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Exactly when did you get over Madonna?

It's the 20th anniversary of EROTICA, and that for me was exactly when I realized she was just ridiculous and a famewhore. I've liked some of the things she's done since then (particularly "Ray of Light," one of her all-time best songs), but I've just not respected her generally for twenty years.

by Anonymousreply 231March 1, 2021 9:18 AM

American Life and her oh-so-deep commentary on war.

or maybe the children's books. or the Gap commercial. Or her bragging that she doesn't let her kids watch tv. Or the English accent.

by Anonymousreply 1October 21, 2012 10:02 PM

Loved her from the beginning, followed her through the years, and still love her today. No other artist has a repertoire like hers. She continually changes her musical style, collaborating with different artists and producers to give her fans something new every time.

If you got "over her", you are stating that you lost interest in her music, or were turned off by the way she was acting at that time.

I always felt like she was a good singer who put out catchy pop and dance music. She was always fighting the system - promoting women's rights, gay rights, abortion rights, sexual oppression, violence, ageism, etc. Because of this, a lot of folks just couldn't relate or lost interest.

Just my two cents. And I'd say judging from the sell-out tour that will break her own record, many others would agree.

by Anonymousreply 2October 21, 2012 10:04 PM

You are over her yet you make a thread about her?

by Anonymousreply 3October 21, 2012 10:10 PM

[quote]I always felt like she was a good singer

Holy shit.

by Anonymousreply 4October 21, 2012 10:17 PM

When American Life was released. It was absolutely horrid.

by Anonymousreply 5October 21, 2012 10:18 PM

[quote]No other artist has a repertoire like hers.

Thank you.

by Anonymousreply 6October 21, 2012 10:22 PM

The first time I heard her sing live -- on the Oscars murdering that Sondheim song from "Dick Tracy." Showed her to be the no-talent fraud she is. Say what you want about Lady Gaga, the bitch can sing. Madonna -- it's all created in the studio.

by Anonymousreply 7October 21, 2012 10:22 PM

I lost interest after Ray of Light. I still listen to that album and Erotica and the single Hung Up, but that's about it. The earlier stuff is too cheesy (as is Erotica technically) and the later stuff sucks.

by Anonymousreply 8October 21, 2012 10:23 PM

No other "artist" has had a boudoir that has seen more action than hers.

by Anonymousreply 9October 21, 2012 10:25 PM

The spring of 1986 when I was 12. I discovered Janet Jackson's Control Album.

by Anonymousreply 10October 21, 2012 10:30 PM

Defending Eminem is what made me hate her guts. I had bought most of her cds and albums up to that point, and I haven't bought a single one since. Her best dance-pop stuff was fun despite her vocal limitations, but I was also a fan because I thought she respected her gay audience and was in our corner. I always knew she was a poser who couldn't really sing, so when she betrayed gays with her gushing Emimen endorsement, all that was left was an annoyingly overpraised marginal talent who had exploited the gay audience.

by Anonymousreply 11October 21, 2012 10:34 PM

One of the biggest problems to Madonna's legacy is that many of her biggest hits were in the 80s, a time when synthesizers/drum-machines were at their cheesiest.

by Anonymousreply 12October 21, 2012 10:37 PM

I was never "under" her to get "over" her. I don't "have to like Madonna" just because I'm "gay" any more than I do Cher or Judy Garland or her daughter Liza.

by Anonymousreply 13October 21, 2012 10:40 PM

"Exactly when did you get over Madonna?"

When I realized that she hadn't gotten over herself.

by Anonymousreply 14October 21, 2012 10:42 PM

It's not possible to get "over" Madonna for those of us who have never been a fan of Madonna.

by Anonymousreply 15October 21, 2012 10:43 PM

After watching "Truth or Dare", she seemed like a fake bitch.

by Anonymousreply 16October 21, 2012 10:48 PM

American Life

by Anonymousreply 17October 21, 2012 10:48 PM

Erotica was the last album I enjoyed, though I did like Secret from Bedtime Stories. But I was over Mad at that point.

by Anonymousreply 18October 21, 2012 10:49 PM

American Life is a criminally underrated album. I started to tune out when she collaborated with Justin Timberlake and Timbaland. There were some great songs on that album (Miles Away, Spanish Lesson, Voices, Dance Tonight) but she was incredibly lazy during that era. She thought the Justin feature would ensure big sales, but the album flopped hard.

by Anonymousreply 19October 21, 2012 10:50 PM

It was the minute she latched on to Britney. It made her resemble a storyline out of a horror flick where the cat sucks the breath out of a baby.

by Anonymousreply 20October 21, 2012 10:54 PM


We were supposed to be shocked. I was bored and embarrassed for her. Not because of the pix, but because the accompanying commentary was so trite.

Still, I've always been a casual fan. I'm in the minority here in that I enjoy the hell out of "Hard Candy."

by Anonymousreply 21October 21, 2012 10:59 PM

It would have to be "Music".

That Grace Slick quote rings true: "all rock-and-rollers over the age of 50 look stupid and should retire".

Now I view her the same way as Cher. Both are smart business women grinding out money from old fans.

by Anonymousreply 22October 21, 2012 11:00 PM

The moment that talent free hag appeared. I was never any kind of fan.

by Anonymousreply 23October 21, 2012 11:05 PM

I never got over her because I was never into her.

I absolutely loathe her with a passion...but I actually like this song...but that's it.

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by Anonymousreply 24October 21, 2012 11:05 PM

There was a period in the mid-'90s when I really liked her. I loved Ray of Light (still do), but stopped following her after that and now I just think she's ridiculous, although I still enjoy some of her older stuff, if I'm in the mood for it.

My taste in music radically changed in the late '90s and I stopped following Top 40 music completely.

by Anonymousreply 25October 21, 2012 11:06 PM

English Rose Lady of the Manor phase.

by Anonymousreply 26October 21, 2012 11:10 PM

[quote]I don't "have to like Madonna" just because I'm "gay"

Who said you have to like her because you are gay? Self loathing much and hate the label you must wear, do you?

When a straight person asks another if they are going to see a movie, or if they like some actor or musical group, is the response, "I don't have to like them just because I'm straight."?

You either like somebody or you don't, why do you have to tie your orientation to it?

by Anonymousreply 27October 21, 2012 11:17 PM

I would have had to be into her first, which I never have been.

by Anonymousreply 28October 21, 2012 11:19 PM

Get over her? I never even got under her.

by Anonymousreply 29October 21, 2012 11:25 PM

[quote]The spring of 1986 when I was 12. I discovered Janet Jackson's Control Album.

LOL. And Madonna was immediately mad.

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by Anonymousreply 30October 21, 2012 11:30 PM

At about 26 when my musical tastes matured. I don't hate her or anything and still listen to a few of her oldies now and then. You just get older and a thumping beat to dance to just isn't your thing anymore.

by Anonymousreply 31October 21, 2012 11:35 PM

I was teetering on the edge when she gave Britney Spears attention and stage time. I went over the edge when she sampled Abba. So calculating and so behind the curve... years after Erasure's EP, years after the A-Teens, years after Muriel's Wedding, years after Mamma Mia!.

I knew she had dropped the ball and has done nothing since that reveals the foresight she used to have in musical direction.

by Anonymousreply 32October 22, 2012 12:00 AM

Well, as a kid I was always a fan. I was born in the 80s and grew up in the 90s. I was turned off a bit with her American Life album but then I liked her next album Confessions on a A Dance Floor or whatever it's called. After that album is when I started going online and reading more about her (mid 2000s). I learned all kinds of bad things about her, such as her copycat/thievery ways, her stank attitude and how she's just a gimmick queen/contrived controversy starter to make up for her lack of talent. So for the last 6 years or so, I've been permanently turned off and can be classified as a "hater" if you will.

by Anonymousreply 33October 22, 2012 1:20 AM

With the release of 'Music'. After that, I very nearly lost track of her recording career other than a small handful of songs I briefly heard on the radio. Prior to that, I was pretty engaged in her music, I liked it a lot. I knew what she was up to though, because she always tries to get herself attention. The whole British duchess thing was a complete turn-off, it made my skin crawl. I came back to her when she released 'Hard Candy' in 2008, I thought it was a good album. I was disappointed with MDNA though.

by Anonymousreply 34October 22, 2012 1:33 AM

I stopped paying attention to her after Erotica. She had pretty much played herself out.

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by Anonymousreply 36October 22, 2012 2:28 AM

I'm not OVER Madonna...I'm just ready for her to start caring about her music (and music in general - in interviews for MDNA she said she wasn't listening to any music at all aside from what Orbit played her - and guess what he played her? Kreayshawn, which only sold like 600 CDs and was sold at Hot Topic). I know she'll release quality, forward thinking tunes in the future. We just have to wait for her to care again.

by Anonymousreply 37October 22, 2012 2:34 AM

I've liked everything she's done. I give her credit for not always doing the same thing over and over (I'm looking at you, Janet). She hasn't always produced the best stuff, but she's changed it up. To me, it all began with the Like a Prayer album. Every album after that was a sort of evolution. Has she copied others? Sure - who hasn't. But who else could have done albums such as Ray of Light or Erotica?

by Anonymousreply 38October 22, 2012 2:44 AM

I think when she made out with Britney on stage she seemed so much less outspoken and merely cheesy and opportunistic

by Anonymousreply 39October 22, 2012 2:49 AM

After American Life..although I did like Ray of Light and even some of Confessions but the death knell was Hard Candy.

by Anonymousreply 40October 22, 2012 7:27 AM

[quote] Defending Eminem is what made me hate her guts. I had bought most of her cds and albums up to that point, and I haven't bought a single one since. Her best dance-pop stuff was fun despite her vocal limitations, but I was also a fan because I thought she respected her gay audience and was in our corner. I always knew she was a poser who couldn't really sing, so when she betrayed gays with her gushing Emimen endorsement, all that was left was an annoyingly overpraised marginal talent who had exploited the gay audience.


Also, the upper-class allegience she suddenly adhered to via Guy Ritchie - going on hunts, allying herself with the rich Tory toffs in power.

Basically: homophobic when it came down to it, and classist as well. NO sense of real ethics, then.

by Anonymousreply 41October 22, 2012 7:43 AM

I've always liked "Dress You Up" live concert video. She had two male back up dancers/singers; I always had crush on the dancer that was on the right in the video. Was that her brother? Cute asian guitar player in video also.

I like a few other songs of her from the earlier days but have never been die hard fan.

by Anonymousreply 42October 22, 2012 7:47 AM

When I found out how she steals from and torments poor Aisha. Her cousin Gwen Stefani is also on my shit-list for doing the same.

by Anonymousreply 43October 22, 2012 8:00 AM

Op it's rather obvious you are not over Madonna, or you wouldn't have started this thread. Look the woman is old, shot out, over the hill, she is yesterdays news and long past being put out to pasture. The same goes for the great granddaddies of rock, The Rolling Stones. They can't believe they still get p r.

by Anonymousreply 44October 22, 2012 8:07 AM

OMG is that Aisha actually posting on here? That girl better be careful because there's new brainscan technology that the elites have and Britney is buying it so she can scan Aisha's brain to get the lyrics, melodies and production to songs that are in Aisha's head. Britney will violate the copyright and Aisha will not see a dime. Britney is then loaning this technology to Gwen Stefani (Madonna's cousin) who will then scan Aisha's brain to steal all of Aisha's creative work so Gwen can release two new albums. They know if they get it directly from Aisha's brain, she won't be able to show the proof on her website! (The above comment is parody and not meant to be taken seriously)

by Anonymousreply 45October 22, 2012 1:55 PM

That was a filmed at Cobo Arena in Detroit in 1985 [R47]. I was one of the 13 year old bitches with the sunglasses getting out of the limo.

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by Anonymousreply 46October 22, 2012 2:59 PM

American Life's "rap" verse... "I'm feeling super-duper".

by Anonymousreply 47October 22, 2012 3:18 PM

I arrived late to the party and left early, but I had a good time while I was there.

by Anonymousreply 48October 22, 2012 3:22 PM

Honestly, I was done with her with the release of "Like A Prayer"...when she started to get all "personal" when her lyrics. That song about her father just makes me cringe. She redeemed herself somewhat with "Ray of Light", but she went right back to making terrible music after that.

by Anonymousreply 49October 22, 2012 3:30 PM

Ray of Light. Tuneless, pretentious drivel. She peaked on Erotica (genius...the funniest album she ever did), had a few more moments on Bedtime Stories, and that was it.

I do like "Sorry" however. It was a smash in Europe; why did it flop in the US?

by Anonymousreply 50October 22, 2012 3:58 PM

Even though Madonnas current CD is made up of terrible songs, which are an embarrassment to her Pettibone/Benetiz years, the songs are still a measure better than the crap Lady Gaga is coming out with on Art Pop 2013.

Rumor has it that Lady Gagas management is already desperately scavenging the music sphere for "Producers" to rescue her new Album.

by Anonymousreply 51October 22, 2012 4:05 PM

R51, would you know what the Pop Art songs are like? Are you a music industry insider? You seem like a desperately deluded Madonna stan.

[quote]Rumor has it...

I rest my case.

by Anonymousreply 52October 22, 2012 4:12 PM

oohhh Did someone touch a nerve [R52]?

by Anonymousreply 53October 22, 2012 4:23 PM

Let me think on that for a minute, R53. No.

by Anonymousreply 54October 22, 2012 4:27 PM

Lady Gaga is coming out with a line of bottled water!

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by Anonymousreply 55October 22, 2012 4:27 PM

Gaga people already coming to the defense of her new Album before it is released.

It must be really, REALLY bad!

by Anonymousreply 56October 22, 2012 4:40 PM

Madonna people already denigrating a Gaga album before it is released.

It must be really, REALLY good!

by Anonymousreply 57October 22, 2012 5:31 PM

I agree with R23.

by Anonymousreply 58October 22, 2012 5:54 PM

American Life was the biggest disaster of the century, followed by Bedtime Stories.

by Anonymousreply 59December 2, 2012 1:53 PM

This endlessly repeated post has become possibly the most tedious, tiresomeand humorless theme in all of DL history. Bring back the cak.

by Anonymousreply 60December 2, 2012 2:00 PM

I was never under her, bitch.

by Anonymousreply 61December 2, 2012 2:09 PM

Never had to get over her because I have never been a fan. I prefer musicians and artists.

by Anonymousreply 62December 2, 2012 2:11 PM

When I realized American Life only had one decent song on it.

by Anonymousreply 63December 2, 2012 2:15 PM

Still love hurrr

by Anonymousreply 64March 7, 2013 2:26 AM

I was over her when she sold out and married homophobe Guy Ritchie and moved to England pretending to be "high society". Not only did her music get shittier around that time, but I realized what a fake she was and how she was like all the other needy women who pretend to be something they're not just to please their husband.

by Anonymousreply 65March 7, 2013 2:33 AM

Pretty much after "Confessions on the Dance Floor, and the flower bit turned me off.

by Anonymousreply 66March 7, 2013 2:33 AM

R46's link is sort of shocking. It's been a long, long time since Madonna has had young people for fans.

by Anonymousreply 67March 7, 2013 2:33 AM

I think it was the craptacular trio Die Another Day/Swept Away/American Life. I liked Hung Up and thought she was back to making decent music again... but then that shitty song with Justin Timberlake followed by the shitty Celebration single and video. But the most damaging was the book by her brother and the hydrangeas video that really did it. The last CD was the first in nearly 30 years I didn't buy. She never grew up.

by Anonymousreply 68March 7, 2013 2:45 AM

as a little kid I wasn't a fan. When I got into my pre-teens and teens I liked her stuff. The "American Life" album was a turn off, but I didn't mind her "Hung Up" song later. When I got into my early 20s and found out online how much shit she has pulled, everything she has stole from others, and just how untalented she is, I was turned off for good. She's just an old, copycat, desperate attention-whore.

by Anonymousreply 69August 31, 2013 9:02 PM

The hydrangea debacle clinched it for me.

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by Anonymousreply 70August 31, 2013 9:09 PM

When she tried to become an actress and when she took a pic with a champagne bottle to her "erotic" book.

by Anonymousreply 71August 31, 2013 9:25 PM

Erotica and the boring S&M shit and her insistence on an 'acting' career. The children's books were lame, too.

by Anonymousreply 72August 31, 2013 9:38 PM

I like the '80s/'90s Madonna.

by Anonymousreply 73August 31, 2013 9:39 PM

In my teens I wasn't a fan but I have been pretty much since 1990. Her film In Bed with Madonna and Justify My Love totally swang me. At a time when it really wasn't ok to be gay and there was little gay imagery in the mainstream media, that was just fucking fantastic and the music was brilliant too.

R19, American Life the song is fucking amazing, in my opinion. One of my favourite pieces of music. The whole accompanying video and the underlying message of the song, at that point in time, are pretty amazing. One of the few, Americans in particular, to stand up against the invasion of Iraq from the beginning, and took the flak for it.

by Anonymousreply 74August 31, 2013 9:42 PM

When she tried to sing "Live To Tell," a song that showed that vocally, she was in way over her head. Her tone on her slow songs is atrocious. She does not have natural vibrato.

by Anonymousreply 75August 31, 2013 9:44 PM

[quote]particularly "Ray of Light," one of her all-time best songs

And even that, like most of her output, is a ripoff.

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by Anonymousreply 76August 31, 2013 9:48 PM

I think it was when she proved she had no sense of humor or humility left. You can wear all the grills you want, and collaborate with hot young talents like Nicki Minaj, but when she start taking yourself too seriously, you become officially irrelevant.

by Anonymousreply 77August 31, 2013 9:53 PM

I liked her up until Hard Candy (which was pure shit, from beginning to end).

by Anonymousreply 78August 31, 2013 9:54 PM

I was never UNDER her!

by Anonymousreply 79August 31, 2013 9:55 PM

Late 80s

by Anonymousreply 80August 31, 2013 9:57 PM

Why is anyone not over her at this point?

by Anonymousreply 81August 31, 2013 10:39 PM

I was never a Madonna fan and am unfamiliar with most of her music. I did like Spanish Lullaby.

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by Anonymousreply 82August 31, 2013 10:58 PM

Yeah, after "Ray of Light", I got sickened enjoying her because she's such a tired, ugly-acting, humorless cunt. It was too much.

As someone who allegedly attended the University of Michigan to study dance, or as Madge says, "Dahnce", she moves like Mae West on Percodan in the laughable and super creepy "Hung Up" video. I guess that was the last straw!

by Anonymousreply 83August 31, 2013 11:10 PM

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by Anonymousreply 84August 31, 2013 11:22 PM

2000. It was the transition to mp3 formatting.

I had already repurchased her catalogue on CD and cassette formats.

"Music" was worth the mp3 pricing because it was new. None of the old stuff was worth .99 per download. "American Life" sounded like a bad joke.

Oddly, many of my other favorites made the cut to MP3.

by Anonymousreply 85August 31, 2013 11:29 PM

I was never more than a casual fan, but I enjoyed most of her output up through Ray of Light. Hated everything after that. "Hung Up" was ok, but I'd rather just listen to Abba's original, really.

When she married Guy Ritchie, got into Kabbalah, and bought herself a couple African kids, the Madonna I "knew" as a child of the 80s was gone forever.

by Anonymousreply 86August 31, 2013 11:40 PM

After Vogue, that was her peak. She's been downhill since then. I never got the big fuss about Ray of Light. The only song on that album I liked was Frozen.

by Anonymousreply 87August 31, 2013 11:42 PM

Never got over her as I never got into her in the first place.

by Anonymousreply 88August 31, 2013 11:44 PM

It was after "Ray of Light" that I didn't care for her next album releases. But, Confessions On The Dance Floor was a nice surprise, then Madonna went downhill again.

MDNA was very disappointing.

by Anonymousreply 89August 31, 2013 11:52 PM

Give Me All Your Lovin was terrible, pretty much a throwaway song. I don't even think Madonna tried hard to record a good song with MDNA. Hard Candy had a few good songs, but Madonna could have done better.

Madonna could redeem herself with a great album release. She needs to get serious with music again, and not getting in the news for showing her gold grills.

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by Anonymousreply 90September 1, 2013 12:12 AM

Like a Virgin

by Anonymousreply 91September 1, 2013 12:24 AM

Agree with R92. The sight of her flopping around on stage with no rhythm, vocal skill or style on the Grammys, and at the same time obviously focusing on remembering her "choreography," was a precursor to everything else she has ever done. She was a self-marketer at a time when the competition was low, and that's what her entire career has capitalized on. But she was "that turd" from the moment she started.

by Anonymousreply 92September 1, 2013 12:31 AM

She very nearly lost me with American Life, that was her lowest ebb ever. Until now.

She lost her connection to the public after the adoptions and has gotten even worse since. The British accent may have gone but was replaced with some unfortunate drastic surgeries and toddler boyfriends.

It all changed after Sex. Then in came the kaballah and she went from bitchy but fun cunt to preachy hypocritical cunt. She's now nearly 60 and a heritage act and needs to accept that.

The music and tours are for hardcore fans only at this point. I don't see a way for her back unless she plays the nostalgia game, since warmth was never her greatest strength.

by Anonymousreply 93September 22, 2013 2:09 AM

I never liked her much to begin with. I had the rare pleasure of waiting on her and SP in a store back in the mid 1980s. Both were very nasty, strange and stuck on themselves. I don't have her albums. Not a fan, never was and never will be.

by Anonymousreply 94September 22, 2013 2:15 AM

R95 more details on what they were like? What did they say?

Honestly I think if more Vadge fans were to interact with her, they'd be instantly turned off. She really is a hypocrite of the highest order-preaching love and blah blah but is a raging bitch in real life.

by Anonymousreply 95September 22, 2013 2:23 AM

it comes and goes, the Sex book and erotica just seemed dumb but she roped me back with Ray of Light and the Grammy performace of "Hung Up"

by Anonymousreply 96September 22, 2013 2:36 AM

I got over her when I was 11-years-old, back in 1993. My parents bought the soundtrack from 'The Bodyguard' and I remember that I thought "Madonna is shit compared to this". I never looked back. She can't sing, dance or act, and is a mediocre songwriter at best - which makes her success all the more outrageous. Especially when you think about the fact that people who are actually talented fade into obscurity, while she remains "relevant" thanks to cheap shock tactics and shameless self-promotion.

by Anonymousreply 97September 22, 2013 2:42 AM

Like R75, I didn't become a fan until 1990.

For me it was the combo of Justify My Love, her doing Vogue on the MTV music awards in period costumes and the movie Truth or Dare.

For the life of me, I could never understood why the extent of her popularity was the way it was in the 1980s.

by Anonymousreply 98September 22, 2013 3:20 AM

I was a huge fan of Madge until better acts like Britney Spears, Beyoncé, Jessica Simpson, Rhianna and Kelly Clarkson came along and showed how passé Madonna was. She deservedly had her thunder stolen. In all fairness, she had her day and a lot of success, but her day ended somewhere around 1999. She should have retired gracefully at that time. But no, she'll keep touring and releasing sub-par albums until she's 85 and looking more pathetic with every passing year.

I still love her old (good) stuff.

by Anonymousreply 99September 22, 2013 3:28 AM

[quote]I never got the big fuss about Ray of Light.

Thank you! I never understood the hype about this album either. There were some good songs on it, but it was this album was the beginning of the end. To this day she has not let go of the shitty generic electronic sound that she became obsessed with during Ray of Light.

Her last good album was Bedtime Stories. Great adult contemporary album with an R&B feel. Her voice also sounded decent on it.

So I would say the late 90's when all the Kabbalah shit/fake British accent shit/Guy Ritchie shit/faux proper English lady shit was when I was done with her.

by Anonymousreply 100September 22, 2013 3:32 AM

Disco cunt!

by Anonymousreply 101September 22, 2013 3:39 AM

Has she bothered to take guitar lessons, or was all of that just a passing fad sort of thing? I mean, if she had any brains, she'd have Charo coach her and try to turn herself into a decent musician!

by Anonymousreply 102September 22, 2013 3:49 AM

I never understood the gay male obsession with that Madonna idiot. In the '80s, her mechanical, soulless disco shit drove me running for Metallica and Guns N' Roses. I was the odd-man out at the time, as every other gay dude I knew loved that vapid disco corn.

Her music tends to become "dated" very quickly. You can't listen to her '80s stuff without thinking, "eighties!" You can't listen to her '90s stuff without thinking, "nineties!"

Likewise, you can't listen to anything she has done since 2000 without thinking, "SHIT!"

by Anonymousreply 103September 22, 2013 4:03 AM

[quote]I mean, if she had any brains, she'd have Charo coach her and try to turn herself into a decent musician!

Charo shows her how La Isla should be done.

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by Anonymousreply 104September 22, 2013 4:08 AM

In the 'Sex' book when she talked about hating fat people. Fuck you, bitch. She must post on DL.

by Anonymousreply 105September 22, 2013 4:17 AM

Anyone who is not over her by 2013 is just a moron. With all the info out there about her, and comparing her "talent" to others, she really sucks both as an entertainer and a human being. Those who continue to support and give money to her are pathetic.

by Anonymousreply 106September 22, 2013 4:24 AM

[quote]In the 'Sex' book when she talked about hating fat people.

What did Rosie think of that?

by Anonymousreply 107September 22, 2013 4:25 AM

about ten days after the wedding

by Anonymousreply 108September 22, 2013 5:39 AM

Everything after Confessions, I just could not get into it. Her opening number for that tour is still pretty incredible.

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by Anonymousreply 109September 22, 2013 6:47 AM

i couldn't see the charo video in ny

by Anonymousreply 110September 22, 2013 7:11 AM

Madonna is an act. It's a pop act. Music is secondary since she's not really a singer. Hers is an act from music videos early days. She will end up in Vegas .

by Anonymousreply 111September 22, 2013 7:31 AM

The "Music" album from 2000 is when I got over her. That album was such a piece of robotic shit with stupid lyrics and when I realized how talentless she truly was. Every song on that album had her vocals put through a vocoder and Autotuned to death, and she's done that with her vocals ever since.

Oh, and that was also when she showed how fake she was when she married that homophobe Guy Ritchie and ignored her gay fans for years until her career was in the shitter and then she wanted to come crawling back pandering to them.

by Anonymousreply 112July 20, 2014 2:10 AM

Right after the first time I saw her perform.

by Anonymousreply 113July 20, 2014 2:53 AM

First time I heard her--1984, I think.

by Anonymousreply 114July 20, 2014 2:55 AM

[quote]Defending Eminem is what made me hate her guts.

Did you feel the same way towards Elton John, as well?

by Anonymousreply 115July 20, 2014 3:09 AM

She became a joke with "Body of Evidence". She was clearly trying to be Sharon Stone, and that was sad.

by Anonymousreply 116July 20, 2014 3:13 AM

Body of Evidence is an interesting film to watch to study actors. I just saw it recently and I was struck with how genuinely bad Madonna is yet somehow Julianne Moore with the same script and director and everything manages to be really good. (or as good as anyone can be under the circumstances.)

by Anonymousreply 117July 20, 2014 3:17 AM

I never "got" her from the beginning. She was a not particularly attractive, not particularly talented figure who was very good at drawing attention to herself. I could never understand what made some people think she was all that.

by Anonymousreply 118July 20, 2014 3:36 AM

What? You didn't like her failed attempt to be the lady of the English manor/Town and Country with that fake British accent even though she is from Detroit?

by Anonymousreply 119July 20, 2014 3:46 AM

I was never under her, OP.

by Anonymousreply 120July 20, 2014 3:47 AM

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by Anonymousreply 121July 20, 2014 4:01 AM

Oh, so this is the thread where a bunch of bitter queens ramble on about why they hate Madonna. Nothing to see here...

by Anonymousreply 122July 20, 2014 4:04 AM

R122 Vadge, shouldn't you be in your bathroom playing dress up and taking more stupid selfies?

by Anonymousreply 123July 20, 2014 4:09 AM

I never liked that whore.

by Anonymousreply 124July 20, 2014 4:09 AM

Kabbalah. Done. Crazy. No different than Scientology at the level she works at.

by Anonymousreply 125July 20, 2014 4:15 AM

That electronic digitized disco-ey sounding music that the Brits like did her no favors.

by Anonymousreply 126July 20, 2014 4:57 AM

OMG, the 25 posters who said they were never under her are SO clever, I'm thinking of troll-daring them so I can follow every smart quip that comes out of their minds.

by Anonymousreply 127July 20, 2014 5:17 AM

after MUSIC

by Anonymousreply 128July 20, 2014 5:55 AM

When she got up on her high horse after marrying Guy Ritchie.

Proclaimed, in her fake British accent, that she was moving to the UK because it was unsafe to raise her children here.

Fast forward a couple of months...someone breaks into her house in the middle of the night, while they're all sleeping, burgles the place, takes her car keys & steals her car.

If that's not a karmic kick in the cunt, I don't know what is.

by Anonymousreply 129July 20, 2014 2:06 PM

R98 sounds like I could've posted it.

I didn't become a fan of hers until around the time of Truth or Dare, the Justify My Love video and her doing "Vogue" on the MTV Music Awards (although I thought the Sex book was really stupid).

by Anonymousreply 130July 20, 2014 2:18 PM

Some of us always thought she was a complete phony whose talent had nothing to do with musicianship and everything to do with her aggression and ability to market herself.

by Anonymousreply 131July 20, 2014 2:32 PM

She takes credit for other artists' work. And it's so blatant. I thought maybe Ray of Light was original, but even that was stolen.

The writer of the song, Curtiss Maldoon, sued her and won. She's been sued so many times.

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by Anonymousreply 132July 20, 2014 2:39 PM

L I E S @ r132. Maldoon was credited as a writer in the album's booklet. There was no lawsuit.

From the December 1998 issue of SPIN:

"Muldoon's niece Christine Leach later updated it [Sepheryn], and sold the rights to Madonna and William Orbit after Muldoon died."

by Anonymousreply 133July 20, 2014 2:46 PM

R131 is right.

by Anonymousreply 134July 20, 2014 2:57 PM

r133 she got sued for not paying royalties to Maldoon while he was still alive. it has nothing to do with giving him credit.

She's been sued in courts all over the world for ripping off other artists.

by Anonymousreply 135July 20, 2014 3:04 PM

i meant to his estate, he died in 1976.

by Anonymousreply 136July 20, 2014 3:09 PM

(...I'm looking at you, Janet...)

Say it 3x in a mirror and IT will appear...


by Anonymousreply 137July 20, 2014 3:17 PM

I only liked her first album - I forget the name - and that Susan Seidelman film she was in. Only time her and my sense of the zeitgeist were in sync.

by Anonymousreply 138July 20, 2014 3:18 PM

I had been hoping she would die in a grease fire.

by Anonymousreply 139July 20, 2014 3:19 PM

She is ridiculous now because she lives in a bubble. But one thing I can relate too is the question of are you supposed give up the music you grew up with after a cetain age? I started listening and dancing to house and all types of dance music when I was 17 (1987) and I still love it but now that I 'm getting older (43] I somehow am supposed to not like it anymore because it's "young" music. Society says you shouldn't care about new music after a certain age. I'm not even going to get into how you are supposed to dress.

by Anonymousreply 140July 20, 2014 3:35 PM

She needs to move to different avenues. She's middle aged, but trying to stay revelant by thinking she's hip and stylish. But then she turns off most go her fans, who are middle-aged themselves.

by Anonymousreply 141July 20, 2014 3:48 PM

I'm irritated and bored by performers who say "worship me", "I'm the queen", etc. while they grind against their high end bathroom fixtures. I don't worship anybody. So lame.

by Anonymousreply 142July 20, 2014 3:53 PM

Her cover of American Pie killed it for me.

by Anonymousreply 143July 20, 2014 4:08 PM

Yeah, I agree: Madge pretty much jumped-the-shark when she latched on to Brittany like a drowning victim grabbing for a life raft: it made her look desperate.

by Anonymousreply 144July 22, 2014 4:21 PM

Living For Love y'all!

by Anonymousreply 145March 1, 2015 1:22 PM

[quote]Yeah, I agree: Madge pretty much jumped-the-shark when she latched on to Brittany like a drowning

. . . Murphy?

by Anonymousreply 146March 1, 2015 1:31 PM

Truth or Dare exposed her shitty personality and ruined all of her mystique for me.

by Anonymousreply 147March 1, 2015 2:34 PM

When she started using the death of Michael Stewart as a PR opportunity.

by Anonymousreply 148March 1, 2015 2:50 PM

'91 For me, she peaked with Justify My Love. When I was younger, I didn't realize This Used To Be My Playground, Erotica and Bedtime Stories were actually good. So now, I guess I would say '95. But her '90s stuff still didn't compare to her '80s stuff.

by Anonymousreply 149March 1, 2015 2:53 PM

I love her now more than ever. There, I said it.

by Anonymousreply 150March 1, 2015 3:09 PM

She's the definition of an attention whore. And shows all signs of being a pure sociopath. But, you know, most people have their eyes wide shut.

And she looks like she smells.

by Anonymousreply 151March 1, 2015 3:13 PM

EVERYONE is over Flopdonna. Even after performing at The Brit Awards on going on The Jonathan Ross show, her awful single "Living for Love" BOMBED in the UK, entering the UK Singles Chart at an embarrassing #26! LMAO!

by Anonymousreply 152March 1, 2015 6:08 PM

Jesus Christ. That psycho cunt Jabba's resorted to calling her Flopdonna.

You seriously need help Jabba.

by Anonymousreply 153March 1, 2015 6:18 PM

R152 is not me, R153, but your thinking that he IS me is more proof that I am on your mind 24/7, which is flattering but creepy because...well...it's you. I also wholeheartedly share R152's sentiments.

by Anonymousreply 154March 1, 2015 6:22 PM

r152 has posted the same thing in every single Madonna thread his drug-addled mind could find.

Let's look at it from another perspective.

It charted at #26 after only 3 days of sales and it's her 71st (!) top 40 song in the UK.

by Anonymousreply 155March 1, 2015 6:23 PM

[quote][R152] has posted the same thing in every single Madonna thread his drug-addled mind could find.

Drugs? No, that's your precious Vadge's territory.

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by Anonymousreply 156March 1, 2015 6:52 PM

Wasn't she an ecstasy abuser at one point?

by Anonymousreply 157March 1, 2015 7:37 PM

Flopdonna! LMAO!

by Anonymousreply 158March 1, 2015 8:28 PM

Lookin' For Love is currently lookin' for a place on the charts, but up until now it has yet to find one.

by Anonymousreply 159March 1, 2015 8:36 PM

[quote]Exactly when did you get over Madonna?


by Anonymousreply 160March 1, 2015 8:38 PM

The day this little bitch was born

by Anonymousreply 161March 1, 2015 9:03 PM

She's still better than all the current pop tarts out there. Beyonce's the only one who comes close, but she doesn't have as many big hits.

by Anonymousreply 162March 1, 2015 9:07 PM


by Anonymousreply 163March 1, 2015 9:09 PM

Lookin' For Love is currently lookin' for a place on the charts, but up until now it has yet to find one. by: JDJ"

Ms. Jackson, you're last lead single peaked at #114 in the UK way back in 2008. It's been even longer since you had a top 10 song on the Hot 100. Madonna had one in 2012.

by Anonymousreply 164March 1, 2015 9:10 PM

LOL at Janbot aka r163 calling anyone else delusional.

by Anonymousreply 165March 1, 2015 9:12 PM

Octber 6, 1982.

by Anonymousreply 166March 1, 2015 9:13 PM

Janet's last Hot 100 #1 was in 2001. Madonna's was in 2000. Janet's was more recent. Janet wins.

by Anonymousreply 167March 1, 2015 9:14 PM

Since 2000 Janet has had 2 singles on the Hot 100 top 10. Madonna has had 6.

Plus, Madonna is a global star, so even when her albums underperform they STILL sell more than Janet's!

by Anonymousreply 168March 1, 2015 9:23 PM

Janet, GLOBAL superstar:

Still holds the record for fastest sellout of the Tokyo Dome

Began her Velvet Rope tour in Europe, where it sold out everywhere

Has legions of fans in South Africa, Asia, Australia and South America

Has had Danish and Russian fan clubs dedicated to her

Witness as Janet is mobbed by fans as she arrives in Australia for the janet. tour...

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by Anonymousreply 169March 1, 2015 9:31 PM


by Anonymousreply 170March 1, 2015 9:37 PM

Janet's German fans go WILD in this clip...

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by Anonymousreply 171March 1, 2015 9:54 PM

^^Danish fans...

by Anonymousreply 172March 1, 2015 9:55 PM

I'm so sick of this shit.

by Anonymousreply 173March 1, 2015 10:36 PM

I was never a huge Madonna fan. That's probably because I started watching MTV when Madonna was in her Music/English Duchess era and I didn't really like the music nor the stuff I read about her in the tabloids. All the albums she released after that were even worse. But listening to some of her older songs (Live to Tell, Frozen, Like a Prayer/Virgin, Vogue, Sanctuary...) makes me understand why she was so big back in the day - she was actually making some really good pop music and even though she was always pretentious/annoying/attention whoring, her music at least made up for it. But the moment she stoped making quality music she became a joke. But even though some of her older stuff was very good it's obvious that she would never become that big without all the crazy antics. Unfortunately she just didn't know when to stop with all the gimmicks (just like Lady Caca) and her attempts at staying relevant are getting more and more pathetic.

by Anonymousreply 174March 1, 2015 11:23 PM

She's just a mouse studying to be a rat

by Anonymousreply 175March 2, 2015 2:16 AM


by Anonymousreply 176March 2, 2015 2:19 AM

When she kissed britney spears on tv

by Anonymousreply 177March 2, 2015 2:27 AM

She is the toast of Cuba this week for her Birthday Celebracions.

by Anonymousreply 178August 19, 2016 9:52 PM

Post divorce from Ritchie, with the mid-life crisis and boy toys. It was all downhill. She can still turn out a good well produced tune, mind you.

by Anonymousreply 179August 19, 2016 11:01 PM

Tuesday July 16,1996 at 4:09pm...

by Anonymousreply 180December 20, 2016 9:11 AM

When Mariah came out with "Vision Quest"

by Anonymousreply 181December 20, 2016 4:05 PM

The concert tour following "Confessions On A Dance Floor". She was late by 2 hours, she was having dinner in Detroit's Greektown. Did not mind her being late a few years earlier in Manhattan... But Detroit? I think her dad was in the Detroit audience show, so she subsituted the 14 minute masterbating scene with a 14 minute nap on stage. She tripped on a jump rope and told us she would make it up to is later. The. Confessions tour had her land in a space ship in the intro... The show a few years later was the pitts... A shallow hommage to Kieth Harring, a Vegas limo etc. She is smart though, the country almost went under with the housing crisis, what I paid 40 for in Detroit cost 300 a few years earlier.. Why should she have put much effort or money into a show that was not going to make her rich. She got the money again with later tours. All artists have only so many tricks in their bag and usually a limited amount of years when God let's the joy flow out, that is early to mid-Madonna. Somewhere she went off track.

by Anonymousreply 182April 18, 2017 3:15 AM

I stopped caring during the break after Bedtime Stories. I was starting to get into grunge/alternative/indie, and by the time her next thing came out, I had become 100% Rock and roll and would've been mortified to maintain my fandom.

I was 10 when I became a fan because of "Like a Prayer" (the video controversy caught my interest, and then I worked backwards) and fifteen when I started to get better/weirder taste in music.

Nothing to do with the quality of her output, which I guess has always been slight. Just me growing up.

It's funny how briefly I was a Madonna fan. It felt like a lifetime at the time, like all things do when you're a kid. But I've been a fan of so many other musicians and songwriters and bands way, way longer than I was a fan of Madonna.

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by Anonymousreply 184April 18, 2017 3:40 AM

When she decided not to age gracefully and got all that bad plastic surgery.

by Anonymousreply 185April 18, 2017 3:47 AM

First time I heard her. Like a Virgin.

by Anonymousreply 186April 18, 2017 3:50 AM

R157 No, she was only ever a moderate user. It's one of the few drugs that's pretty hard to abuse.

by Anonymousreply 187April 18, 2017 3:54 AM

A 2012 Zombie thread, Janbot?

C'mon, you can do better than that!

by Anonymousreply 188April 18, 2017 4:08 AM

When I heard the story of her being incredibly mean to actress Gabby Hoffman who was only a small child at the time...Cunt!

by Anonymousreply 189April 18, 2017 6:21 AM

I also lost interest in her "Lady of the Manor" phase. She got thrown off her horse during a photo shoot and I noticed I was cheering for the horse.

by Anonymousreply 190April 18, 2017 6:45 AM

I always thought she had a ridiculous side starting with "Like a Virgin," but I always thought she was cool until she released "Erotica," which i thought was awful and pretentious, with the "Sex" book, which I thought was ridiculously unsexy. That's when I decided I was tired of her as a performer and thought she was just a humorless tool. I still liked her music through "Ray of Light," though--that was her last song I liked.

by Anonymousreply 191April 18, 2017 7:11 AM

Two parts: A. When her arms got so worked out she began to look like an ape (the video where she is driving the Rolls in an evening gown.) Her body fat was so low she looked aged even though she must have been in early- to mid- thirties.

When she married Guy Ritchie. It was the first time I remember openly pitying her for having to be in the spotlight still - looking ridiculous for her age - on such an occasion. Specifically I remember plaid in a limo?

From there all the way to the grille on Instagram it has just been awkward.

by Anonymousreply 192April 18, 2017 7:19 AM

When she married that English chav and became a British housewife. Everything 2000 on has been horrendous with her. She should have retired January 1, 2000 with some dignity.

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by Anonymousreply 194February 27, 2021 9:09 PM

Everything after Ray of Light. I always thought she was a mean cunt though. She is just not likable as a person.

by Anonymousreply 195February 27, 2021 9:12 PM

I was never UNDER her.

by Anonymousreply 196February 27, 2021 9:26 PM

After Ray of Light. It all went straight downhill after that. She married Guy Ritchie, moved to Britain, hooked up with that no-talent French producer and became batshit crazy with that Kabbalah crap.

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by Anonymousreply 198February 27, 2021 9:33 PM

“I want to be good to my body. I don’t want to stay in the sun too much and eat lots of crappy food and I want to exercise because I want to stay healthy and look good for as long as possible. But I don’t sit here wondering if I’ll still be making videos when I’m 50. I hope that I’ll have three children and that they’ll be the center of my life, not being on MTV.”

-Madonna in 1994.

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by Anonymousreply 199February 27, 2021 10:38 PM

Never. How can one be over Madonna? I can’t m. I may not like certain aspects of her career but has always been a fan regardless

by Anonymousreply 200February 27, 2021 11:29 PM

1987, when I discovered she treated her fans like garbage and everyone else within her orbit. She is petty, stingy, mean and obnoxious.

by Anonymousreply 201February 27, 2021 11:50 PM

When she went back to promoting fur in the mid 80s. For two minutes she was against it and I liked her.

by Anonymousreply 202February 27, 2021 11:53 PM

I'm starting to realize that all these bitches are just narcissistic whores without an ounce of real care for anyone but themselves. I mean, I've always known this, but they are becoming more craven with time, I find, more transparent.

by Anonymousreply 203February 27, 2021 11:56 PM

It's probably superficial on my part, but I think it was the cover and title (including that awful font) of Hard Candy that dd it. It just looked shockingly slapdash and lazy for an artist of her caliber. I'd had my ups and downs with her over the years, but that was the first album I had absolutely no curiosity about at all.

by Anonymousreply 204February 28, 2021 2:13 AM

That tasteless, tacky "Sex" book that fell to pieces if you picked it up three times.

by Anonymousreply 205February 28, 2021 2:32 AM

The first time I saw her, in the video for "Burning Up", on MTV, in 1983.

The Marilyn Monroe-esque look initially piqued my interest, but by the end of the video, I realized there was nothing there.

I never got what all the fuss was about.

I do admire the hustle, though, and the way she unapologetically fucked a bunch of famous guys in order to maintain public interest in her career...eventually turning her career into this sort of weird, meta-statement on female sexuality and its power, and society's reaction to it. Respect.

by Anonymousreply 206February 28, 2021 2:53 AM

When she moved to England and abandoned her home country.

by Anonymousreply 207February 28, 2021 3:07 AM

"Ray of Light" got me over her. "Bedtime Stories" was her last good album. She still had an edge and the music was great. "Ray of Light" is so pedestrian to me -- too pop, too mainstream -- and she never came back. In the late 90s, there were too many other artists making better music, she became just another face in the crowd

by Anonymousreply 208February 28, 2021 3:21 AM

I wonder when she will release another album?How did her last one fare commercially?

by Anonymousreply 209February 28, 2021 4:21 AM

Whatever tour it was where she attached herself to a huge cross (on stage). I understand people mine stuff, like a strict Catholic upbringing, for creative purposes. But when I saw a cross, yet again, I thought enough already. That felt like recycling.

Also, when she started being a fan of Britney Spears, kissing BS and Christina Aguilera on the mouth (then Drake). It did feel like Madonna was trying to suck the youth out of these people and transfer it to herself.

And, yes, that Hard Candy album cover did look cheap and slapped together in 24 hours.

by Anonymousreply 210February 28, 2021 4:44 AM

The second chorus of Holiday.

by Anonymousreply 211February 28, 2021 4:48 AM

20th anniversary? Erotica was released 29 years ago...

by Anonymousreply 212February 28, 2021 6:21 AM

Listening to Madonna was like getting a box of chocolates, biting into one and tasting sawdust.

by Anonymousreply 213February 28, 2021 6:32 AM

“No other artist has a repertoire like hers.”

And this is why I think Madonna fans are morons.

by Anonymousreply 214February 28, 2021 6:50 AM

I like Madonna but she's best in small doses and it's best to ignore her social media. Her music has sucked major balls since COADF and the public lost interest in her. Her fans on Datalounge are very annoying especially if they put down other female artists. Madonna is a great entertainer but she is not an artist. Her job is being a pop star and that's why her attempts at being a serious musician are laughable. She's very intelligent and knew how to reinvent herself and assemble a great team of producers and songwriters. Her 80s and 90s albums were great and I give her credit for always having control of her career and working with the best talent. Madonna contributed a lot to pop culture but she contributed barely anything to actual music. Madonna was popular mostly because on her performances and image. Janet, Paula, Britney

To be fair, I don't consider Elvis, Whitney, Michael Jackson, Celine, Diana and Beyoncé to be artists either. But they are just singers but they definitely influenced many people in both singing style and visual presentation.

James Brown, Joni Mitchell, Odetta, Bob Dylan, Prince, Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gaye, Tracy Chapman and Jill Scott though, those are artists.

by Anonymousreply 215February 28, 2021 7:38 PM

*Same with Janet, Paula, Britney, Kylie and Aaliyah.

by Anonymousreply 216February 28, 2021 7:39 PM

[quote]20th anniversary? Erotica was released 29 years ago...

This thread was started in 2012

by Anonymousreply 217February 28, 2021 7:41 PM

When she started looking like a Fellini movie. Ugh. Poor thing.

by Anonymousreply 218February 28, 2021 8:22 PM

A little over two decades ago when her music went to shit.

by Anonymousreply 219February 28, 2021 8:28 PM

Madonna is ridiculously stubborn. If she went back to an uplifting sound like this and stopped trying to be a weird artiste then she could win a lot of people back.

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by Anonymousreply 220February 28, 2021 8:45 PM

She served poison American Pie from yet another disappointing film outing and I said no more. Confessions was the last music of hers that I found remotely enjoyable for a long player.

by Anonymousreply 221February 28, 2021 9:12 PM

Finally when you decided to upload your 41st or so post asking us all the same thing over and over.

by Anonymousreply 222February 28, 2021 11:48 PM

Madonna's stock plummeted when she released that shitty cover of American Pie in conjunction with the release of that shitty movie The Next Best Thing. She slightly recovered with Music, but I officially abandoned her with American Life. She was essentially dead in my book until the single Die Another Day was released, and she rose like a phoenix from the ashes with Confessions on a Dance. However, it was all a bait and switch. Hard Candy was so horrendous I officially became a detractor.

Madonna is a fucking joke. However, her work from 1984-1998 was flawless. She started teetering in the early 2000s, and I hoped she'd regain her mojo. Alas, she chose to become a caricature of Norma Desmond's crackhead sister.

by Anonymousreply 223March 1, 2021 12:00 AM

I never "got her." Always figured she was a no talent joke who always had a "gimmick" to keep herself in the news. Now she's an old bag that should be reading her Medicare booklet.

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by Anonymousreply 225March 1, 2021 1:24 AM

Did you ever get your answer about why Madonna shits all over Janet Jackson every single time in every single category of comparison OP/Janbot?

Surely you don't want us to list all the reasons Janet Jackson is total failure again do you Shartbot?

by Anonymousreply 226March 1, 2021 1:48 AM

Fried fish 🐠

by Anonymousreply 227March 1, 2021 1:52 AM

I got over her in 1983.

by Anonymousreply 228March 1, 2021 1:54 AM

Pretty much right away.

by Anonymousreply 229March 1, 2021 3:02 AM

It just happened naturally. When Music was released I realised I didn't care to even buy it. I had enjoyed Ray of Light, and thought "Beautiful Stranger" was a great little song but then just stopped caring. I did enjoy some of her stuff after that, like Confessions, but really, I was nowhere near as interested in her as I had been. When the buzz for Hard Candy was coming out and it was all about her working with Timberland and Pharrell it just seemed so unlike her, so desperate for hits, and then Timberland was all: "we were creating music that will remind listeners of "Holiday" and "Lucky Star"" which is always a warning sign that the upcoming album is no good. I just sort of rolled my eyes and moved on.

by Anonymousreply 230March 1, 2021 9:18 AM
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