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Do the Mormons own Ancestry.com?

I heard the Mormons own Ancestry.com - that they're facinated by knowing, and cataloging info on every person they can. I want to join, but don't want to give any $ to such an anti-gay company, or organization. Anyone know the true story?

by Anonymousreply 11305/21/2015

Staffed by Mormons, they may have some non-Mormons associated with it, but it started as a bunch of Mormon scammers. I was an early member back when they had no data (their business model is that their users provide all their data at no cost to them) and when I cancelled they refused to process it. They made excuses for month after month until finally I got B of A to threaten them if they ever charged me again. It pains me to see them ruling the airwaves and spawning prime-time shows now, because I know what kind of scamming scum they really are.

by Anonymousreply 405/14/2012

It's safe to assume anything genealogy-related is Mormon.

by Anonymousreply 505/14/2012

R9 I liked that show. Disappointed it's being cancelled. I knew something was up about a month ago when the show was no longer listed in TVGuide.com even though new episodes were airing. Paula Deen will be on the final episode this Friday.

Genealogy is a big thing for mormons. On an episode of Hoarders a mother took a family history portfolio from her daughter when the cleaning crew discovered it and it created a big fight because the daughter wanted it.

by Anonymousreply 1105/14/2012

wow, i had no idea.

damn, i hate them.

by Anonymousreply 1205/15/2012

I think GenWeb is the least infected with Mormon crap.

by Anonymousreply 1505/15/2012

Familysearch is indeed owned by the LDS church. Ancestry is fundamentally a competitor. Familysearch is free, and has some overlapping sets of records with Ancestry. Sometimes one or the other do better or worse jobs in indexing them, however it's clear that, with rare exceptions they are competitors. (One exxception revolves around the 1880 census, for which LDS did the original index but Ancestry posted the images. So you could get the information for free but had to subscribe to Ancestry to see the original census pages.)

Serious genealogists (and I consider myself one) are finally accepting that there can be an incredible amount of actual source material on line. For a long time about all you could get on line was undocumented family trees that were of errors and continually repeating invented and fradulent information. Increasingly, material only available many miles away or on microfilm ordered on loan (yes, sometimes from the Mormons) is now available on line. This is not without cost, of course, particularly if good indexes, which must be compiled by humans, are desired.

So, we accept that an Ancestry subscription is required and the FamilySearch is a real resource. For what you pay it is not a bad deal. And since it is the biggest game in town, it also is more likely to put you in contact with distant cousins, if that interests you. (Not me, particularly.) But there can be a collaborative spirit around research that is a good thing.

And Ancestry offers a pretty decent menu of options to prevent people that you don't want to connect with from being able to harrass you, and ways to post a certain amount of your information without posting it all. One soon learns to be caustious as there are a few people who want to just copy all your research and then post it as their own without any credit, or take working hypotheses and claim they are true. You get the idea.

Most of the Mormons I've run into in doing research have been a little naive, pretty trusting, and very hardworking. Clearly I have major issues with the church around many things. Using their data isn't one of them.

And genealogists as a whole are perfectly happy to tap into these resources without subscribing to any of the LDS faith. One of these days the head of the church will announce a revelation that gay people are also creatd in God's image or are gods waiting to happen or whatever, and the masses will blindly follow along.

I too will miss Who Do You Think You Are. A nice way to wrap up my week. And a little different perspective than Skip Gates' Sunday night series. I suspect it cost more to produce than the one on PBS. More travel to Europe, etc. The research angle was better done on it, however, than Skip Gates' show, which tends to emphasize social issues and historical context, with a theme for each show. Skip Gates, who I think must be a big ole homo, had Wanda Sykes on his show last week. And he's not afraid of telling the world who she is (nor is she, of course.)

I've prattled on for far too long, DL friends....

by Anonymousreply 1605/15/2012

[quote]I've prattled on for far too long, DL friends....

Meh, we're used to it.

lol, j/k!

Actually, since your post was quite informative and not focussed solely on yourself, it's perfect!

by Anonymousreply 1705/15/2012

[quote]I knew something was up about a month ago when the show was no longer listed in TVGuide.com even though new episodes were airing.

Get a load of Ms. Nancy Drew!

by Anonymousreply 1905/15/2012

r13, what part of r5's post did you not get?

Pretty much every genealogy company is run by Mormons.

Ancestry.com is based in Provo, Utah. It's a fucking Mormon company.

by Anonymousreply 2005/15/2012

The thing I object to most is the desecration of old documents around the world by Mormons. They quietly go the churches and cathedrals looking for birth/death records and leave with the actual page that they want, ripped from the book. Fuckers.

by Anonymousreply 2205/15/2012

Professional archivist here. I can tell you that the best genealogists out there are Mormons. It wouldn't surprise me if the LDS church had a huge financial stake in Ancestry.com.

I use Ancestry all the time in researching new collections--you have to be careful with what you use, though; remember, most of the content is uploaded by volunteers and hobbyists. That said, if the records you are using are census records, military records or county records, what you're looking at is most likely accurate.

by Anonymousreply 2305/15/2012

"Mormons" have @ the second largest Family History Website -- FamilySearch.org It is second to Ancestry. It is totally free and gets about 8,ooo,ooo hits a day. Why would they spend all that money if they owned Ancestry?? FamilySearch is great and gets better everyday. They add original record images from all over the world every day. All this is free with no advertising. Try out their WIKI to guide you through finding your ancestors.

by Anonymousreply 2409/19/2012

Because Mormons are trying to control all of genealogy R24. Duh.

by Anonymousreply 2509/19/2012

A friend of mine does a lot of genealogical research and has been told several times by public officials that a lot of the pages of public records were stolen by Mormon "researchers". They come in to "look" and tear out pages and disappear.

by Anonymousreply 2609/19/2012

They do the same with all books which do not compliment them. They used to go around to public libraries with a list of books to remove.

by Anonymousreply 2709/19/2012

23andMe is pricey but they give you a list of people who share your DNA and what your lIkely relationship is. I got 760 names.

by Anonymousreply 2809/19/2012

So WHAT if they baptize you after death? Do you actually believe they are sending you to Mormon Heaven? I did genealogy research on a number of lines for about 10 years and their information, web sites, and microfilm are tremendous sources. You can't believe everything, you have to evaluate what you find. Even official records sometimes have errors. And yes, there ARE people who use your research and claim it and repeat your possibilities as facts. It didn't bother me too much, because I had the fun of finding the information and THEY are the ones being cheats.

by Anonymousreply 2909/19/2012

[quote]I was proxy baptized when alive. Fuck those mormons and their brand of crazy.

Deets, please!

by Anonymousreply 3009/19/2012

It's damn expensive, I never joined because of the price.

by Anonymousreply 3109/19/2012

"Who Do You Think You Are" was interesting. My family is distantly related to Rob Lowe through his East line.

by Anonymousreply 3209/19/2012

[quote]It's damn expensive, I never joined because of the price.

It's FREE to create an account and build a family tree.

You pay to have access to all the records an to other people's trees.

But...the record searches do work and give you a list of results that are only partially blocked out. You can then find most of the records on familysearch for free.

by Anonymousreply 3309/19/2012

r34 is Mormon and lost apparently.

by Anonymousreply 3501/11/2013

[quote]They do the same with all books which do not compliment them. They used to go around to public libraries with a list of books to remove.

Other groups do it too -- for a while, the study on the USS Liberty sinking was the book most stolen from libraries.

by Anonymousreply 3601/11/2013

Most public library web sites have good genealogy research databases you can use for free. All you need to do is get a library card number (which is free at your library) in order to use their databases.

by Anonymousreply 3701/11/2013

FYI- Ancestry.com is NOT owned by the LDS Church, as they have their own company likened to Anecstry.com. Secondly, it's not all run by Mormons... on the contrary. The CEO is the former CEO of Match.com, the General Counsel and CFO come from Omnimedia (Martha Stewarts Empire). They have majority of the workforce living in Park City and commuting to Utah County. It's a progressive, diverse and intelligent workforce.

by Anonymousreply 3802/21/2013

The Mormon's have a building next to the church that is used for genealogical research. I went in and they are very nice and helpful.

I'm in Michigan so not certain how they have it setup elsewhere.

by Anonymousreply 3902/21/2013

Did some famil tree research for my mom asd a xmas present last year, joined Ancestry.com and it was very very useful. I did not buy a memebership, but even the basic free sxtuff enabled me to find an incredible amount of family history...,so much it became overwhelming trying to pick just a few main branches to trace back.

Best find was my grandmothers' family founded York, Maine ( her family name btw)back in the earl;y 1600's, left England in 1636. One ancestor was the Standard bearer ( and alleged boyfriend) of William The Conqueror back in 1066. Most amazingly I am a direct descendant of Charlemagne, Holy Roman Emporer in 800 AD.

Presented this gift to my mom in a printed encapsulation , proudly told her of our royal lineage.

Her only question was "Who's Charline Mang?"

by Anonymousreply 4303/19/2013

I certainly know more about the Mormons than you do R40. It is the Mormons who are the closest thing in the U.S. to the followers of Hitler and Stalin. And they have had a baneful influence of genealogy since they have low standards. I've yet to meet a Mormons whose family tree was not full of people for whom they have no real evidence.

by Anonymousreply 4403/19/2013

Hi! Responding to this thread that was linked on exmormon.org. Visit if you have any questions about Mormonism and posters who are now Ex-Mormons or questioning are happy to answer anything you want to know. For Ancestry.com, I used to work for them when they had a call center in Provo, UT under MyFamily.com. It is not a Mormon owned company, but it has some ties to it, especially since Mos are really into the genealogy thing.

I worked in the account saves department, meaning I had to talk people out of canceling their accounts. It was pretty bad at times, especially since this company practices automatic renewals and didn't send reminder emails or call when the subscription was about to renew. This also happened with free trials, so people were pretty pissed when they called in and found their accounts where charged $200 dollars for something they didn't even really want, and on top of it, bank fees if there wasn't enough to cover the charge.

by Anonymousreply 4504/13/2013

Stay away from that shit! Crazy mormons will convert your dead ancestors to their whack job cult in absentia! Don't give them names and do their job for them!

by Anonymousreply 4709/12/2013

[quote]Our founding fathers would be rolling over in their graves if they could see how that one statement, "Freedom of Speech" has been so defiled.

This coming from the person who has no clue what the founding fathers meant by Freedom of Speech.

by Anonymousreply 4809/12/2013

[quote] They have some weird doctrinal belief that if you baptize someone, even after death, they are retroactively granted entry into the Mormon afterlife. So, lots of Mormons have their non-Mormon ancestors baptized as Mormons.

I wish the Muslims would start doing these baptisms to Mormons. The Mormons would have a fit

by Anonymousreply 4909/12/2013

[quote]lots of Mormons have their non-Mormon ancestors baptized as Mormons.

So why do they keep baptizing Anne Frank?

by Anonymousreply 5009/12/2013

[quote] I worked in the account saves department,

What do I need to do to get a discount?

by Anonymousreply 5109/12/2013

More than once for Anne Frank? Is it not taking or something?

I hope she has one of those cards like you get at Subway. If they stamp it for 10 baptisms you get a pair of the Mormon magic underwear for free.

by Anonymousreply 5209/12/2013

Why do I care if they proxy baptize me or my dead relatives? It's totally fake. I will pray that God makes them gay.

by Anonymousreply 5309/12/2013

I like that idea. Can we make that a thing? Ceremonies to turn famous people gay, like a baptism ceremony.

by Anonymousreply 5409/12/2013

What I don't understand is why anyone who doesn't believe in religious mumbo jumbo would care if some ritualistic incantation is performed for already-dead family?

Hell I don't even care if they make soup with their bones. The accuracy of their information is all that should count.

by Anonymousreply 5509/12/2013

R55 The bigger issue is their dishonesty. They say they stopped doing it decades ago, but in fact, they continue to do so. If you cant trust them on that issue, why should you trust the information they are selling to you is accurate?

by Anonymousreply 5609/12/2013

We should get Ronald Reagan's bones and baptize him gay posthumously. That would really piss Fox News off. We could give him a posthumous gay wedding to the still living Sheppard Smith.

by Anonymousreply 5709/12/2013

But do they still do that thing where the old mormon guy takes the teenage mormon boy into a dark closet and anoints his genitals with the 'holy oil'? That used to be one of Mitten's duties, back in the day.

by Anonymousreply 5809/12/2013

[quote]because it offers solace in life's darkest moments. It can be used for good (the abolitionist movement) or for evil (the Inquisition, Muslim extremism, etc.) Religion has always been, and will always be, a part of the human experience.

The same could be said for whiskey, and it's cheaper than all that hocus-pocus.

by Anonymousreply 5909/12/2013

[quote] It can be used for good (the abolitionist movement)

Religion was also used to justify slavery, so that kind of cancels out the connection to the abolitionist movement.

by Anonymousreply 6009/12/2013

r18, I think Stalin is now, in his afterlife, a Mormon as well even though for a while he studied to be a Georgian Orthodox priest. R34 needs to learn the difference between their and they're---"oh dear".

If we can't trust them about this, can we trust them about polygamy?

by Anonymousreply 6109/12/2013

[quote]Religion ... will always be a part of the human experience.

Being a believer that the world spins forward only, I reject your prophecy.

by Anonymousreply 6209/12/2013

R64, are you serious?

by Anonymousreply 6510/14/2013

Maddie, people like me left religion and would rather not be pulled back in. I don't believe in an after-life, so there would be no "choice" by your standards. That said, what would I care? I'm dead.

However, if I were Jewish and, let's say, your church baptized my grandfather who exterminated in the holocaust BECAUSE of his faith, I would be, rightfully, incensed.

by Anonymousreply 6810/14/2013

I did some genealogical research and discovered I am not only a queen, but also a GODDESS!

I want my protein shake and crème brulee NOW!!!!

by Anonymousreply 7110/22/2013

Good lord, how did the Mormons find this thread and start their PR spiel? That infamous niceness carries a high price, especially for women and for anyone, gay or otherwise, who dares to question the total authority of the leaders.

R70 needs to check the history - polygamy, or "plural marriage", was officially suspended by the church twice, in 1890 and 1904, and even then it didn't stop completely for many more years (google Richard R. Lyman for an example.) And it wasn't ENDED, merely suspended in the present dispensation. The 'revelations' make it clear that it could be reinstated on earth at any time should god so decide (or the legal climate made it safe.)

LDS men can still be 'sealed', or married for time and all eternity, to multiple women in their lifetimes, where women can only be sealed to one man. And he'll have all the women he's been sealed to as wives in heaven, where she can have only one husband. D&C (Doctrine and Covenants) section 132 was, and remains, LDS scripture. The church still teaches that marriage, even plural marriage, is required to get into the highest degrees of heaven.

Members are leaving the church in record numbers, and not just over Prop 8 either; so many are gone that they've recently admitted unspecified 'mistakes' and asked people to come back! That won't stick, though; the next guy in line to be prophet, Boyd K. Packer, is a hateful bigot of Old Testament proportions.

by Anonymousreply 7210/22/2013

r73 - if you want to check out 23andme.com you can get your dna tested. They have an ancestry section that will connect you with others in their database. I did it and was connected to hundreds of cousins and a few contacted me with information about my family tree.

by Anonymousreply 7410/22/2013

In case anyone is just reading the latest posts:

Ancestry has a great store of records. However, there is no quality control about family trees of the many "records" individuals can upload and post. The farther back one goes, the more ridiculous some of the information can be. Fathers appear as their own grandsons, people with similar names are seen at the same time all over the world, and remarriages at age 120 are not uncommon, followed by more children.

The Mormon aspects do not get in the way. They have a large set of LDS-specific life events listed that are at best unneeded for others. But the biggest issue is their not allowing a person to set up a connected family tree for a partner, rather than a spouse. Therefore, my male partner is my "wife" everywhere. So fuck them for that.

Also, their absurd desire to grab and seal everyone after death and for all eternity has led directly to the lack of scrutiny, care and factual interest in genealogy. They'll seal Muhammad and the Virgin Mary together as your ancestors if you put them down.

So use the site, watch out for their "upgrades" for data you'll never need, and apply a bit of a historian's care when judging whether or not the people you find actually are the people for whom you are looking.

by Anonymousreply 7510/22/2013

Don't believe everything you read on the internet. Especially posts like these. I'm sure there is some truth to what has been said here about who owns Ancestry.com but there is much more ignorance. The LDS church surely does not own it. If you want to know what Mormons really believe look in to it using reliable resources, not this type of hearsay. The truth of the matter is, researching ancestry and baptisms for the dead is not a "Mormon" principle or doctrine. Look in the Old Testament.

by Anonymousreply 7611/08/2013

Why are Mormons infesting this thread on a GAY MESSAGE BOARD. Tell me, "Joe", what is the Mormon position on gay marriage and adoption? Do you believe that being gay is a 'lifestyle choice'? Do you advise celibacy for gay men and lesbians?

I'm waiting, "Joe".

by Anonymousreply 7711/08/2013

"Joe"? Are you out there, "Joe"?

by Anonymousreply 7811/08/2013

"Joe, Joe, where are you now that I need you, Joe?"

by Anonymousreply 7911/08/2013

I guess "Joe" left on his mission.

He will be missed.

by Anonymousreply 8011/08/2013

"...'baptism of the dead' is NOT a mormon doctrine ... they call the sam practice "proxy baptism" ... what the heck us the difference ... false doctrine by any other name would stink as foul.

by Anonymousreply 8102/05/2014

Joe, baptizing the dead is so central to Mormon practice that even after they promised Israel that they would no longer baptize Holocaust survivors THEY CONTINUED TO DO IT.

If you want the inside scoop, "Mormon Doctrines" by Bruce McConkie is a more reliable guide to what they ACTUALLY do than anything they say in public.

by Anonymousreply 8202/05/2014

I thought Mormons believed only 144,000 souls will be allowed into Mormon heaven.

by Anonymousreply 8407/22/2014

Don't the rest of us get our own planets?

by Anonymousreply 8507/22/2014

R84, Mormon heaven is for everyone and we get our own planets so we can be gods.

You're confusing things with the Jehovah's Witnesses and related "144,000 get into heaven and all I got was this lousy sect that hates Christmas and birthdays" groups.

But, having been to Witness' Anniversary parties, which ARE allowed, it's plain they cram the rest of what they're missing into them.

by Anonymousreply 8607/22/2014

It's easy to keep the Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses straight:

Mormons: Manic with OCD and Graniose Delusions

Jehovah's Witnesses: Depressive with Reactive Attachment Disorder (inappropriate sociability) and Morbid Jealousy

by Anonymousreply 8707/22/2014

When I was a kid we had a maid who was a Jehovah Witness. She left because it was the end of the world and her family had to go to the top of some mountain. She wanted us to go with her. Never found out if the world ended.

by Anonymousreply 8807/23/2014

Thanks for info on family search. I just learned new info about my family

My grandfather left ireland in 1882.

Never knew that date

by Anonymousreply 8907/24/2014

[quote]The point is that it doesn't harm anyone

Right. The Mormons, who used undue influence and their financial pull -- finances garnered in part by everyday Mormons tithing some of their income -- to try to prevent gays from marrying aren't harming a soul.

And after they get done paying millions for institutional bigotry, they can go "baptize" a bunch of gay people's relatives, completely disrespecting the religion (or no religion at all) of others and their families.

That works out great when you're dealing with families whose relatives have died because of their religion. Just ask the Jews, who LOVE it when you Mormons come along and try to turn them posthumously Mormon.

What the fuck are you Mormons even doing on a gay board, anyway? Go the fuck away, assholes. You've done enough already.

by Anonymousreply 9007/24/2014

[quote] Most amazingly I am a direct descendant of Charlemagne, Holy Roman Emporer in 800 AD.

R43, who's your "gateway ancestor'? (A "gateway ancestor" is someone who's lineage is already proven to Charlemagne, so all you have to do is prove a relation to the GA, and your lineage is therefore established back to the big guy.). Mine is Mary Guy.

There is a Charlemagne Society, like there is an SAR and Mayflower Society. I don't know if there is a Julius Caesar Society or a Joseph & Mary Society, but I'd guess those would be successively more impressive.

by Anonymousreply 9107/24/2014

I figure it's not my business what Mormans do in their church, proxy baptisms included; just like it's nobody's business what I do in my bedroom, who I love, etc.

by Anonymousreply 9207/24/2014

I've heard it reported that Ancestry is one of the few web sites that actually turn a profit today. Most are still building for future profit. At Ancestry's prices, I can understand how they do.

by Anonymousreply 9307/24/2014

[R92] So right! Who cares! We ALL have bias and use generalizations. 'Those crazy Mormons' or 'those homos' WTF? Why should one care about the other?

by Anonymousreply 9408/01/2014

We SHOULD care about the Mormons because of their ongoing anti-woman and anti-gay sentiments, their taking from the poor the world over (to build shopping malls fer Chrissakes!). For their everchanging doctrines (blacks are evil, blacks are OK!) and most importantly for their long-term scarring and emotional fucking-over of their followers.

I'm a LGBT ally, and I won't stand up for anything that stands against my friends. The LDS community stands against them politically, socially, and religiously. Remember the proverb "When I shake hands with my enemy he is still my enemy." Mormons love smiling and shaking your hand whilst they ruin your life.

It took me 10 years to get out of the LDS world and put this group mostly behind me. I refuse to support anything that gives even a whiff of their stink.

by Anonymousreply 9508/01/2014

if your worried about not supplying money to the Mormon faith don't buy anything they have large amounts of stock in most fortune 500 companies

by Anonymousreply 9610/17/2014

The LDS Church outlawed plural marriage (polygamy) as a deal with the US Government, in order to make Utah an official state...not specifically out of some mode of disgust.

by Anonymousreply 9710/17/2014

I was in Salt Lake City and decided to visit the Mormon Genealogy Center..rows upon rows of computers and was amazed at all the information they had apparently some gleamed from Social Security information.

by Anonymousreply 9810/17/2014

The only thing I know about Mormons is that they make for a hell of a good Broadway show.

by Anonymousreply 9910/17/2014

Lisa Kudrow is one of the executive producers of that tv show. She certainly isn't Mormon, with a last name like Kudrow. just sayin'...

by Anonymousreply 10010/17/2014

so Donnie & Marie lied when they sang about being "a little bit country& a little bit rock n roll"?

by Anonymousreply 10110/17/2014

bump

by Anonymousreply 10210/17/2014

[quote]with a last name like Kudrow

What kind of name is that?

by Anonymousreply 10410/19/2014

R103, people may dislike Mormons because they funded the anti-gay marriage appeal or amendment in CA. They're leadership is very conservative. They are also very conformist, God help you if you're a free spirit and a Mormon.

by Anonymousreply 10510/19/2014

r104-Lisa Kudrow is Jewish

by Anonymousreply 10610/19/2014

The only way to find out what Mormons really believe is to go to an EX-Mormon site. Even if you search on "magic underwear" or "I hate Mormons," you'll be guided to orthodox Mormon websites. Try it -- you'll see.

These people are really crazy. I dated an ex-Mormon lesbian. Her stories were truly off the wall.

by Anonymousreply 10710/19/2014

I went out with a boy who had gone on the two year mission and enjoyed it but just quit the church because he felt he had to choose between that and being gay. He chose being himself. Gay. Maybe God will change his mind about gays though. He did about blacks. Mormons used to think black people were evil but then later said God changed his mind. There's a lyric about it in THE BOOK OF MORMON musical: "And I BELIEVE that in 1978, God changed his mind about Black people!" That's no joke. That's what Mormons believe.

by Anonymousreply 10810/19/2014

Re: "Maddie", "Alice", "Joe". They're out there, watching.

by Anonymousreply 10910/20/2014

In an answer to a simple question, this sounds more like a Mormon hate site. Sorry some don't have better things to do. Ancestry.com has NEVER been Mormon church owned. In fact, less than 5% of registered users using the site are L.D.S. (Mormons). So more than 95 percent of user are not members of the Mormon Church. Please do better research before you state what you think is factual. FamilySearch.com is owned by the Mormon Church and as is the case with Ancestry.com, more users of the site are not members of the Mormon Church than are. Genealogy minded people are of all faiths, and non faiths, gay and not gay, and of every color. People love to research their ancestors. Try it... you'll like it. Sure there are Mormons who work there. And there are also others from about every other faith you can think of. And there are non-religious employees also.

by Anonymousreply 11005/21/2015

R110 has obviously not dealt with them over an extended period.

by Anonymousreply 11105/21/2015

"People love to research their ancestors."

Why?

by Anonymousreply 11205/21/2015

[quote] They do more good for all people world wide and any other institution i know.

They take care of each other. They are routinely hostile to non-Mormons. Do you consider having your posse's back, "charity"? That's a rather narrow suspect definition.

by Anonymousreply 11305/21/2015
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