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What made Marilyn Monroe so successful?

Since I don't really have that much passion for female actresses/ singers, I really can't judge if she's good or not but she must have been because how much of a legend she is. So...for those Monroe fans, what makes her so successful?

by Anonymousreply 178Last Wednesday at 8:53 AM

Among many other things, her vulnerability; you were concerned about her characters because you felt they were in need of someone to watch over her, protect her, that they were always in jeopardy of being taken advantage of; but she was smart enough to never overplay that aspect of what she naturally brought to these women, she balanced that with pluck, zest, her naiveté in tender balance with her drive, her characters' needs; and she was a natural comedienne.

by Anonymousreply 106/15/2013

She was a druggy, tragic mess, who also had charisma and talent onscreen (and it didn't hurt her legend that she died young, before the looks started to unravel).

by Anonymousreply 206/15/2013

She played the woman that men wish existed, the one who lived solely to get attention from men, and to fulfill their fantasies. That's why straight men can be so irrational about her.

She was lovely and had major screen presence, and some genuine talent. But mainly, she's so famous because of her appeal to men.

by Anonymousreply 406/15/2013

2 things.

Men wanted to fuck her.

Women wanted to be her.

In those days you didn't have the tabloids destroying screen images.

by Anonymousreply 506/15/2013

What? It was a huge publicity campaign. She was marketed to death.

by Anonymousreply 706/15/2013

SEX

by Anonymousreply 1006/15/2013

She was also non-threatening to the other women in her pictures, which was kind of unusual for a sex symbol.

by Anonymousreply 1206/16/2013

She's only a "legend" because she died relatively young. Had she lived, this would be her today:

by Anonymousreply 1604/26/2014

Tits

by Anonymousreply 1704/27/2014

Blowing jfk

by Anonymousreply 1804/27/2014

She fucked her way to the top and fucked for roles.

by Anonymousreply 1904/27/2014

Of all the inane threads…..

Are these posters 13 years old? Did they steal the $18 from their mommies' purses?

by Anonymousreply 2204/27/2014

She wasn't talented, c'mon Monroe stans. She was definitely pretty, but she needed plastic surgery to take her looks to the next level. I hate what her image did to modern beauty, as even to this day SO many women and men think only blondes are the most beautiful in the world. She had lovely red hair and went platinum? wtf!

I think Monroe's appeal was obviously highly sexual, and the idea that "you weren't supposed to like her" because she wasn't talented. It's one of those so-bad-it's-good things.

The modern musical equivalent is Shitney Spears. She can't sing for shit, has no personality and has had a nose job etc to improve her looks and people like her IN SPITE OF her music.

by Anonymousreply 2304/27/2014

R24 no you're just a delusional fan. So many other actresses thought she was a joke and it wasn't just jealousy. They were jealous at the attention she got, but they weren't jealous of her acting ability. There's no way Monroe would be as famous as she is now if it weren't for her highly memorable appearance. Her appearance and image made her iconic and it's why so many women have copied her all these years later.

There's no way you can call her talented in comparison to some of the great actresses of her time. Get real.

by Anonymousreply 2504/27/2014

R24 is one of those totally deluded Monhoe fans who genuinely believe she was Meryl Streep. Don't bother trying to reason with them R25, even though it's clear for all to see that she was one of the worst actresses to ever appear onscreen, that type see what they want to see. You're right. She was to acting what Britney is to singing.

by Anonymousreply 2604/27/2014

I find this topic interesting. Only recently I mused about why Monhoe (along with Liz Taylor and Judy Garland) attracted such... intense, deluded ...fans.

Let's establish a few basics:

Her fans today are women and gay men. Only on DL would anyone believe modern straight men cared about an actress from sixty years ago.

She got her FOX contract on the casting couch.

She couldn't act.

She was plain. Her alleged beauty wasn't unlike today's PEOPLE's Most Beautiful - where the sole requisite for beauty is peroxide and a desire to be thought of as such.

Her fans today try as paint her as a "tortured, innocent soul, with great intellect". She wasn't.

I think that phony baby voice has something to do with it. Seeing a bleach blonde caricature of what society considers attractive with a little girl voice. It's creepy, and a BIG part of it.

Someone on another thread remarked on how all his fucked-up female acquaintances worship Monhoe.

R7 is right. A lot of it was how she was marketed to death.

She died too soon to become Mamie Von Doren and be reduced to guest appearances on MURDER, SHE WROTE.

I think it might fit into Diva-Worship as A Form A Self area. But, it goes back to the blonde hair, little girl voice and her modern (untrue) image as a tortured soul.

by Anonymousreply 2904/27/2014

I can't say how smart she was and I don't know much about actual talent but Marilyn just had a special star quality that pulls you in. I remember the first time I ever saw one of her movies. I was around 7 and it was on TV. I had no idea who she was but I stopped what I was doing and just watched. I've been a fan ever since.

by Anonymousreply 3104/27/2014

Dying is easing, comedy's hard. Giving a bad actress - like Munhoe - serious, "I'm a serious ACTAH!" roles doesn't turn her into a good actress. A good actress tries her best with lacklustre material and can really sparkle with great material.

Monhoe couldn't act. It had nothing to do with the studio. It was her. She couldn't do comedy (which is often more difficult and less rewarding) She couldn't do drama. Every performance was an unbelievable, actor-y, breathless coo. And, even still, FOX did give her a couple of good comedies!

[quote]She played a convincing drunk in the same movie.

Didn't she practice hard for that?

by Anonymousreply 3204/27/2014

[quote]I was around 7 and it was on TV. I had no idea who she was but I stopped what I was doing and just watched. I've been a fan ever since.

Your young, undeveloped mind was attracted to her bright yellow hair.

She acted in a broad, cartoonish manner that you understood. Whereas, to a seven year old, the finer subtleties of say... Meryl Streep in THE FRENCH'S LIEUTENANTS WOMAN would've been lost on you.

by Anonymousreply 3304/27/2014

I think R26, R29, R32, R33 is the Streep Troll.

by Anonymousreply 3404/27/2014

r23 I wish I could like your post a million times.

It wasn't just Monroe ruining women though I think that happened for a long time, I mean Lana Turner was "discovered at Rexall's drugs", which is some sort of bs, I hope.

I like Lana well enough but MM's image is ubiquitous and everywhere and I'm so fucking SICK of it. And she was so plastic looking. Ugh!

And Shitney tries her damndest to look like her complete with the nosejob and whatever else.

She's like the goddess to fucked up white girls who get PS, and bleach their hair to straw and now get "implants".

by Anonymousreply 3704/27/2014

On another thread a deluded Monhoe fanboi said Monhoe stole ALL ABOUT EVE from Bette Davis!

Her fans are truly unhinged.

by Anonymousreply 3904/27/2014

Re CLASH BY NIGHT, the dude her played MM's lover in that movie was hot! Keith Andes.

by Anonymousreply 4004/27/2014

I swear the Shitney stans are the grandgaybies of the MonHo stans. So much delusion.

by Anonymousreply 4104/27/2014

[quote]I like Lana well enough but MM's image is ubiquitous and everywhere and I'm so fucking SICK of it.

Thank you, Captain Redundant!

by Anonymousreply 4304/27/2014

It's the story of "Marilyn" that is so fascinating. A bastard child born to a schizophrenic film cutter mother and equally crazy grandmother who tried to smother her, shunted off to an orphanage, then to 15 some-odd foster homes where she was sexually abused, married at 16 because no one else wanted her anymore. Worked as a riveter during WWII. Screwed her way into a contract. First major name to pose nude, first cover of Playboy. Quick with a quip. Pills and liquor to mask onsetting mental illness. Marries and divorces huge sports star, marries and divorces huge playwright tried before the HUAC. Beds Brando, Sinatra, Yves Montand, various Mafioso, and dozens of others. Drives Billy Wilder, George Cukor, John Huston nuts on the set. Has dozens of abortions and miscarries those the wants. Beds the President of the US and possibly his brother the Attorney General. Poses nude one last time, then exits at 36 in a still debated death.

That's the stuff of a legend, acting talent aside.

by Anonymousreply 4504/28/2014

I will offer to compliment to Monhoe:

She wasn't as big a whore / didn't use the casting couch as much Shirley Jones.

by Anonymousreply 5004/28/2014

One thing that made her such a legend was her early death, which was shocking and sad.

I thought she was a wonderful comedienne and beautiful. The camera loved her, and she had great charisma.

If she had lived, I'm not sure how much of a legend she'd be today. Her work would have been appreciated, certainly, but at a certain point she would have burnt out. She was practically burnt out as it was. She had a lot of problems that interfered with her work.

by Anonymousreply 5104/28/2014

Britney Spears is the modern Marilyn. They have an ineffable quality which makes them universally fascinating.

by Anonymousreply 5504/28/2014

[quote]Princess Diana, another glamourous blonde also died at 36 but she has not become the myth or icon that MM has and partly this is because she was not as likeable.

That's crap. Diana is just as iconic.

by Anonymousreply 5604/28/2014

r53 wrong. Liz was gorgeous in 68 & she was an all natural beauty. You can't say the same for MM. Plastic plastic.

by Anonymousreply 5704/28/2014

Britney Spears actually looks a lot like Monroe.

by Anonymousreply 5804/28/2014

r58 I have always thought that. She even got a nosejob like MM's and worships her, but it goes along with "every fucked up girl worships MM" theme. She's one of the fucked up girls/women out there.

by Anonymousreply 5904/28/2014

Did she really work hard? I thought she was tardy to the set all the time.

by Anonymousreply 6104/28/2014

Interesting. Warhol did a Liz but I can't think of any iconic photos of her.

by Anonymousreply 6204/28/2014

Delusional MonHo stans, get over it-she wasn't talented. She was a very pretty woman [bold][italic]WITH[/italic][/bold] surgical enhancements and played up a sexual vibe. Let's not pretend she was talented though.

If she hadn't have died young there's no way she would be as legendary now as she is.

and yes Shitney Spears is the modern Monho. MonHo was definitely better looking but both lack talent, are/were on pills, and have/had psychological issues.

by Anonymousreply 6404/28/2014

She fucked her way to the top just like Jennifer Lawrence etc

by Anonymousreply 6604/28/2014

She died before she got old. That's it.

Had she aged like her peers, she wouldn't be better remembered than Ava Gardner or Heddy Lamarr (who was lovelier AND gave us blue tooth.)

by Anonymousreply 6804/28/2014

I think R70 went a bit overboard with the description but I've wondered if that's part of the reason why so many actresses get fucked up on drugs. I don't care how "liberated" a woman is, unless she's truly detached from her body, I doubt the sexual-favors-for-roles experiences wouldn't get to them.

by Anonymousreply 7304/28/2014

"What made Marilyn Monroe so successful?"

She was infamous for that grate blow job she gave.

by Anonymousreply 7504/28/2014

She was a witch and cast a spell on the public. Don't you know Hollywood is full of witches?

by Anonymousreply 7604/28/2014

r79 that person may be really fat but the only people worshipping Dead Marilyn Monroe are Really Old. Ancient Gays and seriously fucked up batshit women. The plastic surgery alone messes up her legacy imho.

by Anonymousreply 8004/29/2014

Who knew the MonHo stans were so delusional, crazy and loyal? Face it, she was a pretty girl who needed plastic surgery to become gorgeous (which means her hollywood beauty was MANUFACTURED). She used sex to get jobs and then gain fans. It's downright creepy how she talked like a young girl while posing in a sexy manner.

She had 0 talent.

by Anonymousreply 8404/29/2014

F&F R81

by Anonymousreply 8504/29/2014

now us gays worship this drug addicted adulteress like she is a goddess. can't make a silk purse out of a whore's ear

by Anonymousreply 8805/15/2014

I think I read a quote from her along the lines of: "When I started out in acting, I don't think I was more 'talented' (as such), but wanted the job more than the competition."

by Anonymousreply 9005/15/2014

MM was successful because every guy wanted to fuck her(even gays ones). She was so hot the prudish Marys/hausfraus had to admit she was sexy. She had this sex appeal that was beyond unique.Sadly what passes for that type of appeal are slutbags like Kim Kardashian and Rihannna and Ms Hohan.Yes I know MM said that onnce she made it in Hollywood she didn't have to blow producers anymore! At least she was honest about it....

by Anonymousreply 9205/15/2014

As we approach a Mini Ice Age, we will find those attractive who most exemplify Neanderthal traits.

Marilyn Monroe was Neanderthal personified-- light skin, light eyes, blonde hair, and an hour-glass body. Her coo-ing method of speaking would mimic the shortened vocal chords of the Neanderthal.

We area all part Neanderthal--! to 5%-- and it is this genetic memory that clings to us, stoking our fires to bring back that linage of those Ice Age Survivors--The Neanderthals.

by Anonymousreply 9405/15/2014

I think r94 makes the most sense.

by Anonymousreply 9505/15/2014

R92 get real. Marilyn Monroe was a slutbag herself. Her beauty, much like WhoreTrashian's was enhanced by plastic surgery and that can't be disputed. If social media had been around during her day, you can bet your ass that MonHO would have used it non-stop as she, like all the rest, was an attention whore of the highest order.

MonHo had no talent besides having sex with men in positions of power.

by Anonymousreply 9605/15/2014

lmao the MonHo stans are just as pathetic as the ones for Vadge and Shitney Spears. The 3 of them are talentless and you're all pathetic for worshiping them.

I never sought to be a celeb "and to be remembered by the masses". That's for a narcissist. It's insane how you prop up this medicated, plastic SLUT on a pedestal like she's some amazing human being. She was a damaged, empty narcissist who thought fame and fortune would solve her problems, like all the rest.

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by Anonymousreply 10005/15/2014

There are some truly damaged "people" haunting this thread.

And I include assholes like R99, even though he probably thinks he's a defender of MM.

by Anonymousreply 10105/15/2014

Look just read r94. Thread closed.

by Anonymousreply 10205/15/2014

Interesting to hear that people (fans??) at the time knew her backstory. I always assumed that the studios kept a tight lid on the stories.

by Anonymousreply 10505/16/2014

R96 No one says she was a saint including myself! I made the blow job quote fr a reason. However you are a clueless cunt.She was nowehere as plastic surgeried out like these current crop of botoxed infested whordes(sic) that exist today. You need to stop trolling and get real yourself.

by Anonymousreply 10605/16/2014

"Some people with aspergers syndrome think marilyn suffered from this as well."

Well, that's pretty stupid. Marilyn Monroe exhibited absolutely NONE of the symptoms of someone with Asperger's syndrome. In all likelihood she had borderline personality disorder, which is a condition where someone straddles the line between being simply neurotic or psychotic, frequently going back and forth between the two. She was obviously very mentally ill (mental illness ran in her family) but it wasn't Asperger's.

by Anonymousreply 10705/16/2014

Thread closed at R29.

That sums it up.

by Anonymousreply 10808/24/2014

Marilyn, Princess Diana and Britney Spears are the three great blonde icons.

by Anonymousreply 10908/24/2014

I adored Marilyn. She was the ultimate movie star.

by Anonymousreply 11008/24/2014

[quote]Interesting to hear that people (fans??) at the time knew her backstory. I always assumed that the studios kept a tight lid on the stories.

Yes, people at the time were aware of her fostered upbringing. When she started out, she claimed that she was an orphan -- that her father was absent (true) and that her mother died (false) -- because she was ashamed that her mother was schizophrenic and institutionalized. Eventually, the press dug out the truth and she had to backtrack. Then the truth about her childhood came out, too. It's why the 1950s public embraced her despite her sexed up image. She really was a girl from nothing who wanted everything and made good. It's also why she was forgiven for the nude photos that ended up in the first issue of PLayboy. She posed because she was literally starving at the time.

by Anonymousreply 11108/24/2014

"She came to us in all of her mother's doubts and leaves in mystery." ~ Norman Mailer on Marilyn

by Anonymousreply 11208/24/2014

[quote]These memories tortured her later in life, knowing in her boozy druggy state that she was IN FACT an EVIL WHORE.

Mary!

by Anonymousreply 11308/24/2014

[quote]"Monroe's personal and intimate ability to inhabit our fantasies has gone right on. As I write this, she is still better known than most living movie stars, most world leaders, and most television personalities. The surprise is that she rarely has been taken seriously to ask why that is so." ~ Gloria Steinem

by Anonymousreply 11408/24/2014

"Marilyn, Princess Diana and Britney Spears are the three great blonde icons."

Princess Di and Brit-Brit are no one's idea of "iconic." Grace Kelly was iconic. Jean Harlow was iconic. But those two twits? Hah!

by Anonymousreply 11508/24/2014

Her 1949 nude calendar, hanging in every gas station across America, thanks to Tom Kelley and a nose job.

by Anonymousreply 11608/24/2014

Grace Kelly was never iconic. Nobody remembers a movie she was in or a song she sang or a Prince she married. Everybody knows Diana and Britney.

by Anonymousreply 11708/24/2014

Yeah, I wouldn't call Kelly an icon. Not even a gay icon. She's too boring albeit was breathtakingly beautiful. But she wasn't a larger than life personality, which is essential to becoming an icon. She was a WASP, born wealthy, went to the right schools, temporarily became a movie star and won an Oscar, retired and married an obscure prince, seemed to have lived a luxurious but unfulfilled life, and died.

That Grace Kelly movie with Nicole Kidman was stating in their ads that she was "the most iconic princess of the 20th century," when in reality it was Diana. For one, Diana not only married into Europe's and the world's most famous dynasties, but she married the heir to the throne and mothered another heir. Not to mention that she became fashionable and a fashion icon in her lifetime. She was literally a superstar. But her stardom has faded in the 17 years since her death, I'm afraid.

by Anonymousreply 11808/24/2014

Liz Taylor was just a dramatic actress, but Marilyn was a gifted comedienne and could sing and dance too. Even if you never saw her in a movie, listen to a cd of her songs, lovely wistful voice. If she focused on the singing she would have given Peggy Lee or Julie London a run for their money.

The film Theres No Business Like Showbusiness is dull apart from Marilyn's three musical numbers, and she practically glows on screen, but then 1953 and 1954 were her zenith years. She is quite lovely too in The Prince and the Showgirl, but when she and Olivier are on screen together its her you look at.

Lets Make Love in 1960 is another dull one, enlivened by her looks and numbers, she was looking terrific again then, and you only have to look at the fragments of Somethings Gotta Give to see how she could have developed in the '60s, whereas The Misfits shows how fragile and emotional she could be, and again she looked wonderful in black and white.

by Anonymousreply 11908/24/2014

Britney Spears is our last link to the type of fame experienced by Diana and Marilyn. It's not that these people are necessarily talented, but they personify a quality that touches the heart of millions and also enrages cynics.

by Anonymousreply 12008/24/2014

The character Amanda in Let's Make Love is basically what Marilyn's Holly Golightly would have been. Love that movie, although I find the French actor utterly repellent.

by Anonymousreply 12108/24/2014

Whatever happened to Grace of Monaco r118,? it came, went and sank like a stone here in the UK, I dont think it even played a week. I shouldnt think there will even be any demand for it on dvd.

All those people who get off on trashing Marilyn only have to look at all those books on her, year after year, how we still talk about her and watch her films. She was a very clever woman - and worked with the best: twice each with Huston, Hawks, Wilder, Cukor, and with Negulesco, Preminger, Olivier, while captivating intellectuals, poets (Edith Sitwell) and those leading men ...

by Anonymousreply 12208/24/2014

Grace Kelly was NOT a WASP, she was Catholic. They ain't WASPS.

by Anonymousreply 12308/24/2014

I used to think Monroe was vastly overrated and mythologized to the point of absurdity. I recently watched " The Misfits" on TCM, however, and she gives a nuanced, captivating performance. She truly did have talent.

by Anonymousreply 12408/24/2014

R123, she still had a WASPy look and quality.

by Anonymousreply 12508/24/2014

At a school talent contest, I once did a dead on impression of Marilyn's Misfits monologue - "You, a sensitive fellow! Crying to me about the bombs you dropped and the people you killed!", complete with the voice and blonde wig, and someone at the end had the audacity to ask me what actress I was pretending to be! Obviously, I must have been shit.

by Anonymousreply 12608/24/2014

I wonder where the likes of Elizabeth Taylor and Audrey Hepburn stand in terms of iconic status when compared to MM.

by Anonymousreply 12704/10/2015

r127 I think, 20 years from now, Julia Roberts trumps them all.

Julia Roberts followed by Liz Taylor followed by Marilyn will be the icons of this 21 and 22nd centuries for sure

by Anonymousreply 12804/10/2015

Julia Roberts! I needed a good laugh.

Nobody tops Marilyn Monroe and no one ever will. She was a formula that could never be mixed again.

by Anonymousreply 12904/10/2015

R128, I don't think so. I know tons of people who still talk about Marilyn Monroe today. Julia Roberts? Not as much, but those who do talk about her, do it mostly for Pretty Woman. Marilyn Monroe is still influencing tons of women out there, especially those who are celebrities.

by Anonymousreply 13004/10/2015

She had a lot of appeal and a great story but her idolatry is owed a lot to nostalgia and circumstance.

by Anonymousreply 13104/10/2015

Well, Julia Roberts certainly trumps them all in terms of teeth size. If Julia, Elizabeth Taylor, and Marilyn were sent to the side of a wooded pond and asked to build a dam, Julia would win hands down.

by Anonymousreply 13204/10/2015

r129 r130

But where do Liz Taylor, Audrey and others stand if you have to rank them all now and 40 years from now.

Now

Monroe Liz Taylor Audrey Hepburn Katharine Hepbrun Bette Davis Garbo Judy Garland

40 years from now

Monroe=Liz Taylor Audrey Hepburn=Madonna Katharine Hepburn Meryl Streep or Julia Roberts Garbo

by Anonymousreply 13304/10/2015

Oh she sure would, r132. The BITCH always wins!

by Anonymousreply 13404/10/2015

Dying young made her a legend.

by Anonymousreply 13504/10/2015

She had it all therefore destroyed by it all. Could anyone survive being motherfucking Marilyn Monroe?

by Anonymousreply 13604/10/2015

She had a natural charisma. If you look at photos of her as a child, she had an innocence and spark that she never lost as she grew up. She was the underdog and her life was a Cinderella story. Orphan girl who became the world's most famous movie star.

It is important to note that she made an effort to become a better actress even after a number of hit films instead of allowing Hollywood to typecast her. She could have taken the easy route and stayed doing the same role over and over to make the studios money.

by Anonymousreply 13704/10/2015

[quote]I wonder where the likes of Elizabeth Taylor and Audrey Hepburn stand in terms of iconic status when compared to MM.

In 2011, Marilyn's white halter-top dress from THE SEVEN YEAR ITCH sold at auction for $4.6, shattering her previous record when in 1999 her "Happy Birthday, Mr. President" gown fetched $1.25 million, at the time a record for an article of clothing. At the same 2011 auction, the red-sequined showgirl gown and a feathered hat Monroe wore in GENTLEMEN PREFER BLONDES sold for $1.47 million.

By contrast, at the same 2011 auction, the velvet brown racing silks and riding pants worn by a young Elizabeth Taylor in NATIONAL VELVET sold for $73,800.

by Anonymousreply 13804/10/2015

At a 2006 auction, Audrey's "little black dress" from BREAKFAST AT TIFFANY'S sold for roughly $920,909. It didn't even crack a million. I was surprised because that Givenchy dress is very iconic.

by Anonymousreply 13904/10/2015

There was something poetic about her, dreamy and far off. And she didn't seem fake (even with the fake surface) or bitchy, while a scientifically-proven 84% of actresses then and now project only fakeness and/or bitchiness.

by Anonymousreply 14004/10/2015

[quote]It is important to note that she made an effort to become a better actress even after a number of hit films instead of allowing Hollywood to typecast her. She could have taken the easy route and stayed doing the same role over and over to make the studios money.

Yeah, look at Jayne Mansfield. Here's a quote from her:

[quote]“Well, what with the Actors Studio and stuff Marilyn goes in for, and her acting with Laurence Olivier and all that, I want to strike out on the common trail, I want to be the ordinary man’s conception of what a sexy, obliging, comradely, down to earth girlfriend ought to be.”

TRANSLATION: Marilyn is artistic, intellectual, dedicated, well-read, liberal, worldly, and refined, a serious actress with substance, while I would rather strive for mediocrity and be considered a "hot" brainless fembot to the woefully ignorant common neanderthal. Take that!

Another quote:

[quote]"The real stars are not actors or actresses. They’re personalities. The quality of making everyone stop in their tracks is what I work at.”

Thus, unlike Marilyn, she didn't give a fig about perfecting her acting craft or to be taken seriously as an actress; all she cared about was fame, fortune, and publicity. It's hard to like someone who was so superficial and shallow.

by Anonymousreply 14104/10/2015

R140 right on. Unlike many sex symbols, Marilyn appeals to women, too. She also got along swimmingly with her female co-stars (Betty Grable, Lauren Bacall, Jane Russell, etc.). It was her male-costars and producers/directors who had a problem with her. When Marilyn rebelled against the mediocre roles/scripts she kept being given and the way she was treated, she became a marked woman.

Here, Dame Sybil Thorndike (played by Judi Dench in MY WEEK WITH MARILYN) defends Marilyn against accusations of being difficult onset. I like how she makes a roundabout dig at Olivier:

[quote]I never found any difficulties with her. I don't know if anybody has. I think they must be difficult themselves if they have

by Anonymousreply 14204/10/2015

Thanks r137 r139.

Elizabeth Taylor doesn't have any iconic dress. That must explain the price and also they were many of her items that were being auctioned.

And Audrey's dress was sold in 2006, 5 years before Marilyn's. It would have fetched easily more than 1 million in the last 2-3 years.

And are the prices of auctioned items the tell-all of iconic status ? Michael Jackson's auction fetched much less than Monroe's (Thriller Jacket close to 1.8 million) .Does that mean he is less iconic than her ?

Straight women primarily idolize Audrey while gay men and a section of Straight men and women idolize Liz Taylor while Monroe is more popular among straight middle or old aged men who are basically the rich and powerful in the world compared to the other two actresses' fandom.

For example there have been many polls(targeted at women) where Audrey came on top as the most iconic beauty or beautiful face ever etc.

by Anonymousreply 14304/10/2015

Cartoon Marilyn set to debut in China:

by Anonymousreply 14404/10/2015

I agree and I think MM was nothing more than a fame-whore.

I remember when I was only 14 yrs old, she sang Happy Birthday to President JFK in a real sexy voice, while the First Lady sat there cringing.

It was distasteful and disgraceful, especially for those times, the early 1960's. As young as I was I knew it was immoral.

I felt bad when I heard she died but never liked her after that scene aired on public TV for anyone who had a TV to see.

by Anonymousreply 14504/11/2015

[quote]I remember when I was only 14 yrs old, she sang Happy Birthday to President JFK in a real sexy voice, while the First Lady sat there cringing.

Jackie was not present at the event, even though it was a celebration of her husband's 45th birthday. She chose not to attend when she learned that Marilyn would be there.

I mean, look at this marquee:

by Anonymousreply 14604/11/2015

She must have taken a lot of old man dick up the ass

by Anonymousreply 14704/11/2015

[quote]And Audrey's dress was sold in 2006, 5 years before Marilyn's. It would have fetched easily more than 1 million in the last 2-3 years.

But just 7 years before, in 1999, Marilyn's "Mr. President" gown sold for $1.24 million! So how do you explain that?

by Anonymousreply 14804/11/2015

The real pity is that she she didn't make more movies that were within her range.

She's not very interesting when she's trying to be sensitive, but when she's playing dumb-smart she's sensational.

The remaining bits of "Something's Got to Give" look awful. She's not interesting at all in some of the scenes--I assume she's drugged to the gills or in some private hell.

by Anonymousreply 14904/11/2015

She did take a lot of old man dick up the ass, but the fatal up the ass was a warm water-enema filled with barbituates.

by Anonymousreply 15004/11/2015

[quote]And are the prices of auctioned items the tell-all of iconic status ? Michael Jackson's auction fetched much less than Monroe's (Thriller Jacket close to 1.8 million) .Does that mean he is less iconic than her ?

I don't think MJ has reached the ranks of Marilyn (or Elvis) in terms of longevity. I mean, Marilyn's been dead for 53 years (this year) and she's still one of the top ten dead celebrity earners and books continue to be written about her and her image appears on shirts, mugs, magnets, posters, etc. She also now has a clothing line at Macy's, Marilyn Monroe Spas, a makeup line from MAC Cosmetics, and this year Max factor announced that it will forego a living celebrity and instead will use Marilyn as their ambassador in ads.

MJ's only been dead for 6 years, so his memory is still very fresh. That's why he's currently the #1 dead celebrity earner. But will it be the same in 50 years? Or will the world have moved on?

by Anonymousreply 15104/11/2015

r148 I wasn't comparing to Marilyn's to Audrey's. I was replying to your claim that Audrey's dress couldn't even fetch over a million dollars.

As for why Marilyn's dress fetched that high, I already gave one of the reasons.

by Anonymousreply 15204/11/2015

R149 what you're sensing is probably disinterest. She didn't want to make that movie but was being forced to by the studio, namely because CLEOPATRA was going overtime and over-budget and hemorrhaging money. They closed down a lot of productions but kept this one. They were hoping that an MM rom-com would bring in much-needed cash. As it turns out, after Marilyn's death, the film was recast with Doris Day and James Garner and retitled MOVE OVER, DARLING and was a huge hit for Fox in 1963. But it would take until THE SOUND OF MUSIC two years later to save the studio.

by Anonymousreply 15304/11/2015

r151.We know that Michael Jackson is more famous and popular than Marilyn Monroe, at least in the last decade and despite that MJ's auction fetched much less than MM's. Just like MJ, Elizabeth Taylor was alive until 4 years ago. So you can't really use the money fetched by their auctions as the sole measure.

And Audrey's image is as iconic as MM, if you ask me. Her face is all over the beauty clinics across the worlds and a cgi version of her was recently used to sell Galaxy chocolates.

And again, I am not saying either Audrey or Liz Taylor is more iconic than MM.

by Anonymousreply 15404/11/2015

[quote]And Audrey's image is as iconic as MM, if you ask me. Her face is all over the beauty clinics across the worlds and a cgi version of her was recently used to sell Galaxy chocolates.

Then why doesn't she crack the top ten dead celebrity earners? Last year's list of the top 10:

1) Michael Jackson ($140 million), 2) Elvis Presley ($55 million), 3) Charles Schultz ($40 million), 4) Elizabeth Taylor ($25 million), 5) Bob Marley ($20 million), 6) Marilyn Monroe ($17 million), 7) John Lennon ($12 million), 8) Albert Einstein ($11 million), 9) (four ties)Dr. Seuss ($9 million), Bruce Lee ($9 million), Steve McQueen ($9 million), Bettie Page ($9 million), 10) James Dean ($7 million)

Marilyn's standing fluctuates. For example, three years ago (around the time of MY WEEK WITH MARILYN, that SMASH TV show, MAC's new MM line, Macy's new MM line, and the 50th anniversary of her death) she was #3, but she's also consistently in the top ten. I gather Elizabeth made the list and ranked higher than Marilyn because she just had a big auction of all her things.

My question: If Audrey's estate is freely licensing her name/image, then why can't she even crack the top ten?

by Anonymousreply 15504/11/2015

I see Bettie Page and Dr. Seuss made that list. Are you saying that they are more iconic than Marlon Brando, Princess Diana, Humphrey Bogart, Katherine Hepburn, Audrey Hepburn ? Please tell me.

by Anonymousreply 15604/11/2015

R156 Dr. Seuss' characters and pen-name definitely. I was surprised about Bettie Page, too, but I do see her image on magnets and such. More so than Brando, Diana, or Hepburn.

by Anonymousreply 15704/11/2015

And r155 Elizabeth taylor's auction happened in 2011 and 2012 which fetched more than 200 million and she topped the list then above Michael Jackson and Elvis.

She made the 2014 list solely on the basis of her brand name and perfumes sale. If you are picking up articles from Forbes at least read what they wrote.

by Anonymousreply 15804/11/2015

[quote]She made the 2014 list solely on the basis of her brand name and perfumes sale.

And the fact that she just died. It'll be interesting to see how she fares 10 years down the line, never mind 53.

by Anonymousreply 15904/11/2015

Lol, you really think Bettie Page is more iconic than Brando or Diana ? Do you ?This is the limit. Stop kidding please. 95% of the world didn't even hear her name and even in America Betty White is more popular and famous than Bettie Page.

by Anonymousreply 16004/11/2015

You can't objectively measure iconic status just by using their earnings even if they died recently. And who know what happens in the future ? Elizabeth Taylor name will remain popular as long there are gays and as long as HIV exists. She may even become more popular as the first major celebrity to endorse AIDS research.

by Anonymousreply 16104/11/2015

R160 did I say she was more iconic? I just included the Forbes list where she ties with three others for 9th place of the top ten dead celebrity moneymakers. I also said I was initially surprised to see her name there, but then I remembered that her image is still widely used. Nowhere did I state that she was more iconic than both Hepburns, Bogart, Brando, or Diana.

by Anonymousreply 16204/11/2015

r162 You have been constantly bringing up the earnings of dead celebrities to prove who is more iconic. If we were to go by their earnings then Bettie has to be more iconic than Diana.

But anyway, I am not saying or arguing against your claim that MM is more iconic than say , Audrey . I just wanted to know where others stand.

by Anonymousreply 16304/11/2015

R163 I only brought up earnings as one aspect of determining iconic status.

by Anonymousreply 16404/11/2015

Yes r164 and that is what I have been contending against. Earnings are one of the many measures to determine iconic status but not the only one or main one.

by Anonymousreply 16504/11/2015

She was a fucked up mess and sexy at the same time. Lots of people are attracted to that. Some guy just texted me how in love with me he was. I asked why, he said because I was so messed up with my flaws and addictions, it was beautiful. What an asshole. But yeah, it's apparently a thing.

by Anonymousreply 16604/11/2015

lol r166

by Anonymousreply 16704/11/2015

boobies!

by Anonymousreply 16804/11/2015

The Brittny Spears comments are meant to be funny, right?

by Anonymousreply 16904/11/2015

She was a sex goddess.

by Anonymousreply 17004/11/2015

She was built up by the studio - mega build up.

She was appealing, if not a very good actress

She died young and forever kept her beauty

by Anonymousreply 17104/11/2015

Baby talk and big boobs.

by Anonymousreply 17204/11/2015

Extraordinary vulnerability, great beauty and not being like anyone else made Monroe very special.

by Anonymousreply 17304/11/2015

It wasn't just men who loved Marilyn. Women liked her too. For some reason, she didn't set off resentment or jealousy. She was sincerely sweet at heart. That was real about her - nothing put on.

by Anonymousreply 17404/11/2015

She had the 'it factor'. You could toss her on screen with more talented actors but she commanded attention. When you understand that Marilyn Monroe was a character that she played you can understand why she remains an icon to many today. She wasn't the greatest actress on screen but she excelled as Marilyn and in roles that perpetuated this image. She was in character all the time off screen in photos, interviews and appearances. She was committed to delivering the Marilyn character to her fans. It probably helped her to hide and deal with her tragic upbringing.

She will forever be associated with the nostalgia people have for the fashion, historical events and classic films from that period of time. She has quite a few pictures which hold up well today (such as Some Like it Hot, How to Marry a Millionaire).

As with any celeb, some people love her and others don't. Regardless, she remains an icon.

by Anonymousreply 17504/11/2015

She was purest defination of a movie star.

by Anonymousreply 17604/11/2015

Just another Hollywood cumdumpster, the difference? Marilyn was chosen to be elevated.

by Anonymousreply 17704/13/2015

Stop it Marilyn is the most beautiful genius who's so misunderstood! She is an icon and grand and kind and lovely! Shame for saying such shit about her! She's my Saviour and main spirit guide, so you better not insult her anymore! She has recently gave me such a touching message and commanded me to share!

All credit for this message goes to Marilyn Monroe, my master, guide, and saviour whom I love! Please credit Marilyn alone for this!

Important note: Everything has a spiritual side to it, everything has a spiritual essence. Marilyn's spirit and essence lives on in all things Marilyn Monroe, and if some spiritual incidents happen, it is bound to spiritually affect other things, so.

Recently Marilyn contacted me from the spirit world!!! Being a medium, I'm used to contact with spirits, but Marilyn told me to tell this message to everyone, since she could only get in touch with only me at the moment! (She's trying hard, she's been contacting me frequently lately, so it must be really important.)

Marilyn said that she needs people with a good, decent spiritual aura and energy to give up their physical bodies, freeing their spirit and all their spiritual energy. Then, they can go into the spirit world to really meet and connect with her, to share all their spiritual energy with her so that they can help her!! (Technically, we are all one and connected, but we are held back by our physical bodies. As a spirit, your essence and energy is completely free and released, and you can strongly connect to Marilyn in all aspects of that word, on a whole other level, so the joining of spiritual energy with hers works fully.)

She also says she hasn't been her lovely self lately, she lost some of her magic and charm, and she doesn't seem too well, because some spiritual things occurred, and she needs this so that she can be fine and better than ever again! (The spirit world is not exactly Paradise, don't let religious stories and concepts warp your minds. Where do you think bad spirits or curses come from?)

This is urgent we have to help Marilyn! But I must still spread this message for now because Marilyn said so, and I need to get others to know and help! Then I too, can go to be with her forever. We initially did not know what exactly happened, but Marilyn has revealed the basic truth. We also did not know how to restore her loveliness and charm, but Marilyn has revealed the way to do so.

*This is where the true meaning of the important note comes in.

Please spread this message however you can and don't keep Marilyn waiting!I allow everyone who wants to help to copy this whole post to share it on Facebook, Twitter, Tumblr, forums, or wherever you need to share it on!

Then, quickly find a way to free your spirit and energy, go into the spiritual world to meet her, if not Marilyn will be very heartbroken and disappointed in you!!! She loves you all so much, please go to her soon to help her! She really needs this!!! If you feel you can do it just do it!!! Help Marilyn!!!

I really really love Marilyn so much, she means a lot to me and she's the greatest and so magical and fascinating.

I wish that others who feel the same will care enough to do what they can to help her.

I think it's such a shame that many who claim that they love Marilyn lots don't show it in their actions by doing anything to help her when she needs it. It really is such a shame that those cowardly fakers don't help Monroe.

Poor Marilyn! She has such a big heart with full of love to give, but gets hurt in return because some people don't really stick by her and truly dedicate themselves to her.

(Please do copy this whole post and share it as much as you can for Marilyn, because I'm deleting my account soon to show my respects and dedication to her, my way of expressing myself to her and to show her that she's the only one that matters and that I really love. And since I'm going to Marilyn myself too, I don't need this account anymore.

by Anonymousreply 178Last Wednesday at 8:53 AM
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