Have been catching it on TV Land.
Say what you will...the show was well written and wholesome in an age when most things are not. Why didn't this get more acclaim while it was airing?
Have been catching it on TV Land.
Say what you will...the show was well written and wholesome in an age when most things are not. Why didn't this get more acclaim while it was airing?
|by Anonymous||reply 195||03/19/2015|
Is that the one with the morbidly obese guy in the lead?
|by Anonymous||reply 1||12/04/2011|
Had some pretty gay positive messages, too.
|by Anonymous||reply 2||12/04/2011|
Maybe because it was merely regarded as a spin-off of liked but not necessarily respected Everybody loves Raymond. If the original is just good, it isn't likely that the sloppy second is better. Besides, the premise was a stretch, with him being blue-collar and chunky and her being hot and sexy.
|by Anonymous||reply 3||12/04/2011|
And ... I know I'll get shit for this ... Kevin James has a very handsome face. Even with the extra weight ... still extremely fuckable.
|by Anonymous||reply 4||12/04/2011|
Jerry Stiller's character was brilliant.
|by Anonymous||reply 5||12/04/2011|
It might have gotten more acclaim had it been funny. The problem was that the lead character (Kevin James) was stuck somewhere in adolescence. His wife was the only adult in the house and the other male (Stiller) was demented.
|by Anonymous||reply 6||12/04/2011|
There's no way James's character could have afforded that house on his salary.
|by Anonymous||reply 7||12/05/2011|
What sort of frau aesthetic are you trying to pedal?
An obese, out-of-control, loser liar lazy jerk and his pushy, loudmouth, enraged bitch wife, who has a chronic cheating problem, do each other dirty every episode.
Ha ha ha.
|by Anonymous||reply 8||12/05/2011|
Oh, and by the way, you're too good to capitalize and yet you insist on ellipsis?
|by Anonymous||reply 9||12/05/2011|
Yes R3, spin-offs usually fail, and are inferior to the original show
|by Anonymous||reply 10||12/05/2011|
It kind of got lost in the shuffle of all those 'fat husband/hot wife' shows that were all over TV for awhile. "King of Queens," "According To Jim," "Still Standing," "Yes, Dear."
|by Anonymous||reply 11||12/05/2011|
It's the only average Joe/fat guy with a hot wife sitcom that I can't stand to watch. It had no kids on it, it had Jerry Stiller and Ann Meara, and the main characters would regularly meet their comeuppance.
|by Anonymous||reply 12||12/05/2011|
The pole dance episode is hilarious.
|by Anonymous||reply 13||12/05/2011|
"An obese, out-of-control, loser liar lazy jerk and his pushy, loudmouth, enraged bitch wife, who has a chronic cheating problem, do each other dirty every episode."
Huh, cheating, as in fucking other people?!
Neither of the leads ever cheated on each other. You must have been watching some other show. Carrie NEVER cheated on Doug and he never cheated on her. If eating a burger before dinner is 'cheating', then Doug did that. And Carrie did buy a lot of expensive clothing, I guess that's cheating to you?
The show was brilliantly written, I especially like the friendship between Doug and Deacon and Jerry Stiller was hilarious.
Though there were some glaring errors when Carrie and Kelly, Deacon's wife, attended the wedding of ex of Kelly's who both Kelly and Carrie supposedly attended high school with.
Carrie and Kelly only became friends through Doug working with Deacon at the delivery company, so there was no way Carrie and Kelly attended high school together.
I don't think "The King of Queens" was actually a spin off of "ELR", IIRC, the Doug character showed up on "ELR", after "KOQ" was already being aired.
I didn't watch much of "ELR" because I completed hated the parents and the annoying wife.
|by Anonymous||reply 14||12/05/2011|
I like the one Doug staples his balls at work. Funny shit
|by Anonymous||reply 15||12/05/2011|
R14 is the official King of Queens Troll.
|by Anonymous||reply 16||12/05/2011|
I agree about K James - a example of a chubby guy looking good despite. He wears a good-looking toupee too.
|by Anonymous||reply 17||12/05/2011|
I agree about the pole dancing episode. Hysterical.
The show is always good for a few laughs, but I've always been a fan of Kevin james' stand-up act.
|by Anonymous||reply 18||12/05/2011|
I liked the show. A lot. It was on for 8 years. It was liked by a lot of people. Some of the shows were hilarious. The funniest on was when Carrie got her haircut and realized she looked like Pete Rose. It's a guilty pleasure I admit. Right up there with Reba.
Jerry Stiller's character was incredibly funny. Another great episode was when he slipped his drugs into Doug's drink and went gambling.
|by Anonymous||reply 20||12/05/2011|
[quote]"Wholesome" is not something I look for in a comedy, being as I'm under 70 and not a mom looking for something for my school-aged kids to watch. It doesn't need to be raunchy, but I can handle (and enjoy) adult humor.
It doesn't need to be raunchy but you can handle adult humor? What does that exactly mean, every other sentence should be punctuated with "fuck" and other expletives? Comedy set-ups should entail the husband saying "Are we gonna fuck tonight, honey?" The wife being ultra-horny?
|by Anonymous||reply 21||12/05/2011|
a great show, also liked the George Lopez show-
|by Anonymous||reply 22||12/05/2011|
Why would he not be able to afford the house? It was just a row-type home in a blue collar neighborhood, not a condo in Manhatten. The house was realistic for his type of job.
|by Anonymous||reply 23||12/05/2011|
Are you going to be ok, R21? Is there someone we can call to check on you?
There is a vast middle ground between "wholesome" and "raunchy". "Adult humor" is (read slowly now) humor...for adults, which is usually not the same thing as "wholesome". Most adults seeking entertainment for themselves and their peers (not their kids) are looking for some realism and a frank take on adult issues like sex and relationships. They aren't looking for "wholesome".
Is it the 1950s again or are these posts coming from the retirement home?
|by Anonymous||reply 24||12/05/2011|
Well then r24, why don't you tell us what your idea of a sitcom with "adult humor" is which is also in direct contrast to "King of Queens"
|by Anonymous||reply 25||12/05/2011|
[quote] There's no way James's character could have afforded that house on his salary.
Both he and his wife worked. And do you know much UPS drivers make? Almost $30/hr.
The house was in Queens, not New Rochelle or White Plains.
|by Anonymous||reply 26||12/05/2011|
geez he wasn't "morbidly" obese. Only on DL
|by Anonymous||reply 27||12/05/2011|
Carrie is really obnoxious, similar to Debra in "Raymond", always screaming and nagging. She has good reason, mind you-- her father (Jerry Stiller) has always had a mental problem, and is now deep in dementia; he ruined her life by preventing her from going to college, for one thing. Now she and her husband are stuck caring for him. However, she makes my skin crawl; that's why I didn't watch the series regularly.
|by Anonymous||reply 28||12/05/2011|
I liked that Lou Ferrigno was their next door neighbor; not Lou Ferrigno playing another character, but the actual Lou Ferrigno had moved in on their block, in Queens.
|by Anonymous||reply 29||12/05/2011|
[quote]Carrie and Kelly only became friends through Doug working with Deacon at the delivery company, so there was no way Carrie and Kelly attended high school together.
They could have gone to the same high school but didn't become friends until their husbands became friends.
I agree with R28 Carrie makes my flesh crawl as well and there is no way she's hot, maybe if you chopped off her head.
|by Anonymous||reply 30||12/05/2011|
Loved the show - the only horribly written and beyond formulaic thing about it was that dismal theme song about cashing the paycheck, introduced midway through its run.
|by Anonymous||reply 31||12/05/2011|
I liked the series a lot.. maybe it was bad, but who cares? it made me laugh, I thought it was hilarious.
And I never really did like Everybody Loves Raymond, because the wife was ALWAYS right, and Raymond was always wrong, at least they switched it up a bit in The King Of Queens, and they were not perfect, like the bitchy wife in ELR tried to be. That's why I liked it, they both did stupid things, it wasn't all about the wife yelling at the stupid husband. Carrie did her fair share of things too. Also, I agree, Carrie's dad was hilarious. He made the show.
|by Anonymous||reply 32||12/05/2011|
The King of Queens
Everybody Loves Raymond
According To Jim
The Bob Newhart Show
Funny how all these successful shows using the comic flawed husband vs. the gorgeous voice of reason/straight guy wife formula all come from the same not-so-sucessful prototype.
|by Anonymous||reply 33||12/05/2011|
I liked the Lou storyline too, R29. I don't normally watch shows like this, but I actually enjoyed KOQ.
|by Anonymous||reply 34||12/05/2011|
I thought all the men - except for Arthur and Spence - in that cast were very sexy. From Doug Heffernan to his lookalike cousin (Gary Valentine) to Deacon and - of course - the too soon departed for another show, Richie.
|by Anonymous||reply 35||12/05/2011|
[quote]Besides, the premise was a stretch, with him being blue-collar and chunky and her being hot and sexy.
Yeah, such a comedic formula for failure.
|by Anonymous||reply 36||12/05/2011|
What a disappointment. I thought this thread was going to be about Nathan Lane.
|by Anonymous||reply 37||12/05/2011|
Gary Valentine and Kevin James are brothers in real life. On the show they played cousins.
I really liked the Lou F. character. I also love the chemistry between Doug and Deacon--whatever happened to that actor?
I'm not wild about Jerry Stiller, but his scenes with Doug and Spence are pretty hilarious.
|by Anonymous||reply 38||12/05/2011|
I loved Patton Oswalt on that show.
|by Anonymous||reply 40||12/05/2011|
KoQ was a very well-written and funny show!
|by Anonymous||reply 41||12/05/2011|
[quote]one of the funnier episodes. When Doug and Arthur were getting Carrie drunk every night because she was nicer
Enjoy (if you can swim through the German)
|by Anonymous||reply 42||12/05/2011|
I only caught this show in reruns, and it never captured my interest. It's just not that funny.
|by Anonymous||reply 43||12/05/2011|
FLOVE King of Queens! It's one hilarious show. Kevin James may not be most people's idea of hot, but he has that something about him. And yes, the Pole Dancing episode is hilarious.
|by Anonymous||reply 45||12/05/2011|
r28: Julie Chen
|by Anonymous||reply 46||12/05/2011|
Hate to say, I've been up late night watching reruns of KOQ and Everybody Loves Raymond. I NEVER watched them back in the day.
I like the writing on them both. Raymond is good, his mother is nuts. I like the interracial male bonding on KOQ.
|by Anonymous||reply 47||12/05/2011|
I don't think I ever mad it past the awful theme
|by Anonymous||reply 48||12/05/2011|
"That Scientologist Woman"? Everyone under eighty knows who Leah Remini is.
And you're calling others old?
|by Anonymous||reply 49||12/05/2011|
r3, I have to disagree with just about everything you have said, because it's overloaded with your own personal judgements that have no ground in reality. Raymond was a brilliantly written show - very funny, and tapped into the very real dynamics of a family brimming with their own unique personalities. Not to mention the dynamics of family in general.
And I don't know where you live, but I see stocky everyday schmoes with skinny "hot" girls all the time.
|by Anonymous||reply 50||12/05/2011|
I love how people throw the term "morbidly obese" around. KJ was a big guy, but he wasn't disgusting. He's a very cute guy with a charming litte-boy humour. He never came across as creepy, like Adam Sandler can.
|by Anonymous||reply 51||12/05/2011|
R35 I was a big Richie fan, too. Incredibly hot guy, too bad he was never shirtless on the show (at least I don't remember seeing him shirtless). What show did he go on after KOQ?
|by Anonymous||reply 52||12/05/2011|
I also think Kevin James is quite handsome for a big guy. I think I read somewhere that he is a martial arts expert. Anyone else hear about that?
|by Anonymous||reply 53||12/05/2011|
R14, dear and dumb one. The Mrs. was a cheater in that she was dishonest and lied and couldn't play games without cheating. It was a constant theme that she was dishonest.
Perhaps your tabloid brain could consider that common English words have more than your prurient definitions. You know, the definitions the words primarily mean.
The blizzard of acronyms you spit out makes me fear for your sanity. As does the "brilliantly written" part. Brilliant writing requires theme as well as plot.
|by Anonymous||reply 54||12/05/2011|
I liked this show too, although only began watching when it was in syndication.
They made a few references to the fact that Carrie (who was a secretary in an upscale law firm) paid for more than half the house, and numerous references over the years to the fact that she made more money than Doug.
|by Anonymous||reply 55||12/05/2011|
Rikki Lake as the lesbian sister.
|by Anonymous||reply 56||12/05/2011|
What show did he go on after KOQ?
Larry Romano (no relation to Ray) left the role of Richie in KOQ to play Aldo in Kristin Chinowith's bomb "Kristin," which lasted 11 episodes (I doubt all were shown) and also starred a pre-Ugly Betty Ana Ortiz.
|by Anonymous||reply 57||12/05/2011|
Carrie and Kelly grew up in Queens, where public high schools run 3,000-7,000 students. Plus it's likely black and white students didn't mix oh so much, especially in schools that size.
|by Anonymous||reply 58||12/07/2011|
r32, if you watched ELR regularly, you'll know that Deborah wasn't always right. They called her out on the carpet many times, but the whole point of the show was Raymond's neurotic self-centredness.
One of my favorite shows was when Deborah insisted she didn't have Marie's antique cookie cannister and got an apology out of Marie for thinking Deborah had it. It turned out Deborah did have it (slipped her mind), forcing her to try and sneak it back in Marie's house without Marie never knowing, dragging Ray and Robert in on her scheme. The writers were never blind to Deborah's flaws, but for some reason, people who never really watched the show have labeled it as the "obnoxious, nagging wife and the poor put-upon husband" show.
I stand by my conviction that ELR was one of the most brilliant comedies of the last couple of decades. It tapped into very real dynamics of genuine human relationships.
|by Anonymous||reply 59||12/10/2011|
I have the full series on a dvd box set. There was one or two crossover episodes where ELR cast members were on KOQ.
Originally, Doug was on ELR, but he had a different name, but still the same delivery guy.
I don't really like ELR, but KOQ is a fave.
|by Anonymous||reply 60||12/10/2011|
Not sure I agree with #59; Deb is obnoxious, but Ray is a PITA (he taped over their wedding video with a football game, among other offensive acts in their marriage.) His parents are monsters. I think all this is the show's real appeal. We all have monsters in our families.
BTW, word is Romano is very much like his character on the show. He's made offensive comments about his wife, and cast his producer's wife as Amy without testing her with the other actors or even notifying them in advance.
|by Anonymous||reply 61||12/10/2011|
[quote]BTW, word is Romano is very much like his character on the show. He's made offensive comments about his wife, and cast his producer's wife as Amy without testing her with the other actors or even notifying them in advance.
Duh, the show was based on his stand up. He even has twin boys in real life. As for Monica Horan, she was fantastic and a welcome addition to the cast. She more than held her own.
|by Anonymous||reply 62||12/10/2011|
Absolutely loved this show, Arthur Spooner character was hilarious and loved the Doug and his bitchy wife dynamic. I didn't expect the vast amount of humurlous queens of DL to get it.
|by Anonymous||reply 63||12/10/2011|
Monica Horan was a fantastic addition to the show, and Romano was responsible for much of what made the show worked. It was his vision right up until the end. If you don't like Romano, you won't like the show.
KofQ is more generic - James got his break because of Romano, but used the opportunity well.
I love both shows (ELR being my absolute favorite).
|by Anonymous||reply 64||12/10/2011|
I liked it a lot more before I found out Leah Remini is a Scientologist/friends with J-HO.
|by Anonymous||reply 65||12/10/2011|
I love the show one of my favorites that I never get bored of. Cracks me up! One of my favorite episodes is the thanksgiving one with the one-eyed-porch-psycho. If Arthur had been in it, it would have been even better. I love all the characters too (except Kelly she's not funny to me) which is why it has kept my attention for so long.
|by Anonymous||reply 66||12/10/2011|
Discovered this show in syndication, never saw it first-run on CBS and LOVE IT! Kinda reminds me of "Roseanne" in that it has well written characters and the comedy is character driven. I love Leah Remini and can't believe some of the nasty comments on here. . .she has great timing and is gorgeous. . . love the blonde chick who walks the dog and also Jerry Stiller & Patton! Want to see him in the bad girl movie with Charleze Thereon.
|by Anonymous||reply 67||12/10/2011|
In the real world, a hot chick like her would be married to one of the lawyers in her firm, not a truck driver.
|by Anonymous||reply 68||12/10/2011|
Does anyone think Ray Romano gave up the show because he knew Peter Boyle was dying of cancer? I think Boyle died within a year of the show going off the air. ELR was still high in the ratings when Romano ended it so I always wondered. I can't imagine that show going on without the character of Ray's father Frank, played by Boyle.
P.S. adore TKOQ and I think Kevin James is hot. Back when the show first started he was large but gorgeous.
|by Anonymous||reply 69||12/10/2011|
There was a big difference between the bitchiness of Carrie and Debra. Debra's bitchiness was a blend between being a martyr and a victim. Debra thought she had a right to be a bitch. She earned. Carrie was just a mean. She knew it and so did everyone around her. She owned it. I found her much more fun than Debra.
Debra's bitchiness was leaving your laundry on the floor. Carrie's was shanking you when your back was turned.
|by Anonymous||reply 70||12/10/2011|
I greatly enjoy this show, liked it from the get-go, it really took off in the third season, for me. Kinda petered out a bit by the final truncated ninth season, but yes, the homoerotic subtext of the friendship of Doug and Deacon, I really enjoy that. Safe to say it had a strong ensemble cast, not Mary Tyler Moore strong, but I sure as fuk enjoy it.
|by Anonymous||reply 71||12/11/2011|
[quote]Does anyone think Ray Romano gave up the show because he knew Peter Boyle was dying of cancer?
No, he gave up because it was time. The show ran longer than anyone expected. The first year it was almost canceled a few times. It was when shows were allowed to find an audience and not thrown away after two episodes. Everyone in the last season all were well compensated and the show was firmly in syndication and since Romano co-owned the show, he could stand back and make more than you could imagine by doing nothing.
|by Anonymous||reply 72||12/11/2011|
The best episode is when Doug rents the apartment above the Chinese restaurant ans doesn't tell Carrie because he ended up enjoying his time away from her.
|by Anonymous||reply 73||12/11/2011|
ELR really didn't take off until Debra became a bitch. KOQ hit a stride and stayed there because Carrie and her father were manufactured roles.
|by Anonymous||reply 74||12/11/2011|
Bitter much, R54, simmer down, it's only a TV show!
FYI, EVERYONE on KOQ show was running some type of scam, why call Carrie out on it?
Carrie clearly LOVED Doug and wanted him to be happy. She wanted a better life, was that so wrong? Especially after her father never told her she was accepted at the college she applied for, anyone would be upset and bitter!
Yes, it WAS a BRILLIANT show, it was well acted, well written, always funny AND even a bit off beat! And very gay friendly! Compared to the reality show trash these days, this show was Shakespearean!
"Tabloid brain"? You sound completely deranged. Your assumptions make absolutely no sense.
You are hardly a Rhodes Scholar yourself, doll!
|by Anonymous||reply 75||12/11/2011|
"Carrie and Kelly grew up in Queens, where public high schools run 3,000-7,000 students. Plus it's likely black and white students didn't mix oh so much, especially in schools that size."
It was actually explained on the show that Carrie and Kelly didn't know each other until their husbands met through work.
At their mutual male friend's wedding, a guy who Carrie had fucked, Kelly reveals to Carrie that she also slept with the guy whose wedding they were attending. It was implied that all three of them hung out at school.
On a high school reunion episode, Carrie, Doug and Gary Valentine, his real life brother who played the cousin, as well as Patton Oswalt, were ALL at the same year reunion! It was implied they all went to the same school and graduated the same year. On other episodes, Valentine and Oswalt were supposed to be a few years younger.
|by Anonymous||reply 76||12/11/2011|
[quote]amount of humurlous queens
The AMOUNT of queens? Can you really be THAT illiterate?
|by Anonymous||reply 77||12/11/2011|
I liked the show....not loved. Would tune in on occasion. Thought it was funny; but 'brilliant'? ....
Some of the posters on here that claim to hate the show sure do know in depth characterizations.
|by Anonymous||reply 78||12/11/2011|
Just found this thread-started watching this show recently on tbs-enjoying it greatly-which surprised-and yeah, richie and deacon could tag team my ass for days.
|by Anonymous||reply 79||02/20/2013|
It would have done better is Kevin James had been the size of just one in-shape man.
|by Anonymous||reply 80||02/22/2013|
|by Anonymous||reply 81||02/22/2013|
I disagree, R80. Kevin James is a really attractive guy at any weight. I actually like him a little heavier.
|by Anonymous||reply 82||02/22/2013|
Yeah Carrie was mean and she owned it, they talked about that a lot. One of the other great episodes was 'Furious Gorge" where she wanted him to attend O.A. and instead he was going to a group for people with abusive spouses. And the hair selling one where she got the horrible haircut and sold her hair to pay for a cruise and Doug felt bad that she looked so bad that he stole a wig but didn't know if it would suit Carrie so he and Deacon drew the angry eyes on the wig head to see how Carrie would look. Another great one is the karaoke stalker with Spence and the Christmas that Deacon and Kelly get Doug and Carrie the "portrait" of them where they look horrible, Carrie has a huge arm and Doug has beaver teeth. Almost all of them were good. I have the whole series on dvd too and watch the favorites a lot.
|by Anonymous||reply 83||02/22/2013|
This show was not at all what the title led me to believe. Needless to say, I was QUITE disappointed!
|by Anonymous||reply 84||02/22/2013|
KOQ had a lot of funny episodes, but there's one in particular that was just creepy:
Carrie had to work over night at the law firm for several weeks compiling documents for a big case. Doug does not like sleeping in the bed by himself and ends up having Arthur sleep with him. We were treated to a montage of canoodling and spooning scenes set to the background song "Getting To Know You."
|by Anonymous||reply 85||02/22/2013|
r85 yes, and I think he had to get Arthur drunk each night too and take him out to dinners. The old guy Mickey came over when Doug told Arthur to be in bed later and thought he had walked in on a weird fight between a couple. I love that episode with all the people Carrie is supervising being pains in the ass.
|by Anonymous||reply 86||02/22/2013|
R86, that WAS hilarious. Carrie walks into the office and Nicole Sullivan is imitating her to the other people working on the project. Carrie catches her doing it and fires them ALL, even the night cleaning lady. I actually kind of felt sorry for Carrie but it was still funny as hell.
|by Anonymous||reply 87||02/22/2013|
ha r87 Carrie to the cleaning lady, "Oh you no habla? You habla now honey, you're fired too!" And the girl who worked the night shift because her bf was abusive and she wanted to be somewhere safe at night.
|by Anonymous||reply 88||02/22/2013|
Deacon was incredibly hot.
|by Anonymous||reply 89||02/22/2013|
Anyone else remember the paintball episode?
|by Anonymous||reply 90||02/22/2013|
r90 Yes, that was a good one. Where Kelly and Doug were pissed at Carrie because she let slip that Deacon was hot and Richie was there trying to avoid Stephanie because he slept with her and never called her. I think Eric Roberts was the weird paintball guy that was there. And of course Spence sucked and wasn't even initially invited so he and Danny warred.
|by Anonymous||reply 91||02/22/2013|
I'm always surprised to see some people lump KofQ in with horrible sitcoms.. I thought it was great ands still holds up. It, along with That 70s Show, were 2 of the best network comedies of the 2000s.
I also loved the pole dancing episode and the one where they were stuck at the bed and breakfast with the creepy older couple.
I did like ELR when it first aired, but I noticed that in reruns all the characters are really unlikeable, even the kids. I stopped finding the parents funny and thought they were manipulative and annoying, especially Marie. The couples on both shows did mirror each other. Slacker husbands, bitchy wives. But Carrie was pure evil at times for no reason. I do wonder if Kevin James liked working with Remini. He seems like an easy going guy in real life and she seems exactly like the character she played.
|by Anonymous||reply 92||02/23/2013|
One of my favorite episodes was an earlier one when Doug was sick and fell asleep watching TV and dreamed that he was in The Honeymooners. The cast did a surprisingly touching job portraying Alice and Ralph Kramden and Norton. Kevin and Leah were quite believable as Jackie Gleason and Audrey Meadows. And the actor who played Deacon was a funny Norton. He had the mannerisms down! Since the King of Queens was based upon The Honeymooners, to an extent (a modern day version, of sorts, as told by Kevin James), the tribute was touching. They really got it right.
|by Anonymous||reply 93||02/23/2013|
Nicolle Sullivan is always funny. I wish she would be more famous. From "Mad TV" to "KoQ" to "Shit My Father Says," and "Rita Rocks" she always is at the top of her form.
KoQ is not a spin off of ELR. You're confused because originally Kevin James played ANOTHER character on ELR named Kevin. He was one of Ray's buddies.
This lead to Kevin James getting his own show, the King of Queens. THEN they had Kevin James make a guest appearance on ELR as his King of Queens character.
After that the characters on the shows crossed over a few times.
A great crossover episode was when Ray's mother went over to Carrie's house to pick Ray up. Doug and Ray had been golfing.
Ray's mother looks at the dust and makes a comment. This is the difference between Debra and Carrie. Whereas Debra would've got upset, Carrie uses it to her advantage, by asking Ray's mother to show her how to do it. Then makes a weak attempt to do it. After which Ray's mother again shows her, and before long, Ray's mother is cleaning the house, while Carrie is on the couch reading.
|by Anonymous||reply 94||02/23/2013|
I watch that show only because of Jerry Stiller. There's nothingh wrong with the rest of the show but he is amazing on this show."I beg your pardon, could you direct me to the Whisk"?
|by Anonymous||reply 95||02/23/2013|
ha r95 that was a good one, not allowed to drive or use the whisk. The demented old circus monkey was good too and him almost marrying Lanie Kazan and finally realizing she thought he was gay..cut to flashbacks of him in a leather bar and him practicing dance numbers with her. He is awesome.
|by Anonymous||reply 96||02/23/2013|
Carrie's mother was Mrs Brady.
But her sister disappeared. Just like she mysteriously appeared when Kristy McNichol went nuts. And then she left as quick as she came on that show too.
|by Anonymous||reply 97||02/23/2013|
No, r97, Mrs. Brady was her stepmother. Arthur was married a bunch of times after Carrie's mother died.
Another great episode was the thanksgiving one, which was set entirely in the supermarket the day before. That was one thing that changed from the beginning. Carrie didn't like cooking and was bad at it. At some point it changed to where she was always cooking. Another great episode was when Carrie played the wife in the model home and the family eventually fired her.
|by Anonymous||reply 98||02/23/2013|
I became a late fan of KOQ too. I began watching it several years ago in syndication and it's become one of my favorite shows. Kevin is hilarious (and sexy for a big guy), and Jerry Stiller's Arthur is just great. I consider him the male Sophia Petrillo. Carrie is a bit of a bully sometimes, but she balances Doug's childishness. The secondary characters are also well-written and add to the show.
The Pole Dance episode is hilarious, as is the one where Doug and Carrie go on a ski trip and the lunatics there try to make them buy a time share. LOL!
|by Anonymous||reply 99||02/23/2013|
[quote]Carrie makes my flesh crawl
Leah Remini was awesome! Carrie was my favorite character on this show—by far. She was so butch!
|by Anonymous||reply 100||02/23/2013|
That buns not working for you girlfriend. LOL
KOQ stands the test of times better than any other show of that time. I think it even outdoes Friends. Arthur is the best.
One of the best episodes is the Valentines Day episode. They show Carrie's, Doug's, and Arthur's day. Doug's is the best. He has to spend it with Spence's mother. Whoever that lady was should have had more appearances.
Other great episodes are when Carrie hands over the responsibility of Arthur to Doug. Arthur drugs him and goes gambling. Arthur tries to correct all the damage he's done to Carrie by contacting all these people from the past. Arthur and Doug start getting Carrie drunk every night because she's not so mean drunk. Arthur's dinner party with a gay Hal Linden. Spence and Danny pretending to be a gay couple to get a plasma TV. "If it takes a little gay bashing to get free TV then you're going to get a little gay bashing." It was funny in the context of the show.
The one best moment from the show though
At the time of watching three sitcoms I liked I would have ranked them: 1. Friends 2. ELR and 3. KOQ.
Watching them in repeats KOQ stands the test of time the best. Arthur has a great deal to do with that.
Carrie owning her rottenness and not really caring to change also goes a long way.
Here's the Spence's mom part.
|by Anonymous||reply 101||02/23/2013|
forgot the moment...the best moment was when Carrie realized she looked like Pete Rose.
|by Anonymous||reply 102||02/23/2013|
I also loved the episode where Kevin/Deacon/Spence and Kelvin's brother are on a road trip to stop Spencer's true love from marrying another. On the way they stop by Deacon's estranged father's house to ask for money and.....hilarity ensues!
|by Anonymous||reply 103||02/23/2013|
Loved how Anne Meara (Jerry Stiller's wife of over 50 years) was used for multiple roles in the show, finally settling in as the second actress to play Spence's Mom.
Another actor who was used quite a bit in different roles was Latin musician, actor and all-around Bronx hottie Angelo Pagan, who also happens to be Leah Remini's husband.
Nepotism was very much alive and well in that show, just like it was in its mentor show (ELR) and in shows like Mary Tyler Moore, where Valerie Harper's husband was the local bit player.
|by Anonymous||reply 104||02/23/2013|
[quote]I don't think I ever mad it past the awful theme
If you're referring to that abomination about cashing the check and "getting right home to you" - yes, it was dismal. But it may relieve you to know that those lyrics were added a few seasons into the show, whose original theme song was a brief instrumental interlude, a la Seinfeld.
Roseanne also ruined her bluegrass theme song with silly lyrics there towards the end.
[quote] I can't imagine that show going on without the character of Ray's father Frank, played by Boyle.
You make an interesting point. It wouldn't have been the same show had they been forced to do a memorial, like they did for Mr. Hooper on Sesame Street, Coach on Cheers, John Ritter on 8 whatever whatever, or Hartman in NewsRadio.
Aside from the fact that it's a double edged sword that can cut both ways and go either way(the last two shows I mentioned did not survive their actors' demise, bringing audiences down), it just doesn't seem like the kind of thing Romano would do. With a few exceptions, he is not known for or successful with sentimental, schmaltzy stuff. His most recent TV project proved that. It explored the comedian's more serious, sensitive side and flopped.
Boyle was an ace at the one-liners, though he was no Dame Maggie Smith. He delivered all his zingers in the same monotone style, which became funny in itself, but was not considered so much a comedic skill as the monotone styles of, say, Lilith in Cheers or Sheldon and Amy Farrah on Big Bang Theory (because those fit their characters, whereas Boyle's character was a very temperamental guy who would then slam on the breaks for his punch lines).
Boyle was the only member of that very gifted MAIN cast not to win an Emmy for ELR (but shed no tears, he had two from other previous TV performances).
|by Anonymous||reply 105||02/23/2013|
Doug and Deacon were not the only ones carrying a homoerotic subtext affair.
|by Anonymous||reply 106||02/23/2013|
[quote]Deacon and Kelly get Doug and Carrie the "portrait" of them where they look horrible
I can safely say that episode was one of the longest laughs I've ever had with a sitcom. After seeing that portrait (Carrie's arm, which only got bigger with every replacement portrait) I was not just laughing, but coughing, hacking and fighting for my breath well into commercials, Don't know why but I was.
The episode with the creepy B&B couple, the tub as a turkey defroster, and Marmalade the Cat, was also VERY funny.
If I ever run into those I stop channel surfing and settle in for a good chuckle.
Or any episode with Richie and Danny sitting together in the couch (in which case I whip out the lube).
|by Anonymous||reply 107||02/23/2013|
r107 "Doug, that picture is freaking me out, the eyes follow me everywhere..
"Well just poke 'em out with your giant fingers!"
|by Anonymous||reply 108||02/23/2013|
LOL r108. Please don't start because I'll be choking myself soon.
|by Anonymous||reply 109||02/23/2013|
Spense always seemed gay to me anyway (as does Patton Oswalt).
|by Anonymous||reply 110||02/23/2013|
I "literally" like the episode where Carry uses Janeane Garofalo for her shopping discount. They both hate her with a passion. She walks in on them make fun of her voicemail message.
|by Anonymous||reply 111||02/23/2013|
|by Anonymous||reply 112||02/23/2013|
r112 Aww, thanks for posting that. I can't find that dvd in my box set and am mad because I miss that one, and it also has the one with Carrie with her Pete Rose haircut. Remember when Carrie told Doug he never complimented her and he said that he had just given her a compliment the week before. She said, "What you mean, when you told me I would make a good-looking dude?" And he said, "Yeah, you get a haircut and a denim jacket and you definitely would have a Ralph Macchio thing going on." That was so funny because then she did get that haircut.
|by Anonymous||reply 113||02/23/2013|
Portrait brought back all the laughter r112, Thanks for finding and posting
|by Anonymous||reply 114||02/23/2013|
r11 It took me a minute to get the "literally" thing, at first I was thinking, of course you literally like it, you wrote about it. And then I remembered..good one. She gained and lost 100 pounds and then screwed up her kidneys from all the pressure of Doug's break-up. I like the end when she's at the movies and Spence tries to get her to share her empanadas and she gets mad. I love this thread. Like Arthur loves his Salty-O's..
|by Anonymous||reply 115||02/23/2013|
"Arthur Spooner is back in the ribbon game, and this time he's going straight to the source! think about it, who wears ribbons in their hair? Little girls. And where do you find little girls? In the schoolyard. So I go to the schools and lure the little girls over to me with a sweet treat and then show them my wares.."
|by Anonymous||reply 116||02/23/2013|
So we ate a little tub turkey, let's try to get past it.
|by Anonymous||reply 117||02/23/2013|
Doug, you found Marmalade! Someone's earned himself a turkey salad sandwich!
|by Anonymous||reply 118||02/23/2013|
I have always wanted to service Kevin James! Would love to see him naked .
|by Anonymous||reply 119||02/23/2013|
I love the one where Arthur is convinced that Lou Ferrigno is the neighborhood gossip.
|by Anonymous||reply 120||02/23/2013|
I love the Lou ones r120! Remember when Arthur wrote that horrible movie script d for Lou where all the characters were named Smitty Smitty or something? Lou was great on it. And when Lou got Carrie hooked on the tanning cream and Doug called her Seal?
|by Anonymous||reply 121||02/23/2013|
It made me glad to see this brief resurrection of an old thread. One of the best full ensemble episodes was the Thanksgiving dinner when Carrie was so proud of cooking for 10, and the eyepatch guy spends most of the episode on the front porch.
|by Anonymous||reply 122||03/03/2013|
can't get past why a beautiful sexy hottie woman would be with, much less marry, an immature fatty. not believeable at all.
|by Anonymous||reply 123||03/03/2013|
Because r123 Carrie is hot but she's a bitch. Most people would put up with a good-natured overweight guy than a flaming bitch like Carrie. They both know their limitations and that's why it works for them. It's a great show.
|by Anonymous||reply 124||03/03/2013|
In my lifetime, I've been exposed to two episodes: a really early one and one of the last ones, which seemed to have a lot of drama.
Did it travel a Roseanne-esque path from beginning to end?
|by Anonymous||reply 125||03/03/2013|
No r125, it was always pretty good. Some semi-crazy things happened only on the finale episodes. I have the box set so have seen them all many times but still watch when it's on TBS or TV land, you should too.
|by Anonymous||reply 126||03/03/2013|
Bullcrap. No one would choose an overweight guy who walks around in sweats all day cuz he's a nice guy and "good natured". Most people(especially bitchy gay guys) will opt for a hot, unattainable jerk before an overweight nice soft doughboy. Carrie is not the garden variety "bitch", she's loveable and her hotness cancels out her character flaws. There's a difference between being bitchy and picky and desperate. This good natured guy is like a giant needy dog. He presents nothing that would be appealing to a hot woman like Carrie..for marriage or for procreating. Sad but true.
|by Anonymous||reply 127||03/03/2013|
Are you 90? And/or do you proudly hail from Idaho (or one of those other bleak states whose name begins with a vowel)? WTF are you doing on DL?
|by Anonymous||reply 128||03/04/2013|
That is a good one R122. Eye patch guy was Parks & Recs' Ron Swanson.
|by Anonymous||reply 129||03/04/2013|
I love how subversive this show is like the episode where Doug convinces Carrie to date a cop so she can get out of a speeding ticket. Doesn't he end up picking out her outfits for her date? Too funny.
|by Anonymous||reply 130||03/04/2013|
"I love how subversive this show is like the episode where Doug convinces Carrie to date a cop so she can get out of a speeding ticket. Doesn't he end up picking out her outfits for her date? Too funny."
One dolt here keeps calling Carrie unscrupulous and a "cheater"! What a joke. Carrie dating the cop to get out of a ticket was one example of Doug scamming, and using his own wife, to get out of a situation, it wasn't always Carrie scamming.
As I posted previously, pretty much nearly EVERY character was running some type of scam to get something for free or to benefit/help themselves.
The episode with Arthur trying to sell a burial plot to Spence's mom was hilarious. He's all set to sell it to her, until an attractive woman from his old age community center offers to buy it.
Another fave episode was Doug and Deacon hanging out with Arthur while they were on strike, that was hilarious.
Let's not forget the 'Doug Heffernan" mistaken identity phone call with a woman who had a quickie with 'Doug" in the Hamptons, or Fire Island, which leads to more hilarity.
I still watch KOQ, it still makes me laugh out loud.
|by Anonymous||reply 131||03/04/2013|
The episode that has me rolling on the floor is the one where Doug rents the apartment above the Chinese restaurant.
I liked Rikki Lake as his sister. They should have used her more.
|by Anonymous||reply 132||03/04/2013|
Jerry Stiller is amazing. He went right from Seinfeld to KOQ, both long running shows. How may actors, much less an elderly one, get that kind of opportunity?
|by Anonymous||reply 133||03/04/2013|
It helps to have friends, r133
|by Anonymous||reply 134||03/04/2013|
r131 I know exactly what that poster is talking about since I have seen all of the eps tons of times. He's talking about the family game night episode where Carrie cheats at the board games with their friends. Doug sees her and is disgusted so she admits to the friends about cheating and they all forgive her but she then cheats again. It is revealed in flashbacks that she used to be ridiculed by Arthur when they played games together so she started cheating to avoid his wrath. It was a funny episode and not a big deal at all. It was never implied that she cheated again.
|by Anonymous||reply 135||03/04/2013|
DOES HE TOUCH YOU??!!
|by Anonymous||reply 136||03/04/2013|
Because I really enjoy and actually kind of love this show, little things become noted and become additional reasons for liking KOQ so much, i.e. Arthur never once calls Doug anything but "Douglas". No biggie but I love the consistency of that, and it is so "Arthur" that he is almost the only character who does not call this loveable chubster "Doug".
|by Anonymous||reply 137||03/04/2013|
r137 remember the ball stapling one where Doug calls to get his insurance info? Arthur answers and doesn't acknowledge that he knows Doug until he says he is Douglas. Very funny.
|by Anonymous||reply 138||03/04/2013|
LOL I like the one where Doug and Deacon are hanging out with Arthur while on strike too.
Arthur: "I believe there's that little bit of unfinished business with the Pakistani family down the street."
But I just checked in to say that Lou Ferrigno aged REALLY, REALLY, REALLY well. Yeah the suntan lotion episode is on now.
The biggest reason Carrie stays with Dough is she is used to being the absolute control freak in any kind of situation in life. She's allowed that with Doug.
|by Anonymous||reply 139||03/07/2013|
And whoever thought of the dog walker running gag for Arthur was a genius.
|by Anonymous||reply 140||03/07/2013|
Doug buying the stripper pole for Carrie
|by Anonymous||reply 141||03/07/2013|
When a show is renewed for 8 years while much better shows struggle to last 1 season, I would say that is all the "acclaim" it should hope for.
|by Anonymous||reply 142||03/07/2013|
Judge Reinhold plays the gynocologist that all the women want for their doctor.
Deacon: "He's the vagina whisperer."
(at the time, "(fill-in-the-blank) whisperer" wasn't the cliche it is now)
|by Anonymous||reply 143||03/07/2013|
Glad to see the love for this show. KOQ could never be clumped together with the rest of the fat husband and hot wife sitcoms that were all over the place at that time.
Alot of the episodes were written and directed by women.Might explain the quality of the show.
I think Jerry Stiller may have been funnier in KOQ than he was in Seinfeld.
Kevin James is also a pretty funny physical comic.The paintball episode were he he is stumbling and falling down all over the place is hysterical.
|by Anonymous||reply 144||03/07/2013|
You know what's better? Kings & Queen
|by Anonymous||reply 145||03/07/2013|
haha, love this show!
|by Anonymous||reply 146||03/07/2013|
I'm surprised so many people love Arthur, my uncle and brother included, I found him annoying most of the time. Loved him on Seinfeld though.
|by Anonymous||reply 147||03/08/2013|
I have only seen a few episodes but I remember one with Jerry Stiller where they installed a camera downstairs on his character and Doug and his friends got hooked on watching him, it was like their own reality tv show.
|by Anonymous||reply 148||03/08/2013|
Love the episode when Deacon and Kelly had to babysit Aurthur because Doug and Carrie where always babysitting their kids. Another good episode is when Carrie didn't realise that the sentimental (you didn't just save my life you made my life worth living )words Doug said to her where actually from a movie and said to a monkey....in fact I love every single episode of KOQ didn't much care for ELR
|by Anonymous||reply 149||04/17/2013|
This is one of these "under the radar" shows that is simply brilliant. Jerry Stiller, Patton Oswaldt and the lead actors were hilarious in every episode. The show didn't try to be pretentious. It's the modern day version of the classic television sitcom The Honeymooners.
|by Anonymous||reply 150||12/30/2013|
While I appreciated the supporting cast, Leah Remini always came across as a royal bitch. Couldn't stand her.
|by Anonymous||reply 151||12/30/2013|
Loved that show, and I'm sorry the first year or so, I would have dropped my panties for Kevin James in a second! In fact that was about the time I realized that I was no longer a shallow bitch boy, and actually that a personality was even better to have than a six pack
I will admit , you have a hard time finding his cock (unles is really is a monster cock) now.
Sorry - Kev - Love you though
|by Anonymous||reply 152||12/30/2013|
I loved this show. I thought it was very funny.
|by Anonymous||reply 153||12/30/2013|
That's a great one, R139. Arthur (to an unseen stranger walking down the street): "Vivian Vance called! She wants her pant suit back!" I also loved each of the characters' chemistry with Lou Ferrigno, Doug and Carrie's respective wickedness, and the entire ensemble. One of my favorite shows.
|by Anonymous||reply 154||12/30/2013|
I like it better than that other very hetero show, "..Raymond". KJ is way more attractive.
|by Anonymous||reply 155||12/30/2013|
I just saw an episode of the show today, and it was a great episode, very gay inclusive. It was funny without using the typical gay stereotype.
|by Anonymous||reply 156||12/30/2013|
that shows always makes me laugh. Kevin James and Leah Remini had great chemistry on set.
|by Anonymous||reply 157||02/19/2014|
I wanted Deacon in me, quite deeply.
|by Anonymous||reply 158||02/19/2014|
they were all robbed of Emmy's.
|by Anonymous||reply 159||02/19/2014|
why do you think the show was snubbed at the Emmys? it's so much better than Everybody loves Raymond. I don't get it
|by Anonymous||reply 160||02/19/2014|
they have reruns at 11pm every night. I love that show
|by Anonymous||reply 161||02/25/2014|
[quote]When a show is renewed for 8 years while much better shows struggle to last 1 season, I would say that is all the "acclaim" it should hope for.
It had loads of mainstream success, but it was underrated by critics and comedy nerds.
|by Anonymous||reply 162||02/25/2014|
Love the episode where Doug and Carrie sneak off to New Orleans. Doug throwing Carrie's cell phone when they're standing in front of the Dixieland band is hysterical.
Also love the one where Doug thinks he's taking Carrie to a mountain resort that they've been to together. They get lost with no cell service and Doug can't remember the name of the resort to call for help. He asks Carrie and finds out he brought another woman there, not Carrie.
For some reason, sitcoms always get serious which presages their demise. Carrie and Doug trying to have a baby, getting pregnant, and then miscarrying should not have happened but they did end well. They adopt and then she finds out she's pregnant. I know Leah was having fertility problems but don't know if that was written into the show.
|by Anonymous||reply 163||02/25/2014|
I like the one when D gets a staple in the nuts
|by Anonymous||reply 164||02/25/2014|
I never watched it when it was on originally. But the shows I have seen since it has been in syndication have been hilarious. I'm not much for sitcoms in general, but this was definitely one of the better ones.
|by Anonymous||reply 165||02/25/2014|
I loved it when Leah would go on the Don and Mike show.
|by Anonymous||reply 166||02/25/2014|
what is Tv Land's the exes?
|by Anonymous||reply 168||02/25/2014|
R168? A waste of time if you ask me. Not really funny at all.
Three bachelors sharing a 3 bedroom apartment allegedly because their ex-wives took them to the cleaners and they have no money?
|by Anonymous||reply 169||03/06/2014|
cannot stand this show. REmini and James are obnoxious and remind me of the people I grew up around. Take it off the air please.
|by Anonymous||reply 170||03/06/2014|
Just saw the episode where Douglass tricks Arthur into craving the fatty, comfort food that UPS man wants.
I want pizza
I want cheesesteak
I want to try the new Chinese place down the street.
Show was definitely underrated.
I like every single person on it.
|by Anonymous||reply 171||09/28/2014|
Deacon was so sexy.
|by Anonymous||reply 172||09/28/2014|
[quote]The house was in Queens, not New [...] or White Plains.
Are we still unable to write the word Rochelle?
|by Anonymous||reply 173||10/01/2014|
For a big man, Kevin James is attractive.
|by Anonymous||reply 174||10/01/2014|
I didn't watch it because Leah Remini is a Scientologist. Now that she's left the cult maybe I'll give it a go.
|by Anonymous||reply 175||10/01/2014|
Isn't Leah an ex-Sciento?
|by Anonymous||reply 176||10/01/2014|
R119 - I am in agreement. I don't enjoy the show, but I would welcome Kevin James to pin me down in my bed.
|by Anonymous||reply 177||10/01/2014|
Loved the show and everyone on it but they got rid of the funniest character way to soon. Well they didn't get rid of her they recast her. Spence's original mom was the funniest thing. Especially when she had the birthday party for him.
The original was played by Grace Zabriskie. Then they hired the unfunny Anne Meara. Who has NEVER been funny in anything.
|by Anonymous||reply 178||10/01/2014|
Sorry it was a Valentines day party she threw for Spence.
|by Anonymous||reply 179||10/01/2014|
Sadly, they're not running it on TVLand at 10:00p anymore. Some crap called The Exes is on now.
|by Anonymous||reply 180||10/01/2014|
The only thing wrong with the show was the opening theme.
|by Anonymous||reply 181||10/01/2014|
Reposting r177's link
|by Anonymous||reply 182||10/01/2014|
The suspense is killing me. What is the word in r73 that we're not allowed to write?
|by Anonymous||reply 183||10/01/2014|
Thanks, R182. It's not the first time that I've made that error.
He really does work me up when he's looking solid.
|by Anonymous||reply 184||10/02/2014|
[quote]You make an interesting point. It wouldn't have been the same show had they been forced to do a memorial, like they did for Mr. Hooper on Sesame Street, Coach on Cheers, John Ritter on 8 whatever whatever, or Hartman in NewsRadio.
Everyone wants the shows to do memorials, but they are sad and awkward for the most part.
I saw the one for John Ritter and there is no laugh track. Some points were sad and real, but others seemed forced (mostly the "what a good guy he was" speeches.)
The one that was interesting was Suddenly Susan's, that was growing more surreal with each moment and then ended with the telephone ring.
|by Anonymous||reply 185||10/02/2014|
Add me as another who thinks Kevin James is cute. And he seems like a nice guy too.
|by Anonymous||reply 186||10/02/2014|
Why do we have to sit so close to the kitchen? Is it because we're black?
|by Anonymous||reply 187||10/03/2014|
Becker was a better show than either of these.
|by Anonymous||reply 188||03/16/2015|
R188 = Ted Danson
|by Anonymous||reply 189||03/16/2015|
|by Anonymous||reply 190||03/16/2015|
I watch this show in the NYC Metro are on TV10/55 and again on whatever other channel it comes on. I don't remember watching it in its original airings. I do enjoy it though. I just watched the one where Carrie and Doug were supposed to be working out with Lou Ferrigno to lose weight. Carrie was going through the workouts and losing weight. With Doug, Lou was playing video games and Doug was eating sandwiches and drinking beer.
|by Anonymous||reply 191||03/16/2015|
Kevin James is the one fat guy I can conceive of myself getting it on with.
|by Anonymous||reply 192||03/16/2015|
I like the one where Carrie sent him to Fatties Autonomous (Or something like that) and he goes to the wrong class and winds up in Abused Husband's Autonomous (Or something like that).
Then Carrie finds out and confronts him in class. "Did he tell you that he was FAT when I met him?"
Another excellent episode was when Doug who was now 40 was too stupid too realize his dog who he had in 1976 could not possibly still be alive.
And also Becker was much better than this, but this was good too.
|by Anonymous||reply 193||03/16/2015|
I never watched it in its original run either. I'm surprised at the wide range of people who like the show. I brought it up at work when we were talking about our guilty pleasures. Everyone agreed they liked it. Especially Arthur. If you could see the people I work with, intellectual snobs, you would be as shocked as I was.
|by Anonymous||reply 194||03/19/2015|
What I like is the fantastic range that Jerry Stiller brings to every character he plays!
|by Anonymous||reply 195||03/19/2015|