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"I don't believe in labels" is the new "I'm bi" for emerging gays

An improvement I think. If the boys who can't yet embrace a gay identity stop claiming to be bi, maybe you bitches can accept that some people are actually bi.

And don't get me started on "pansexual." What a joke.

by Anonymousreply 10105/14/2017

It`s as new as bell bottoms and disco music. I`ve been hearing young people say it for over 30 years.

by Anonymousreply 108/22/2013

No such thing as male bisexuality

(and as for female bisexuality.....meh who cares what they do?)

by Anonymousreply 208/22/2013

I had heard it only rarely, R1. Now, I hear it all the time. It's become a common evasion.

by Anonymousreply 308/22/2013

This is as old as dirt - it's not new. It's been around for 30 years or more.

by Anonymousreply 408/22/2013

Labels are very important for the proper wardrobe coordinator.

by Anonymousreply 508/22/2013

It was Michael Stipe`s alibi back in 1985 and was very common.

by Anonymousreply 608/22/2013

New? The label line is time-honored and usually spoken by a guy with cum dribbling down his chin.

by Anonymousreply 708/22/2013

I actually think that true bisexuality is rare. Sure, lots of people can fool around or have sex with either gender but usually people have their *real* issues and desires for one gender or the other. I usually look for where people have their real issues to gauge it.

by Anonymousreply 808/22/2013

I don't believe in labia.

by Anonymousreply 908/22/2013

When a girl says "Sexuality is fluid" I hear "I'm slutty and bi!"

by Anonymousreply 1008/22/2013

You are defining bisexuality as an relatively equal preference for both genders R8 (and probably R2). That is not what bisexuality means. At all. It just means you have some sexual attraction to both genders.

by Anonymousreply 1108/22/2013

I accept that some people are actually bi and I accept the fact that OP is a Jackass!

by Anonymousreply 1208/22/2013

R12 is correct. More men are bi than not. Labels are for clothes.

by Anonymousreply 1308/23/2013

I don't understand why more closeted actors don't come out as bi instead of gay, particularly the heartthrobs with huge female fanbases,

Wentworth Miller could have come out as bi years ago.

James Franco should come out as bi (although, does he really need to come out at this point?)

Josh Radnor should come out as bi.

Are there any other closeted guys that I'm forgetting?

by Anonymousreply 1408/23/2013

Just another euphemism people who have hang-ups with their sexuality use to evade the issue. Closet cases who don't mind looking foolish and who think others are as into their sexuality complexes as they usually "don't like labels", and will fuck anything. These people are not as centered and as balanced as they portray.

by Anonymousreply 1508/23/2013

We don't believe in labels either.

by Anonymousreply 1608/23/2013

Bi now gay later.

by Anonymousreply 1708/23/2013

Isn't looking that bad yet in this thread, but I'm feeling the biphobia, "I'm marginalised so let's pick on the other minorities".

Some of us like both, deal with it .

by Anonymousreply 1808/23/2013

The "I don't believe in labels" ridiculous bullshit tends to be spewed by bisexual men beset by uncontrollable internalized homophobia (surprise, surprise!), who want to separate themselves from anything to do with same sex attraction as much as possible, while indulging in their passions when it suits them.

It's the vaguer equivalent of the "I'm straight/gay, but I don't mind having sex/I could fall in love with a man/woman" explanation, and it's usually utilized to avoid being looked at with disdain when anyone could remind them that their behaviour is duplicitous and ignoble at best.

Also, I have encountered some utter fools who think that spewing these absurdities makes them special, edgy and unique... Oh well, to each their own, as they say.

by Anonymousreply 1908/23/2013

There's also my personal favorite--"Pansexual."

R18--The denial of bisexuality is a strange, persistent pattern. I think some deniers lied about being bisexual themselves so they assume everyone else is also lying. Some misunderstand the concept and say "you must like one sex more than the other" as if the true bisexual must be absolutely indifferent.

by Anonymousreply 2008/23/2013

I'm trisexual. I'll try anything once.

by Anonymousreply 2108/23/2013

Josh Radnor is gay?

by Anonymousreply 2208/23/2013

I'm just a sexual person, not gay or bi.

by Anonymousreply 2308/23/2013

R23's declaration is another classic.

by Anonymousreply 2408/23/2013

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by Anonymousreply 2508/23/2013

"More men are bi than not."

No, actually studies show that men are not very flexible in their attractions. Very few guys get aroused looking at both men and women. It's women who are much more likely to be bi.

I do think bi guys exist but most of the guys who trot out the "I don't like labels" are just gays in denial, not real bisexuals. It's closted marys like Andre Leon Talley who say they don't like labels. Yeah, he's bi...he likes both men and guys.

by Anonymousreply 2608/23/2013

R22, Josh Radnor doesn't get talked about much here on DL, as a matter of fact, he generally doesn't get that much attention from the media in general.

But... from what little I've read on Datalounge, he is out in his private life and work life, but he doesn't feel like he can get away with coming out like Neil Patrick Harris.

I suspect he'll come out some time after HIMYM has ended, in order for him to stay relevant.

by Anonymousreply 2708/23/2013

If there is anything common to every person who has posted in this thread, it is this: that they are absolutely correct, and those that disagree with them are absolutely wrong.

Is staking your irrefutable claim to the truth really that important? Put another way: what difference does it make if you call that white thing with the webbed feet swimming on the lake a canard or a duck?

by Anonymousreply 2808/23/2013

And another bisexual discriminatory thread makes an appearance on DL.Got to love the rampant hypocrisy that emanates from certain sections of the gay community where discrimination is concerned!

by Anonymousreply 2908/23/2013

Even Elton John claimed to be bi at first.

by Anonymousreply 3008/23/2013

Ashlee Simpson: ENVY

by Anonymousreply 3108/23/2013

Burka by Rumer Willis

by Anonymousreply 3208/23/2013

Wrong thread 31/32.

by Anonymousreply 3308/23/2013

ROAM by Anne Heche

by Anonymousreply 3408/23/2013

"Pansexual" and "Genderqueer" and "cis" seem to be the new labels of choice by the radical fringe who normally would call themselves "queer."

Most gay males stick to "gay." These other terms seem to be more in favor with academic chicks.

by Anonymousreply 3508/23/2013

Fuck this is the wrong thread, isn't it.

by Anonymousreply 3608/23/2013

[all posts by tedious troll removed.]

by Anonymousreply 3708/24/2013

Dorothy: How come their not lesbians? Wake up Miami guest: We don't believe in labels.

Classic GG scene (and a hat-tip to R16)

by Anonymousreply 3808/24/2013

"I don't understand why more closeted actors don't come out as bi instead of gay, particularly the heartthrobs with huge female fanbases"

Because coming out as bi is coming out as liking cock up your ass and down your throat, i.e., it is coming out as gay. Their is no advantage in it except in one's own imagination.

by Anonymousreply 3908/24/2013

[quote]No, actually studies show that men are not very flexible in their attractions. Very few guys get aroused looking at both men and women. It's women who are much more likely to be bi.

Actually, no. Perhaps more women will come out as Bi but in practically all studies, there are way more men admitting to some degree of same sex activity than women.

by Anonymousreply 4008/24/2013

I don't believe in hearing

by Anonymousreply 4108/24/2013

R35 - back to the dictionary.

"cis" or "cisgender" has nothing to do with sexual attraction it has to do with gender identity. Actually cis refers to people who perception of their gender is the same as the biological gender they were born with. If you perceive yourself to be a man and you were born a biological man, than you are cis.

Genderqueer is also about gender identification.

Pansexual is about sexual attraction.

by Anonymousreply 4208/24/2013

cis sounds like a load of bullshit, r42.

R17, I like that.

by Anonymousreply 4308/24/2013

WE DEMAND LABELS!!!!

by Anonymousreply 4408/24/2013

When I was young the popular evasion was "I think most people are basically bisexual." The no labels thing is old, it was even on a Golden Girls episode.

by Anonymousreply 4508/24/2013

[quote]No, actually studies show that men are not very flexible in their attractions. Very few guys get aroused looking at both men and women. It's women who are much more likely to be bi.

Ahem.

by Anonymousreply 4608/24/2013

[all posts by tedious troll removed.]

by Anonymousreply 4708/24/2013

R43 - you're comment is pretty funny.

What are you - 18 years old, 25 years old?

It really wasn't that long ago that you a gay man have found himself in jail, fired, kicked out of your house etc...if people discovered he was gay.

Most of the world still thinks being gay is far worse than bullshit.

I suggest you get over yourself - and try showing the same tolerance and understanding of others that you have grown to expect others to show you.

by Anonymousreply 4808/24/2013

This reminds me of Ezra Miller coming out as queer instead of bi, saying he's not into labels.

by Anonymousreply 4908/24/2013

R48, you're a real idiot as well.

by Anonymousreply 5008/24/2013

You don't have to get aroused looking at men. You get aroused when they put your dick in their mouth.

by Anonymousreply 5108/24/2013

Some people need labels on sexuality (or other things), others do not. Have some tolerance for individualism.

by Anonymousreply 5208/24/2013

R52 = Andre Leon Talley

by Anonymousreply 5308/24/2013

One either tolerates the stench of fecal material, or one doesn't. It's not exactly brain surgery, fags...

by Anonymousreply 5408/24/2013

Today at 11:57 AM

When Will Men Be Okay Exploring Same-Sex Experiences?

By now, there’s an established celebrity “coming out” narrative. You sit down with a morning talk-show host or write a blog post saying that you’re in love with someone who shares your gender. Your true fans profess their continued devotion, LGBT rights groups and opinion writers applaud you, and while you’ll get some hate mail, most people are relieved to finally have you “figured out” — especially if your sexuality has been the subject of tabloid speculation.

This doesn't quite apply, however, when you reveal you’re dating a man but insist you’re still attracted to women. “Of course I still fancy girls,” said British diver Tom Daley last week. “But, I mean, right now I’m dating a guy and I couldn’t be happier.” There were some standard-issue homophobic reactions (which Buzzfeed and HuffPost obligingly collected), but Daley also elicited a more specific sort of disapproval from certain fans — biphobia, the Advocate called it. These were the people who assumed Daley was gay but unable to fully admit it, or unwilling to relinquish the privileges of being straight. He was called greedy and accused of trying to have it all. (Which is baffling. It’s not as if he’s dating six people at once.) By contrast, a few days before Daley’s announcement, actress Maria Bello published an op-ed revealing she was in love with a woman after years of dating (and marrying) men. While the headlines were conflicted — some said she’d come out as gay, other said she was bi — her son summed it up best: “Mom, love is love, whatever you are.” The idea of a woman being legitimately attracted to both men and other women was heartwarming rather than confusing.

When coming out as not-totally-heterosexual, the rules are different for men and women. Perhaps this is because we’ve had plenty of cultural cues — like chart-topping hit songs about girls kissing girls — and academic research to acclimate us to the idea of women’s fluid sexuality. A new British study found a fourfold increase over the past twenty years in the number of women who’ve gotten it on with another woman, and 15 percent of American women vs. only 8 percent of men say they’ve had a same-sex hookups. Research on women’s sexual desires (as opposed to their behavior) reveals the female libido to be, in the words of author Daniel Bergner, “omnivorous.” When researcher Meredith Chivers showed women clips of erotica — women with women, men with men, men with women, lone men or women masturbating, a pair of fornicating apes — everything made their vaginas pulse. There were some variations between straight women and lesbians, and among women of all sexual identities. But while women may not admit it to researchers or even acknowledge it to themselves, we’re basically turned on by everything.

“Women have a greater capacity for gender-fluid sexual expression than men do,” Chivers told Tracy Clark-Flory at Salon. Indeed, men’s physical responses track much more closely with what they report their sexual identity to be. Straight men are turned on by women and not men; gay men are turned on by men and not women. While there will always be those who argue that this is because of biological differences, there are strong cultural factors at play. Probably thanks to “lesbian until graduation” stereotypes and “I Kissed a Girl”-style odes to superficial experimentation, we’re more comfortable with women whose sexuality is harder to define. “Acceptance of bisexual women hinges in part on straight men's fetishization of it," says a friend of mine who has dated both men and women. "My male friends were endlessly curious about the dirty details of my same-sex relationship." In a Pew Research Center survey of LGBT Americans this summer, 33 percent said there was “a lot of social acceptance” of bisexual women; only 8 percent said the same of bisexual men.

My guess is that as taboos and strict sexual categories begin to fall away, men will be more willing to explore same-sex relationships and hookups — and be more willing to adm

by Anonymousreply 5512/06/2013

Bi doesn't exist, i will never be with a man, anyone who does is gay.

by Anonymousreply 5612/06/2013

R56, go fuck yourself.

I can't tell you stupid bi-denying motherfuckers how many fuck buddies I've had who tried to talk me into threeways with chicks or disappeared for months at a time to have flings with girls.

Bisexual men do exist, and they're a pain in the ass.

by Anonymousreply 5712/06/2013

We all are bisexual. Homosexuals happen to like men more often than women. Straights happen to primarily like women. Say Im wrong, imagine your desired preference obliterated from humanity, would you be celebrate for the rest of your life. Love who you want and be happy.

by Anonymousreply 5812/06/2013

Let people define themselves and stop projecting your agenda on them.

by Anonymousreply 5912/06/2013

what about "omnisexual"? lol. that just means gay too.

by Anonymousreply 6012/06/2013

I'm okay with "pansexual" as an orientation.

It differs from bisexuality in that bisexuals limit themselves to human beings.

by Anonymousreply 6112/06/2013

"I don't believe in earrings"

by Anonymousreply 6212/06/2013

"I don't believe in caftans"

by Anonymousreply 6312/06/2013

I find the "I don't believe in labels" thing to be highly irritating, because it's so goddamned fake and meaningless and wishy-washy (even cowardly).

by Anonymousreply 6412/06/2013

Are you referring to me, OP?

by Anonymousreply 6512/06/2013

I absolutely believe in bisexuals. And I absolutely believe that bisexuals have been tainted because of two reasons: Female "bisexuals" who claim to be a bi for a few years in college, then marry a man. And male bisexuals who do one of two things (or both): Are gay after those few years in college or LIE about liking men while not lying about liking women.

by Anonymousreply 6612/06/2013

bi dudes rock

by Anonymousreply 6705/31/2014

Op is an idiot.

by Anonymousreply 6805/31/2014

No, I don't believe in labels, have settle down with a woman, and have had sex multiple times with "men" (trannies) in the past.

You people are so delusional and one sided. Why can't you accept that no EVERYONE is gay, or bi? It's called having an EXPERIENCE. This is how you people think, when a homosexual identified man claims he enjoys jerking it to women, it's okay, non chalant and doesn't mean anything. But when a STRAIGHT guy owns the fact that he likes to jerk it to (or have sex with) men/trannies, EVEN if it were only ONE TIME, he's AUTOMATICALLY gay/bisexual, and there's nothing that could change your opinions?

The gay community is FUCKED. Fuck all of you pretentious queens.

by Anonymousreply 6905/31/2014

If a guy says "I don't believe in labels" you can figure he'll get down on his knees for another guy.

by Anonymousreply 7006/03/2014

I am like the young, precocious Dyan Farrow - I consider myself "humansexual"!

by Anonymousreply 7106/03/2014

d

by Anonymousreply 7207/19/2014

Just "open" bruh

by Anonymousreply 7307/27/2014

R69, a "homosexual" man who feels attracted to women (even if it's only in masturbatory fantasies) is bisexual, and no one has ever denied that. The same would be in the opposite case. The "experiences" that people enjoy and keep enjoying, make them bisexual, whether you feel comfortable with it or not.

Isn't it curious how genuinely straight people never qualify labels as onerous and say things like "I don't believe in them", while bisexuals and homosexuals in denial use this ridiculous sophism all the time? People who are happy with the way they are do not need to play silly semantic games in order to make themselves feel better.

Also, if you are straight, what are you doing here? It's not like this is the ideal space for red-blooded heterosexual men who like to have "experiences" with transsexuals, is it?

by Anonymousreply 7407/27/2014

I've had a couple of guys tell me this (mostly very young)...my response is:

"But I DO believe in labels. If you suck cock, you're gay".

They go into instant pearl-clutch mode.

It's fun to fuck with their heads.

by Anonymousreply 7507/27/2014

People get to define who they are.

by Anonymousreply 7607/28/2014

so what? let people define their own identity.

by Anonymousreply 7710/12/2014

Pansexual Power

by Anonymousreply 7810/13/2014

There's nothing new about OP. But I agree

by Anonymousreply 7910/13/2014

What R78 said.

Sexual attraction does not function according to political diktats or someone's demands about how others should feel. Some people are truly bi- or pansexual, depending on mood and the bazillion other factors that constitute what attracts one human to another.

How much of sexual preference is socially engineered is a study yet to be done. But for many, it's not a case of either/or but rather a bit of this and a bit of that.

by Anonymousreply 8010/13/2014

"I don't believe in labels" is such a retarded thing to say, it's basically saying I'm ashamed to be have any sort of same sex label, so I'll just say I'm sexual.

Besides it's irrelevant what they call themselves, if a personal is clinically bisexual then they are bisexual, no way around it.

I am gay, but there is nothing stopping me from choosing to call myself bi or sexual, but it wouldn't make any difference because factually I'm gay.

by Anonymousreply 8110/13/2014

I don't think this is hardly new. Didn't the late, great Gore Vidal use to throw around the same line back in his day?

by Anonymousreply 8210/13/2014

Really?

by Anonymousreply 8310/15/2014

[You do realize that this is a troll, right? It does not believe what it posts. It just craves attention. You might want to stop talking to it.]

by Anonymousreply 8410/15/2014

I love heteroflexible dudes

by Anonymousreply 8510/17/2014

I've read Annie is full on lez, I know, shocking, she is so pretty. But I think she doesn't want to be known for her sexuality like KD Lang is., so it's an easy deflection.

by Anonymousreply 8610/17/2014

Why do you old queens care so much about how others label themselves?

They hate 'gay' you love gay, you be gay and let them be what they want.

by Anonymousreply 8710/17/2014

R14

Jared Leto is one of those who has said that 'he doesn't like labels'.

by Anonymousreply 8810/17/2014

Oh I think there are definitely real bisexuals, it's just that they are very few in number.

by Anonymousreply 8910/17/2014

We don't believe in labels.

by Anonymousreply 9010/17/2014

Who gives a flying fuck what people call themselves. Move on people

by Anonymousreply 9110/17/2014

Exactly. Stop being so invested in labels and tribal identity.

by Anonymousreply 9211/13/2014

Hmmm

by Anonymousreply 9304/17/2016

Why do you care about how other dudes identify?

by Anonymousreply 9405/02/2016

Sounds as nigger's thing.

by Anonymousreply 9505/02/2016

Uh no

by Anonymousreply 9605/02/2016

People get nervous when Jews and their fellow NPDs demand they identify themselves.

Or

When Jews and their fellow NPDs see some benefit in identifying themselves.

by Anonymousreply 9705/02/2016

Hmmm

by Anonymousreply 9801/28/2017

BI now

Gay later

by Anonymousreply 9901/28/2017

My friends have a 13 year old daughter who recently told them via letter that she's bisexual. I spoke to the father and he said that he thinks that the act of going down on another girl will put her off. I didn't have the heart to tell him that she probaby want to do just that.

by Anonymousreply 10001/28/2017

Hmmmm

by Anonymousreply 10105/14/2017
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