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The whole escorting thing

Maybe I'm just a big ole MARY! or a big square, but I am fascinated and a bit shocked by the whole idea of escorts and how someone hires one.

I was curious if anyone has done this and whether it was a good experience? I always thought it would be risky and icky but several of my professional friends - very hot fit men who could get what they wanted at a bar - say that they do it when they're traveling because it's easier and more of a professional exchange - they know what they are getting.

Thoughts?

by Anonymousreply 295Last Monday at 3:30 PM

It's prostitution, OP. It exists in the straight world, too. In fact most prostitutes are likely women catering to a male clientele. It's hardly unusual.

by Anonymousreply 104/20/2012

I get that R1.

And I don't think I have sex shame, I'm pretty confident and relaxed about sexual expression….

I'm just surprised so many gay men use escorts. I guess it could be drama-free for someone who is traveling a lot, etc.

It would scare the fuck out of me to call someone or send an email trying to hire someone, I would be afraid that it was an undercover cop or something, I guess.

by Anonymousreply 204/20/2012

If you are not confident enough (or don't have the time) to spend the evening eyeing strangers in a bar or club or sauna and regard it as a business transaction then it should work ok for you, and saves you buying drinks for someone who may well not click with you ... if you are in town for a night and have a business meeting in the morning you dont want to turn up tired and bleary-eyed after a night in a bar - someone arriving at your hotel to provide the service you require and is gone afterwards should be just the trick.

Its what women do all the time, and now with the internet you can make sure of the type you want before you commit ....

by Anonymousreply 304/20/2012

It's the old joke: you don't pay them for the sex, you pay them to shut up and leave afterwards.

With a hooker you don't need to worry about seducing them, pleasing them sexually, or having them call the house next week.

I don't see what all the fuss is about. Men want to get laid and they're just as faithful as their options, so would you rather have the hubby banging a pro or falling in love with his secretary and breaking up two marriages in the process?

by Anonymousreply 404/20/2012

sometimes what turns up on the doorstep is not the same as what pops up on your screen...

by Anonymousreply 504/20/2012

I get what you are saying OP. I don't look down upon people who do it but I can't imagine ever actually going through with it myself.

by Anonymousreply 604/20/2012

I hired one. My sitaution was that I had never been with a man before, or anything actually. My shrink said I should do it and it turned out great. I saw him about 7 times over four years.

by Anonymousreply 704/20/2012

I use a couple of agencies when I travel because I'm in DC a lot and I'm not going to date there, for several reasons. A body gets lonely. I have met and see three guys, all well matched, smart, intelligent and amenable, and I've also seen two outside for dinner and concerts. Sure, it's transactional. So is a blind date with someone who is desperate for a husband.

by Anonymousreply 804/20/2012

R6 I don't look down on them at all, and I've actually considered it but I feel like an ass b/c I don't know how I'd even go about it.

Or how specific to get about what you're looking for, etc.

by Anonymousreply 904/20/2012

R8, how do you find an agency?

by Anonymousreply 1004/20/2012

R10: there's a great selection in the DC area on this website.

Offsite Link
by Anonymousreply 1104/20/2012

Closet cases pay to keep their downlow business a secret.

Other guys hire their favorite porn star.

Then there are those who hire hustlers or escorts to satisfy a craving for a fetish or fantasy they wouldn't dare (yet) to speak of with their relationship partners being around.

And finally there are those with too much money, but so little time to go for something 'real'.

I read an article where there are escorts who specialize on clients who have intimacy issues (due to issues like porn addiction, sexual identity / self loathing, childhood trauma, child abuse, etc.) where these escorts cover the physical part while a shrink or life coach deals with the mental issues..

by Anonymousreply 1204/20/2012

[quote]With a hooker you don't need to worry about seducing them, pleasing them sexually, or having them call the house next week.

You obviously haven't hired too many escorts. The hotter ones actually expect to be the ones being pleasured a lot of the time.

by Anonymousreply 1304/20/2012

r13, like restaurants there are good and bad ones.

by Anonymousreply 1404/20/2012

I've done it a few times. I would never tell anyone I knew. I'm the typical blond, blue-eyed WASP. I occasionally have this yen, or maybe even fetish, for dirty, slumming sex with Puerto Rican guys.

I did this during the days of Craigslist adult services. It was a $100.00 a pop and it was great. Dirty filthy sex where I was treated like a whore. I stopped doing it because it was so easy and I could see how it could be addicting. I did it maybe four times.

by Anonymousreply 1504/20/2012

[quote]You obviously haven't hired too many escorts. The hotter ones actually expect to be the ones being pleasured a lot of the time.

60+ last time I bothered to count.

As long as I'm paying I don't really give a fuck what they expect.

by Anonymousreply 1604/20/2012

You can buy sex with an escort, but not love and affection. Thank God or otherwise my 401K would be drained dry.

by Anonymousreply 1704/20/2012

If you're in a big city, the best way to go about hiring an escort is to go to a gay male strip club. Most of the dancers escort on the side. This way you can meet them face to face, maybe get a lap dance, and then judge if there's any chemistry. You can discuss mutual limits face to face, and there are no worries about being the victim of a sting operation. I live in NYC and I go to Club Adonis on occasion. There are a couple of guys who dance there that I've considered asking over to my place. I've discussed rates and limits with them, but I just need to get up the courage to invite them back.

by Anonymousreply 1804/20/2012

I did it years ago because I was curious. A friend confided that he did it sometimes because he enjoyed having a sexual encounter that was entirely about his pleasure, and that intrigued me. I told my guy exactly what I wanted (and didn't want) to do, and that's what we did. VERY enjoyable encounter with a great, hot guy who would be out of my league otherwise. I'm not hideous, pretty cute for a regular guy in fact, but I don't attract gorgeous, hung muscle gods, so this was a treat. It was nice to know ahead of time that I was definitely getting laid, and by whom, without taking my chances at a bar, bathhouse or online or wasting time and money on the chase. It really is a simple business transaction.

The guy was really nice and down to earth, took his time and even stayed extra. He didn't turn weird after I came, either. Remained friendly, actually complimented my talents and prowess (probably blowing smoke but who cares?) and asked if he could shower with me after. I'm sure he just wanted to clean up but he insisted I join him and we lather each other up. I was totally spent from the sex, but it was so hot soaping up his muscular body, and he wasn't shy soaping me up, too. I remember the whole time he kept up this friendly, effortless, "just us guys" banter...Christ, he was a fun lay. I still jerk off to those memories. The economy has been rough on me lately so I haven't been able to afford it, but one of these days I'm going to do it again.

by Anonymousreply 1904/20/2012

Oh, and to any escorts who might be reading this (ha!): if you don't like being told what to do, maybe you shouldn't be "escorting" in the first place. When someone is paying you hundreds of dollars, be prepared to do EXACTLY what they ask, within the realm of reasonability of course. And don't tell guys you haven't met that what you'll do with them depends on "chemistry". Ummmm, that's why I'm hiring an escort in the first place, so I don't have to find someone who is into me. Whether I'm a 22 year old hottie or a 60 year old troll, you better be prepared to kiss me like you think I'm the hottest guy you've ever been with.

by Anonymousreply 2004/20/2012

r19, that sounds like a very good experience.

by Anonymousreply 2104/20/2012

In NYC it makes economical sense. A lot cheaper than a night out. I look through rentboy.com Atlanta has some beautiful black guys.

by Anonymousreply 2204/20/2012

And like restaurants, some are insanely overpriced and have an extremely inflated opinion of themselves. Try to avoid those.

by Anonymousreply 2304/20/2012

i've done this a few times in two forms: one is getting one of those massage guys from massage m4m; the other is dispensing with all pretense and going straight to rentboy.

for the most part, the massage option has worked out better. i tend to look toward the masseurs that have tons of reviews, which tends to be a signal that the guy actually can and does massage, and then the details in the reviews will hint at how much further he is likely to go. with a few exceptions, this has tended to work out really well, and i've been able to get more or less what i'm looking for (which itself can vary).

rentboy has disappointed me all three times i've used it, so i'm probably done with it. in all three cases, i was meeting up with former porn stars (which very much heightened the level of my excitement), each between three and ten years past his film glory. they all still had incredible bodies and looked amazing, so i was far from disappointed there.

what struck me with each of the rentboy hookups was that none of them were able to mask their tremendous indifference. it was very obvious, which in ended up reducing my own level of interest in our encounter.

another issue was that they all seemed to expect me to spend my time worshiping them, servicing them, telling them how hot they are, how big they are, how incredible their muscles are, etc. i had been pretty detailed in my prior communications about what i was and wasn't looking for, and each had agreed to what i described. it doesn't surprise me if clients typically want to be subservient and "do the work", but that wasn't what i wanted and i had made that clear up front (or so i thought).

anyway, stick to the massage guys. at the very least, you'll get a decent massage out of it, but usually much more. and they always seem a lot more engaged than the pure escorts.

by Anonymousreply 2404/20/2012

I just don't get this.

I get straight guys paying for sex because women want a ring on the finger first. But Gay Guys....it is CRAZY!. Sex is everywhere in Gay world, anybody can get laid any day of the week, 24 hours a day, if you just want sex. Love and commitment are the impossible thing to find in Gay world.

You are paying for sex because the guys you want to have sex with are outside of your league. Not because sex isn't available to you.

Getting sex in Gay world is like finding Made in China goods at Walmart.

by Anonymousreply 2504/20/2012

[quote]You are paying for sex because the guys you want to have sex with are outside of your league.

I second that.

by Anonymousreply 2604/20/2012

Well I fucking third it. Jesus Christ no shit. Think people are going to pay to have sex with a tiny dick fatty?

by Anonymousreply 2704/20/2012

[quote]You are paying for sex because the guys you want to have sex with are outside of your league.

O-kaaaay...

And what, exactly, don't you understand about this? That exact thought, and that the customer can dictate the terms/activities completely and not have to take their chances at a meat market, have been expressed multiple times in this thread.

Your statement that "anybody can get laid" at anytime in the gay world is also laughable. Are you extremely young and hot, or do you just have no standards whatsoever? It's true that I can go on manhunt or a pickup bar and find several eager partners immediately; whether they'll meet even my LOWEST standards is another matter entirely.

Many of us are attracted to a wide range of men, some well within our league, but to be with a truly gorgeous, flawless "ideal man" it's much easier to pay for it. That you can basically order in for delivery and have a list of self-centered sexual acts tailored to your tastes only sweetens the deal.

by Anonymousreply 2804/20/2012

I have been paying for sex since I was 26. I am now 70. It is a choice I made. I am a selfish person and I want to do what I want to do, when I want to do it and with whom. I find someone I like and work out a financial arrangement with them and we see each other when we both feel like it. Some of them have been professionals and some have been hot guys who just need the money. There is also a friendship involved. I have stuck with the same person for years at a time. Pleasure is the name of the game and it allows me to live the rest of my life the way I want to.

by Anonymousreply 2904/20/2012

R28 You hit the nail on the head. I'm not fug, but I would love just once to be able to put my hands all over a really muscled or lean/tight man, and then have him flex, pose and jack for me.

by Anonymousreply 3004/20/2012

My experience is exactly like R24's - I also find real masseurs are a lot more intelligent and can carry a conversation than the typical rentboy. I can have a lot more fun with a good massage and after reading reviews, I can tell what may happen. I like the touch too - the intimacy of a massage is very nice and usually masseurs are cheaper than escorts.

by Anonymousreply 3104/20/2012

How is the payment done? Beforehand, by credit card or in cash after the event? Are you supposed to tip?

I assumed guys who hired escorts were mostly less attractive guys with not many options but the responses here seem otherwise.

by Anonymousreply 3211/02/2014

What about the STD factor? Condoms can't stop everything.

by Anonymousreply 3311/02/2014

To the above guy who said escorts and hookers have to do whatever the client wants - that's 100% not true and is a fucked up power move. They have control of the situation - not you with the money.

That being said, I think buying ex-porn stars would be a guaranteed bad time as they're desperate and past their prime and not able to do porn. Sad.

I've never done it, but I've thought about it. I've looked at a few sites and there don't seem to be enough hot regular guys. A lot of roided up men or guys in leather - the pics just do absolutely nothing for me.

by Anonymousreply 3411/02/2014

[quote]I get straight guys paying for sex because women want a ring on the finger first.

Are you writing from 1955?

by Anonymousreply 3511/02/2014

I did it once. I had a few bucks left over from a vacation to Orlando. I figured it would be the ultimate theme park ride. The guy was hot as hell and able to dish out some ruff sex that I couldn't otherwise get a guy to do. I didn't do this until I got back home from Orlando, but cooincidentally, the guy was in my town from from Orlando where he lives. He had some regulars here who liked ruff gay sex including a guy who played for the Browns.

by Anonymousreply 3611/02/2014

I escorted my third year of college to make some extra cash. No regrets and most of the guys were very nice and ever so often you'd get a guy who didn't want to fuck. Some were just lonely souls who wanted someone to talk to for an hour. My specialty was the BFE, and it was my favorite because it was the most money and the guys who wanted that were usually incredibly generous and you got to go to great parties and sometimes great trips.

by Anonymousreply 3711/02/2014

R37 Jason?

by Anonymousreply 3811/02/2014

R36 - what is a BFE?

by Anonymousreply 3911/02/2014

it's incredibly degrading both for the escort and the client. The idea of objectifying and selling your sex for money? Your body and sex have monetary value? You have nothing more to offer than that? sad.

On the flip side, you can't find someone who will fuck with you for free? There's a lovely connection you feel when there is mutual attraction/lust. If you know the person with you is doing it for money, how good can that feel? It's empty. sad.

by Anonymousreply 4011/02/2014

BFE = Boyfriend Experience (I'm guessing)

by Anonymousreply 4111/02/2014

I've always wanted to try it, but can't get over the feeling that I'm forcing someone to have sex with me when he really doesn't want to. I guess it's my conscience, or guilt, or something. Of course I realize that the escort is an adult and doing this of his own free will, but I think I would still feel quite uncomfortable doing it (because I would not enjoy having sex with someone to whom I'm not attracted.)

I think for some reason I'd feel better about it if it were in a brothel or some sort of organized, businesslike environment.

That said, in the past I've paid for friends who were substantially less well-off than I to travel with me (without any expectation of sex.) So perhaps finding a compatible escort as a traveling companion might be an option.

by Anonymousreply 4211/02/2014

I know a guy in Fire Island who does porn and escorts. The porn is pretty much an advertisement more his escorting. He released a youtube or vimeo about being an escort saying that he likes to be treated specie and be wooed like it's a date and he's not a piece of meat. He said he gets turned off when clients treat him abruptly and they don't talk first. I've spoken with him a few times at parties and he's certainly no Rhodes scholar but all that sounded stupid even for him.

by Anonymousreply 4311/10/2014

Don't pay those bums selling their dicks! WTF? Just go out to a club and SOCIALIZE. Turn off the computer, the cell phone, the tablet and go out there and be social and interact with real people to get your pussy done.

by Anonymousreply 4411/10/2014

I have an older male friend who is in construction and loaded. He always hires escorts. He his good looking and built. We went to Palm springs once for the weekend and he was looking for escorts to hire online, he even asked me if I wanted on (like it was shoes or something lol). I asked him why he always hires escorts? He said "I like what I like and I can get it when I get an escort." He had a point lol...but I passed on the free escort (I had a date anyhow).

by Anonymousreply 4511/10/2014

No, but it's mainly because I have several friends who escort, and some of them have in the past expressed interest in hooking up with me anyhow. It's kind of a "why pay?" thing. But honestly, the reason I won't mess around with them is out of fear of STD's - and I don't want to flat out ask them what they got, if any. Also, I know some escorts in our area who are in fact HIV positive but continue to work, which makes me even more uncomfortable with the whole idea.

The only time I ever considered hiring some, was because I was interested in possibly creating a line of realistic dildos - not those ridiculously enlarged over-sized ones they sell at porn shops. I was considering posting some ads to craiglist, in the hopes of getting totally amateur guys. I also wanted to learn the whole process of casting, molding, and mass producing them (on a small scale to begin with at least). But I've yet to get around to doing all this. I wouldn't consider it "hiring an escort" though. At the very least I would think an escort would be somewhat relieved that they would just need to show up and have their dick molded, no sex.

by Anonymousreply 4611/10/2014

I broke up with Marcus when I found out he once escorted using the pseudonym "Paul".

by Anonymousreply 4711/10/2014

"Whether I'm a 22 year old hottie or a 60 year old troll, you better be prepared to kiss me like you think I'm the hottest guy you've ever been with."

You expect escorts to kiss you passionately? That's really asking a lot. Most hookers/escorts abhor kissing clients and will not do it; it implies intimacy and that is something hookers do NOT want to have with their clients. For them it's business, not pleasure. Maybe you want the impression of intimacy, but that's not something prostitutes are inclined to do.

by Anonymousreply 4811/10/2014

Most hos will do what you pay them to do

by Anonymousreply 4911/10/2014

Halston used call boy services all the time in NYC.

by Anonymousreply 5011/10/2014

Anyone know any other celebs who used call boys?

by Anonymousreply 5111/10/2014

Yes, Andy Warhol.

by Anonymousreply 5211/10/2014

You know nothing about the escorting world R48.

Every well reviewed escort knows how to kiss and kiss passionately, it is part of the package they know their clients want.

Escorting isn't just about having a big dick or some crap, it is about making your clients like you and making them wanting to keep coming back as regulars.

As someone else mentioned the "boyfriend experience" is a big part of what they know a lot of clients will want from them.

Of course I am referring to well-reviewed professional escorts, there is a lot of crap out there.

by Anonymousreply 5311/10/2014

Are you one of the WRPEs, R53? Where are you located?

by Anonymousreply 5411/10/2014

I am not r54, I am just close to someone who did that for a living.

If you are looking for one check out Daddy's reviews, that at least was and I assume still is the best place to go to find guys who take the job seriously.

by Anonymousreply 5511/10/2014

It's called prostitution, Arlene. And it's against the law.

by Anonymousreply 5611/10/2014

An excerpt from Steven Gaines' Halston biography:

For a man whose career had been celebrated on the cover of Newsweek, Halston’s personal life was rather bleak. Since his sexual relationship with Ed Austin had trailed off, Halston had taken to phoning call boys, who would come to the East Fifty-fifth Street apartment, where he would perhaps order them both a steak and a baked potato delivered up, then take them to bed and show them the door. Joe Eula, the fashion illustrator and one of Halston’s closest confidants, took to calling this practice “dial-a-steak, dial-a-dick,” which Halston thought was hysterically funny. One night in 1972, the young man who showed up at Halston’s apartment from the call-boy service changed his life.

The man’s name, improbably, was Victor Hugo—a professional name and a pun, it would turn out, on his “huge-o” endowment. Victor was brilliant, zany, exciting, and dangerous. Because of him, Halston would thereafter live his life on the edge—on the edge of legality, of propriety, and of sanity. “Halston and I never had sex after the first three months,” said Hugo. “It was a great love affair—not about sex.” “The person that Halston loved, more than his own life, was Victor,” said Peruchio Valls, who had known Hugo since he was a boy and who later became one of Halston’s personal assistants

by Anonymousreply 5711/10/2014

There are plusses and minuses compared with other kinds of hook ups.

But there are often a lot less games.

by Anonymousreply 5811/10/2014

"As someone else mentioned the "boyfriend experience" is a big part of what they know a lot of clients will want from them."

Paying some hooker to kiss you and make-believe he's your "boyfriend" is pretty pathetic. Paying for sex, that's kind of understandable. But paying somebody to kiss you like you're really "hot" and act like he's your "boyfriend" is just plain sad. Why not try getting to know people, dating, socializing? That would probably lead to a REAL boyfriend relationship. Besides, keep in mind escorts don't think you're hot and are not turned on by you, they just pretend they are. Some of them don't even pretend. It's all an act because they want your MONEY. There's no "boyfriend experience" when the person who's fucking you doesn't give a crap about you, except for your money.

by Anonymousreply 5911/10/2014

There's also no "boyfriend experience," R59, when you "try getting to know people, dating, socializing" and get rejected for being too something/not enough something else. At least you know the hooker "boyfriend" is only your "boyfriend" for the hour or two or three you're paying him, and you don't end up getting strung along by someone you likes you, "but not that way." Who puts you in the "friend" zone, etc.

I used to believe I could do what you say, but I could not. No one I wanted wanted me. So forgive me while I blow a few hundred dollars and pretend for awhile.

You don't "give a crap" about me, either, R59.

by Anonymousreply 6011/10/2014

If you show up at their place when they first see you they should not show any disappointment. This is the sign of a professional who knows what he needs to do. Otherwise there is a good chance things will not work out well.

Unless you have such a fabulous personality it overcomes all obstacles. Though even that is dicey.

by Anonymousreply 6111/10/2014

I hired one escort in my life and ended up with herpes. Not worth it.

by Anonymousreply 6211/10/2014

R56 made me laugh.

by Anonymousreply 6311/10/2014

[quote]There's no "boyfriend experience" when the person who's fucking you doesn't give a crap about you, except for your money.

Mary! Yes, that is how the escorting profession works. You give them money, they you themselves, their time, their personality, their body.

If it's not for you cool, but it's a business that has been around forever and will always be around.

Female escorts are the same way. The top ones are girls that make great dinner and event companions on top of delivering sex. It's what clients want.

by Anonymousreply 6411/10/2014

"There's no "boyfriend experience" when the person who's fucking you doesn't give a crap about you, except for your money."

Especially when they ask for the money up front.

by Anonymousreply 6511/10/2014

Hire a Craigslist masseur. You can get touched and possibly a handjob, it's about as safe as you can get.

Just don't rub your eyes if you fool around with his dick.

by Anonymousreply 6611/10/2014

I ESCORT HOWARD AND MY ELDERLY MOTHER TO THE RED LOBSTER EVERY THURSDAY EVENING. NOTHING TO IT, GREAT FOOD, GOOD FUN. BLESS,BILL

by Anonymousreply 6712/18/2017

R32 - Don't be fooled by many of these men who see themselves as 'hot and fit'. The male ego is a wonderous thing, and delusion is what allows them to get out of bed in the morning.

As another poster stated, it's so EASY for a gay man to get laid. But not for a gay man, in the 5 and under slots. Of course, if you ask them, they are an 8.

by Anonymousreply 6812/18/2017

Since even the "safe" ones will let you plow them bareback for the right price it's a risk I wouldn't be willing to take.

by Anonymousreply 6912/18/2017

It is so obvious who the fraus are on this thread.

by Anonymousreply 7012/18/2017

OP, it's called sex for pay or prostitution. It takes on many forms from a man being kept by a sugar daddy, to street hustling-although most have moved online apparently. I know bisexual and gay men who have paid for sex, but they told me it was because they wanted sex with a certain guy that does porn, or very muscular guy with a body builder type physique or the muscle queen type, were traveling for work and did not want to spend hours at bars just to get rejected or not find someone, or had a certain kink or fetish such as having a man in leather spank them or tie them up and fuck them safely.

by Anonymousreply 7102/17/2020

How do I hire a police escort?

by Anonymousreply 7202/17/2020

r71 Do you realize you're responding to a question posted EIGHT YEARS AGO?

by Anonymousreply 7302/17/2020

I've paid for it. not because i was busy, desperate, or don't like casual hook-ups---just something about the idea of paying for an experience that's just for me. i can't imagine a sexually-driven, single man with enough disposable $$ to indulge feeling differently.

by Anonymousreply 7402/17/2020

My uncle who was heterosexual said all women are prostitutes ...some for one man (hubby) some for many .

by Anonymousreply 7502/17/2020

If prostitution is a "whole thing" perhaps its not for you, dear.

by Anonymousreply 7602/18/2020

Please, somebody who is escort-savvy, explain the meaning of "escort" to me! In my opinion, you can hire an escort for a long-term period, for a certain event. But I noticed that many people use this word as a synonym of "prostitute"? Is that right? Moreover, some individuals prefer "escort" to "kept-woman" or "kept-man".

by Anonymousreply 7702/18/2020

I’m over 40 and have had difficulties to find hot men. I’ve become invisible in gay world. I hate going to bars and clubs to find hot guys. Spending evening and returning home alone. Hiring an escort is easy. I get manly touch whenever I need it, I explain beforehand what I want and it works fine. It is Just physical and suits me okay.

by Anonymousreply 7802/18/2020

Ages ago one could find "escort" services listed in telephone directories. Their stated purpose (wink wink) was to provide gentlemen with a female escort for evening to attend an event such as dinner party, opera, etc... This or something more long term like providing companionship on a vacation or whatever. However these services were supposed to be strictly legit, no prostitution; though many actually were.

Long story short somewhere along line every in call hooker or hustler began calling themselves "escorts" which is pretty much how industry rolls these days. The official line from both agencies, websites, hookers and hustlers is that people are paying for their time (hence the escort bit), not quid pro quo sex, which is illegal in nearly every state of USA.

It is a cat and mouse game prostitutes, pimps, procurers et al play with law enforcement. One says they aren't prossing, the other knows that they are but have to gather evidence that will stand up in court.

You can pay $$$$ to book Alam Wernick for the pleasure of his company, and there very well might be dinner, a party or two, dancing etc... but both parties know the deal, and why he's been hired.

by Anonymousreply 7902/18/2020

Two bad experiences. First one was tweaking (I think) and acting like a crazy man. I said No Thanks and he made me pay him before he left. Second one left after about 15 minutes of chitchat, saying there was no chemistry. I'm not very attractive (early 60s, fat, dentures). I'd rather find something on pornhub to jerk off to.

by Anonymousreply 8002/18/2020

My problem with escorts is that part of my pleasure in a hook up casual or not is being desired knowing someone is with me because they lust after me or desire me and vice versa. Paying for a service eliminates this.

I don't judge the profession or the clients. Seems practical enough.

by Anonymousreply 8102/18/2020

Do you tip them or just the rates you agree to?

by Anonymousreply 8202/18/2020

I’m confused, why does one need to have chemistry with an escort?

by Anonymousreply 8302/18/2020

He said it, I didn't, r83.

by Anonymousreply 8402/18/2020

I started when a guy I met on the street and was cruising said “you have money?”. Took me by surprise but I was like “sure”? Didn’t really make me feel bad - and actually relieved me of the need to worry about his opinion and be able to a ask directly for what I wanted to do. It was eye opening - and tbh, a little addictive.

As a control freak with intimacy issues, I ended up doing it more than I should have in my 30s. In retrospect, I should have focused on hooking up with regular guys and working on my intimacy issues. But had great sex with some stunning men and did everything sexually I could imagine. Not sure it was a healthy habit. Now at 52, I don’t have a big sex drive and am too frugal to pay any significant amount of money. Plus, since it’s all online it’s become much more expensive and complicated than the street hustlers of the 90s.

by Anonymousreply 8502/18/2020

Due tell of what forbidden exploits you got to do R85, I hope it was really dirty, raunchy stuff?

by Anonymousreply 8602/18/2020

[quote] Due tell of what

Oh, dear!

by Anonymousreply 8702/18/2020

R83

Because some people like to delude themselves the arrangement is something more than a fiscal transaction.

You read reviews of trans, female, and male "escorts" and those who provide a "boyfriend" experience usually rate higher than the more mercenary sorts. Things like kissing (closed or open mouth), which not all escorts or whatever you want to call them will do. Some just are incapable of making clients feel being remotely close to them physically is beneath their dignity. It's a pleasurable means to a measurable end, and that's all.

This was secret of great whores down through years including highly compensated mistresses, kept men/boys, etc..... Focus on the other person, make them think they are the most important thing atm. It works in all lines of business.

by Anonymousreply 8802/18/2020

R85 "classy" escorts have NOT gone up in price for 20+ years. Its still 2-300 bucks in international cities. I guess street trade no longer exists.

by Anonymousreply 8902/18/2020

R89

Market forces I suppose.

Thanks to our friend Mr. Internet and other factors it does seem as if every other boy, girl, trans, man or woman is "escorting" either as a professional or the occasional dates to make ends meet.

Also think younger generations don't see anything wrong with turning dates; using what they've got to get what they need so to speak.

Previously it was same for guys as girls; if they wanted to turn tricks it was some bar, club, or the streets (53rd and Third or Second avenues was a famous stroll for years), now they can just put up an ad or whatever on internet.

If understand correctly hustler/escort market is heavily peopled with guys who aren't gay per se, but since the gay whore market is far more lucrative (just ask Alam Wernick), that is where they make their money. This likely is highly true in many European or South American countries where you have often a surplus of young men or boys with limited economic prospects. Similar reasons explain why so much gay porn comes out of Eastern Europe, certain South American and Asian countries.

by Anonymousreply 9002/18/2020

Bel Ami guys escort in Milan, Vienna and Zurich on the regular. Must be great to get out of shithole towns in Czech, Slovenia. and Hungary.

by Anonymousreply 9102/18/2020

I always avoided it because I'm afraid of being arrested. There have been times I just wanted to order up a hot piece of ass like you would a pizza but I would be the one to get in trouble. Not worth the risk I guess

by Anonymousreply 9202/18/2020

What some don't get is that Eastern Europe is full of attractive white young men/women or boys/girls; that is why so much porn, escorting or whatever comes out of that place. This includes Russia where you can find tons of attractive young men and women (or even not so much) doing porn or escorting to survive.

by Anonymousreply 9302/18/2020

Staying with Alam Wernick wonder how much difference his rates are for being a DJ, and escorting. This and or if you paid for one, will he stick to just that contractual agreement and not give anything else unless person making request forks over more money.

by Anonymousreply 9402/18/2020

I’m not a professional but I’ve done a reasonable amount of hooking when I’ve needed the money, mostly just informal gigs via Grindr. I’m a fairly gorgeous guy in my 20s who happens to be attracted to old fatties, so most of my “gigs” have been just like any other hookup I’ve had - except I got paid! That is to say, I fucked them passionately, kissed them like I meant it and enjoyed every minute. Maybe I’m an anomaly but I wasn’t surprised to see a poster above mention his hooker sticking around and insisting on a romantic shower afterwards. I guess there’s a big difference between myself and a fulltime whore working for an agency, but some of us hot young things definitely aren’t just pretending to enjoy putting our dicks in you people. I guess what I’m trying to do with this comment is explain some of the appeal of hiring a hooker to the skeptics, although I guess it’s not for everyone

by Anonymousreply 9502/18/2020

Just make it legal already!!! Trump is sleezy enough to sign an executive order to make hooking legal--hes' married to one!

by Anonymousreply 9602/18/2020

[quote]"classy" escorts have NOT gone up in price for 20+ years. Its still 2-300 bucks in international cities.

Troo, but iss ixtra charge for usink Lincun Bedrum.

by Anonymousreply 9702/18/2020

[quote]I guess there’s a big difference between myself and

*eyeroll*

by Anonymousreply 9802/19/2020

[quote]I’m a fairly gorgeous guy in my 20s who happens to be attracted to old fatties,

[quote]but some of us hot young things definitely aren’t just pretending to enjoy putting our dicks in you people.

You sound nice.

by Anonymousreply 9902/19/2020

That escort is lying. No hot guy is into fatties!!! He probably charges a pretty penny too!

by Anonymousreply 10002/19/2020

R78, try LGBT social groups, or apps websites for older men such as bear/daddy sites, grindr, scruff, etc. I know older tops and bottoms in their 50s and 60s who do quite well on them and they have men their own age as well as men in their 20s, 30s, and 40s wanting to date/hook up.

True R93, a lot of porn is made in Czech Republic or Slovakia, Hungary, Russia, the Ukraine, and former countries of the USSR as the men and women, as well as TS/TG people are paid a lot less than they are in Germany, France, Switzerland, Austria, NL/Benelux, and the UK.

Yes I do R73 but I am friends with bisexual men and women, and gay men who were once male prostitutes-either for survival such as a bisexual man I knew who did this in the 1980s in NYC after his parents kicked him out of their home when he came out to them, or they did it when they did porn as they made a lot more money this way than from any porn videos or dancing/stripping at clubs.

by Anonymousreply 10102/19/2020

[quote] That escort is lying. No hot guy is into fatties!!! He probably charges a pretty penny too!

Download Growlr and you'll see many, and I mean many hot guys who are only into very fat and obese guys.

by Anonymousreply 10202/22/2020

Nothing wrong with it. Im an attractive, fit, masculine guy with a great job. Moved to new city last year. Wanted something quick, easy and all about my satisfaction. Found a bisexual, personal trainer, body builder who is TRUELY bisexual! Had an amazing time and still see him once or twice a month to this day. But I also have plenty of other dates and hookups( outside of escorting). When we do meet up and after I've been 'satisfied'... I'll go down on him while he watches hot guy straight porn. He loves it , cums fairly quick and cumming gets him to leave! Otherwise he likes to hangout.

by Anonymousreply 10302/22/2020

R103 link me his rentmen profile. He's about to get more business.

by Anonymousreply 10402/23/2020

R102 I did and everyone is ugly and fat. Not one hot person and I'm in a large city. Fake.

by Anonymousreply 10502/23/2020

[R102] FAKE??? FAKE??? WTF does that mean ??? What's FAKE?? The websites ?? Or your perceived comprehension abilities ??

by Anonymousreply 10602/23/2020

[R106] meant for [R105] GEEEEZ!

by Anonymousreply 10702/23/2020

R13 R20 We get that you’re a freak but nobody should consider this good advice or a reasonable expectation. You’ve obviously never been with an escort. The whole thing is a negotiation.

by Anonymousreply 10802/23/2020

^^ Meant for R16 & R20

by Anonymousreply 10902/23/2020

R106 there weren't any hot men. They were all fat and ugly and old.

by Anonymousreply 11002/23/2020

I hate rentmen - way overpriced and too professional. I liked the Craigslist escorts - average young guys who were horny and decided they may as well make a few bucks to get off. Of course, the street/Stellas hustlers of the 90s were even better - but have to accept that is a thing of the past.

by Anonymousreply 11102/23/2020

My masseur fucks me after he gives me a massage Does that count?

by Anonymousreply 11202/23/2020

I worked as an escort off Craigslist for about 6 months, years ago.

Most of my clients were “straight” men who didn’t have the nerve to be seen out in a gay bar. (Or maybe they were insecure that the wouldn’t match up with someone they liked, once there?)

Some were married... so you can imagine they’d want to keep it as low profile as possible.

by Anonymousreply 11302/23/2020

I must add, they were all very nice. They didn’t want trouble.

In retrospect, I’m lucky I didn’t end up on “Forensic Files”.

by Anonymousreply 11402/23/2020

I miss Craigslist. I wish there was an actual alternative.

by Anonymousreply 11502/23/2020

OP, try a rub and tug masseur. Some are very good at their craft and it doesn’t really feel as sleezy

by Anonymousreply 11602/23/2020

[R106] Ok,.. I hate that was your experience but I've never had a problem finding one that wasn't fat ,old or ugly. Most are certainly none of the above but you might be trolling and I'm not gonna engage again. The reason I'm commenting once more is to also iterate , these escorts can be confidence and moral boosters as well. Almost like a therapist. I had cancer 2 yrs ago. It took me a yr before I received my 'All Clear". I was not sexually active , def not looking my greatest and with that came some sexual confidence issues. As I was getting back in the gym and feeling the semblance of my former self, I hired an escort till I felt comfortable again putting myself out there. He actually helped more than he knew.

by Anonymousreply 11702/23/2020

Years ago I had a fat trollish old landlord from Scotland and I would see him with OK-to-goodlooking young men all the time, very jovial. Soon this landlord found out I'm gay, he saw me with my BF at the time, and took this as permission to start confiding really terrible intimate shit to me in the elevator and laundry room and when I went to pay rent about what was going on with these boys. All the boys were whores, of course, some were junkies or otherwise very streety, but! he thought one *might* have feelings for him... and maybe he could save that one....!

Fast forward, the one who "might have feelings for him" has fleeced him for like $40k he can't afford, and another of his regular hustlers has robbed him in the night. He told me he had no regrets and was excited to have found a new boy willing to take his money, who turned out to be a very cute little blonde who I ended up dating for a while (real dates, not paid).

by Anonymousreply 11802/23/2020

[quote] these escorts can be confidence and moral boosters as well.

If they have no morals, how can they boost yours?

by Anonymousreply 11902/23/2020

They are gods gift to ugly men

by Anonymousreply 12002/23/2020

[R119] What an ignorant ass comment. It reeks of one with a stunted social interaction skill set. .

by Anonymousreply 12102/23/2020

I really wish this thread was titled “The whore escorting thing.”

by Anonymousreply 12202/23/2020

I really wish all the fraus like OP who post threads like this would stick to petting their fat pussys and reading 50 Shades of Gray.

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by Anonymousreply 12302/23/2020

Growlr is full of slim, muscled and hot guys called chasers who are after bears and fat ones. You're just an idiot who can't even work a search or maybe you're one of those fem bottoms who call everyone ugly and only cares about models and unattainable people. You sound like the type.

by Anonymousreply 12402/23/2020

[R124] You sound like you tried to hire one and got turned down! I guess even escorts have to set the bar somewhere. Maybe try a FTM escort. They'll be more empathetic with you.

by Anonymousreply 12502/23/2020

[quote]R119 What an ignorant ass comment. It reeks of one with a stunted social interaction skill set. .

And yours reeks of one with a stunted spelling skill set.

by Anonymousreply 12602/24/2020

Ok, I've hired an escort twice. Once when I lived in Chicago, out of sheer loneliness, and once in Paris for the thrill and enjoyment of it. I've always been a fit, good-looking guy but have had difficulty breaking through with gay men in social situations.

The Chicago one was late night on a Sunday, feeling unbearably lonely. I was probably 27. I was a runner then so I was lean, unblemished, with a great ass. (I've always had a great ass.) This was in, like 1994, just on the cusp of online social networking going mainstream. I phoned an escort service from a local gay rag and the, erm, "receptionist"?, "dispatcher"? (who sounded like, but was not as far as I know, but sounded like "Madge Weinstein"), took the call and said they would call me back, didn't know if they had anyone available for me - so from the start there was a lack of genuine enthusiasm from their end. I phoned me back about 10 minutes ago and said he had someone whom he described to me. He was a top. I think it then that he said he was bisexual. Fine. He arrived, he was mixed race, maybe black.

He wasn't there very long. He got undressed really quick - he was just there to do a job. I started giving him head, he got hard, he stuck his dick in me and within about 90 seconds he came. That was it. I was not pleased. At all. I was like, "What was that?" He looked like no one had ever said that to him before and after a long moment says, "Oh...didn't you? I thought you came." I was pretty much like, "When was that?" Then he starts going, "Oh, um," and says he's sorry, that he'll come back again and do me for half price. I'm like, "You should go now."

A few minutes after he leaves, I'm on the phone back to the escort agency and I'm like, "What the fuck was that?!" I complained for so long that the dispatcher finally said, "Sir! I'm so sorry! If I didn't have such a terrible cold, I'd come over there and BLOW YOU RIGHT NOW!" That was the end of that. What I realised is that the guy wasn't gay and that's how straight women have been getting fucked since the beginning of time. (1/2)

by Anonymousreply 12702/24/2020

Probably 15 years later, in Paris where I had been about 8x previously, I decided to hire an escort. I was different then, as stated, I'd always been fit but had been doing some disciplined and structured weight training for about 3 - 4 years - never skipping leg day - and I was lean and built, good-looking grown man, looked about 36 - 38. I had been hooking up with guys for about the previous 2 years, maybe 3 or 4x a year. Very discerning. I liked to do the work in the weight room and then have a worthy guy marvel at my body, really humble them, and had a lot of intense, memorable casual encounters. Not all of them but I was lucky. I was in Paris for about 4 nights and had already been to a kind of sex party that the purveyors of the custom leather shop in the Marais invited me to, on the spot. Paris was and may still be a little more discreet than other major cities. Amongst the guys I saw online, there was a swarthy, dark European looking gay named...Franco, I think? (Probably not his real name anyway.) He came highly recommended, especially for being such a an amazing unique kisser. I was a bit intrigued, thought he would do and expected it to go pretty as my recent hookups did - mostly enjoyable, consensual sex. Forty minutes after he arrived, at a boutique hotel I was staying in, he was still talking. About HIMSELF. About his photography. And how people were jealous of him. And his boyfriend. Of all the things he was talking about - mostly just one, HIMSELF - the one thing I did not want to hear about was his boyfriend. It was kind of over for me as soon as he walked through the door - he primped and tweezed to a kind of repelling robotic standard. Finally, something starts to happen - albeit from a very cold, distant place - I think he started stroking my leg (we were sitting on the bed and I was in my underwear and a t-shirt when he arrived). He leans forward and kind of...starts...giving me a kiss? One of his famed kisses? He pretty much shaped his mouth into a fish-like tiny "o" and twiddled his tongue around inside my mouth but like, just the tip of it, around and around, from side to side...it was appalling. That was when I said, "You should go now." As the john does in the apocryphal story, I paid him (about EUR 280.00) to leave. And I felt like it was money well spent because I didn't put myself through another minute of that and would unlikely submit myself to it in the future. (2/3)

by Anonymousreply 12802/24/2020

I've had better luck with masseurs, especially overseas. (Not so much in the U.S., though some.) It doesn't feel like something I pay for and, especially when I was lifting a lot, I needed regular body therapy. And a release at the end of a 90-minute full body massage between two gay men feels natural - the whole thing is so intimate, how can one object? With other dynamics, it could seem more like sex work - to which I do not object - and I imagine it's different when it's opposite gendered but with two gay men it's almost inevitable. If it happens. If it doesn't, fine. Like I said, I'm there for the massage. And if I wanted to avoid that dynamic altogether, I would go to a spa where I wouldn't expect that kind of thing to happen. But in a private massage studio run by a gay man for gay men? It's a possibility. Sometimes fucking too - I'll always remember when a middle-weight bodybuilder masseur started massaging me, on his bed, and just started riding my cock...just pounding my thighs with his big muscle ass, all of that weight and muscle bearing down on me, pleasuring itself. It was so fucking hot. (We flipped as well.) Some masseurs I would repeat book with and we would leave an hour after the massage for fucking - I guess it's as good a way of meeting guys as any other. I never paid them for sex, just the massage, I was always clear about that. It's not surprising that two willing guys would have sex with each other in that situation.

I don't really do stuff like this anymore, I have a dad bod. I'm borderline, I could get really fit again (probably will) but now I'm just leading a healthy lifestyle, I do cycling and never seem to have the time (or energy) to string together a whole programme - sometimes I do, but not like 10 years ago. (3/3)

by Anonymousreply 12902/24/2020

Has anyone ever told you you’re very verbose?

by Anonymousreply 13002/24/2020

[R126] Coming from a social awkward hypocrite that's never misspelled a word on DL.... Whatever...

by Anonymousreply 13102/24/2020

Sex workers are more likely to be on prep and know their status versus a random grinder hookup. You can go to a bar, spend money and maybe a hookup, you can cruise grinder all night hoping someone does not flake or you can order up exactly what you want - for a little bit of money. If you can afford it.

by Anonymousreply 13202/24/2020

Where are the cheap hookers? Maybe Colombia, Brazil? None left in US.

by Anonymousreply 13302/24/2020

You kinda don't want a 'cheap' hooker.... I mean, I wouldn't advise it. Plus its low class. LOLOLOLOL

by Anonymousreply 13402/24/2020

r133 check your local homeless encampment

by Anonymousreply 13502/24/2020

[quote]Where are the cheap hookers? Maybe Colombia, Brazil? None left in US.

Anywhere there are a lot of poor people. Southeast Asia, the Philippines, Africa, Eastern Europe.

by Anonymousreply 13602/24/2020

R75, pretty sure my mother and sisters are NOT prostitutes. Ever think maybe your uncle was closeted?

by Anonymousreply 13702/24/2020

Regarding BelAmi models escorting.

From Popbitch

>> Boy-Toys <<

Patrick Cox: gift-nicker

Neil Tennant from Pet Shop Boys celebrated his 50th birthday in 2004 and threw a big fancy Andy Warhol themed party to celebrate. His good friend, the shoe designer Patrick Cox, came along and brought two boys from the Bel Ami porn stable with him as a “present”. As the night went on though, Patrick found himself growing rather attached to the handsome lads – so snuck away from the party with the boys in tow, whisking them off to Shadow Lounge instead.

He presumably thought he’d gotten away with it too. Until Tennant, who arrived home at 4am, got in touch to say: “Ahem, I think I’m missing a present…”

by Anonymousreply 13802/24/2020

R129 is one of the best EST on here! More more

by Anonymousreply 13902/26/2020

[quote]I complained for so long that the dispatcher finally said, "Sir! I'm so sorry! If I didn't have such a terrible cold, I'd come over there and BLOW YOU RIGHT NOW!"

Customer service isn't what it used to be.

by Anonymousreply 14002/26/2020

What are going rates for escorts these days anyways.

by Anonymousreply 14103/01/2020

Most small town hookers (who aren’t drug addicts or homeless) can be had for about $125/hr.

Bigger cities are typically around $250-300/hr for a decent provider, ie younger than 25.

I’ve seen actual porn stars on RM for $500-1000, but I would consider them an exception to the rule. Definitely not my thing..

My favorite pastime when I travel to a new city though, is to convince an 18-19 year old hottie off Grindr to come over. It typically takes $300-400, but it always works after a few hours. With a “non-hooker” hooker, you know he’s clean and pure. So satisfying.

However, I prefer erotic massages when I need total relaxation, because I can just that there and do nothing. It’s great too because sometimes you get masseurs who don’t mind sucking you off or letting you finger their hot cunt at the end.

by Anonymousreply 14203/01/2020

I’m usually not that interested in this, but there’s an escort out of Indiana who is on CB and is so comfortable and laid back about it that he makes it seems so ordinary as calling for take out and seems like he’d be lots of fun. And I don’t even have a cowboy fetish.

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by Anonymousreply 14303/01/2020

[quote] With a “non-hooker” hooker, you know he’s clean and pure.

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by Anonymousreply 14403/01/2020

Ask Aaron Schock how much he charges...

by Anonymousreply 14503/01/2020

On a recent roadtrip across Nevada (Reno to Vegas), we noticed a few of those Bunny Ranches with the trailers out back. I can't imagine either side of that equation being too good--the women can't be that attractive, being that these places are in the middle of nowhere (meth head farm gals with no teeth?) and the customers are likely 300 lb truckers with hemmorhoids the size of Nebraska.

Maybe those places are from a different time, before the internet, and they had better looking wimmens. Just a curiosity to wonder about as we were driving 7 hours across the desert. Did they have male hookers back in the day too? Do these places even make money anymore? It just looked sad and depressing to me.

by Anonymousreply 14603/01/2020

R146 I worked as a cocktail waiter in a gay bar in Vegas for one summer in the 80s. One of my regulars was a cute blond twink who worked out of one of the houses. He always kept trying to get me to come out and visit telling me they would love me - 21, but looked 16. I regret not going, but I was always very cautious even before we knew what we know today. A hot hunky daddy left me a hotel key as a tip once too, and I didn’t take that trip either.

by Anonymousreply 14703/01/2020

God, you were such a bore, R147. I hope you’ve taken a few raw loads since then, hun.

by Anonymousreply 14803/01/2020

Pricing is so erratic. As an economist, I can never justify paying the $300-500 rates that most escort sites in big cities assume. The golden treasures are the poor midsize towns in the Midwest or South where Grindr hotties can be had for $40-$50. More sincere, interested and less narcissistic than the big city pros.

by Anonymousreply 14903/01/2020

How much do Geffen and Peter Thiel pay for their escorts?

by Anonymousreply 15003/01/2020

I like to think that billionaires can afford any ass. So, they probably hired A-list twinks like Timothée Chalamet.

by Anonymousreply 15103/01/2020

R147 Thanks for the story. I find this all really fascinating, from an anthropological point of view. That might make for a good show on HBO or Showtime, the Nevada brothel industry and Vegas sex workers in the 80s.

If somebody makes this a pilot, I want my cut for this million dollar idea, bitches!

by Anonymousreply 15203/01/2020

r147 There are no "houses" (legal ones, anyway) that feature male prostitutes in Nevada. Heidi Fleiss tried to start one (for female customers) and ran into all kinds of issues. And there are no legal "houses" of any kind in Las Vegas. They're only legal outside of the urban counties. (If you were talking about illegal ones, that's another thing, but I assumed you were responding to the post about the "ranches.")

by Anonymousreply 15303/01/2020

It’s like Amsterdam. Male whorehouses just aren’t a valid business model. Straight men need to pay - gay men can always find someone to have sex with just by lowering standards or going to a dark room.

by Anonymousreply 15403/01/2020

R49

That is not true, going by accounts from friends who've hired rent boys or trannie hoes at least.

Bottom line is once they have your money you cannot force them to do anything, this includes getting a full hour or whatever time that was paid/agreed.

Some idiots think they can call LE (which is stupid) but since contracts for illegal activity are null and void that doesn't go anywhere.

These days thanks to online reviews disgruntled clients at least can get some of their own back. But that is cold comfort after being played out of a hundred or hundreds of dollars.

by Anonymousreply 15503/01/2020

R154, do you mean “Not a valid business model...on a large scale”? Because there are definitely a couple of male whorehouses in Amsterdam. I went to one of them and had a pretty little blond thing in 2015. I have no idea whether they are profitable or not...

by Anonymousreply 15603/01/2020

True R156. But it always struck me as odd that there were endless options for prosititutes for straight men. But only 2 small, relatively quiet brothels for gay men that were only open odd hours. The online hookers definitely are better.

by Anonymousreply 15703/01/2020

R149

Cost of living in say New York City, San Francisco or LA is more than flyover country so naturally whores like everyone else needs to charge more.

With smarter or whatever pros there is also simple retail math. You can make your money two ways; sell lots of something cheaply, or very little of it at higher prices.

Far better I shouldn't wonder to turn only a few tricks per week/month and earn what is needed, than a constant steady flow of clients day in and out.

Have friends in Hell's Kitchen and Chelsea who have rent boys in their buildings. First give away is a constant parade of gentlemen callers day and night. They looked up some of them on Rentboy.com and NYExotics (before both were shut down) and found rates were rather cheap ($100 to $150 hour). OTOH they found some guys from area they never suspected, but they charged significantly more thus weren't "working" 24/7 to make their money.

Finally you have to consider for all whores their top dollar lifespan is short. Females, trans, guys... When fresh and new to the business they naturally can command high rates; but as years go on (if they are on the game) clients tend to move on to the always arriving new talent.

Case in point look at all the well used gay porn actors who in their prime escorting days made bank. Now guys like Marco Rossi can't even give it away.

by Anonymousreply 15803/01/2020

Seems like all the main sites like rentmen are filled with used up old porn stars charming $300+. So rare to find actually hot 20-somethings.

by Anonymousreply 15903/01/2020

Why don’t more of them learn how to massage? That skill can probably allow you to have a relevant day job and a lifeline when you age out of the whore business.

by Anonymousreply 16003/01/2020

R159, you must be in a small town. Hunting on Grindr might yield better results for you.

by Anonymousreply 16103/01/2020

R160

Licensed massage therapists don't make that much, at least not in NYC area anyway. Hence reason so many (licensed or not) will give "happy ending" for a bit extra. *LOL*

You see them all over city carrying those folding tables in big black cases. Out call escorts/hustlers pull in far more money on average for hourly work than massage. Besides one needs to attend classes and pass an exam to become a licensed massage person which all costs money. No such layout is required for escorting.

R159

Hot 20-30 somethings likely have their own apps or other ways of meeting clients. Sites like Exotics, Rentboy, etc.... are so yesterday, just like magazine and newspaper adverts were until internet displaced.

A lot of young men who were/are hustling on side or whatever got very nervous when rentboy was busted and files sized. Feds now had information on every advertiser as Rentboy. com was required to collect to have proof models were of legal age. That alone would be a reason to find something else other than a central database to advertise.

by Anonymousreply 16203/01/2020

I think you’re right R162. I guess that’s why many young hustlers are using Grindr. God knows the Chinese don’t care - as long as people are still willing to use their spyware app.

by Anonymousreply 16303/01/2020

Apps really didn't exist when Rentboy, Exotics and other escort sites started, but technology is changing things up rapidly.

Grinder likely is far cheaper than putting an advert up on whatever sites have replaced Rentboy or whoever.

Ironically it was shutting down of Rentboy that pushed many escorts onto apps and or to finding other ways to do their business.

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by Anonymousreply 16403/01/2020

R142 good insight thanks. The Grindr route seems ok. Just have to work harder to get what you want. Also don't fall for scams that use pay apps. Cash only. If they resist it's a scam!

by Anonymousreply 16503/02/2020

[quote] A lot of young men who were/are hustling on side or whatever got very nervous when rentboy was busted and files sized.

I guess they were worried people would know they’re not truly 8”.

by Anonymousreply 16603/02/2020

In the past the goal for a lot of escorts was to get regulars and have a regular monthly schedule instead of taking the risk of attracting no-shows and creeps, meaning the escorts stopped advertising. Sort of like a sugar daddy situation where the sugar daddy pays an allowance and it grants him an x-amount of dates.

In my profession I meet a few escorts here and there and sometimes they like to confide (not naming names, but what clients ask of them). One claims he makes most of his money just flattering his clients and act interested in what they are doing at work, about their hobbies, and media entertainment (TV shows, movies, music) they like. Apparently the clients don't get that otherwise. And for a lot of older generation career types it's still considered a weakness to show vulnerability and share how much you care or that you have any feelings at all. Also, intimacy issues have become a problem for a lot of clients of escorts where they can't really interact and communicate properly and that can cause a lot of non-hilarity ensues moments where the client can't even vocalize what he wants and oversteps previously set boundaries. A lot of escorts can do "rape" fantasies, but they have to be in on it first. And for escorts consent is as important as for any other hook up or date.

by Anonymousreply 16703/02/2020

I have no problem with the concept of escorting and although I haven't done it myself I would not rule out doing it in future.

The main issue I think I would have is actually finding an escort that I would want to pay for sex. I am not a total knock-out myself but I've not exactly struggled to get laid in the past so for me to pay someone for it, they would have to be absolute perfection. Having idly browsed escort sites before, there are actually very few that I've seen that would meet my standards.

by Anonymousreply 16803/02/2020

Escorts aren't really about the (vanilla) sex. You hire someone, because either you are ashamed or self-conscious about something, and need to be in full control of the situation where you make yourself vulnerable and get the desired outcome without much doubt and fear of the partner rejecting what you want and even feel rejected as a person.

by Anonymousreply 16903/02/2020

Who needs to escort these days with Only fans.

by Anonymousreply 17003/02/2020

Well, until we get to the point of technology where the guy on the screen can reach through it and blow me, we’ll still need them.

by Anonymousreply 17103/02/2020

R145 while he is definitely high end, he is not unattainable. Especially for those with extra disposable income.

by Anonymousreply 17203/02/2020

Can't wait till we evolve where machines take care of all our needs and not needing to hire some whore to make us feel fulfilled.

by Anonymousreply 17303/04/2020

There are a lot of high end escorts who, even in this social media days, you only get access to through referrals from people with a much, much higher social standing than the average DLer. Fashion and fitness models, B to D -list actors, the occasional sport star, etc. It's just more hush-hush than the yachting (minor and not so minor female celebs getting hired as the entertainment at parties and for more in private rooms) that happens in places like Cannes.

by Anonymousreply 17403/05/2020

R174

Well that would depend on how you define "lots", *LOL*

That being said am quite sure there are now and always have been those (males and females) higher up on the food chain of whores that are more exclusive. Probably a good percentage of these Instahoe guys or those you see in backgrounds of fabulous parties are quietly on the game.

Sort of like that episode of SATC where Carrie gets picked-up and rolled by some European guy she meets at a party, but next morning he leaves her a "gift".

Don't doubt many of these exclusive hoes have a day job or some other source of income, thus aren't totally reliant on dates. This give some amount of freedom and a veneer of respectability to whole thing. You aren't hiring a pro per se, but just making a generous donation to good friend (with benefits).

by Anonymousreply 17503/05/2020

[quote]There are a lot of high end escorts who, even in this social media days, you only get access to through referrals from people with a much, much higher social standing than the average DLer.

I knew Jeffrey Epstein as a good friend and business contact. Ghislaine Maxwell also. My only mistake was being too honourable in maintaining those friendships. I have no recollection of anything or anyone else.

by Anonymousreply 17603/05/2020

I struggled financially when I moved to the Bay Area in the 1980’s. Through a friend I met a number of older men who showed a lot of concern about my finances. I realized later that this friend was actually a scout for a group of older and successful gay men. The men were too busy with careers and, in some cases, families to make the effort to chart an affair or a relationship. Some of the offers were fairly dazzling.

by Anonymousreply 17703/05/2020

R174 Eliad Cohen is one of those access points for well connected jet set types

by Anonymousreply 17803/05/2020

R177 You're a whore darling.

by Anonymousreply 17903/05/2020

This is morally repugnant. #bebest

by Anonymousreply 18003/06/2020

R106 I believe R102 means people lie or have fake profiles on the apps, as well as websites...but this should not be some shocking surprise to anyone at all...

by Anonymousreply 18103/06/2020

R4 Good points. And I've just heard about the Hilary documentary where Bill says he had oral sex with Monica to relieve the "pressure of his job." OK, she was the secretary, but close enough.

by Anonymousreply 18203/06/2020

"Finally you have to consider for all whores their top dollar lifespan is short. Females, trans, guys... When fresh and new to the business they naturally can command high rates; but as years go on (if they are on the game) clients tend to move on to the always arriving new talent."

This isn't strictly true---unless you consider 25 years to be short. I have known a number of whores, male and female, who are able to plan for retirement because of their loyal regulars.

by Anonymousreply 18303/10/2020

Ok y'all. As everyone is freaking out over the coronavirus and people are practicing "social distancing", how do you think this is going to affect the escorting industry?

by Anonymousreply 18403/11/2020

If I was not such a cheap bastard, I would frequently contribute to the livelihoods of these fine young gentlemen. Ah, but I am a cheap bastard.

by Anonymousreply 18503/11/2020

I need to have an emotional connection for satisfying sex. I'd never be able to have that if I paid for it

by Anonymousreply 18603/11/2020

R186 Strange, I never am emotionally connected during sex--it is so mechanical and primal. May explain why I am single and other things...

by Anonymousreply 18703/11/2020

R177 Andrew Cunanan's zombie walks the earth?

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by Anonymousreply 18803/11/2020

R187, I wish I could do at but can't. The feeling is so magnified if I feel something for the guy and he feels something back. It's not worth it otherwise.

I learned on DL that this apparently a Leo trait.

by Anonymousreply 18903/11/2020

My masseur who fucks me after giving me hour long massages wants more I think. Like a regular John he fucks. He keeps texting me.

by Anonymousreply 19003/11/2020

He wants your money and if you aren't a hideous old man, he doesn't mind dumping in your ass. I let one tantric guy fuck me and he never stops contacting me. In the end, I think it's weird. Sure he can put a label "tantra" on it and not consider what we do sex work. I think these guys work TOO HARD for the money. Whore will fuck you but give you a crappy massage if any at all. Massage therapists will give you a massage and not fuck, and that's cool because the point of massage is not fucking. And then these guys will do EVERYTHING. No self respect.

by Anonymousreply 19103/11/2020

Honestly the virus thing has eliminated my desire for random sex - especially with an escort. It ain’t no HIV - but I’ve learned sometimes it’s better for mental health to just be safer and whack off.

by Anonymousreply 19203/11/2020

When I got to my masseur, I want a massage, not sex.

by Anonymousreply 19303/11/2020

Oh, think of the happy end as a way for your masseur to thank you for your business.

by Anonymousreply 19403/11/2020

I was upset when a masseur offered my bf a happy ending but not me!

by Anonymousreply 19503/11/2020

As a matter of curiosity are these masseurs offering happy endings registered? (You get a receipt to submit if your employment benefits cover massage.) I ask because I never get a happy ending from my gay massage therapist, who's a registered professional but in his advertising makes a really point of saying gay, for men, etc.

I'll be crushed if he's just not that into me. :)

by Anonymousreply 19603/11/2020

R196, you may not be exhibiting any “signs” to him and he may not want to risk losing his license by taking a chance on the wrong person.

by Anonymousreply 19703/11/2020

I tried it.

It left me with a bad taste in my mouth.

by Anonymousreply 19803/11/2020

[quote] He wants your money and if you aren't a hideous old man, he doesn't mind dumping in your ass.

R191 Yes that is it. But he’s becoming more and more chatty and personal and asking me who I’m seeing. He gives a good hour long massage before he fucks me after working on my hole. So just a massage is fine really. It’s harder to get a good massage than a fuck.

How long was your tantric massage?

by Anonymousreply 19903/11/2020

45mins-1hr

by Anonymousreply 20003/11/2020

R183

Number of whores with "loyal regulars" that supply a decent to excellent living enough so they can remain in the business, and retire after 25 so years is likely not very high.

by Anonymousreply 20103/12/2020

R184 read the threads here...these women document everything they do and if you really wanted to, you could easily basically doxxx them or identify who they are. That's really stupid especially when in many cities or countries it is illegal or even in countries where prostitution is legal, decriminalized, or tolerated if you get a trick that is violent the police do not give a fuck unless you are murdered. I feel very bad for them.

The bisexual and gay men I know who were prostitutes said they did it for survival as they were homeless such as a bisexual guy I know who was kicked out of his parents house when he came out to them, or the one gay guy did it to support a hard drug habit and wound up HIV+ either from IV drugs or unsafe sex as a bottom.

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by Anonymousreply 20203/15/2020

Researching Pat Ast ended up watching some videos of Joe Dallesandro. It looks like in linked video (1:10) he's getting $20 for letting some guy give him a BJ. That seems awful dirt cheap rates, what was this 1960's or 1970's? Twenty bucks didn't go far did it?

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by Anonymousreply 20303/19/2020

R203 in the 1960s $20 was akin to over $100 today.

by Anonymousreply 20403/26/2020

R204

Daymun; then Joe Dallesandro must have had something to get guys to fork out that kind of money just to blow him. No wonder Lou Reed sang "little Joe never once gave it away, everybody had to pay and pay...".

by Anonymousreply 20503/26/2020

I wonder how safe it if to indulge in one of these experiences during this coronavirus. I doubt they're taking the correct steps to keep themselves covid-free

by Anonymousreply 20603/29/2020

Hoes of all sorts (gays, trans, females) must be still working as not all can afford to go days or weeks without income. Those who were turning tricks on the side as second income may or may not be able to ride this out in certain cities, but that would depend upon their day job still paying.

But as noted previously at least here in NYC many large buildings have stopped anyone but residents from entering; all deliveries and so forth take place in lobby or even in front of main door. So anyone ordering up a hoe must be prepared to go downstairs and fetch them upstairs.

Many hotels are either empty or closed, and people aren't traveling into NYC anyway in large or any numbers. Thus would think for most hoes Covid-19 or not if they can book a date, they will take it. There were male and trans hoes who even during height of HIV/AIDS crisis and afterwards would do bareback/no condom if customers truly stressed the point. So don't think as a group many are going to say "no" to working over Covid-19

by Anonymousreply 20703/29/2020

I’m sad to say r207 is far more correct than I’d like him to be.

by Anonymousreply 20803/29/2020

Furthermore if you think about it now might be a good time for some gay/trans hoes to make bank.

Outcalls might be a problem, but for those living in walk-up buildings all over Manhattan it is another matter. Many buildings are largely empty as people have left city for country. Thus having people coming in and out all day/night might not attract the attention it otherwise might.

Consider also there are still plenty of men at home with tons of free time on their hands thanks to PAUSE order basically shutting down all offices. You also have people not affected by said PAUSE order who are still working (including LE, and other civil servants who see hoes just like other men). The national guard is in NYC, and also scores of doctors and nurses are arriving to work in hospitals. In short there just might be no shortage of men with an itch that needs scratching.

If spread of STD's then HIV/AIDS didn't stop many hoes from working, again don't see Covid-19 as any real deterrent. If people are out and about in NYC jogging, biking, going to parks and otherwise treating this event as one large extended holiday, do you really think not having sex for duration is top of their list?

by Anonymousreply 20903/29/2020

R207 a lot apparently see only regular clients, or the ones I know from Tumblr have all moved online to Fans only to sell pics and videos of themselves. Good luck with that.

by Anonymousreply 21003/31/2020

A friend of mine was an escort for five years when he was broke in his 20s. He said it was mostly like being a sex therapist--most of his clients were ashamed they didn't know how to fuck well.

by Anonymousreply 21103/31/2020

R210

For any hoe/hustler seeing only regular or otherwise known clients is safest way to go. It dramatically lessens possibility of arrest and subsequent consequences of that action.

But again many regulars aren't in town, and or coming into city. So can see why guys are taking to Only Fans or whatever else to make money. Again hoes/hustlers have bills to pay and first of month is tomorrow.

by Anonymousreply 21203/31/2020

My bodybuilder/personal trainer/ bisexual hoe has the Corona. He's self quarantining. Looks like a truck hit him.

by Anonymousreply 21304/05/2020

It's sad. I am ugly so having these hot people is the only means I can hookup. It's just too unsafe to do it now.

by Anonymousreply 21404/05/2020

I don't know how he acquired it. He personal trains in his own small gym and has regulars he escorts for. I'm more of a once a month client. He's actually a great guy, fun to hang out with ( outside of business) and he role plays in a way gay guys just cant duplicate. lol

by Anonymousreply 21504/05/2020

[quote] and he role plays in a way gay guys just cant duplicate. lol

I’m all ears.

by Anonymousreply 21604/05/2020

Well, I'm trying to think what's discernable. But proper discretion gets the better of me and I feel I'd be betraying my upbringing in a well respected polite southern home if I disclosed too much. (lol). Safe to say, there is rough housing and testosterone induced displays of masculinity. A handful of other disturbing displays of sexual role placement may occur between us before we settle down and attend to the individual gratification demands of the other. He insists he cums and sometimes twice. Even though its on my dime. He's scary intuitive with his timing and buttons to push. I never have to tell him what, where , when or how. He's like a mind reader. As well as being young Frank Gifford gorgeous, no tattoos, he's incredibly street smart and mechanical. I would take him with me to buy a house, a new car, a dishwasher, dental implants, whatever! He just knows shit about everything. So, I'll leave it there ... I think I've said enough about all that....lol

by Anonymousreply 21704/05/2020

I wonder how many clients a night escorts have. If you're a bottom, don't you have an entrance to the Holland Tunnel after a few weeks?

by Anonymousreply 21804/05/2020

R215 he probably got it from going out in public, or from another client. I hope he gets better soon.

by Anonymousreply 21904/06/2020

I wonder if the government is considering bailing out parts of the escort industry.

by Anonymousreply 22004/09/2020

they are, just on an individual basis, in private

by Anonymousreply 22104/09/2020

I'm assuming this whole "thing" has gone pretty quiet now, at least in the major cities.

Conversely, I expect there to be many more providers once the quarantine is lifted. Tons of people out there with no job prospects.

by Anonymousreply 22204/22/2020

There are still plenty of guys in NYC (including Manhattan) with that itch needing to be scratched. Some guys only sent the wife and children to the country, and just as with summer season are "grass widowers". Trans, females and males are still working, I assure you; larger issue however is getting into buildings especially better condo and co-op making out calls difficult.

In calls can be managed if the hoe in question lives in any of the number of anonymous five or six floor low rise tenement or other apartment buildings. Long as they keep traffic down not to attract attention... but then again many of their buildings might be largely empty of residents as well.

Despite what many seem to believe in this thread, a good number of hoes don't have the luxury of taking extended vacations. Unless they also had or have some other legitimate job bringing in money, they need to turn tricks...

During height of HIV/AIDs crisis trans, gay and even female hoes still were working, and there was still a steady demand for their services. This even when it became clear how the disease was transmitted.

by Anonymousreply 22304/22/2020

[quote]Conversely, I expect there to be many more providers once the quarantine is lifted. Tons of people out there with no job prospects.

I'm surprised more people haven't turned to Chaturbate or OnlyFans to earn additional money. Maybe even some low-level "celebrity."

by Anonymousreply 22404/22/2020

I've hired escorts. And they were pretty hot. But I must admit, it was never particularly good. I'm not sure why -- I suppose the 'notion' that they didn't actually want me, made it not very exciting.

by Anonymousreply 22504/22/2020

R223 your post reminded me of this video, I wonder how many of these TV/TS hookers are still alive? Sadly probably few if any.

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by Anonymousreply 22604/25/2020

R225 a friend of mine he hired a male hookers when on a business trip but he has a fetish for men's hands: like when a man puts his hand on his neck, over or in his mouth, and likes mutual j/o and massage with or without light bondage, and he likened it to buying a cup of coffee.

by Anonymousreply 22704/25/2020

[quote] I suppose the 'notion' that they didn't actually want me, made it not very exciting.

That's why I'd never hire one. I can't get past that. I do like to go to strip clubs and bathhouses (or I used to when I was younger), but I could never bring myself to pay someone for sex.

by Anonymousreply 22804/25/2020

R226

Thank you for that clip!

Ahhh the old Ru! (have known RuPaul for ages), coupled with what was left of the old Meatpacking District.

If they are still alive a good number of those old trans hoes have HIV/AIDS which means at least in NYC they get beenies like Medicaid, free or low cost supportive housing, meds (including hormone therapy), and gender reassignment surgery/breast implants, etc... all on taxpayers money.

Know a few trans that were loosely adjacent to the club kid scene back in the day (read they went to college and got real jobs), and whenever run into them ask about certain old school trans. They reply a good number are dead (AIDs, drug abuse, complications from unsupervised hormone therapy, violence/crime....), others "went back into boys clothes", and are living out remainder of their days best they can.

by Anonymousreply 22904/25/2020

I'm sure there will be an increase of people to hire even the whole covid thing goes away. More supply hopefully means more competitive pricing!

by Anonymousreply 23004/26/2020

r229, I'd rather my tax dollars go to keep trans people in hormones and the necessaries of life than, say, build another fucking sports stadium or provide tax breaks for yet another trillion-dollar corporation to provide useless goods or services. Anyway, sex workers have to sacrifice their own sexual preferences to go with people they otherwise would turn down, so by rights they should be rewarded for it.

by Anonymousreply 23104/26/2020

R231

"Sacrifice" did you say?

You live in some sort of dream world.

Other than those forced into it, no one pushes anyone to be a hoe; it is their choice, and theirs alone.

Second of all you obviously know nothing about prostitutes; most can and do lay with their preferred sexual partners regardless of what sex pays otherwise. Do you honestly believe all those gay for pay go-go boys, hustlers, escorts and the rest give up sleeping with females because they are pulling gay tricks? More to the point scores if not hundreds of women contracted HIV/AIDS from their husbands or boyfriends who were screwing around with men for pay or free.

Majority of trans hookers working meatpacking district were down there for easy money/pickings. This especially towards last decades before city finally cleared things out once and for all. You had big black or Latino men not remotely considered trans just wig and ratty skirt pulling dates, and why? Because guys who want to suck dick while telling themselves they aren't gay pay more than average gay hustlers get.

Save me your sermon about how those trans hooker deserve taxpayer funded services. If you listen to Rupaul's interview those hoes were pulling $$$$ per night they worked, all of it tax free. Multiply that by a career that if only spanned a few years means they earned far more than many working on the books but don't qualify for any assistance.

by Anonymousreply 23204/26/2020

R232 if it's regulated and taxed, I wonder if there will be an increase or decrease of people escorting.

by Anonymousreply 23304/26/2020

I had mine( rentboy) over yesterday. He said, his personal training gym was doing great but his escorting had dried up, which I was relieved to hear. I also went grocery shopping, post office, pumped gas and ran by CVS pharmacy. I'm sure I touched hundreds of things that hundreds of others( in a Texas city of 4 million) had also touched. Hell, if anything I may have given it to him. Even a spouse that leaves the house on errands cannot guarantee when they get back their not infected. This new cautious normal and mitigating exposure is great but in the end it's just a roll of the dice.

by Anonymousreply 23404/27/2020

Thanks R229, is it true Ru is a bottom or vers, or that he is HIV+? Did Ru ever do sex for pay? Who murdered VENUS XTRAVAGANZA?

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by Anonymousreply 23504/27/2020

Very true R232, in countries where prostitution being a HO, is legal or tolerated, it is basically legalised sexual slavery, pimping, and sex trafficking, and the governments of these countries still rake in lots of euros or dollars from it no matter what even if it's legal, tolerated, decriminalised, or illegal...it's all in the game! In many ways the illegality of being a ho in countries where it is not legal or decriminalised is better than countries where it is legal, tolerated, or decriminalised as any hoe or ex-hoe in the game will tell you about how in places where it is illegal they pull in the cash tax free and no cut goes to a pimp/agency IF they are an independent ho.

"Gay for pay" is a myth it is just another term for being bisexual or many gay male hookers will claim to be "straight/het" because they know that there are lots of queens who need that fantasy that they are having sex with a real het/straight guy...

by Anonymousreply 23604/27/2020

I have been friends with multiple current and former hookers/prostitutes, strippers, and Dominants/Dominatrixes. I like hearing about their clients' kinks. The one guy was bisexual and he talked about how he had done both street prostitution when desperate and as a teen in the early 1980s when his dad kicked him out when he came out as bisexual, and he had a sugar mama who he slept with for money and he seduced her daughter. He told me how sometimes with older gay men he would not do sex with them but they wanted companionship or someone to talk to. He did not get HIV/AIDS as he practiced safer sex, was way more into oral sex-getting/giving, and used condoms for anal and vaginal sex, and did not IV drugs or share needles. He did not sugar coat being a former prostitute as he did say how he was once robbed and raped by a man, and how there was one guy who saw him on the street and wanted to attack him or rob him, and someone else saw this and beat the predatory guy up. We both found it funny how there are apparently prostitutes/hookers who claim that being kept or having a sugar daddy or sugar mama is simply NOT prostitution...Sure Jan.

Another current stripper/prostitute I know dances for cash, and she finds older and younger men both in strip clubs and online, who have a foot fetish and lets them worship her feet, jack off on them, step on their bodies/cocks with her feet or in stiletto heels-this kink is apparently very common it is akin to bisexual and gay men who want men to do this to them wearing boots or shoes, and does foot jobs and hand jobs. It is just for money, and while she is bisexual she has no sexual attraction at all to any of these men. She also will find men who want to have a woman play with their asshole-she wears gloves, or fuck them up the ass with her wearing a strapon dildo.

Another former prostitute got into the game to support his hard drug addictions, he is gay and would have sex with another gay guy who was also selling opiate pills and dope (heroin) and sadly he wound up HIV+ and getting Hep C either from unsafe anal sex as a bottom or from sharing needles; but he is now sober, on meds, and doing well.

by Anonymousreply 23704/28/2020

r235

Knew Ru through mutual friends (largely Club Kids) and from bars/clubs; didn't get all up into her/his private business.

What always admired about RuPaul is that unlike the trans who often gave her shade for not being "real" or whatever (including fact Ru didn't wear drag unless working/getting paid), was her/his work ethic. People seem to think that RuPaul came out of nowhere with Drag Queen Races and the rest; fact is Miss. Girl worked her behind off just like any performer who has gone onto a successful career.

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by Anonymousreply 23904/29/2020

I am 55. When I was in my 20s and 30s I worked out regularly and always had a boyfriend or could easily find someone for sex. I was a solid 8 out of 10 in looks which means I could never attract a perfect 10, sometimes a 9, but never a 10. My cock is above average, but back in the day nobody published pictures of their cocks and people pretty much didn't qualify you on this measure.

When I was in my late 30s I met a hot Puerto Rican with an amazing body and cock. That part of him was a 10, his mental and emotional IQ lowered his overall score, but we stayed together until 2 years ago.

The first thing I thought of when we ended things was how I am going to survive without his perfect cock to play with? I now use apps such as Grindr and find different kids of guys who are truly into men my age who are in good shape. The sex is good and mutual. I still have not met anyone with a cock as nice as my ex's.

I recently met someone on Grindr who sent me a pic of his perfect cock, but he asked if I am gen. I was curious and asked how much and we agreed on a price and he came over and all I did was touch his sculpted body and suck on his nice piece. He got very hard and he let me suck as long as I wanted until I came. He got paid and left. He was polite, but there was no chemistry at all.

I have invited him back 3 more times and each time is the same as the time before. I am losing interest because the interaction is so similar and imagine I will pretty soon stop calling him. He kind of feels like a living sex robot. I imagine someday when robots become more realistic and become mainstream, the interaction will be similar to this guy. Not bad at all, but not everything either.

I feel fortunate to come into middle age with great memories of mutual passionate sex, the kind that comes with having a face and body that others found attractive, and lucky that several still do.

I see myself more open to paying for limited/safe sex down the road as I get older and my Grindr dates diminish with age.

Life is about being realistic with what you presently have to work with, when beauty fades and you continue to want beauty, you need make yourself more attractive with cash.

by Anonymousreply 24004/29/2020

[quote]I'm just surprised so many gay men use escorts.

I don't know any who have

by Anonymousreply 24104/29/2020

There is a reason they call it the oldest profession in the world.

I really doubt computer he or she bots will ever replace the many people who earn their cash providing sexual comfort and companionship.

by Anonymousreply 24204/29/2020

R240 geeze, why does sex have to be about chemistry and passion? Maybe its a generational thing, but most of my times have been purely to satisfy a need and thats it. It has just been primal. I don't wanna get involved or fall for someone or be passionate--that is just a recipe for disaster.

I'll worship my 10s and be done with it.

by Anonymousreply 24304/29/2020

I agree with R240, sex with a beautiful man who doesn't feel any attraction to you is fun, but ultimately empty. I understand why someone can lose interest in even the most gorgeous man if he feels nothing in return.

by Anonymousreply 24404/29/2020

R240, just stop.

by Anonymousreply 24504/29/2020

R245 must be Fugly

by Anonymousreply 24604/29/2020

[quote] It would scare the fuck out of me to call someone or send an email trying to hire someone, I would be afraid that it was an undercover cop or something, I guess.

That's easy to get around. Don't show any money until he gets to your place, and then say, "Are you by any chance police?" if he is, he has to say yes or it would get thrown out of court. if he is not, then say, "Neither am I," and then show him the money and have at it.

by Anonymousreply 24704/29/2020

There were tree porn stars that I really wanted to hire as escorts. Two of them, Berke Banks and Leo Giamani, supposedly escorted, but I could never find them listed on any service or find any other contact information. The third, Jeremy Walker, was listed on Rentmen, but was stating Top Only. I didn't have the money or time to go to his town at the time, but later I noted he was top/versatile, which was perfect as I wanted to fuck him as well as get fucked by him. Having time and money I looked for his listing, and he was gone. Anyone been with any of these guys?

by Anonymousreply 24804/29/2020

[quote] There were tree porn stars that I really wanted to hire as escorts

OH DEAR!!! TREES?! MARY!!!

by Anonymousreply 24904/29/2020

[quote]The guy was really nice and down to earth, took his time and even stayed extra. He didn't turn weird after I came, either.

What does he mean "turn weird after I came"?

by Anonymousreply 25004/29/2020

Maybe he cums weird ?? Who knows.

by Anonymousreply 25104/29/2020

[quote]”Are you by any chance police?" if he is, he has to say yes or it would get thrown out of court. if he is not, then say, "Neither am I," and then show him the money and have at it.

You watch way too much TV.

Think of what you’re saying: all undercover operations throughout the entire country would come grinding to a screeching halt if the perps knew to ask that one silly question. Guess these drug lords and dealers, prostitutes and car thieves didn’t know to simply ask.

I don’t know where this rumor originated, I know it’s been around for a while, but just think about it. Plus, the SCOTUS has ruled the police can lie to you.

by Anonymousreply 25204/30/2020

R248 I heard they’re branching out!

by Anonymousreply 25304/30/2020

Someone please invent a sex robot that is so real you cannot tell the difference. People can purchase or rent for the weekend.

This will be a game changer in Thailand and other parts of Eastern Europe.

by Anonymousreply 25404/30/2020

R252 An argument for entrapment (the action of tricking someone into committing a crime in order to secure their prosecution) can be made but the success would depend on the circumstances. In theory ( for legal purposes) your paying for their time. If sex happens then it's just between 2 consenting adults.

by Anonymousreply 25504/30/2020

Trannie hookers one knows of explained how they protect themselves from being busted when doing in or out calls.

Experienced indoor prostitutes (male, female or trans) know the deal and so do LE. Many won't even ask or whatever about money until after sex has begun or is over. That of course means you have to know your customer including he won't get his jollies for free then leave, but it is probably the one full proof method.

Most hoes say they are pretty good at spotting undercover LE; they just have a look about them and or don't behave like regular johns. When it comes to busting gay or trans sex workers not every LE is willing to kiss or even touch another guy.

Mostly however undercover busts follow a predictable script; they have to for the thing to stand up in court. Hoes know this and look for signs; like cars suddenly stationing themselves around their building. A john who stands near front window and pulls out a huge wad of bills to count off one or two hundreds.... The cop is wired of course so a simple search or undressing will give that up. Noise outside in hall of apartment (cops waiting to make the bust), etc...

by Anonymousreply 25604/30/2020

Trannie hookers one knows of explained how they protect themselves from being busted when doing in or out calls.

Experienced indoor prostitutes (male, female or trans) know the deal and so do LE. Many won't even ask or whatever about money until after sex has begun or is over. That of course means you have to know your customer including he won't get his jollies for free then leave, but it is probably the one full proof method.

Most hoes say they are pretty good at spotting undercover LE; they just have a look about them and or don't behave like regular johns. When it comes to busting gay or trans sex workers not every LE is willing to kiss or even touch another guy.

Mostly however undercover busts follow a predictable script; they have to for the thing to stand up in court. Hoes know this and look for signs; like cars suddenly stationing themselves around their building. A john who stands near front window and pulls out a huge wad of bills to count off one or two hundreds.... The cop is wired of course so a simple search or undressing will give that up. Noise outside in hall of apartment (cops waiting to make the bust), etc...

by Anonymousreply 25704/30/2020

r248 You need to familiarize yourself with this message board (and its related escort review site.) Here's a thread on Jeremy Walker (there are several; do a search.) I'm sure you can find discussions of the others.

BTW, apparently Leo Giamani has an OnlyFans where he does lots of solo stuff (including with toys.)

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by Anonymousreply 25804/30/2020

Sometimes you can make escorts out of hot guys on Grindr. Usually cheaper too.

by Anonymousreply 25905/02/2020

R240 what is the 'perfect cock' for you? Why not just buy a dildo? You know with hoes it is all about MONEY right? They are not actually attracted to you, and many basically zone out or think about basically anything or anyone else during sex or when they are with a client.

by Anonymousreply 26005/03/2020

you can't squeeze a dildo's ass or lick his pecs

by Anonymousreply 26105/03/2020

That's true R261 but I doubt the putas R240 gets with kiss or they may not want to have their ass touched?

I have been told by former escorts both men, women, and trans that they do not kiss and it's just strictly fast sex and that they watch the clock like a hawk or even will try to get the client to stay for longer than a hour, talk or keep conversations going before sex, and charge them for a half hour or another hour, or as one former stripper/escort I know said "You pay me for my time. What we do during that time is up to you. If you spend all of your time talking or doing anything else instead of doing what we both know you are paying me for, that's your problem not mine."

by Anonymousreply 26205/03/2020

I feel like I lived a lifetime reading this thread. The scales have fallen from mine eyes.

by Anonymousreply 26305/03/2020

R260 doing ruin the magic and fun for everyone. Sex is just mechanical anyways. See?

by Anonymousreply 26405/04/2020

Can someone explain me this: What's a "gay" escort? That's actually exist? For me it's just Escort = fucks everything that has a hole with price.

by Anonymousreply 26505/04/2020

Honey, we can’t even explain basic grammar to you.

You want to get started on the intricacies of escorts?

by Anonymousreply 26605/04/2020

R266 You're a cunt like most of them.

by Anonymousreply 26705/04/2020

R267, she "we" trollled. Never respond to a we troll.

by Anonymousreply 26805/04/2020

Oh relax you too. It was a joke in the grandest DL tradition.

It was low hanging fruit and I had to take it.

by Anonymousreply 26905/04/2020

Any tips on haggling during this time? They must be desperate for business now.

by Anonymousreply 27005/05/2020

Don't know about escorting, but Grinder seems to be dangerous in NYC atm.

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by Anonymousreply 27105/06/2020

R271 Corona is much more dangerous and in NYC, no less?? Did the pandemic end and some of us missed the memo?

by Anonymousreply 27205/06/2020

What is your point boy?

by Anonymousreply 27305/06/2020

R271 the hookup apps/websites have always been dangerous but so has meeting a stranger in a bar or dance club; but at least if you meet someone in a bar or dance club you can talk to them or observe them in person, and pick up if they are predatory or not.

by Anonymousreply 27405/08/2020

R274

Suppose what you say might be true, but IIRC reading old news reports a good number of gay men turned up dead either in their apartments, and or were found on the piers (if not the river) after picking up tricks. Don't think one serial murder of gay men at that time was ever caught IIRC.

Trans of course have also been turning up dead from dates they met in bars/clubs or along meatpacking district stroll.

If persons could accurately read the intentions of strangers scores if not hundreds of women, children, boys and even men wouldn't have met gruesome deaths via serial killers.

Friend who is a psychiatric nurse always says it isn't the obviously "crazy" persons who worry her; but the intelligent, erudite and charming ones are who you have to watch.

by Anonymousreply 27505/08/2020

She’s definitely right about that, r275.

It’s like the people who threaten suicide in a big way, like threatening to jump off the GWB, they don’t want to do it, they want help (or attention) or they would’ve just quietly jumped.

by Anonymousreply 27605/08/2020

[quote]What is your point boy?

That made laugh...I've heard people use gurl on here, but not boy.

by Anonymousreply 27705/08/2020

That's very true R275 I no longer do hook ups as the last time I did one this guy attacked me when we were having sex and his boyfriend and I got him to stop and calm down.

I have always assumed that whoever I hooked up with both women and men that they could be HIV+, had safer sex, and assumed that these people could be predatory or not nice people as I have had women and men stalk me after we had agreed it was just going to be a hook up and nothing more.

by Anonymousreply 27805/11/2020

Remember Prince Charming, Robert Repulveda Jnr? The most ridiculous escort ever. What he did depended on how attractive he found you, but he still expected to be paid in full!

by Anonymousreply 27905/12/2020

Hah! R279 one of the FABULOUS BEEKMAN BOYS who both posted here on datalounge was a hooker but I forget which one was...

by Anonymousreply 28005/13/2020

There's male escorts who cater exclusively male clients? Just curious.

by Anonymousreply 28105/20/2020

R281 'Are there male escorts' Fixed it for you. Yes, there are plenty.

by Anonymousreply 28205/20/2020

r280 I thought he was a drag queen, not a hooker.

by Anonymousreply 28305/20/2020

No, R283 Josh Kilmer-Purcell was definitely a hooker R283. My roommate read his book and he was very open about it. He would have sex in drag and in an old post here on DL someone wrote about how in the mid 1990s they hooked up with him and said "Sorry I am not that into women/guys dressed up as women..." and he took off the drag, makeup, etc. and started crying because most men did not want him out of drag, and the person wrote about how he was hard and Josh Kilmer-Purcell sat on his cock raw/bare which concerned him but he later got tested and was HIV-.

by Anonymousreply 28405/24/2020

Any of them offering discounts for covid? I feel like they should.

by Anonymousreply 28506/13/2020

Wondering if R25 still feels the same way as he did in 2012, or if he's hit the wall and now needs to pay.

by Anonymousreply 28606/13/2020

It seems like they are back in business and charging more than ever!!! Lower your damn prices theres a pandemic!

by Anonymousreply 287Last Monday at 5:33 AM

supply and demand. more people have time to be horny and are using stimulus money to boot

by Anonymousreply 288Last Monday at 5:52 AM

I hired a hooker once and will never do it again. I was on vacation in Florida and was horny and saw an ad for a hot looking guy and thought, "What the hell? I'm on vacation."

It was a mistake. The guy who showed up was gorgeous - a big, young German hunk. However, he was most likely straight and didn't seem to know what to do really. He said he had recently moved to Florida from Frankfurt and was living with his brother and sister-in-law. He had a job in construction, but wanted to make more money so he could move out and live on his own. He said his brother and sister-in-law didn't know he was escorting.

He was the sweetest guy, and I could tell that this was not his thing, so I put a stop to it after about 5 minutes. I had a hotel room with a balcony that overlooked the ocean, and he loved the ocean, so we just sat on my balcony and watched the water for a while. He thanked me for being nice and offered to give me my money back, but I paid him anyway, and before he left, I told him I didn't think he should do this anymore and that it didn't seem like the right choice for him.

About six months later, I had to go back to Florida for work. Out of curiosity, I looked online to see if he still had an ad up, and he didn't. I hope he took my advice and gave up the escorting.

So short story long, it wasn't the experience I had hoped for and I wouldn't do it again.

by Anonymousreply 289Last Monday at 5:58 AM

I was a closeted professional back in 2008. When I finally allowed myself to fall in love with a guy, I was outed to my friends by a bitter asshole who was jealous of our new relationship. That relationship didn't last very long as I'd never been with a man until then and felt totally ill at ease. So, I decided to hire a professional to tutor me and help me build a level of comfort that I was missing.

Through referrals, I selected a man who was an actor / writer in New York. We 'dated' for about 3 years. We traveled all over the US and Europe and I developed a comfort with myself that hadn't enjoyed.

Eventually, I wanted something more serious and we stopped meeting. But, I will always be grateful for his kindness and his help. He has stopped escorting now.

by Anonymousreply 290Last Monday at 6:18 AM

Hiring an escort has worked fine with me. I use a big website, choose the guy carefully. I give very detailed info what I want and especially what I don’t want. It is a contract. He gets money I get hot guy I would never get without paying. I hate finding a man in a bar or a club. I actually have found better guys during day in hotels beaches and cafes than from a bar. But if the vacation has been sexually dry I hire an escort. But you have to know the rules, keep it physical. Be nice pay full price and give a tip if you the service was good. Be respectful and say if something doesn’t work. A pro escort knows what to do.

by Anonymousreply 291Last Monday at 6:28 AM

[quote]It is a contract

But not a legal, enforceable one.

by Anonymousreply 292Last Monday at 7:40 AM

What is the standard tip amount if the sex was good? Let's say on a $200 quote.

by Anonymousreply 293Last Monday at 8:19 AM

I have a few friends who escort, one in particular, I wouldn't have to pay for it - he's a nice guy and we've known each other since college. He's hinted at times he would be up for a fling. He's asked me to take some pictures of him naked and hard to put on his profiles. It would just be too weird for me. We've known each other since the early 90's. He's older than me, and would warn me about who to avoid when I first came out - he kind of took me under his wing so to speak when I first came out and started hitting up the bars and clubs.

by Anonymousreply 294Last Monday at 10:36 AM

The worst escort is Robert Repulveda Jnr who charged a guy $900 just to sit on the bed and give him a hand job.

by Anonymousreply 295Last Monday at 3:30 PM
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