Theater major, drug problems, one brief marriage... and he used to date Kristin Chenoweth. This indicates to me "self-loathing gay man". %0D %0D How can we facilitate his coming out process?
|by Anonymous||reply 62||06/12/2014|
Considering what a fatuous twit he is, let's not bother.
|by Anonymous||reply 1||03/01/2011|
He's self-loathing, but I don't think he's gay...thank God.
|by Anonymous||reply 2||03/01/2011|
Always thought that OP. But he really is insufferable and write boring scripts with very little character development.
|by Anonymous||reply 3||03/01/2011|
Don't forget about how he used Tom Hulce (sexually as well as financially) to get A FEW GOOD MEN first produced as a play...
|by Anonymous||reply 4||03/02/2011|
I find it very difficult to believe that he is straight and agree with OP's assessment, but I also think neither gay men nor straight women want him. Self-absorbed drug-addled orange-faced goon. :shudder:
|by Anonymous||reply 7||03/02/2011|
he seems manic....
|by Anonymous||reply 8||03/02/2011|
What's the story about him and Hulce?
|by Anonymous||reply 9||03/02/2011|
Sorkin was fresh out of college and totally unknown as a playwright. He had a rough draft of A FEW GOOD MEN that somehow got to Tom Hulce, then fresh off his Oscar-nominated role in AMADEUS.
Hulce liked the script and wanted to produce it and play the lead, but the script needed work. Sorkin seduced Hulce (literally) - he lived at Hulce's house, Hulce supported him and slept with him until the script was ready. Once the show opened on Broadway and was a hit, Sorkin left Hulce for the leading lady, Megan Gallagher.
When the play was sold to Rob Reiner to be made into the Tom Cruise movie version, Sorkin left for LA (with Gallagher) and went on to write "The American President" for Reiner and the "The West Wing". NEVER did anything to compensate Hulce for the time and money he put into launching Sorkin's career, not to mention Hulce's feeling used and abandoned.
Hulce left NY, went to Seattle, stopped acting, got FAT and disappeared for a while, until he re-emerged as a producer a few years later.
Basically, Sorkin used Hulce to get his career started. BITCH!
|by Anonymous||reply 10||03/02/2011|
i think he's bisexual perhaps.
ive met quite a few creative types here in Hollywood. But what really pisses me off are the ones that are married and have kids. So ive never messed around with them knowingly.
A few years back i did learn my lesson by not asking beforehand.
He was a married latino executive(yes they do exist)and we messed around at his place a few times- 3 or 4 i cant remember exactly.
I confronted him after my observations- the very discreet and time restrictions etc.
|by Anonymous||reply 11||03/02/2011|
What was the story with Gallagher (weht?) replaving Pamela Blair (the directors wife?!)
|by Anonymous||reply 12||03/02/2011|
Was it these events that caused Hulce to stop taking care of himself and become fat?
|by Anonymous||reply 13||03/02/2011|
I worked on one of his shows.%0D I would say that the folks here at DL pretty much have it right...
|by Anonymous||reply 14||03/02/2011|
Is he an example of the yellow skin troll's fetish?
|by Anonymous||reply 15||03/02/2011|
How did you learn all those details, R10?
|by Anonymous||reply 16||03/02/2011|
r10 is the psychic security guard
|by Anonymous||reply 17||03/02/2011|
So, basically his sin is that he dumped Hulce and got a career? Well, those things happen.
|by Anonymous||reply 18||03/02/2011|
It's so funny that someone created this topic because I was watching an interview Sorkin gave on 60 Minutes and couldn't help but to think he's a closeted gay man. He was quite attractive back in the day. Now...not so much. The drugs definitely did a number on his once good looks.
I'm not a fan of his style of writing. I always viewed him as a poor man's John Guare.
|by Anonymous||reply 19||03/02/2011|
|by Anonymous||reply 21||03/02/2011|
Hm, so what? I fail to see great drama. Of course, maybe Sorkin is asshole, but I don't see crime in what you wrote.
|by Anonymous||reply 22||03/02/2011|
Not a crime, obviously, just another using faggot asshole. Would it be a crime to push him over a cliff?
|by Anonymous||reply 23||03/02/2011|
Maybe Hulce was user in this situation? It's Sorkin who was depending on him, he was more powerful at the time.
|by Anonymous||reply 24||03/02/2011|
Social Network was the most boring script this year. "Kids Are Alright" had fire...and MUSIC!
|by Anonymous||reply 25||03/02/2011|
Yes, the bigger question in all this mess is how and why did the adorable young Tom Hulce, who played the boy in Equus on Broadway, allow himself to become such a slobby shlub?
|by Anonymous||reply 26||03/02/2011|
A lot of men become fat slobs. It seems Hulce is now just one of the millions in that statistic.
|by Anonymous||reply 27||03/02/2011|
In evaluating his attractiveness you people are forgetting something. He made a billion dollars on West Wing.
|by Anonymous||reply 28||03/02/2011|
I worked with Kristin Chenoweth at the time she was dating Sorkin and the two of them seemed to be entrely smitten with each other. She obviously like the big swarthy types as former bf Marc Kudisch was a better looking but similarly pompous version of Sorkin.
|by Anonymous||reply 29||03/03/2011|
I don't think I'd ever seen him speak more than two sentences at a time before 30 Rock last night and based on what I saw I also don't think I'd ever assume he wasn't gay if I met him at a dinner party. But I guess he could just be a straight cheeseball
|by Anonymous||reply 30||03/25/2011|
I did think it showed him to be somewhat of a good sport to not only appear on "30 Rock" but to let Tina Fey twit him about "Studio 60".%0D %0D The shows debuted the same year and were built up as major rivals since they both dealt with producing SNL-like TV shows.%0D %0D Sorkin lost that competition, badly.
|by Anonymous||reply 31||03/25/2011|
Sorkin has a fucking Best Screenplay Oscar now, R31, something he probably would not have if he was busy with a little TV show. If winning an Oscar is a sign of "losing" anything, sign me up!
What the fuck does Tiny Fey have? A shelf full of Emmys and GGs and the Mark Twain Award? Please. She has a long way to go to win an Oscar after dreck like BABY MAMA and DATE NIGHT (and, yes, she did the final rewrites of both scripts). MEAN GIRLS was fun for what it was, but it's no A FEW GOOD MEN or SOCIAL NETWORK.
|by Anonymous||reply 32||03/25/2011|
I am sure Sorkin thinks he would have no problem writing a hit TV show and a successful movie, and probably a Tony-nominated play too.
|by Anonymous||reply 33||03/25/2011|
I remember watching The West Wing a couple of times -- the guy who always identified himself as half-Jewish, when there is no such thing and the blonde girl who always swooned after him, that guy with the beard mincing around the hallways talking fast because that is what Aaron would say if he were in charge, the sad story of the secretary's twin boys dying together in Vietnam that turned into farce because the US wouldn't allow brothers to serve together in combat zones after the five Sullivans were all killed when the USS Juneau went down. The cheap anti-Muslim shots the "president" took at an Arab-American intern.
I did like the one where the bearded guy arranged for the homeless vet to be buried with full honors at Arlington.
Aaron would like to be Preston Sturges, but he is not.
|by Anonymous||reply 34||03/25/2011|
I'll give him credit, the man can write some snappy dialogue. But I think he suffers from some serious delusions of grandeur. During the press junkets for TSN, he repeatedly compared his work to Shakespeare and Aeschylus. Easy, Aaron.
|by Anonymous||reply 35||03/25/2011|
But that's really all he can write, R35, snappy dialogue. All the characters he writes -- from A Few Good Men to Sports Night to West Wing to The Social Network -- are smart, verbal, and quick. Compare Casey McCall in Sports Night to Josh Lyman in West Wing. Compare them to Matt Albie in Studio 60... Compare them to Mark Zuckerberg in TSN. They all sound exactly the same.
I'm not completely discounting his ability. It does take some skill to write dialogue like that. I don't for a moment, however, mistake it for great writing.
|by Anonymous||reply 36||03/25/2011|
[quote]the guy who always identified himself as half-Jewish, when there is no such thing
|by Anonymous||reply 37||03/25/2011|
Before he went to Hollywood he was drop dead gorgeous
|by Anonymous||reply 38||03/25/2011|
That's a hard ass decline, because I can't see it at all now.
Spot on R36. Although, I'll take the snappy dialogue over most of the shit out there.
I wonder why he thought he could direct. Am I the only one who thinks he'd have no ability for it, let alone working hopped up?
|by Anonymous||reply 39||03/25/2011|
[quote]Aaron would like to be Preston Sturges, but he is not.
In his defense, I too would like to be Preston Sturges, but I am not.
|by Anonymous||reply 40||03/25/2011|
|by Anonymous||reply 41||03/25/2011|
I am not kidding R39 The first time I met him probably right out of cokkege he honestly took my breathe away. But i agree time and especially the drugs have not been kind to him at all.
|by Anonymous||reply 42||03/26/2011|
He was gorgeous during his youth but aged very similarly to Johnathan Schaech. Same kind of olive skin problems.
|by Anonymous||reply 43||03/26/2011|
LOL at the typo, R42.
|by Anonymous||reply 44||03/28/2011|
For me, the best and worst of Sorkin's writing is strongly reminiscent of the Hecht/MacArthur/Lederer dialogue of HIS GIRL FRIDAY. Its relentlessness can be dazzling or exhausting, though I admire the control of both the writers and his actors.
But as has been pointed out, there is a sameness to Sorkin's work. But, again, if you love it, that sameness is a blessing; if you are exhausted or bored by it...
And that sameness is another way of saying "style". Mamet almost always sounds like Mamet; Sam Shepard like Sam Shepard; Neil Simon like Neil Simon; Stoppard like Stoppard, G.B. Shaw like G.B. Shaw, etc.
For me, at the end of the day, I like his sentences and his adroitness, but I am not sure that his pyrotechnics add up to much. But sometimes, they do light up the sky.
|by Anonymous||reply 45||03/28/2011|
'Straight out of cokkage' is v funny.
|by Anonymous||reply 46||03/28/2011|
Cokkage is the one institution from which I never want to graduate!
|by Anonymous||reply 47||03/28/2011|
I love The West Wing, and it was at its best with Sorkin writing. But Whilst Sorkin's dialogue is brilliant, his plot and characterisation are weak, and the drugs caught up with him.
Sorkin gets lost up his arse with how clever he is, and failure to deliver strong plot and character arcs are his downfall.
You can also see The West Wing matching the trajectory of his coke habit.
The West Wing's first two seasons are arguably some of the best TV drama ever, fuelled by coke and great ideas, but then things started to unravel with Sorkinn's descent into addiction hell.
|by Anonymous||reply 48||03/28/2011|
[quote]I'm not a fan of his style of writing. I always viewed him as a poor man's John Guare.
Ouch, and a pretty astute observation. (Though I've enjoyed a lot of Guare's work).
|by Anonymous||reply 49||03/28/2011|
I think Studio 60 was his 'coming out.' After watching a few episodes of that sissy-ass show... Yeah, Aaron Sorkin is probably gay.
|by Anonymous||reply 50||07/09/2012|
He is dating raging heterosexual actress Kristen Davis....
|by Anonymous||reply 51||07/09/2012|
For fuck's sake, stop trying to make everyone with a long list of loser traits -- drugs, aborted relationship, (implied queeny) theatrical sort, and "self-loathing"-- into a gay.
|by Anonymous||reply 52||07/09/2012|
He was on Piers Morgan last week with frosted hair. FROSTED HAIR!
|by Anonymous||reply 53||07/09/2012|
Re 1/2 Jewish issue: That technically means that only one parent is Jewish. However traditional Jews claim the mother dictates religion. Whether this goes back to the assumption that moms usually raised children or that Jewish girls were sometimes raped in dangerous times and that this way any offspring would be accepted, I don't really know.
|by Anonymous||reply 54||07/09/2012|
Studio 60 had such promise, but went downhill fast.
I would say West Wing maintained high quality throughout the Sorkin years.
|by Anonymous||reply 56||02/17/2013|
one correction:....Megan Gallagher wasn't the understudy r20...She was kind of a big deal too and had just been written out of China Beach and returned to NY to lick her wounds.
|by Anonymous||reply 57||02/17/2013|
ooops this is a really old thread!!
|by Anonymous||reply 58||02/17/2013|
[quote] the guy who always identified himself as half-Jewish, when there is no such thing
|by Anonymous||reply 59||02/17/2013|
ANybody see his interview with Dan Rather? He comes off well in my opinion, although he tries too hard to be humble and self-deprecating.
|by Anonymous||reply 60||06/11/2014|
He is not Preston Sturges!
|by Anonymous||reply 61||06/12/2014|
r20 must be wrong. Megan Gallagher couldn't have been the understudy. She was already a known name and star of China Beach among other things when she took that role.
|by Anonymous||reply 62||06/12/2014|