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There will never, EVER be another Republican president.

With all the minorities, immigrants streaming in, women, more middle class and lower middle class voting.

That's it. Repubs are done.

by Anonymousreply 22011/06/2014

From your lips to Go's ears.

by Anonymousreply 111/06/2012

*God's*

by Anonymousreply 211/06/2012

Yeah from your lips to God's ears.

by Anonymousreply 311/06/2012

Lindsay Graham was right when he intimated that the GOP is running out of angry white men. You can't win national elections if your spiritual guides are the fundamentalists of Alabama and Mississippi.

by Anonymousreply 511/06/2012

Looking at the Obama rally in Chicago, that IS America. Romney's rally is a sea of white folks. It's depressing.

The Republicans can't rely on the white vote anymore. They're not the majority anymore.

by Anonymousreply 711/06/2012

unless the republican candidate is a minority!

by Anonymousreply 1011/06/2012

Never hoped anyone was right as much as I hope you are, op.

by Anonymousreply 1211/06/2012

The DL freepers are pissed off. Keep it up. Thanks R11, this is the best entertainment I've had in months.

by Anonymousreply 1311/06/2012

R11, how could we ever, ever match the racism on the right? You can now kiss Michelle Obama's ass, which has been commented upon by the wingnuts whose assess you have kissed.

by Anonymousreply 1611/06/2012

Republicans will have a huge internal war over the future of the party.

by Anonymousreply 1711/06/2012

Ha ha, I love the freeper having a big ol' cry in this thread.

by Anonymousreply 1811/07/2012

The Repugs need to rebrand themselves as a fiscally conservative, centrist party, ie dump the Bible Thumpers & Crazies & step away from social issues.

by Anonymousreply 2011/07/2012

[quote]Look out for the GOP in 2016, they have four more years to regroup and rebuild.

LMAO!!

by Anonymousreply 2211/07/2012

[quote]similarly dump the left-wing crazies and racism.

???

by Anonymousreply 2311/07/2012

They will have to abandon the abortion/rape/"deport the brownies" talk.

If they do they can collect more Latino votes.

by Anonymousreply 2411/07/2012

[quote]They will have to abandon the abortion/rape/"deport the brownies" talk.

That's asking a lot of the party of hate. And white Southerners.

by Anonymousreply 2511/07/2012

[quote]The Repugs need to rebrand themselves as a fiscally conservative, centrist party, ie dump the Bible Thumpers & Crazies & step away from social issues.

Do you have any idea how much money they get from the Billy Graham bigots? Millions if not billions. Hard for greedy pigs to walk away from that kind of tax free cash.

by Anonymousreply 2611/07/2012

What we need to do is infiltrate Republican sites and keep telling people the reason Romney didn't win was because he wasn't conservative enough! They just might end up believing it!

by Anonymousreply 2711/07/2012

From your lips to the Go-Go's ears.

by Anonymousreply 2811/07/2012

We are witnessing the end of the Reagan era for the Republican party.

To start winning elections again, they will have to:

1) Let go of "trickle-down" economic policies

2) Let go of divisive social issues that attracted their evangelical/fundamentalist base

It may take several election cycles, but they won't be able to win a presidential election again until they have a strong leader who can fit these criteria.

They will also win in the event Democrats get too much power and screw things up. These things always happen like the swing of a pendulum.

by Anonymousreply 2911/07/2012

I think it will happen because eventually Republicans will offer a more moderate version of the Republican party. They will have no other choice.

It's already been talked about that if Romney lost, the Tea Party would have to be "dealt with."

Plenty of moderate, or simply less than far-right Repugs who know what's up and are sick of being beholden to the far-right will look to create a more viable alternative for the national Republican party. It's just good business. But, they're in for an ugly period of intra-party squabbling.

by Anonymousreply 3111/07/2012

They also have to:

1) Stop running women's lives

2) Stop demonizing gay folks

3) Stop insulting black folks

4) Stop insulting brown folks

5) Figure out how to stop old folks from dying.

That oughta do it!

by Anonymousreply 3211/07/2012

Republicans are on the wrong side of history.

by Anonymousreply 3311/07/2012

As someone who lived through Watergate and thought the Republican Party was dead, I'd suggest you not put money on that proposition.

On CNN tonight, the talking heads discussed what the Republican Party was facing. The term "civil war" came up. They're going to have to face up to the electorate being more moderate than they thought. American women, even Republican women, are not going to vote in candidates who want to outlaw some forms of contraception and/or make idiotic comments about rape. The extreme positions on immigrants, taxes, gay rights and women's rights hurt the Republicans. How quickly they can face up to that will determine how quickly they can find winning candidates. Remember, they didn't just lose the president. They truly fucked up their bid to control the Senate.

by Anonymousreply 3411/07/2012

R34 is spot on. There probably will be another Republican president but only after the aforementioned "civil war" and reformation of the Republican Party as we know it.

by Anonymousreply 3511/07/2012

Excuse me, but Romney only made money at Bain through carving out income tax loopholes. This is a freak who will never admit defeat.

So, expect:

Every polling result will be challenged

Provisional votes will be surveyed

by Anonymousreply 3611/07/2012

That's so funny, OP. On the Poll Troll's thread tonight there was a link to some crazy freeper site. They were actually saying shit like that.

The sky is definitely falling over in Freeperville tonight.

by Anonymousreply 3711/07/2012

I lived through Watergate too, r34, and there is this major difference - to fix that, they had only to renounce a few people, Nixon and his cronies. To fix this, they have to renounce millions of people that they currently consider to be their voting base. A handful of criminals is much easier to shed than a large number of dedicated believers.

by Anonymousreply 3811/07/2012

[quote] They're going to have to face up to the electorate being more moderate than they thought.

Whenever the GOP loses, the pundits say, "The GOP will have to move to the center." But it never happens. It certainly didn't happen after the 2008 election, even though it was pretty clear that someone like Sarah Palin did more harm than good to the GOP brand. It won't happen this time either. I expect the crazies to become even crazier and demand that the GOP nominate a "true conservative" in 2016.

by Anonymousreply 4011/07/2012

[quote] I expect the crazies to become even crazier and demand that the GOP nominate a "true conservative" in 2016.

This.

by Anonymousreply 4111/07/2012

The fiscal conservatives started slinking away from the Republican party when the ankles to jesus crowd started to push their weight around and Romney and many other Republicans surrounded themselves with dangerous kooks.

It became a stampede to the exits when Romney (who believes god lives on the planet Kolob and the garden of Eden was in Missouri) gave the usual snake handlers a real run for who was the looniest.

One former Republican bag man of my acquaintance said that was the last straw - you might as well elect a Scientologist.

He voted a straight Democratic slate feeling that the republican choices offered were "too dimwitted" to be elected to any position of trust.

by Anonymousreply 4211/07/2012

I also think that Republicans will continue to get increasingly conservative and freakishly crazy. That party is lost to reasonable folks. Someone needs to start a viable third party.

by Anonymousreply 4311/07/2012

You are correct, the comments on the Republican forums are calling for an even more right, more conservative candidate for 2016, like they really think this will draw more numbers to them. They've lost all sense of reality. Crazies.

by Anonymousreply 4411/07/2012

"The Repugs need to rebrand themselves as a fiscally conservative, centrist party"

R20 - We already have such a party. It's called the Democratic party.

by Anonymousreply 4511/07/2012

LOL R45

by Anonymousreply 4611/07/2012

For the Freeper in this thread. Could you do me a favor?

by Anonymousreply 4711/07/2012

I think the Repubs have done the same math as the OP, and that's why they've put so much effort into buying and corrupting the media. Faux new, AM radio, Murdoch empire, it all exists to convince ordinay people that the 1% are their benevolent masters.

The Dems/left have nothing to counter that kind of evil genius, of course.

by Anonymousreply 4811/07/2012

We need two sane, competing parties for a healthy democracy. The Republican party needs to be smashed to smithereens so a new one can take its place.

by Anonymousreply 4911/07/2012

WEHT Paul Ryan?

by Anonymousreply 5011/07/2012

Can you imagine this batshit crazy bunch of thugs ever giving up their hatred of freedom and prosperity for anyone but straight, white men up?

There's a reason minorities voted overwhelmingly for Obama. Republicans are the party of hate.

Demographics are against the angry white men and the white women who support them. The Republican party is done outside the South and Midwest. And it's getting weaker in the Midwest.

by Anonymousreply 5111/07/2012

A truly charismatic leader could've cleaned up with this economy, just on the basis of being a good businessman alone. But this was doomed from the start.

May I also say: remember when Molly Ivans famously said next time to listen to her when she said "No more Presidents from Texas"? Well, can we also add "No more Candidates from Massachusetts"? For the Right and the Left, they are disaster. Dukakis, Kerry, this one... they never feel human somehow, they never get specific about how they will fix problems, they always look creepy and in some other superior world. And they ALWAYS lose. Don't even come close.

Unless it's a ghost of JFK... no more. Gay or not, my nightmare is BARNEY FRANK: THE SEQUEL.

by Anonymousreply 5211/07/2012

Perhaps it's time that they realize that their pathetic epidermis alone will not make them richer or healthier.

Only color that matters is green, and most of them have almost none - and that's not Obama's fault. They were failures before he was president and they'll be failures long after he's gone... and that's why Obama is trying to help them now.

by Anonymousreply 5311/07/2012

My friend on Facebook posted something celebrating the win for Obama and some asshole wrote back "sad day for Americans, sad day for America!" and I so wanted to write "which Americans? Which America? Your white, racist, classist, homophobic, upper class America? Because from where I sit, people are celebrating, that's my America."

But I didn't. There's a lot of flame bait out there right now and I'm not going to rise to it. Let them sit in their dirty diapers and cry.

by Anonymousreply 5411/07/2012

Just write back: Sad day for Americans who think a party comes before America itself.

by Anonymousreply 5511/07/2012

As long as the Republicans are dedicated to running on a far right social platform, no, there will never be another Republican president.

by Anonymousreply 5611/07/2012

While people voting for Obama because he was white (and let's be honest, a LOT of them did, whether they admit it or not) SHOULD be ashamed.

Hell, anyone voting for Romney ... a pathological liar, a bully, a craven flip-flopper, an out-of-touch elitist, a cowardly draft-dodger and tax-dodger ... should be ashamed of themselves.

by Anonymousreply 5811/07/2012

"Yes, wonderful, lets kill all the whities."

Huh? WTF?! Not all immigrants are 'yellow", 'brown' or 'black', you illiterate piece of shit.

There are a TON of white immigrants moving to the US. LOTS of Europeans and Russians and well every group of white immigrants you can think of!

Get REAL, you moron!

WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD FREEPER!

by Anonymousreply 5911/07/2012

I actually turned on Fox news after Ohio went to Obama, and Shepard Smith was actually grilling one of the repubs, basically saying they're going to need to reach out to more than rich old white men...I think Ed Gillespie was the repub advisor...and he actually agreed.

And then there's the Tea Party. Hopefully they'll run a 3rd party candidate next time which will further guarantee a Democratic win.

by Anonymousreply 6011/07/2012

R58, you expect a racist to comprehend they're racist?

by Anonymousreply 6111/07/2012

Meant that for R59,

by Anonymousreply 6211/07/2012

The moderate Republicans have the keys to the kingdom but the teabaggers hate them. If the Republicans go even harder to the right, they will crash and burn.

by Anonymousreply 6311/07/2012

[quote] We are witnessing the end of the Reagan era for the Republican party.

[quote] To start winning elections again, they will have to "Let go of divisive social issues that attracted their evangelical/fundamentalist base"

That's the real solution. Dump the fundies.

Fundies were always an odd addition to the Republican fold, and now they're proving to be a liability to Republicans.

Politics is all about coalitions, and Republicans have pulled in big business with fundie evangelicals, with is a totally UNHOLY alliance. It's like oil and water.

Republicans can make a resurgence if they stick to traditional conservative issues, like fiscal conservatism. On social issues, they simply need to evolve.

So many Republicans support gays and gay marriage, but the fundies won't let them. If they dump the fundies and stick to fiscal conservatism and moderate on social issues, they could possibly have a chance. They need to keep up with the times.

I really don't care if we never have another GOPig President, but I'm just a strategic thinker, and this is how they could stand a chance in American politics. But really, who cares?

by Anonymousreply 6411/07/2012

its true the non whites will be the majority eventually and I can't see them voting repub. good riddance

by Anonymousreply 6511/07/2012

I disagree. If they dump the fundies, they will be losing a huge voting block. The popular vote was so close as it is. Without them they wouldn't have a chance.

Taking a moderate approach would be suicide because the number of undecideds and moderate dems they could possibly win back wouldn't make up for the HUGE number of racists, homophobes, anti-choice woman haters, border patrolers, NRA freaks, bible thumpers and People of Walmart they would lose.

They've gotten into bed with these lowlifes and now they're married and can't get a divorce.

by Anonymousreply 6611/07/2012

Never underestimate the Republicans. There was a similar sentiment when Clinton was first elected. Look what happened.

We need to work on a strong candidate for 2016. I know Hillary has been mentioned, and hopefully she will run. But she has said that she is not going to.

The democrats need to keep their base as strong as possible and not get lazy.

by Anonymousreply 6711/07/2012

I think Mitt Romney was warned many times not to select Paul Ryan as his running mate, because he's just another Sarah Palin.

by Anonymousreply 6811/07/2012

Why are conservatives always so bitter in defeat? It's like they don't understand that in a democracy there are options that include them not winning. They're always so down and filled with doom - they can never get behind the will of the people when that will goes against their own.

I remember in 1992 when Clinton first won. I was working the breakfast shift in a 5 star hotel at the time and the executive management all came in and for hours that morning sat around a big table and just MOANED and made their displeasure with the situation (a situation that, in the long run, worked out pretty well for them) as if nobody else existed. A couple of us servers waited on them all morning and they never once considered that maybe we were pleased by the outcome. It never crossed their minds that maybe they were being rude.

You look around the internet this morning and it's the same thing: conservatives preaching gloom and doom. They're right, we're wrong, etc.

What I don't understand is that given the monumental nature of their concerns about EVERYTHING that has gone wrong with this country under the leadership of a BLACK MAN - I don't see how they thought Mitt Romney, with his fucked up, half baked, non-sensical policies was going to be the solution to everything they consider a problem. In their description of everything that is now going to go ABSOLUTELY WRONG, I don't see how Mitt Romney was going to put anything right.

I also think they would've been in a much better place - like something bordering on reality - if they'd just once ACKNOWLEDGED the challenge that President Obama faced going into office. It just beggars belief that these people apparently want us to believe that John McCain would've somehow fared better than Obama. His own party didn't even like him enough to elect him.

And their reflection on the situation? They need to only support TRUE CONSERVATIVES! They need to get more CONSERVATIVE, more isolationist, reject the new America, protect the "traditional" (i.e., WHITE) America for themselves, etc. Now how many people do they think are going to get on board with that? And I don't see mouthpieces like Marco Rubio - brown, yes, and desperate for power - becoming huge stars. I saw him on Meet The Press a few weeks ago and all he did was regurgitate the same inappropriate talking point for every issue. He's not very clever.

The GOP lost last night but more significantly they are a lost party now. People like Limbaugh and Rove have created their own monsters - they'll never pull these people towards the center and with their dwindling numbers, their extreme tea party candidates will only continue to ruin their chances. They keep going on about how they still have the House but the House has the lowest job approval rating in the government and I think people are going to be paying much closer attention to what they're up to and the interests they're supporting. The GOP is on its way to becoming a fringe party. And it's their own fault. They invited the evangelicals into the party in 1980, encouraged them to get political and now just 30 years later their party belongs to a bunch of unelectable extremists.

I mean, my freeper brother stood in line for 90 minutes and then waited for an hour or so standing down front the other day...for Paul Ryan. That's some real loser fringe behaviour. I was going to ask him if he got a boner but I didn't want to be cruel. (Of course he did.)

by Anonymousreply 6911/07/2012

And listening to Fox last nite, the real leaders in the party, they kept saying things like the election loss was not a reflection of our core values, Romeny made tactical errors in his campaign, and when they referenced brining in the hispanics it was said w/outright disgust.

by Anonymousreply 7011/07/2012

That's the point, R45 - to succeed, the Repugs need to Single White Female the Dems & steal their identity!

by Anonymousreply 7111/07/2012

As much as I would like to think that the Republican party is dead, I have to think back to Nixon and Watergate when people said the same thing.

However, this cancerous rot, this disgusting festering decubitus called the Republican Party is less the Nixon Vampire rising from the dead and more of a seething, feeding, mindless Zombie.

We. Shall. See.

by Anonymousreply 7211/07/2012

The party may well change to something completely different. As it has done before. Remember this was the party of Abraham Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt just as the Democrats were the party of segregationist Southerners.

The point is not that we may never have another Republican president.

The point is that hopefully we will never have another president who has very much in common with today's Republicans.

by Anonymousreply 7311/07/2012

I don't remember thinking the Republican party was dead in 1974. Nixon and his White House were tarnished but a lot of Republicans were disgusted by Watergate and I think Ford may have won in 76 had he not pardoned Nixon.

I don't know that they are dead yet, but I don't know how they get back to being viable. They should drop the evangelicals and focus on economic issues. However, they are so much a part of the party now, I don't know how it happens.

by Anonymousreply 7411/07/2012

They don't need to court the evangelicals because the evangelicals have no one else to vote for. They need to rebrand as a single issue party - the economy - and state that all social issues are state responsibility, end of story.

by Anonymousreply 7511/07/2012

R74 and r75 are right: the Republicans must stop kowtowing to the evangelicals. Some freaks might vote for a minute third party, but must of them will be stuck voting for Republicans, because they surely won't vote Democratic. The Republicans successfully used abortion as a wedge issue for many years, but this year they finally went too far. They ran major candidates holding extreme positions on abortion, and look what happened.

And someone really should have told Limbaugh to shut the fuck up when he went after what's her name. They really didn't seem to understand that they could lose Republican women voters by pushing anti-contraception messages.

by Anonymousreply 7611/07/2012

Watergate was not about ideology. It was about corruption.

But you knew that.

by Anonymousreply 7711/07/2012

Umm... as someone who lived through Watergate I have to disagree, R70.

Yes, it was about corruption in part. There were ideological issues as well. When you look at the larger picture, the underlying/overarching issues of the Vietnam War, the sexual revolution, civil rights, women's rights and etc., clearly there was more to the Watergate matter than a botched burglary by the corrupt Committee to Re-elect the President and the Nixon administration.

In politics, as in life, it is rarely just one thing that creates or drives a situation.

by Anonymousreply 7811/07/2012

I think it will be very hard for the Republicans to move to the center. Not only have they gone extremely, crazily right, but they forced the democrats right, too, and the democrats now hold the moderate positions on social issues and business that Republicans USED to hold. That's why someone like Colin Powell supports Obama, not because he's black, but because their views are so similar. If the Republicans went center, what difference would there be between the parties? Despite their talk, there aren't really any liberals left in major politics. Anyone who was truly liberal couldn't get elected anymore, except in liberal bastions mostly on the coasts.

by Anonymousreply 7911/07/2012

If they stop believing all the things that they do now they will just be Democrats anyway.

by Anonymousreply 8011/07/2012

Bill O'Reilly:

by Anonymousreply 8111/07/2012

OP, if Obama's next 4 years turn out to be a bust (and I pray they don't), then you'll see another GOP president, no matter who the Democrats' candidate is. It'll be like Carter paving the way for Reagan.

Barring that, at best the GOP will work harder to play at it's "wolf in sheep's clothing" game where they play down social issues while winking at the evanglicals.

Now, this hasn't always worked in the past, but the GOP will continue trying to have it both ways. Depending on the mood of the country, they could get away with it - think of the number of people who willfully ignored Romney's constant changing of positions on issues.

Yes, there are some in the GOP who would love to dump the Tea Party and so-called "Christian" right-wingers. While I would love to have those jackasses sidelined to a third party, I'll bet the conventional thinking is that those are way too many votes to lose.

by Anonymousreply 8311/07/2012

The Republicans will adapt to the new Demographics somehow. They'll drop hardcore racists to pick up conservative Latinos.

by Anonymousreply 8511/07/2012

Just as a natural pendulum swung between the Democratic-Republicans and the Federalists, and the Democrats and the Whigs?

by Anonymousreply 8711/07/2012

I was thinking about all of the hatred and bigotry we've been exposed to in this election, and then it occurred to me -- someday we will have a presidential election in which NONE of the candidates on the ballot will be straight, white, protestant men.

When that occurs, we will have come a long way toward true EQUALITY. And I look forward to it.

by Anonymousreply 8811/07/2012

R89, I didn't have time to check any media today, but if it makes you feel better to be a name-caller, good for you. I was just intrigued by the idea and wanted to share it.

by Anonymousreply 9011/07/2012

Someday?

by Anonymousreply 9111/07/2012

None of the candidates in this election were straight, white, protestant men.

by Anonymousreply 9211/07/2012

Not true; I remember after Kerry lost to Bush everyone talked about dems being in the "wilderness" because they nominated a bland candidate that could beat a president that presided over Abu Ghraib and a disastrous war - and four years later we had BO who wasn't really on most people's radar at that time (except for the hardcore political junkie types).

I think if they could actually listen to the more moderate voices of their party like Jeb Bush, they could turn things around. So long as the roll out clowns like Rick Santorum, however, they are doomed.

by Anonymousreply 9311/07/2012

If Jebbie is to help out, you need to speak to me first. I call the shots.

by Anonymousreply 9411/07/2012

The country will be a far far far better place!!!!!!!

by Anonymousreply 9510/13/2013

No, there will be, a good bet is half Hispanic George P Bush, Jeb's son, who has a Mexican mother, and is running for Texas Land Commissioner this year. The pendulum always swings eventually, and after a potential 16 years of Obama/Hillary, the longest one party has been in the Oval Office since FDR/Truman, even longer than Reagan/Bush, voters may give him a chance

by Anonymousreply 9707/25/2014

they will have another one probably in a few years when people are tired of the democracts. it always happens. it's great how in america you guys can only have one or the other. land of democracy by sweet ten inch cock.

by Anonymousreply 9807/25/2014

Brown people are merely taking back what is rightfully theirs. Whites are the ones who are here illegally.

by Anonymousreply 9907/26/2014

It's only true if those people voted but they don't. There's enough people in this country that should be voting for every Democrat and where there would never be another Republican elected to national office but people just don't vote. I am 57 and since I first started voting at 18, have never missed an election.

by Anonymousreply 10007/26/2014

I thought it was Karl Rove who said America was running out of old white men.

by Anonymousreply 10207/26/2014

Oops I meant he said the Republicans were running out of them -- but I imagine he believes it's America who needs them. I say good riddance.

by Anonymousreply 10307/26/2014

R101: raise taxes on people making over $200K, like Obama's been saying all these years. And anyway, the deficit is going DOWN, mostly due to Obamacare which is reducing healthcare costs. Or would if the Repubs would quit nixing the cost control measures.

by Anonymousreply 10407/26/2014

[quote]Before yall get too excited, who do you think is going to pay for all the freebies and giveaways.

What freebies and giveaways?

by Anonymousreply 10607/26/2014

It's Republican neo-cons who've wasted literally trillions of dollars invading countries, only to create even more terrorists with their intrusive dangerous actions. Why do Republicans love to spend money killing people but they hate spending money to help poor people in any way whatsoever, whether it's education, job training, Head Start, food stamps, etc. Vicious people.

by Anonymousreply 10907/26/2014

I hate to break it to you guys, but what really determines whether one is a democrat/liberal or republican/conservative is the year you were born and age.

by Anonymousreply 11007/26/2014

Well, the NYT's article got me dead wrong. So there goes that theory!

by Anonymousreply 11107/26/2014

Hate to break it to you R110, but that source where they get that information is Republican propaganda. Read the fine print of the source:

"The Great Society, Reagan's Revolution and Generations of Presidential Voting,"

If that thing were even slightly accurate, Clinton and Obama would never have one the elections.

by Anonymousreply 11207/26/2014

R113 Suck my dick Repug. Just because I outed your fake source is no reason to go on the attach.

Lets dig the hole a little deeper shall we. If you bother to read the sources info, they claim they cross referenced several polls. Guess which polls they sampled? Gallup.

The same Gallup that told FAUX News that Romney was going to win the last election. The same pollster that leans heavily Republican and is most frequently wrong with their predictions.

You can read all about Gallup's "what went wrong" excuse from 2012.

by Anonymousreply 11507/26/2014

What do immigrants have to do with it? You do know you have to be a citizen to vote right? You also know Presidents are not elected by popular vote right? Republicans have quietly restructured voting districts, created laws so it is harder for minorities to vote, and all but ensured they will win landslide victories in the coming elections.

by Anonymousreply 11707/26/2014

R115, thank you for that information. I wasn't aware of those things.

But I stand by the absurdity of your sentiment that if an article does not represent you, then it is false.

Just because someone doesn't agree with you does not make them a Repug. I have been a life-long democrat, occasionally voting for a Republican if I believed they were the better choice.

I think the article is sound, however. I think our decisions are largely formed by our era and age (I would hope for the latter).

by Anonymousreply 11807/26/2014

Yes, agree R116, but that was only because they wanted to win elections. Bill Clinton wanted to be seen as a centrist. But he had to go so far to the right he fell in the pool.

I think the good news is now people can see how bad the Republican ideology is. And now that the Democrats have enough voters, we can start to push back to the left and progressive side of things.

Obama is certainly not far left, but keep in mind, being for gay marriage is still not mentioned on any Republican presidential candidates lips or even their conventions.

Democrats and Republicans are not the same. Don't throw the hunky trick out with the condom.

by Anonymousreply 11907/26/2014

R118, you just did the same thing you accused me of doing. I pointed out errors and flaws with the data, and you say,

"I think the article is sound, however. I think our decisions are largely formed by our era and age"

What facts do you need to see to not think that? As tried to say, just because you think one way dose not make it true for everyone else.

by Anonymousreply 12007/26/2014

Sorry Charlie, ALL indications show that 2016 will be a Democrat. Congress may go Republican because of tricks they have played redistricting so they have more representatives in their favor.

There isn't even a viable Republican candidate yet that could get any of the democratic vote.

by Anonymousreply 12207/26/2014

R125 is a racist fuckhead who seems oblivious that it's the [italic]Republicans[/italic] that are turning this country into a 3rd world banana republic...

by Anonymousreply 12607/26/2014

You may think that the Democrats are currently too conservative but whom would you rather have appointing justices to the Supreme Court.

by Anonymousreply 12707/26/2014

I think Clinton and Obama have done well with their appointments.

Hillary will do the same.

by Anonymousreply 13007/27/2014

Oh, and much as I love Elizabeth Warren, she has no experience. Obama had the same problem the first few years. And now, things are just out of control, though it's not his fault.

I with Hillary.

by Anonymousreply 13107/27/2014

Experience? What president ever has experience? Look at Ronald Reagan, he had plenty of experience and look what a mess he left behind. Literally asleep on the job half the time and taking advice from Nance's Astrologer.

by Anonymousreply 13207/27/2014

Elizabeth Warren is an awesome person, but we need her in the Senate. She has little to no foreign policy experience or connections... which Hillary has in spades.

And then there's the issue of electability. Hillary has it. Warren is an unknown, and might actually lose to a Republican.

by Anonymousreply 13407/27/2014

[quote]Look at Ronald Reagan

You just made my point. He was a fucking disaster.

by Anonymousreply 13607/27/2014

Paul Ryan? Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha. 10,000 dollar bet he will never become president. Not even close, not even in the final top 3 running.

He is a wackadoodle and everyone knows it except for his 1% followers.

by Anonymousreply 13707/27/2014

Historically, the most experience person dose NOT usually win the presidential election.

Just saying.

by Anonymousreply 13807/27/2014

Fun fact: Republicans have lost the popular vote in five of the last six Presidential Elections.

And even in that one, there are significant issues about shenanigans and vote-counting manipulation that might actually mean they didn't even win the popular vote (as recorded) in THAT one.

The OP is right.

There won't be a Republican President again in a long time.

by Anonymousreply 13907/27/2014

The problem for the freepers is that their base of voters and their base of volunteer (GOTV etc.) workers are far-right and/or religious lunatics. They have vilified and purged the moderate Republicans.

They're between a rock and a hard place. If they modify their stance in any direction other than further to the right, their base will bail. If they don't modify their stance and move to the center, the moderates and independents will stay with the Democratic Party.

They have nowhere to go.

by Anonymousreply 14007/27/2014

The real blame for increased healthcare costs is the deliberate delaying of stemcell treatments that would cure many ailments which are currently draining our budgets. We already have cures or near-cures for blindness, heart disease, and a host of other conditions.

They claim it's religious opposition, but I think it's Big Pharma using that as a cover. they're starving these companies, and the FDA is dragging their feet.

by Anonymousreply 14307/28/2014

The Republicans will never go for single payer - NEVER. My god, they think Obamacare is something Karl Marx and Satan invented to destroy America. Single-payer is the commie apocalypse to these idiots.

They're also not going to be able to move their base on marriage equality. Never. Gay marriage is the pervert apocalypse to these idiots.

Immigration and the racism of the right will continue to cost them votes with the ever-increasing-and-more-important Latino constituency. Lord knows Black Americans would have to be brain dead to vote Republican, they will remain with the Democrats.

The hard and stupid line Republicans take on abortion, birth control, health care and education will continue to cost them votes with women, who make up the majority of voters in America. They can't connect with young voters, other than a small bunch of cynical, selfish assholes. The more they threaten Social Security and Medicare, the fewer seniors will vote for them and those that will are dying off.

They're going to take the White House in 2016? We could run the Wile E. Coyote/Elmer Fudd ticket and still beat them.

by Anonymousreply 14507/28/2014

yes

by Anonymousreply 14607/28/2014

[quote] PBS says that Rmoney is currently ahead in the popular vote.

Lol. Um, no.

by Anonymousreply 14707/28/2014

NYT reported just yesterday that the odds of the Republicans taking back both houses of Congress in November, increased to 60%.

Blame Obama's actions on stuff like supporting & encouraging the most recent immigrant invasion, Obamacare's SCOTUS setback & general bad press, Bergdahl, the VA & IRS scandals, his perceived lack of strength in foreign policy, attending almost 400 fundraisers since his re-election, etc...

And it's not even August.

Be ready...the Rs are going to go very negative on Obama in the upcoming election, and tie any & every D to all those issue above.

Case in point: Mary Landrieu of Louisiana was conveniently unavailable to make an appearance with Obama in her state, just a few days ago.

Ds are already seeing being linked to Obama as being toxic to their election campaigns.

It is what it is.

by Anonymousreply 14907/28/2014

Obama has been a savior to the USA. If we were being led by republicans we'd be further in debt, and still wallowing in recession *and* putting war on the credit card! killing people needlessly.

by Anonymousreply 15007/28/2014

Gracie) But George, if we have a child, we have to teach him to be brave and smart and kind and to grow up to be a Democrat.

George) Democrat? Why a Democrat?

Gracie) I want our son to be president.

by Anonymousreply 15107/28/2014

Girl) Tell me a story Aunt Gracie

Gracie) Once upon a time a long time ago

Girl) How long ago

Gracie) Oh a long, long time ago, even before Roosevelt was president

by Anonymousreply 15207/28/2014

George) Well today's election day

Gracie) What's that?

George) Gracie, what happens of the first Tuesday of November every four years for as long as you can remember.

Gracie) Roosevelt's elected

by Anonymousreply 15307/28/2014

George) I can't rehearse today, I'm doing my income tax.

Gracie) What's that

George) It's the money we pay to run the government. Like the army, the navy, Congress, the president...

Gracie) George do the Republicans have to pay President Truman's salary

George) Of course

Gracie) That's really rubbing it in, isn't it?

by Anonymousreply 15407/28/2014

With the right-wingers primary-ing every moderate Republican, they'll end up making any Republican unelectable for a nationwide office. So they'll just go for getting the House and trying to prevent Democratic Presidents from doing anything. They did it with Clinton. They do it with Obama.

In the immortal words of a (white) Southern Baptist preacher in Austin, Texas: "if the Congress can't work with the President to solve the immigration issue with the kids crossing the border, then I say we keep the kids and deport the Congress".

by Anonymousreply 15507/28/2014

George) Well Gracie today's election day

Gracie) What's that?

George) It's the day we all go to the polls and vote for a new president.

Gracie) Ah, ha...yeah right.

by Anonymousreply 15607/28/2014

George) I can't wait for Thanksgiving, I hope you save me a drumstick.

Gracie) Can't do that George, this year all the turkeys have is white meat.

George) How come?

Gracie) If someone moved Thanksgiving up on you, you'd turn all white too.

by Anonymousreply 15707/28/2014

George) Well Gracie,it's our first show of the new season. How's it feel to be back. Soon it'll be autumn, then it'll be Halloween, then Thanksgiving....

Gracie) ...Then it'll be Thanksgiving again.

by Anonymousreply 15807/28/2014

r159= Nader voter.

by Anonymousreply 16007/29/2014

You're right, r160.

Those assholes.

by Anonymousreply 16107/29/2014

Please, r159, educate yourself. If we had a republican the last eight years, we would be further in debt, more veterans, more deaths, more war, more human rights violations. Obama May be a moderate in many areas, but a republican, far from it.

Oh and yes, he has pulled troops from hopeless, republican led Haliburton enriching wars.

by Anonymousreply 16207/29/2014

[all posts by tedious, racist idiot removed.]

by Anonymousreply 16307/29/2014

Immigration or illegal border crossing?

by Anonymousreply 16407/29/2014

r159 is an absolute idiot.

by Anonymousreply 16507/29/2014

You all keep making my point: there is no Democratic Party. It's the not-Republican Party, "not-R", and it will continue to win. The strategy is unbeatable.

by Anonymousreply 16710/19/2014

Green Party could emerge strong in the next few decades.

by Anonymousreply 16810/19/2014

Well, Harper's magazine urges readers to stop Hillary.

If not Hillary, then we truly have nobody.

She has got to run and she has got to find a way to win.

by Anonymousreply 16910/19/2014

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by Anonymousreply 17010/19/2014

R166, is it mandatory that you people be both racist and illiterate? Because it always seems to be the case that they go hand-in-hand.

by Anonymousreply 17110/19/2014

Repugs are the root of all evil in the US, the less they have power the better.

by Anonymousreply 17210/19/2014

No, we need another recession, a stock market crash

vote republican

by Anonymousreply 17310/19/2014

If we were to declare war on Mexico and all the Central American countries that would mean that every illegal immigrant from those countries could be treated as an enemy spy in a time of war, and shot. [1] Every native born American who tried to stop it could be tried for treason for aiding the enemy in a time of war, tried, and then shot. [1]

I think this would change the voter rolls enough to guarantee Republican supremacy for several decades and all it would take is for the Republican party to officially become fascist, instead of merely covertly fascist....

[1] And that would be wrong.

by Anonymousreply 17410/19/2014

No loss, r177, r176 et al... the less of your narrow minded type, the better.

by Anonymousreply 17810/20/2014

The whole political system in this country is being dragged down by the Republican garbage…we have to stop this.

by Anonymousreply 17910/20/2014

I would like to know the median age of the Kos Kids and DU'ers who post here...I am hoping that they are very young, and that there is hope for them to change...but let me tell you something: if you're 30, or even 40, and still screaming "rethug" at anyone who disagrees with you...you need heavy meds.

by Anonymousreply 18010/20/2014

you sound like you know a lot about heavy meds, r180.

by Anonymousreply 18110/20/2014

Don't know if this point's been made, yet, but THE fastest growing demographic is, & will continue to be, old people. And if that group continues to be increasingly conservative I don't think the republicans will continue to be shut out of the presidency.

by Anonymousreply 18210/20/2014

What the fuck have you been smoking, R177.

Maddow would never be appointed to any of those positions!!

by Anonymousreply 18310/20/2014

R182, that's what they thought when the 18-year old got the vote in time for the '72 election. Nixon, though, won the under 21 vote decisively.

by Anonymousreply 18510/20/2014

That was 40+ years ago R185, and the culture has changed, thanks in part to cynicism toward the political process. As noted above, the most reliable voters are older ones. And while they may be "aging hippies," it's documented that people tend to become more conservative as they age.

Combine that with the voter apathy shown by younger people and you have numbers favoring conservative candidates.

Maybe it will take several cycles of having their rights taken away from them for them to realize what progressive and liberal office-holders accomplished.

by Anonymousreply 18610/20/2014

I still don't think Hillary can complete the deal.

by Anonymousreply 18710/20/2014

[quote] And now, things are just out of control...

Describe just how peace and relative prosperity and 40 months of job gains is "pout of control"?

by Anonymousreply 18810/20/2014

The South and interior West have the fastest growing population, and tend to be very conservative.

by Anonymousreply 18910/21/2014

[quote] That was 40+ years ago [R185], and the culture has changed, thanks in part to cynicism toward the political process. As noted above, the most reliable voters are older ones. And while they may be "aging hippies," it's documented that people tend to become more conservative as they age.

We're in agreement, then, about my larger point that a growing older demographic does not bode well for the Dems.

by Anonymousreply 19010/21/2014

R191 is a fucking delusional moron

by Anonymousreply 19210/21/2014

I know a plethora about politics ok. I am "in the loop" as it were. I have contacts throughout the country and I have political operatives who check in with me. There will be another GOP President at some point. They will adjust their policies to get votes. Political parties change -- Democrats used to be party of slavery, for example.

I'll keep updating you with the view of my operatives who are working the hustings throughout the land.

by Anonymousreply 19310/21/2014

[quote]Some people have to work to pay the bills.

And those people have no business voting Republican. Because Republicans don't give a shit about people who actually WORK for a living. Nope. They only care about the top 1%, who have bought the lock, stock, and barrel.

Democrats are the ONLY people trying to help those who actually WORK for a living.

You're a fucking moron, R194. Brainwashed with FOX News lies and RWNJ propaganda. And parroting it back like a mindless tool.

Wake the fuck up.

by Anonymousreply 19510/21/2014

FACT: Republicans have lost the popular vote in 5 of the last 6 Presidential Elections.

Conservatives/Republicans are in the minority. They only took the House due to gerrymandering. Democrats in Congress got over a million more votes than Republicans.

The GOP hates facts like this though.

Doesn't make them any less true.

by Anonymousreply 19610/21/2014

Sad, He was are just two years later, and it now looks like we will have a Republican president come 2016.

by Anonymousreply 19710/29/2014

R194 is either stupid or was presenting a joke post: "I am smart enough to know Republicans don't like giveaways."

by Anonymousreply 19810/29/2014

WHAT I FIND MOST REPUGNENT, IS THE SHEAR IGNORENCE OF MINORITIES.THEY TO ARE JUST AS AMERICAN.IF ONLY THEY COULD OPEN THEIR EYES AND SEE PAST THE DISMAL FUTURE THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY HAS IN STORE.THEY ARE BEING USED FOR AS LITTLE AS THE CHECKS THEY GET EACH MONTH.THAT IN ITSELF IS A FAIRLY CHEAP WAY TO SOCIALIZE THIS PLACE WE ALL CALL AMERICA.WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO WHEN THEY HAVE BROKEN CORPORATE AMERICA.WHEN THE INTITTLEMENTS BECOME GREATER THAN THOSE THAT HAVE ANY INCINTIVE AT ALL TO PRODUCE.SAD.AND THEY THINK I AM THE PROBLEM.IT'S QUITE THE PARADYME.

by Anonymousreply 19911/02/2014

R199 = moronic racist all-caps idiot.

by Anonymousreply 20011/02/2014

Wow, that's a dose of illiterate dementia, r199!

Thanks for providing insight to the republican mind.

by Anonymousreply 20111/02/2014

Only if that were true. But unfortunately there will always be ignorant, uninformed, racist, sexist, masoginistic, selfish, hypocrits in the United States, in fact almost 50% of the poulace.

by Anonymousreply 20211/02/2014

I'm convinced that the Koch Brothers have gone underground and are trying to influence politics starting at the grassroots level through organizations like the "Kansas Leadership Center." I've been horrified to see how--in the space of one year--a university in Kansas (shall remain nameless) has completely become a puppet and conduit for everything the KLC is "teaching" about leadership. This university is basing its new strategic plan and mission and vision statements completely off of KLC-speak. The commencement speaker was Ed O'Malley, CEO of the KLC. The university received a million dollar grant to target gifted students, with the central theme being to "infuse the curriculum" with leadership teachings from the KLC.

I feel pretty certain the KLC is a front for the Koch brothers, but have no idea how to prove it. I just can't believe how this is happening without anyone questioning it. I'm so sick of hearing about the KLC's philosophies on "adaptive leadership" and "leadership for the common good," because I already know that whatever they're spouting is not genuine and is attached to an agenda. I think this is a sinister pattern that is starting in Kansas and could spread a lot further before anyone catches on... I've never been one for conspiracy theories, but I'm witnessing this weirdness firsthand and I know how evil the players are.

by Anonymousreply 20311/02/2014

Actually, the polls show quite the opposite, r205. What is huge is your delusion. Regressive minds are what holds back humanity from achieving humane harmony.

by Anonymousreply 20611/02/2014

[quote]Social conservatism still wins Republicans elections in much of the nation.

This along makes me weep for humanity. Basically "social conservatism" is "racist white male privilege with no restrictions". It's disgusting and awful.

Never mind that all the politicians spewing their ignorant "social conservative" policies routinely break them all. They get divorced and remarried endlessly, they cheat on their spouses, they get hush-hush abortions for their wives, mistresses, and daughters, while hanging out and blowing guys in men's bathrooms.

It's systemic, habitual hypocrisy.

The "social conservatives" are also constantly and consistently on the wrong side of history. They ALWAYS lose. They fought against giving women the vote. They lost. They fought against allowing interracial marriage. They lost. They fought against same-sex marriage. They're losing badly. They fought against integration. They lost. They fought to preserve slavery. They lost.

They ALWAYS LOSE.

by Anonymousreply 20711/03/2014

R204, why on earth would you think that's a good thing? Why would that make you happy? What do you think you'll gain?

by Anonymousreply 20811/03/2014

There will never ever ever be...whoops there it is!

by Anonymousreply 21011/06/2014

I believe in giving criminals a second chance but seriously Florida, the governor's mansion is a bit much.

No republican will be president, ever. The scrutiny will never pass nationally.

by Anonymousreply 21211/06/2014

KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP) — State capitols across the country will be more Republican than at any point since the Roaring '20s when victorious legislators and governors take office next year. That could result in lower taxes and perhaps fewer dollars flowing to social safety net programs.

by Anonymousreply 21311/06/2014

[quote] There will never, EVER be another Democratic congress.

It seems to me I've heard that song before

by Anonymousreply 21511/06/2014

Now we really see who the GOP is, they are cruel to want to take Healthcare from millions of people.

No republican will be president, ever. The scrutiny will never pass nationally.

by Anonymousreply 21711/06/2014

Republicans hate that n*gger Obama.” — “Anthony,” C-SPAN caller from San Diego.

This is who voted Tuesday... The reasonable people stayed at home.

by Anonymousreply 21811/06/2014

R200 made my ENTITTLEMENTS hard!

by Anonymousreply 21911/06/2014

[quote]The reasonable people stayed at home

Which, ironically, is not at all a reasonable thing to have done.

by Anonymousreply 22011/06/2014
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