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Harriet Miers And Other Republican Faux Pas

I came of age during the George W. Bush presidency. I never realized that the Republicans were fallible until the botched Harriet Miers Supreme Court nomination. After that, of course, Katrina and the 2006 election slowly began to chip away at the Republican fortress. I look back now and realized that the Harriet Miers nomination was the opening the Democrats needed to finally grow some balls.

What other moments helped us get from 2000 to the Democratic hegemony of today?

by Twentysomethingreply 8204/02/2017

A lot of people don't think about it now, but at the time the Terrie Schiavo case was a big blow to Bush and Republicans. Polls showed the vast majority of Americans disapproved of the government's interference in what was a private person's medical care. Bush's approval ratings tanked and he never fully recovered from the debacle.

by Twentysomethingreply 111/14/2012

Bush spending his political capital trying to privatize social security.

by Twentysomethingreply 211/14/2012

If you think the Republicans won't eventually come back into power, you're being very naive. The pendulum always swings back in American politics and the Republicans are very good at playing on the electorate's fears and prejudices.

Democratic hegemony will be fleeting.

by Twentysomethingreply 311/14/2012

Bush appointed an old Texan friend Alberto Gonzales as his Attorney General after the resignation of John Ashcroft. Mr Gonzales oversaw questionable US attorney dismissals and the NSA's warrantless wiretapping before eventually resigning.

by Twentysomethingreply 411/14/2012

The demographics are against the Republicans, R3. They'll have minor comebacks, but they'll eventually give way to a new political party.

by Twentysomethingreply 511/14/2012

Remember this blog?

by Twentysomethingreply 611/14/2012

The Iraq war kept grinding on, costing a fortune with no victory in sight just as nay-sayers had warned.

Scandals also wore on way too long: Valerie Plame, attorneys general, others. No single great blow but a sense of bungling and coverup.

Terri Schiavo was important too. The lazy laggard Bush made a huge show of flying in at midnight and signing a bill to "save her life." Theatrical, stupid, and meddling.

People were sick as hell of the Bush gang by the end and I hope for Obama's sake he will not earn this level of enmity.

by Twentysomethingreply 711/14/2012

There's all the under-the-radar ones, e.g. Marvin Bush, Bertha Champagne, Mike Connell, Debra Palfrey's 'suicide' ...

by Twentysomethingreply 811/14/2012

[quote]The demographics are against the Republicans, [R3]. They'll have minor comebacks, but they'll eventually give way to a new political party.

You are REALLY naive. They are masters at getting people to vote against their interests and they have massive amounts of money at their disposal.

by Twentysomethingreply 911/14/2012


by Twentysomethingreply 1011/14/2012

You have to be concern trolling, R9. The Republicans can't make a true comeback unless they abandon conservatism.

by Twentysomethingreply 1111/14/2012

I'm not concern trolling; I'm just fighting against political naifs who "came of age" in the last 6 years and have no understanding of American political history. This kind of shit is why Democrats can't stay in power for long stretches of time and haven't been able to enact real, true liberal reform for the last 40+ years.

by Twentysomethingreply 1211/14/2012

Mission accomplished.

by Twentysomethingreply 1311/14/2012

"There are some who, uh, feel like that, you know, the conditions are such that they can attack us there. My answer is: bring 'em on."

-George W. Bush, July 2, 2003, referring to attacks against U.S. forces in Iraq.

by Twentysomethingreply 1411/14/2012

[quote]They are masters at getting people to vote against their interests and they have massive amounts of money at their disposal.

Massive amounts of money didn't help them last week, and those votes they are allegedly masters at getting never materialized.

by Twentysomethingreply 1511/14/2012

Whatever happened to Harriett anyway? Shouldn't she have gotten a Judge Judy-type TV show?

by Twentysomethingreply 1611/14/2012

You're wrong, R12. Passion puts people in power, and yours is totally misdirected.

Admit it - you're just concern trolling. Young people, women, and minorities have broken decisively for the Democrats. Your cynicism is just too much.

by Twentysomethingreply 1711/14/2012

[quote]Massive amounts of money didn't help them last week, and those votes they are allegedly masters at getting never materialized.

It got them 47% of the vote and allowed them to retain control of the house. It's not a good idea for Dems to get cocky now. Everyone in 2008 said Bush ruined the Republican brand for a generation. Then we got the Tea Party and the 2010 sweep of the elections.

by Twentysomethingreply 1811/14/2012

[quote]Passion puts people in power

Good Lord, I'm debating with children.

by Twentysomethingreply 1911/14/2012

"This has worked out well for them."

by Twentysomethingreply 2011/14/2012

I knew Miers a bit professionally. She was the most introverted lawyer I ever met. She was on our corporate advisory board before going to DC with Bush and in tow years she barely uttered a word. I could never understand how she got where she did in life. Safe to say she was no performer like judge Judy.

by Twentysomethingreply 2111/14/2012

You're not debating with yourself at the moment, R19. Join us again when you float back down to Earth.

by Twentysomethingreply 2211/14/2012

[quote]Join us again when you float back down to Earth.

This, from the moron who writes things like "Passion puts people in power" when, oh...say, ALL OF HUMAN HISTORY indicates otherwise.

Newsflash, Tinkerbell: POWER puts people in power.

by Twentysomethingreply 2311/14/2012

r17 you are incredibly naive.

There is always a Lee Atwater lurking somewhere with black magic to work on the American electorate, which by and large is very dumb, no matter what color it is.

by Twentysomethingreply 2411/14/2012

It's called reality. Voting in a movement does not bring on immediate change, people get disillusioned and vote in another wave. Happens all the time.

People are ungrateful too, as Winston Churchill discovered when the UK turfed him out after he led them out of WWII.

Back to could argue that Obama does not have enough good surrogates. Bush had too much of a good thing: very aggressive spokespeople like Rumsfeld and Cheney who were pushing his agenda all the time. The American went sour on them. The Bush people politicized EVERYTHING and it wore thin.

by Twentysomethingreply 2511/14/2012

[quote]I knew Miers a bit professionally. She was the most introverted lawyer I ever met. She was on our corporate advisory board before going to DC with Bush and in tow years she barely uttered a word. I could never understand how she got where she did in life. Safe to say she was no performer like judge Judy.

Sounds like the second coming of Clarence Thomas.

by Twentysomethingreply 2611/14/2012

Vous êtes très bête, R23.

by Twentysomethingreply 2711/14/2012

You're flailing, R23/R24. You need to brush up on your history and political science. Read Carles Boix's "Democracy and Redistribution", and then talk about people, power, and regime change.

by Twentysomethingreply 2811/14/2012

R18 47% doesn't win elections. Obama won by a larger percentage than George W ever got. The Republicans actually lost seats in the in the house.

I'm not saying your main point isn't valid, but you should try to back them up with facts and not with what sounds like Republican talking points.

by Twentysomethingreply 2911/14/2012

Yes, r27, your clever citation of an 18th Century political movement in France is a very salient point in this discussion of modern American politics, dear.

by Twentysomethingreply 3011/14/2012

[quote]47% doesn't win elections.

Not necessarily, but it's also not evidence that the Republicans are finished for good. To think so is the height of naivete.

by Twentysomethingreply 3111/14/2012

Yeah, because human nature is so different now than it was then, R30.

You are truly retarded.

by Twentysomethingreply 3211/14/2012

R24 - Passion and voter interest trumps whatever the Atwaters try to do.

Don't get mad, vote!

by Twentysomethingreply 3311/14/2012

I'm not talking about something so airy as "human nature," Tinkerbell. I'm talking about the current political landscape in America, something of which you don't seem to have the slightest understanding.

by Twentysomethingreply 3411/14/2012

I am not r23. You are the one who is flailing, my dear. Just because you are fresh out of poli sci 101 doesn't mean you have a grasp on Americans or their voting history.

r33 please. We are not in college, and we know better.

by Twentysomethingreply 3511/14/2012

The overall shadiness of the Halliburton/Blackwater/Gitmo/Abu Ghraib military industrial complex was very influential in turning so many people off. The Bush years was like one big fucking Neocon jerkoff fantasy. Disgusting when you think of it in all it's totality.

by Twentysomethingreply 3611/14/2012

You're not fooling anyone with your false 'erudition', R34/R35. Hide behind the 'Tinkerbell', but your precious Republicans have lost.

by Twentysomethingreply 3711/14/2012

Oh, and please bump this thread when your heroes capture the Senate, the House, and the Presidency again, R34/R35.

Who is the President, though, despite millions of Republican dollars spent? That's right - Obama.

by Twentysomethingreply 3811/14/2012

You are truly an idiot, r37. I'm r34. r35 is someone else who also thinks you're naive. And I've been voting straight Democrat since 1984, you child. I've seen the same idiotic pie-in-the-sky thinking you're exhibiting here from my fellow Dems over and over and over again. And each time it happens, the Tinkerbells are shocked when the Republicans come back in power.

by Twentysomethingreply 3911/14/2012

Valerie Plame.

by Twentysomethingreply 4011/14/2012

R31 no one here is saying the Republicans are finished for good. Again, you would be well served to cite facts, and pay less attention to the voices in your head.

by Twentysomethingreply 4111/14/2012

And yet somehow, the Democrats keep on coming back, R39. What gets them there?

You're a cynical, old moron, R39, and not long for this world.

by Twentysomethingreply 4211/14/2012

r41, please allow me to introduce you to r5 and r11.

by Twentysomethingreply 4311/14/2012

You sound like a fat, white fart, R39. You'll be dead eventually, and the world will continue to change without you.

by Twentysomethingreply 4411/14/2012

[quote]And yet somehow, the Democrats keep on coming back,

And yet, we're one of the most conservative countries in the developed world, lagging behind most of Europe in liberal politics. And yet, the Republicans have dominated American politics for most of the last 40+ years.

We're still debating whether women are allowed to have birth control, for Christ's sake. Grow the fuck up and read some recent history.

by Twentysomethingreply 4511/14/2012

You sound like a petulant, fat child who can't bear to have reality intrude on their fantasies, r44. You'll grow up eventually. Hopefully.

by Twentysomethingreply 4611/14/2012

What's interesting about Harriet Miers is that a lot of powerful Democrats actually liked her. Harry Reid reportedly found her very charming, and told George W. Bush that the Dems would work with him on her appointment.

It was the Republicans that wrecked her campaign. Her judicial philosophies were unknown, and Repubs no longer trusted everything the Bush Administration told them. They were afraid she might turn out to be another David Souter. Because there are so few neocon female judges (and the ones that do exist, like Priscilla Owen, are super controversial), Alito ultimately replaced O'Connor.

It was such a cynical move. It was like: Yeah, we tried to appoint a woman, but here's another white Catholic man.

by Twentysomethingreply 4711/14/2012

You live in a distorted fantasy world, R45, bereft of actual history and facts. If the Republicans have dominated politics for so long, then why did Democrats control Congress for so much of the past 40+ years?

It must be sad to be so afraid all the time, thinking that Republicans will control everything for all time. If things are so hopeless, why do you even bother?

by Twentysomethingreply 4811/14/2012

You're old and palsied, R46. It's 2012. Try to live in it once in a while.

by Twentysomethingreply 4911/14/2012

R43 in neither of the posts you cited did the authors say the Republican party is finished for good. Changed from it's present form? Yes. But not finished for good as you claimed. Again, it's those pesky facts that seem to be your undoing.

by Twentysomethingreply 5011/14/2012

WTF are you talking about, r50? One post said they'll give way to a new party and the other one said they "can't make a true comeback." Should we add poor reading comprehension to your overwhelming naivete?

by Twentysomethingreply 5111/14/2012

[quote]If the Republicans have dominated politics for so long, then why did Democrats control Congress for so much of the past 40+ years?

Why did the Republicans control the White House and the judicial branch for much of that time? Why are Americans working more and earning less than their counterparts in the rest of the western world? Why do we not have universal healthcare? Why are we debating whether women can have birth control or whether the middle class can afford higher education?

by Twentysomethingreply 5211/14/2012

You're young and stupid, r49. 2012 didn't just spring up out of nowhere. History happened. Patterns repeat. Power accrues to the powerful.

by Twentysomethingreply 5311/14/2012

Nice try, R52. It just isn't as bleak as you paint it. Chicken Little it up some more, though - it's becoming amusing.

by Twentysomethingreply 5411/14/2012

That's right, R53... Change happened. History is the chronicle of change. You're blinded to change because you've spent so long living in your pessimistic bubble. How did you get to be so old and still remain so patently foolish?

by Twentysomethingreply 5511/14/2012

R52, I'll give you post R5 implies they may evolve into another party, but R11 clearly says they will have to change in order to survive. Neither one said they are finished for good as you claim.

You can try to insult me all you like, but your lack of employing any facts to back up your point makes such insults the stuff of desperation.

by Twentysomethingreply 5611/14/2012

Keep ignoring reality, r54. I'd say it's amusing, but, really, it's just sad. I live in a country that still debates whether to teach children about evolution, whether old people should get pensions and whether black people get too much money from the government. I wish I lived in the fantasy world you've created for yourself, but I'm here in the real world, with the grownups. Come join us when you're ready.

by Twentysomethingreply 5711/14/2012

r56, r11 argued that Republicans would have to "abandon conservativism" to survive. You're splitting hairs because you have no other point to make.

by Twentysomethingreply 5811/14/2012

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it," r55. But please, keep calling me old, if it makes you feel better.

by Twentysomethingreply 5911/14/2012

R58 you do realize that there was a time when the Republican party was considered the more progressive of the two, right? Conservatism and the republicans are not permanently linked. It is not beyond the realm of impossibility the Republicans could morph into something they currently don't resemble. It's happened before, it will probably happen again.

And if pointing out your posts are lacking in any real facts is called splitting hairs, then call me Mr Hair Splitter. I am honored with such a title.

by Twentysomethingreply 6011/14/2012

Less Americans believe in evolution now than they did 40 years ago.

And I hate to break it to you college kiddies, but boards of education and school boards are teeming with uber Republicunts who are literally re-writing history and science books because they have too many facts in them. Kids coming up now are going to be even DUMBER than adults already are now. Wanna guess what party that bodes well for?

by Twentysomethingreply 6111/14/2012

Oh, for God's sake, r60. Wear the title with pride. I'll continue debating the actual points people are making in this conversation.

by Twentysomethingreply 6211/14/2012

Prepare to be called old and fat because you live in the real world, r61.

by Twentysomethingreply 6311/14/2012

[quote]Less Americans believe in evolution now than they did 40 years ago.


by Twentysomethingreply 6411/14/2012

You should have Oh Dear'd me, r64!

r63 It's okay; I'm 28 and just rolling my eyes at the teenager hurling them.

by Twentysomethingreply 6511/14/2012

r64= Old Dear Troll

by Twentysomethingreply 6611/14/2012

Democratic hegemony? I see your skills as a political analyst haven't improved much since you came of age and thought GWB was infallible.

by Twentysomethingreply 6711/15/2012

[quote]The demographics are against the Republicans, [R3]. They'll have minor comebacks, but they'll eventually give way to a new political party.

They can get their share of minority voters if they drop the anti-immigrant policies and racist overtones. Until the 1968 Southern Strategy, the white south was Democratic. Until 1980, the religious right pretty much stayed out of politics. As long as corporate interests can be served, the Republican establishment doesn't really care about the character of the party. They have changed course to stay in power. They can do it again.

by Twentysomethingreply 6811/15/2012

Exactly, r68. All they have to do is make some overtures to Hispanic voters and stop calling women sluts, and that supposedly massive 3% electoral differential will disappear. Dems need to stay on their toes and not assume that the battle is won after one good election.

by Twentysomethingreply 6911/15/2012

Also, thanks to extreme gerrymandering by Republican state legislatures, the Republicans retained control of the House despite losing the popular vote for House races. They will have that advantage for four more elections.

by Twentysomethingreply 7011/15/2012

The only way the Republicans can survive is if they totally sever themselves from the religious right. The god gang is never going to change their mind about abortion and birth control, and as much as everyone is saying Romney lost because of non-whites, it was women that did him in. In every swing state, in every battleground state, he lost the women vote by a bigger margin than he lost in all votes. The GOP can make nice with non-whites all they like, but if they keep up their attacks on women they will still lose over half of those votes because more women vote than men.

by Twentysomethingreply 7111/15/2012

Pfft. Babygays.

by Twentysomethingreply 7202/02/2013

I think the adulteries of so many 'family values' Republicans destroyed their credibility on the social issues topic.

For a long time they had been able to pull off the facade that they were of a superior sexual morality compared to mere mortals.

But then came:

Sen. Larry Craig (arrested at the Minneapolis airport for gay sex)

Sen. David Vitter (involved with the Washington Madam)

Gov. Mark Sanford (cheated on his wife with an Argentinian mistress)

Sen. John Ensign (had an affair with the wife of a staff member)

Speaker Newt Gingrich (admitted that he cheated on both of his first two wives)

And many more . . .

by Twentysomethingreply 7302/02/2013

This thread is hilariously wrong in so many ways.

by Twentysomethingreply 7407/25/2013

...yet this thread exposes the lies and hypocrisy of the drowning republican party.

by Twentysomethingreply 7507/25/2013

[quote]The demographics are against the Republicans, [R3]. They'll have minor comebacks, but they'll eventually give way to a new political party.


Oh, r5. Where are you today, I wonder?

by Twentysomethingreply 7610/31/2014

Op, it was relentless. Scandal after scandal. He got away with so much because people couldn't keep track of the evil. Can you imagine if Obama had a piss play prostitute sleep at the White House? It's crazy how crazy the Bush years were.

by Twentysomethingreply 7710/31/2014

[quote]Sounds like the second coming of Clarence Thomas.

[quote] Her judicial philosophies were unknown,

It's hard to believe, but she may have been even less qualified for the position than Thomas was. I recall the confirmation hearings were an embarrassment.

[quote]Miers met with the Senate Judiciary Committee after her nomination and in those meetings she was ill-prepared and uninformed on the law.[25] Senator Tom Coburn told her privately that she "flunked" and "[was] going to have to say something next time."[25] Miers had difficulty expressing her views and explaining basic constitutional law concepts.[26] Miers had no experience in constitutional law, and did not have extensive litigation experience; at her Texas law firm, she had been more of a manager.[27] In addition, Miers had rarely handled appeals and did not understand the complicated constitutional questions senators asked of her.[27] To White House lawyers, Miers was "less an attorney than a law firm manager and bar association president."[28]

by Twentysomethingreply 7810/31/2014

[quote] Oh, and please bump this thread when your heroes capture the Senate, the House, and the Presidency again, [R34]/[R35].

Okay, I will.

by Twentysomethingreply 7911/19/2016

A Datalounge classic of liberal-bubble thinking. I wonder where these arrogant "Democratic hegemony" queens are now? They probably voted for Trump.

by Twentysomethingreply 8004/02/2017

Fuck off and die, r80.

There is no liberal bubble unless you mean the intolerance of racism, sexism, bigotry of any kind, transphobia, homophobia, classism, and a belief that every American has a basic right to health care and a decent life.

We don't yet know why Trump won other than racism which was obvious. It's being investigated. And he won by such small margins in the states that mattered for him that it bodes well for Democrats.

Yes, the pendulum has swung but the trends of our country becoming more liberal and progressive continues.

by Twentysomethingreply 8104/02/2017

Switch to decaf and read the fucking thread, moron at r81. Four years ago you had people here crowing that the Republicans were dead and we were ushering in a new age of "Democratic hegemony." That is the very definition of the liberal bubble at work. It's why we lost.

by Twentysomethingreply 8204/02/2017
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