People always point to "Cruising" as homo-hateful (I disagree, seems pretty accurate). But what other movies make us look bad?%0D %0D I watched "The Owl And The Pussycat" the other night and I heard "fairy" and "pervert" over and over.
The most homophobic movies of all time
|by Anonymous||reply 331||Last Tuesday at 12:21 AM|
I guess Braveheart is there at the top. The first time I started to dislike Mel Gibson was when I was watching that piece of shit.
|by Anonymous||reply 1||03/04/2011|
Eddie Murphy: Raw
|by Anonymous||reply 2||03/04/2011|
Anything by Sacha Baron Cohen.
|by Anonymous||reply 3||03/04/2011|
|by Anonymous||reply 5||03/04/2011|
I would say anything by Mel...
|by Anonymous||reply 6||03/04/2011|
|by Anonymous||reply 7||03/04/2011|
Luckily not many
|by Anonymous||reply 8||03/04/2011|
Please explain the homophobia in Braveheart, I could never bring myself to watch that shit.
|by Anonymous||reply 9||03/04/2011|
The Hangover is a recent example.
|by Anonymous||reply 10||03/04/2011|
Not most homophobic, but in The Hangover they kept teasing some guy by calling him Dr. Faggot. That's so gay.
|by Anonymous||reply 11||03/04/2011|
Anybody seen this movie Role Models with Paul Rudd? 365gay says it's the most homophobic movie ever.
|by Anonymous||reply 12||03/04/2011|
I didn't think Hangover was homophobic. I thought it was just guys being guys.
|by Anonymous||reply 13||03/04/2011|
Negative image of gays in films very much a product of the film's time. For instance the Detective in the late 60s or films from the 70s when so many people feared the high visibilty and militancy (demanding equal rights) of both women and gays. Films went anti-leading lady in the 70s as well.
|by Anonymous||reply 14||03/04/2011|
"Braveheart" is the most sickeningly homophobic movie of all time.%0D %0D Mel Gibson created a gay British prince who DID NOT EXIST at the time of William Wallace just so the gay prince's boyfriend could be hurled out the window of a castle to his death. Whenever this scene plays in theatres, the audience erupts into laughter and cheers. And there is NO reason for their joy aside from the fact that they just got to see a gay man killed. %0D %0D It is sickening. And Mel Gibson intensionally created this historically inaccurate event and sold it as true history. The world sadly believed it and loved it. It is the most terrifying experience I ever had to watch this in a theatre.
|by Anonymous||reply 15||03/04/2011|
I saw Role Models, R13, but I can't remember it. I guess that pretty much tells you how much of an impact it would have on anyone.
|by Anonymous||reply 16||03/04/2011|
Why would str8 movie makers care about being homophobic when gay people don't care? There's never any big outcry about any gay bashing language in movies. Gays, even on DL, always make excuses like R13...just guys being guys. Like whites were just being whites back in the day.
|by Anonymous||reply 17||03/04/2011|
The funny thing is that Mel's character in 'Braveheart' is terribly gay (albeit a butch queen). William Wallace's wife is conveniently killed early in the movie so that we don't have to have "icky women" in the story. She reappears occasionally as a ghost to remind people that WW is straight even though he only hangs around with beefy men (no chicks anywhere in THIS revolution). Obviously killing the prince's BF is a further audience "get out of jail free card" for Wallace's homoerotic lifestyle.
It's as gay as Top Gun.
Sadly, it isn't campy fun - it's a tedious, earnest bowl of tripe only relieved by some good battle scenes (kudos to the editor and cinematographer). Just as in real life, Mel is insufferable and I have never wished more fervently for a movie hero to die a painful death as I did in that cinema.
If only THAT scene was real...
|by Anonymous||reply 18||03/04/2011|
Robert Aldrich's "The Choirboys". It's not even close. We get an early visit from a faggot with a pink poodle. He sees a cop handcuffed to a tree and romantic violin music plays in the background. "Oooh, a naked perthon" he lisps. A young kid gets arrested for cruising in the park and is released. At the movie's climax, a shellshocked vet guns him down in the park and the event is covered up by the police force.
|by Anonymous||reply 19||03/04/2011|
Rent 'The Celluloid Closet', a documentary based on the great book by Vito Russo. It details the representations of lesbians and gay men throughout movie history with amazing footage going back to the birth of the moving picture.
|by Anonymous||reply 20||03/04/2011|
[quote]Not most homophobic, but in The Hangover they kept teasing some guy by calling him Dr. Faggot. That's so gay. No, they didn't keep calling him that. I read on Datalounge that it was homophobic, so I avoided it until recently. It's much funnier that I had expected. There's one exchange early on: dentist's mean girlfriend: I just wish your friends were as mature as you. dentist: They are mature. You just have to get to know them. immature friend outside the house: Paging Dr. Faggot. girlfriend: I guess you'd better get going, Dr. Faggot (bitter sarcasm). That's might not be exact, but it's close. It's supposed to show the friend is regressing to adolescence in anticipation of the stag party.
|by Anonymous||reply 21||03/04/2011|
Norman is That You?
|by Anonymous||reply 22||03/04/2011|
I agree with you, R15. That bothered the crap out of me. It was so obvious the negative message he was trying to convey about gay men.%0D %0D BTW, I'm a straight woman.%0D %0D
|by Anonymous||reply 23||03/04/2011|
[quote]Mel Gibson created a gay British prince who DID NOT EXIST at the time of William Wallace just so the gay prince's boyfriend could be hurled out the window of a castle to his death
Prince Edward, later King Edward II *DID* exist and was likely gay or bi(he fathered at least five children from 2 different women). He father however did not have his lover killed (much less thrown out the window) instead exiled him to France (he returned when the old King died)
Gibson of course introduces this cheesy plot about Wallace actually being the father of the homo-prince's son (Edward III).
|by Anonymous||reply 24||03/04/2011|
The Silence of the Lambs = Lotion in the Basket Queen Will Skin Your Daughter
The Lion King = Uncle Scar: Usurping Fag
Spartacus = Effeminate Crassus Likes Snails and Oysters, Will Crucify You
|by Anonymous||reply 25||03/04/2011|
R21- please fuck off and die. I'm SO tired of pieces of shit like you making excuses for homophobic garbage. You're filth.
|by Anonymous||reply 26||03/04/2011|
There's still so much homophobia in movies- it's very telling. A business full of closet cases who use the word "fag" as a cover for their private realities. That's what makes garbage like the Hangover so infuriating. A movie starring a closet case, so of course it has to resort to gay slurs.
|by Anonymous||reply 27||03/04/2011|
Really Old Gay Guy here: Frank Sinatra in Tony Rome. The most evil, hateful movie ever as it relates to Gays and Lesbians.%0D %0D It is a wonder that they even show it on TV these days. Just horrible.
|by Anonymous||reply 28||03/04/2011|
I own this thread.
|by Anonymous||reply 29||03/04/2011|
R5's YT link has this comment...%0D %0D Charlie is said to suffer%EF%BB%BF from 'tinymeat' (= less than 7 inches hard).%0D %0D Discuss.%0D %0D mrspatrickcampbell 6 hours ago %0D %0D R5 ...was that you? (g)%0D %0D That film could certainly make one 80sphobic. Eww.%0D %0D Rod Steiger in "No Way To Treat A Lady" in response to being called "homo".. "It doesn't make you a bad person".
|by Anonymous||reply 30||03/04/2011|
I'd imagine the script (such as it was) was written well before Cooper was cast, R27.
I'm ultimately not particularly hopeful that casual homophobia will disappear from Hollywood movies anytime soon. Straight men seem to have a boundless appetite for misogynistic humor and gay panic jokes -- watching women and the men who (they think) are stupid enough to want to be like women get humiliated is mother's milk to them.
|by Anonymous||reply 31||03/04/2011|
Yep, Braveheart tops my list, as well.%0D %0D As for The Hangover...a gay friend raved about it and coerced me into seeing it. Bradley Cooper's character - a teacher - calls one of his students (out of earshot) a "fag" and later, of course, uses the "Paging Dr. Faggot" line. A disgusting film and I didn't laugh once. If I hadn't been with a friend, I would've walked out.
|by Anonymous||reply 32||03/04/2011|
"If you were a woman, I'd know how to compete with you"
|by Anonymous||reply 33||03/04/2011|
The Rod Steiger movie THE SERGEANT
|by Anonymous||reply 34||03/04/2011|
Exactly R27.A lot of these movies are also written by closet cases.
|by Anonymous||reply 35||03/04/2011|
Interiors when crazed stalker Elizabeth Ashley rifled through Talia Shire's trashcan to sniff a discarded tampon. %0D %0D A Different Story when a gay man, Perry King, and a lesbian, Meg Foster, discover heterosexual love with one another while smearing frosting on each other's naked bodies. %0D %0D They Only Kill Their Masters. James Garner and Katherine Ross yuck it up as a pair of sleuths out to discover whether foul play wan involved in the death of a pregnant lesbian who was torn to pieces by a doberman.
|by Anonymous||reply 36||03/04/2011|
Very true, R34%0D %0D One of a long line of "The Queer Ends Up Dead Some Way Or Another For Wahtever Reason" movies.%0D %0D Did anyone mention "The Children's Hour" yet?
|by Anonymous||reply 37||03/04/2011|
R31- how brilliant and astute you are not!
You totally missed the point, Einstein.
|by Anonymous||reply 38||03/04/2011|
"Boys Beware" is sort of homophobic in a way.
|by Anonymous||reply 39||03/04/2011|
"Interiors when crazed stalker Elizabeth Ashley rifled through Talia Shire's trashcan to sniff a discarded tampon."
Interiors? Is there a different movie Interiors, other than the Woody Allen movie?
|by Anonymous||reply 40||03/04/2011|
r36, the Elizabeth Ashley - Talia Shire movie is "Windows," not "Interiors."
|by Anonymous||reply 41||03/04/2011|
No, I didn't miss your point.
You seem to believe that homophobia exists in movies because a lot of the people who create movies are self-hating closet cases. I believe homophobia exists in movies because straight men love their privilege and get off on degrading women and gay men (or watching them be degraded).
|by Anonymous||reply 42||03/04/2011|
Huh, r29. You're right: you try to have sex with the locals, and they will kill you and rip you apart. Not very appealing.
I saw this at a revival house in Chicago with my ext about 20 years ago, and still think about it. Problem is, when lz Taylor said, then they devoured him! I always thought she said "THen they DEFLOWERED him." My ex, thankfully, set me straight
|by Anonymous||reply 44||03/04/2011|
R42- the two are not mutually exclusive. Homophobia is a complex phenomenon. I never said that it was the only reason, but it is one of the reasons.
|by Anonymous||reply 45||03/04/2011|
Silence of the Lambs is at the top of any such list. Even the author of the book condemned the movie as homophobic. Michelle Pfeiffer turned down the role, in part, because of the homophobia. Funny how Jodie Foster had no problem with it...
|by Anonymous||reply 46||03/04/2011|
R45, binary thinking only, please.
|by Anonymous||reply 47||03/04/2011|
basic instict... every single female in that movie is bisexual AND a murderer.
|by Anonymous||reply 48||03/04/2011|
Rocky Horror Picture Show?
|by Anonymous||reply 49||03/04/2011|
R47- LOL! Forgot I was on datalounge. :)
|by Anonymous||reply 50||03/04/2011|
In shared national experience I'd say Hollywood and TV have done more to puncture fears of the weirdness of gay people than any laws, speeches or proclamations.
|by Anonymous||reply 51||03/04/2011|
Complex phenomenon, granted.
But it's funny that for someone who's so concerned about homophobia in our popular culture, your first response was to blame gay people for creating and perpetuating it.
Blaming gay people for the problems that face gay people? I would say you're the one dealing in lazy datalounge tropes, not me.
|by Anonymous||reply 52||03/05/2011|
The sad part is that it didn't have to be like this. I remember when 'Boys in the Sand' came out gay and straight couples alike would attend screenings at the local supper club, a place where you would dine while watching the film. It was a sign of sophistication and elegance to attend gay films. But it was the insecure, juvenile troublemakers who had to snicker at things that were different that turned the tide on gay acceptance. Much more so than churches at the time.
|by Anonymous||reply 53||03/05/2011|
As Shirley McClaine observes in the Celluloid Closet, Hollywood doesn't lead it follows. As gay people fought for our rights, Hollywood tried to jump on the bandwagon. It's ludicrous to make the assertion you're making. Even after the modern gay rights movement had started making strides, Films and television shows continued promoting homophobia. It was only when gay people protested those shows that things started turning around.
And when HIV/AIDS appeared on the scene, Hollywood had the worse reaction. Actors couldn't get work, and were virtually blacklisted.
Sorry, you couldn't be more wrong.
|by Anonymous||reply 54||03/05/2011|
I'm emphatically not closeted, and I agree with you, closeted cases are responsible for some of the attacks on the gay community, and they are cowards and assholes. But for every Lindsey Graham there is a Rick Santorum, and a Mike Huckabee, and a Newt Gingrich, and a John McCain, etc.
Gay people who are closeted are closeted because the culture at large is homophobic (and because they are cowardly assholes who aren't brave enough to confront that head on). The vast majority of anti-gay bullshit that gets tossed around comes from straight people (and particularly from straight men). Do you disagree?
You can feel free to heap icy contempt on closeted homophobes. I won't stop you (and I'll join you), but I'm saving most of mine for the people who are doing us (and pretty much every other minority out there) the most damage.
|by Anonymous||reply 56||03/05/2011|
Why has NO ONE mentioned the gay "Song of the South" - Al Pacino's 1980 film, 'Cruisin'.
|by Anonymous||reply 57||03/05/2011|
The film of 'Basic Instinct' has an interesting backstory, R48.
Originally the Glenn Close character didn't die but preview audiences were outraged: THAT BITCH MUST DIE! was the feedback from men and women so they went back and shot the ending we see today. Realistically, the true villain of the piece should surely be the Michael Douglas character who cheated on his wife and exploited a vulnerable mistress. Of course the film takes great pains to blacken the Glenn Close character (what? She a threat to THE HELPLESS CHILDREN?? KILL HER!!!
And WHAT a death??!!! She's like the undead - put a stake in her!
The movie's sick heterosexual revenge fantasy turned my stomach.
|by Anonymous||reply 58||03/05/2011|
r57, OP mentioned it right away.
|by Anonymous||reply 59||03/05/2011|
Jeez, r58, you're talking about Fatal Attraction, not Basic Instinct.
|by Anonymous||reply 60||03/05/2011|
I can't read!
|by Anonymous||reply 61||03/05/2011|
Ouch, R60. An attack of Oldtimers Disease.
|by Anonymous||reply 62||03/05/2011|
YEs, the Rod Steiger movie The Sergeant - he has to shoot himself when he realieses how he really feels about soldier John Philip Law, who rebuffs his advances. %0D %0D But a lot of those late 60s early 70s trash movies like The Love Machine has the word Fag tossed around all the time. I hope Dyan Cannon cringes if she ever watches herself in it again, the way she keeps calling John Philip Law (again!) a fag as she can get him sacked from his media job if she can prove he is! David Hemmings (sending up his Blowup image) is the very gay photographer who also has the hots for John!
|by Anonymous||reply 63||03/05/2011|
"Rocky Horror Picture Show?"
No... you Moron. The Rocky Horror Picture Shows entire message is something to the effect of " Don't just dream your life, Live it". Hardly a homophobic message.
|by Anonymous||reply 64||03/05/2011|
Another Gay Movie. It wouldn't be so bad except for the one character.
|by Anonymous||reply 65||03/05/2011|
In the original Fatal Attraction, Glenn Close's character kills herself. That's what the Madame Butterfly scene is all about. No?
|by Anonymous||reply 66||03/05/2011|
r2, You're right. I loved Eddie but that was horrible, just despicable. No one can gay bash like a gay. Just like back in the day you could tell certain people were passing (JE Hoover, for example) because of their virulent hatred, more than anything.
A Tyler Perry play is pretty up there as well, he doesn't transfer some of the stuff he does i the play to the movie so I guess this doesn't come. I skip movies where I can see that coming.
|by Anonymous||reply 67||03/05/2011|
Yes, you're right R66. I got that detail wrong too. Sheesh!
At least the rest of my "making of..." tale is correct, or what's left of it.
|by Anonymous||reply 68||03/05/2011|
"Silence Of The Lambs"? Don't really get the Homophobia label just because the villain is perceived to be gay or Transgendered. Just watched it last week again uncut and Lechter clearly says the character thinks he's trans but Lechter says he doesn't think he is, just incredibly insane to be doing what he's doing.
|by Anonymous||reply 69||03/05/2011|
Hostel - the characters call each other %E2%80%9Cfaggot%E2%80%9D throughout the entire length of the movie.%0D %0D
|by Anonymous||reply 70||03/05/2011|
I watched a copy of "Fatal Attraction" and that scene where he plays the cassette of Alex's creepy diatribe against him, the word "faggot" had disappeared. I distinctly remember her calling him that in the original.
|by Anonymous||reply 71||03/05/2011|
R69= legally deaf and blind.
It astonishes me just how stupid some people are.
|by Anonymous||reply 72||03/05/2011|
I agree with R69, I don't see Silence of the Lambs to be especially homophobic. Buffalo Bill certainly was a nasty character but I didn't see him represent gays really. He was a psychopath wanting to transform to something else, and his craziness really made him something much more than a gay person, although of course he was that, too.
One might argue, though, that his character was created to be disgusting for both (straight) men and women. Straight men might find the mixture of masculinity and feminity in him very confusing and frightening, and mixed with his nasty and psychopathic personality that makes him something nightmares are made of. On top of that women of course are scared him because of his skin-wanting ways.
In a way I must admit that I don't mind strong and frightening gay characters like Buffalo Bill because they are something straight people are scared of. We can be just as strong and bad as hets are. We are not just some soft dudes from Queer Eye wanting to serve the hets.
And let's not forget that many real serial killers have been gay, e.g. Jeffrey Dahmer, Andrew Cunanan and John Wayne Gacy. So I don't mind at all if some serial killers in the films are gay, if the film itself is not homophobic in other ways, and I don't think Silence was.
|by Anonymous||reply 73||03/06/2011|
'Boat Trip' is chock-full of every tired and clich%C3%A9d gay stereotype you can imagine. Truly a colossal piece of celluloid shit if there ever was one.
|by Anonymous||reply 74||03/06/2011|
|by Anonymous||reply 75||03/06/2011|
This trailer has to be seen to be believed -
|by Anonymous||reply 76||03/06/2011|
Some of you overlook the fact that to the average (ie, straight, young) moviegoer, the villain in SILENCE OF THE LAMBS was, in fact, gay. Really, really gay. The movie played into every cultural myth that gay men despise women to the point of murder, yet want to be them.
Distinctions of "transgender/transvestite/ confused" were and are completely lost on most of the public, and the movie doesn't do that much to clarify them.
It's a homophobic film, and in retrospect, not an especially good one.
|by Anonymous||reply 77||03/06/2011|
Oh my God, someone finally put some scenes from "Partners" up on Youtube -
|by Anonymous||reply 78||03/06/2011|
"Staircase" was pretty vile.
|by Anonymous||reply 79||03/06/2011|
R5, what movie is that?
|by Anonymous||reply 80||03/06/2011|
Even though it provided lots of pleasing eye candy, I nominate "Troy". Only because the story was horribly whitewashed to removed the sexual relationship between Achilles and Patroclus, which should have been absolutely central to the whole thing. Instead of being his lover, Patroclus was miraculously became the 'cousin' of Achilles instead. Achilles vows to seek revenge against the Trojan prince Hector only after Hector kills 'cousin' Patroclus. Hollywood really screwed up this time. %0D %0D Apparently the image of two strong heroic men who love each other truly and passionately would have been too much for audiences to believe. Who cares if they change a story that has been around for millennia?
|by Anonymous||reply 83||03/06/2011|
Reply #84 does not speak for me.%0D
|by Anonymous||reply 85||03/08/2011|
I Love You, I Don't(1976). A gay man tries to love a boyish woman but she can't tolerate the pain of anal sex.
|by Anonymous||reply 86||03/09/2011|
Ooh, I think I remember "I love you, I don't" AKA "Je t'aime...moi non plus". Wasn't it directed by Serge Gainsbourg with Jane Birkin playing the shy, boyish waitress and Joe Dalessandro the gay truck driver?
|by Anonymous||reply 87||03/09/2011|
Good One R83 . "It's my ... cousin. That's right, err... cousin."%0D %0D Also, in the French movie La D%C3%A9robade, the young sensitive female prostitute thinks she has found a nice young man. She thinks he romantically respects her.%0D Turns out he wants to be with her because he is a gay transvestite and he wants to share with someone who he thinks will understand difference. %0D The heroine then hysterically collapses. It's clear you are meant to believe she has hit rock bottom with that guy. Prositution is really degrading cause you can meet men who are completely deranged : the worse of them dress as women!%0D %0D Hated this.
|by Anonymous||reply 88||03/09/2011|
The TV show Modern Family shows gay men in the most homophobic light ever.%0D Thay are like 2 of the 3 Stooges - Larry and Curley.%0D They exist only to make hetero men feel superior.
|by Anonymous||reply 89||03/09/2011|
Well, R78, Partners is certainly a dumb movie, perpetuating dumb stereotypes, but I'll always remember that one of my uncles who was (probably still is) a homophobe had a commetn about how Gays should be treated more fairly, how policemen are needlessly bastards towards them, after watching that film.%0D %0D But then, I suppose it tells more about some people in my family than the film itself.%0D %0D And, yes, Suddenly Last Summer. Not only is it homophobic but also xenophobic. And over the top! Yeesh!
|by Anonymous||reply 90||03/09/2011|
r89 please Mary. All the families on Modern Family are clownish, not just the gay men. Save your outrage for real homophobia.
|by Anonymous||reply 91||03/09/2011|
Thinking like R92 here.%0D The timing is funny and lets face it, the father/king is the entertaining vilain of the film. He does quantity of heinous things. %0D %0D If it hadn't been made by Mel Gibson, who happens to be homophobe, I would still find it funny.%0D %0D As it is, it takes another tone, when I remember who wrote it.
|by Anonymous||reply 93||03/09/2011|
Don't forget about me -
|by Anonymous||reply 94||03/09/2011|
Any movie that has audience members yelling "Kill the fag!" at the screen is likely to be intentionally homophobic. "Braveheart" is such a movie. At every theatre on earth where that movie was shown, people yelled "Kill the fag!" when the king threw the gay guy to his death. And that gay prince did NOT EXIST during the lifetime of William wallace.
|by Anonymous||reply 95||03/10/2011|
I also remember that, r71.
|by Anonymous||reply 96||03/10/2011|
I agree with the poster who mentioned "A Different Story". Any movie which attempts to 'turn' a gay man straight is vile in my book.
|by Anonymous||reply 98||03/10/2011|
|by Anonymous||reply 99||03/11/2011|
[quote]Any movie that has audience members yelling "Kill the fag!" at the screen is likely to be intentionally homophobic. "Braveheart" is such a movie. At every theatre on earth where that movie was shown, people yelled "Kill the fag!" when the king threw the gay guy to his death. And that gay prince did NOT EXIST during the lifetime of William wallace.
Dear God. What a flashback. I saw 'Braveheart' on opening weekend. The claps and cheers from the audience when the "homosexual" was tossed to his death gave me the chills.
Moments like that sharply remind me that no matter how much tolerance and acceptance the straight folk claim to have, in reality, behind those kind smiles, they really wish every one of us would "go away". We all know where that type of thinking leads.
|by Anonymous||reply 100||03/11/2011|
"No one can gay bash like a gay." How true! Remember Dom Deluise as the emperor in Mel Brooks' "History of the World: Part 1"? He issues the immortal line: "Ok, faggot! What's next?" Oh, the irony.
|by Anonymous||reply 101||02/19/2012|
The Abominable Dr. Phibes.
makes queens with mascara look evil.
|by Anonymous||reply 102||02/19/2012|
I don't see anything wrong with bad guys being gay. The gay community has its fair share of jerks like any other group of people.
Demeaning portrayal of gay characters and reducing them to a punchline is what offends me.
I hate "Made for each other" which is some cheap comedy with the Masterson brothers. One guy bangs his friend's mother. When the friend is getting suspicious the guy claims to be gay. In the end the truth comes out and the friend is perfectly ok with the guy banging his mom since that means he doesn't have a gay friend to deal with after all.
|by Anonymous||reply 103||02/19/2012|
Anyway, let's not forget that Cuba Gooding, Jr. thing in which he went on a gay cruise.
|by Anonymous||reply 105||04/06/2012|
All About Eve.
|by Anonymous||reply 106||04/06/2012|
I agree in regards to "The Lion King". I normally love me some Disney, but I've only watched that movie once (I have it on VHS). The gay villain was just completely unnecessary in a children's film - that's just wrong and damaging to susceptible minds.
|by Anonymous||reply 107||04/06/2012|
Waiting with Ryan Reynolds, it seemed the whole point of the movie was just to degrade and insult gay men.
I Now Pronounce You Chuck and Larry
Of course one issue is the fact that gay men are at best totally ignored and omitted from almost all Hollywood films, when they do appear, they are only there as camp fun for straights to mock and laugh at.
|by Anonymous||reply 108||04/06/2012|
Um I'll assume we're aware 'Boys in the Band' and 'Boys in the Sand' are different movies.
Casey Donovan's 'Boys in the Sand' was most certainly NOT shown in public theaters.
Thanks for the laugh
|by Anonymous||reply 109||04/06/2012|
Diary of a Mad Housewife
"You're a FAG!"
|by Anonymous||reply 110||04/06/2012|
[quote] Silence of the Lambs is at the top of any such list. Even the author of the book condemned the movie as homophobic.
Well he's a hypocritical asshole because the character was far more stereotypically mincingly gay in the book than in the movie.
|by Anonymous||reply 112||04/06/2012|
Always hated those "fag must die" moves which were pretty common in the old days, but the ones that get under my skin are those Roman Empire epics. The emperor was always portrayed as some rancid queen who was inevitably twelve eggs short of a dozen - see "Quo Vadis", "The Robe", et al.
|by Anonymous||reply 113||04/06/2012|
The Hangover, Braveheart, Silence of the Lambs? You guys have to go farther back. I think of Shirley MacLaine's character in "The Children's Hour" where she breaks down and screams "I'm sick in the head!" (bc she is a lesbian). She then hangs herself.
|by Anonymous||reply 114||04/06/2012|
What about the beloved gay "icon" Streisand? In "For Pete's Sake" she tells an effeminate grocery store clerk, "Keep the Fruit Loops, you'll love them!"
|by Anonymous||reply 115||04/06/2012|
"No Way Out"
|by Anonymous||reply 116||04/06/2012|
Pretty much all of Ryan Reynold's movies. He made a career out of fratboy homophobia.
|by Anonymous||reply 117||04/06/2012|
I don't have a problem with the villain in Silence of the Lambs. I do have a problem with the fact that nobody seems to have the faintest idea how to sew and they not know the difference between a dart and a gusset.
|by Anonymous||reply 118||04/06/2012|
Braveheart isn't just homophobic because of turning the death of the prince's lover into a joke, but also William Wallace has to impregnant the prince's wife at the end.
In truth, the princess was six years old and in France at the time of Wallace's death.
Derek Jarman made a good movie of the Marlowe play, Edward II about him.
But the real history is interesting, Edward II was deposed because people felt his male favorites had too much power over him, which was probably a fair criticism. I remember a history professor of mine said that at first, his wife was fine with her husband's male lovers because that meant no female rivals at court and no bastard children of the king to contend with. But when he stopped having sex with her all together and lavished honors that should have been hers on his lovers, she got pissed.
But Mel Gibson made Prince Edward into this fey ineffectual joke, when the real Edward was a formidable figure in his youth - and no dummy. It's just his passions got the better of him.
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|by Anonymous||reply 120||04/06/2012|
Maybe I'm twisted, but I love antiquated movies like "Windows," "Partners," and "A Different Story" just because they seem to come from another dimension.
And I don't think "Cruising" is a homophobic movie at all.
There's a 1960s movie called "The Gay Deceivers" about two gays who pretend to be gay so they don't have to go to Vietnam. Some of it is absolutely cringeworthy, but it's such a relic that it's hard to be too offended.
I've never seen "Braveheart" (and never plan to do so) but the window scene sounds like Mel Gibson through and through.
|by Anonymous||reply 121||04/06/2012|
^ "...two GUYS who pretend to be gay..."
|by Anonymous||reply 122||04/06/2012|
The problem with "Gay Deceivers" is the coda where the father explains the effect that playing gay will have on their life, e.g., never be able to have a government job, never pass a security clearance, etc. While it may have been completely accurate at the time, the fact that it was obviously tacked on, possibly after the fact, is pretty creepy and ends the film on a sour note.
|by Anonymous||reply 123||04/06/2012|
Add American Beauty to the list. This piece of shit got an oscar for having a closet case be the killer man.
|by Anonymous||reply 124||04/06/2012|
Reprehensible as A DIFFERENT STORY is, I was surprised that the tone of the film wasn't mean-spirited.
But things haven't changed too much. Not too long ago, there was a British mini-series called BOB AND ROSE, in which a gay man winds up being attracted to a woman and they fall in love. It was made by the same guy who did the British QAF and TORCHWOOD.
I saw it and noticed that the general depiction of gay life was not positive. But then I felt the same way about QAF: sex-obsessed, dead-end lives.
Yet people who would trash A DIFERENT STORY were just delighted with BOB & ROSE.
|by Anonymous||reply 125||04/06/2012|
'I Now Pronounce You Chuck and Larry' has few rivals. And that Ving Rhames part was the limit.
|by Anonymous||reply 126||04/06/2012|
There's homophobic content, and then there's homophobic editing.
Cat on a Hot Tin Roof comes to mind, when any mention of what the "issue" was between Skipper and Brick is cut out to the point that if you don't know - the plot makes no sense.
|by Anonymous||reply 127||04/06/2012|
Uh R124 - If anything, the moral of the story is that if the closet case wasn't in such deep denial, he wouldn't have been such a psycho to his wife, kid, and ultimately his neighbors. I don't see it as homophobic, I see it as condemning the closet. His violence had nothing to do with being queer, it had to do with being queer and not being able to handle it.
|by Anonymous||reply 128||04/06/2012|
R15, you are half right.
Edward II indeed did exist, and he became the King of England in 1307, two years after Wallace's death. Edward was indeed rumored to be homosexual, and that his lover was Piers Gaveston. He was the heir apparent during the First War of Scottish Independence.
Gaveston was killed in 1312, by sword, not by being thrown out the window, and yes, changing the nature and timeline of that event to suit the film is homophobic.
|by Anonymous||reply 129||04/06/2012|
I think some cases of homophobia in movies can be attributed to simple HABIT moreso than straight guys' demand to see gay men degraded.
In the early days of cinema, it was more rampant for many reasons discussed in The Celluloid Closet. Nowadays, it's just a vestige, and film makers are not as creative these days, so they rely on these old bits...when in reality the laughs don't play out as well as they used to.
This is true for a lot of slapstick humor - it's just very dated...and it keeps making little 'comebacks' when filmmakers get lazy.
Yeah, sometimes homophobic humor is included in media to directly satisfy the demographic, but sometimes it's just a leftover from an era, and if it were erased, MOST people wouldn't 'miss' it.
|by Anonymous||reply 130||04/06/2012|
[quote]I don't see anything wrong with bad guys being gay.
The problem is that classic film portrayals of gay men were ALWAYS bad. It was an excuse to keep us in the Closet.
Why don't you know that?
|by Anonymous||reply 131||04/06/2012|
R125, Wasn't the plot inspired by a friend of his though?
|by Anonymous||reply 132||04/06/2012|
No Way Out is the worst because it comes from an era of gay consciousness AND Will Patton plays a toady with an unrequited love for a straight man who is willing to take..and given the blame, for events, to protect his hero.
|by Anonymous||reply 133||04/06/2012|
Plus he's a creepy killer on top of that. And a worshipper of power. And self-loathing. And just horrible in every way, shape, and form.
Plus he's a fucking Patton.
|by Anonymous||reply 134||04/06/2012|
Chuck and Larry. Just, wow.
|by Anonymous||reply 135||04/06/2012|
Other films in which gay characters are dehumanized and killed for fun are Lucky Number Slevin and Crank. In Crank the guy is a friend of the hero, but he is still a laughable fag who gets shot and hilariously used as a human shield for 10 minutes. (This is of course also the hero who rapes his own girlfriend and is cheered on by the people in the street. I can't believe this movie.)
|by Anonymous||reply 136||04/06/2012|
Excuse me, but to show the immaturity of Bradley Cooper's character by letting him use the word "faggot" twice doesn't put Hangover anywhere near the top 1000 homophobic films of all time. The racism is more problematic in this one.
|by Anonymous||reply 137||04/06/2012|
I'm as offended by Mickey Rooney's Asian characterization in Breakfast AT Tiffany's as any of the homophobic movies listed here, Blake Edwards should have made a directors cut before he died. Rooney could easily have been left on the cutting room floor, with only a positive effect on the movie. He is just awful.
|by Anonymous||reply 138||04/06/2012|
The gay wedding scene in SATC2. It should be classified as a hate crime.
|by Anonymous||reply 139||04/06/2012|
Need to cast James Franco in remake of Cruising--Hot!
|by Anonymous||reply 140||04/06/2012|
Yeah - I find "Gay Deceivers" dated more than homophobic.
|by Anonymous||reply 141||04/06/2012|
Homophobic editing: I really hate A Streetcar Named Desire movie for degaying Blanche's husband. The whole story made no sense that way. Yeah, it might be from 1950, but it pisses me off.
|by Anonymous||reply 142||04/06/2012|
Somehow, "Elephant" comes to mind -- making the Columbine killers gay lovers, kissing as they shower together. Like some right-winger decided their desire to kill wasn't perversion enough, they must be gay too! I love Gus but that was sooooo weird, impossible to rationalize. A jaw dropper.
Said it before and, weird as it sounds, no movie pissed me off more than "Legally Blonde". The witness identified as gay because he knew women's shoe brand (as if) so therefore couldn't be woman's lover (again, as if), already stupid enough -- but then he turns into raging queen on the spot and his fellow raging queen chimes in with "You bitch!"
I literally wanted to kill the two women who wrote that piece of shit. "Kill the gay" ala "Braveheart" is the worst but "Gay by cliched behavior" is really bad too.
|by Anonymous||reply 143||04/06/2012|
I haven't seen Elephant, but didn't they kiss because they were going to die? And of course together? That makes sense to me, poetically, no matter the character's gender and sexual orientation.
Gus main motivation was of course that he likes boys to kiss.
|by Anonymous||reply 144||04/06/2012|
A sad kiss before the end sounds nice and poetic... but this was a brief makeout session in the shower. Matter of fact, like they showered together all the time. Like I said, not sure if really offensive or just... bizarre. Watch film and report back what you think.
|by Anonymous||reply 145||04/06/2012|
The 1986 Clint Eastwood movie about the invasion of Grenada, "Heartbreak Ridge."
It inspired what is one of the funniest Pauline Kael reviews ever:
"It's well known that many people have strong feelings about anal intercourse, but it's doubtful if a whole movie had ever been devoted to the expression of those feelings until this one. Clint Eastwood, who directed, plays (so to speak) a Medal of Honor winner from the Korean War and a decorated Vietnam vet--a Marine gunner sergeant whose abhorrence of being put in a passive sexual position seems to be what makes him super-tough and manly. The marines in his platoon stand waiting while Old Gunny wraps his jowls around witless scurrilous insults, all involving what he's going to shove up their orifices. This should be the portrait of a pathetic vulgarian militarist with terrible anal-aggressive problems, but Eastwood presents him as a great fighting man, a relic of a time when men were men. And, in the last half hour, the film presents proof of what Gunny's training does for his platoon: it celebrates Grenada as a victory that evens the score, after a tie in Korea and a loss in Vietnam. This movie is offensive on just about every level."
|by Anonymous||reply 146||04/06/2012|
That is one of those ...sad attempts by gays that makes us look bad things. When Columbine happened a lot of gay people said, well they must be gay and oppressed. They weren't gay, they weren't oppressed, and they definitely never showered together. The right of course, insisted for years afterward that they were gay, but the evidence was all against that. However, some dumb little queens decided to make a movie portraying them as oppressed gays to make them more sympathetic. Mad and crazy self-loathing, the same way gays embraced Philadelphia for scaring the public into thinking their homophobia would be met by lawsuits, which never happened either in Philadelphia nor anywhere else.
Sometimes gays who don't think through what they are doing are as dumb and self-hating as homophobes.
|by Anonymous||reply 147||04/06/2012|
WINDOWS is on Youtube. It's truly one for the books. Ashley said she only took it because her agent advised her that she had turned down too many movie and TV roles to focus on Broadway work, and that if she kept doing that, the phones would stop ringing.
But a bizzare movie. Ashley's psychotic behavior is never explained, so it's assumed that because she's a lesbian, she's insane. She paid for Shire to get raped, so she could listen to the tapes. And WTF was up with Talia Shire getting back in the cab even though she knew the driver was the one who raped her?
|by Anonymous||reply 148||04/06/2012|
I found No Way Out totally unbelievable. A gay man is going to crush on Gene Hackman when Kevin Costner, in navy whites, is there?
|by Anonymous||reply 149||04/06/2012|
I just watched Evening (2007) the other day and while I wouldn't necessarily call it homophobic, it also wasn't the most progressive examination of the topic.
It was actually rather archiac (spoilers ahead if you've not seen it): Hugh Dancy's character is named Buddy, who has apparently been suppressing his desire for the housekeeper's hunky son (Patrick Wilson) for years, so much so that now he's a raging alcoholic, desperately trying to convince himself that he's in love with Claire Danes and when she publicly shames him, he stumbles after her and Wilson (who are heading off to make love) and gets killed by a hit-and-run driver.
You'd think it was 1957 and not 2007 when this movie was made. And to think that Michael Cunningham co-wrote the screenplay.
|by Anonymous||reply 150||04/06/2012|
R128, I agree that's the moral of the story. But I see it as a poor, even if it can be accurate in hopefully very few cases, potrayal of homosexuals.
|by Anonymous||reply 152||04/07/2012|
[quote]WINDOWS is on Youtube. It's truly one for the books. Ashley said she only took it because her agent advised her that she had turned down too many movie and TV roles to focus on Broadway work, and that if she kept doing that, the phones would stop ringing. But a bizzare movie. Ashley's psychotic behavior is never explained, so it's assumed that because she's a lesbian, she's insane. She paid for Shire to get raped, so she could listen to the tapes. And WTF was up with Talia Shire getting back in the cab even though she knew the driver was the one who raped her?
Thanks, r148 - I've wanted to see this for years and watched it last night after reading your post.
It was directed by one of the all-time great cinematographers, Gordon Willis, so it was inexplicable how bad it looked (Willis never directed again). Elizabeth Ashley is the most understated she's ever been - she actually looks embarrassed much of the time. Talia Shire just cries and looks catatonic.
Besides the homophobic aspect, none of this makes any sense whatsoever... we never find out how or why these women know each other. The part where Shire realizes her cab driver was her rapist, convinces him to let her out to make a call, then gets back in the cab and lets him drive her away is a high point in implausible cinema.
You know from the beginning that Talia Shire's cat is in for it (particularly after it scratches Ashley), and I really didn't want to see its mangled corpse, but when it happens it's such a fake, ludicrous dime-store model of a cat that I busted out laughing. Hard to believe this was the same man who made "Annie Hall" and the Godfather movies look so good.
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|by Anonymous||reply 154||04/07/2012|
From Slap Shot, the most homophobic lines of all time:
Reggie Dunlop: You know, your son looks like a fag to me.
Anita McCambridge: I beg your pardon?
Reggie Dunlop: You better get re-married again, or he's gonna have someone's cock in his mouth before you can say Jack Robinson.
|by Anonymous||reply 155||04/07/2012|
Slap Shot is a movie about moron hockey players, R155, what did you expect? But at the same time it had Paul Newman walking around in head-to-toe leather outfits. Go figure.
|by Anonymous||reply 156||04/07/2012|
I don't think Children's Hour should be lumped in with the others. The characters are handled sensitively - and James Garner's character is not particularly judgmental. Characters in the film are "homophobic" (even though that wasn't a word in the 1960s). The fact that Shirley's character say's "I'm sick" and hangs herself may come from homophobia, both internal and external but it doesn't mean the film is homophobic.
|by Anonymous||reply 157||04/07/2012|
"Freebie And The Bean" - probably around 1975. Alan Arkin, and real life homophobe, James Caan, star as 2 detectives. All I remember, is at the end of the movie, in Candlestick Park bathroom, Caan , and a tranny, have a fight, with the tranny starting to kick Caan senseless, with her pumps, while he calls her some vile names. Then, of course, Caan gets up , with a magnum 44, and shoots her several times, in slo-mo, watching her body explode, with bullets, while the audience cheered. Never forgot it. Made me sick.
|by Anonymous||reply 158||04/07/2012|
'American Beauty' has the friendly high-achieving gay couple who, as new neighbours, call on the closet case. Their decency and warmth makes him and his reactions look shabby.
Also when Spacey rejects the closet case he does it with gentleness, even understanding. This makes the closet look even more twisted and trapped. But then he's a Nazi as well, which helps.
|by Anonymous||reply 159||04/07/2012|
Gee, all this time and nobody has mentioned the gay assassins in Diamonds are Forever? Again, when they get flambe-ed at the end the audience cheered.
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|by Anonymous||reply 161||04/07/2012|
Not so much tragically homophobic as a cop-out and severely missed opportunity from people who should have known better:
James Garner professing his love to Victor in "Victor/Victoria", the sweet line "I don't care if you ARE a man." Could've been such a wonderful ode to love finding its own way (ala "Crying Game").
Instead, they have to show James Garner beforehand sneaking around and seeing Julie Andrews topless so he knows she is a woman. Total butch assurance bullshit that ruined an otherwise great film -- or, should I say, a potentially great film.
Gays embraced it anyway but I'm not sure why. Guess we'll settle for crumbs. But big time cop out.
|by Anonymous||reply 162||04/07/2012|
Sleeping Beauty. It's not what they say, it's what they don't say.
|by Anonymous||reply 163||04/07/2012|
I guess I am the James Garner troll but when James says "I don't care if you ARE a man" in Victor/Victoria, he delivers the line in a way that shows there is still some doubt in his mind, but fuck it - he doesn't care. Granted it's a musical comedy set in musical comedy land, but that would be a rather daring thing for a theoretically straight man to say in 1934.
|by Anonymous||reply 164||04/08/2012|
And don't forget that Victor/Victoria had Alex Karras playing a gay man. Of course, it also had Robert Preston playing a gay stereotype...
|by Anonymous||reply 165||04/08/2012|
[quote]Casey Donovan's 'Boys in the Sand' was most certainly NOT shown in public theaters.
That is not true.
[quote]Boys in the Sand had its theatrical debut on December 29, 1971, at the 55th Street Playhouse in New York City. Poole engaged in an unprecedented pre-release publicity campaign, including screening parties and full-page ads in The New York Times and Variety.
[quote]The film made back most of its production and promotions budget the day it opened, grossing close to $6,000 in the first hour, and nearly $25,000 during its first week, landing it on Variety's list of the week's 50 top grossing films. Positive word of mouth spread and the film was favorably reviewed in Variety ("There are no more closets!"), The Advocate ("Everyone will fall in love with this philandering fellator.") and other outlets, which previously had completely ignored the genre. While some critics were less impressed, others saw the film as akin to the avant-garde work of directors like Kenneth Anger and Andy Warhol. Within six months the film had grossed $140,000 and was continuing to open in theatres across the United States and around the world.
|by Anonymous||reply 166||04/08/2012|
I'd need to see the movie again -- but, again, that kiss would've been radical had he not known for a fact that Julie Andrews was a woman (he still could've found out after and the message be strong... he was attracted to/in love with someone that didn't fit his physical prototype, even in gender). Didn't he see her naked from the waist up through the window? (Sorry, getting senile with movie memories).
Again, not so offensive -- even Robert Preston was savvy enough not to bug me -- but a point defeater. I recall someone saying how offensive Lesley Ann Warren was (a mini-drag queen in and of herself) but can't remember why. But guys were all over it anyway, then and now.
|by Anonymous||reply 167||04/09/2012|
The Childrens Hour was a great movie. I can see why Shirley McClaine would say that she was sick in the head. She knew she was in love with her best friend and this film was made in 1962. Were they still locking us up back then? You have to remember society as a whole was taught that these feelings were not just a sign of mental illness, but an actual sickness in and of itself.
|by Anonymous||reply 168||04/09/2012|
55th Street Playhouse was a porn palace, not a regular theater.
|by Anonymous||reply 169||04/10/2012|
When somebody says this is their favorite movie, I think often times this is one of the reasons.
|by Anonymous||reply 171||08/05/2012|
Anything Adam Sandler.
|by Anonymous||reply 172||08/05/2012|
That's odd, since Paul Newman was so pro-gay. He said he was never homophobic and it always bothered him that other people were so judgmental about what people do in their bedrooms.
|by Anonymous||reply 173||08/05/2012|
|by Anonymous||reply 174||08/05/2012|
He may have had that belief system later in life, R173. But, during Slap Shot, he didn't - or didn't enough to say "let's rethink the anti-gay lines in this film."
|by Anonymous||reply 175||08/05/2012|
"Boys Beware": here's the whole thing.
|by Anonymous||reply 176||08/05/2012|
I believe Newman when he said he was never anti-gay. You may not know it but he was trying to get a pro-gay movie made in the 70s called The Runner, which he planned to star in. But even as the superstar he was, there was too much studio resistance to ever get it made. I don't doubt that Slap Shot has homophobia in it, but Newman must've thought it was just a character study, a realistic portrayal of homophobic jocks.
|by Anonymous||reply 177||08/05/2012|
Maybe you're right, R177. Good points.
|by Anonymous||reply 178||08/05/2012|
178 posts and no mention of IRREVERSIBLE?
The most homophobic film of all time. The beginning at the gay club is unbelievable but then as the film progresses the gay killer rapes Monica Bellucci. Yes, a gay man rapes a woman.
Gaspar Noé is shit.t
|by Anonymous||reply 179||08/05/2012|
"A Different Story" ... Yikes. Thanks R36, I was wracking my brain trying to remember the title of that awfulness.
I agree with everyone who hated Braveheart, awful piece of made-up, homophobic, bullshit.
Not the same thing, but this thread brought it to mind; I was watching "The Daytrippers" on Lifetime one day, purely by random chance. There's a gay kiss right near the end, which is the whole point of the movie, and Lifetime cut it.
|by Anonymous||reply 180||08/05/2012|
Thousands expected to attend Our Lady of Guadalupe celebration
August 5, 2012 | 12:02 pm
Tens of thousands of people are expected to crowd into the Coliseum for a celebration Sunday afternoon honoring Our Lady of Guadalupe, an event organizers described as the "largest celebration of the Virgin Mary in a generation."
More than 100,000 tickets were ordered for the celebration, which will be hosted by the Archdiocese of Los Angeles and the Knights of Columbus. The event is scheduled to begin at 3 p.m., but organizers urged those with tickets to arrive well ahead of time to avoid traffic. Doors will open at 12:30 p.m.
The roughly three-hour program will feature musical performances and prayers led by notables including baseball player Mike Piazza and [bold]"Braveheart" producer Steve McEveety.[/bold]
Archbishop Jose Gomez is listed among the keynote speakers.
Catholics have long revered the symbol of Our Lady of Guadalupe, who was said to have appeared in the 1500s to Juan Diego on a hillside near Mexico City. The Archdiocese of Los Angeles houses the only relic of Juan Diego's tilma â the cloak upon which the Virgin Mary left her image â in the United States.
|by Anonymous||reply 181||08/05/2012|
The Hangover owns this thread.
|by Anonymous||reply 182||08/05/2012|
More like, just guys doing guys, R182.
|by Anonymous||reply 183||08/05/2012|
The Wizard of Oz
Witch) Who killed my sister
Dorothy) I did I hate lezzies
Witch) Stop don't throw that water
Dorothy) I love Anita Bryant
|by Anonymous||reply 184||08/05/2012|
Her image was stunningly labial, R181. I always wondered if she was trying to tell us something.
|by Anonymous||reply 185||08/05/2012|
The Birdcage was pretty effective at demonizing gays.
|by Anonymous||reply 186||08/05/2012|
|by Anonymous||reply 187||10/01/2012|
R80, "The Boys Next Door" (1985) with Charlie Sheen and Maxwell Caulfield.
|by Anonymous||reply 188||10/01/2012|
That awful one with Cuba Gooding where he goes on the boat cruise which turns out to be a gay cruise ... Roger Moore also turns up to poke fun at the gays.
Those movies like The Sergeant (Steiger shoots himself when he realises he loves John Philip Law) and Sinatra's The Detective in the 60s where gays are just fags to be abused - the gay bar in Advise and Consent in 1962 is like one of the circles of hell as we see Don Murray's horror looking at it and of course his navy buddy ends up in the gutter as Don flees in a taxi .... now of course he too has to kill himself .
Barbra's character in The Owl and the Pussycat taunts George Segal that he is a fag - as does Dyan Cannon to John Philip Law again in The love Machine - if she can prove he is a fag he can be fired from his tv job!
|by Anonymous||reply 189||10/01/2012|
|by Anonymous||reply 190||10/01/2012|
In reality, there are a lot of homophobic people out there, but i don't believe that in cinema there are really any homophobic films. In cinema, homosexuality is not considered as a disease even when the characters seem somehow grotesque. There are characters in movies that loath gays in general, but what counts is the gist of the movie that does not approve of that hate. I have never seen a movie that is a propaganda against homosexuality. Usually, it's the critics of a movie that can be homophobic, not the film itself.
|by Anonymous||reply 191||11/12/2012|
|by Anonymous||reply 192||11/15/2012|
When I saw the Weimar-era German film that "Victor/Victoria" is based on I was astonished at how completely gayness-free it was. The original German character who draws Viktoria into the world of female impersonation (the precursor to Robert Preston) is himself a professional female impersonator, straight offstage (he's given a female romantic interest of his own). And the James Garner character (played by the real-life gay Anton Walbrook) is a hetero who figures out early on that "Viktor" is really a girl and playfully makes her do guy things that she has trouble pulling off, like allowing herself to be shaved with a straight razor and smoking cigars.
|by Anonymous||reply 193||11/15/2012|
What can I do for you, r192?
|by Anonymous||reply 194||11/15/2012|
[quote] ...gays embraced Philadelphia for scaring the public into thinking their homophobia would be met by lawsuits, which never happened either in Philadelphia nor anywhere else.
"The events in the film are similar to the events in the lives of attorneys Geoffrey Bowers and Clarence B. Cain.
Bowers was an attorney who in 1987 sued the law firm Baker & McKenzie for wrongful dismissal in one of the first AIDS discrimination cases. Cain was an attorney for Hyatt Legal Services who was fired after his employer found out he had AIDS. He sued Hyatt in 1990 and won just before his death."
|by Anonymous||reply 195||01/05/2013|
Most movies, even insignificant, have homophobia in them. It's an inherent flaw in the world. Thankfully, it's becoming more and more unacceptable.
|by Anonymous||reply 196||01/05/2013|
R179 wins. I'm horrified that that homophobic movie didn't get more press. I felt similarly horrified when the Chick-Fil-A bigots turned out en masse.
|by Anonymous||reply 197||01/05/2013|
They Only Kill Their Masters plot concerns a lesbian being killed by a doberman and investigators James Garner and Katherine Ross think it's the most hilarious thing they've ever come across.
|by Anonymous||reply 198||01/05/2013|
Clint Eastwood films...
|by Anonymous||reply 199||01/05/2013|
Slap Shot (1977). I became physically ill with all the "fag bashing" and rampant homophobia in that film. I was only 16 when I saw it, but I walked out before it was over. VILE.
|by Anonymous||reply 200||01/06/2013|
Silence of the lambs is NOT homophobic. Buffalo Bill is based on Ed Gein, who was a real and did make a suit out of women, as well as other objects. Simple as that.
|by Anonymous||reply 201||01/26/2013|
R199 Clint Eastwood films are not homophobic. Clint may be moving into Rethug territory politically, but he supports gay rights and even went on record a little over a year ago saying he supports gay marriage. He may have stupidly supported a jackass in the last election, but he's not homophobic. As a matter of fact, his 1974 movie 'Thunderbolt & Lightfoot' was probably one of the most HOMO-EROTIC movies of all-time. A great movie, too. He and young Jeff Bridges looked totally hot for each other throughout.
|by Anonymous||reply 202||01/26/2013|
I agree with R202. I have seen most of Eastwood's movies and I can't recall any homophobia in any of them. I love the line in Magnum Force where one cop tells Harry Callahan that three rookie sharp-shooter cops are rumored to be 'queer for each other'. Eastwood's Callahan replied, "If everybody shot like them, I wouldn't care if the entire force was queer." That was 1973. He did speak out supporting gay marriage too===
|by Anonymous||reply 203||01/26/2013|
R201 Agreed. Silence of the Lambs was NOT homophobic at all.
|by Anonymous||reply 204||01/26/2013|
Anyone remember the self loathing gay killer after Lauren Bacall in the Fan?
|by Anonymous||reply 206||01/27/2013|
"Reflections in a Golden Eye", with Marlon Brando, Elizabeth Taylor and Robert Forster. One of Brando's top performances. Directed by John Huston.
|by Anonymous||reply 207||01/27/2013|
[quote]Anyone remember the self loathing gay killer after Lauren Bacall in the Fan?
He wanted hearts, not diamonds.
|by Anonymous||reply 208||01/27/2013|
Hearts, Not Diamonds was by Tim Rice and Hamlisch, wtf?!
Yet the staging looks like knock-off Fosse doing Kander and Ebb.
|by Anonymous||reply 209||01/27/2013|
Whats amusing now is listening to how the word 'fag' is bandied about in those 60s-70ish films like Valley of the Dolls, The Detective, The Love Machine etc. where gays are routinely dismissed as fags. The Detective is very homophobic actually, where Sinatra and his police pals trash the gays who are seen as pathetic outsiders - the murderer of the gay man would rather be seen as a murderer than a homosexual.
Dyan Cannon particularly relishes the word in The Love Machine where she can get John Philip Law sacked from his tv job if she can prove he is a fag ! Delirious !
Going from trash to class, Billy Wilder was very dismissive of gays too and routinely called them fags, though he was friendly with David Hockney in his later years, so he may have releted.
|by Anonymous||reply 210||01/27/2013|
There is a freezing rain advisory in Chicago.
DO NOT...REPEAT...DO NOT go out unless you have to, and then use EXTREME...REPEAT...EXTREME caution.
Have a great day.
|by Anonymous||reply 211||01/27/2013|
"Irreversible" wins this thread.
|by Anonymous||reply 212||01/27/2013|
Not film, but it's surprising to see reruns of THREE's COMPANY and the homophobia it had.
|by Anonymous||reply 213||01/27/2013|
I agree that Silence of the Lambs was not a homophobic movie. Buffalo Bill was not presented as gay but self-hating to the point that he thought he was transgender -- that's what really gets portrayed in a negative light, not homosexuality.
|by Anonymous||reply 214||01/27/2013|
Braveheart. For, among so many other things, having Wallace sire Edward III. Isabella never fucked Wallace. In fact she was nine years old at the time Wallace died.
That entire plot device, straight stud fathers King of England, depriving Edward II of his fatherhood and virility, let alone his humanity, is vile.
It's a throwback to an earlier time as well as a sensationalistic lie.
|by Anonymous||reply 215||01/27/2013|
It was homophobic because we didn't have just Buffalo Bill. We also had Hannibal Lechter. Duh.
|by Anonymous||reply 216||01/27/2013|
I think it is The Boys in the Band. It played up all the gay stereotypes, mainly the destructive qualities.
|by Anonymous||reply 217||01/27/2013|
R217, I am an eldergay and I agree with you about The Boys in the Band. I saw it in 1970, as a young man, and it almost drove me back into the closet. I did not want to be like any of those screaming, screeching, womanly cunts. I hated it, because it seemed to show gays as homophobic straights saw us (limp-wristed, squealing, diva-ish, catty, loud, obnoxious, and promiscuous).
|by Anonymous||reply 218||01/27/2013|
2. Slap Shot
|by Anonymous||reply 219||01/27/2013|
The Hunger Games. All the people in evil Capitol City seem to be very gay.
None of the good guys in the Districts look anything but straight.
|by Anonymous||reply 220||01/27/2013|
Braveheart terrified me when I saw it in a theatre and the entire audience CHEERED LOUDLY when the gay prince got thrown out of the castle window, falling to his death.
That prince did not even exist historically. Mel Gibson wrote him into the story so he could kill a faggot. And Jodie Foster evidently never asked Melabout this.
|by Anonymous||reply 221||01/27/2013|
If you want to see Edward II get his due, albeit in a blatant fantasy, read Ken Follett's World Without End and watch the miniseries where Ben Chaplin plays the role heroically and with great dignity. Of course it's just as historically unfaithful as Braveheart but it's blatantl.
|by Anonymous||reply 222||01/27/2013|
CRUISING was made by a gay man as a reaction to gay-bashing. DUH.
|by Anonymous||reply 223||02/11/2013|
|by Anonymous||reply 225||02/11/2013|
The Wizard of Oz. It's so clear that the tinman wanted to shove his tin schlong up the lion's butt. He was jonesing for it the entire time.
The wicked witches were clealy lezzers. And the flying gay monkeys? That film was the most homophobic thing ever to come out of Hollywood.
|by Anonymous||reply 226||02/11/2013|
a friend and I walked out after the Vincent Gallo character freaked out over something gay that involved a bathroom stall maybe, I can't even remember. just boring and pretentious
also Magic Mike for cutting out all the homosex between all the dancers that was going on 24/7, sanitizing Carol O'Neal's stripper past and adding female love interests to make it a chick film.
oh, and Deliverance
|by Anonymous||reply 227||02/11/2013|
Mean street with harvey keitel.
|by Anonymous||reply 228||02/11/2013|
I sort of agree with a sentiment someone expressed upthread. Sometimes dated movies' bigotries are so removed from what we actually experience, it doesn't even offend. The movie just seems like some bizarre artifact from an alien place and time.
I was a senior in high school when Cruising came out and I refused to see it. There were actual protests at screenings not to mention that a couple of murders were attributed to the film. (That is, straight guys watching the film and decided to bash queers to death).
But about 20 years later I saw the film, and though I recognized it for the piece of homophobic shit that it is, the depiction of gay bars and gay sex was just laughably off base.
Just because you're not personally offended by a film, or book or t.v. show, it doesn't mean the film/ show/ book isn't actually selling homophobia. I always think it's funny that the troll whose message is we should just "toughen up" is too stupid to realize there's nothing tough about just taking shit from others.
|by Anonymous||reply 229||02/11/2013|
SLAP SHOT. HATED, HATED, HATED THAT HOMOPHOBIC PIECE OF SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
|by Anonymous||reply 230||02/11/2013|
Anything with that fascist Deanna Durbin.
|by Anonymous||reply 231||02/11/2013|
This is obviously the most of all time. I give you this.
|by Anonymous||reply 232||03/23/2013|
For R221:The gay prince did exist historically, he was Edward II. He did have a gay lover and a French wife but everything else in Braveheart was pure horseshit.
|by Anonymous||reply 233||03/23/2013|
|by Anonymous||reply 234||03/23/2013|
R221, we've addressed this issue repeatedly about history. At least TRY to read some other responses.
|by Anonymous||reply 236||05/27/2013|
Just saw a homophobic start to "High Anxiety." Mel Brooks was a homophobe.
|by Anonymous||reply 237||05/27/2013|
He said that's why he did it, but obviously he had been reading up on Nazi atrocities and that's what fascinated him.
|by Anonymous||reply 239||05/27/2013|
There is zero evidence Ed Gein was homosexual.
|by Anonymous||reply 240||05/27/2013|
Blazing Saddles. That ending is atrocious.
|by Anonymous||reply 241||05/27/2013|
Gotta go with Eddie Murphy's "Delirious" (1983) and especially "Raw" (1987). I always hated his stand-up. All he ever did was rip off the far superior Richard Pryor. I hate Eddie Murphy with the heat of 1,000 suns. As we've learned, his homophobia seems to stem from self-hatred. What, with all the tranny encounters and his supposed long-time live in love affair with R & B singer Johnny Gill.
I think Eddie Murphy is the vilest sleaze bag on Earth! His homophobia at a time when gays were dying in vast numbers from AIDS and his lack of sympathy. He treated AIDS like a joke in the venomous "Delirious" pile of shit. His "comedy" was garbage. The only movie of his I ever saw at a theater was "Beverly Hills Cop" and, once again, there was the homophobia (where he put on the limp-wrist act in the restaurant and said to tell the gentleman he had herpes simplex #10. Horrid.
I am not a sniffly crybaby, but I have no tolerance for that snarky, unfunny bastard. It's okay for him to swallow a tranny's cock in a back alley in WeHo or get fucked up the pooter by Johnny Gill, but he makes fun of gays for giving people "that new AIDS shit." God, I hate him. A grease fire is to pleasant for his homophobic ass.
|by Anonymous||reply 243||11/22/2013|
243, I hate Eddie Murphy too. His '80s standup was pure hate and homophobia. He wore those red and purple leather suits and looked like the Queen of the Castro while he spent 90 minutes complaining about "fags" and "faggots" and prissing to imitate gays. He is a vile and terrible person. I never found him to be funny. I have never seen any of his movies (save 'Delirious' on HBO around '83. It made me sick to my stomach) and never will. He was not even funny on SNL back then. I never understood the appeal. He can't act either. I think he's a very closeted gay man too. A 'Down-Low Bro".
|by Anonymous||reply 244||11/22/2013|
Eddie Murphy eats da poo-poo.
Most homophobic movies I have seen:
1. Eddie Murphy Delirious (1983)
2. Eddie Murphy Raw (1987)
3. Slap Shot (1977)
4. Cruising (1980)
5. Boat Trip (with Cuba Gooding Jr.)
|by Anonymous||reply 245||11/22/2013|
Suppose there are elements of homophobia: "MASH" (movie version), dentist has performance issues with a visiting nurse, fears he might be a "fairy," wants to commit suicide and is later tricked into being cured of his problem when he is able to have sex with a woman. "Advise and Consent," young family man senator commits suicide after being blackmailed about a past gay relationship.
|by Anonymous||reply 246||11/22/2013|
Not a movie, but I think The Hills and The City is really homophobic, but I think all MTV shows are, it's the fact gay men are totally omitted form the shows.
|by Anonymous||reply 247||11/22/2013|
|by Anonymous||reply 250||02/24/2014|
"The Choirboys" from the late 1970s. Incredibly homophobic. Every negative gay stereotype you could imagine, plus deliberate brutalization of gay characters.
I don't think "Cruising" was homophobic at all. It was a very raw serial killer story, set in the gay leather community. Not a well-made movie by any means, but not homophobic.
|by Anonymous||reply 251||02/24/2014|
Any Adam Sandler comedy. He doesn't get satire.
There is a hockey movie, I can't remember the name of it.
|by Anonymous||reply 252||02/24/2014|
THE DETECTIVE (68), starring Ronan Farrow's father.
|by Anonymous||reply 253||02/24/2014|
What R69 said. TSOTL has an exchange where Lechter claims BB wants to become a woman and is killing women to make a "woman suit", and Starling immediately questions that transgenderism would motivate someone to become a serial killer, emphatically stating that transsexuals are largely docile and non-violent. Lechter counters that BB is not a true transsexual, but that he has deep self-loathing and will stop at nothing to recreate himself.
Or something like that. The point is clearly made: Buffalo Bill is pathological, unlike a true transgendered person.
The cries of homophobia over this masterpiece are really tiresome after all these years. Control your knee-jerk and sit down and watch the movie for once.
|by Anonymous||reply 254||02/24/2014|
[quote]Not too long ago, there was a British mini-series called BOB AND ROSE, in which a gay man winds up being attracted to a woman and they fall in love.
This happened to me after being out for well over a decade. Why is it unfit for portrayal in film?
|by Anonymous||reply 255||02/24/2014|
OP, you completely lose credibility by saying that Cruising...a movie about a gay serial killer...is "accurate". You're the homophobe, darlin'.
|by Anonymous||reply 257||02/24/2014|
R249...calling others "idiots"?? Oh the irony!!
|by Anonymous||reply 258||02/24/2014|
Anyone mentioning Wizard of Oz in this thread needs serious glasses. The whole film is gay. It is life-affirming. It is one of the gay-est films I have ever seen. If this film isn't pro-gay, I don't know what is.
|by Anonymous||reply 259||02/24/2014|
Irreversible. What a crap shit of a movie.
|by Anonymous||reply 260||02/24/2014|
R255...oh yes, the audience zoomed right in on that scene that 'explained' that transgender people are 'docile'.
Meanwhile, the rest of the movie is about a psycho-cross dressing fag with a poodle. But NO one noticed that.
|by Anonymous||reply 261||02/24/2014|
Although the movie CLUE is a fun little "bad" movie, and Madeleine Kahn is a hoot in it as Mrs. White, one thing annoys me about it a lot.
The twist/gimmick of the movie is that, like the board game, the solution could be anything, so the movie was filmed with three different possible endings and different theaters got different endings.
In two versions, Mr. Green is gay and is basically a stupid, pathetic buffoon all through the movie. In the third ending, however, Mr. Green turns out to be the hero who saves the day - but, then they have to reveal that he was only PRETENDING to be gay and was really heterosexual all along!
Ughh... so a character can be gay and a helpless, screaming, cowardly idiot... or he can be strong, smart, brave..... and oh yeah, his homosexuality was just a ruse.... because those traits can't possibly all go together.
|by Anonymous||reply 262||02/24/2014|
Partners (1982) is really offensive.
|by Anonymous||reply 263||02/24/2014|
Gold: Braveheart Silver: Irreversible Bronze: Waiting
|by Anonymous||reply 264||02/24/2014|
One for you, girls:
Twice a Woman with Anthony Perkins (playing an uber straight male - hilarious).
Bergman's Bibi Andersson plays Perkins' ex wife, a museum curator who falls in love with a young woman.
The film has to be seen to be believed. Euro film 1980s
Have a listen to Perkins .. and a bit of ridiculous dialogue.
|by Anonymous||reply 265||02/24/2014|
I heard about the movie "Windows," starring Talia Share and Elizabeth Ashley is one of the most homophobic films of all time. The director later apologized for making it.
|by Anonymous||reply 266||02/24/2014|
Windows isn't as homophobic as it is dull. It's sleazy as hell, but without any gore or nudity. It's like a lesbian Fatal Attraction, but without the motivation. The Ashley character is just insane and never had a relationship with the Shire character.
It's just boring, but Ashley really gives a great, creepy performance.
It's kinda sad how we can't have gay/lesbian villains without the p.c. police freaking out.
|by Anonymous||reply 267||02/25/2014|
[quote]It's kinda sad how we can't have gay/lesbian villains without the p.c. police freaking out.
I think the point that is trying to be made is that until very recently nearly all gay characters in film were deranged in one form or another.
|by Anonymous||reply 268||02/25/2014|
|by Anonymous||reply 269||03/05/2014|
What about A Different Story with Perry King and Meg Foster? It's a legitimately charming and well made/acted film about a gay man and a lesbian falling in love, having sex, and raising a baby together.
Keep in mind, that it's not a story about 2 bi-sexuals, they're both shown as exclusively gay and lesbian until they have too much to drink.
It's weird, but I kinda like the movie anyway.
|by Anonymous||reply 270||03/05/2014|
Well, you're self loathing. It's not charming, it's creepy and hateful.
That's the problem with DL. Too many closeted creeps who defend movies like "A Different Story" and "Windows".
|by Anonymous||reply 271||03/06/2014|
Windows is a boring piece of shit, but A Different Story is a sweet, entertaining movie even if it is a fairy tale.
|by Anonymous||reply 272||03/06/2014|
I've read all the posts and I don't recall anyone mentioning "The Fox". It had many good production qualities but was the standard "gay character must die at the end" story.
|by Anonymous||reply 273||03/06/2014|
I watched an art movie at a film fest that offered the shallowest, dullest, and most depressing vision of what a gay man's life is like. It was called "Dawson's 50-Load Weekend."
|by Anonymous||reply 274||03/06/2014|
There's a thread kicking around somewhere about "The Music Lovers", Ken Russell's 1970 film about Tchaikovsky.
The film shows Tchaikovsky desperately trying to connect with women, and being horrified every time his homosexuality kicks in. As I said, it's like watching a straight men show what gay men are like, if the straight man had failed to ask any gay men about their experience and just made everything up.
|by Anonymous||reply 275||03/06/2014|
I would put Sorority Boys(2002) up as being not only juvenile and misogynistic but also very homophobic. The trailer featuring Harland Williams seemed like it was going to be funny, but it ended up being a F movie and downright offensive to boot. The premise was 3 frat boys dressed up in drag trying to pass as girls with hilarity ensuing. I should have known it was going to be bad when I was the only person in the theater. I ended up walking out of it, when the frat boys started fencing with double headed dildos. I never saw how the film ended, but it remains one of only 2 films that I ever walked out of.
|by Anonymous||reply 276||03/06/2014|
I saw Braveheart in the theater and no one started "clapping and cheering and saying 'Death to faggots'" when the one character was tossed out the window. That sounds like bullshit to me.
|by Anonymous||reply 277||03/06/2014|
R201 Of course Silence of the Lambs is homophobic. Why did they feel the need to turn a character that was based on Ed Gein, a mentally ill but straight guy, into a raging gay transvestite whateverthingy?
|by Anonymous||reply 278||03/06/2014|
any tom cruise film
|by Anonymous||reply 279||03/06/2014|
In Ralph Bakshi's [italic]Fritz the Cat[/italic], a female character says, "You're a fucking bunch of Nazi fags." R. Crumb hated the movie version so much, he killed off the character in his own comics.
|by Anonymous||reply 280||11/09/2014|
[quote]I agree in regards to "The Lion King". I normally love me some Disney, but I've only watched that movie once (I have it on VHS). The gay villain was just completely unnecessary in a children's film - that's just wrong and damaging to susceptible minds.
In [italic]Lion King II[/italic], he had a pride of his own and some lionesses to provide him with cubs. That came out of nowhere.
And this dialogue exchange:
[quote]Simba: You're weird.
[quote]Scar: Oh, you have no idea.
is a reference to a virtually identical exchange Jeremy Irons, the voice of Scar, had with Ron Silver in [italic]Reversal of Fortune[/italic].
Did either Nathan Lane or Elton John ever voice any concern about whether they thought Scar was gay? In light of some of Jeremy Irons' recent comments, I don't honestly know.
|by Anonymous||reply 281||11/09/2014|
Mrs Doubtfire. My he only gays in the movie (which took place in San Francisco) were a couple of flaming makeup artists.
|by Anonymous||reply 282||11/09/2014|
To all the ignorant people saying Mel Gibson invented a gay character in Braveheart. The gay prince is Edward II, who historically is said to be gay. Marlowe wrote a gay romance called Edward II in the late 1500's which is what Gibson based the character and the boyfriend on. Edward II was said to have died when his wife jammed a redhot poker up his but and took the throne as Queen without any dispute because Edward II was a weak king more obsessed with chasing boys than ruling the country.
|by Anonymous||reply 283||04/08/2015|
How can someone claim Ed Gein does not fall under the LGBT banner? He had sex with teenage and young adult males and not just with the ones he murdered. He also was known to secretly dress as woman. You can't just pick the LGBTs you like and say they were born that way and then claim the ones you don't like were just straight people with a mental illness that made them want to have same sex and cross-dress.
|by Anonymous||reply 284||04/08/2015|
r262, thank you, Clue was shamelessly homophobic, but of course DL airheads consider it a camp classic anyway.
|by Anonymous||reply 285||04/08/2015|
I like the idea of middle class suburban couples going to a dinner club to watch "Boys in the Sand."
|by Anonymous||reply 286||04/08/2015|
Interesting reading some of the previous posts. Disney has many villains that seem gay or at least asexual. (None of them have a partner, they only have evil sidekicks!)
The Lion King -- Scar is a sulking gay lion.
Aladdin -- Jafar is a gay vizier with a bird fetish.
Beauty and the Beast -- Gaston (Okay, so he's bi)
The Little Mermaid -- Ursula, tentacled dyke.
Cinderella -- Lady Tremaine seems like a jealous, closeted lesbian.
Peter Pan -- Captain Hook is angry at Peter Pan's carefree fairy lifestyle.
Jungle Book -- Shere Kahn is an erudite gay tiger.
101 Dalmatians -- Cruella DeVil is a sexually frustrated but fashionable lipstick lez who takes out her aggression on puppies.
Pocahontas -- Governor Ratcliffe is the gay villain; his manservant is the gay clown. (Both voiced by David Ogden Stiers)
|by Anonymous||reply 287||04/08/2015|
|by Anonymous||reply 288||04/08/2015|
[quote]Another Gay Movie. It wouldn't be so bad except for the one character.
Yes, that one is horrible.
|by Anonymous||reply 289||04/08/2015|
What's homophobic about "Another Gay Movie"?
|by Anonymous||reply 290||04/08/2015|
Slap Shot (1977). My high school boyfriend and I walked out on it. I can't believe a good liberal like Paul Newman would make such trash.
|by Anonymous||reply 291||04/08/2015|
the wolf of wall street
|by Anonymous||reply 292||04/08/2015|
In defense of "Slap Shot":
Yes, there was a lot of homophobic language in the film, delivered by a bunch of hockey-playing morons who were less evolved and less sophisticated than a troop of wild baboons. The homophobic comments they made weren't supposed to be correct, they were supposed to show how dumb, low-class, and provincial the hockey players were. The few characters who had average IQs and a little education did not talk that way.
That said, I do understand how listening to those idiots could destroy a person's enjoyment of the film.
|by Anonymous||reply 293||04/08/2015|
Haven't read the whole thread so maybe this movie has already been called out: Midnight Express. Even though it's based on a true story they left out the facts that Billy Hayes was never raped and that he had a consensual gay relationship while imprisoned in Turkey. Thank Alan Parker and Oliver Stone (screenwriter here) along with the homophobic Hollywood machine for leaving out those silly things that affirm homosexuality in a positive light.
|by Anonymous||reply 294||04/08/2015|
None of these hold a candle to the Eating Out or Not Another Gay Movie series, made even worse in that the creatives behind them were gay men. Unbearably offensive and stereotypical. I'd rather sit through three days of Eddie Murphy at his worst.
|by Anonymous||reply 295||04/08/2015|
[quote]What's homophobic about "Another Gay Movie"?
You've got to be fucking kidding me. Jerry Fallwell and Pat Robertson could have created the Jonah Blechman character.
|by Anonymous||reply 296||04/08/2015|
Braveheart is homophobic. Edward II may have been gay, but there is no evidence he was a limp-wristed, prancing queen. And despite what Gibson says about the scene where his lover is pushed out a window, it was not about how bad King Edward is...or at least that's not what the laughing and even cheering audiences got out of it.
Fuck you and fuck Mel Gibson with a red-hot poker.
|by Anonymous||reply 297||04/08/2015|
I've always been baffled by the outcry against "Cruising." It was a pretty accurate description of one side of NYC in the 70s.
|by Anonymous||reply 298||04/08/2015|
[quote]Edward II was said to have died when his wife jammed a redhot poker up his but
First of all, there has never been any sort of story [italic]whatsoever[/italic] that Queen Isabella sneaked into Berkeley Prison and [italic]herself[/italic] sodomized Edward II with a red-hot poker. That's just ridiculous.
There is a story, which is highly unreliable and which most medieval historians credit to propaganda, that Edward II was killed by henchmen in the prison with a red-hot poker shoved up his anus. But since his son Edward III had much to gain by spreading such a story (he overthrew his mother and her lover Mortimer, who had arranged to have Edward II imprisoned and whom Edward III hated), it probably never happened.
All we know for sure is that after he was imprisoned in Berkeley castle Edward II was announced to have died. He was likely murdered by his enemies, but it's fairly unlikely they killed him in that way.
|by Anonymous||reply 299||04/08/2015|
The Detective and Advise and Consent are not homophobic. They were early efforts to promote understanding and point out the tragic consequences of anti-gay bigotry. Otto Preminger, who directed Advise and Consent, and Frank Sinatra, who starred in The Detective, deserve credit for their willingness to tackle the plight of gay people in pre-Stonewall America.
|by Anonymous||reply 300||04/09/2015|
The Wedding Party
|by Anonymous||reply 301||04/09/2015|
You know how bitchy fags can be.
|by Anonymous||reply 302||04/09/2015|
party monster with the mcallister boy and seth green. Not everyone in NYC is gay and popping pills!
|by Anonymous||reply 303||04/09/2015|
|by Anonymous||reply 304||04/09/2015|
Braveheart is pretty gross. Mel Gibson really shows his heart of darkness with that scene. And everyone loved the scene and straight men still worship this movie. An example of the insidious, casual homophobia that pervades our culture still.
|by Anonymous||reply 305||04/09/2015|
Glad to see folks hate on SATC II. Woefully offensive. But even the series took a rather patronizing attitude toward gays. Look at Carrie and Stanford's relationship. It was like he always showed up to remind her in some way how lucky she was to be a straight woman.
|by Anonymous||reply 306||04/09/2015|
Has anyone mentioned BRAVEHEART? It was a Mel Gibson movie.
|by Anonymous||reply 307||06/26/2015|
There was a Paul Newman movie about hockey players but I can't remember the title. Has anyone seen it?
|by Anonymous||reply 308||06/26/2015|
R308, "Slap Shot"
|by Anonymous||reply 309||06/26/2015|
PARTNERS with Ryan O'Neal and John Hurt.
|by Anonymous||reply 310||06/27/2015|
R308 no it isnt - rather it's a spot on satire of that culture. And Paul Newman's great in it.
|by Anonymous||reply 311||06/27/2015|
As another poster stated, The Detective was not homophobic. It was, for the time, an ANTI-homophobic (since this was pre-Stonewall and there was no such thing as "pro gay") movie actually. Sinatra's character was sympathetic to the plight of how homosexuals were being treated. His "seen it all, tired" police detective character had redeeming qualities. And the depiction of those "meat truck on the docks" or whatever they were called where gay men convened under cover of darkness to grope around in the backs of panel trucks was accurate. That is, from many descriptions of men who were there, a popular thing for gay men in 1968. The way gay men had to live back then was pretty rough and the film simply depicted some of that. Not every gay person got murdered, of course, but it was wholly believable as to how the plot of the film developed. I think Sinatra was fairly gay friendly as long as the men were traditionally masculine and flew it under the radar. He detested effeminacy, although he, himself was not uber masculine. He was VERY close to Monty Clift during the filming of From Here to Eternity. I wonder what relationship they really had? He was a product of his era. It is known that he called Johnny Mathis the African Queen, though. Which is, if you think about it, kinda funny and clever.
|by Anonymous||reply 312||06/27/2015|
Sorry if this was mentioned.... I'm not sure Tennessee Williams did us any favors accessing his bottomless pit of self-loathing for the Grand Guignol of homophobia, "Suddenly, Last Summer" (1959), which only made it to the screen if the censors could fashion it as a cautionary tale for those considering the gay "lifestyle." From Wikipedia...
[quote]Working in conjunction with the National Legion of Decency, the Production Code Administration gave the filmmakers special dispensation to depict Sebastian Venable, declaring, "Since the film illustrates the horrors of such a lifestyle, it can be considered moral in theme even though it deals with sexual perversion."
Gore Vidal talks about how he had to slice up the screenplay...
|by Anonymous||reply 313||06/27/2015|
"Laura". Every odious stereotype of (1940s) gay men rolled into one Waldo Lydecker (Clifton Webb) who tries to murder his fag-hag/beard Laura (Gene Tierney).
|by Anonymous||reply 314||06/27/2015|
R314, interesting observations, but I still love the movie Laura.
|by Anonymous||reply 315||06/27/2015|
I don't think SLS is homophobic. It's written by a gay man and stars a gay man (and possibly a gay woman: Hepburn).
Sebastian isn't a killer or rapist, just a hugely closeted mama's boy ("He lived a chaste life!"- Aunt Vi). Everyone liked him.
If anything it's an indictment of the closet. If he hadn't had to slip around with prostitutes he might have lived a decent (though discreet!) life.
|by Anonymous||reply 316||06/27/2015|
Skip to 45:42
|by Anonymous||reply 317||06/27/2015|
I'm glad someone else mentioned "Legally Blonde." That's always bugged me, and it wasn't made so long ago either.
|by Anonymous||reply 318||06/28/2015|
It wasn't the most homophobic movie of all time, but I recently watched Legally Blonde and was surprised by homophobic the jokes were (despite being directed by a gay man).
|by Anonymous||reply 319||06/28/2015|
Sex and the City 2 was pretty homophobic in a way. Those raging stereotypes played for 'laughs' really set us back. I wonder how the fraus would feel if they were portrayed as ugly cliches....oh...wait, that's what Sex and the City was all about lol
|by Anonymous||reply 320||06/28/2015|
I really hope they don't do another SATC movie. No doubt Anthony and Stanford would be divorced, and Carrie would be trying her best to look sympathetic, yet still be blubbering about how 'hard' her life is now she's married to a very rich man, who can't be bothered to buy her they expensive gifts she feels she deserves YUK!
|by Anonymous||reply 321||06/28/2015|
The most lesbophobic movies are the ones where the "lesbian" is seduced by a guy. For example "The Humbling" with Al Pacino and "Chasing Amy" with Ben Affleck. Never could bring myself to watch either of them.
|by Anonymous||reply 322||06/28/2015|
[quote]Aladdin -- Jafar is a gay vizier with a bird fetish.
Um, no. Jafar tries to fuck Jasmine.
|by Anonymous||reply 323||06/28/2015|
Be glad you skipped "Chasing Amy", R322.
FYI the lesbian character tries to educate the straight guy about women's and same-sex issues for the first half of the film. And in the second half she does some things that are unbelievable, and show that the writer doesn't understand a damn thing about women or lesbians even though he thinks he does.
|by Anonymous||reply 324||06/29/2015|
Oh god, I forgot "Chasing Amy"! So fucking stupid and downright insulting.
|by Anonymous||reply 325||06/29/2015|
I had the misfortune to see "Chasing Amy," too. Where does one even begin?
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