I'm watching this on Netflix and, my god, Glenn Close was a sexual animal in this. In their sex scenes she looks insatiable, like she's going to literally eat him. At least that's what it seems like to me. She even looks like an animal with that 80's perm, like a lioness.
She was perfect for that role.
Vagina dentata personified.
A lioness! Delightful! That must explain why she chewed the scenery and shit in public.
Agree R1. She was almost like a succubus and drained his energy. Every time he was with her he came away spent physically and emotionally. No one could keep up with that.
r3, you just described what it is like to be with a psychopath.
she's like that in real life
Glen's sister is schizophrenic....she grew up with Alex.
Anne Archer was so twee.
Anne Archer has a huge flatulence problem
Anne Archer was gorgeous!
[quote]A lioness! Delightful! That must explain why she chewed the scenery and shit in public.
Yes, because the script required subtlety. The writing wasn't over the top, it was Glenn's acting.
Hello! A lioness is going to GET RESPECT and NOT BE IGNORED, DAN!
Whom did Glenn lose the Oscar to? Jodie Foster, wasn't it?
The scene of Alex turning the light on and off WAS chilling.
[quote]Glen's sister is schizophrenic
Actually she's bipolar. And it's "Glenn".
Adrian Lyne really wanted to emphasize the physical look and manner of the character. He is such an incredible director!
"You know what you are, Dan? You're a COCK. SUCKING. SON of a BITCH! You are. I hate you. You deserve everything you get."
This movie set off a tragic outbreak of bad perms across the country.
Surprised nobody ever saw fit to compare Carrie Bradshaw to Alex Forrest since both were New York single ladies and the spitting image of each other.
Glenn's performance is wonderful--still thrilling to watch. But the rest of the movie is just not equal in quality.
I wouldn`t go that far, R18. The little boy was pretty good when he discovers the rabbit is no longer in its hutch.
And I agree that her hairstyle is ridiculously dated. But her stylish white wardrobe, and small-scale jewelry, and make-up are spot on. She's rarely looked more attractive in a movie.
She was better than Cher was in that insipid film MOONSTRUCK.
The little boy was a little girl, although she was weirdly androgynous. Cher's win was absurd that year, especially since this performance was soooo much better. Anne Archer went to my school, a small girls' school, and was either senior class president or student body pres - can't remember - and she always buttoned the top button of our uniforms and no one else ever did, except me. She wouldn't know me if I bit her, but I always felt we were some kind of prude compadres.
she always gave me prudish feelings.
Yes, the LIttle uh, "girl" was a weird tom-boy, what was THAT all about?
Glenn had a nice tan line on her tits.
R19, that was a little girl. She was also in Christmas Vacation.
Didn't that little girl grow up to make a video recently where she told Republicans who didn't share her videos to, in her words, "Get the FUCK off the internet"?
I always knew how she'd turn out, tha manly little girl. . .
Jesus, how on earth did Cher ever win an Academy Award? And for Moonstruck at that?
But of course my dear-heart Cher won because of her friendship and mentorship with ME, the only good thing to come from Silkwood's nuclear waste. By the by, even Stucci, my pet name for my love Stan Tucci, agrees that my oldest pits are more luscious than Glenn's ripest fruits, which have sunk so low they're speaking Spanish.
Cher winning over Glenn that year was bullshit.
Cher winning over any of the other four nominees that year was bullshit. The other women nominated that year, according to Wiki, were Glenn Close (Fatal Attraction), Holly Hunter (Broadcast News), Sally Kirkland (Anna) and Meryl Streep (Ironweed).
Close, Hunter and Streep all gave much better performances than Cher. I've never seen Anna but even Kirkland can't have been as pedestrian as Cher was in Moonstruck. I wonder what the voters were smoking that year when they voted for Cher.
R18, it's a combination of Glenn Close's performance and Lyne's direction that elevate this just beyond B-movie pulp.
I remember seeing it on a weeknight, I think the Tuesday after it opened, at Chicago's Biograph cinema with a sold-out audience and it was like a heart-stopping roller coaster ride. Probably the only time I felt like I was watching a movie with the ENTIRE audience - we were all terrible anxious and quiet at the same time and all jumped out of our seats at the same time.
It's easy to forget the impact it had because it's been copied (and indirectly remade) so many times since it first appeared in 1987 and also ushered in some incredibly dark social undertones to male/female relations as well as capturing the zeitgeist of sexual unease that had finally occurred to conservative heterosexuals in the age of AIDS. Regardless of what the it owes to Henri-Georges Cluzot's Diabolique in its final passage, Lyne packed in many solid, visceral, heart-thumping thrills prior to that in the film, thrills that were emotionally connected to our anxiety over the ease of betrayal...or the adrenaline rush that ran through the bodies of those of us who had been betrayed and thrilled to see our revenge fantasies played out on the big screen.
You'd think my bare ass could get one mention on this thread.
Adrian Lyne is such a genius, world class director. I can watch Nine and a Half Weeks, Unfaithful, Fatal Attraction, Indecent Proposal and its always like my first time.
When it came out I was working at a company full of Type A males, and that movie scared the crap of them like nothing I've seen before or since. They discussed it endlessly for weeks, and I really do think it changed the culture of the office a bit.
Every one of them looked at that movie and realized it could happen to them, and several of the women in the office were instantly categorized as potential bunny boilers.
I don't know, I love Moonstruck and Cher's performance was really endearing.
I think Fatal Attraction holds up well. Glenn looked really good, even the perm was flattering and she was a real beast in the sex scenes. I think she was really trying to overcome her somewhat patrician, yankee persona, and damn did she ever. Considering it was the 80's even the clothes looked good. Anne Archer was gorgeous but as someone else stated twee is the perfect word for her performance, I remember the critics really liked her though. The cinematography was typical of a Lyne film with the overuse of haze, still it looked modern and well produced. I just wish they stayed with the original tragic ending of Alex killing herself and setting Michael Douglas's character up as the murderer but I guess it didn't test well with audiences.
Audiences wanted a clear sense of who to root for, because most movie audiences are simply not sophisticated enough to deal with ambiguous characters. If the original suicide ending had remained, I think Dan's colossal failure would have been far more evident and audiences would have looked on him with scorn for bringing this harpy down on his family. However, with the ending they had it made Dan seem like a hero saving the godly American family from the queer threat.
As gay men naturally most of us gravitate toward the original ending with Alex killing herself. Glenn Close shares our feelings but only a minority audience could appreciate something as harrowing as that. As people have commented, the melodrama of the changed ending made the film more of a stylized piece.
This is how I'd respond to anybody who dared to say that Cher deserved that Oscar over Glenn:
I totally rooted for Glenn. It was the typical woman-stand-by-your-man-no-matter-what-he-does bullshit in terms of the wife.
I wish Adrian Lyne would do a gay movie thriller next.
The party scene and the office scene make publishing look so glamorous. And Alex's apartment in the Meatpacking District--with the now cliche freight elevator--was beyond chic to this gayling in the Ohio suburbs.
It was also the typical it's-always-the-woman's-fault bullshit.
R30, Cher totally deserved the Oscar for Moonstruck, as did Shanley and Dukakis. It's a terrific film and was a big hit. In order to understand how Cher actually won it, you have to look at everything that came before it and ignore everything she did after.
Well, the movie's adamned classic, and Glenn definitely deserves the lion's share of recognition, altho, I do have to praise Michael Douglas.
Back then, I didn't realize this characterization would be a type he would use with variations for years. The moral ambiguous, smart-assed, smug, guy who gets his ass handed to him.
I love to watch this, and I love A Perfect Murder. Michael plays these guys so well. They are also variations on his Gordon Gekko. I mean, I can see all three characters doing the things any one of them is doing in each film. If that makes sense.
I remember watching this at a theatre in Washington, D.C. in a very mixed audience, and the Black folk in the theatre started talking back to the screen. It was exhilerating. I felt that oneness with the audience, too.
We were all on the edge of our seats, and when some guy said, "Awe man, you better tell your wife, man..." etc. it was so fun. I can't remember watching a movie at a theatre that was so unifying. I felt like we were all friends with the same guy.
"Moonstruck" was just a piece of disposable fluff, as was Cher's performance. It was NOT Oscar caliber. I saw both Cher and Glenn Close's performances and Glenn's was definitely superior to Cher's. Cher's win was just another weird, undeserved Oscar win. There have been many (Whoopi Goldberg, Halle Berry, Tatum O'Neal, Grace Kelly, Marisa Tomei, Gwyneth Paltrow, Nicole Kidman, Juliette Binoche).
I loved Glenn's apartment in the Meat Packing District, which at the time was still a pretty sketchy neighborhood, nothing like it is now. That apartment would cost a fortune today.
Yes but Glenn's apt was also realistic not over stylized catalog or condo porn.
That's true, r47. Back then, Hollywood set designers still did realistic apartments/homes. Today, everything looks like it's out of Architectural Digest, no matter what the character's socioeconomic status is. And don't even get me started on movies/ tv shows set in NYC. It's hilarious how unrealistic almost every apartment is on movies and TV shows.
Actually the suicide ending would have made more sense to me as unstable she was and remember her fascination with Madame Butterfly.
Ugh, the suicide ending might make sense in theory but if you've seen it you'll know it activates Anne Archer's character and gives her more screen time. There are plenty of loose ends because of the re-written ending and they remain in the final cut. It all hinges on the cassette (?!) tape Alex gives Dan. It's neither interesting in a technological or emotional way and Dan still gets off scott-free and Alex is still dead.
I remember at the time thinking her perm wasn't all that flattering and that Glenn was kinda ugly.
There was a whole mysterious subplot with Alex's father who died of a heart attack in front of her when she was 6 - I think he sexually abused her.
It's all about AIDS
She was perfect in Dangerous Liaisons.
The best performance was Holly Hunter (Broadcast News).
That was one of the rare times that an actress would sweep all four critic awards (NY & LA, National Board and National Society) and not win the Oscar.
Here is the original ending to Fatal Attraction.
Test audiences **HATED IT** and TPTB had to do a re-shoot
Glenn refuses to do the re-shoot calling it a betrayal (her word) to the character. That she would kill herself, instead of being psycho.
For two weeks she fought it, until finally she relented when the studio said they wouldn't release the film until she did the re-shoot.
Yea that ending kind of sucked. I like the Alex as psycho stalker ending better.
Eww! That ending was a little over the top! I mean the whole movie was, but Christ, Ann Archer running along side the police car mouth-ing, "I love you, I wanna go with you!" sixty times, and then weeping as she listens to the tape, and then Glenn. You know what? I agree with Glenn. This was a kind of horror movie but that ending deserved to be on the proverbial cutting room floor.
Operator!!! I've been trying to get 555-8129. 212.... recording says it's been disconnected???!
Why didn't Lyne just COMBINE the two endings - have Alex attack the family home, wound Beth, get into a fight with Dan, run off back to her apartment then kill herself, then Dan get arrested for her murder?
WELL FUCK YOU!!!!
Unfortunately the suicide ending played to the worst side of Anne Archer
I LOVE how naturally the beginning of the affair played out. He notices her at the party, just because she stands out and gives his friend a dirty look. He might think she's hot, but really no intent to do anything. They had a brief flirtation during the office meeting, (the cream cheese on the nose scene) but that's it. They weren't expecting anything at that time either. They run into each other on the street, run out of the rain and get a drink.
During the restaurant scene, the possibility of hooking up is becoming more real, but it's still not a sure thing. But, they are truly intrigued by each other, not only looks, but conversation, personality.
And, then it shifts to Alex making her indirect proposal, and Dan jumps at the chance - because as far as an affair is concerned, it makes perfect sense. He didn't go looking for this, his wife is away, and he honestly believes this will be a "one and done". Even when he meets her the next day, he believes there's nothing more to it.
And, that's why it probably caused a lot of guys to pause. A lot of guys telling themselves that they're not Neanderthals, they don't go out aggressively hitting on women to cheat with their wife. But, they know that if they had an opportunity like Dan's, one they didn't go looking for, they'd do it.
I love Glenn in this. I really wasn't rooting for her overall, though she made some good points about being thrown away during her and Dan's walk and talk.
Her line delivery's are great and so are her crazy shift in emotions. "Well, Fuck YOU!!" is a great one as someone pointed out. Something everyone says, but the timing and one are perfect, and of course, "I'm not going to be ignooored, Dan."
Someone upthread said gays were all on Alex's side? I distinctly remember feeling for her at first, but then she went over the line in my mind, so I didn't want her to "win." But at the same time, I never wanted it to work out well for Dan, I just wasn't sympathetic towards him. And, finally, I didn't root for Beth Gallagher, either.
Was she really pregnant or just using it as a ploy. I was always fuzzy on that.
I think that's something they forgot to address r65. Since she offered Dan the card of her doctor, I assumed she was.
There were some really honest beautiful scenes in this movie despite which elevates it to an Oscar caliber movie. The scene wear Dan sees Beth applying her makeup and just completely melting at the site of her..really genuine chemistry and sets up Archer as the perfect wife, who you really actually like. Also the scene of little Ellen rehearsing for her play and Dan watching in the background and realizing how bad he fucked everything up and how much he loves his family. Both scenes are really heartfelt.
I like the cinematography- I love the scene when Alex is creeping around their new home in the dark. Beautifully shot.
The rollercoaster ride in the fog is also great
[quote]my god, Glenn Close was a sexual animal in this. In their sex scenes she looks insatiable
These are words I never needed to see. Night terrors will follow.
r70 - piss off Meryl. You think you're masturbating over Clint Eastwood in the bath tub was any less repulsive?
What do you think of Glenn's hair on the cover of TIME?
I do chuckle at how Douglas made himself into some sort of homme fatale by pairing up with some of the most talented and lovely leading ladies like Glenn, Kathleen Turner, Demi Moore, Sharon Stone and Annette Bening, when in reality, he has never been much to look at.
I never thought Alex was in the right in any way. She knew he was married, it was she who approached him, and she assured him that it was only a fling and that she'd be discreet about it. If they really wanted Dan to wrong her he should have hit on her and lied about his wife.
Dan slept with her twice. For some people, the physical act trumps any declarations of resistance.
He slept with her twice on the terms that she established -- that it wasn't a love affair, just a weekend fling.
But during that lunch they had together at her apartment, he said "I don't think it's possible to continue this." Alex was wistful/depressed and said "Just my luck" - cut to them just having had sex again.
To her that was the deal-breaker.
r74, the point I got was that there was something mentally wrong with her, but he didn't find out until he was in over his head.
Lyne's directing is top notch. There is just an air of suspense that hangs over practically every frame.
The bathtub ending ruined the movie. Close was right in not wanting to film it. It cost her the oscar, as well as prevented the film from winning best picture.
Speaking of which, has anyone actually ever watched THE LAST EMPEROR? It swept the oscars that year, yet you never hear about it or even see it on cable.
I really liked the ending. I almost crapped myself when she popped back up out of the bathtub.
Cher won because it was her year. She had been snubbed for MASK, and turned in a decent nominated peformance in SILKWOOD. MOONSTRUCK was a big hit that year as was WITCHES OF EASTWICK and SUSPECT. There was a sense that Cher was truly coming into her own as an actress and that she was going to be on the level of a Streep and Lange. Close and her had the biggest momentum going into the race, but Cher had the more family friendly film so to speak.
Holly Hunter did minimal press to promote BROADCAST NEWS, which no doubt hurt her chances. Cindy Adams in particular took to her column to complain about how rude Hunter was to the press. And then you had Sally Kirkland......
Here's the Musical version - it really accentuates the campy appeal of the movie:
r19.. it was a girl.. called Ellen
for years i thought there were calling him Allen..
I don't know if you noticed this, but the Gallaghers inherited Kim Basinger's apartment from 9 and a Half Weeks, the one where she and Mickey had their infamous food sex scene.
I wonder if they used the same fridge?
That is no excuse r81. Oscars should be awarded to real actors who demonstrate their craft in a profound and artistic sense, not superficial entertainers for the masses.
That was really the problem - if Beth had been as sexually adventurous as the previous tenants, Dan wouldn't have had an affair.
I love all the posts about the little boy.
[quote]for years i thought there were calling him Allen..
You guys are soooo bad.
Again Holly Hunter SWEPT all four major critics awards, and went home empty handed.
[quote]I don't know, I love Moonstruck and Cher's performance was really endearing.
I agree. I don't get why people have to shit on Cher and "Moonstruck" to justify why they think Close deserved the Oscar. Maybe she did, but really, what difference does it make? Close was good, Cher was good...it's a crap shoot and based greatly on popularity anyway.
Seriously, people? I can't fish one compliment out of you about my buttocks?
When you consider that back then the voters were mostly geriatrics then you can understand why Moonstruck won. I agree with R89, but Fatal Attraction took people way out of their comfort zones and gave us a fresh, disturbing take in infidelity.
They were both outstanding movies for their genre, but Cher winning for Moonstruck was predictable given who voted.
AMPAS still skews older, but it has benefited from invoting more & more younger artists as voting members in the past 8 years.
Glenn Close's hair in this is the only time that awful frizzy perm hairstyle that was everywhere in the 80s actually looked good.
I loved this movie but for the obvious casting flaw being Ms. Close...should have been Sally Field.
Sally Field would have been interesting as the henpecking wife. Then the affair would have been even more believable.
"Did you have an affair with her?""
"What it's got to do with what's happened?"
"OH GOD, I WANNA WHYYYYYYYYYYYYY?!!! WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYY? OH LORD, I WISH I COULD UNDERSTAND. NO. NO. NO. IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN THIS WAY."
Is it true that Liza Minnelli auditioned for Alex?
[quote]Is it true that Liza Minnelli auditioned for Alex?
Yes, to play Alexsh Forresht.
Lucille Ball would have made a great Alex.
"... he tried... to schay goodbye to me lascht night.. but he couldn't becausche.... he and i feel the same way about each other..... you think I don't know what you're doing? You're trying to move him into the country and you're taking him away from me and you're playing.... happy familische! You're so schelfisch.... you're so scthupid... you're just a schtupid, schelfish bitch!"
So, what can I get you? I've got scotch, I've got vodka, I've got a nice chablis in the---
"In Fatal Attraction, Beth fights to regain her idyllic life of homely bliss, but after what has happened, can Eden remain? The fall has occurred through forbidden sexuality. Indeed, there seems little enough sexuality in the marriage itself. The little daughter's innocence has been shattered, her pastoral world destroyed, it would seem (although the film doesn't come to terms with this), by a crazed stranger, who also happens to be her father's lover and potential child-bearer. Her parents are murderers. This, we are to believe, is the ideal family of the 1980s."
"Was she really pregnant or just using it as a ploy. I was always fuzzy on that."
I think it was a trick, in spite of the doctor's card, the preg test kit in the bathroom, etc.
The issue of Dan's conversation with the doctor did not ring true. What doctor would give out that kind of patient information, even to someone who claimed to be the baby's father, or the woman's spouse? For that matter, what GYN is even going to TALK to a random guy who calls his office asking whether someone is really pregnant?
That was a strangely specific plot detail that raised more questions than it answered. The storyline would have been much better if Dan did not really know whether Alex was lying to him or not.
I would have loved to see Alex played by Richard Simmons.
Let's face it R103, the only difference between Glenn and Richard was hair color.
I'm watching the Biography Channel's Inside Story about Fatal Attraction right now.
The up front stuff is really interesting. All the studios passed on the movie originally because they didn't see how you can make a movie where you have to root for a character that cheats on his wife 10 minutes into the story.
But then Brian De Palma got interested in and when he agreed to direct it, Paramount gave them the go ahead.
Ten weeks before they were ready to start filming though, De Palma said he didn't want Michael Douglas as the lead because he didn't feel Douglas could play a sympathetic character. So the producers Sherry Lansing and Stanley Jaffe took a risk and stuck with their choice of Michael Douglas which meant De Palma backed out.
They thought losing De Palma would mean Paramount would back out of agreeing to finance the movie, but lucky for them, the studio didn't.
I'm trying to image the movie as De Palma would have made it. It would have been so different - possibly still a good movie though.
R98 has me in stitches.
To expand a bit on r105, Brian De Palma asked form some script re-writes that would have made the Glenn Close character a more sinister character with some more psychotic behavior.
Also when De Palma stood firm that he didn't want to make the movie with Michael Douglas as the lead, he had another actor he wanted. On the Biography show they didn't say who that actor was. I'd like to know who he liked for the role.
In today's Manhattan, you would have to be a prince from Dubai or a Russian billionaire to afford Alex's apartment in the Meat Packing District.
Things have changed a lot since the 80s
One of my all-time favorite thrillers. An homage (some say knock-off) to "Play Misty For Me", which was also very good.