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Who were some of the lesbians from the classic days of Hollywood?

We always talk about the guys, what about the ladies? Name names, please.

by Anonymousreply 14111/14/2015

Garbo and Dietrich were both confirmed bisexuals, although Garbo didn't have much sex with anyone. Dietrich would've shagged a rusty nail.

Joan Crawford apparently muff-dived when she was horny/drunk enough, but she preferred men.

Claudette Colbert was outed after her death.

Barbara Stanwyck and Katharine Hepburn were both probably dykes or at the very least switch-hitters with a STRONG preference for pussy.

by Anonymousreply 110/24/2012

Bette Davis on lesbians: "I have nothing against lesbians, I've known quite a few, but Christ if I ever woke up in the morning to a pair of tits in my face I would just about DIE!"

by Anonymousreply 210/24/2012

Agnes Moorehead. Last name non withstanding.

by Anonymousreply 310/24/2012

I don't know of any, but I hope this thread takes off.

by Anonymousreply 410/24/2012

Ethel Merman

by Anonymousreply 510/24/2012

Mary Martin

Janet Gaynor

Spring Byington

Marjorie Main

Hattie McDaniel

by Anonymousreply 610/24/2012

Nazimova

Pola Negri

Miriam Hopkins was bi

by Anonymousreply 710/24/2012

Mary Wickes

Ann B. Davis

Nancy Kulp

Bea Arthur

by Anonymousreply 810/24/2012

Patsy Kelly

by Anonymousreply 910/24/2012

About Nazimova:

The Garden of Allah

Our story in Hollywood starts with Alla Nazimova, silent movie star, silent movie producer, ultra-dramatic stage actress, cinematic visionary, conspicuously lesbian social magnet, former concert violinist, and accomplished international liar / effective self-publicist. When sound arrived, Nazimova perceived that financial diversification might be good, so she converted her well-situated 1921 mansion estate into a three and a half acre semi-tropical hangout. She retained a private apartment upstairs in her former mansion, with the bottom story converted into a restaurant and bar.

The property became a complicated and romantic collection of Spanish-style bungalows and detached apartments, 25 villas were constructed around the pool. Cheap, yes, but designed with drama and scale. And of course Nazimova kept the pool; shaped like the Black Sea. This was January, 1927.

Nazimova's lesbian tatting circle and the financially catastrophic pursuit of her cinematic vision are tempting but off-topic. She'd played opposite Valentino as Camille! Valentino married two of her ex-girlfriends with a brief sloppy overlap for which he was jailed for bigamy! She studied in Moscow with Stanislavsky! No, no, to stay on-topic, the important thing is that her Garden of Allah was bankrupt within a year. It was taken over by an outside operator who raised the rents. Nazimova stayed. As a tenant.

by Anonymousreply 1010/24/2012

How about the only one that got outed in her own time? "Queen of film noir" Lizabeth Scott.

[quote]Scott’s career was later dented by “scandal” because, as Muller put it, Offscreen, Liz reserved the pillow talk for other women.

[quote]Scott had been “outed” by Confidential Magazine back in the 1950s. She sued the magazine, but lost.

by Anonymousreply 1110/24/2012

Merman was not lesbian but she had no problem outing Mary Martin and Jacky Susann who had a huge crush on her.

by Anonymousreply 1210/24/2012

Joan Crawford was bisexual and apparently Marilyn was too.

I've also heard that Elizabeth Taylor was bisexual.

by Anonymousreply 1310/24/2012

Wasn't Esther Williams rumored to be gay as well?

I can't remember her name but that absolutely gorgeous Slovakian_American actress from the late 40's who looked a lot like Lauren Bacall had rumors around her as well.

by Anonymousreply 1410/24/2012

Hedy Lamarr and Ilona Massey were a couple like Cary Grant and Randolph Scott.

by Anonymousreply 1510/24/2012

I'm pretty sure Simone Simon also lived with Lamarr and Massey but moved out.

by Anonymousreply 1610/24/2012

Mercedes de Acosta, Dorothy Arzner

by Anonymousreply 1710/24/2012

Marlene

by Anonymousreply 1810/24/2012

R14, I think you mean Lizabeth Scott. She was a mousy little thing with a lisp. The lisp may have helped with cunnilingus but no way was she the rival to Bacall like the movie studio had hoped.

And yeah, Dorothy Arzner did. Crawford bragged about Arzner's alleged crush on her.

The actress Una Munson, best known for playing Belle Watling in Gone With the Wind, preferred tending to the ladygarden as well...

by Anonymousreply 1910/24/2012

Nina Mae McKinney

Charlotte Greenwood

Jane Darwell (Ma Joad)

by Anonymousreply 2010/24/2012

Imogene Coca?

by Anonymousreply 2110/24/2012

For the record, Ethel Merman and Mary Martin finally became good friends in the last years of their lives. Martin visited Merman in the hospital and at home during her final illness, and kept in constant with Merman's son Bob.

by Anonymousreply 2210/24/2012

Sorry to hijack the post but would someone please start a post for me about inheriting jewelry from my mom? I need a good dose of DL wisdom. *gulp*

by Anonymousreply 2310/24/2012

Judy Garland was rumored to have had an affair with Kay Thompson, Liza's godmother.

by Anonymousreply 2410/24/2012

Created, R23.

by Anonymousreply 2510/25/2012

Jean Arthur

Kay Francis

Bebe Daniels

Anne Todd

Ruth Chatterton

Ina Claire

Jane Withers

by Anonymousreply 2610/25/2012

Doesn't Tallulah Bankhead count as classic Hollywood dahlings?

by Anonymousreply 2710/25/2012

My favorite Hollywood lesbian is Lilyan Tashman. She died young and most of her movies aren't shown but if you can find GIRLS ABOUT TOWN, she's a hoot. And I guess she was quite open and predatory about her pursuits too.

by Anonymousreply 2810/25/2012

Does Liza count? She did after all debut in ITGOS with her mother.

by Anonymousreply 2910/25/2012

Can ANY of these claims be substantiated, except by rumor or innuendo? I know the facts about Garbo, Dietrich, Scott,Ann B. Davis, Nancy Kulp, Nina Mae McKinney, Hattie McDaniel, these women have been proven to be lesbian. The other names are just speculation and rumor with no basis in fact. We keep seeing the same names over and over which perpetuates the rumor until it is believed to be true but there is no research done or fact revealed. SO STOP IT!

by Anonymousreply 3010/25/2012

[quote]The lisp may have helped with cunnilingus

I can atthure you, it doth.

by Anonymousreply 3110/25/2012

Nice thread...love that about Lilyan, I had never heard about her.

by Anonymousreply 3210/25/2012

Judy Canova and Ann Sheridan had a thing. I think Ann was a Lesbian and Judy might have been BI.

by Anonymousreply 3310/25/2012

Lena Horne had a big crush on friend Ava Gardner, hung out with lezes Kay Thompson and Nancy Sinatra Sr (yes), was married to a gay man and in love with another (Billy Strayhorn)...It's possible she did not start same sex affairs till later, but most people believe she and Ava got it on more than once.

by Anonymousreply 3410/25/2012

Ann B. Davis is still alive. She must be 90 years old now.

by Anonymousreply 3510/25/2012

Edith Head

by Anonymousreply 3610/25/2012

Ann B. Davis is a TV character actress. She was not from the "classic days of Hollywood."

by Anonymousreply 3710/25/2012

What gay man was Lena Horne married to?!

by Anonymousreply 3810/25/2012

Mercedes McCambridge

by Anonymousreply 3910/25/2012

Lennie Hayton, r38. She supported him financially until his death. He drank himself to death in her Palm Springs house, while she lived in NYC and sometimes in another Calif house.

by Anonymousreply 4010/25/2012

Never heard Lennie Hayton was gay.

by Anonymousreply 4110/25/2012

Janet Gaynor, who had a lavender marriage with Adrian.

by Anonymousreply 4210/25/2012

Lena's biographer said that "everyone" he spoke with said Lennie was gay.

by Anonymousreply 4310/25/2012

I love this about Lilyan Tashman and from wikipedia no less!--

[quote]In Hollywood, she was known to initiate sex in rest rooms with women of all ages, and, if repulsed, would forge ahead with a promise of complete silence on the matter and assurances that such sexual activity was common and very pleasureable. In 1928, Tashman was introduced to Greta Garbo and began a relationship with her the same day.

by Anonymousreply 4410/25/2012

Lilyan Tashman was terrific - sad she died so young.

by Anonymousreply 4510/25/2012

The great character actress Mary Wickes was a lesbian; it was more or less confirmed after she died in the 1990s.

by Anonymousreply 4610/25/2012

Kay Francis? Really?

by Anonymousreply 4710/25/2012

What's the proof on Lena and Ava?

by Anonymousreply 4810/25/2012

Irene Sharaff, Costume Designer of the Arthur Freed Unit.

Her tape measure and the things she could do with it were legendary.

by Anonymousreply 4910/25/2012

R49, that makes absolutely no sense. To be funny you have to make a little sense.

by Anonymousreply 5010/25/2012

Louise Brooks was bisexual...She had an affair with Peggy Fears. Also, r2 said Joan Crawford preferred man, but she was truly bisexual, and had many, MANY female lovers.

Lest we forget....Tallulah Bankhead was a bisexual with a preference foe the ladies: "My father warned me about liquor and men, but he never said a WORD aqbout cocaine and women!"

by Anonymousreply 5110/25/2012

Where's the PROOF??? The PROOF??? PROOF PROOF PROOF?????

by Anonymousreply 5210/25/2012

Isn't it true that that one of the reasons between the Crawford-Davis feud was because Joan hit on Bette, but Bette rebuffed her advances? Didn't Bette say something about it? Or did I totally make that up?

by Anonymousreply 5310/25/2012

Yes, that's in some ridculous book, r53. I don't believe it. It would have happened in the 1940s, they were at different studios, never socialized, etc.

BTW, did you know it was Joanie that cornered Lena Horne at a party in 1946 and told her she should apologize to L.B. Mayer to get off suspension? Wonder what else she said, like, why don't you come over to my place? (Lena wrote the L.B. Mayer part in her autobiography).

Re: Lena and Ava, that's been a rumor almost forever. Sinatra apparently believed it because he started hating Lena when he started going with Ava. Just like he began hating Artie Shaw after he got with Ava.

by Anonymousreply 5410/25/2012

"Joan Crawford was bisexual and apparently Marilyn was too."

If you're talking about Marilyn Monroe, then you're mistaken. There have been many, many biographies about Marilyn Monroe, many of them very well-researched and well-documented, and they reveal Marilyn to be a raging heterosexual. She was a man's woman. She may have had a semi-lesbian relationship with an acting coach she had named Natasha Lytess. Lytess was definitely in love with her. But if there was anything like that between them it didn't mean anything to Marilyn; she never sought sex with other women. That's a fact.

Of course, there's the completely unsubstantiated tale that Marilyn had a one night stand with Joan Crawford and that her pussy-eating was so spectacular that Joan screamed in ecstacy and wanted more, more, more. But one night was enough, and Marilyn never ate Joan's pussy again, which caused Joan to hate her ever after. Actually Joan Crawford couldn't stand Monroe, much less have had sex with her. She was jealous as hell of Marilyn, who was young and gorgeous and lusted after by all men (Joan was middle-aged by then). Joan ever went so far as to denounce Marilyn publicly when Marilyn showed up at an awards show in a gown that left little to the imagination. Joan may have had some lesbo affairs but I doubt she had one with Marilyn Monroe.

Some "actor" named Ted Jordan put out a book claiming that he and young Marilyn had a hot affair and remained friends until her death. He says that Marilyn was a nympho who couldn't get enough of cock OR pussy. Why should anybody believe him? I sure don't.

I recall a blurb about some recent book, written by a woman, that put forth the notion that Marilyn Monroe, despite her endless affairs with men, was in fact a lesbian. The book must have came and went pretty fast, because I never heard of it again after that.

by Anonymousreply 5510/25/2012

Richard Burton once stated, "all actors are bisexual"

by Anonymousreply 5610/25/2012

Then there's the rumor that what finally ended Ava's marriage to Sinatra was him coming home to find her in bed - with LANA TURNER.

And of course Lana's daughter Cheryl Crane (the murderess) is an out lesbian....

by Anonymousreply 5710/25/2012

And in his bio of her, William J. Mann outed not only Kate Hepburn but also Spencer Tracy.

by Anonymousreply 5810/25/2012

Barbara Stanwyck pinged into outer space.

by Anonymousreply 5910/25/2012

Going way back, the beautiful Maude Adams. A very beautiful actress, that insisted on living her life her way. The movie Somewhere In Time was said to be based on her. Not in the romance department but her background, personalilty and career.

Datalounge should know all about her. She was a brave woman for her time.

by Anonymousreply 6010/25/2012

I was somewhat concerned that this thread wasn't going to take off. More lesbian stories please.

by Anonymousreply 6110/25/2012

R60 can you tell us more about Maude?

The Wiki wasn't detailed...and how did you get to know about her?

by Anonymousreply 6210/25/2012

Maude Adams

[quote] She died, aged 80, at her summer home, Caddam Hill, in Tannersville, New York, and is interred in the cemetery of the Sisters of the Cenacle, Lake Ronkonkoma, New York.

I've been to the Cenacle. My mother used to buy prayer cards there for dead people. I'd heard it was donated to the nuns by "a famous actress in silent movies," but didn't know her name.

Over the years a working class suburb has grown all around the once woodsy rural area. It's funny because you are driving in this typical Lawn Guyland working class suburb of split levels on small lots and all of a sudden you turn onto grounds with this huge old mansion. It's a startling contrast.

by Anonymousreply 6310/25/2012

About Maud Adams. I came across a picture of her, googled her, and found her fascinating. I also like reading about that time in history.I know there's a book about her, always said I was going to find it. Have not yet. But she was a very interesting and talented actress.

Peter Pan was her biggest role. Most of her plays were written by James Barrie. But at one point of time, she was the best known actress in America. Other cast and crew described her as very kind and considerate to all. But at the height of it all, she was very solitary. Her agent was that famous guy that went down with the Lusitania. (So famous I can't remember his name!) But the agent in Somewhere In Time is based on him.

Here's a link to one piece that discusses her possible sexuality. I think she sought solace with religion but eventually lived what she was. She was buried with her long time companion.

You Tube has a nice tribute to her. She was beautiful, timeless. As Peter Pan she was also very believable.

by Anonymousreply 6410/25/2012

That certainly puts a spin on her role as 'Octopussy'! Didn't realize she'd died. Bruce Dern claimed their sex scenes weren't simulated for the film 'Tatoo'.

by Anonymousreply 6510/25/2012

What I heard about Maude Adams was that she was a fabulously wealthy silent movie actress who would like to have become a nun but could not bring herself to convert to Catholicism. She liked Catholic retreats, but didn't like the trappings of catholicism.

by Anonymousreply 6610/25/2012

One of my professors acted for Maude Adams when she was on the faculty at Stephens College. He said because Stephens College was a women's college, local young men were invited to play the roles. I bet he had no idea he was working with a legend!

by Anonymousreply 6710/25/2012

[quote]Where's the PROOF??? The PROOF??? PROOF PROOF PROOF?????

The proof is in the bread pudding.

by Anonymousreply 6810/25/2012

Maude Adams was a great stage star at the turn of the last century. Another great lesbian stage star was Katharine "Kit" Cornell, who was huge on the stage in the first half of the twentieth century. She only made one film - "Stage Door Canteen", where she does a scene as Juliet with a GI Romeo - she was over 50 at the time.

But onstage she was supposedly magical, playing Juliet, and Elizabeth Barrett Browning, Shaw's St. Joan, and Candida (casting the young Marlon Brando in his first major stage role), and many more great roles of the theater.

She was married to Guthrie McClintic, who was her director, and it was very much a "lavender" marriage - both were openly gay.

And then of course there was Eva Le Gallienne....

by Anonymousreply 6910/25/2012

Wow R64... Thank you.

by Anonymousreply 7010/25/2012

And of course another lavender marriage - Lunt and Fontanne.

by Anonymousreply 7110/26/2012

Merman when asked if she had sex with women: "Please! I can't stand to even look at my OWN in the bathtub!"

by Anonymousreply 7210/26/2012

"f you're talking about Marilyn Monroe, then you're mistaken."

Is this insecurity or stubbornness? Cool down. What you don't want to understand is that women who are extremely sexual, especially in Hollywood, usually have bisexual experiences -- it's the norm. If Marilyn didn't have numerous bisexual experiences it would be unusual; no biographer would be able to name each partner because they were probably one time/casual partners.

That being said, I don't believe Marilyn ever got with Joan Crawford. I also believe that Marilyn was mentally ill, and know she was abused as a child and acted out sexually.

There's no reason to go into a tizzy because someone "accused" dearest Marilyn of bisexuality. Really, on a gay msg board, LOL.

by Anonymousreply 7310/26/2012

Why was Lizabeth Scott outed? Does anyone know? It seems those kind of things are political more than anything else, like when Tab Hunter was outed to protect Rock Hudson.

Was she 'traded in' for a larger name? OR did she piss someone off?

by Anonymousreply 7410/26/2012

Ona Munson (who played Belle Watling in "Gone With the Wind") was bisexual, and had affairs with Alla Nazimova and Mercedes D'Acosta (the greatest lesbian starfucker evah!).

by Anonymousreply 7510/26/2012

I would guess that Lizabeth Scott was outed because they could out her - the studio didn't care, that is, if she was under contract to a studio by the time she was outed.

by Anonymousreply 7610/26/2012

Liza's interview from The Advocate, 1996. You can find it on Google Books.

by Anonymousreply 7710/26/2012

Lesbian Liza was very clever talking about her sexuality as if it was adolescent folly.

by Anonymousreply 7810/26/2012

Film noir were B movies. The studios wouldn't care about a B actress the way they would care about an A lister. And if she was getting older, the studio would figure she didn't have many roles coming up, so why not cut her loose.

by Anonymousreply 7910/26/2012

R78 Plus, it's quite interesting that she finds straight men who enjoy watching two women together 'rather homosexual', but she doesn't apply the same rule to herself.

by Anonymousreply 8010/26/2012

R65

Maude Adams (1872–1953).

Maud Adams (born 1945), the Bond girl, is still alive.

by Anonymousreply 8110/26/2012

"And in his bio of her, William J. Mann outed not only Kate Hepburn but also Spencer Tracy."

Like so many unsubstantiated biographies that "out" long dead celebrities, William J. Mann's book is mostly speculation. Some reviewers on Amazon had this to say:

"for a biographer to come up with a 'theme', i.e. homosexuality/asexuality and run with it - in this case run with it far beyond any possible interest. Mann repeats his point about everyone in Hepburn's world being one or the other so often it is truly tedious. Spencer Tracy arrives on the page and you are simply waiting until he is outed too, which, of course, is not a long wait."

"I will not talk about Hepburn's sexuality, because the only person who knew for sure is dead. Instead, I will point out that this book makes many factual errors. It claims that Hepburn had a hysterectomy, ignoring the fact that Hepburn mentions having her period in 1951, eighteen years after the supposed surgery. It gets Spencer Tracy's drinking habits entirely wrong- he was a binge drinker, not a regular drinker. The author uses a witness, Scotty, who has said before that he has lied to biographers. Mann also takes comments out of context and manipulates them to suit his own purposes."

"Add to this ennui, is William J. Mann's real enthusiasm: His agenda for "outing" his subject and her friends. If supported by fact, his so called homosexual "sensitivity", could awaken some interest. Unfortunately for the reader, he fails on this too. Mann plays a game of smoke and mirrors. There are no demonstrable facts to back up his assumptions. His skills as a writer are employed in the pursuit of the non-existent. It's a fatuous and boring game. What remains, is a book about Mann himself, and this is not an interesting enough subject, for readers to spend all the time to plow through 532 pages. The book mistitled as "Kate", should honestly and logically be retitled "Mann"."

by Anonymousreply 8210/26/2012

Dorothy Arzner was Hollywood's first, and to this day one of its only, female directors. She began as a film editor at MGM in the 1920s and earned a lot of accolades for the quality of her work. She all but demanded to direct films, and because she was such a top-notch editor LB Mayer gave her the go-ahead to do it, and she had an acclaimed and successful directorial career throughout the late 20s and 30s. Arzner retired from directing in the early 40s for unknown reasons. She later taught film at UCLA. Dorothy and Joan Crawford were close friends for decades. Crawford was totally pro-gay in an era when that was unheard of and had lots of gay and lesbian friends throughout her life. Here's Dorothy and Joan in the 30s. As you can see, Dorothy was quite the handsome butch gal.

by Anonymousreply 8310/26/2012

More Dorothy and Joan.

by Anonymousreply 8410/26/2012

Alla Nazimova gave Dorothy Arzner her first job in Hollywood as a "script girl" on her movie "Stronger than Death";)

by Anonymousreply 8510/26/2012

r82, Amazon reviewers still think Rock Hudson was mostly straight. Amazon reviewers think Cary Grant was only "confused" when he acted out sexuality with Randolph Scott. Amazon reviewers are offended that ANY favorite star alive or dead could be "accused" of homosexuality.

Next.

by Anonymousreply 8610/26/2012

At R64's link--

[quote]on Maude Adams: “She was a lesbian, a well known fact in acting circles, but well concealed as was the way in those days. Allegedly preferring women younger than she, Adams had a brief affair with actress Spring Byington , another more meaningful relationship with actress Katharine Cornell and a reportedly passionate yet brief affair with actress Eva Le Gallienne. Two of her most noted lovers was poet and writer Mercedes de Acosta, and actress Alla Nazimova.”

This is a very interesting thread, thanks everyone.

by Anonymousreply 8710/26/2012

"Amazon reviewers still think Rock Hudson was mostly straight. Amazon reviewers think Cary Grant was only "confused" when he acted out sexuality with Randolph Scott. Amazon reviewers are offended that ANY favorite star alive or dead could be "accused" of homosexuality.

Next."

Some of them do. But a lot of them are intelligent enough to know that a lot of biographers are full of shit, especially when it comes to the sexuality of dead celebrities. Proclaiming a celebrity gay sells books, even if there's no real evidence to support that assumption.

by Anonymousreply 8810/26/2012

R88, Mann's book didn't sell. Outing Hepburn is not what his book's about -- it's a biography, and it discusses what had to be discussed, although you didn't like that much. "Real evidence" would mean Hepburn herself or someone that slept with her would say she was gay, and that's not going to happen with old stars, dead or alive.

by Anonymousreply 8910/26/2012

My favorite les story is one told by Frank Sinatra's valet from the 50s until about 1969 in a book he published about 8 or 10 years ago.

He was instructed by Frank to go to his Palm Springs house and take care of his guests one weekend- the guests were Marlene and Garbo. He was thrilled of course, and professional of course... but was amazed one night to happen out near the pool and find the two naked in the pool- Garbo comes out and lies back in a chaise, Deitrich follows and goes down on her and they run giggling into the house.

Doubt very much Marilyn did anything with women or Elizabeth Taylor. Both were pretty voracious man lovers far as I can tell- and both loved gay men like a lot of women in Hollywood.

by Anonymousreply 9010/26/2012

Was Mercedes McCambridge gay? She is dead, isn't she?

by Anonymousreply 9110/26/2012

Dietrich and Garbo never even met one another, never mind dined at the Y together.

Dietrich told her daughter EVERYTHING, and Maria Riva has gone on record that Dietrich and Garbo never met. There are also other sources for that as well.

by Anonymousreply 9210/26/2012

True, r92. Hear that charlie know-it-all? Btw, one can be a "voracious man lover" and still have the occasional affair with the same sex.

by Anonymousreply 9310/26/2012

"Btw, one can be a "voracious man lover" and still have the occasional affair with the same sex."

Not everyone is gay or bi. I doubt that Marilyn Monroe or Elizabeth Taylor or Ingrid Bergman or Vivien Leigh or Jean Harlow or Grace Kelly or Bette Davis, to name a few, ever had the urge to "have the occasional affair with the same sex." They were all heterosexual women, some of them voraciously so, and there's nothing in their lives that would indicate they ever sought out lesbo sex.

Marlene Dietrich, on the other hand, would fuck anything male or female. She's an extreme example of a Hollywood bi-sexual. But according to her daughter she didn't even like sex! She told her she liked it when she went to bed with a man who turned out to be impotent, because then she could just snuggle with him and "be cozy."

by Anonymousreply 9410/26/2012

Weren't there some tapes that supposedly featured Marilyn talking about hooking up with Joan Crawford, R94?

The other people on this thread working overtime to shut down any speculation about anything remotely gay are boring and can gtfo.

by Anonymousreply 9510/26/2012

"Not everyone is gay or bi.

Oh really? They are at the DL.

"I doubt that Marilyn Monroe or Elizabeth Taylor or Ingrid Bergman or Vivien Leigh or Jean Harlow or Grace Kelly or Bette Davis ever had the urge to "have the occasional affair with the same sex."

That's your opinion, you know nothing, you're just guessing. Guess away, so will I. Viven Leigh, being bi-polar, yes. Monroe, yes. I would doubt Taylor, Davis, Kelly. That's my opinion.

"They were all heterosexual women...and there's nothing in their lives that would indicate they ever sought out lesbo sex."

A man would never understand how many heterosexual women love a little, as you derisively call it, "lesbo sex," now and then.

This thread is full of scared homosexuals who are afraid of their favorite female stars getting a little female action on the side. These are the same gays that defend George Clooney as gay or bi because of rumors they swear they've heard. There are dead male celebs they say the same thing about where there is no proof, just speculation. Double standard much?

by Anonymousreply 9610/27/2012

"Weren't there some tapes that supposedly featured Marilyn talking about hooking up with Joan Crawford"

There was an old guy named John Miner who claimed that Marilyn's last psychiatrist let him listen to tapes of her psychiatric sessions with him. He said he took notes. There's no proof any such tapes existed; his story cannot be verified in any way. You just have to take it on "faith." The Marilyn revealed by these "tapes" is a caricature of a slutty, brainless bimbo. She sounds like a man's idea of what Marilyn Monroe would sound like during a psychiatric session. The whole Joan Crawford/Marilyn Monroe sex scene derives from these "tapes." Miner also has Marilyn speaking about her friendship (not sexual) with Mae West. There's just one problem with that: Mae West and Marilyn Monroe never met. The tapes were obviously bogus, an old man's attempt to achieve money and immortality by claiming to unearth deep, dark secrets about the spectacular, iconic Marilyn Monroe.

by Anonymousreply 9710/27/2012

"A man would never understand how many heterosexual women love a little, as you derisively call it, "lesbo sex," now and then."

You're deluding yourself, hon. No heterosexual woman has even "a little" lesbian sex. Only bi or gay women have sex with other women.

As for Vivien Leigh...well, being bi-polar doesn't make you bi-sexual. When in her manic phases she sought out cock, not pussy. And Marilyn Monroe has got to be one of the most UN-gay celebrities on record.

by Anonymousreply 9810/27/2012

I speak from experience, hon. Or should I say, frightened gay. You don't know anything about women, darling.

by Anonymousreply 9910/27/2012

Using anecdotal evidence to make generalizations about an entire sex is incredibly ignorant.

by Anonymousreply 10010/27/2012

Despite what Mama told Maria, the idea that Dietrich and Garbo never met is patently absurd.

Not only did they travel in the same circles in 30s Hollywood - Mercedes de Acosta and Salka Viertel's homes, not to mention The Garden of Allah (Nazimova), but as a young girl Dietrich was an extra in several silent films Garbo made in Berlin in the 1920s before both came to America.

by Anonymousreply 10110/27/2012

Not me, buster. Pussy never interested me--'cept mine when Bogie or Cooper were bangin' away at it--and always taking too long.

by Anonymousreply 10210/27/2012

There is a new interesting book about the old timey lesbians. A good review here from Terry Castle

by Anonymousreply 10310/30/2012

"You don't know anything about women, darling."

You don't have to know anything about women to know that heterosexual women don't eat pussy and don't want to get their pussies licked by someone of their own sex. Maybe that's a fantasy of yours: a "straight" woman who succumbs to the delights of lesbianism whenever the opportunity presents itself. Yes, I suspect that's a very vivid fantasy of yours.

by Anonymousreply 10410/30/2012

An interesting review of an interesting book, R103. I subscribe to the print edition of the London Review of Books, but I'm glad you posted this.

by Anonymousreply 10510/30/2012

R104 -- you prove my point.

by Anonymousreply 10610/30/2012

A lot of straight women I know do not like gay men!!

by Anonymousreply 10710/30/2012

r26, Bebe Daniels and Ruth Chatterton? First I've read... One thing is for sure, the sexuality of most of the women mentioned here was up in the air, like Kay Francis. We will never really know because they didn't know themselves. It was the time period dahlings.

by Anonymousreply 10810/30/2012

Garbo was gay? Wha??

I don't blame Lena Horne for being in love with Billy Strayhorn (if it's true), I would be too. Lush life.

by Anonymousreply 10910/30/2012

My impression of Garbo from everything I’ve read is that she went with whoever could do her the most good at the time, whether that be Maurice Stiller, Salka Viertel, Mercedes de Acosta, Cecil Beaton, George Schlee, Cecile de Rothschild, Sam Green, etc. She may have thrown any or all the occasional pity fuck to keep them beholden to her.

by Anonymousreply 11010/30/2012

[quote] Garbo was gay? Wha?? [quote]

Well, she DID suck my cock, dahling!

by Anonymousreply 11110/31/2012

R110, Cecil Beaton??? You really believe that? Its one of the biggest laughs of the past 100 years.

by Anonymousreply 11211/01/2012

Bette Davis was a homophobic. I wonder why... I guess she was afraid of her own lesbian tendencies and she tried to push them away by using sarcasm and other mind tricks...

by Anonymousreply 11308/11/2013

I met Bette Davis. She definitely spoke her mind.

by Anonymousreply 11408/11/2013

Bette had such an interesting personality and she is certainly one of my favourite actresses. I love so many of her movies! What a pity she was homophobic. I understand her fears though. On the other hand, fortunately, she was not only homophobic. She could be grand and she was not always a bitch. Hehehehe!

by Anonymousreply 11508/11/2013

Beverly Roberts and Wynne Gibson were a couple.

Also that actress who did a few movies with James Cagney...Margaret something????

by Anonymousreply 11608/11/2013

Margaret Lindsay. I know, I know, all these people are obscure.

by Anonymousreply 11708/11/2013

R103 ... that was an excellent article. It was long, but worth reading. I think there is a movie script to the story of those women's lives.

by Anonymousreply 11808/11/2013

Vivien Leigh was a nymphomaniac so who knows what she was doing and with whom

by Anonymousreply 11908/11/2013

bump

by Anonymousreply 12008/17/2013

Bette Davis was a drunk, that's why she was homophobic, or pretended to be.

by Anonymousreply 12108/17/2013

Ginger Rogers of course!

by Anonymousreply 12208/18/2013

How come most of these posts are from anonymous? Are people simply passing on gossip and reluctant to back it up? If you're not proud enough of your words to take credit for them, why publish?

by Anonymousreply 12310/02/2013

R15, wow...could that be really true? They would have made a very beautiful couple! Hedy Lamarr and Ilona Massey were both very beautiful and feminine. I approve of them as a couple all the way! Ha!

I think that Ava had strong lesbian tendencies. She was trying to prove her femininity by sleeping with a lot of men, but the fact remains the same:she always pinged to me! I'm sure that she had a crush on Lana Turner. I'm the only one that thinks so?

by Anonymousreply 12410/24/2013

Any gossip about Ilona Massey? Any kind of gossip, it doesn't have to be exclusively about sex...

by Anonymousreply 12510/24/2013

Hope Emerson. Watch the classic dyke film "Caged", 1950. She's the towering, corrupt, sadistic prison matron. The movie is magnificent with many "hidden" references. Miss Emerson was a wonderful actress and known to be very kind and well liked. She was Oscar nominated for her role.

by Anonymousreply 12610/24/2013

R124 Hedy and Ilona were not a couple. The studio arranged them to live together so that they could learn English together.

by Anonymousreply 12711/14/2013

In his biog, RJ Wagner says Stanwyk knew her way around the boudoir like no other broad he'd ever been with, and obviously he wasn't talking about lesbian lovemaking techniques. He makes it clear she was an expert. So is there any proof she could also please a woman? Or is the talk of her being a lesbian no more than gossip?

by Anonymousreply 12804/19/2014

"So is there any proof she could also please a woman?"

Really dumb question, R128

by Anonymousreply 12904/20/2014

Ida Lupino always came across as a lesbyterian to me. Any stories?

by Anonymousreply 13004/20/2014

according to the exhaustive, researched bio of Mary Wickes that came out last year, she was NOT a Lesbian, just reserved prim and proper and from a Victorian era family--kind of a no sex please background

by Anonymousreply 13104/20/2014

129: Wagner made it clear she was well acquainted with the things heterosexuals do in bed, so that's a statement of some substance as they were together four years. Has there ever been a similar voice of experience that said she had experience in what lesbians do in bed? What's dumb about wanting some facts rather than the tired old rumours that are endlessly regurgitated? Perhaps you're satisfied with unfounded speculation. If so, I think dumb just met dumber.

by Anonymousreply 13204/21/2014

R101 may no longer be around, but I've read that book by McLellan and studied the images of the stills from that movie made in Berlin (The Joyless Sreet), and in no way is the woman whom she claims is Dietrich actually Dietrich. I think McLellan even tries to base her argument on claims that Dietrich had a funny hand and this can be seen in The Joyless Street!

The absurdity of McLellan's claims only strengthen the idea that Dietrich and Garbo never met, at least in 1920s Berlin.

by Anonymousreply 13304/21/2014

Stanwyck was not a lesbian or even bi. She was from Brooklyn and had a very tough life, including being orphaned, raped as a teen and having an abortion that left her unable to bear children. It made her kind of hard and unemotional, which are masculine traits, so people like to think that she was a lesbian.

by Anonymousreply 13404/21/2014

About Marilyn and Stanwyck. Deets?

by Anonymousreply 13506/07/2015

R130, I read that Lupino struggled with bipolar disorder and alcoholism, but she had three husbands pretty much in succession and a production company with one of them. She broke through the glass ceiling as a director/producer in a man's profession, but no rumors of lesbianism that I could find.

by Anonymousreply 13606/07/2015

I'm sure virtually all these fine actresses were not lesbian. I don't know why you want to smear their good names. The way you all tell it, it would be easier to list the three actresses that were not.

by Anonymousreply 13711/13/2015

Not an actress (though neither was the aforementioned Edith Head), but certainly from the classic days of Hollywood and most certainly better known than some of the character actresses named so far: Maxine Andrews.

Married the Sister Act's then agent in 1941. They were already separated by 1949. He continued being their agent. She never re-married. Can anyone say arranged?

I met her when she was a celebrity guest on a cruise ship in 1985. She was with a female companion. The haircuts, the talk, the dyke swag were all there - the only thing they were missing were wool plaid lumberjack shirts. Maxine was the butcher one.

by Anonymousreply 13811/13/2015

Why is this thread being taken over by a bunch of uptight and prissy heterosexuals getting wound up at the slightest mention of a old hollywood star they admire being linked to homosexuality? R137 are perfect example. Why are you infesting this place?

by Anonymousreply 13911/14/2015

R137 "I don't know why you want to smear their good names. "

Oh , dear you are lost.

by Anonymousreply 14011/14/2015

"The way you all tell it, it would be easier to list the three actresses that were not"—r137 got that right, anyway.

by Anonymousreply 14111/14/2015
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