Straight Guys and Male Attractiveness

Disagree. Many straight guys will say if they HAD to do somebody it would be ______ and it's usually Brad Pitt for some reason. %0D %0D Usually you have to press them for this info because being gay is still so reviled by the majority on the planet.

This is very true. When I was straight and used to date women, I could still see attractiveness in other men.

In straight guy world, your attractiveness level to other straight guys, is relative to how hot your girlfriend/wife is and how big you bank account/job title is. That is it.

You know, just the fact that a man finds another man attractive doesn't make that man a homosexual.

[quote]This is very true. When I was straight and used to date women, I could still see attractiveness in other men.%0D %0D Honey, you were never straight.

I agree OP. And I've had straight guy friends who were less invested in their image than others admit when questioned that another dude was good looking. It's not something they like to talk about but I've found that secure straight men can fess up to appreciating another guys looks when push comes to shove.

I agree. When I hang around with my straight friends and we're at a bar or nightclub, they're constantly trying to help me hook up with some guy: "What about him? He's hot!"

R5 is a maroon!

I agree with r3, real straight guys don't think about another guy's physical attractiveness and certainly not their "sexiness". They don't measure their worth by how they or other guys look (as women do), they measure it by how successful they are vis a vis other men, in such things as sports, money and women. Just look at who they admire--it has nothing to do with looks.

"When I was straight and used to date women, I could still see attractiveness in other men." This is the most clueless comment I have read all week on DL. And, honestly, that is saying something.

Straight guys gladly identify other males who are UGLY, which proves they are evaluating other males for beauty. That doesn't mean they want sex.

This also applies to us:

In an essay, "The Negro Artist and the Racial Mountain," which thrust Langston Huhes into the national spotlight, he warned: "This is the mountain standing in the way of any true Negro art in America %E2%80%94 this urge within the race toward whiteness, the desire to pour racial individuality into the mold of American standardization, and to be as little Negro and as much American as possible. [...] Then there are the low-down folks, the so-called common element, and they are the majority %E2%80%94 may the Lord be praised! The people who have their nip of gin on Saturday nights and are not too important to themselves or the community, or too well fed, or too learned to watch the lazy world go round. They live on Seventh Street in Washington or State Street in Chicago and they do not particularly care whether they are like white folks or anybody else. Their joy runs, bang! into ecstasy. Their religion soars to a shout. Work maybe a little today, rest a little tomorrow. Play awhile. Sing awhile. O, let's dance! These common people are not afraid of spirituals, as for a long time their more intellectual brethren were, and jazz is their child. They furnish a wealth of colorful, distinctive material for any artist because they still hold their own individuality in the face of American standardization. And perhaps these common people will give to the world its truly great Negro artist, the one who is not afraid to be himself."

There really are no words for r5 & r10.

Straight men are typically very competitive, and in addition to their job/income and athleticism, they will certainly evaluate other men in terms of whether they are more or less attractive than themselves, especially when it comes to seeking/attracting a desirable sexual partner.

Yes, there are, R13. "He speaks the truth."

So much wishful thinking in here. No, they don't think about you at all. That's the truth. When "pressed" to confess who they'd do? Please, they're just trying to get an obsessed queen off their backs so they just say..."alright, alright, Brad Pitt," because they know he's voted sexiest man alive by most humans and they just go with what seems easiest. %0D %0D Straight men don't find other men attractive except in an aesthetic sense, the same way straight women appreciate other women. They can look at a sunset or a piece of art and find it beautiful, but that doesn't mean they want to fuck it.

I am 57- straight men in my experience take it all in- how good looking their peers are, how good an athlete, how successful, how big their dick- all of it. And they comment on it. Gay men are perhaps most focused on looks as younger men, and as they get older they compete and size other up on the entire front. Compete is the operative word. It's not about being attracted to, rather competing again, in the straight world. Men are very aware of it.

R2 / R13: There are words for you. But I'm too much of a lady to use them . . .

Straight guys are human--they know if other man is attractive of not. A straight man may not want to have sex with another guy, but he certainly can recognize a beautiful or handsome man.%0D %0D A straight man can recognize an ugly guy; so certainly he can recognize handsome.%0D %0D The thing that generally keeps a straight guy from commenting that another guy is good-looking is that he doesn't want to appear gay. Many straight guys are still quite hung up that anyone would take them for gay.%0D %0D But again, straight guys certainly don't mind saying that another guy is ugly.

R9, that's mostly true and I agree with you.

But, when push comes to shove, I was able to obtain more than that from my straight friends. Usually, the trick is to ask them on a one-on-one basis free from peer pressure.

I was actually surprised as to which actors they found handsome or sexy. The answers varied from Brad Pitt (obvious choice), Tom Selleck (Magnum PI days), Tom Brady (mostly a man crush), Kurt Russell (which surprised me a lot since I don't find him attractive), Zac Efron (who most agreed was too pretty) and a few others.

I found out that they would look at a beautiful man the same way I would look at beautiful woman. That is, like a beautiful painting. I know it's pretty, but it doesn't do anything for me.

Straight guys who are comfortable with themselves and not concerned with what people think have no problem referring to another guy as "a good looking guy."

What r14 said. Straight guys jokingly ask attractive guys how much pussy they get. Which is just a way of saying they are good-looking without really saying so. And then when you say you're gay it turns into an interesting moment...

Straight guys ARE competitive. (Who isn't). And if a guy is better or worse looking--they know it. Especially since they "know" good looking guys are "luckier" with women. And I can tell you, I've heard "pretty boy" used by straight men all the time as a put down of good looking men. And not "pretty boy" as in "queer" either. Although, hilariously, some guys dismissed as "pretty boys" are anything but to me. But apparently the straight guy thinks that particular guy is coasting on his looks.%0D %0D %0D Anyway, envy is, perhaps, the lowest form of appreciation. And straight guys are just as envious of better looking guys than gay men are. (Though we may also want to fuck them).

The average male is jockeying to be top dog in all situations. Wit, physical prowess, power, money, cars, attractiveness, whatever. So, yes, I do believe straight guys notice when other men are attractive in a competitive way very often.%0D %0D I don't think they are comfortable voicing these observations at all. And it's due to society's homophobia. The fear they will be perceived as gay will definitely make them keep their opinions to themselves more often than not.

It depends on the guy, but straight men can be just as catty as gay men and women in regard to competition especially when it comes to looks. If they are threatened, they will go right for the insults.

I've known plenty of straight men say things like, "He's a good-looking guy, I don't know why he keeps hooking up those skanks" or, "You know, that really good-looking guy on that spy show."

I think a more interesting question is - who do most straight men think as handsome that most women or gay men would not?

I offered one example - Kurt Russell.

On the other hand, there was a time when most straight men were sick of how many times they heard straight women raved about Meryl Streep's beauty.

Exactly. Straight men can recognize another man's physical attractiveness without being attracted them. I'm gay. I can recognize a beautiful woman without wanting to fuck her.

R27, I have never known ANYONE--male OR female--who ever considered Meryl Streep beautiful. A fine actress, yes, but never beautiful.

I think straight men equate rugged good looks with physical attractiveness. I think Kurt Russell would fall into that category, or least he used to. Women tend to label the pretty boys as good looking, the ones with more feminine faces...your Taylor Lautners, the Zac Efrons. I'm not sure many straight guys would think of these pretty boys as good looking.

R29. Meryl is a handsome woman, but not as handsome as me. (Nor has she received as many Oscars as me either, but I digress...)

These straight college friends of mine would always use George Clooney as the epitome of the perfect man, as in 'I'm no George Clooney but she's not that hot either' and so on. Clearly they thought he was attractive.%0D %0D Last year two of them had a long conversation about who was better looking, this one dude we know or his brother. (Both are pretty hot.) I said it was weird to hear them talking about that and they laughed and said it wasn't gay because the guy and his brother were Asian. WTF?

The 20th century called, and it wants its arcane perceptions of homosexuality back.

My supposed straight boss just told me that I look dapper today...but I think he's gay.

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R5 and R10 are correcgt

In the cave man logic of the heterosexual male, you need to understand which other males the women want to have sex with, instead of you, so you can club them to death and eliminate the competition.

I've had this discussion with more a few straight male friends and trust me ALL straight men recognize when they see another good looking man. They may not look at them with lust but rather as what they would like to look like themselves.

One guy I used to work with and who was about as straight a man as humanly possible once said about men in (straight) porn, "I may not be into guys but when I watch a porn movie the guys have to be decent looking or it just ruins it."

R19 yeah but straight guys think ALL guys are ugly, even men that women and bi?gay men think are attractive

Because they're a DUDE!

Why did you bump this two year old thread R38? To add in your wise words that are blatantly untrue?

R39 I've seen women at my work place ask straight guys if they think Channing Tatum or Brad Pitt are hot and the responses from the straight guys are always "I don't know, I think all guys are ugly".

Do you work with a bunch of oafs? Tons of straight guys I've been with freely admit when dudes are attractive. Hell when I saw Thor I was the only gay dude and all my straight friends made more comments about how much of a stud Chris Hemsworth was than I did.

Hell go to a website like reddit, dominated by 20-something straight men and they freely talk about certain guys being good looking.

Thinking back on what I said it is likely a generational thing. I am 26 and my friends are aged similarly. Reddit as I mentioned it is youth dominated website.

The millenial generation/generation y tends to have less bullshit hangups about homosexuality.

How, then, do attractive guys know enough to hang around with each other, R38? Is it their sports bras?

Most younger straight guys wouldn't comment on another guy's attractiveness for fear of being perceived as gay. They can recognize good looks, but they won't make a comment. Older guys who are more confident with their masculinity are more likely to comment.

R44 exactly! I work with ALL straight guys and about 4 women, and the young straight guys jusy WILL NOT comment on another guy being attractive under any circumstances

They will join in and joke with each other by calling each other ugly(even when I think some of the guys are hot) and joking that "you don't get any pussy".

Straight men LOOOVE women and when all is said and done really can't understand how a guy would be attracted to another guy.

I see the straight-guy-ologists of Datalounge are out in this thread with their absolute pronouncements about how this other species acts and thinks...having aquired all this knowledge by studying them in the wild for several decades with Dr. Jane Goodall.

Straight guys are always horny. Fact! When many of them strike out with a chick at a bar on a Saturday night, their horned up asses will make a bee-line to the nearest adult video store, where they will allow an anonymous dude to suck them off through a slit in a window. As long as they don't have to see the dude and can lie back and imagine there's a woman on the other side servicing them, then it's all good. A mouth is a mouth, after all.

I don't know if any of you here watch the show 'White Collar' on the USA network, but most of my straight male friends admit that the star, Matt Bomer is quite attractive.

It's usually Brad Pitt because he is pretty and because he's been the answer so often it's a safe answer. Equivalent to: "I have no idea but I know Brad Pitt is attractive because everyone always says so."

I have a very good looking friend and when I am walking down the street with him tons of guys coming toward quite obviously notice him with their eyes, and there is no way they are ALL gay

There's a difference between the actual perception of attractiveness that is inherent in the human species and the admission of the attractiveness which is a societal hang up. Straight men can and do recognize a sexy/attractive/hot man. Whether or not they will admit it is an entirely separate issue. The "Brad Pitt" answer is just a defense mechanism, basically an easy answer that won't be construed as over thought or "gay."

most "straight" women say women are hotter but they are somehow not sexually into women and that only few men are just attractive and they only like men for there penis but even then the penis is ugly to them but the vagina is pretty to them

Only gay men find men hotter. that is the truth

straight women, lesbians and straight men find women hotter

Women treat beauty as some sort of virtue which is very bizarre. "Oh she's beautiful!" as if saying "Oh she's a good person."

Straight men will always put down really good looking men or even beautiful men as a pretty boy. There's nothing worse than being called a pretty boy or cute (Tom Brokaw once said that it's the worst compliment he ever received). So yeah straight men notice it but don't hold up as something positive like women.

Agree.

Kind of a no brainer.

Just reiterating that men assess other men in order to see where they fit in the pecking order.

Straight men might claim to see no difference between Ron Jeremy, Chris Evans and Tom Brady or Derek Jeter, but they all know who's "over/under" them.

Look at the RateMe, RateMyNudeBody subReddits

Of course they do!!!

Haven't you ever noticed that since middle school, good looking guys tend to hang together and they usually size each other up and think "okay, is this guy someone I want to hang out with" or immediately seek each other out in a college classroom.

They may not be aware that they are doing it, but they do.

yes, R56, the hot ones hang out with other hots ones, etc.

There’s basically nothing to be gained between straight men if they would say out loud, between them, that so and so is good looking. Unless they want to have sex with them.

Women, on the other hand, don’t have any issues with this as they try to win the favour of other women this way, with obvious flattery.

[quote] The "Brad Pitt" answer is just a defense mechanism, basically an easy answer that won't be construed as over thought or "gay."

Why wouldn't the "Brad Pitt" answers be construed as over thought or "gay". He's a man.

Yeah in high school the really good looking guys were always together and I assume most of them were straight. I was watching a very old movie once with my father who was about as straight a man as I've ever known and there was a scene with a very young handsome and charming Peter Lawford and my father suddenly said 'What a shame.'

So while straight men do not feel lust towards another man they know if he is good looking.

This is what straight dudes like

[quote]I have never really bought the idea that truly straight men do not recognize and even appreciate the attractiveness and/or sexiness of other males.

I don't think anyone believes this, though many people believe -- I would say accurately -- that many straight men are reluctant to openly state that they recognize the attractiveness of other males, due to homophobia.

Don't straight men compete and at least internally compare themselves?

"Women are generally pretty open about their appreciation of other attractive women" That's because women are beautiful.

They do notice it but won't say it along with many other things that would make someone question they're sexuality even for a second.

Straight men don't want to admit another man is attractive because they don't want to be perceived as gay. End of story.

OP - I agree 100%. If you lined up 500 attractive, str8 guys, their similarities would be striking. Why? Because they DO notice each other, and they emulate what they see (and like) in others. That’s not the same thing as sexual attraction, but they are looking.

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Straight men are not good at gauging men's looks and gay men are not good at gauging women's looks. They can see extremes (super gorgeous people and total fuggos), but are bad at discerning people in the middle. I often see men on here call women ugly who are perfectly attractive to everyone but gay men. Women (both straight and gay) are better at judging human aesthetics.

R68, what you see here are a type of bitter, nasty gay men who add jealous of women. They don’t represent normal gay men

Straight men do notice when other men are attractive, but they're less open about admitting that than women are. There are some exceptions when it's a close friend though.

Incidentally, gay men also notice when women are attractive.

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Most straight men do recognize when a man is attractive. Men in general are very visually oriented. A straight man would much rather look at a young pretty hunk naked than an old fat geezer. A lot of straight men actually do hold the male form as ideal and look up to athletes and bodybuilders. But they are physically attracted to women.

Straight men are also obsessed with penises and mostly get aroused by hardcore straight porn over lesbian and softcore porn. Some even enjoy gay porn just because they can self-insert themselves and empathize with the penile pleasure. Just like gay men.

Women are valued mainly for their beauty and thus get most of their self-worth from being perceived as the fairer sex. Women are huge consumers of cosmetics, fashion and diet foods. So women hold themselves as the ideal of beauty because they gain more advantages from being beautiful. Even though straight women are attracted to men, they still rather as the women be more beautiful.

Also people keep saying human males aren't beautiful because their bodies evolved to be that of hunters and providers, thus more utilitarian is stupid. Women's bodies evolved for childbirth and childrearing. Breasts are to fed babies and big hips make it easier to give birth. So those were also utilitarian adaptations too. Men's muscles and tall height is considered attractive and beautiful. Ancient Greeks made artwork celebrating male beauty.

This takes me back to one time at a former job where I was in a room with a male Taiwanese coworker as well as a fellow American. We were talking about another coworker not in the room, and the guy from Taiwan said, very matter-of-factly, "He is very handsome."

The two of us Americans in the room were shocked at how openly he said it. He was married with a kid, and I really really don't think he was in the closet. It just goes show the cultural differences at play. So, yeah, I very much believe that most straight guys can perfectly tell when a man is conventionally attractive -- they're just more reluctant to admit it in some countries.

WOULD YOU PLEASE STOP TALKINGA BOUT THE STRAIGHTS!

I don’t know, there’s this good looking straight guy I work with , I’m a woman, and he told me he thinks “all men are ugly “ and that’s why a lot of lesbians are considered ugly “because the butch ones try to look like men who are ugly “

My reply was “that means your ugly since you’re a man” , his response was “I know I am because all men are ugly “

And this guy is very hot

Straight men as so FUCKED UP on every level.

^^are^^

What a straight guy told me was that at least under the shower they're going to check the other guys' junk every chance they have.

Also this thread has already been dug up many times: 2011, 2013, 2015, 2021 and 2022.

[quote]when I was straight

Straight as a purse swivel snap hook, sweetie!

There is no difference between men and women. Gay, straight, bi, lesbian, etc. They usually see other men and women as their competition - downright threat - first, and check them out accordingly (in what ways is he or she better than me / in what ways am I better than him or her?).

Then for some, sometimes a split second later, it's "I totally would" vs. "so not fuckable!".

"Friendly fire" is hot

[quote] Women are generally pretty open about their appreciation of other attractive women, but most straight guys wouldn't confess to it if their lives depended on it. Agree or no?

I agree. And I blame toxic masculinity for men not being able to publicly appreciate other men's beauty. It always has to be framed as something different like being strong or very talented (bodybuilder, sports player, construction worker). Straight men have a difficult time to compliment male models, because they can't find an angle that doesn't make them come off as gay (oh, he's pulling off that look quite well, doesn't he? Those clothes fit the model quite well and compliment his body, they picked a really great model for this perfume ad, look at how great the guy looks with that suit and the matching suitcase!).

[Quote] and it's usually Brad Pitt for some reason

Because every straight man says it, it is safe to say so. To say you prefer Jason Mamoa would indicate you've been thinking about it, at the least, and probably that you're a sub bottom. So saying brad is a way of saying NoHoMo.

Women are perfectly open about saying so and so is gorgeous. Sometimes because they are envious! I don’t know if straight men don’t notice or don’t say. They aren’t judged as much by their looks as women are. Women who are actually quite attractive often think they aren't. Men who are quite unattractive often feel - or at least act - as if they are attractive. So maybe men don’t pay as much attention to other mens’ looks because they aren’t as insecure. They aren’t comparing themselves with others so much because looks aren’t as intrinsic to their self-worth. I have absolutely no evidence for this but it’s my theory.

Of course they recognize attractiveness in other guys. That's how they include or exclude other guys when they go out hunting for girls. They know their chances will increase if they are a better looking crew. Or they try to find a really hot friend who will pull chicks their way and hope to get their castoffs. They know how attractive they are themselves and then rate other men accordingly.

Of course het guys recognize good-looking men. People have the innate ability to notice symmetry and that's what beauty is based on. When I was young I at first refused to believe most men in my arts school were straight because I thought only gay men can truly recognize style and beauty. It took some time to realize how wrong I was. Most men in arts are straight or bi, and most certainly not all gay men understand much about aesthetics. That said recognizing beauty in people is something different because pretty much all people can see it.

My best friend growing up was a straight boy who was into sports and very traditional boyish things while I was a stereotypical gay boy trying on my mom's dresses and playing a hairdresser with my girlfriends. We drifted apart after our mid-teens but did meet every now and then. Once, when we were around 20 he told me he recognizes when a guy is good-looking but he just doesn't find them hot sexually. Can't really remember what we were discussing when the subject came up. I never came out to him but I was such a nelly before the puberty hit me properly that he must've realized I'm into dick.

Kurt Russell was mentioned up thread as an example of a guy het guys find hot. Russell was so extremely nice-looking in his heyday that you can actually call him pretty. I don't doubt at all that he must've caused confusing emotions for some straight teen boys who found him hot. Then again are we talking about Kinsey zeroes or Kinsey 1's and 2's because in reality many straight guys aren't really totally straight. It seems some people believe boys in puberty and in their early teens are more open to finding men hot sexually and get more straight when they grow up but I'm not sure I believe that way. Personally my Kinsey number hasn't changed much from my teens.

I'm personally Kinsey 5 and can totally relate to the 1's and 2's. We can find some individuals of the opposite sex hot and can even have sex with them but the sex drive behind it just isn't that strong. BTW, I know some gay men refuse to believe it but if you can get it up for a girl enough to fuck her you're not Kinsey 6.

These are complex issues and they get even more so when you start thinking how much female attractiveness in a straight male's eye is based on the makeup she's wearing. Is this a learned thing in a fetish kind of a way or is it about aesthetics?

like r73 mentioned, Can we just say American Straight Men. Because most of the men in other parts of the world don't see complimenting a man on his looks as an affront to their own sexuality.

The funny thing is, living in Italy, the standard of beauty seems to be Male beauty. I see men constantly checking out, appreciating each others looks, manner of dress. If you look at all the sculptures all around the men are immaculately articulated, their muscles, faces, feet. This is what people grow up looking at constantly around them. Str8, bi, gay, male, female - the standard of perfection and beauty is the male form. I always say Italy is a place where the men are prettier than the women and the women are stronger than the men. Women were are appreciated more for their strength it seems than beauty. Where it seems like the opposite for men - they don't have to be strong or uber masculine. They just have to be good looking.

This is what men in Rome grow up staring at and are told is beautiful.

At first, I was like “what a stupid thread.” OP sounds like he is oblivious to all the male-on-male adoration for male fitness models and bodybuilders today. Hasn’t OP seen all the male groupies for buff fitness models on Instagram and TikTok today? But then I realized this thread was born in early 2011, before TikTok, and months after the start of Instagram.

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This thread really documents how much things have changed in a decade. It started at the dawn of Instagram and predates the Tiktok era. Straight men Commenting or simping over hot dudes is almost passé now

Most straight men are such fragile little bitches…afraid to wear anything other than a blue, green, or gray shirt, open an umbrella in the rain, or leave the house without a baseball cap for fear of what they perceive it says about them.

R90 Agreed... straight men are awful. I will take all of them off your hands so none of you need to deal with them. Because I'm selfless.

Ryan Reynolds

As a gay man, I can still properly categorize women as very pretty or as fugly dogs. I’m sure straight men can see male beauty even if they are too inhibited to admit it.

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I'm straight. I get it when some guy is what is considered to be attractive by the society. But even then, remotely attractive woman will be 10x more attractive to me and can't understand how someone (a man or a woman) would pick him over her.

How did R98 get in here? One of you horny EGs let him slip inside the door?

R99 Mostly reading old Hollywood stories

R86 imo British men of the last 20-25 years haven't had the American hangup, either.

You can pass off an admiring or attracted compliment as banter...

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R86 Well said.

Not sure if straight guys are consciously aware of it, but when you have a large random group of relative strangers come together, the good looking, more confident guys will often find each other pretty quickly. Sort of an alpha thing perhaps.

It's also funny, if the guys are in their 30s or 40s, to see guys who are now bald/balding but were good looking in their teens and 20s try and join in with that group and if not get outright rejected, not get the reaction they were expecting.

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Tyson Wong

Why do attractive guys only hang out with attractive guys?

Why are some threads that are very recent and non controversial are CLOSED and this TWELVE year old thread is still open for comments?

There was a GORGEOUS guy in my high school, and I'll never forget the time he popped into my classroom for something--I scanned the room and EVERYBODY'S eyes were glued to him, as if they were in a hypnotic trance. Including the guys! So yes, straight guys know male beauty when they see it!

A lot has changed, it's a new world.

Wade into the comments for any major young handsome sports star, and you'll see straight men with hot gfs @ing them with more than the fire emoji. As well as official brands and media outlets run and patronised by predominantly men.

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I've had tons of straight men comment on my attractiveness in all sorts of public and private settings.

Cool bruh

Not true at all, especially for younger millenials/gen z. They're much more looks aware because of how the dating/hookup scene has changed - women are much more selective than in the past and looks are king. That whole thing of "oh im straight so how can i tell if a guy is ugly or not, i literally cant see if a man is good looking or not" is a complete LIE based in homophobic fear. i remember in middle school one cholo kid telling me that he would never jack off because touching a dick is gay and that he won't even touch his own dick when he pees, and another claimed he had never seen a penis in his life because he won't look at his own (i close my eyes when i piss dude) so that he doesn't do any gay shit. they were probably savagely abused by their fathers for any little thing, maybe they picked a flower once, or grabbed a pink thing at the store instead of a blue one - in their mind if they admit that they can tell brad pitt was more handsome than pauly shore without being informed so by a woman their dad and 500 bullies are going to drop out of the sky and beat them to death. they also don't want to give in to the idea that looks "matter" for men, they want to believe that glamorous and beautiful will still want to fuck them despite being complete slobs with no aesthetic sensibilities.

R114 glamorous and beautiful women will*

R4 "It doesn't help"

I get compliments from straight guys all the time, on my looks, my hair, how great I smell. I don't think people are as hung-up as they used to be about such things. That said, I agree with the OP's sentiment and can remember a time when guys were more hung-up, but times have definitely changed, and so they should.

Guys are constantly complimenting each other about looks on TikTok. It’s not 1998 anymore, ya know