Is Mitt Romney the Zodiac Killer?

How hard would it be for him to drive over from Provo for a little murder on the side?

Cryptograms, strange symbols, costumes, policing amorous displays of affection.

I guess the place to look would be the East Coast. You'd want to look for zodiac style murders happening there in 1971-1975.

From 1969-1971 he lived in Provo, Utah, just a day's drive from the Bay Area, which he knew from his Stanford days, prowling around in his Rambler, pulling cars over.

After 1971 when he leaves for Boston, the only two possible Zodiac murders were one in Lake Tahoe and one in Santa Barbara. Unless he started murdering out on the East Coast.

Holy shit, please let this catch on.

Some Mormon symbols. Is the cross in a circle Romney's version of the Nauvoo pentagram in a circle?

More Mormon symbols

The killer talked about making slaves to serve him in paradise. That's sort of Mormonish. Look at the sketch. Take off the glasses.

The perp was 6 feet 200. Romney was certainly 6 feet, but we don't have photos of him that heavy. Of course he could have carried gear that made him seem stocky.

I love this thread... I don't know much about Zodiac, but I'll follow the thread and see what other parallels folks can draw.

Love, love, love this thread.

Here's the only sample of Mitt's writing I could find.

Here's the first official "Zodiac" letter.

Has Romney ever spoken about a fondness for puzzles and word games?

In this Zodiac letter, you see the weird (seriously, I haven't seen this little quirk much at all) way that Mitt does is "i's" They are curved. They are curved in both the Zodiac letter and Mitt's signature.

Pretty sure he is. I read it somewhere.

Oh please oh please let this catch on.

We need to start a whispering campaign... start gaming seach engines like was done for "Santorum"...

R3 is him. I am scared.

In case anyone was still in doubt over whether the Obama campaign was going to use Romney's Mormonism .. this thread is a start. Look for a lot more.

Well, thank God. It's about time, r19.

What does Romney being the Zodiac have to do with his Mormonism?

Have you ever seen them in the same room?

"The weirdness fits."

There's an understatement.

I'd love to see this go viral, OP.

I would love that too, r24. How can we make that happen, Datalounge?

R14, he's mentioned a fondness for everything else. Every time he's asked his favorite movie, hobby, or musician the answer changes. The only thing that seems to stay the same is his favorite song "Crying" by Roy Orbison and his favorite quote "The pursuit of the difficult makes men strong." (kind of jibes with the Zodiac's "Man is the most dangerous animal of all to kill, it gives me the most thrilling experience, something better than getting your rocks off with a girl." thing)

He lies about everything else but his lies about hunting were particularly odd. He positioned himself as a lifelong expert hunter of "small varmints" but officially he's only been hunting twice.

R25, you do research like I am and you make gifs of side by side comparisons of his pictures as a youth and the Zodiac composite sketch and type something like "Is Mitt Romney the Zodiac Killer" and post them at other websites that you frequent. Places like Reddit, Fark and other news aggregators would be the first start. Using the same phrase "Is Mitt Romney the Zodiac Killer?" gives more google results.

That's it: I'm convinced. Clearly, Mitt Romney is the Zodiac Killer!

[quote]The only thing that seems to stay the same is his favorite song "Crying" by Roy Orbison

Ooh! Like Club Silencio in "Mulholland Drive." All about secret identities, dual personas and facades. "No hay Banda! There is no band! It's all an illusion."

I am not in the Obama campaign R19. Just a private citizen struck by the coincidences.

When he showed them his uniform and said he used to actually pull people over...not only highly illegal, but something one would only do for some kind of sexual or control fetish.

Why couldn't they find samples of his handwriting? Is he trying to not write in longhand because he doesn't want anyone comparing it with the zodiac letters? I did notice in that zodiac notes lots of flying bars on the I's and T's

Look at the sharp decisive "needle" M's and W's.

Both Mitt and the Zodiac were freakishly clean cut for the times. Look again at the sketch. The jaw is the same and sort of unusual too.

A cop claims there was a coverup by the city's powerbrokers. Maybe he was right and was just wrong about which suspect the powerbrokers were covering.

R31, every article I saw about Mitt's handwriting bemoaned the lack of samples of it. How is it that he was involved in the running of a Mormon mission, in business and in politics for a lifetime and there are no writing samples? He killed someone in his car crash (the woman who was the wife of his boss) I wonder if he did any more killing?

A picture of Mitt from around that time. Look at the nose and eyebrows. It's also not hard to believe him to be 200lbs. Especially looking 200lbs when armed with a gun.

A woman was killed in a car crash with Romney? Why don't we ever hear about this?

He has clearly had a nose job at some point along with his jawline tightening done recently.

What will those of us who believe Romeny is the Zodiac killer be known as? What will be the equivalent of the "birthers"? We should keep insisting he is the killer even if and when we are confronted by mountains of evidence proving otherwise. We must insist and insist and be stubborn as a pack of mules.

Why are Mitt AND his dad laughing at a toddler falling on his fucking head?? Maybe he gets it from his dad?

There won't be mountains of evidence to the contrary R38. There won't be any and they won't provide any.

I admit it seems unlikely, but the Zodiac killer is very unlikely. There continues to be a huge disconnect between the people suspected and the kind of person the Zodiac was. I mean serial killers can be and often are quite smart, but what is almost never true is that a serial killer is liberally educated in the sense of taking their worldview from a short story like "The Most Dangerous Game." 99.9% of Americans of that era, even violent, creepy, and silly ones, would never base a crime spree on a literary work. I don't even see George Hodel doing such a thing, and he was a child genius. No, this killer was someone for whom a traditional high level humanities education was a serious thing that had something to say to contemporary Americans about life.

It'd be interesting to know the timeline of Mitt's life in the year after he sustained that big head injury in France. Did Anne break up with him before or after that? When did he get back together with her? When was he sent home? When he did marry her and move to Provo? Of course nobody really knows when the Zodiac started although 1969-1971 were the years everyone seems agreed on.

Mitt Romney murdered people for fun? Wow...

Why the mention of the black panther who joined the Mormons in this possible zodiac note?

Not fun. Sexual gratification. Didn't the Zodiac stop around the time Mitt got married?

Zodiac gets preachy in this letter.

Romney was married in 1969 so no.

Oh, well. I thought I'd try the ain't getting any or can't get it up angle for motive.

There was no motive, R47, except a desire for fame and power, an indifference to the fate of others, and a fondness for killing humans for sport.

Now, Romney has definitely shown a massive desire for fame and power, an indifference to the suffering of others... and NEVER ONCE has he denied he likes killing humans for sport!

And sexual kink of course.

r48 - I'm in stitches at "and NEVER ONCE has he denied he likes killing humans for sport!"

Well, it's TRUE, R50!

I agree, this has the potential to be huge. It need to be big enough to get an official comment on. And if you've had to officially comment on a accusation that you are a serial killer, then your are basically fucked when running for pres.

And even if Romney says "I, Mitt Romney, am not the Zodiac Killer." All I hear is Romney and Zodiac Killer in the same sentence.

I wonder if he really was the killer?

Probably. Why did they never catch him? Too powerful.

Obama. The candidate that hasn't committed a spree of murders.

Could we run on that?

The candidate that hasn't committed a spree of murders. Or tortured animals.

"Obama: The only candidate in this election that doesn't take joy from firing people. And killing them."

Due to libel laws we'd have to take the world "only" out of your log line r57. But yours is the best so far.

"Obama: the only candidate that doesn't kill people, then drive their dead bodies around in a Cadillac, while torturing a dog on the top of the car."

Shouldn't it read "...or killing them." "and" might be laying it on thick.

Obama: the only candidate that doesn't torture animals, fire people and kill them, drive their dead bodies around in Cadillacs and hide the millions and billions of dollars in offshore accounts.

Not only that but someone (John Aravosis?) has tried to link Zodiac to Newt Gingrich (who obviously was too short).

Romney has a history of deflections, like when a story was planted suggesting Jerry Sandusky would be a SANTORUM supporter when in fact it is the Romney campaigns in 2008 and 2012 which are involved with creepy pedophiles and child discipline camps.

I think there is someone here who's talented enough to make a website (use a blog template, whatever) for an "Is Romney the Zodiac Killer?" all out blitz where the good people of the internet make it a top google hit for the search Mitt Romney. Datalounge can be headquarters where we guide you if you need it.

I'm detective Gordon and this is the bat-signal, designers of DL.

Romney has not responded to this question.

Newt is too fucking fat and stupid to be the Zodiac killer.

And he runs his jibs too damned much.

Rom-bot seems the type, though.

[quote]I think there is someone here who's talented enough to make a website (use a blog template, whatever) for an "Is Romney the Zodiac Killer?"

I can't believe the Zodiac Killer Wikipedia page hasn't been updated to include this new theory.

He has the same hairstyle

He's had some VERY 'typical' serial killer behaviors.

1.Dressing up as a police officer

2. Cruelty to animals

bump

No empathy

Zodiac--12 star signs

The foundation of the Mormon Temple? 12 Stones serving as a foundation for the baptismal font:

{quote]Carved into the exterior granite walls are representations of various celestial bodies, including stars, moons, and suns, which stand as symbols of the Mormon belief in a three-tiered afterlife in which the three "degrees of glory" kingdoms are said to possess the brightness of stars, the moon, and the sun, respectively. In the basement of each temple is a font for baptisms that is built upon the backs of twelve stone or bronze oxen

Coincidence? I think not.

I want to see Romney's Earth Certificat!

That's just a joke R72. The idea that Mitt could be the Zodiac killer (or the father of his aunt's aborted baby) is all too real.

He returned from France in Dec. '68.

Weird article here. Note one of the admirers says he remembers Mitt playing football with his kids on the front lawn. Mitt married add in March '69, and he left Provo forever after June '71. So how is he out playing football with his sons unless some of his sons were born out of wedlock?

Also the fake story about the oral exam. If pleading ignorance was how Mitt got an A, then his BYU education wasn't worth very much.

It appears more likely the stories are all fake, concocted by the author.

But note his original "plan" was to go to BYU for a semester and then transfer back to Stanford so he had a clearly stated wish to be in the Bay Area.

We must demand a handwriting sample from Mitt Romney. Also his whereabouts for all the Zodiac murders in 1969, 1970, and 1971.

And maybe the ones years earlier. Remember he was in France in 1966-1968

"That's just a joke [R72]. The idea that Mitt could be the Zodiac killer (or the father of his aunt's aborted baby) is all too real."

No, it is a joke, but one based on Romney's air of arrogant, soulless, creepiness. If he wanted to kill people for fun, he would.

It is not a joke. The first murders happened in Vallejo, on the very northeast tip of the Bay Area back then, the place someone would choose who was coming from the east or making a getaway in that direction. Romney lived in Provo just a day's drive away.

I love this thread.

I do, too, r80. I wish the idea was gaining traction outside of DL. Has anyone tried posting this theory on any of the conspiracy sites like AboveTopSecret?

I can confirm that Mitt's minions have now seen it.

I tried posting about it on Fark, twice. Nobody said a word.

I agree this isn't a joke. It's a real lead for the case. It needs to be publicized.

Donald Trump has yet to question Mitt's involvement with the zodiac killings. That's a pretty stinging indictment. If The Donald isn't willing to talk about it, it means that even insane people realize Mitt's guilty.

I posted it on an ostensibly anti-Mitt site and they deleted it. I wonder some times if some of the anti-Mitt sites aren't really funded by Mitt.

So... he's a bigamist AND a serial killer?

No probably just a serial killer...and a statutory rapist.

Mitt Romney has said (most recently this week) that "Battlefield Earth,” Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard’s 1982 science fiction epic is his favorite novel.

Did anyone see the note he left for the press during his bus trip?

This man is BEYOND fucking crazy.

You know, that does kind of look like the Zodiac's handwriting.

We need to ask why the authorities aren't investigating Mitt Romney as a "person of interest" in the Zodiac Killer case.

Cripes, that creepy note he left for the press really does look Zodiacish.

Let's put them side by side.

The Y's and S's are the same.

the "e" is quite similar

It's settled then. Mitt Romney is the Zodiac Killer without question.

Letterman has been really good about making digs at him; maybe we could get him to hint at this.

Someone here knows Dave or at least a staffer - put in the word!

He's trying to disguise his t's now by crossing them instead of letting them fly.

He won't get that past us, r99, now will he? Who does he think we are, rookies?

Obama. The only one not under investigation for a few pesky murders he doesn't remember the details of, but the victims weren't gay because he knows that for a fact, if there were, in fact, any victims. And Seamus.

He made all the i's straight too without the little wiggle at the bottom that are in his signature and the Zodiac notes. No doubt about it, he's doing this in response to our thread!

Yes, r101. And how very Zodiac of him to do that.

I'm killing as I type this.

I deleted your hard drives, you bastards.

Ha!

Funny how all through late May and early June we were treated to an inexplicable rise in Mitt's popularity; and now suddenly his mo' seems to have stopped and one poll has him way down.

The media is playing games.

Just like the Zodiac Killer did.

Aside from his involvement in the zodiac killings, he still hasn't offered up an alibi for Nov. 22, 1963. Was he eating chicken with noodles?

Nothing he did would really surprise me

Too young R107, don't be childish. This isn't about "making shit up" like Republicans do. It's about investigating seriously whether or not he did the zodiac killings.

It's amazing to me how the Main Stream Media is covering this revelation up. They're not talking about it at ALL!

Everyone needs to go Google "Mitt Romney Zodiac Killer" right now!

okay R11

So they got it removed from Google?

[quote]In case anyone was still in doubt over whether the Obama campaign was going to use Romney's Mormonism .. this thread is a start

Good. Next I hope they'll kick him in the balls, poke him in the eyes, scratch, bit, spit, if necessary. Democrats need to get over this idea that they're too good to lower themselves to a fight. I don't want this evil man picking Supreme Court justices.

[quote] NEVER ONCE has he denied he likes killing humans for sport!

Outrageous! When will the media DEMAND a statement?

[quote] if you've had to officially comment on a accusation that you are a serial killer, then your are basically fucked when running for pres

Really? He killed someone in a car crash. He tortured a dog. He admitted he likes firing people. Witnesses confirm he was a vicious, homophobic bully in school. He's reversed every political stance he's ever held at least once. He comes off in speeches and interviews like a poorly programmed robot who's just pretending to be human. Yet, here we are.

The hairline is similar to the police sketch.

There has to be someone somewhere who was pulled over by Mitt as a joke.

Okay, according to the websites, the for sure Zodiac killings are Dec 20, 1968 near Vallejo, July 5, 1969 near Vallejo, Sept. 27 1969 ear Vallejo, and October 11, 1969 in SF even though several said 5 foot 8, one 5 foot 10 and one 6 feet for the height. The cab driver killing left fingerprints.

The maybe Zodiac killing are 63 Santa Barbara, 66 Riverside (a stabbing), March 22 70 Paterson CA (stabbing), and a missing person September 6, 1970 Lake Tahoe.

I think we can rule out any stabbings for Mitt as requiring personal courage.

In 63 Mitt was in high school, but his Dad was a former LA resident so it would not be impossible for them to vacation in Santa Barbara.

In 66 he was first at Stanford with his Rambler and then in France on mission, but that was a stabbing.

He returned from France in Dec 68 and he might have journeyed to Provo, Utah to pop the question to Ann or to Stanford to check on re-enrolling, so he might have been in the area.

Interestingly, there was then a long hiatus before more killings.

The only one that seems problematic are September and October if he was actually at BYU studying. But he might have played hooky from class a few times, colleges tended to be lax about attendance back in the day. Particularly if he was trying to arrange a transfer back to Stanford (which never happened).

The weapon was usually a .22 pistol or rifle but with rifle bullets. We know Romney had a .22 rifle as a teenager.

Please keep going

When you read the letters, they sound best in Mitt's voice.

Who thinks something happened at Stanford that made them hustle him off to France on mission. Remember, his dad was running for president at the time.

Uppity up up.

A conservative website tried to give Romney an alibi for the first zodiac killing...except that no killings before Dec. 20, 1968 when he was back in France, can be definitely assigned to zodiac. Why would they do that back in February when nobody thought of Mitt as a weirdo killer....unless he is a suspect on a police tip file?

Obviously there's a huge cover-up.

back from France, not back in France.

Vallejo has had relentless police and fire cutbacks in recent years. I wonder if any of the records were...uh...tampered with.

Tammy Bruce (via the Onion) is now trying to tie him to JonBenet Ramsey's murder...as satire. This is a disinformation campaign, isn't it. This is what they do when they don't want people examining real possibilities.

Yes, he is the Zodiac Killer.

He hasn't denied the accusation so it must be true.

I am more and more convinced he is by the day.

October surprise?

Sorry Mitt is not the killer. He would have to be human first.

I'm by no means an expert on the subject but didn't he call into a live TV broadcast at some point? Can't we compare voice samples?

No way. He would outsource those killings to someone else.

I hadn't read this thread before, but finally did today and was intrigued.

I put a few of these images together.

I am a little scared.

I think the debate moderator should ask him this question point-blank during the Presidential Debates.

If he says "no", then we know he IS, because we know he lies about EVERYTHING!

If he says "yes", then he's just admitted it on national TV!

r133. Oh my god that is incredible.

You bring up an interesting scenario, R134. If he says "Yes," what could it possibly mean?

Given Romney's problem with the truth, I'm kind of thinking an admission of guilt would be proof of his innocence. If he isn't the Zodiac killer, would he have the ability to make such a claim?

What are the chances he would ever say "yes" R136?

[quote]What are the chances he would ever say "yes" [R136]?

1 in 2 if history is reliable.

'Screech' from Saved by the Bell is the great, great grandson of Jack the Ripper. And he has the same type of rampage in mind.

Mitt Romney is an anagram for Memo Tin Try. Coincidence?

I love this!!

It's all about the code.

If we can trace it back to the source, we can nail this motherfucker.

Mormon plates

R137--if he said "yes," I think it would make sense to assume he is not the zodiac killer.

First, he's made it pretty clear that he prefers not to utter true statements.

Second, he's not the kind of person who would admit to any atrocities he might have committed.

While Mitt Romney is the kind of person who would feel quite proud about taking innocent lives, he would be compelled by his inability to tell the truth to brag about it.

R144, he freely admits to the atrocity he committed with his own family pet... and even laughs about it.

VERY psychopathic. VERY serial-killer-like.

Mitt talked often of his fondness for guns until it was discovered he's not a registered gun owner.

Ah, but r145--the fact he brags about it calls into question whether or not it really happened.

I'm sure he wishes he were the kind of person who did that to a dog, and there's no reason to not believe he would do that kind of thing. But, on the other hand, he owns up to having done that, which means he probably didn't.

My guess is that he paid somebody to strap the dog to the top of a station wagon and drive the poor thing around on the interstate

What a weird Romney apologist R147. The whole point of the story in the first place was to show what a regular, non-privileged guy he was that he had to load up a station wagon to drive to his summer home in Canada.

Why aren't any of the debate moderators asking this question??

maybe it will come up in the third debate

Mitt Romney does not strike me as the type of person who would murder someone. I'm sure has people to take care of things like that.

Doesnt anybody else find it strange that mitt has had no affairs, and has had sex with the same person for 40 years? That creeps me out the most. Where does he get his rocks off? Sure would explain the zodiac killings.

I love it every time this thread is bumped.

Try to read one of the Zodiac letters NOT in Mitt Romney's voice...

The Zodiac killer? Amateur.

This is a delicious thread, but I'd always held onto the idea that the Zodiac was 30something or at least late 20s.

Isn't 22 (Mitt's age in 1969, when the murders started) a tad young and immature for such a sophisticiated killer?

He wasn't that sophisticated. He just found people in deserted situations and shot them. I guess his notes were sophisticated in that they have a code that hasn't been solved but who says there's even a code?

not the Zodiac killer but more deadly to our country.

Serial killers in the United States are usually white males, possess an IQ in the "bright normal" range, torture animals, are egocentric and without empathy, and appear normal and charming.

Wow, I never read this thread for obvious reasons, but you make a very good case! The police uniform habit is extremely telling. So has someone collected the relevant quotes about hunting, guns etc?

"I purchased a gun when I was a young man. I've been a hunter pretty much all my life." (Romney's campaign later said he'd been hunting twice, once when he was 15, and once in 2006 at a Republican fundraiser

"I'm not a big-game hunter. I've made that very clear. I've always been a rodent and rabbit hunter. Small varmints, if you will."

r117 makes a very convincing case.

You have to wonder. Is there anyone in the world familiar with Mitt Romney who would be particularly surprised if it turned out he was a serial killer?

Well, a lot serial killers are heavily involved in church. There's always a friend or neighbor who is shocked b/c the guy parked their ass in a pew an hour a week.

Ann Romney has stated that if he were to be elected President, she would be most concerned for Mitt's mental well being. Is his sanity hanging by a thread? His eyes were piercing in a very unsettling way during tense moments in the last two debates.

True R165, this theory is SOOO much more believable than Obama being some sort of Muslim mercenary trained by communists and his porn star mother that the rightwing is peddling. Seriously, look again at Zodiac's police sketch and why are there so few samples of Mitt's handwriting?

Do you think we had any actual serial killers for president yet?

Let's hope we don't start now...

I disagree, R168.

I just read that on the internet, so it must be true!

Have we missed another possible suspect.

1. Photo. Note resemblance to the famous Zodiac sketch

2. Note handwriting, and bizarre notes, statements - click through to see them all.

All we really need to open the discussion seriously is some evidence that Mittster is into codes.

I still think Mitt Romney is the Zodiac Killer

It's kind of weird that Gingrich, Romney, and the Zodiac killer all have similar handwriting. Manchurian candidates?

IF he were into codes, that probably would have first surfaced at Cranbrook or Stanford. Do you suppose they might have had some club associated with such things? He might have held off while he was killing but after he moved to Boston he might have started up again.

This was one of my fave threads.

There are literally only two samples of Mitt's handwriting available. So few that two of the articles I read made mention of the weirdness of that.

Again, look at the police sketch. Take off the glasses.

Now that the election is over, perhaps we ought to notify the authorities. Is anyone actively investigating the Zodiac case at this point?

If mitt is the zodiac, Obama is a Nigerian national.

Hardly R179. You need to read the thread, at least until Brandon decides he was the zodiac killer in a past life.

The Mitt theory has more to it than a lot of the other ones out there.

Has he ever directly addressed the charge?

Who financed Hodel's kid's work?

I think it's Pelosi. Look at her eyes.

Bump

guitly

And now people joke about Ted Cruz being the Zodiac. Classic misdirection.

What’s the best documentary on this with the most probable suspect?