 11:36 AM

Openly gay.

And, what about the percentage of closeted gay men?

I never trust these polls, there always seems to be an agenda attached to them.

by Anonymousreply 27December 10, 2013 12:28 PM

I used to be really naive and think that "gay men" were only a small percentage of the population. But like someone else said, a lot of married men are complete sluts and I found this happens once they turn about 40. It's like some switch goes off in their brain that makes them perma-horny. So I don't think we'll ever know the true number of American gay men.

by Anonymousreply 28December 10, 2013 12:37 PM

It's never going to be able to be accurately measured because you would need a world where homophobia does not exist, since that's never going to happen, there will always be people unwilling to be honest about their orientation.

If such a world did exist, I think at least 1 in 5 would be LGBT.

by Anonymousreply 29December 10, 2013 12:46 PM

The stigma and hostility anout homosexuality is so great and widespread that it is difficult to accurately determine the number of gay and bisexual people. Also, how do you define this identity? Bisexuality also needs to be defined because some mainly heterosexual people have infrequent attractions to the same sex. How about people with same sex attractions that never act on them? Right now, most people with same sex attractions don't act on them or just plain dont want to identify as gay. This poses a huge obstacle to measuring the population accurately.

by Anonymousreply 30December 10, 2013 12:50 PM

I agree with [R20] based on personal experience. Actually I would put the number a bit higher.

by Anonymousreply 31December 10, 2013 12:51 PM

Too hard to know the honest answer to this. There remains only 10% who admit it but that number just doesn't add up.

What is honestly the definition of gay? Are you gay if you act on an attraction to someone of the same sex? Are you gay simply based on that attraction? Are you avoiding admitting you are gay by claiming to be bisexual because you fuck pussy and only fantasize about "some" men? The truth is we are all sexual beings and most men would fuck a fender if it felt good as long as there wasn't someone telling him God will burn his ass in hell or there isn't some real stigma involved in it.

Guys know but unless you've got valid proof ( video, photos ) most guys fighting it, hiding it, not acknowledging it are never going to admit to it. The most common answer these days is..I don't like labels.

The only way to honestly find out who's gay, leans gay, fights being gay, is to have the ability to hear each mans thoughts as you pass by him and he's checking out his surroundings. Many guys still believe if you don't act on it then you are not gay. They tell themselves they are just allegedly evolved to a higher cooler level in their cute mind fuck telling themselves it's just a mutual bro admiration but it's not like they'd ... you know, actually do him cause that's gross cause God or jesus or some fucked up soul decided a long time ago it was.

If that whole thing about gaydar could actually prove to be completely legit many straight, dating, engaged, married women would sit back stunned at what most guys are thinking and craving.

When you live in a dorm setting, play a team sport, with the same sex one of the funnest things to do is just sit back and watch the eye's.

Remember the days before the internet? Every town large or small had plenty of area's where you could go to get a fix or at least toy with the idea of getting that fix.

I came from a pretty small conservative community and played every game of denial. BUT every night from around 5:30 pm to 12:00 am there was gridlock at a secluded park with so much action it was more active than the nearest gay club about 35 miles away.

The largest percentage of men were married, military ( there was an air force base close by ) Horny college frat boys, high school jocks most who had all the girls they wanted but instinctively were pulled toward cock and their own perception of a hot man.

The list goes on and on down to the loathsome closet case living a conservative straight life to the point they sit on church and religious boards who's plight it is to constantly clean the city of all it's perversions. So, are they gay? Bi?

I'm inclined to believe the truly straight male is the lowest percentage and not because as a gay man I fantasize about that.

by Anonymousreply 32December 10, 2013 1:32 PM

r32, far from 10 percent say that they are gay or bisexual. In fact, in recent polls, only about 3 or 4 percent of Americans identify as bisexual or gay. Numbers in the UK are even smaller.

by Anonymousreply 33December 10, 2013 1:44 PM

Many problems -

-What is defined as gay?

-How the polling is done, who is polled (age-wise this is significant), and how comfortable people feel to reveal their sexuality (are they even comfortable to accept it to themselves).

by Anonymousreply 34December 10, 2013 3:28 PM

Throw in men on the Down Low and I'd say the number of men who're open to a "guy stuff" would be more like 25% - 30%.

by Anonymousreply 35December 10, 2013 4:25 PM

I can personally vouch for about 150.

by Anonymousreply 36December 10, 2013 4:38 PM

Also, what do researchers do with the significant number of respondents that refuse to answer sexual questions or who respond that they don't know the answer? Likewise, what do you conclude about the people who answer "none of the above" to the sexual orientation question?

by Anonymousreply 37December 10, 2013 4:49 PM

10 percent of the population = gay

80 percent of the population = bisexual

10 percent of the population = straight

Now, if these people acknowledge their sexuality is another topic.

by Anonymousreply 38December 10, 2013 4:56 PM

Yes, but can someone create a Venn diagram of the subset of gay + bisexual men who are also hawt?

These are the stats we really care about.

by Anonymousreply 39December 10, 2013 5:13 PM

and the sizeable percentage of men who don't think they can be gay because they are masculine, love sports, and don't know about gay culture.

by Anonymousreply 40December 10, 2013 5:15 PM

For R39,

40% are 2hot2bebelieved 60% are 2hot2bestr8

by Anonymousreply 41December 10, 2013 5:16 PM

Oprah said it was 1 in 5, so that makes it 20%.

by Anonymousreply 42December 16, 2013 1:03 PM

bump

by Anonymousreply 43February 10, 2014 8:04 PM

Haven't met a gay man yet!

by Anonymousreply 44February 10, 2014 8:11 PM

Where the hell do you live, r44?

by Anonymousreply 45February 10, 2014 8:17 PM

I would say 2-5% of the adult population is OPENLY gay. I couldn't even begin to estimate the number of adults who are bi, questioning, unsure, curious, identify as straight but had had same-sex encounters, or identify as straight despite sleeping exclusively with members of the same gender. If you add up all of these subpopulations, the number is well into double digits.

by Anonymousreply 46February 10, 2014 8:29 PM

I'd like to see a sexual orientation survey done that polls only the 17% of Americans that identify as non-religious. Seems like 17% of 300 million is a large enough sample size to determine accurate percentages of LGBT populations. Non-religious people shouldn't have as much of a problem acknowledging their sexual preferences.

Didn't the Kinsey surveys conclude about 10% of men but only 5% of women are homosexual?

by Anonymousreply 47February 10, 2014 8:33 PM

There's a little gay in all of us, OP.

by Anonymousreply 48February 10, 2014 8:35 PM

r47, the 10% turned out to be an overestimate. People throw that percentage around, but it's really not accurate.

by Anonymousreply 49February 10, 2014 8:48 PM

I agree with #20. Totally Heterosexual Men are probably about 60% of the male pop.

by Anonymousreply 50February 10, 2014 8:52 PM

Fair enough, r49. Though I wouldn't be surprised if it's true that there are about twice as many gay men as their are lesbian women. Seems that lesbians have a really small dating pool no matter where you go.

by Anonymousreply 51February 10, 2014 8:53 PM

I'd say about 75%, r50.

by Anonymousreply 52February 10, 2014 8:58 PM

R38 and R46 have given the most accurate estimation so far imo

by Anonymousreply 53February 10, 2014 9:00 PM

1/3 gay, 1/3 straight, 1/3 in the middle.

Wait a few years until people feel more comfortable being honest, and the figures will change radically.

by Anonymousreply 54February 10, 2014 9:01 PM

I've lived in two capital cities and one major city all with long established gay communities and even so, the percentage of out and proud gay men has been very low - no more than 3 - 5% of the population at the very most from my experiences socially, at work and as a college student.

by Anonymousreply 55February 10, 2014 9:06 PM

I presume most of you did not even read the linked article. Your responses are just idiotic. Talking about polling and polling methodology is kinda stupid when you know what methods he used to arrive at his estimate.

by Anonymousreply 56February 10, 2014 9:33 PM

[quote]conservatively - 2 out of every 5 men you meet are gay

What world are you living in?

by Anonymousreply 57February 10, 2014 9:39 PM

[quote]80 percent of the population = bisexual

And yet I've never met an actual bisexual male before.

by Anonymousreply 58February 10, 2014 9:43 PM

Lol you've never met an OPENLY bisexual man, that's a big difference.

by Anonymousreply 59February 10, 2014 9:49 PM

So all 80% are closeted? What are the odds!

by Anonymousreply 60February 10, 2014 9:53 PM

Way too many closeted to tell.

by Anonymousreply 61February 10, 2014 9:54 PM

People here don't realize how good others are at hiding homo/bisexual feelings. I'll compare it to another social taboo: masturbation. It's even more controversial than homosexual feelings yet it's an open secret that practically EVERY man and certainlu lots of women are practising it throughout their whole lifes. And yet vast minority talks about it. Homoerotic feelings are juust as easy to hide, because, first of all some people don't give into such people and secondly, there is no way to find out if they do cause unlike heterosexual affairs which can result in a child there is no visible result of homosexual unions.

by Anonymousreply 62February 10, 2014 9:54 PM

Masturbation is more controversial than homosexual feelings? It's official...I'm living in a parallel universe from you people.

by Anonymousreply 63February 10, 2014 10:00 PM

Very tough to guestimate even using surveys. Lots and lots of people are in denial to themselves or are too afraid/shamed to tell the truth even if it's an anonymous survey. I know that I have not felt comfortable and have declined to answer sexuality questions on surveys sometimes (not always though; it depends).

There is also a huge problem with the definition of gay/bi/straight. Like, if you've had sex or a relationship with the opposite sex, does that mean you're not gay? Lots of people, especially closet cases, do that.

by Anonymousreply 64February 10, 2014 10:05 PM

Masturbation is not nearly as controversial as homosexuality. The church doesn't even scream about it being a sin anymore because they know it will alienate and piss off the majority of their flock that do it.

by Anonymousreply 65February 10, 2014 10:07 PM

Well yeah how many times do you see this topic in media and pop culture(except porn) or people talking about it. How about homosexual issues? Much more popular and yet LGBT people are supposedly so rare? Bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 66February 10, 2014 10:07 PM

my best guess, based on my unscientific sampling of peen, combined with a lifelong refining of my gaydar, says at least 10% of man are truly gay and completely uninterested in the vagine, whether they admit it or not. if you add in bi, bicurious, and just plain old horny and hetereoflexiable, that number would more than double to about 25%.

sexuality IS fluid. just look at prisons and sailors.

by Anonymousreply 67February 10, 2014 10:08 PM

No way is it anywhere near 10%. I can see how you may think that if you live in a large city, but that is in no way representative of the population at large. A better indication would be this: What percentage of people you graduated high school with turned out to be gay? For me, it's about 2.5% (and we had more females turn out gay than males). And in a way, the gay world is like high school all over again--everyone knows everyone. I only have 120 or so friends on Facebook, most of them gay and from all different parts of the globe. Yet more times than not, I'll find I have (gay) friends in common with them from a totally different state or even country! What are the odds of all these guys knowing one another if a full 10% (700 million) of the earth's population was gay?

by Anonymousreply 68February 10, 2014 10:50 PM

All the ones I have had sex with ~

by Anonymousreply 69February 10, 2014 10:53 PM

R68, you're not accounting for the closet cases though. It's still very hard for a guy to come out as gay.

by Anonymousreply 70February 10, 2014 10:54 PM

so funny that everyone has opinions or quotes old studies that were impossible to verify or be accurate about. If a stranger claiming to be a pollster called your home in 1980 and asked if you were gay, would you admit it? Even in 2014 there are tons of closet cases. But we now have the first big study of online habits--we can figure out gay or bi numbers by the porn that men watch and some other factors.... Look up the New York Times article by Seth Stevens-Davidowitz. Great DATA based on anonymous google searches.

And the number appears to be about 5%.

by Anonymousreply 71February 10, 2014 11:46 PM

Or, R71, just click on the link in the OP's post.

Jesus fucking Christ.

by Anonymousreply 72February 11, 2014 12:04 AM

I believe that, given a culture in which normal sexual development is not stymied, about 75% of men would have had same-sex sexual experience by adulthood, and 10% would remain primarily with male partners through their lives.

Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if the percentages would be similar for women, except perhaps with a higher percentage of women having sex with both sexes.

After all, even in our sick and stultifying culture, 37% of men in the Kinsey studies reported same-sex experience of some kind. (I continue to have concerns about the generalizability of those findings, but expect they point to the likelihood of majority flexibility in sex experience, especially through young adulthood.)

by Anonymousreply 73February 11, 2014 12:12 AM

I'm 46 and went to a religious school for boys, with a total of 25 in my HS graduating class. Of those 25, two (including me) are openly gay. Two never married but identify as straight. There was a girls school as well. Fifty girls in that graduating class, with one openly gay. Since this was a religious school, no telling how many are gay but are living a hetero life because of their religious upbringing.

by Anonymousreply 74February 11, 2014 12:31 AM

Those who openly identify as gay? 5% maximum. The closeted and curious probably much higher.

by Anonymousreply 75February 11, 2014 12:32 AM

25-35% it's a different world today than even ten years ago.

by Anonymousreply 76February 11, 2014 12:49 AM

[quote]25-35%

Delusional.

by Anonymousreply 77February 11, 2014 12:52 AM

Sadly, MOST gays and lesbians are closeted due to the flamers and butches

by Anonymousreply 78February 11, 2014 12:54 AM

As was mentioned upthread, many of live in urban areas, which tend to have larger gay populations than other types of areas. I live in NYC and work on the creative end of an ad agency, and so many people I come into contact with on a daily basis are gay. That can definitely skew your perception. Logically speaking, the percentage of people totally out is probably around 5-6%.

by Anonymousreply 79February 11, 2014 1:00 AM

r79, yeah all flamers

by Anonymousreply 80February 11, 2014 1:04 AM

10-15% are totally gay. Another 25% are bisexual. So, 40% of American men are gay or bisexual. Girls, you better keep an eye on your man ... 'cause chances are, he's got his eye on a man, too!

by Anonymousreply 81February 11, 2014 1:07 AM

r80, this is a predominantly gay board. Why would you post something so insulting, not to mention ignorant?

by Anonymousreply 82February 11, 2014 1:07 AM

R81, delusional crap!!! Most men just like most women, will choose to spend their life with a member of the opposite sex

by Anonymousreply 83February 11, 2014 1:09 AM

I think it is so funny that some gay people really want to believe like 25-30% of people are gay. Wishful thinking is clearly a powerful thing.

Around 5-10% are gay or bisexual. That's just reality.

by Anonymousreply 84February 11, 2014 1:09 AM

Oh and flamers do not represent the majority of out gays??

by Anonymousreply 85February 11, 2014 1:09 AM

A handful of gay marriage states and they're pushing those closet doors open a crack.

by Anonymousreply 86February 11, 2014 1:12 AM

That's true, r83. Doesn't mean they won't fuck around behind their wifey's back though!

by Anonymousreply 87February 11, 2014 1:12 AM

I honestly don't think it's more than 5 percent, which is sad. It's magnified by cities because so many of us move.

by Anonymousreply 88February 11, 2014 1:12 AM

Indeed 88

by Anonymousreply 89February 11, 2014 1:13 AM

What difference would it make if they did, r85? What do you resent them? Do you seen qualities in them that you're absolutely terrified of seeing in yourself?

by Anonymousreply 90February 11, 2014 1:14 AM

"Around 5-10% are gay or bisexual. That's just reality."

That's just bullshit. There are WAY too many guys on the downlow skulking around to say 5-10%. That's crazy talk. OK, maybe saying 40% were gay or bi is a little high, but I'd still go with 33%. About one in three guys will have sex with another guy if they're horny enough. And that's a bisexual (and a whore), darlin's.

by Anonymousreply 91February 11, 2014 1:14 AM

[quote]About one in three guys will have sex with another guy if they're horny enough

Whatever lets you go to bed happy sweetie. But its not true, in your heart I'm sure you know that.

by Anonymousreply 92February 11, 2014 1:16 AM

LOL r91.. They end up with women!!! you just get the milky loads

by Anonymousreply 93February 11, 2014 1:17 AM

r91, you can't be serious. You actually believe 1 in 3 guys would have man-man sex under the right circumstances?

by Anonymousreply 94February 11, 2014 1:17 AM

Please bitch @ R92. Go bead or scrapbook or something. You're not wanted here, frau. Begone!

by Anonymousreply 95February 11, 2014 1:18 AM

42.

by Anonymousreply 96February 11, 2014 1:18 AM

"You actually believe 1 in 3 guys would have man-man sex under the right circumstances?"

Absofuckinglutely. Are you a straight woman, BTW?

by Anonymousreply 97February 11, 2014 1:19 AM

Uh huh...33% are secretly gay, and let me guess--they all want you?

by Anonymousreply 98February 11, 2014 1:21 AM

Haha, I hate to disappoint you but I am a gay guy. Just a realistic one.

I don't need to imagine more men are secretly gay. I accept most people are straight but fuck them and I've managed to be quite happy with finding the ones who are gay so far.

by Anonymousreply 99February 11, 2014 1:21 AM

No, I'm a gay man, and 33% is totally inflated. If there were so many men on the down low and fucking around on women, then HIV would've exploded in the straight world in the western hemisphere. For that reason alone, I can't believe one third of all men are fucking other men. That's just not logical.

by Anonymousreply 100February 11, 2014 1:23 AM

Yeah HIV is the scarlet letter for male on male sex

by Anonymousreply 101February 11, 2014 1:26 AM

In the linked article, the author estimates that 'gay migration' from less tolerant areas to more tolerant areas changes the gay population by only 0.1 percentage points.

You all really should read the linked article before you comment.

by Anonymousreply 102February 11, 2014 1:27 AM

I'd say 5% is a fair figure - gay and active bi.

by Anonymousreply 103February 11, 2014 1:28 AM

So you're saying that New York City has propotionally the same number of gay men as some tiny farm town in Iowa? Get real.

by Anonymousreply 104February 11, 2014 1:30 AM

proportionally

by Anonymousreply 105February 11, 2014 1:32 AM

Being gay is a disgrace to most people's mind

by Anonymousreply 106February 11, 2014 1:33 AM

That's not what I'm saying, R104, that's what the author's analysis says.

Which kinda trumps your anecdotal estimate, I'd say.

by Anonymousreply 107February 11, 2014 1:51 AM

Just because he's an "author" doesn't mean his guesstimation is any more accurate than the shit we're reading on this thread.

by Anonymousreply 108February 11, 2014 2:32 AM

What r4 said. The percentages work with any random group of men.

by Anonymousreply 109February 11, 2014 2:36 AM

"If there were so many men on the down low and fucking around on women, then HIV would've exploded in the straight world in the western hemisphere. For that reason alone, I can't believe one third of all men are fucking other men. That's just not logical.

30 years ago, they weren't acting on it. They are now though...

by Anonymousreply 110February 11, 2014 2:40 AM

r110, even 100% of gay men are not screwing each other.

by Anonymousreply 111February 11, 2014 2:41 AM

I would say about 15% of American men are gay.

I would also say that at the very least 35% of the American male population is part of the LGBT community.

America the gay?

by Anonymousreply 112February 11, 2014 2:42 AM

r110, well delusional one, expect a virulent drug resistant form of HIV or worse

by Anonymousreply 113February 11, 2014 2:42 AM

I believe 10 % of women are gay, but the feminine ones usually beard up or marry some poor straight dude

by Anonymousreply 114February 11, 2014 2:44 AM

That's already starting to happen, R113.

by Anonymousreply 115February 11, 2014 2:45 AM

i mean how does one count people like the gays in congress, aaron schock, linsday graham, et al. they won't admit to being card-carrying homosexuals, even though (at least in aaron's case) they've had more cocks in their mouths than most street corner hookers.

by Anonymousreply 116February 13, 2014 3:14 AM

LOL, R116 ty!

by Anonymousreply 117February 13, 2014 3:23 AM

link please, r116.

by Anonymousreply 118February 13, 2014 3:25 AM

[quote]I would also say that at the very least 35% of the American male population is part of the LGBT community.

Oh, my sides!!!

by Anonymousreply 119February 13, 2014 3:27 AM

If we include partnered men on the Down Low, I'd say 25 - 34 percent.

by Anonymousreply 120February 13, 2014 3:32 AM

A lot of delusional posters on this thread.

by Anonymousreply 121February 13, 2014 3:39 AM

[all posts by tedious, racist idiot removed.]

by Anonymousreply 122February 13, 2014 3:43 AM

I think at least a third of all men are gay/bi, including closet cases partnered with women.

by Anonymousreply 123February 14, 2014 3:40 AM

Definitely there are more closeted or unproclaimed gay or bi dudes than openly so. In fact, most gay/bi men are in denial or repressed about it to themselves, and will never have a same-sex experience.

by Anonymousreply 124February 14, 2014 2:47 PM

Agreed. Probably around 5% openly gay, another 10-15% bi/married/closeted/confused/questioning/curious.

by Anonymousreply 125February 14, 2014 2:56 PM

I'm from a very 'gay friendly' Euro country and even here (openly) gay men are a rarity. I'd say in Northern Europe between 0.25-0.5% of the men are gay.

by Anonymousreply 126February 14, 2014 3:19 PM

I second R122

by Anonymousreply 127February 14, 2014 3:21 PM

10%, max. More likely, 5-8%. That's still a very large number

by Anonymousreply 128February 14, 2014 3:25 PM

Yes, the more interesting question - which can never be fully answered - is how many men - gay / straight / bi / whatever they want to classify themselves as - actually have sex with other men (or even sexual contact of some type), either regularly or occasionally (6x a year, 1x a year). I truly believe that percentage would be eye-opening.

by Anonymousreply 129February 14, 2014 3:26 PM

In 2013, the National Health Interview Survey asked respondents their sexual orientation for the first time, creating an important new opportunity for understanding the health of well-being of people who identify as gay, lesbian, and bisexual (LGB) across the country.

The number of people who self-identified as LGB for the survey was notably lower than other studies have found. Only 1.6 percent identified as gay or lesbian and another 0.7 percent identified as bisexual. Because this reflects how a person self-identifies and not necessarily their behavior and relationships, it may not be an accurate portrayal of how many LGB people there actually are. Moreover, this was the first time the survey invited respondents to identify their sexual orientation, and some may not have felt comfortable doing so honestly for a questionnaire that asked other personal questions about their health and lifestyle.

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by Anonymousreply 130July 15, 2014 2:44 PM

Could the publicity over LGBT rights and issues be keeping more people in the closet and depressing gay identity?

by Anonymousreply 131March 3, 2015 9:45 AM

Most are closeted or in denial

by Anonymousreply 132May 1, 2015 12:58 PM

Not scientific R130. The total is clearly 30% of men under 30 and over 20.

by Anonymousreply 133May 3, 2015 8:22 PM

Measures have been difficult to determine because of those who are in denial or closeted. That group may actually exceed the numbers that are admittedly gay. 6% is a early, conservative estimate. 10% is moving upwards with Kinsey. Some later studies have suggested as high as 16.5%. In USA, men who have had at least one gay sexual experience, not necessarily all defining themselves as gay, ranges from at least a quarter of the male population to a maximum of one third the male population.

by Anonymousreply 134May 3, 2015 8:47 PM

R134, very few to none studies today have suggested anything near that high. The respected Williams Institute has aggregates modern studies and reported that the number identifying as Gay/Bi averages around 3 percent.

by Anonymousreply 135May 3, 2015 8:59 PM

R133, your estimation is not scientific

by Anonymousreply 136May 3, 2015 9:15 PM

That gay porn makes up about 20% of traffic engine searches of porn speaks to a higher percentage of gayish men..

by Anonymousreply 137May 3, 2015 9:26 PM

r137 is hitting the bottle hard.

by Anonymousreply 138May 3, 2015 9:28 PM

R137, perhaps, or that gay and bi men disproportionately watch porn

by Anonymousreply 139May 3, 2015 9:32 PM

Really, because I read that 5% of google porn searches are for gay stuff

by Anonymousreply 140May 3, 2015 9:34 PM

R138 is a scared frau, upset that her husband didn't quite erase his gay porn Google search history.

by Anonymousreply 141May 3, 2015 9:35 PM

Right R139, gay men get more actual gay sex, period.. poor straight schmucks are the ones that have to resort to porn in lieu of actual sex..

by Anonymousreply 142May 3, 2015 9:36 PM

As I said, r141 is drunk off his ass.

by Anonymousreply 143May 3, 2015 9:36 PM

This thread is littered witg straight fraus giving their "expert" opinion on male sexuality..

by Anonymousreply 144May 3, 2015 9:38 PM

R139 speaks the truth. No judgments, but gay/bisexual men (closeted or out) probably consume a lot more porn than straight men, simply because they can (no disapproving wife or girlfriend).

by Anonymousreply 145May 3, 2015 9:40 PM

I eat my husband's shit straight from the tap.

by Anonymousreply 146May 3, 2015 9:41 PM

It need to be broken down into subcategories.

How many American men identify as gay and are generally out of the closet?

How many American men identify as gay, but are generally closeted?

How many American men have sex exclusively or almost exclusively with men whether they identify as gay or not?

How many American men have had substantive sexual experiences with other men, even if the have consistent sexual interaction with women? (Sort of the "bi" question).

While I consider all of these above categories "gay" to a certain degree, how you ask the question affects the answer.

I guess you could add:

How many American men have had any sort of sexual interaction with other men, even if a single time. That would be fairly large number.

by Anonymousreply 147May 3, 2015 9:43 PM

How man openly gay men identify as straight on census-like bureaus, R147. There were two douche bags on this site who said they did.

by Anonymousreply 148May 3, 2015 9:45 PM

R140 - Christian Rudder confirms that number in his Dataclysm Who We Are*. That 5% number is pretty consistent across the entire United States. The number just applies to people searching for gay male porn. No similar data is available for Lesbians - because so many straight men search for woman on woman porn.

by Anonymousreply 149May 3, 2015 9:54 PM

What do these polls reflect?

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by Anonymousreply 150May 3, 2015 10:01 PM

Take a random group of men who have not ejaculated in several days, place electrobes on their penises, measure the blood flow/erections while watching all gay porn, I'd bet a third of them get a sustained hard-on.

by Anonymousreply 151May 3, 2015 10:03 PM

What about these numbers? They seem to change, especially regarding the U.S. 10% on some and 7-8% on others.

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by Anonymousreply 152May 3, 2015 10:14 PM

What's your point r151? That one third of men out there can potentially marry you ? Enough with the delusional bullshit.

Even if some sex starved man jacks off to gay porn it wouldnt equate with him being gay in the least. Stop being so fucking desperate.

by Anonymousreply 153May 3, 2015 10:39 PM

R153. You make false assumptions with bitterness. Obviously you are the one sexually deprived with your projections. Get yourself a dildo and suck on it sweety.

by Anonymousreply 154May 3, 2015 11:42 PM

2-3%

by Anonymousreply 155September 1, 2019 7:56 PM

I believe it’s probably 1%-3%. Then there are a lot of guys that slip and slide back and forth and can’t make up their minds.

by Anonymousreply 156September 1, 2019 8:12 PM

So many men these days claim to be bisexual instead of gay. Of course, many of those men are lying through their teeth.

by Anonymousreply 157September 1, 2019 8:26 PM

“sexuality IS fluid. just look at prisons and sailors.”

R67, sailors don’t prove that sexuality is fluid. They prove that “come work at sea where you’ll be surrounded by fit, hardworking men with no women in sight for weeks or months at a time” is a job description that’s more attractive to gay men than straight!

by Anonymousreply 158September 1, 2019 8:53 PM

We won't know for sure until the stigma is eliminated completely in every community that makes up any given country in which you're asking this question. Which won't happen during our lifetimes. Perhaps you could approximate based on results from super tolerant countries like The Netherlands or Norway. I'd guess 15%.

by Anonymousreply 159September 1, 2019 9:30 PM

We should do a survey here then put out a survey saying 85% of men are gay.

by Anonymousreply 160September 1, 2019 10:02 PM

I would guess the more "gay" gets conflated with the trans agenda, the fewer men attracted to men are willing to identify themselves as such.

by Anonymousreply 161September 1, 2019 10:52 PM

The analysis done by the author is convincing because it does not rely on self-reporting.

by Anonymousreply 162September 2, 2019 12:15 AM

In nyc it is at least 50 percent. Too many flaming queens.

by Anonymousreply 163September 2, 2019 12:20 AM

There are more trans than gay.

by Anonymousreply 164September 2, 2019 12:31 AM

A good 20% are attracted to cock in some way I would say.

by Anonymousreply 165September 2, 2019 12:33 AM

Conservatives want to have it both ways. We're only .0000001% of the population, yet the average gay man has 452,561,211 same-sex partners in his lifetime. If there are so few of us, who are we having all this sex with?

by Anonymousreply 166September 2, 2019 12:52 AM

Shut the fuck up, PPSM @ R161.

by Anonymousreply 167September 2, 2019 12:53 AM

In the real word: 10% On House Hunters International: 95%

by Anonymousreply 168September 2, 2019 1:46 AM

In San Francisco, the gayest place on the planet, where people move cause they are gay and no one is in the closet, percentage of LGBT is around 20%. And that's with bisexuals, trans people etc. To think that percentage of gay people is 10-20% or even more, is absurd. I say it's no hight than 4% And I am being generous.

by Anonymousreply 169September 2, 2019 8:21 AM

GAY is different than men who have sex with men.

I think the percentages of men who have sex with men vary worldwide but the number is huge.

by Anonymousreply 170September 2, 2019 8:33 AM

Everyone hold your breath, John Nash at R169 has stated his mathematical boundaries!

by Anonymousreply 171September 2, 2019 9:23 AM

I think a lot of guys who think of themselves as straight would give some man on man a try if there was no stigma. That's why the stigma is there and conservatives know it. Why else would these bible thumpers get so worked up and worried? A hole is a hole.

by Anonymousreply 172September 2, 2019 9:44 AM

I would say 10%. at least.

by Anonymousreply 173September 2, 2019 9:55 AM

5% tops. Do you think there is a same amount of gay women or are they a smaller group?

by Anonymousreply 174September 3, 2019 8:23 AM

2050 called. It says 40%, the rest bi.

by Anonymousreply 175September 3, 2019 10:48 AM

I know it's been almost 6 years, but oh my fucking DEAR @ R6.

by Anonymousreply 176September 3, 2019 11:16 AM

Real numbers:

Gay: 20 I% Bi, to one degree or another: 60% Straight: 20%

Heteronormativity is enforced as a means to subjugate women and non-conforming men. Welcome to the Patriarchy!

by Anonymousreply 177September 3, 2019 11:18 AM

Everyone's a little gay when there isn't a woman around.

by Anonymousreply 178September 3, 2019 12:04 PM

I recall 30 years ago as a Psych major studies showed gays were about 5% - 8% gay, with perhaps another 10% bisexual.

by Anonymousreply 179September 3, 2019 11:58 PM

R177 You think there are as many gay people as there are straight? You are beyond delusional.

by Anonymousreply 180September 4, 2019 8:09 AM

Heteroflexibles abound, gay not as much.

by Anonymousreply 181September 7, 2019 9:57 AM

10 percent or more.

by Anonymousreply 182September 7, 2019 10:02 AM

R182 not counting closet cases, downlow types and dudes that think a hole is a hole....

by Anonymousreply 183September 7, 2019 10:12 AM

forgot the tranny chasers think they are “straight” as well

by Anonymousreply 184September 7, 2019 10:13 AM

5% gay, 5% bi

by Anonymousreply 185September 7, 2019 10:21 AM

The answer is 20% and it's been confirmed multiple times, OP.

by Anonymousreply 186September 7, 2019 11:12 AM

I'd say 33% are gay/bi.

by Anonymousreply 187September 7, 2019 11:26 AM

Don’t forget everyone who says “They don’t like labels.” They’re all gay too!!

by Anonymousreply 188September 7, 2019 11:33 AM

So if Americans aren't gay, why is the gay pride parade the biggest or second biggest parade in every city in the country?

by Anonymousreply 189September 7, 2019 11:49 AM

OK

In the Washington DC business office I worked at until last year, just over 15% of the 50 men were clearly gay (dating, partnered, flaming). My gaydar could only identify a few of the 60+ women (<5%).

Sine I left, of the remaining 42, mostly married, “ straight” men, a good friend has had DL sex with one and another just came out.

So that’s about 1 out of 8 that I know of.

by Anonymousreply 190September 7, 2019 12:09 PM

R189 cause half of people there are straight. And bunch of "bi", "queer", whatever young girls.

by Anonymousreply 191September 7, 2019 11:46 PM

Bump

by Anonymousreply 192September 11, 2019 9:06 AM

"In the Washington DC business office I worked at until last year, just over 15% of the 50 men were clearly gay (dating, partnered, flaming). My gaydar could only identify a few of the 60+ women (<5%)."

Washington has a high % of gays.....if you did a survey of co-workers in bumfuck it would probably be different

by Anonymousreply 193September 11, 2019 5:28 PM

White men are probably higher in percentage of gayness followed by east Asian men. Just my straight female prospective.

by Anonymousreply 194January 16, 2020 9:03 PM

I'd say just under half. It's kind of silly to think that gay men only make up 5% of the male population when you think about our numbers. False statistics about gays aren't uncommon either.

by Anonymousreply 195January 16, 2020 9:08 PM

Ok, the pic of that guy they used for the article. WTF.

by Anonymousreply 196January 16, 2020 9:33 PM

I wonder if it fluctuates over time in response to things like climate change?

by Anonymousreply 197January 16, 2020 9:48 PM

So far, about 198.

by Anonymousreply 198January 16, 2020 9:51 PM

THE ACHA-NCHA Survey is done every year with college students at a range of public and private colleges of varying sizes across the country. In spring 2019 the sample size was 68,000 college students.

In this sample:

36% of males have had no sexual partners (anal, vaginal or oral sex) in the last year 8% of males reported they had had a male sexual partner in the last 12 months 13% of males identified as a sexual orientation other than heterosexual. This 13% breaks down to 6% gay, 4% bisexual, 1% asexual, 1% pansexual, and 1% questioning / unsure

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by Anonymousreply 199January 16, 2020 11:09 PM

R194 Actually all the surveys show that the highest number of lgb people are Latin (I know it's not a race), then black, followed by Asians and whites are the last, making the smallest percentage.

by Anonymousreply 200January 17, 2020 8:26 AM

Without society making homosexuality a bad thing I'd estimate 15 - 25 % would be comfortable to identify as gay. Another 25% for identifying as bisexual.

by Anonymousreply 201January 17, 2020 8:31 AM

R201 You are beyond delusional. Huge majority of humans are straight. Bis abd especially gays are a tiny minority.

by Anonymousreply 202January 17, 2020 11:30 AM

R201, don’t say that kind of stuff in pillbox. People will think you’re cray cray

by Anonymousreply 203January 17, 2020 11:35 AM

R199 Queer people have higher levels of education, so obviously the numbers or non-straight people is gonna be a lot bigger than they would be if the survey was done among general public

by Anonymousreply 204January 17, 2020 11:37 AM

Ladies there is no such person as R11.

by Anonymousreply 205January 17, 2020 11:38 AM

Yes, but how many are in the closet and won't admit it? How many more people came out after it was legalized?

Because there was a time in college I would NEVER admit I had any inkling of being gay, especially not to a person sampling a survey even if they tried to assure me it was anonymous.

by Anonymousreply 206January 17, 2020 11:46 AM

That college survey greatly underrepresented African Americans, greatly overestimates Asians.

by Anonymousreply 207January 17, 2020 11:47 AM

Yes, college students are not typical of the average American. It’s also typicAlly a much more liberal environment than middle America.

by Anonymousreply 208January 17, 2020 11:49 AM

In my opinion about 10% admit to being gay. Upwards of 25% really are gay or at least partake occasionally.

by Anonymousreply 209January 17, 2020 11:50 AM

We have all these big threads on this topic, including current surveys, yet someone makes a new thread instead of adding to preexisting ones?! Smh

by Anonymousreply 210January 17, 2020 11:59 AM

10% openly gay

15% Gay but in the closet

70% Bisexual to different degrees

5% Have no Homosexual tendencies.

These studies are useless since they only take into account those that are willing to identified as gay [bold]to them[/bold].

by Anonymousreply 211January 17, 2020 12:01 PM

5%. Most men are not bisexual. This is just a fantasy of some men on DL.

by Anonymousreply 212January 17, 2020 12:25 PM

Heteroflexible....90%

by Anonymousreply 213January 17, 2020 12:26 PM

[quote] 5%. Most men are not bisexual.

They actually are. Most men experience same sex attraction. It is the degree and frequency that is varies.

by Anonymousreply 214January 17, 2020 12:32 PM

In complete privacy, show American men aged 18-29 a picture of Henry Cavill and ask them if they would have a fuck with him, in complete confidentiality. That is the percentage that should be counted as "gay".

I think young men are often open to sex with male beauties even if they aren't gay gay.

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by Anonymousreply 215January 17, 2020 12:52 PM

R215, give it up dude

by Anonymousreply 216January 17, 2020 12:53 PM

R209 1/4 of men aren't gay. WTF? 15 percent of men, at the most, are not straight. That includes both gay and bi, including bisexuals that prefer women. Yes, they exist. Do posters that come up with such crazy numbers as 1/4 or 1/2 also believe that a quarter or half of the women are gay?

by Anonymousreply 217January 17, 2020 1:19 PM

That kind of crackpot babbling makes gay men seem insane and desperate.

by Anonymousreply 218January 17, 2020 1:22 PM

R215 he looks like a mannequin in that picture. Then again, a lot of men and women go for that look, so more power to them i guess.

by Anonymousreply 219January 17, 2020 1:27 PM

Bump

by Anonymousreply 220January 17, 2020 2:17 PM

If one in five people are gay then I'd say 40% of males are gay or at least bi or bicurious.

by Anonymousreply 221January 17, 2020 4:44 PM

R215, that's wishful thinking

by Anonymousreply 222January 17, 2020 4:49 PM

"All of the good looking ones....okay, but they probably experimented when they were younger."

by Anonymousreply 223January 17, 2020 4:53 PM

HALF!

by Anonymousreply 224January 17, 2020 4:55 PM

An study with self proclaimed 100% straight men done years back showed that most of the men in the study exhibited higher degrees of sexual excitement when viewing gay porn showed to them than when they viewed straight porn.

by Anonymousreply 225January 17, 2020 5:06 PM

Bogus ⬆️

by Anonymousreply 226January 17, 2020 5:12 PM

R225’s observation actually makes sense. Guys of all orientations are obsessed with musculature today, and it’s clear that straight guys like seeing big dicks in porn. If the two actors in the study’s video were hung, masculine studs like a Bel Ami duo, then perhaps the imagery produced some combination of lust and envy in the study participants.

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by Anonymousreply 227January 17, 2020 5:27 PM

I think 33% ( a third) of all men are gay/bi. Of course if sampling NFL players and car mechanics would yield lower figures than Hollywood actors and hairdressers, keep that in mind.

by Anonymousreply 228January 17, 2020 5:28 PM

Best educated estimate is somewhere between 4 and 6 percent.

by Anonymousreply 229January 17, 2020 5:33 PM

This thread explains why there are so many people here who make ludicrous assertions that so many celebrities are really gay. Smh

by Anonymousreply 230January 17, 2020 5:47 PM

If you want to vacuum up as many guys into the pool as possible, then you’re better off looking for bisexual or sexually fluid males. Just because guys get excited looking at two muscular studs in porn doesn’t mean they actually want to hop in a committed relationship with another man. So the percentage who are fully gay might be small, but the number of men who possess some modicum of sexual attraction to other men is certainly far greater.

by Anonymousreply 231January 17, 2020 6:02 PM

r230, acting and showbiz attracts a higher percentage of gay/bibm Ed n than sports. The gossip is usually right.

by Anonymousreply 232January 17, 2020 6:18 PM

R232 Did you just said gossip is usually right?? You mean once in a blue moon

by Anonymousreply 233January 17, 2020 6:33 PM

[quote]Best educated estimate is somewhere between 4 and 6 percent.

That's not an educated guess. It's wishful thinking. Seeing as we don't know how many gay men are in the closet, it is impossible to know. Let alone guess that it is as low as 6%.

Male homosexuality is probably ingrained in men. It's part of the dynamic of male interaction.

by Anonymousreply 234January 17, 2020 8:11 PM

r232, and very few actors become famous or celebrities, and those who do, tend to be very conventionally masculine and manly. This is even More acute today in an age when many of The biggest stars are former athletes or even hip hop artists. Yes, some might be gay, but to portray today’s big male actors as having the same persona as drama students is incorrect. Heck, even today’s drama students aren’t necessarily very “gay.”

by Anonymousreply 235January 17, 2020 8:31 PM

Surveys and "gut feelings" are unreliable. But no one can fake their internet searches, and an analysis of Google data shows that approximately 5% of the US population searches for gay porn.

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by Anonymousreply 236January 17, 2020 10:17 PM

Yes, and I'm another poster who did not click on the original link, sorry . . .

by Anonymousreply 237January 17, 2020 10:18 PM

Someone should re-frame this question as, “how many men have had gay sex?” as opposed to how many “are gay?” Huge difference.

by Anonymousreply 238January 17, 2020 10:23 PM

Actually R234, the percent is based of a fairly accurate set of datapoints.

I managed a list of 230 million individuals/88 million households for my former employer, who asked if I could reliably determine how many LGBT individuals/households existed for marketing purposes.

Some LGBT publications will allow their subscriber lists to be matched against another list using a 3d party datacenter. If a match was made, selected subscriber data was appended to the other list. We did exactly that using tight and loose parameters. The tight (exact) match was 4%, the loose match was 6%.

by Anonymousreply 239January 17, 2020 10:30 PM

The best pollsters and researchers today ask questions about sexuality in multiple ways. There is a huge discrepancy between self-identity, behavior, and attractions. We know that a large percent of people who have same-sex experience or attraction do not identify as gay or even bisexual. We also know that gay identity is hugely stigmatized and maligned in society and all but a very brave and self-assure openly take it as a personal identity. At the same time, a growing segment of people are acknowledging samesex interest Without identifying as gay.

by Anonymousreply 240January 18, 2020 3:06 AM

R234 6% is low? Are you high?

by Anonymousreply 241January 18, 2020 3:54 AM

If you can find a more accurate percentage range based on credible evidence R241, I'm all ears.

by Anonymousreply 242January 18, 2020 6:41 PM

[quote]But no one can fake their internet searches, and an analysis of Google data shows that approximately 5% of the US population searches for gay porn.

This tells you nothing. What percentage of the US population searches for straight porn? I know it won’t be 95% because many Americans don’t search for porn at all.

Also, what would the percentage be if you removed women and children? Much bigger than 5% of men.

by Anonymousreply 243January 18, 2020 9:03 PM

The 5% figure is pretty consistent everywhere

by Anonymousreply 244January 18, 2020 10:49 PM

Not as many as Datalounge maintains.

by Anonymousreply 245January 18, 2020 10:52 PM

Do you all live in San Francisco if you think that percentage of gay men is higher than 5-6%? And do you also think percentage of lesbians is that high as well

by Anonymousreply 246January 18, 2020 11:06 PM

^ The percentage of lesbians is smaller than the percent of gay men, but bisexual women outnumber bisexual men

by Anonymousreply 247January 19, 2020 12:30 AM

What percent of men have been groped by Kevin Spacey?

by Anonymousreply 248January 19, 2020 12:33 AM

r231 How much greater would you say?

by Anonymousreply 249January 19, 2020 12:54 AM

This wikipedia page has some research links to back up numbers but a lot of it is fairly old. Some interesting info based on location and age.

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by Anonymousreply 250January 19, 2020 1:11 AM

"Being gay" is a construct that doesn't equate with human behavior and experience when it comes to coming up with a simple single datum describing the American male population.

Nearly 50% of men report having had same-sex sexual contact in which an ejaculation occurred. Homosexual behavior among men is not just an effect of inner traits that remain consistent over a lifetime. Young men in adolescence with high sexual drives, close in-group relationships and little access to young women often have sex with other males. Even with predominantly heterosexual males the specifics of these experiences can form later sexual experiences. Heterosexual men also can fetishize, project or objectify what gayness or homosexual behavior means to them and obsess about it as taboo, appropriately punishing, an opportunity to control or to engage in non-entangling release.

Likewise, men who would otherwise score high on proclivity scales for homosexuality may not or may never have acted on them, because of social and cultural norms,

Also, there is not merely one profile for men who we would generalize as being "gay." If the criteria are based solely on ongoing or predominant sexual behavior, we lose some of the cultural, psychological and situational expressions of gayness. Not to mention the impact of the predicament and power of transgression, "otherness," specialness or relative freedom that often adheres.

Finally, while the majority of end-scale heterosexual males likely never would consider homosexual activity regardless of opportunity or lack of access to women, how many in-their-being gay men live lives without actual homosexual behavior.

As an aside, the consideration of online pornography usage in setting a 5% estimate makes some sense, but it is crude and has many problems, including the presence of bisexuals, the use of gay porn by women, comparative frequency (not to mention compulsivity) among online porn users, and the fact that many people, even those with active libidos and access to online sources, do not use porn. So the sample comprises "those who visit pornographic sites, of which 5% visit gay sites," or something like that.

Most importantly, in an open, equitable, compassionate and understanding society, more-fluid or experimental behavior may be expected among the sizable part of the population who are not firmly at one end or the other of the sexual scale. This means that greater opportunity exists for the HUMAN part of sexuality to affect men's behavior, through individual relationships with men (or women). Isn't this what our sexuality is most about, rather than who we love or live with being relegated to those images that get us hardest fastest?

by Anonymousreply 251January 19, 2020 1:26 AM

50% are pure gay.

by Anonymousreply 252January 19, 2020 1:27 AM

50% of men having same sex sexual contact is ridiculous - what is your source for that?

by Anonymousreply 253January 19, 2020 1:34 AM

Multiple large scale surveys of sexuality across large liberal societies such as the UK show less than 2% of males are homosexual. Another 2-3% are bisexual to some degree but spend most of their lives in heterosexual relationships. The ridiculous queens claiming 5, 10 and higher %'s are cum-dump prep-ers living in sex clubs.

by Anonymousreply 254January 19, 2020 3:00 AM

r254 Do you have a source or link please?

by Anonymousreply 255January 19, 2020 8:40 AM

Your numbers are worse than Kinsley's

by Anonymousreply 256January 19, 2020 8:50 AM

LOL R25 "No man can resist it in the end." Did you intentionally write this?

by Anonymousreply 257January 19, 2020 9:33 AM

It's definitely not over 3%. The gay population is like one big high school--we all seem to either know one another or be extremely closely linked to one another. Facebook has really helped me realize this. I live in the US...I have a gay friend all the way in Australia who I just recently discovered is friends with my ex's new boyfriend. That kind of shit just doesn't happen in the straight world, with its population of billions.

by Anonymousreply 258January 19, 2020 9:43 AM

You guys must really hate yourself or buy into the lies straights tell you to think that the population of gay males is so small. Less than 3%? Really?

by Anonymousreply 259January 19, 2020 2:49 PM

^3% isn't that small compared to a number that a lot of studies came up with

by Anonymousreply 260January 19, 2020 3:01 PM

R247 gay men and of bi women don't outnumber gay women and bi men by that much in most of the researches

by Anonymousreply 261January 19, 2020 3:03 PM

That article @R236 makes many assumptions to be credible.

Most males have probably experienced same sex attraction at one time or another . Homosexuality is most likely part of the male make up.

by Anonymousreply 262January 19, 2020 3:12 PM

[quote]You guys must really hate yourself or buy into the lies straights tell you to think that the population of gay males is so small. Less than 3%? Really?

Huh? Straights didn't tell me shit. I came up with my own number based on my own observations. Anyone who thinks 10% of males are gay is DELUSIONAL. You fucking wish!

by Anonymousreply 263January 19, 2020 4:33 PM

Purely anecdotally I'd say based on my experience that about 1 in 12 possibly at a push 1 in 13 men are gay.Not sure what that translates into as a percentage.

by Anonymousreply 264January 19, 2020 4:40 PM

So 1 out of 12 kids you graduated with turned out to be gay/lesbian?

by Anonymousreply 265January 19, 2020 5:21 PM

r265 I'm more talking about males but roughly yes.

by Anonymousreply 266January 19, 2020 5:48 PM

Oh r265 I'm sure this wont make much difference to the percentages but I'm British not American. My experiences are british.

by Anonymousreply 267January 19, 2020 5:50 PM

The General Social Survey asks about both sexual orientation and also sexual behavior with same sex partners. In 2014, 8.2% of men said they had had at least one sexual experience with another man. 2% reported their sexual orientation as gay, 3% reported their sexual orientation as bisexual. Among 18-29 year olds 7.5% of males and 12.2% of females said they had had at least one same sex sexual experience.

I can't find the 2018 data to see if the numbers have changed in the last four years. The % reporting being homosexual hadn't changed significantly from earlier years but the % reporting a same sex experience with another man had doubled

by Anonymousreply 268January 19, 2020 6:06 PM

R266 Your school must be one of the gayest schools in the world

by Anonymousreply 269January 19, 2020 6:07 PM

r269 Maybe!Or maybe we are just different statistically or more gay or more open in Liverpool??

by Anonymousreply 270January 19, 2020 6:22 PM

Some places, it's 20%. A gay man who won't come out and he has a lot of kids...that area has a lot of gay people. Just think about those guys who make a baby with any woman they sleep with. I have known guys like that.

by Anonymousreply 271January 19, 2020 6:29 PM

Even in San Francisco, the most lgbt friendly place on the planet, where gays move to so they can be among their own, and where there is almost no closeted people or people that would lie on this types of surveys, the numbers were around 15%. And that includes bis and tis. Now get rid of bis and tis, how low will that number drop? And that's SanFran, city with the highest gay population

by Anonymousreply 272January 19, 2020 6:58 PM

The only way to know for sure is to list them all. So OP start...

by Anonymousreply 273January 19, 2020 7:10 PM

R215, I don’t think that straightish guys would go for Henry Cavill. It’s more likely that it’s a close friend or roommate, with alcohol or drugs involved, and young guys, like 20s, before they develop a lot of body hair and such.

by Anonymousreply 274January 20, 2020 12:12 AM

r238 - I agree. Too many people are trying to restrict their percentages to card-carrying, flag-waving, out-n-proud fabulous gay men. There are about a million other shades of grey that should be taken into account.

by Anonymousreply 275January 22, 2020 10:20 PM

2% figures only come from studies rigged by social conservatives, or when surveys are conducted by phone/in-person and a lot of people lie.

by Anonymousreply 276January 23, 2020 12:07 AM

I'm not a social conservative or a phone/in-person survey and I estimate 2-3%. Face it: We're rare.

by Anonymousreply 277January 23, 2020 12:50 AM

R6 lmao

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by Anonymousreply 278January 23, 2020 12:51 AM

Even though there are still idiot bigots, gay and straight, who think that bisexuals don't exist, I honestly believe that if it wasn't for social constructs and cultural norms, the breakdown would be 5% gay, 5% straight, and 90% bisexual. All you have to do is read a little history and how normal it was in the not too distant past for guys to hook up with and form romantic attachments with one another at boarding school, university, and in the military. and then move away from it afterwards. The desire is there, it is just society that tells them not to. And, it isn't just in single sex environments. I took numerous classes in college that involved reading primary documents including letters and diaries of non-famous people, and their sexuality was not as static as history would have you believe. For instance, one of my classes focused on the US Southern Diaspora, white and black in the other areas of the country in the 1930s and 40s. These were working class, socially conservative, largely fundamentalist Christians, and yet there was a whole lot of same sex sexual encounters going on. As one guy we read about, who provided an interview later on said, these were largely lonely people, in a strange and different environment, who just wanted to feel a connection to another human being, so come closing time at a bar they didn't really care if they went home with a guy or gal, just that they went home with someone.

by Anonymousreply 279January 23, 2020 1:11 AM

R279 Take your meds.

by Anonymousreply 280January 23, 2020 1:30 AM

2-3% is one in every 35-50 guys being gay. There are likely another few percent that are bisexual so we are talking 1 in every 20 guys or so who might be attracted to other guys. That sounds pretty accurate when you think of all men across America. That is 1-2 boys per high school class. Sounds about right.

by Anonymousreply 281January 23, 2020 1:46 AM

In college I took an anthropology course in which the professor was telling us about some researcher's observations with a South American tribe where homosexuality had no negative or positive connotations (although it was bad if a member had sex with someone outside the tribe without an OK from authority, but that was for both homo- and hetero-). Because there were no social or moral restrictions, the issue of closeted men and women wasn't as much an issue as it would be in a more developed society (there was still some juvenile issues because boys and girls would recognize their attractions to same-sex people as different from their parents and other straight elders). The anthropologist found in that tribe that the rate of members who engaged in homosexual intimacy was around 25% which is, of course, quite high. The point was, assuming that sexuality has some basis in nature and assuming there are no cultural barriers to expressing it, it was arguable that 25% was a rate that could be used for all human civilizations, including modern Western; my professor blatantly stated his belief that 25% of the world is homosexual. What was also interesting is that the anthropologist's observations showed that behavior we would describe as bisexual made up a very small portion of that 25%.

With that said, my personal observations suggest 25% to be a bit high. However, I usually hear the generally-spouted 10% which, to me, does seem much lower. While I wouldn't go so far as supporting R279 in full, I do think the assertion that it's higher than what is expected is interesting, based on that anthropological case.

by Anonymousreply 282January 23, 2020 7:57 AM

Great post r282 and a fascinating study which really has huge implications.

by Anonymousreply 283January 23, 2020 3:24 PM

I think accounting for the gay population on its own is boring and not relevant today. Straight identifying boys on TilTok think nothing of kissing each other for “likes”, the emo guys from the mid-2000s also created outlets for bisexual experimentation. I think the gay 100% gay population is somewhere between 5-10%. I think the bisexual populations, woh shades of grey, are another 15-20%.

I mean many gay men can find something sexually attractive about females, even if it’s not enough to act on those feelings or even get hard. Their prefernaxe would still be men. I think many straight identifies or closer bisexuals have similar feelings. A fleeting attraction to a best friend. A glance at another guy’s cock in the lockerrrom. Prolonged wrestling can even be attributed to a sexual domination of a male friend.

When I went on vacation and ran into some guys alone on a beach, there were a number of them slightly drunk and away from the judgment of home, willing to at least experiment with a kiss or blowjob (this was about 8 months ago as a refernace).

So there is a sizable portion of the male population that is curious or bisexual, even if they never reach the stage of full on MM sex. Humans are too curious to be placed in boxes our minds are too advanced, which is why religion and society work to tamper that adventurous spirit.

by Anonymousreply 284January 23, 2020 5:15 PM

Jesus, your numbers are worse than Kinsey's and his 10% is usually considered a overestimated joke today. Also, for everyone saying that those researches come up with such low numbers because they are made by conservatives... it's conservatives that believe gay people make a lot bigger percentage than they actually do.

by Anonymousreply 285January 25, 2020 5:09 PM
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