Ann Reinking's version of AGAINST ALL ODDS
It's never been posted on Youtube in all of these years so far. I'd love to watch it, as it's supposed to be legendary in its awfulness. From what I heard, she did an interpretive dance around it, and Collins hated it so much that he bashed her in the media for months afterwards. But no one seems to have it.
Did Reinking pay to have the tapes burned?
|by Anonymous||reply 88||12/02/2014|
Phil Collins wasn't even asked to sing the song that night, even though he attended the ceremony.
|by Anonymous||reply 1||03/31/2012|
OMG...she didnt try to do an interpretive dance around but she tried to act out the song rather than sing it. My friends and I still mimic it to this day...
|by Anonymous||reply 2||03/31/2012|
It was worse than Rob Lowe's dance with Snow White.
|by Anonymous||reply 3||03/31/2012|
There was a pas de deux with the outstanding Gary Chryst who played the pimp in Pat Benatar's "Love is a Battlefield." At one time, there was Ann and Gary dancing while her prerecorded vocals played in the background. She was later even a presenter, which caused many to wonder who she was fucking. The answer? Billionaire Herb Allen.
It wrecked her Hollywood career, which was taking flight with her very appealing performance in the Dudley Moore comedy "Micki and Maude."
This performance was seen as the catalyst for allowing the original performers to do their nominated songs instead of trying for production numbers.
|by Anonymous||reply 5||03/31/2012|
I remember the controversy. They allowed deniece williams and ray parker jr. to perform their hit songs. But not kenny loggins, stevie wonder and phil collins. Stevie wonder ended up winning. Dont know if kenny loggins was there or not. But people were really upset about phil collins. I think all the songs ended up being performed as production numbers. And he didnt fit in with that.
|by Anonymous||reply 6||03/31/2012|
They should just have one super-talented singer do all of the nominated songs. They did that one year and it was a smash hit. I, uh, she got to have a shitload of costume changes, too.
|by Anonymous||reply 7||04/01/2012|
I have only heard of this fiasco, but have never seen it. I wish someone would put it up on Youtube. From what I've heard over the years, it really was as awful as legend would have it.
|by Anonymous||reply 8||04/01/2012|
Isn't it amazing that there are no pictures or clips of it on the internet at all?!?!?
|by Anonymous||reply 9||04/01/2012|
It was Against All THE Odds.
|by Anonymous||reply 10||04/01/2012|
I saw it when it originally aired, and yes, it was just as god-awful as you have heard.
|by Anonymous||reply 12||03/02/2013|
I have it on videotape. If I were to digitize it and put it on youtube, would I get kicked off or banned from youtube?
|by Anonymous||reply 13||03/02/2013|
Really a shame because she was stunning in All That Jazz and really good in Micki and Maude. I know she was supposed to star opposite Matthew Broderick in No Small Affair but it was recast with Demi Moore and Jon Cryer.
She's an amazing dancer and choreographer and very well respected in the theatre community where no one gives a rats ass about the oscars.
|by Anonymous||reply 14||03/02/2013|
Oooh, pretty please, r13!!!
|by Anonymous||reply 15||03/02/2013|
Bump this motherfucker! I've got to see this!
|by Anonymous||reply 16||03/03/2014|
Does anyone remember how the Oscars treated the nomination of the song "Purple Rain"? He accepted the award onstage (link) but I can't find anything about a performance.
|by Anonymous||reply 17||03/03/2014|
r17 It was the typical Prince live performance; in other words, he and The Revolution tore it up, and received a standing ovation. It was the highlight of the evening.
|by Anonymous||reply 18||03/03/2014|
I agree with r14. I know this board hates her, but I just have to disagree - she was stunning, a great dancer, a decent if deep voiced singer, and a good enough actress who probably would have gotten better.
But it this really why her movie career ended? Especially in the days before Internet and google, I can't imagine something like this literally derailing a career to the point where she never acted again short of a Cosby Show appearance. Or even if it was that much of a career killer, she still would done some low grade direct to video crap and bit parts here and there. The fact that she literally did NOTHING leads me to believe that it was more voluntary, but it has always been a mystery to me anyway. Maybe Herb Allen gave her some huge chunk of change so she was set for life?
|by Anonymous||reply 19||03/03/2014|
Crickets? I've actually been curious about this for some time (why she suddenly stopped working, that is).
|by Anonymous||reply 20||03/04/2014|
R 13 - can I buy a copy of this perfomance from you
|by Anonymous||reply 21||05/07/2014|
Is it as good as Lucille Ball's interpretation of "It's Today"?
|by Anonymous||reply 22||05/08/2014|
[all posts by tedious, racist idiot removed.]
|by Anonymous||reply 23||05/08/2014|
Being in ANNIE didn't help.
|by Anonymous||reply 24||05/08/2014|
The video is now on youtube
|by Anonymous||reply 25||11/29/2014|
I tried to give it a little 'oh, that was just the coked-out 80s' context, but no, that truly was career-ending awful, like a Molly Shannon SNL sketch crossed with some white Miss America contestant singing the Dreamgirls songbook. And the pimp from Pat Benetar's video is just the right addition of wtf.
|by Anonymous||reply 29||11/29/2014|
Wow, that was really bad. Was Reinking ever considered a singer or was she mostly just known for dancing?
|by Anonymous||reply 30||11/29/2014|
I love the end of it. How she looks like she thing she really killed it. Well she did. Just not in the way she thinks.
|by Anonymous||reply 31||11/29/2014|
Phil Collins asked/inquired twice (once in writing) about performing the song.
He was told they would prefer someone that was a member of the AMPAS to perform the song.
He said the letter denying his request started with "Dear Phillip"
I watched the Oscar broadcast live and Reinking's performance of "against all odds" was embarrassingly bad.
|by Anonymous||reply 32||11/29/2014|
That shouldn't have been a career-ending performance, that should have been a singing-live-on-national-TV-ending performance.
Thanks for finding it, R28!
|by Anonymous||reply 33||11/29/2014|
In the very beginning of that video, you see Angela Lansbury in a caftan.
|by Anonymous||reply 34||11/29/2014|
She wasn't singing live and I posted the clip first, so you're 0 for 2, R33.
|by Anonymous||reply 35||11/29/2014|
It looked to me like she sang the first part live, and then the recording took over as the dancing started.
|by Anonymous||reply 36||11/29/2014|
As a singer, Ann Reinking is quite a dancer.
It was particularly funny how she kept singing against all THE odds ........ and when she whisper/screeched that 'so take a look at me now'
I would've rather seen them perform the hooker ho-down from 'Love Is A Battlefield' ..
|by Anonymous||reply 37||11/29/2014|
Oh my god.
Come back, AnnE, all is forgiven.
|by Anonymous||reply 38||11/29/2014|
In your face, Ann.
I danced with him better.
Starting at 3:18
|by Anonymous||reply 39||11/29/2014|
I love the hooker hoe down! Thanks r37 and 39. Always loved Pat' take on Sweet Charity.
|by Anonymous||reply 40||11/29/2014|
She was beautiful and a great dancer. That lame performance did not end her career. She returned to Broadway and won awards for acting, directing and choreography (Chicago, Fosse).
|by Anonymous||reply 41||11/29/2014|
Except for the end, where she overdid it just a tad, I still don't get what was wrong with that. Put it this way...I've seen far worse Oscar performances.
Or has anyone seen the Teri Garr Oscar opening from I think '86? If that had been anyone else, that probably would have been a career ender - the whole concept was ridiculous, she was singing completely off key (you think THIS was bad?) and the dancing was pretty amateurish. But she's Teri Garr and she's still adorable even if she can't sing a note that you can't possibly hold it against her.
|by Anonymous||reply 42||11/29/2014|
Reinking was great and got a little residual resentment that Collins (then at his peak) wasn't allowed to sing his own song. Nobody thought she butchered it. But she wasn't given much of a fair shake with the "controversy" pre-show.
Loved her then, watch her now on the Criterion version of "All That Jazz". She's held up well though I wouldn't recognize her on the street these days.
By the way, I watched that 1984 Oscar ceremony at a big manager's apartment -- with Phyllis Diller sitting across the table from me the whole night (and groaning "Jesus" when Sally Field gave her famous bad speech.) She didn't say one word to me the whole night, ha. Dorothy Lamour at least smiled in my direction -- once.
|by Anonymous||reply 43||11/29/2014|
R43 I saw her in the Food Emporium sometime in the early 2000s. She was jowlier, of course, but I definitely recognized her.
Btw her son was born in the 90s and she quit the biz well before that - for those saying his illness was the reason she left.
|by Anonymous||reply 44||11/29/2014|
Saw her and Tommy Tune (!) doing "Bye Bye Birdie" in Long Beach during her "final act" before retirement. Man, those legs... and, yes, she could sing too.
She is responsible for one of my all time favorite film moments too, one I actually show acting students: that choky voiced delivery to Joe Gideon, "I wish you weren't so generous with your cock." All hers.
|by Anonymous||reply 45||11/29/2014|
P.S. Just meet her, R42, and you'll change your tune (or out of tune).
|by Anonymous||reply 46||11/29/2014|
OMG. I haven't seen that since it aired, and I'm just as WTF about it now as I was in middle school.
|by Anonymous||reply 47||11/30/2014|
It was really not good, but not THAT bad.
It's one of those bad showbiz moments that gets blown way out of proportion, like Supertrain or Life With Lucy—reputed to be napalm but actually just meh.
Anyway - everyone download this quick in case it gets deleted from YouTube!
|by Anonymous||reply 48||11/30/2014|
Yes, it is indeed awful. She's overwrought, has a... character voice, and phrases badly. Oh, and she gets the fucking lyrics wrong on a playback vocal ("Against all THE odds").
Strange that they had her dance with a man who appears shorter than her
|by Anonymous||reply 49||11/30/2014|
The entire 1985 Academy Awards is on YouTube btw.
|by Anonymous||reply 50||11/30/2014|
I preferred Ann Reinking's performance on 'Night of 100 Stars". Wardrobe by Oscar de la Rent, hair by Sticking Her Head Out the Window of Her Limo.
|by Anonymous||reply 53||11/30/2014|
Stick around for a minute if you click on R53's link and check out who's wearing Pauline Trigere!
|by Anonymous||reply 54||11/30/2014|
Not quite as bad as Ireland's Linda Martin and her cover version of Daft Punk's "Get Lucky":
|by Anonymous||reply 55||11/30/2014|
I was 15 when that ceremony aired and the funny thing is, the only 2 moments I remember are Sally Field's win and this atrocity.
I can't imagine that Deniece Williams and Ray Parker, Jr., were members of AMPAS, so that can't be the reason Collins wasn't allowed to perform his song.
In fact, he got cheated out of performing his next nominated song, "Two Hearts" from "Buster" (1988); since there were only 3 songs nominated that year, the Academy decided not have any of them performed! Shocking, I know. (That was the year Carly Simon won for "Let the River Run" -- incidentally, she also got cheated out of performing her other nominated song at the Oscars -- 1977's "Nobody Does it Better" was performed by Aretha Franklin, of all people.)
|by Anonymous||reply 56||11/30/2014|
Here's Aretha Franklin's performance of "Nobody Does It Better" at the Oscars:
|by Anonymous||reply 57||11/30/2014|
Terri Garr's opening number was pretty typical of them all. Since the beginning was meant to be funny anyway and the end had her surrounded by a bunch of dancers, even with her bad singing ....it didn't come off much worse than others.
Among the worst ever was the one that aired the same night as Snow White/Rob Lowe ....
Presenting the 'Stars Of Tomorrow' .... well, not so much ! But always fun to see Corey 'Michael Jackson' Feldman.
Starts at 4:10
|by Anonymous||reply 58||11/30/2014|
One of Ann Reinking's shining hours: Big Noise from Winnetka, a pas de deux with Jeff Hyslop
|by Anonymous||reply 59||11/30/2014|
Can someone post a link to the Ann Reinking performance? I can't seem to find it on Youtube.
|by Anonymous||reply 60||11/30/2014|
R56 I was thinking the same thing. Collins was a bigger name in 1985 than Williams and Parker jr. Yet they performed their hit songs. Even though Kenny Loggins and Stevie Wonder didn't perform theirs. Wonder was bigger than all of them put together at the time! I don't know wtf they were thinking.
|by Anonymous||reply 62||11/30/2014|
I don't look so bad now, do I?
|by Anonymous||reply 63||11/30/2014|
[quote] I don't look so bad now, do I?
[quote] Alyson Reed
Have you lost the weight?
|by Anonymous||reply 64||11/30/2014|
Yeah, I don't know what the Oscars people were thinking that year. It was, I think, the only time that all 5 nominees were #1 hits, and they had Debbie Allen do Footloose and Ann Reinking do Against All Odds. And Phil Collins wrote the song, so he was a nominee that night.
I don't know why she kept singing "Against all the Odds" when it doesn't fit the music.
|by Anonymous||reply 65||11/30/2014|
OP, don't watch it. I still can't get it out of my mind.
|by Anonymous||reply 66||11/30/2014|
Erm, let's start with the fact that Ann Reinking CANNOT sing.
|by Anonymous||reply 67||11/30/2014|
The panties? Where were the panties?
|by Anonymous||reply 68||11/30/2014|
Doesn't Phil Collins say "against the odds" (you coming back to me is...) in his own version? Besides, she had to put her thumbprint on it, right?
Go watch the clip of Dyan Cannon (!) singing a nominated song and the mike going out on her. That's more of a hoot than this.
|by Anonymous||reply 69||11/30/2014|
[quote]Not quite as bad as Ireland's Linda Martin and her cover version of Daft Punk's "Get Lucky"
LOL! Is this the inspiration for Tracy Ullman's Linda Granger character?
|by Anonymous||reply 70||11/30/2014|
r53 thanks for the link to Nigh of 100 Stars. I haven't thought about that show in years.
For the love of God what was Toukie Smith doing in that parade people? And she wasn't even wearing a design by her brother.
|by Anonymous||reply 71||11/30/2014|
I remember Against All THE Odds as well. We were howling when it was performed.
|by Anonymous||reply 72||11/30/2014|
The night of the Teri Garr debacle I was in the hospital and a couple of friends were visiting. We just looked at each other, stunned. Finally I said, already knowing the answer, "maybe it's SUPPOSED to be funny." We all just shook our heads.
|by Anonymous||reply 73||11/30/2014|
I don't believe that this performance killed Ann Reinking's film career. No, IMHO her film career fizzled out quickly because she couldn't really act. Yes, her BF Fosse got a very good performance out of her in "All That Jazz", but in other films she was a stiff and chilly presence. She was a great dancer, but that was it.
And in R52's clip, the 80s fashions on the red carpet are much more WTF than the opening musical number.
|by Anonymous||reply 74||11/30/2014|
And they got the knives out for me for less than that!
|by Anonymous||reply 75||11/30/2014|
R52 just watched that again and it's actually worse then I remembered. Girl really can't sing, and in theory that should have been much more of a "career killer" then Reinking's performance. And I adore Garr (despite the anti-Garr troll's best efforts), so I'm hardly saying this out of any sort of bias.
Was this the performance where Garr insinuated (in her book) that she caught Lange in the audience giving her the stink-eye? I get confused because her timeline for that book was so fucking all over the place.
|by Anonymous||reply 76||11/30/2014|
Ann's film career ended when she and Herb Allen got a divorce.
|by Anonymous||reply 77||11/30/2014|
R74 I thought she was funny in Micki and Maude and made the most of what was always an underwritten part in Annie. Plus she was just starting out. I think she only would have gotten better had she kept at it.
|by Anonymous||reply 78||11/30/2014|
It's not a great song to begin with.
|by Anonymous||reply 79||11/30/2014|
R79 that's true. Btw, has anyone here actually seen the movie? Because I know no one has ever seen "Buster."
|by Anonymous||reply 80||11/30/2014|
[quote]an underwritten part in Annie.
Did someone say underpants?
|by Anonymous||reply 81||11/30/2014|
r80, "Against All Odds" was a minor hit back in 1984 -- I remember my mom taking me to see it -- besides Jeff Bridges, it had Rachel Ward as the leading lady, just coming off the colossally successful miniseries "The Thorn Birds."
|by Anonymous||reply 82||11/30/2014|
I remember the last shot being a long close-up of Rachel Ward which any actress would envy. But I also remember thinking that she aint Garbo - after a while her face had nothing more to reveal.
|by Anonymous||reply 83||12/01/2014|
I like the Pauline Kael review of Rachel Ward in this movie: "After a while, you walk away thinking 'She's not as pretty as I thought she was.'" (I paraphrase). It really was downhill from there for her.
She married Byron Brown and became an Aussie hausfrau.
|by Anonymous||reply 84||12/01/2014|
It honestly couldn't hold a candle to Rob Lowe's Proud Mary with Snow White, which involved the humiliation of several older stars as well.
|by Anonymous||reply 85||12/01/2014|
"The night of the Teri Garr debacle I was in the hospital and a couple of friends were visiting. "
Funny thing, I've spent an incredible number of Oscar nights in hospitals, as a patient, visitor, volunteer, and worker.
Maybe that's the real "Oscar Curse", R73, at least for some of us.
|by Anonymous||reply 86||12/02/2014|
[quote]Was this the performance where Garr insinuated (in her book) that she caught Lange in the audience giving her the stink-eye? I get confused because her timeline for that book was so fucking all over the place.
Yes, R76. She looked out into the audience and saw Sam Shepard and Jessica Lange "staring smugly" back at her.
|by Anonymous||reply 87||12/02/2014|