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Winston-Salem, NC

What's it like, you cosmopolitan DLers?

by Anonymousreply 12408/04/2017

Is it more country or city? Rep or Dem?

by Anonymousreply 103/26/2011

OP, I live in Charlotte which is about an hour and a half away so here is my take.

Pros - Housing is very affordable and space is plenty, cost of living is very affordable, pace of life is much slower. People are very polite and nice. There are very good jobs available in the Research Triangle.

Cons - Gay scene not that great but better around the colleges known as the Triangle are, pay is less, still pretty republican but changing slightly, pace of life is slower. Remember this is still the south so you will encounter some attitudes that you thought went out with the hoop skirt.

Its a good place if you are partnered with children and want to raise them away from a huge city. I love my house and my space and am able to appreciate life better. Also people are not as focused on how you look like in CA or NY. If you like to go out a lot, i dont know if you will like it.

by Anonymousreply 203/26/2011

Thanks, I think even the disadvantages appeal to me and my circumstances. I plan to go there for a weekend to check it out.

by Anonymousreply 303/26/2011

R2, Winston-Salem is not part of the RTP area. Winston-Salem is about 1.5 hours from RTP.

OP, Winston-Salem is a city of about 150,000 people. It's quite conservative, although there's a very active arts scene. There are the usual number of gay people for a city of its size, but there's not much of a gay scene at all.

There's a LOT of money in W-S. It was once home to Reynolds Tobacco, Hanes, and some other manufacturing heavy-hitters. The manufacturing sector has fallen on bad times, but the residual money is still around. The Buena Vista neighborhood has some lovely homes that any city would be proud of.

What else would you like to know?

by Anonymousreply 403/26/2011

Thanks for the correction R4. You are right, I was being too general about the area. Winston Salem is not part of the RTP area. Also an excellent point about it being an old tobacco town. If you don't go to Winston then definitely check out the RTP area.

Another bonus about NC is that you are about 4 hours from the beach or 4 hours from the mountains depending on where you live. The seasons are lovely, and the land is beautiful.

Good Luck OP

by Anonymousreply 503/26/2011

I spent two weeks teaching and working at Wake-Forrest last summer. My impressions as a travelling gay:

nice laid-back place, historical in parts and accomodating in others. Quirky details gce the area color, but mainly it appeared to be a quiet college town with a very historic center near old Salem road. Hunky football players were pleasant eyecandy bitnitger than that about as plainly ungay as possible without being oppressive.

by Anonymousreply 603/26/2011

You can pretty much expect a much more laid back atmosphere anywhere you go in NC except for the larger cities, and even in those you will not likely encounter too much of a rapid way of life. You will encounter a segment of the gay/lesbian scene that is a little more on the side of conservatism and focuses on events within local churches. Yes indeed, like any other place in the world, you'll encounter haters, but you'll mostly encounter people who couldn't give 2 cents about your sexual orientation. As already mentioned, your professional industry may pay less, however it reflects the cost of living which is markedly less than major cities.

by Anonymousreply 703/26/2011

r2 Winston-Salem is part of the Triad, not the Research Triangle Park.

Are you sure you're from North Carolina and not North Dakota? Anyone living in NC would know the distinctions between the Triangle and the Triad.

by Anonymousreply 803/26/2011

Did you know there is a restaurant in suburban Winston called Butt Brothers?

by Anonymousreply 901/08/2013

Saw a HOT escort there a year or so ago. Worth the move just for him.

by Anonymousreply 1001/08/2013

I visited there years ago and sort of liked the Salem part--it was founded by northern Moravians from Pennsylvania and kind of reminded me of Williamsburg, Virginia. The two cities got cigarette brands named after them--a dubious distinction.

by Anonymousreply 1101/08/2013

Lucky you, r2. I love Charlotte. Such a gorgeous Southern city. North Carolina is beautiful. I wouldn't mind moving there if it wasn't so far away from my family.

by Anonymousreply 1201/08/2013

It's full of smokers.

by Anonymousreply 1301/09/2013

Sales rep here who is in Winston at least twice a week. Nice little city. Close to Greensboro. There is pretty much everything you need close by. Most of the industry moved out. LOTS of old people. You see tons of Cadillacs and Buicks. Greensboro is much more interesting for people under 65. Basically Winston Salem is dying away.

by Anonymousreply 1401/09/2013

Greensboro is no big recommendation either. If you are living in NC it should either be the triangle, Charlotte or Asheville.

by Anonymousreply 1501/09/2013

Cosmopolites are not familiar with Winston-Salem.

by Anonymousreply 1601/09/2013

I lived there for about five years. It is a nice small town with a larger gay scene than most cities its size. It also has a thriving art scene. And, it is a very pretty town, in my opinion. The negatives are that it is still a small southern city, which means (as stated above) the majority of the population is conservative and RELIGIOUS!

by Anonymousreply 1701/09/2013

It is not a small town, it has over 200,000 people within the city limits. That is not a small town. A small city maybe, but definitely not a small town. Also, it has a very nice downtown with an Arts District and a growing number of condos. Its downtown is much livelier and nicer than Greensboro's. Greensboro is known in NC as "Greensboring."

by Anonymousreply 1801/09/2013

Do they have AIDS?

by Anonymousreply 1901/09/2013

ok... excuse me R18... Winston is a nice small city... which feels like a small town.

by Anonymousreply 2001/09/2013

Winston-Salem's downtown was ranked second in the country by a website devoted to celebrating cities.

The website,, bestowed the ranking because of Old Salem, according to the site.

"Winston-Salem's downtown works a little like magic," the site reads. "Once you step into the historic district of Old Salem, you may as well have stepped back into 1772."

Indianapolis won the title of best downtown on the site.

The site's staff considered a downtown's entertainment options, its planning, architecture and green spaces.

"These downtowns are well thought out, walkable and easy to navigate," the site reads. "There's a range of flavors to be found in upscale eateries and casual cafés, while indie theaters, glossy off-Broadway productions and family-friendly museums offer residents and visitors endless ways to spend their days. Buildings that have stood the test of time or showcase the edge of modern architecture add to the appeal, with parks and open spaces allowing a break from the city scene."

The site is owned by a company called Journal Communications, which was co-founded by Alex Haley, author of "Roots." is "a resource of more than 500 of America's best places to live, work, play, explore and belong."

"The best places to live aren't always the biggest ones," the website reads. "You won't find New York City, Chicago or San Francisco on We're all about the great places in between the big cities."

by Anonymousreply 2101/09/2013

[quote]The website,, bestowed the ranking because of Old Salem

But Old Salem is an historic site. Very few people actually live there. And as for entertainment options, they are mostly nil because it doesn't fit in with the 18th century character of the site.

by Anonymousreply 2201/09/2013

[quote]I spent two weeks teaching and working at Wake-Forrest last summer.

Apparently two weeks was not enough time to learn how to spell Wake Forest.

by Anonymousreply 2301/09/2013

What are winters like in Asheville? Does it snow all winter long?

by Anonymousreply 2401/09/2013

R24, it snows in Ashevillle, but not all winter. Some winters are mild, others severe. It can snow deep into April in western North Carolina.

by Anonymousreply 2501/09/2013

Maya Angelous lives in W-S.

by Anonymousreply 2601/09/2013

Winston-Salem has a nice skyline. Greensboro barely has any tall buildings.

by Anonymousreply 2701/09/2013

I would agree with R17. Additionally, Reynolds is almost gone & the remaining main industry (aside from WF)- banking - was very hard hit about the housing crisis & the purchase of Wachovia. When I worked there 4 years ago,it was assumed that Wells Fargo would eventually consolidate their NC presence to Charlotte and leave WS. It is beautiful, but you have to drive to Raleigh or Charlotte for shopping and it's full of BAPTISTS which are the worst kind of conservative republicans (next to evangelicals, of course)

by Anonymousreply 2801/09/2013

Winston is very beautiful with its rolling foothills and mountains nearby. It has very robust four seasons.

by Anonymousreply 2901/09/2013

Winston-Salem is where Wachovia started. It is also the headquarters for BB&T, Krispy Kreme, and RJ Reynolds. It has a big medical presence with Wake Forest's Boman Grey School of Medicine there and medical laboratories.

by Anonymousreply 3001/10/2013

Don't forget the giant coffee pot! Can't see one of those just any where. Also home to many Moravians

by Anonymousreply 3101/10/2013

Are there good hospitals in Asheville? Any good gay doctors there?

by Anonymousreply 3201/10/2013

Yes, Wachovia is so named because of the large German-Moravian roots in Winston. Also, Moravian cookies are a big plus to W-S.

by Anonymousreply 3301/10/2013

neat skyline

by Anonymousreply 3401/10/2013

Winston-Salem from Pilot Mountain

by Anonymousreply 3501/10/2013

The Reynolds Building is a mini Empire State Building. It was designed by the same firm and built just before the Empire State.

by Anonymousreply 3601/10/2013

R32 Mission Hospital in Asheville is not bad. Growing rapidly and buying doctor practices all over the city. Good nursing care, but have your affairs in order just in case.

by Anonymousreply 3701/10/2013

The domed Wells Fargo tower is very pressure.

by Anonymousreply 3801/10/2013

Is very pretty, I meant.

by Anonymousreply 3901/12/2013

W-S is a very beautiful, laid back city. Lots of college students. It is a Blue City in a Blue county, although it is surrounded by red areas. It snowed last night, and the city looks almost storybookish.

by Anonymousreply 4001/18/2013

very cute area. Hot in the summer.

I love the funky coffee shops "cranky's" in the airstream trailers

by Anonymousreply 4101/18/2013

You are exaggerating R40. I like WS fine but it isn't some huge college area with a ton of students like the Triangle is.

And it isn't really that blue of an area. Sure it did go for Obama by a few points but Forsyth County passed the antigay amendment by 5 pts as opposed to other metro areas like Asheville, Charlotte and the Triangle where it was voted down.

It is certainly a pretty city with a fun downtown for its size that I have enjoyed visiting but lets not oversell its praises.

by Anonymousreply 4201/18/2013

In Forsyth County, the results were close: the amendment passed with 52.6 percent in favor and 47.4 percent opposed. It did not pass in the City of Winston-Salem. Only eight counties out of 100 voted against the Amendment.

Wake, Mecklenburg, Guilford and Forsyth counties accounted for 40% of votes against Amendment One. (330,733 of 831,788 votes) 89% of voters in Graham Co. – 86% of voters in Robeson Co. – 85% of voters in Columbus Co. all voted “For” amendment 79% of voters in Orange Co. – 69% of voters in Durham Co. – 57% of voters in Wake Co. all voted “Against” amendment one

Orange County - 79% Durham County – 70% Wake County – 57% Mecklenburg County – 54% Chatham County – 54% Buncombe County – 51% Watauga County - 51% Dare County-50.1%

by Anonymousreply 4301/18/2013

I'm going to Carolina in my mind

by Anonymousreply 4402/03/2013

OP, the word "cosmopolitan" and the city of Winston-Salem are galaxies apart.

You can't even get one in any of the bars downtown.

by Anonymousreply 4502/03/2013

I was always told "Nothing could be finer....."

by Anonymousreply 4602/03/2013

What about Wilmington? If you like and are used to living near water? I'm from Connecticut, am very liberal, and an hour outside Manhattan. I think Winston Salem would be too much of a shock to me, probably mostly being as liberal as I am.

by Anonymousreply 4702/04/2013

r47, Winston-Salem is much more liberal than Wilmington. Wilmington is quite conservative. If you must live near the coast, the NC suburbs or Norfolk or the Outer Banks is a better choice.

by Anonymousreply 4802/04/2013

Downtown Winston-Salem is more folksy and artsy than cosmopolitan. At any rate, it is a quite nice downtown.

by Anonymousreply 4902/04/2013

What R48 said, Wilmington is no liberal beachtown. It is a decent place but definitely has a lot of rednecks there also.

NC is the south. The only real liberal areas are the Triangle, Charlotte (and the actual city, not the surburbs) and Asheville. Boone to an extent thanks to the dominance of the university there.

by Anonymousreply 5002/04/2013

NC is in the South, but it is not the Deep South by far. It is part of the lower Mid Atlantic south, similar to Virginia. RDU is the best area to live.

by Anonymousreply 5102/04/2013

It is a fine, and elegant place to inhabit. It has beautiful trees, and greenery, and oh, lovely flowers. Please, you must understand , I enjoy living here, and reading my poetry..........and my greeting cards.

by Anonymousreply 5202/04/2013

I saw Maya Angelou at the old Kroger.

by Anonymousreply 5302/04/2013

Great place to get mugged

by Anonymousreply 5402/04/2013

I really liked Winston-Salem. It is where I had my 1st gay experience and the downtown area is way better than Greensboring. Along with Wake Forest University and Winston-Salem State University, the NC School of Arts is there.

As others have stated, it is surrounded by very red areas, but I-40 makes it a short drive to Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill.

by Anonymousreply 5502/04/2013

The great thing about Winston is its downtown is really on the upswing. It has done great restaurants, an arts center, and lots of new condos and apartments. It also has a burgeoning progressive movement that has turned the county blue.

by Anonymousreply 5602/04/2013

Nice skyline for a city its size.

by Anonymousreply 5702/07/2013

WINSTON-SALEM, N.C. – A church in Winston-Salem has announced it will stop performing all marriages until United Methodist pastors are allowed to officiate at marriages for same-sex couples. The Green Street United Methodist Church made the announcement on their Facebook page on Friday. “On the matter of same-sex marriage, Green Street UMC sees injustice in the legal position of state government and the theological position of our denomination,” the message read. “North Carolina prohibits same-sex marriage and all the rights and privileges marriage brings,” it continued. “The Leadership Council has asked that their ministers join others who refuse to sign any State marriage licenses until this right is granted to same- sex couples.” The church said it is presently the only Reconciling Congregation in the Western North Carolina Conference. They said they have a growing number of members in the gay community. The church said it will publish a public statement on marriage at a press conference on Sunday.

by Anonymousreply 5803/17/2013

This is a pretty large church near downtown Winston-Salem.

by Anonymousreply 5903/19/2013

Recently a man allegedly murdered his partner there. The alleged murderer was due in court because he was charged with embezzling money from his former employer. He failed to appear in court, law enforcement officers went to his residence because his partner's family hadn't had contact with the partner in a while, and the officers found a body at the residence.

The alleged murderer/embezzler was arrested in Las Vegas and was to be returned to NC.

by Anonymousreply 6003/19/2013

wow, r60

by Anonymousreply 6104/01/2013

Hundreds turn out to support gay marriage in Winston-Salem

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WINSTON-SALEM, N.C.– More than 200 people gathered at the Green Street United Methodist Church supporting gay marriage on Sunday morning.

The Winston-Salem church announced earlier this month, that it will not conduct any weddings at the church until gay and lesbian couples are also allowed to the right to marry.

“They took a stand in what they believed in and I feel it’s important as a community member that I be here to support them in that stand, ” said Larry Boles, a gay marriage supporter.

Some of the supporters of gay marriage said at one point in their lives were opposed to the idea of gay marriage, until they realized it was a civil rights issue.

by Anonymousreply 6204/14/2013

Great to see so many people turning out to oppose bigotry.

by Anonymousreply 6304/15/2013

The Associated Press

WINSTON-SALEM, N.C. — Arts officials in Winston-Salem have released a plan for an $80 million theater district that they say would improve the quality of life in the area.

The Winston-Salem Journal reported the Arts Council of Winston-Salem and Forsyth County unveiled the plan Tuesday.

Winston-Salem attorney Greg Scott says the council he chairs thinks that building the theater district would attract more visitors.

The plan calls for creating a cluster of arts and cultural venues along a street and park to serve as a city gathering place.

The council estimates it would take 10 years to complete the project that would include a new theater of about 600 seats. Other features include a National Black Theatre Hall of Fame, renovations to the existing Stevens Center and a new central library.

Read more here:

by Anonymousreply 6409/19/2013

I love the Arts District of W-S.

by Anonymousreply 6509/30/2013

If you like getting mugged, having your car stolen, having your house broken into then WS is a great place!

by Anonymousreply 6609/30/2013

r66, you are ignorant.

by Anonymousreply 6709/30/2013

R67, please elaborate. I had the misfortune of living there for a couple of years.

by Anonymousreply 6809/30/2013

If you're used to living in the North, the Raleigh area is your best bet. Half the people there are transplants from metro NY and work for IBM, Glaxo, Cisco, the Universities or the state government. Charlotte is larger, but elects a lot of Rethuglicans and its suburbs are REAL churchy. Winston & GSO have too many Aunt Pittypat Southern gays longing to flounce about in hoop skirts.

by Anonymousreply 6909/30/2013

Whatever, r69

by Anonymousreply 7001/31/2014

A beautiful foothill city with four distinct seasons. It is a big banking and alerts city. I love its lively downtown, which has a lot of hipsters and artsy peeps.

by Anonymousreply 7103/14/2014

gay bars

by Anonymousreply 7203/14/2014

Winston-Salem officially became the City of Arts and Innovation during Monday’s meeting of the city council, as the council voted unanimously to choose the words that will appear on highway signs leading into the city.

Hours before the vote, residents approached downtown seemed to like the idea:

“Otherwise it’s, you know, beer and doughnuts,” quipped Randy Sheppard, who was walking down Fourth Street. “And cigarettes. So arts and innovation sounds pretty good.”

Some folks didn’t know the city had a slogan, and they were technically right: It didn’t until council members voted Monday evening. The Arts Council of Winston-Salem and Forsyth County, which picked the Arts and Innovation moniker several years ago, mounted a successful campaign to make that the official city slogan when the city decided to accept nominations from the people.

Daniel Aronson, out on a walk downtown, said that folks in Greensboro call this city “the Dash,” which is also the name of the city’s minor-league baseball team. Sally Gupton, another person enjoying the nice weather, said the new slogan was a good one that “explains us exactly.”

The new slogan will appear on signs that the N.C. Department of Transportation places at the entry points to the city. The city heard from some 1,400 people about a slogan; more than half wanted the Arts and Innovation.

Council Member Dan Besse said that he had thought the Arts Council slogan was pretty well known until he was talking with friends recently, and found that none of them had ever heard the slogan.

“This was an important public education process,” Besse said, adding that a lot of people who didn’t know the slogan now know it.

Monday’s meeting also saw council members dealing with a thorny shopping center development matter and with a proposal to advance ultra-high-speed Internet service in the city.

The council approved payment of up to $400,000 to get renovations back on track at the Ogburn Station Shopping Center, where a tenant in the center is proposing to start a restaurant.

The money will be in addition to $400,000 approved a couple years ago by the city for renovations under a program that is designed to rehabilitate run-down commercial developments. But in the case of Ogburn Station and Malone’s Restaurant, the tenant, much of the original money paid for bad construction that was not under city supervision.

New program rules were put in place Monday night – rules that among other things will require that in the future loans be made only to property owners and not tenants. Loan applicants also will have to submit business plans and other financial information, and the city will visit the construction site to make sure everything is up to snuff.

The council split 6-2 on approving the new program rules, with council members Derwin Montgomery and James Taylor in opposition. Montgomery said there ought to be a way to still allow loans to tenants, and said the purpose of the program had been to help places that might not meet traditional guidelines.

The new Ogburn Station loans had been approved in principle earlier, but the payout was linked to new measures to oversee the project and a settlement of the dispute between the tenant and shopping center owner. Monday the council voted 6-2 to approve the spending, with council members Robert Clark and Jeff MacIntosh this time in opposition.

The ultra-fast Internet should become a reality in Winston-Salem before the end of the calendar year, city officials said, as the council voted unanimously to enter into an agreement with AT&T to build the network. The effort is part of a wider effort by communities across the state called the N.C. Next Generation Network.

The new service would provide Internet connections 100 times faster than typical broadband connections available today. The network would be built around the city based on customer demand. City officials said that city residents by neighborhood would be asked to sign up for services, and that AT&T would decide where to build based on the response rate and construction costs for specific areas.

The effort will also involve making the service available in community centers for the disadvantaged, as well as free lower-speed Internet services for some in low-income housing.

AT&T will bear the costs of constructing the network, but the city is agreeing to help by speeding up any permitting and right-of-way access issues.

by Anonymousreply 7305/05/2014

Jill Abrahamson was welcomed warmly at Wake Forest.

by Anonymousreply 7405/20/2014

Outside of Chapel Hill and Asheville, I can't imagine a gay man would find much happiness living in North Carolina. Although there are many individuals who are accepting of same-sex couples, the majority of natives are social conservatives who still hold hostile views of gay people.

Remember, that vicious anti-gay amendment to the state constitution was passed with over 60 percent of the vote last year. Not only gay marriages are banned but so are civil unions, and ministers could be threatened with arrest if they hold same-sex marriage ceremonies. Even benefits for same-sex partners are banned. The far right wing of the Republican Party has a stranglehold on state government. And don't forget, this was the state that sent the insidious Jesse Helms to the Senate for 30 years.

Change has always been too slow to come in North Carolina.

by Anonymousreply 7505/20/2014

Agree, [75]. There are a few cool pockets in NC, as you noted. But venture out and it's an entirely different vibe. Love, love Asheville/Black Mountain.

by Anonymousreply 7605/20/2014

r75, and yet NC has a relatively large and content gay and bisexual community throughout the state.

by Anonymousreply 7705/20/2014

Oprah is in Winston-Salem to prepare for Maya's memorial service

by Anonymousreply 7806/03/2014

Fuck Winston, I'm moving to Greensboro,

by Anonymousreply 7906/04/2014

In the early 90's my best friend was obsessed with a minor league baseball player she dated once. We took a vacation together which basically involved following The Baseball Player as he played in AA stadiums across the Southeast.

We started our journey in Florida, and ended up in Washington DC, but along the way we did stay in Winston Salem. I think we drove to a stadium in "Zebulon" for one game, which was one of the hottest afternoons of my life. We also watched The Baseball Player play in the Durham Bulls stadium (you know, from the movie) and it was delightful to see the smoke come out of the giant bull's nose.

We also had vanilla ice cream served in a little plastic baseball helmut.

I remember we went out to dinner in a nice little restaurant in Winston Salem, and when I asked to be seated in the non-smoking section the entire dining room turned to look at me. There wasn't one. People everywhere were smoking like it was their job. I guess it was, in a way.

We did go to a late night gay bar but I think it was in Charlotte---the police pulled us over on the way back to the hotel because we were driving with no lights on at 3:00 am. And the officer let us go after writing down directions to the hotel....and we were drunk AND stoned at the time.

So that was nice.

I just googled The Baseball Player. He was drafted very high after graduating high school but ended up playing minor league ball his entire career. Never made The Big Show. And he looks OLD now...


by Anonymousreply 8006/04/2014

Just went there. It is a very pretty city with a very thriving downtown. I like the Arts District. They are building a new research park downtown that has a very bohemian vibe.

by Anonymousreply 8106/15/2014

Winston-Salem has been selected as the home for a national cycling training site, according to U.S. cycling officials.

The projected site is a 42,000-square-foot building across from the Millennium Center.

Kevin Loughery, a spokesman for USA Cycling, confirmed Thursday the site will serve as a training site. USA Cycling serves as the sport’s national governing body.

Loughery said there are 16 cycling training sites around the country and three U.S. training facilities.

The site will serve road cycling and potentially other disciplines as well.

Steve Johnson, USA Cycling’s president and chief executive, wrote in a March 10 letter to the Winston-Salem Cycling Classic committee that he supports a local bid for another U.S. Olympic cycling training site if the Cycling Classic Committee applies to the U.S. Olympic Committee.

“The cycling center would add another exciting element to our downtown,” Mayor Allen Joines said Thursday. “It would also bring national attention to Winston Salem.”

by Anonymousreply 8201/26/2015

Wake Forest has a beautiful campus

by Anonymousreply 8302/16/2015


by Anonymousreply 8402/16/2015

I lived in NC for 5 years and just left recently.

I'm going to be way, way more honest with you:

If you can't answer the question"Which church do you go to?" solidly and repeatedly, and that's ON the job, don't move there.

If you're not going to join the local Bass fishing club, can't talk about hunting at all, won't join a lodge, or believe that the South was totally railroaded during the Civil War...donlt move there.

30 minutes outside of either Raleigh, Chapel Hill, or Durham and you are RURAL. End. Of. And let it be known, in the words of the natives: If you wanna indulge in your faggotry, keep the parades small and your dick suckin' behind closed doors, cause we don't want our women and children exposed to it.

Tye LGBT center in Raleigh was being closely 'observed' last time I was there, and that was only two years ago.

As far as the 'change' outside residents say is coming, I recommend you look at the political color switch from 2012. The neo-cons are entrenched and by old, established money. And the state has little to no respect on Capitol Hill because they are so isolationist.

And if you want rural living, brace yourself on MLK's b-day: Rednecks everywhere fire their guns FIVE times. I'll let you figure out 'why'.

If you are going to live in that state, which has tons of natural beauty don't get me wrong(but gay hikers are still persecuted/ killed, just no one ever proves it), don't live anywhere EXCEPT INSIDE city limits. If you are attacked for 'being gay', it won't garner you much sympathy. There's a solid membership base in the state for The Sons Of The Confederate Army. Kind of a younger KKK.

And native Democrats are NOT,NOT,NOT the type of Democrat more, uh, 'cultured' people think of, so don't be surprised to find them quite racist and homophobic. "Oh, we're not THAT kind of Democrat.", one lady told me.

Act straight, talk conservative, don't be seen in the gay clubs by your employers.

College Hill and Durham might be about as 'Libruhl' as you're gonna get. I sincerely encourage you to think about why the Human Rights campaign has specifically targeted NC and Arkansas. Also, NC has the highest taxes on everything in the Southern states.

Now, SC is considered NC's red headed step-cousin. So...if Alabama considers these states 'libruhl', do you comprehend daily life in the South?

BTW, if you choose Durham and go for drives in the country, pick a small town you say you live in because whites there consider Durham 'the Detroit of the South', and you residing there will be a flag to them that 'boy, you ain't right'.

Visit it. Enjoy the natural beauty but do not be fooled by it. It's part of the irony.

by Anonymousreply 8502/17/2015

I'm cool with all that, r85. Sounds like my kind of ideal place, bro. Thanks!

by Anonymousreply 8602/17/2015

Cold, at the moment.

by Anonymousreply 8702/17/2015

[quote]College Hill and Durham might be about as 'Libruhl' as you're gonna get.

Oh, dear. College Hill, for the record, is a show I dearly miss.

For all of NC's racism, rednecks and political problems, I'll take it over Boston any day. At least we can pretend to be nice to one another.

R85, sorry you had such a horrible experience, but out of curiosity: where did you live for those 5 years?

by Anonymousreply 8802/17/2015

It sounds lived in bumfuck nowhere. I've lived in Durham NC for four years now, after coming from a big city, and his experience doesn't match mine at all.

I was surprised at how liberal and progressive the culture was in this area. Now it is true that once you exit the triangle area it gets more country...but I don't hang out in bumfuckland.

by Anonymousreply 8902/17/2015

A shit load of old farts.

by Anonymousreply 9002/17/2015

RDU area is nice if you like strip malls, traffic congestion and kudzu. A friend of mine left Chapel Hill for a less prestigious university because it was such a closed social place and there wasn't much to do. The state university system pays poorly and even people with a lot of grants (like my friend) get screwed.

Any list of downtowns like the one upthread capped by Indianapolis is suspect. There seems to be some booster who keeps writing lots of Chamber of Commerce paragraphs that mostly can be ignored.

by Anonymousreply 9102/17/2015

Wake forest has a TON of big beefy football players.

by Anonymousreply 9202/17/2015

r85 = one of those people that peeks out of the front windows constantly because they just 'know' some one is messing with their mailbox. Gay hikers being killed? LGBT Center in Raleigh being surveilled? MLK Day fusillades in rural areas? All delusions from the mind of a paranoid.

by Anonymousreply 9302/17/2015

Raleigh is what it wishes it could be.

by Anonymousreply 9402/17/2015

[quote]I'm going to be way, way more honest with you:

Translation: I'm an angry and bitter person whose only hobby is complaining. Therefore I'm going to wildly exaggerate my commentary; which is primarily based upon 3 red necks with whom I worked but barely knew.

by Anonymousreply 9502/17/2015

R85 here...

Some of ya'll with your pro-South, (and why NC in particular, hmmm. LOL ), crack me up! But keep writing. I'm sure some idiot will believe you.

So, I must be a paranoid and it's not good enough to have lived and worked there, recently, for five years huh? Do you want the last address too? LOL Too funny. Keep trying sweetie pie ;) And hey, don't forget to go to Bojangles for lunch! Or are you more of a Chik-Fil-a kinda guy? Do you say you're a hunter, but you're actually a forest fag? You could be openly out, instead of just online out.

Oh, wait...


by Anonymousreply 9602/17/2015

aaaand there's the answer....

by Anonymousreply 9702/17/2015

Again r85 / r96 is someone I imagine interjecting weird non sequiturs into conversations and then tapping the side of their nose knowingly. Where's the proof. Gay hikers are regularly killed and it's not in any papers? The LGBT Center is being cased and not even the ACLU or SPLC are aware. I called James, the executive director of the Raleigh LGBT Center, this afternoon just to see if perhaps you knew something horrible about my town that I didn't know. He assured me that they have never been aware of anyone keeping watch over them. While you have my blessings listen to George Noory all night and swim in a lukewarm sea of your paranoid delusions privately, I will not allow you to publicly slander a place that is one of the best places to live in the country and that I call home.

by Anonymousreply 9802/17/2015

unsugaredtruth aka r85 / r96 is also Captain Obvious from the Rosie HBO Special thread if you'd like to see his thoughts on the subject of comedy.

by Anonymousreply 9902/17/2015

Like many, I moved to North Carolina from New York. I absolutely love Winston-Salem. It is a Moravian city with a huge arts community. I bought a huge house here whereas I could barely afford a studio in NYC. People are sweet and friendly and the food is so good! Downtown W-S really is popping with nightlife, shopping, and new condos. Try Sweet Potatoes restaurant downtown for an I credible meal. Also, people from New York expecting the weather to be warm most of the year. It is not. It is not as cold as NY, but it is cold in the winter, and we've had snow and ice multiple times this winter. I like the distinct four seasons. Mountains and coast are an easy drive. DC is not far either.

by Anonymousreply 10002/20/2015

W-S is at the edge of the foothills, with beautiful rolling terrain. I love seeing Pilot Mountain from the city.

by Anonymousreply 10102/24/2015

It's flavor country.

by Anonymousreply 10202/24/2015

There's no there there.

Most are from somewhere else.

Most look the same.

I liked the mountain people though -- they mind their own business if you mind yours.

by Anonymousreply 10302/24/2015

Ny Times Article on Winston

by Anonymousreply 10404/29/2015

W-S is many boring hours drive from DC. The idea that something like that is a plus--its just ridiculous. It's a boring backwater in the middle of nowhere.

by Anonymousreply 10505/01/2015

It's part of the Triad metro area, 1.6 million people in 6,000 square miles including Greensboro and High Point (America's furniture capital), and near to Mt. Airy (with its Mayberry themed tourism). So it's not true that it's the "Middle of Nowhere."

by Anonymousreply 10605/02/2015

R105, you sound like a prissy jerk. It's definitively not a backwater, and many people obviously love the area. Maybe your kind of prissy elitist effeminate aren't liked there, but normal people love it.

by Anonymousreply 10705/02/2015

"Small City, Big Luxury"

by Anonymousreply 10805/05/2015

I have lived in ws, charlotte, greensboro, chapel hill and wilmington and I liked ws and greensboro the best. Greensboro has the most to do, but winston salem is pleasant place. Cost of living very good everywhere except for charlotte. Chapel hill real estate is expensive and the place is over crowded with students. I like the beach but hate wilmington. Snobbish in the way a small southern town is snobbish. And no surprise that beach property is expensive. I would probably pick winston salem if I liked the mountains.

by Anonymousreply 10905/06/2015

Brookstown District

by Anonymousreply 11005/08/2015

Peanut55, you are like Mr. North Carolina then. What is your opinion of the Southern Pines area for gay retirement? New Bern?

by Anonymousreply 11105/10/2015

[quote]Greensboro has the most to do

As someone that lives in NC I have never heard anything say that about Greensboro. It is always considered boring next to Charlotte and the Raleigh-Durham area.

by Anonymousreply 11205/10/2015

Greensboro has been eclispsed by Winston-Salem. People in NC call it Greensboring.

by Anonymousreply 11305/10/2015

Ooooo! Loved "Salem's Lot"!

by Anonymousreply 11405/10/2015

Winston-Salem’s first “art park,” dubbed ARTivity on the Green opened last weekend with the goal of turning a parking lot near an arts district into a green space full of creative installations evocative of the city’s industrial past.

Situated on Liberty Street between Wake Forest University’s Innovation Quarter, a hub for biomedical science and tech development, and the Arts District downtown, the half-acre park’s focal point is red “smokestacks” that will lead visitors into the park and light up at night and create fog formations.

The project was funded by local nonprofit Art for Art’s Sake (AFAS) on a budget of $2 million. In addition to art installations and sculptures, the space also showcases a heavy use of steel (again, to evoke the city’s industrial past) — with steel benches resembling sawhorses in addition to standard spaces for lounging and picnicking.

The park also has a large wall that will serve as a canvas for murals by local artists. The Winston-Salem Chronicle reported earlier this year that 10 mural artists will begin working now that the park has officially opened.

“We wanted to create a space that speaks to Winston-Salem’s reputation as ‘The City of Arts and Innovation,’” said Harry Knabb, chairman and chief executive of AFAS, “while at the same time paying tribute to its industrial, tobacco-and-textiles past.”

From inception to ribbon-cutting, blueprints to construction, the project used local vendors.

“The Liberty Street area is the next frontier of development in the area. This is leading the way along that corridor. It is going to bring a much-needed sense of activity,” Councilman Derwin Montgomery told the Chronicle. “ARTivity is going to be symbolic of the art and activity that will be happening there, which in turn will lead to much more happening in the area.” Become a Next City member today

Marielle Mondon is an editor and freelance journalist in Philadelphia. Her work has appeared in Philadelphia City Paper, Wild Magazine, and PolicyMic. She previously reported on communities in Northern Manhattan while earning an M.S. in journalism from Columbia University.

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On first glance, early ideas for Pittsburgh’s “Uptown EcoInnovation District” look like urban planning potpourri — a number of strategies that aim to strengthen the city’s Uptown neighborhood, with goals attached to transit, housing, entrepreneurship, community cohesion and more. Related Stories

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That ambitious, holistic, big-picture planning is just the right type of strategy for the low-density, underutilized neighborhood, according to Grant Ervin, city sustainability manager. Portland-based nonprofit EcoDistricts chose Uptown — sandwiched between Pennsylvania’s second- and third-largest downtowns, Pittsburgh and Oakland — to be one of eight 2014 EcoDistrict incubator neighborhoods in the U.S. The sustainable cities advocacy organization will consult on the project moving forward.

“For the past generation, there have been conversations about how to better connect these two neighborhoods through transit that have gone through fits and starts,” says Ervin. “What we recognized, however, was that there was never a conversation about the neighborhood itself.

“It’s largely been a place that’s been forgotten, whether it’s by City Hall or by residents from around the city. It’s never been a focus of the conversation. What we saw was an opportunity to kind of change that dialogue.”

Local anchor institutions like Duquesne University and UPMC Mercy Hospital take up a lot of territory in the neighborhood, which only has about 800 residents. Surface parking lots that service these ins

by Anonymousreply 11505/16/2015

I think I am moving here next year. I love this place!

by Anonymousreply 11601/18/2016

r10 Budget for escorts OP if you move there!

by Anonymousreply 11701/18/2016

I did some business travel there each year c. 1998-2002, and remember the one gay bar's website saying you had to be a member to go to there, and, further you could not buy a membership at he door but had to have purchased it a week prior to your first visit.

It was like there was a law mandating a waiting period for being gay like they have for abortion now. I never went because I always forgot to call in advance and join before coming to town.

I just looked it up, to see if all that had changed, and discovered it was called Club Odyssey and it's now closed.

And I also saw this article from 2014 about a guy running for Republican state senator on a strong anti-gay platform who was revealed to be . . . a former drag queen performer and impresario at Club Odyssey in Winston-Salem!

by Anonymousreply 11801/18/2016

[quote]I think I am moving here next year. I love this place!

Have you really spent time there? It has a fairly nice looking downtown area and something of a nice arts scene for a city of its size...but that is basically it. It is a very provincial and boring place, it might be fine depending on what you want...but tread carefully. As has been discussed in this thread it doesn't even stand out as one of the better NC cities.

by Anonymousreply 11901/18/2016

Anyone here went to Wake Forest? I am considering going there.

by Anonymousreply 12001/20/2016

U.S. News & World Report lists Winston-Salem as the 39th best place to live in the USA. U.S. News analyzed the 100 most populous cities to find the best places to live. To make the top of the list, a place had to have good value, be a desirable place to live, have a strong job market and a high quality of life.

Other NC cities that made the list:

Raleigh-Durham #4. Charlotte #15. Greensboro #51.

by Anonymousreply 12103/02/2016

Politico has a great story on Winston.

What Works How Tech Helped Winston-Salem Quit Tobacco The North Carolina city was once a major producer of cigarettes in the country. Now it’s manufacturing human organs.

by Anonymousreply 12210/21/2016

Beautiful city, nice people, great food

by Anonymousreply 12308/04/2017

Which is better the Winston part or the Salem part.

I hear the Salem part is full of the wrong types. You know, those who smoke MENTHOL

by Anonymousreply 12408/04/2017
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