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Bombshell - Hedy Lamarr documentary

Who's seen it? The reviews have been spectacular.

--Susan Sarandon, Executive Producer
replies 97Nov 24, 2017 11:43 AM +00:00

It’s Hedley!

replies 1Nov 24, 2017 12:10 PM +00:00

More details, please. I'd love to see it. I hope it doesn't get too bogged down in specs for sonar. Darwin Porter said she slept with Hitler and JFK.

replies 2Nov 24, 2017 12:25 PM +00:00

Fuck Susan Sarandon.

replies 3Nov 24, 2017 12:33 PM +00:00

It’s in very limited release currently but may, if the numbers work go into broader release. Someone is going to write a great screen play about her sometime but who is beautiful enough to play her?

replies 4Nov 25, 2017 4:11 PM +00:00

I find her fascinating and can't wait to see this documentary. It's really unbelievable that her contribution to the invention of wifi didn't become public knowledge until after her death. And I do wonder if she was really the inventor or if composer George Antheil, who shared the patent with her, really did all of the smart work.

It also seems unbelievable that Hedy's intelligence never seemed to be talked about in her interviews or in interviews with any of her chatty Hollywood colleagues. I wonder if Judy or Lana realized how smart she was? Hedy doesn't come off as terribly bright in the few TV interviews she did or on her What's My Line? appearances.

replies 5Nov 25, 2017 4:46 PM +00:00

R4, Catherine Zeta-Jones. Now and forever.

replies 6Nov 25, 2017 4:47 PM +00:00

Well, R5, she wasn’t in the legitimate theater.

--Arlene Francis
replies 7Nov 25, 2017 4:48 PM +00:00

r4 delusional

replies 8Nov 25, 2017 4:50 PM +00:00

Bitch stole that idea like she did eye-drops at Eckerd's.

replies 9Nov 25, 2017 5:02 PM +00:00

for r1

replies 10Nov 25, 2017 7:24 PM +00:00

R5 It was known. Probably more among geeks than the mainstream. Cell phones didn't become popular until the 90s but the technology was in use for other things.

replies 11Nov 25, 2017 7:30 PM +00:00

R2 I believe the JFK story but she didn’t sleep with Hitler that was just a hack writer’s story to sell books. I’m not sure that Hitler even met her, beyond that he liked blondes. If the author would have said she slept with Mussolini that might have made more sense as he definitely had a thing for her.

replies 12Nov 26, 2017 3:17 AM +00:00

Well, r11, when I question whether the public was aware of Hedy's contribution I mean it surprises me that there were never any articles written about Hedy's supposed genius either during her the height of her career or after.....just as a publicity angle, if for no other reason. In her few TV interviews in the 60s/70s it never came up. I don't think it was even mentioned in reports when she was arrested for shoplifting.

Just seems odd. Like it was kept a secret from her Hollywood colleagues.

replies 13Nov 26, 2017 4:46 AM +00:00

r6 Thank you for recommending me, but I believe I could only do justice to the parts of the story that deal with her life up to age 30..

replies 14Nov 26, 2017 6:30 AM +00:00

R11 Dorothy Kilgallen described Hedy Lamarr’s as being really two people, the beautiful seductress but also the humorless, prosaic personality that resonated beneath. Hedy was a mystery to anyone who knew her including her children.

replies 15Nov 26, 2017 7:06 AM +00:00


If anyone would know about being two faced and presented a phoney side to the world, you'd be it

--John Daly
replies 16Nov 26, 2017 10:05 AM +00:00
If anyone would know about being two faced and presented a phoney side to the world, you'd be it

And neither of those faces has a chin!

--Bennett Cerf
replies 17Nov 26, 2017 11:05 AM +00:00

I went out a few times with a guy who was her majordomo(?) while living in Atlanta. He was on vacation,and we met at a bar called Blakes,wich was right across the street from my apartment. When he first started telling me about Hedy,I confess I didnt really believe him,until he pulled out a gold cigarette case set with rubies and diamonds engraved to her from Orson Welles ! He said she had tons of money but was cheap as shit,that she saved everything,almost to the point of hoarding,that she had jewelry worth a few million easily but always wore cheap costume crap,and that her house,while nice,was rather modest for her money. He also said she rarely talked about her golden years,she supposedly said the past is just that,the past. In fact,he was the first one who had mentioned how smart she was,wich I hadnt heard before. I wish I could remember his name,he was a very nice guy but somewhat older than me. We spent a few lovely times together then I never saw him again.

replies 18Nov 26, 2017 11:41 AM +00:00

What brought Hedy to Atlanta, r18? One of her marriages? That must have been over 35 years ago.

replies 19Nov 26, 2017 11:46 AM +00:00

No R19,her majordomo was in Atlanta on vacation. Sorry,Hemmingway Im not.

replies 20Nov 26, 2017 12:27 PM +00:00

Hedy Lamar invented Wifi (sort of).

As described in unprecedented detail by the American journalist and historian Richard Rhodes in his new book, Hedy's Folly, Lamarr and her business partner, the composer George Antheil, were awarded a patent in 1942 for a "secret communication system". It was meant for radio-guided torpedoes, and the pair gave to the US Navy. It languished in their files for decades before eventually becoming a constituent part of GPS, Wi-Fi and Bluetooth technology.
replies 21Nov 26, 2017 1:25 PM +00:00

If Hedy was awarded the patent in 1942, then she must have been working on it when she made Ziegfeld Girl in 1941.

Judy Garland told so many wonderful and perceptive anecdotes about her costars at MGM. Did she ever talk about Hedy? I know she famously said that Lana Turner was like "a beautiful vase."

replies 22Nov 26, 2017 1:44 PM +00:00

Wasn't Hedy the golden age star who said it's easy to be beautiful -- you just stand there and look stupid?

replies 23Nov 26, 2017 1:50 PM +00:00
Wasn't Hedy the golden age star who said it's easy to be beautiful -- you just stand there and look stupid?

Well, if it wasn't it should have been.
replies 24Nov 26, 2017 1:56 PM +00:00

She clearly appears to be visualizing wifi in r24's photo!

replies 25Nov 26, 2017 2:12 PM +00:00
Wasn't Hedy the golden age star who said it's easy to be beautiful -- you just stand there and look stupid?

Well, if she said that she must not be THAT much of a genius.
replies 26Nov 26, 2017 2:19 PM +00:00

I think it actually was; “Any girl can look glamorous, all she has to do is stand still and look stupid”.

replies 27Nov 26, 2017 4:42 PM +00:00
I think it actually was; “Any girl can look glamorous, all she has to do is stand still and look stupid”.

Well, the bovine Miss Dunham STILL sure as hell proves THAT not to be true.

replies 28Nov 26, 2017 5:25 PM +00:00
Cell phones didn't become popular until the 90s but the technology was in use for other things.

Frequency hopping, and the related spread spectrum technique, has always had major applications for covert and secure military communication. IIRC Hedy's invention was first used to control torpedoes without risk of enemy interference.

replies 29Nov 26, 2017 6:04 PM +00:00

How odd it is to see all of the adulation for Hedy. I remember that she was quite the scandal back when I was a kid: the shoplifting, the book Ecstasy and Me, her marriages, etc. It looks like she is going to end up being one of the most remembered people of the Golden Age of Hollywood.
replies 30Nov 27, 2017 8:21 AM +00:00

Still gorgeous at age 55.

Hedy Lamarr made this rare TV interview appearance in 1969, joined by Woody Allen, Leslie Uggams and Moms Mabley.
replies 31Nov 30, 2017 5:35 PM +00:00

This thread is gayer than Liberace's asshole.

replies 32Nov 30, 2017 5:41 PM +00:00

And about to get gayer....

Judy Garland told so many wonderful and perceptive anecdotes about her costars at MGM. Did she ever talk about Hedy? I know she famously said that Lana Turner was like "a beautiful vase."

No, Artie Shaw said that about Lana, not Judy. Judy was jealous of Lana's beauty, but really liked her a lot. I think Judy found her transparent and trustworthy, while not much of a threat in the talent department.
replies 33Nov 30, 2017 5:51 PM +00:00

Re the R31 clip, was she tanned or was that her natural skin color?

replies 34Dec 1, 2017 7:49 AM +00:00
Darwin Porter said she slept with Hitler and JFK.

Darwin Porter also claimed that Paul Newman tried to get his own son to fuck him and that was one biggie that led to Scott Newman's suicide.

replies 35Dec 1, 2017 8:08 AM +00:00


I thought that LaMarr had lived in Winter Park, Florida for decades before her death.

replies 36Dec 1, 2017 8:11 AM +00:00

R2, R35, Darwin Porter writes historical novels-- fiction set in Hollywood's past, disguised as biography. Don't believe anything he claims as fact.
replies 37Dec 1, 2017 8:34 AM +00:00

R34, she was very fair and had what would be classified as porcelain skin.

replies 38Dec 1, 2017 12:03 PM +00:00

I don't think she looks very good at all in the link at r31 in 1969. I guess she's in her late 50s there.

I would go as far as to say she's the first Hollywood star of the Golden Age who truly had some damaging plastic surgery, almost as bad as what we see today. She had very delicate features that really couldn't withstand the surgery.

replies 39Dec 1, 2017 1:10 PM +00:00

June Allyson talked about Hedy in one of those MGM documentaries - was it When The Lion Roars? June said she wasn't a star like her and the rule was you didn't speak to her unless she spoke to you first.

replies 40Dec 3, 2017 5:02 AM +00:00

R40 Hedy was actually very nice when she first arrived in Hollywood. I think she became extremely frustrated with herself and her career as time went along. June also said that she would find herself just staring at Hedy’s profile as it was so perfect. She like many people from that era thought Hedy was the most beautiful woman that they had ever seen. She was In the movie “The Bellboy and the Princess” with Hedy, which was Hedy’s last movie for MGM. Around this time in her career Hedy was referred to as “Headache Lamarr”.

replies 41Dec 3, 2017 5:16 AM +00:00

Wow, I'd love to see the doc, but I guess I'll have to torrent it. I'm not giving Susan Sarandon a dime.

replies 42Dec 3, 2017 5:18 AM +00:00

Speaking of Sarandon, Hedy's life would be perfect subject matter for Ryan Murphy to fuck up in a TV movie.

replies 43Dec 3, 2017 5:20 AM +00:00

Her bad plastic surgery started in 1974.
replies 44Dec 3, 2017 5:50 AM +00:00

Actually, the plastic surgery started in the mid-1950s. Check out her appearance on What's My Line?

By 1974 it was at its worst. That is, until the final surgery at the end of the 1970s which was so bad, she bever made another public appearance.

replies 45Dec 3, 2017 7:13 AM +00:00

Among other things, Hedy was famous for her center part hairdo which was not popular in the 1930s until she appeared. Joan Bennett, who'd been a boring blonde ingenue in the 1930s, dyed her hair brunette and center-parted it in the 1940s and it revitalized her career as a noir femme fatale.

Our dear Joan Crawford attempted the same feat in Ice Follies of 1939 but was less successful.

replies 46Dec 3, 2017 7:23 AM +00:00

Rita Hayworth had a middle part hairdo transitioning from her Latina long hair to her side-part of the early 1940s.
replies 47Dec 4, 2017 12:58 AM +00:00

Plenty of actresses like Hayworth and Myrna Loy had center part hair styles before Hedy arrived. It was popularized by Gloria Swanson in the late 1920s, and Hedy's look was really just a variant where she didn't pin her hair back like Swanson and Del Rio and others had.

Even then she wasn't a trailblazer, because Vivian Leigh had been wearing her hair parted in the middle and loose since 1936.
replies 48Dec 4, 2017 1:12 AM +00:00

R35, Darwin Porter said that Marlon Brando fucked his pet racoon, Lana Turner had a threeway with Frank Sinatra and Louise Beavers, Shirley Temple was actually a,male midget , and Maria Montez was born Melvin Fuddrucker in Boise.

--An unimpeachible source
replies 49Dec 4, 2017 1:58 AM +00:00

A Tribute to the Center Part.
replies 50Dec 4, 2017 2:11 AM +00:00

Joan Crawford once said she turned down a role because "it was about a girl who stands around and does nothing. I told them to give it to Hedy Lamarr - she'd be great in it!"

replies 51Dec 4, 2017 2:45 AM +00:00

Hedy and George Montgomery dated for quite a while, then he began dating and married Dinah Shore.

replies 52Dec 4, 2017 2:57 AM +00:00

R49, He also wrote that Merv Griffin and Frank Sinatra fucked.

replies 53Dec 4, 2017 2:58 AM +00:00
Plenty of actresses like Hayworth and Myrna Loy had center part hair styles before Hedy arrived.

Well. for that matter...
--Queen V.
replies 54Dec 4, 2017 3:04 AM +00:00

Well, my goodness! I never said Hedy INVENTED the center part. Only that she popularized it at the end of the 1930s after it had fell out of favor for Hollywood glamour girls earlier in that decade. For whatever reasons it was considered such a distinctive look, Cole Porter even wrote a song about the phenomena in "Let's Not Talk About Love":.

Let's speak of Lamarr, That Hedy so fair; Why does she let Joan Bennett Wear her old hair?

And for that matter, Jane Darwell sported a center part throughout the 1930s but no one was copying her.

replies 55Dec 4, 2017 4:49 AM +00:00

In the photo collage at R50, Hedy, Ava and Gene are the ones that REALLY stand out.

replies 56Dec 4, 2017 6:05 AM +00:00

I invented the center part in 1910. It was a code--meant that a girl would spread. If you let a few wisps of hair loose, in the part area, that meant you had a big bush. Gals went nuts over that.

--Beulah Bondi
replies 57Dec 4, 2017 10:01 AM +00:00

R49, he also wrote that most of the munchkins in Wizard were the out-of-wedlock kids of Wally Beery; Walter Brennan gave great gum jobs, and passed along his tips to Nancy (Davis) Reagan, who in turn tutored Ron, Jr. ("The secret is in the tongue!"); and John Wayne was a pass-around bottom.

replies 58Dec 4, 2017 10:34 AM +00:00
I never said Hedy INVENTED the center part.

The docu does, though. It even showed old pictures from before Hedy arrived in Hollywood as examples of Hedy's "influence"! Unless she also invented a time machine, that was just a plain lie.

That picture R50 linked to was more interesting than "Bombshell." Hell, this whole thread is more interesting. We should make our own documentaries.

replies 59Dec 4, 2017 2:13 PM +00:00

If the doc is wrong about THAT, I'd say it's pretty much discredited. It was really Lana who invented frequency hopping, while she was doing the Lindy Hop.

replies 60Dec 4, 2017 2:24 PM +00:00

Funny, R60.

The thing is, it was really convincing as far as her frequency hopping invention, so why did it then lie about something so stupid as her hair?

replies 61Dec 4, 2017 2:26 PM +00:00

Maybe it meant that nobody could wear a center part like Hedy. Based on R50, I think that might be true.

--To Joan: it's really not becoming to you, dear.
replies 62Dec 4, 2017 2:43 PM +00:00
To Joan: it's really not becoming to you, dear.

Joan, it would be of tremendous benefit for you to advance to 5:50 of this tutorial. A rare vintage makeup and beauty tutorial film circa 1946 presented by a Ponds beauty consultant Miss Ratherly Stern. ( ok tha...
replies 63Dec 4, 2017 3:06 PM +00:00

I read in a memoir that Ms Lamar was a kleptomaniac. This was the reason she became isolated, she left the party with the hosts personal items.

replies 64Dec 4, 2017 3:14 PM +00:00

So what's a few tchochkes here and there?

replies 65Dec 4, 2017 3:17 PM +00:00

R59 Hedy did have an influence on fashion and hairstyles.. A lot of actresses tried dyeing their hair coal black like Hedy’s after Algiers but there was a famous hairstylist at MGM who actually came up with the look, Sydney Guliaroff. She like Jennifer Aniston and Farrah Fawcett were the ones who got the credit for their hairstylists creation.

replies 66Dec 4, 2017 3:22 PM +00:00
I read in a memoir that Ms Lamar was a kleptomaniac.

Maybe she was just a garden variety narcissist.

I read somewhere, when asked why she shoplifted, she said something along the lines of:

" I did so much to help during the war and now everyone has forgotten about me so they owe me ".

replies 67Dec 4, 2017 3:23 PM +00:00

Painting Hedy as a role model for young women has it’s drawbacks when you look at her entire life. She sure has her virtues but she has a lot of big negatives too. Hedy was a tremendously fascinating complicated person. Hedy might be better shown to young people as a cautionary tale of no matter how gifted you are by god’s gifts they may not in themselves make for a happy life.

replies 68Dec 4, 2017 3:29 PM +00:00

R67, makes sense to me.

There is a 30s movie called "Trade Winds," with Joan Bennett, who was then very blonde. Not long into the film, her character needs to disguise herself, so gets her hair dyed black. As she is revealed to herself and us, in the salon mirror, voila'-- Hedy's second cousin, complete with center part. Joan stayed that way and, appropriately, did some great noirs.

replies 69Dec 4, 2017 3:34 PM +00:00

Joan Bennett was pretty much the only actress who specifically emulated Hedy, wasn't she? Well, I'd bet there were some B-movie actresses who did too, but otherwise I don't think Hedy really started a trend in Hollywood. Amongst everyday women, sure, but not other actresses. The studios wouldn't have let their A-listers look like copycats.

replies 70Dec 4, 2017 3:45 PM +00:00

R70, Mervyn LeRoy discovery Inez Cooper was brought to MGM and groomed to look like Hedy Lamarr to keep their mercurial star in check. Whenever Hedy refused a part, MGM would leak word to Hedda Hopper that Inez was being considered for the role. That got Hedy to reconsider very quickly and Inez was never given leading lady parts at MGM. Her greatest successes were at Poverty Row pictures like Flight to Nowhere, 'Neath Canadian Skies, North of the Border, and Lady Chaser.
replies 71Dec 4, 2017 5:02 PM +00:00

Joan Crawford definitely copied Hedy's center part in that Ice Follies film made in 1939, the same year that Hedy became a sensation in Algiers. But I think the point about the hairdo was not about who wore it first but that it was considered an integral part of her very symmetrical beauty (Hedy's, not Joan's!).

And Paramount obviously modeled Dorothy Lamour on MGM's Hedy, as even her name (and center part) attested.

I saw the film tonight and thought it was wonderful. Far more depth than the usual star doc and very artfully made with great period footage adding to the real home movies of Hedy's childhood and early years in Vienna. What an incredibly complex woman, flaws and all, who was truly nothing like her screen image. You should all go see it!

replies 72Dec 4, 2017 5:37 PM +00:00

Joan and Hedy were good palsies.
replies 73Dec 4, 2017 5:49 PM +00:00

R73, The blonde on the left Joan Bennett, btw.

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replies 75Dec 4, 2017 5:54 PM +00:00

R73, I think the blonde on the left is in fact Joan Bennett!

replies 76Dec 4, 2017 6:04 PM +00:00

Robert Lantz was Hedy’s agent and had known her since she was 16. I think his thoughts about her in the linked documentary starting at the 41 minute mark are probably very on point as to how she was and what obsticules she faced in Hollywood.

replies 77Dec 5, 2017 8:01 AM +00:00

Is there a version of that in English, r77?

replies 78Dec 5, 2017 8:38 AM +00:00

R79 I wish but at least half of it is in English.

replies 79Dec 5, 2017 8:41 AM +00:00

Does it eventually revert to English? I just watched the first 5 minutes and then sadly gave up.

replies 80Dec 5, 2017 8:54 AM +00:00

R80 it’s interment, which is why I said to jump ahead to minute 41 but large parts of it are in English.

replies 81Dec 5, 2017 8:57 AM +00:00

I haven't seen Ice Follies of 1939 yet but glancing at the Joan Crawford fanpage it looks like her hair is parted on the side and still red. This is supposedly a Technicolor shot.
replies 82Dec 5, 2017 8:59 AM +00:00

Hmm, okay here it's darker and parted down the middle. Crazy. Wonder if they realized it didn't look great on Joan and changed it up in later scenes?

I've got to see this movie if for no other reason than Lew Ayers in tights.
replies 83Dec 5, 2017 9:01 AM +00:00

As most here know, Ice Follies is the one that we see Joan lacing up for in her dressing room at the start of MD. Followed be a close up of her smiling grimly and saying, "Let's do it! "

Lew Ayres was married to Ginger Rogers in the 30s. Imagine their bedroom calisthenics. Ginger also took Stewart's cherry.

--Joan knows it's a stinker, but she's a pro.
replies 84Dec 5, 2017 9:45 AM +00:00

1939: With newly arrived Hedy, Lana and Greer on the MGM lot, it's no wonder Joan, Garbo and Norma got out of there within the next couple of years. The lipstick was on the dressing room mirror.

replies 85Dec 5, 2017 11:42 AM +00:00

R72 actually Lamour preceded Hedy at Parmount by a few years, so if anything MGM borrowed from Dorothy with the look and name.

replies 86Dec 5, 2017 12:24 PM +00:00

Mayer had had a crush on the tragic, late Barbara LaMarr. That's how Hedy got that name.

replies 87Dec 5, 2017 1:20 PM +00:00

The documentary said it was because of Mayer's wife whose favorite actress was Barbara LaMarr.


replies 88Dec 5, 2017 1:23 PM +00:00
Lew Ayres was married to Ginger Rogers in the 30s. Imagine their bedroom calisthenics. Ginger also took Stewart's cherry.

I'm not joking: this thread is a better documentary than BOMBSHELL was.

Lew Ayers was so fucking hot.

replies 89Dec 5, 2017 1:24 PM +00:00

r88, what are the lies? I quite enjoyed this film.

replies 90Dec 5, 2017 4:09 PM +00:00

R80 it looks like the German documentary becomes mostly English after 17:25

replies 91Dec 6, 2017 12:28 PM +00:00
we see Joan lacing up for in her dressing room at the start of MD. Followed be a close up of her smiling grimly and saying, "Let's do it! "

The line is "let's go".

If you CAN'T do something right, don't do it at all!
replies 92Dec 6, 2017 2:44 PM +00:00

Bumping for Inventrix Hedy!

Go see this won't regret it.

replies 93Dec 11, 2017 1:38 PM +00:00

i just watched the documentary (it's on streaming sites). It's fantastic. My god, what a woman! The doc even says that Lamarr told her plastic surgeons in the 50s how to cut and where to hide the scars (behind the ears, for exemple). They had never thought about that before, and that's the technique still used today. Oh, and she also tried to invent solid, portable, coca cola cubes to dissolve in water. And she looked amazing untile the end of the 60s. The home movies of her last years, with the last tragic plastic surgeries, are very sad. I hope they'll do a movie about her, she really had an incredible life.

replies 94Jan 16, 2018 3:33 PM +00:00

Apparently Emilia Clarke from Game of Thrones is looking to play Hedy in a bio pic.

replies 95Jan 16, 2018 5:46 PM +00:00

R92, but the SUBTEXT was "let's do it."

R89, yes, Lew was. I think he and Jane Wyman had an affair while filming "Johnny Belinda " and that led to the breakup with Ronnie.

Lew was a conscientious objector during WW2 and that may have hurt his career. He did serve valiantly as a medic. Very dangerous.

replies 96Jan 16, 2018 8:19 PM +00:00

Lew was married to Ginger from 1934-1940. They had separated some time before the divorce, but I like to think that Lew's fucking greatly contributed to Ginger's brilliant dancing with Fred.

--Dancing being a vertical expression of a horizontal wish.
replies 97Jan 16, 2018 8:29 PM +00:00