Why did Wilona have to live in the Ghetto? She had a good job, they even gave her promotion to dressing room security in that one episode.%0D %0D Why were James and Florida together, he could have done better, right?%0D %0D How did Thelma and Michael spring from the same gene pool as JJ?%0D %0D
Let''s talk about "Good Times"
|by Anonymous||reply 332||01/20/2015|
|by Anonymous||reply 1||12/08/2010|
Scratching and surviving.
|by Anonymous||reply 2||12/08/2010|
Easy credit ripoffs.
|by Anonymous||reply 3||12/08/2010|
Hangin' in a chow line!
|by Anonymous||reply 4||12/08/2010|
As I recall, they lived in public housing as many working people do in very large cities where rent is quite high.
They loved each other and had been together for a long time. Also, in black culture, a large, pretty woman is not nec. seen as the pariah she is in white culture.
As to your third question, look at any family and compare the siblings; chances are in many cases you will have the same question.
|by Anonymous||reply 5||12/08/2010|
this child has been abuuuuuuuuuuused
|by Anonymous||reply 6||12/08/2010|
"Why were James and Florida together, he could have done better, right?"%0D %0D James may have been handsome, but he was PORE!!%0D He never had a steady job, while Florida was Maude's maid for years. She probably earned more than he did during their marriage, and a man who earns less than a maid can't picky about women's looks.%0D
|by Anonymous||reply 7||12/08/2010|
Damn! Damn! Damn! Here we go again!
|by Anonymous||reply 8||12/08/2010|
I love Wilona!
|by Anonymous||reply 9||12/08/2010|
|by Anonymous||reply 10||12/08/2010|
Wilona. Was. Ghetto.
|by Anonymous||reply 11||12/08/2010|
Ah yes, J.J. He was as stereotypical as Stepin Fetchit, but black audiences loved him. They'd bust a gut laughing whenever he said "dy-no-mite!" He was lazy and shiftless, but he was an "artist", so that made it alright. As it is in tv shows, he was homely as a horse's ass but still managed to have beautiful girls fall for him. And it is hard to believe that he was the offspring of James and Florida; he looked downright deformed compared to Thelma and Michael. %0D %0D It was never stated what Wilona's "job at the Boutique" consisted of. Salesgirl? Cashier? Manager? Buyer? And even if she had a job there, it still wouldn't have paid for her extensive black-sistah wardrobe. I think she probably did hooking on the side to pay for all those fancy ghetto clothes.
|by Anonymous||reply 12||12/08/2010|
What, 12 posts and no mention of the show's biggest star, John Amos' bulge? That thing should've had top billing. Just the thought of that crotch covered by those tight tan cords gets me rock hard.
|by Anonymous||reply 13||12/08/2010|
As for why James was with Florida, why is anyone with anyone? He expressed affection and even lust so either he was in love with her and her size was not an issue or he liked her that way.
|by Anonymous||reply 14||12/08/2010|
Why did they call Michael "Grandpa"? [quote]Did you have a date last night Wilona? [quote]I sure did, Grandpa! He was a bus driver for the CTA and believe me he wanted to see some T and A! But I told him this was my stop! ...And then he hit me...
|by Anonymous||reply 15||12/08/2010|
No, mama, not the iron! NOT THE IRON!
|by Anonymous||reply 16||12/08/2010|
When Florida was still on "Maude", her husband was played by John Amos, but his name was Henry. Anyone know why it was changed when they spun the character's off?
|by Anonymous||reply 17||12/08/2010|
"When Florida was still on "Maude", her husband was played by John Amos, but his name was Henry. Anyone know why it was changed when they spun the character's off?"%0D %0D "James" suited the character better, I guess. And they needed a cool ghetto name for the character's first son and "J.J." was a good one, coming from from "James Junior."%0D %0D They sometimes change names on tv series. Jethro on "The Beverly Hillbillies" was originally named "Fred." Fred...that was good for William Fawley on "I Love Lucy" but not this character. He ended up being Jethro, Jethro Bodine, which was perfect. %0D %0D
|by Anonymous||reply 18||12/08/2010|
Florida was actually James' mother. There was some weird Toni Morrison-esque incest shit going on up in there.
|by Anonymous||reply 19||12/08/2010|
The show would have been even better if they could edit out the JJ parts. He's the Jar Jar Binks of 70s comedy.
|by Anonymous||reply 20||12/08/2010|
As a young white kid growing up in backwoods Mississippi, I LOVED Good Times; you couldn't pull me away from it. For some reason, it felt comfortable to me, like I fit in better with that family than with my own.
I'd LOVE to see a GoodTimes reunion made-for-TV movie or something. Everyone is still alive except for Ms. Florida I think, right? Or, is she alive also?
I think the ratings would be huge. Oprah should make it a plan for her new network.
|by Anonymous||reply 21||12/08/2010|
Now that I think about it, how did Wilona afford that fabulous wardrobe and wigs?
|by Anonymous||reply 22||12/08/2010|
We, meaning YOU, the movie-going public, need a Good Times movie.
|by Anonymous||reply 23||12/08/2010|
Florida... Sherri Shepherd
James... Denzel Washington
JJ... Jaleel White
Thelma... Raven Symone
Michael... The hot Old Spice Guy
Willona... Jennifer Hudson
|by Anonymous||reply 24||12/08/2010|
Michael was mature beyond his years, hence the "Grandpa" nickname.
|by Anonymous||reply 25||12/08/2010|
Slap her, Wilona!
|by Anonymous||reply 26||12/08/2010|
|by Anonymous||reply 27||12/08/2010|
[quote]Why did Wilona have to live in the Ghetto?
Because RENT IS TOO DAMN HIGH!
|by Anonymous||reply 28||12/08/2010|
John Amos's flared nostrils
|by Anonymous||reply 29||12/08/2010|
Wilona had that wardrobe because she got an employee discount.
|by Anonymous||reply 30||12/08/2010|
It makes sense that she can afford the wardrobe because she's saving money on rent.%0D %0D R24, you can't have Wilona the same age Michael. Halle Barry as Wilona. Angela Bassett as Florida.
|by Anonymous||reply 31||12/08/2010|
[quote]I think she probably did hooking on the side to pay for all those fancy ghetto clothes.
SLAP HER, WILLONA!
|by Anonymous||reply 32||12/08/2010|
Best episode is the one where they find out their elderly neighbor is eating dog food because she's so broke. They invite her to dinner and she brings her special meatloaf. Hilarious avoidance of said meatloaf ensues.
|by Anonymous||reply 33||12/08/2010|
Ill play Michael's boyfriend!
|by Anonymous||reply 34||12/08/2010|
How did Florida travel from Chicago to Tuckahoe every day to work for Maude? Did Maude and Walter pay for her airfare? I don't think there would have been that much money left after Walter paid his bar tab.
|by Anonymous||reply 35||12/08/2010|
Chip Fields was electrifying as Penny's biological mother. A really compelling performance.
|by Anonymous||reply 36||12/08/2010|
I used to watch this show when I was really young...and I did not understand why JJ would always call Thelma ugly...I didn't think it made sense...she was quite pretty...and I thought he was so ugly. I did have a crush on Michael.
|by Anonymous||reply 37||12/08/2010|
Didn't the storyline have it that Florida and her family moved to Chicago and that's why she had to leave the Findlays?%0D %0D The thing I remember most about this show is that whenever someone made some kind of profound statement, there would be applause and you could hear someone shout "Right on!"%0D %0D
|by Anonymous||reply 38||12/08/2010|
"But, daddy, boy is a white man's word."
|by Anonymous||reply 39||12/08/2010|
[quote][R24], you can't have Wilona the same age Michael.
I was just kidding. That was the first really hot younger African-American actor who popped into my head, and was a comment on how famously great Michael's body was (that ass!).
I can't think of a famous young male African-American actor with a great body under the age of 20 at the moment, but I'm sure other people will mention someone more appropriate age-wise for Michael.
|by Anonymous||reply 40||12/08/2010|
[quote]How did Florida travel from Chicago to Tuckahoe every day to work for Maude? Did Maude and Walter pay for her airfare? I don't think there would have been that much money left after Walter paid his bar tab.%0D %0D I really hope you are joking and not stupid.
|by Anonymous||reply 41||12/08/2010|
The cast for a "Good Times" movie? Isn't it obvious? The Smith family -- Will, Jada Pinkett, Jaden and Willow. Forget if they match the ages or the look of the original characters. Perhaps they have a few other relatives who can be extras. Tom Cruise can make a cameo as Booker.
|by Anonymous||reply 42||12/08/2010|
[quote]and I did not understand why JJ would always call Thelma ugly...I didn't think it made sense...she was quite pretty...
You're an only child aren't you?
R24/40, Tequan Richmond from "Everybody Hates Chris" would be perfect as Michael.
|by Anonymous||reply 43||12/08/2010|
The line shouted out from the studio audience in the confrontation scene with Penny's abusive mother actually was just "YOU TELL HER, WILLONA!," not "SLAP HER, WILLONA!"
But I love that the latter has become a running gag on DL.
|by Anonymous||reply 44||12/08/2010|
I wanted Amos to do bad things to me.
|by Anonymous||reply 45||12/08/2010|
I think Michael started my big butt fetish. In the later seasons of the show he started wearing the paint on pants that showed off his bubble butt just right!
|by Anonymous||reply 46||12/08/2010|
When you're young, and in love....
|by Anonymous||reply 47||12/08/2010|
Agree that Michael in the later seasons had a hot, tight little bod with an ass that wouldn't quit. I'd'a sucked him.
|by Anonymous||reply 48||12/08/2010|
The change from Henry to James may have been because "Amos 'N Andy" were originally "Sam and Henry" and Norman Lear didn't want that stereotype.
|by Anonymous||reply 49||12/08/2010|
Why did James leave the family?
|by Anonymous||reply 50||12/08/2010|
[quote]Tom Cruise can make a cameo as Booker.%0D %0D I love this idea!
|by Anonymous||reply 51||12/08/2010|
Esther Rolle was 19 years older than John Amos
|by Anonymous||reply 52||12/08/2010|
correct Florida left Maude to move back to Chicago.
|by Anonymous||reply 53||12/08/2010|
I love the Evans Family.
And you too Willona.
|by Anonymous||reply 54||12/08/2010|
How much was a can of paint in Chicago in the mid seventies? They could have painted those nasty assed walls. Isn't John Amos gay?
|by Anonymous||reply 55||12/08/2010|
I love the studio audience. You HAVE to catch the Christmas ep from one of the later seasons when Penny shoplifts a piece of jewelry as a gift for Willona, if just to hear someone in the audience shout "No, don't do it, Penny!"
|by Anonymous||reply 56||12/08/2010|
The word was John Amos had a huge problem with the way JJ was written. He said it was a shame they made him into such a clown.
|by Anonymous||reply 57||12/08/2010|
So did Esther Rolle, I think. She left then came back.
|by Anonymous||reply 58||12/08/2010|
Please...somebody explain to me the presence of a door-with a latch-in the kitchen.
The door was NEVER used nor referenced in any way. Since it was latched, it must have led to the outside. But where?
Why make it part of the set anyway?
I watched for years and every time I saw that door I wanted to unlatch it and see what was on the other side!
|by Anonymous||reply 59||12/08/2010|
Do any of you remember the DYN-O-MITE! song?
|by Anonymous||reply 60||12/08/2010|
[quote]The door was NEVER used nor referenced in any way. Since it was latched, it must have led to the outside. But where? It led to a tesseract that connected to the door at the top of the balcony in the Brady Bunch's house that was also to a place that was never shown. Marcia Brady and Michael Evans used to sneak back and forth so they could fuck each other.
|by Anonymous||reply 61||12/08/2010|
Where did JJ and Michael keep their close and other things, given that they had no room of their own and slept on the couch?%0D %0D
|by Anonymous||reply 62||12/08/2010|
Wasn't that Greg's attic hang-out, [r61]?
|by Anonymous||reply 63||12/08/2010|
That door in their kitchen lead to the mysterious kitchen door in the Ricardos apartment during the first couple of seasons.
|by Anonymous||reply 64||12/08/2010|
[quote]Where did JJ and Michael keep their close and other things,
|by Anonymous||reply 65||12/08/2010|
I used to wonder where JJ and Michael kept their clothes too.
|by Anonymous||reply 66||12/08/2010|
You can hear the audience saying "slap him" "hit him" starting at the 3:30 mark. I didn't hear it with the mother, only the guy she hired to set up "Willona."
|by Anonymous||reply 67||12/08/2010|
I loved James' bulge, but boy did he turn me off when he yelled. He reminded me of my dad.
I also loved when Thelma got married and Keith joined the cast, I think he was first person I jacked off too.
|by Anonymous||reply 68||12/08/2010|
Is John Amas still alive?%0D %0D Whatever happened to Jimmy Walker? He made one or two films that did Okay, not great business...and then he vanished.
|by Anonymous||reply 69||12/08/2010|
To this day, my sister and I can't walk past an iron without re-enacting the "Penny" scene.
And no thread would be complete without the best scene ever.
|by Anonymous||reply 70||12/08/2010|
You jacked off the actor who played Keith even before jacking yourself off, r68?
|by Anonymous||reply 71||12/08/2010|
[quote] Is John Amas still alive?
Yes John AmOs is still alive. He was just in a episode of "Lie To Me" a couple of weeks ago.
|by Anonymous||reply 72||12/08/2010|
Is it true JJ dated Ann COukter or ar ethey just friends?
|by Anonymous||reply 73||12/08/2010|
IIRC, Wilona had a groovy apartment to match her groovy threads. Maybe she was able to do the ghetto in style since she was single with no kids.
And were Florida and Wilona supposed to be the same age? They always made it sound like the two of them grew up together.
|by Anonymous||reply 74||12/08/2010|
They lived in Detroit, not Chicago.
|by Anonymous||reply 75||12/08/2010|
Well it must be Thanksgiving, because they turkey just walked through the door *clap*!
|by Anonymous||reply 76||12/08/2010|
I throw my hands up in the air sometimes saying A-YO gotta let go...
|by Anonymous||reply 77||12/08/2010|
[quote] They lived in Detroit, not Chicago.
A poor Afro-American family make the best of things in the Chicago housing projects.
|by Anonymous||reply 78||12/08/2010|
[quote]Hangin' in a chow line!
r4, I think it's "Hangin' out and jivin'."
|by Anonymous||reply 79||12/08/2010|
And here I am, R79. It is "chow line."
|by Anonymous||reply 80||12/08/2010|
[quote]They lived in Detroit, not Chicago.
Looks like Chicago to me.
|by Anonymous||reply 81||12/08/2010|
They lived in Cabrini Green, a well-known Chicago landmark.
|by Anonymous||reply 82||12/08/2010|
John Amos is very much alive. According to several posts on DL he is dating some young, twink soap opera actor.
|by Anonymous||reply 83||12/08/2010|
I think Wilona worked at Marshall Fields, but what did Florida do for a living? Also, were there no three bedrooms in their building. It must have sucked for JJ and Michael to have to sleep on the couch.
Remember when JJ got VD and Debbie Allen was shooting up the H?
|by Anonymous||reply 84||12/08/2010|
R83, and that rumor was easily one of the funniest I've ever read on here.
|by Anonymous||reply 85||12/08/2010|
En garde, r80! It seems we are both wrong. From an interview with Alan and Marilyn Bergman, who wrote the song:
You wrote the lyrics to the Good Times theme. Have you seen the Chappelle%E2%80%99s Show skit %E2%80%9CI Know Black People%E2%80%9D?
Chappelle played a quiz-show host, testing contestants%E2%80%99 knowledge of black culture. The question that stumped them all involved a lyric from %E2%80%9CGood Times,%E2%80%9D %E2%80%9Changin%E2%80%99 in a chow line.%E2%80%9D
Marilyn: Well there%E2%80%99s no such line!
Alan: It%E2%80%99s %E2%80%9Changing out and jiving.%E2%80%9D
Marilyn: No, it%E2%80%99s %E2%80%9Changing in and jiving.%E2%80%9D I have to look it up. Norman Lear asked us to write a theme for that show, as he did for%E2%80%A6what else?
|by Anonymous||reply 86||12/08/2010|
It's neither "Hangin' in a chow line" NOR "Hangin' in and jivin"--it's "Hangin' in a jury"!
|by Anonymous||reply 87||12/08/2010|
John Amos is one half of a gay couple on "Two and a Half Men." The other half is Stacey Keach.
|by Anonymous||reply 88||12/08/2010|
r83, the twink actor you're thinking of is the incredibly flaming but straight Jean Paul Lavoisier of OLTL. And it's not John Amos who supposedly "discovered" and fucked him. It was silver-dollar-nipple actor John Enos, of Melrose Place & Y&R, who found Jean Paul.
|by Anonymous||reply 89||12/08/2010|
I'd like to see Charlie Sheen call John Amos a nigger in one of his drunken rages lemmie see John wind his arm way back to Roots and give that punk ass bitch a left hook to the face!
|by Anonymous||reply 90||12/08/2010|
This was in the comments at R70:
"I was at the hair store the other day and this woman was trying to%EF%BB%BF get this lacefront wig at the thrift store....it was sold out I'm not kidding she said....DAMN DAMN DAMN!!! lol"
As a kid, did anyone else believe it was the cast singing the "Good Times" theme song?
|by Anonymous||reply 91||12/08/2010|
John AMOS and JPL have been together for almost 10 years. They have a great apartment on the UWS, One DLer even went to a dinner party at their home and raved about it on here.
|by Anonymous||reply 92||12/08/2010|
"Goodbye ghetto, hello disco" "PARTY,PARTY!"
|by Anonymous||reply 93||12/08/2010|
r91, I figured out how Wilona could afford her fly clothes! She got a check every time the theme to "The Jeffersons" was played.
|by Anonymous||reply 94||12/08/2010|
[quote]I was at the hair store the other day and this woman was trying to get this lacefront wig at the thrift store
|by Anonymous||reply 95||12/08/2010|
[quote]As a kid, did anyone else believe it was the cast singing the "Good Times" theme song?%0D %0D So I wasn't the only one! I always thought the cast was singing the theme song.
|by Anonymous||reply 96||12/08/2010|
Dave Chappelle as JJ
|by Anonymous||reply 97||12/08/2010|
As a kid, did anyone else believe it was the cast singing the "Good Times" theme song?%0D %0D %0D Of course!
|by Anonymous||reply 98||12/08/2010|
Good Times is probably one of the few examples, if not the only example, of the spinoff being more popular and successful than the parent show.
|by Anonymous||reply 99||12/08/2010|
How about The Facts of Life, R99?
|by Anonymous||reply 100||12/08/2010|
I was thinking about that, but Diff'rent Strokes was very successful in its own right. Gary Coleman was a huge star. Maude was a great show, but I think Good Times was generally a more commercially successful series.
|by Anonymous||reply 101||12/08/2010|
The Tracey Ullman Show ---> The Simpsons.
|by Anonymous||reply 102||12/08/2010|
I think All in the Family was more successful than Good Times.
|by Anonymous||reply 103||12/08/2010|
[quote] I think All in the Family was more successful than Good Times.
But Good Times wasn't a direct spin-off of All in the Family.
|by Anonymous||reply 104||12/08/2010|
I'm sure if you keep moving the goalposts you will eventually end up with the conclusion you wanted.
|by Anonymous||reply 105||12/08/2010|
I also thought at least Ja'Net DuBois was singing the female part of the theme song--
|by Anonymous||reply 106||12/08/2010|
No, R106, but as noted before, Ms. DuBois was the lead voice on the classic Jeffersons theme song.
|by Anonymous||reply 107||12/08/2010|
107 posts and the exegesis is not yet complete. Carry on, Datalounge scholars.
|by Anonymous||reply 108||12/08/2010|
And Mike Evans (Lionel #1) co-produced and wrote the first couple of seasons of Good Times. Damn, those Norman Lear sitcoms were incestuous.
|by Anonymous||reply 109||12/08/2010|
|by Anonymous||reply 110||12/08/2010|
[quote] No, [R106], but as noted before, Ms. DuBois was the lead voice on the classic Jeffersons theme song.
She also co-wrote that theme song
|by Anonymous||reply 111||12/08/2010|
The back door in the kitchen probably led directly to a staircase that went down to the garbage area. High-rises require more than one exit in the event of fire.
The "Florida" of GOOD TIMES wasn't supposed to be the same person who was the maid on MAUDE. The producers kept that deliberately vague because they wanted people who liked Esther Rolle to keep watching her even though her character was situated very differently in her new show.
|by Anonymous||reply 112||12/08/2010|
"As for why James was with Florida, why is anyone with anyone? He expressed affection and even lust so either he was in love with her and her size was not an issue or he liked her that way."
I am pretty sure no one is blasting her for her size which was average, it's her fugly ass face, nappy hair, and her continuously sweaty face and body we are referring to.
|by Anonymous||reply 113||12/08/2010|
Yet, they were believeable as a married couple. You could see them having sex. Wasn't Isabel Sanford something like 15 years Sherman Hemsley's senior? Now, you REALLY believe that they were married. Black just don't crack!
|by Anonymous||reply 114||12/08/2010|
How many spinoffs of spinoffs have their been?
AITF to Maude to Good Times
AITF to The Jeffersons to Checking In (canceled quickly)
|by Anonymous||reply 115||12/08/2010|
Didn't Nurses come from Empty Nest, which came from Golden Girls?
|by Anonymous||reply 116||12/08/2010|
Good one! Yes,
Golden Girls to Empty Nest to Nurses
|by Anonymous||reply 117||12/08/2010|
[quote]Tequan Richmond from "Everybody Hates Chris" would be perfect as Michael. Great choice. Actually several EHC alums would be good. Terry Crews would make a great James Evans, and Tichina Arnold could pull of Wilona, or maybe better yet Tisha Campbell (Peaches on EHC, and Gina on "Martin") could play Wilona. But, I guess you wouldn't want to use all of them, since then it's just the same cast.
|by Anonymous||reply 118||12/08/2010|
Looking at how we remember it, it's easy to forget that GOOD TIMES started with lofty ideals about being a sit-com with a purpose and a message. How quickly it descended into J.J.'s minstrel humor punctuated by a steady line of insult jokes!
|by Anonymous||reply 119||12/08/2010|
White writers, R119.
They don't let blacks in the writing rooms. Those shows were all about white Hollywood guys who decided they knew what was best for a black show.
|by Anonymous||reply 120||12/09/2010|
You think too simplistically, r120. There were black writers involved throughout the show's life. The whole JJ/"DynOmite" thing became really huge and took on a life of its own, and that's what they chose to capitalize on. I think after that died down, and especially after Estelle Rolle agreed to return on condition that it would no longer be a minstrel show, they tried to return it to its roots. However, by that point, the show was in a downward spiral.
|by Anonymous||reply 121||12/09/2010|
R120 = Our resident, racist, shit stirring, white-people-hating black panther who unfortunately still hasn't died in a horrible grease fire.
|by Anonymous||reply 122||12/09/2010|
Idris Elba as James
Queen Latifah as Florida
Regina King as Wilona
Tyler James Williams as JJ
Paula Patton as Thelma
Corbin Bleu as Michael
Chi McBrde as Bookman
Paris Jackson as Penny Woods
Matt Lanter as Keith Anderson (Character rewrite)
Anna Maria Horsford as Weeping Wanda
Ving Rhams as Alderman Fred Davis
Kim Fields as Penny's Mom
|by Anonymous||reply 123||12/09/2010|
R113- You really need to die in a grease fire. I just hate it when white people make comments referring to black hair as "nappy" like it is a bad thing. She wore her hair natural like millions of other black women did back then and now. There is nothing unattractive about a black woman wearing her natural hair. Not all of us want to conform to what the white world wants us to look like with long flowing bone straight hair. %0D %0D R120- Is correct. It is not a secret that many "black shows" have a vast majority of white whiters, more white writers than black ones. I would be surprised if Good Times had more than one black writer, if that.
|by Anonymous||reply 124||12/09/2010|
"Ooooooooh!"%0D %0D I thought it was "Woooooo!" The audience would make that sound when there was any suggestion at all of sexuality or maybe the threat of violence. %0D %0D There was a character that appeared now and the, a pimp called "Sweet Daddy." Whenever he appeared he was all decked out in a Superfly outfit and was flanked by two goons dressed the same way. Whenever he appeared the audience would go "woooooo!" in admiration. %0D %0D I remember Gary Coleman on the show. I don't know how old he was then, but he looked like a toddler, he was so stunted. As I recall he had the hots for Penny and said something to her like "don't talk that way to your man!" I thought Coleman was an annoying litte creep, but the audience found him hilarious. As for Penny...well, she was just as unbearable as Coleman. She had the hots for J.J. and at one point even suggested they sleep in the same bed! Yech. But again, the audience found her lust for J.J. so very amusing.
|by Anonymous||reply 125||12/09/2010|
I seem to recall reading they brought some black writers/consultants in when Amos and Rolle protested the minstrel aspects of the JJ character. But like someone else said, the popularity of that character was really beyond anything the writers could control. It's what the audience wanted.
|by Anonymous||reply 126||12/09/2010|
I was listening to a radio show a few days ago and a comedian that worked with Jimmy Walker not too long ago said he and the other comedians were under VERY strict instructions to not say the phrase Dynomite! in front of Walker. I forgot the comedians name, I'm sure I can find it though, but he didn't give a good impression of what its like working with Walker.
The comedian said the funny thing was all of Walker's after show merchandise had the taboo word plastered all over it.
|by Anonymous||reply 127||12/09/2010|
r125, I think you're kind of creepy if you dont find this at least a little funny.
|by Anonymous||reply 128||12/09/2010|
R123, you forgot:
Jimmy Walker as Ned the Wino.
|by Anonymous||reply 129||12/09/2010|
|by Anonymous||reply 130||12/14/2010|
We play Florida's "damn damn damn" scene backwards in slow mo.
Mmmmaddd Mmmmaddd Mmmmaddd!!!
|by Anonymous||reply 131||12/15/2010|
[quote] I remember Gary Coleman on the show. I don't know how old he was then, but he looked like a toddler, he was so stunted.
I also remember seeing him on an episode of "Fermwood Tonight." He was obviously a Norman Lear fave.
|by Anonymous||reply 132||12/15/2010|
Natural black hair DOES NOT EQUATE nappy hair R-124, you self hating, paranoid, douche bag, nappy hair is hair that has not been combed or washed regularly and ends up with knots in it, and her hair WAS nappy, so go kindly fuck off you shit stirring asshole.
|by Anonymous||reply 133||12/17/2010|
Why didn't the late great Esther Rolle get at least one Emmy nomination for best actress (for [italic]Good Times[/italic])?
|by Anonymous||reply 134||12/17/2010|
Because striking a majestic pose and adopting a commanding tone while feeding straight lines to J.J. isn't the sort of thing they usually award people for doing, R134.
|by Anonymous||reply 135||12/17/2010|
R133- Just fucking DIE already. I doubt you are black or even know any black people. Your argument is too stupid to even comment on.
|by Anonymous||reply 136||12/18/2010|
I hated Florida so much, flames, flaming,..on the side of my face, breath, heaving..
|by Anonymous||reply 137||12/18/2010|
Can we please go back to talking about James' bulge?
|by Anonymous||reply 138||03/15/2011|
Ralph Carter (Michael Evans) had an album in the 70s that produced two singles.
|by Anonymous||reply 139||03/15/2011|
Michael Evans does Soul Train
|by Anonymous||reply 140||03/15/2011|
you just know that James & Willona were getting it on.
|by Anonymous||reply 141||03/15/2011|
Wasn't there a sequel with JJ, where he was running a foster home?
|by Anonymous||reply 142||03/15/2011|
Why were they hangin' in a chow line? Couldn't they find chow on their own without having to wait in line?
|by Anonymous||reply 143||03/15/2011|
I'm shocked that the actor who played Bookman will be 73 this year according to IMDB.
|by Anonymous||reply 144||03/15/2011|
Am I the only one who thinks the actor who played Michael is gay?
|by Anonymous||reply 145||03/15/2011|
I am a member of the Willona Woods fan page on Facebook.
|by Anonymous||reply 146||03/15/2011|
I thought he was out, r145.
|by Anonymous||reply 147||03/15/2011|
It's hard to believe that hunky Ben Powers who played "Keith" is 62 years old!
|by Anonymous||reply 148||03/16/2011|
Gary Coleman is brilliant in that clip. So funny for a child actor.
|by Anonymous||reply 149||03/16/2011|
"Am I the only one who thinks the actor who played Michael is gay?"%0D %0D Considering that he has been out for about a kajillion years, no. %0D %0D
|by Anonymous||reply 150||03/16/2011|
JJ was not "lazy and shiftless". He was steadily portrayed as working especially after James died.
|by Anonymous||reply 151||03/16/2011|
|by Anonymous||reply 152||03/16/2011|
Right,r51, and remember that J.J. was also an artist. His caricatures were displayed quite often. Lazy and shiftless he wasn't.
|by Anonymous||reply 153||03/16/2011|
Oops, I meant r151!
|by Anonymous||reply 154||03/16/2011|
Did you know that Esther Rolle couldn't stand Jan'et Dubois?
|by Anonymous||reply 155||03/16/2011|
Slap her, Esther!
|by Anonymous||reply 156||03/16/2011|
Shut Up JJ!
|by Anonymous||reply 157||03/16/2011|
Now that I believe, r155.
|by Anonymous||reply 158||03/16/2011|
Maybe Esther Rolle couldn't stand Jan'et Dubois because the Wilona character was just as much a stereotype as J.J. The sassy black neighbor all decked out in ghetto chic outfits who prances and flounces in and out of the apartment at will...ugh. She was just as bad as J.J. with his stupid "Dy-no-mite!"
J.J. WAS shiftless and lazy until James got killed. Of course he would have to go to work then. There really would have been an uproar if he'd continued to a lazy kid who just painted pictures and chased after girls after the death of the family breadwinner.
|by Anonymous||reply 159||03/16/2011|
|by Anonymous||reply 160||03/16/2011|
|by Anonymous||reply 161||03/16/2011|
James Evans bulge.
|by Anonymous||reply 162||03/16/2011|
I only watched a season of this show on DVD for the first tiem about a year because all of the DL references over the years. Does James really die? He was my favorite character ... plus, no one here said he was so hot. What happened to him?
|by Anonymous||reply 163||03/17/2011|
The hotness that is James dies off screen. After that, the show sputters around for another three years.
|by Anonymous||reply 164||03/17/2011|
[quote]What happened to him?
He died in a car accident.
|by Anonymous||reply 165||03/17/2011|
It's been years since I've seen it but wasn't the funeral episode a little racist in its stereotyping? I vaguely remember that the running joke was that everyone brought a canned ham to the funeral for the family. The laughed it off as a nod to the dad who supposedly loved ham.
R67's clip made me laugh. I had forgotten how boisterous the audience was.
Don't forget Jimmy Walker's guest appearance on In Living Color.
|by Anonymous||reply 166||03/17/2011|
Good Times was on my radar for Tuesdays at 8pm until I discovered the competition: Happy Days. For a reason I still can't figure out, I fell in love with "The Fonz".
|by Anonymous||reply 167||03/17/2011|
Good Times on one of those African American channels is what I watch from 2-2:30am before going to bed. Right now, they're in that weird season after Esther Rolle quit and Willona adopts Penny.
|by Anonymous||reply 168||03/17/2011|
Were Willona's outfits ghetto fab or typical 70s fashions? I think it's the latter.
|by Anonymous||reply 169||03/17/2011|
All those ridiculous wigs push her into the "ghetto fab" category.
|by Anonymous||reply 170||03/17/2011|
Why did she spell it Bern NaDette Stanis? And Antenna showed the episode where her hubby is drinking vodka secretly in the turlet.
|by Anonymous||reply 171||03/17/2011|
did eddie murphy steel jimmie walker's career?%0D %0D I never got into watching Good Times as it went off the air before I was born. I do remember my older brother (white, rural) went through a phase where he was obsessed with it in syndication and he started imitating JJ answering the phone "Chello" a lot. It was odd.
|by Anonymous||reply 172||03/17/2011|
Stanis may have done it for numerology reasons or just to look different. Maybe it was her real name. I think she went to Juilliard.
|by Anonymous||reply 173||03/17/2011|
|by Anonymous||reply 174||03/17/2011|
Seriously R159? Thelma never worked. Was she lazy and shiftless too?
|by Anonymous||reply 175||03/17/2011|
Esther rolle's dislike of Jan'et Dubois was only temporary. Jan'et explained in an interview that Esther Rolle was told that "Good Times" was to ne her show; however, she was given no voice in the hiring of the supporting characters. Esther had someone in mind for the Wilnona role but her suggestion was ignored. Jan'et stated that she later came to understand Esther's anger.
|by Anonymous||reply 176||03/17/2011|
How come James was a fireman or police officer or some good job when Florida was Maude's houskeeper and when he had his own show his job sucked?
|by Anonymous||reply 177||03/17/2011|
R- 136, you lots of issues.
|by Anonymous||reply 178||03/17/2011|
John Amos was on The Mary Tyler Moore Show for awhile. I don't remember if it was before or after Good Times. What a change in cast mates.
|by Anonymous||reply 179||03/17/2011|
I always thougnt Winona was over-the-top in her acting. Really too giddy, I think.
|by Anonymous||reply 180||03/17/2011|
|by Anonymous||reply 181||03/17/2011|
Got Damn there's a lot of old people on DL. If you can remember the 70's you older than dirt.
|by Anonymous||reply 182||03/17/2011|
At least the old people can spell, r182.
|by Anonymous||reply 183||03/17/2011|
"I always thougnt Winona was over-the-top in her acting. Really too giddy, I think."%0D %0D Yes, she was always very "giddy", Like she was high on something. Maybe she smoked a lot of pot or maybe she'd just done a few lines of coke before she came bursting into the Evans apartment. %0D %0D And she was always tricked out in the latest ghetto chic fashions. Where did she get the money for all those clothes? I always thought she got the money from hooking. Her flashy clothes attracted a lot of attention, which is essential for hookers. %0D %0D In one episode where two girls (one of them Shirley Hemphill) try to rob Florida one of them calls Willona "Fancy Pants." Another episode is about Jame's reluctantance to return to school and get his diploma; Willona is getting on his case about it and he says why doesn't she get a diploma herself? Their exchange goes like this:%0D %0D Willona: "I already have my diploma. How do you think I got my job at the boutique?"%0D %0D James: "I thought you were just working off your clothing bill."
|by Anonymous||reply 184||03/18/2011|
"Thelma never worked. Was she lazy and shiftless too?"%0D %0D Thelma and Michael were serious,conscientious students; their intent was to go to college. J.J., on the other hand, didn't work, didn't study, acted like a buffoon, and chased after girls. But he was an "artist", and that supposedly redeemed him.%0D %0D Esther Rolle had this to say about the J.J. character:%0D %0D "He's eighteen and he doesn't work. He can't read or write. He doesn't think. The show didn't start out to be that...Little by little%E2%80%94with the help of the artist, I suppose, because they couldn't do that to me%E2%80%94they have made J.J. more stupid and enlarged the role. Negative images have been slipped in on us through the character of the oldest child."
|by Anonymous||reply 185||03/18/2011|
Remember when Fish Bone died?
|by Anonymous||reply 186||03/18/2011|
Amos quit the show because of the minstrel JJ character didn't he?
|by Anonymous||reply 187||03/18/2011|
Does anyone doubt that James was fucking Wilona on the side?
|by Anonymous||reply 188||03/18/2011|
The studio audience's reactions were pretty funny. If they were in agreement with a character you could hear them say "RAT on!" or "you go, girl!" or "tellah, Willona!" They also went "woooooooo" a lot. If there was a serious confrontation they'd go "woooooooo." If there was a kissing scene they'd go "wooooooo." There was a pimp character called "Sweet Daddy"; he'd always come in the door flanked by two goons, all three of them decked out in full Superfly drag. At the sight of big Daddy in his pimp suit and hat and big diamonds on his fingers the audience would always go "woooooooo" in admiration.
|by Anonymous||reply 189||03/18/2011|
Why dont they have studio audiences like that anymore? A lot of 70s shows has raucous studio audiences.
|by Anonymous||reply 190||03/18/2011|
I thought Amos quit the show over money and/or the increased dominance of Jimmy Walker over the show.
|by Anonymous||reply 191||03/18/2011|
Esther Rolle needed to shut up and sit her fat ass down. IT'S A SITCOM, BITCH! The JJ character is what gave the show some visibility and was a large reason the show lasted so long, and consequently made her wealthy. These actors! Just do your job, read your silly lines, and don't worry about your show's integrity as you sit back and collect a very healthy paycheck.
|by Anonymous||reply 192||03/18/2011|
Thank you for that lesson in ethics, R192.
|by Anonymous||reply 193||03/18/2011|
Amos was fired for running his mouth in Ebony. Rolle should have thanked Walker for providing much of the humor that kept that show on the air and her paychecks coming in.
|by Anonymous||reply 194||03/18/2011|
So true, r194.
|by Anonymous||reply 195||03/19/2011|
Esther Rolle was what would have been considered an accomplished actress for a black woman in the early 70's. She was a former dancer who became a Broadway actress. Rolle took her craft and the advancement of black people very seriously.
Rolle was 54 years old when Norman Lear decided to build a show around her character, Florida. I am sure she may have viewed having her own television show as a culmination of all her hard work. She probably also knew it would be her legacy. So I totally understand her pain and anger when the show became a vehicle for JJ's ministrel antics.
|by Anonymous||reply 196||03/19/2011|
Right on, r196.
|by Anonymous||reply 197||03/19/2011|
God, you can tell some of you never watched the show. Thelma DID work. She had a babysitting job. Michael also worked. He worked at Carl's shop.%0D %0D And I totally agree with Esther Rolle about the character of JJ. I can't tell you how many stupid white people I have met in my lifetime that think ALL black people lived in the ghetto and had a shiftless, jive-talking brother like JJ in their family. Some of you just can't tell the difference between real life and tv.
|by Anonymous||reply 198||03/19/2011|
Remember Esther Rolle's Psychic Hotline commercials?
|by Anonymous||reply 199||03/19/2011|
JJ was a struggling artist. That doesn't equal minstrel.
|by Anonymous||reply 200||03/19/2011|
Jimmy Walker is a Republican.
|by Anonymous||reply 201||03/19/2011|
Esther does a funny number where she dances in a revealing costume. Quite good and funny, the cast is doing a benefit musical for the public library.
|by Anonymous||reply 202||03/19/2011|
No R200 but the cooning that JJ did does.
|by Anonymous||reply 203||03/19/2011|
I'm too lazy to see if this was mentioned, but didn't J.J. work at that chicken delivery joint. Remember, once in awhile we saw him wearing that chicken head.
|by Anonymous||reply 204||03/20/2011|
I was in grade shcool when the show was on. I remember it well.
|by Anonymous||reply 205||03/20/2011|
R204, I remember the same thing. I think it was a chicken that was on top of his hat and when he moved, the chicken rocked back and forth. Great sight gag.
|by Anonymous||reply 206||03/20/2011|
Ralph Carter had a cute butt.
Now Dwayne from What's Happening?
That is an ass I'd want to bury my tongue in for days!
|by Anonymous||reply 207||03/20/2011|
I love it how they lived in this crime-filled ghetto with all these nefarious characters lurking about, yet they always left their doors unlocked. LOL For all its "grim reality," I guess when it comes down to it, it was just a sitcom, complete with wacky neighbor.
|by Anonymous||reply 208||03/20/2011|
This made me smile!
|by Anonymous||reply 209||03/20/2011|
Jimmie Walker was the only member of the original cast that did not attend Esther Rolle's funeral.
|by Anonymous||reply 210||03/20/2011|
The best audience reaction was when Penny's mom came after her with the hot frying pan.
|by Anonymous||reply 211||03/20/2011|
I like Willona's freak party. "Jaaazz"
|by Anonymous||reply 212||03/20/2011|
Ralph Carter is gay.
|by Anonymous||reply 213||03/20/2011|
|by Anonymous||reply 214||03/20/2011|
Wow, I didn't know Walker didn't go to Rolle's funeral. That's a serious diss for the African-American theatrical community. Was John Amos there?
|by Anonymous||reply 215||03/21/2011|
Off-topic, but I was surprised when Shirley Hemple and Fred Berry (Rerun)from What's Happening, died before they reached 60.%0D %0D
|by Anonymous||reply 216||03/21/2011|
"As I recall, they lived in public housing as many working people do in very large cities where rent is quite high.."
Not everyone who lived/lives in public housing is unemployed and on welfare. Perhaps these days the percentages might be higher, but years ago. I'd say a good 95% of the people in public housing were working.
In my old Queens neighborhood, in the 1960s-1970s. the local 'projects' were loaded with blue collar workers and city/state workers.
The grounds were immaculate and the tenants took pride in their apartments. You have to blame the people in charge of renting out these apartments for now loading the projects with former convicts and tons of welfare cases instead of the working poor.
An old grade school friend's parents were both school teachers, they lived in the projects until my friend was a teen!
Many people are completely clueless about public housing, some people actually work really hard to get out.
|by Anonymous||reply 217||03/21/2011|
R211, you might be thinking of the scene where Penny's mom comes after her with a hot iron. I can't help but laugh at it now because my freshman roommate used to recreate the scene with all the same campiness and earnestness. Oh, and he's a white guy.
Jump to 4:50 for the scene.
|by Anonymous||reply 218||03/21/2011|
Who sang the theme song?
|by Anonymous||reply 219||03/21/2011|
R 215, he was there - a link to a picture below:
|by Anonymous||reply 220||03/21/2011|
I was watching an episode where Michael is about to go to college and Florida is against it because he wants to move in with a female roommate, who is also white. All I could think was gurl please, Michael is gay!
|by Anonymous||reply 221||03/21/2011|
Thank you, 220!
|by Anonymous||reply 222||03/22/2011|
R220, that's not Jimmy Walker in the photo. It's the actor who played Bookman.
|by Anonymous||reply 223||03/22/2011|
r223, r220 was referring to John Amos being there.
|by Anonymous||reply 224||03/22/2011|
Michael was suspended from school today for calling George Washington a racist, and boy howdy, he came close to getting his ass tore up by James!
|by Anonymous||reply 225||03/22/2011|
[quote][bold]Michael[/bold] was suspended from school today for calling George Washington a racist, and boy howdy, he [bold]came close to getting his ass tore up by James[/bold]!
|by Anonymous||reply 226||03/22/2011|
The show died when John Amos got fired from Good Times.
|by Anonymous||reply 227||03/24/2011|
Also, it got really boring when Florida met and married Carl. She moved away after getting married, it seems, and we only saw or heard from her on occasion. I was a kid , so I'm hoping I remember it right.%0D %0D I know she wanted to leave the show, but she could've gone out with a bigger bang than that.
|by Anonymous||reply 228||03/24/2011|
[quote]Esther Rolle left the after the 1976-1977 season due to her displeasure with the what she saw as the character of J.J. being a bad role model for young blacks. She returned at the beginning of the 1978-1979 season after the producers guaranteed that they would make J.J. a more respectable character.
[quote]At the end of the 1976-1977 season, Florida was written out by having her marry the character of Carl Dixon. However, when she returned, Carl was nowhere to be seen and was never mentioned again.
|by Anonymous||reply 229||03/24/2011|
In a way, I'm glad the show ended when it did. The cast members knew it was time for it to end.
|by Anonymous||reply 230||03/24/2011|
Check out the famous John Amos bulge. As Esther Rolle would say, "Damn, damn, damn!"
|by Anonymous||reply 231||03/24/2011|
A little personal "Good Times" trivia. Janet Dubois moved here to Atlanta back in the 80's and owned a condo in my building in Midtown for several years. I used to see her occasionally and she was always in performance mode, putting on airs acting as if she was Greta Garbo deigning to speak to the little people.
She was known by the HOA as a "major whiner" and if she had nothing to complain about she'd dream something up. Her biggest complaint was that all the private garages in the parking decks had been sold out years before she moved in. She never could understand why someone wouldn't sell her their garage because, well she was a star and deserved it more!
Then suddenly she was gone. Word went out that she was having financial reversals and had to sell her unit and move to a cheaper building downtown. I think she still lives there.
|by Anonymous||reply 232||03/24/2011|
R204- Jr has worked as an usher, rib delivery guy, chicken delivery guy.
|by Anonymous||reply 233||03/24/2011|
r231: "Damn, damn, damn" is right!
|by Anonymous||reply 234||03/24/2011|
The bulges on 70's TV shows made me gay, I am convinced....
|by Anonymous||reply 235||03/24/2011|
Thanks for the info, r232.
|by Anonymous||reply 236||03/24/2011|
Another insane thing about this show was that J.J. was supposed to be a chick magnet. ALL his girlfriends were very attractive; why would they want to hook up with the scrawny, ugly, goofy J.J.? One episode had an attractive older woman who fell for him; Florida was not too happy about that! I remember J.J. and the woman in her apartment kissing; the audience dutifully went "wooooooo."
|by Anonymous||reply 237||03/25/2011|
Just lookin' out of the windoooooow....
Watchin' the asphalt grow-oh-ooh-whoah....
Mikatah deh oh doo weh ti wahh!
Good Times! Yeah-hee-yeah, Good Times!
|by Anonymous||reply 238||03/25/2011|
I liked Thelma's bf Larry.
|by Anonymous||reply 239||03/25/2011|
R238 - I think that third line is "Thinkin' 'bout all those hand-me-downs..."
|by Anonymous||reply 240||03/25/2011|
I always thought it was, "Thinkin' how it all looks hand-me-down..."
|by Anonymous||reply 241||03/25/2011|
I also felt if the show had continued on for a year or two it would have been more ridiculous. Plus, just think what the writers could have done putting the Evans family with the times of the Reagan era in the 1980's.
|by Anonymous||reply 242||03/25/2011|
R133 clearly has no idea about Black hair. I have 'nappy, nappy, who's your pappy' hair and it is neither unwashed nor matted. It is natural, unprocessed (no chemicals) Black hair. Florida wore "a natural" or what is called a low cut afro.
|by Anonymous||reply 243||03/26/2011|
I've been catching up on Good Times and Maude (which seem to practically have the same theme song) on Antenna TV lately. JJ's stupidity really is a turn off sometimes and seems to desperately try to get you to laugh. And I've had that damned theme song stuck in my head for weeks. Temporary layoffs are not good times.
|by Anonymous||reply 244||03/26/2011|
You've got to love the ending of the theme song. "Good ti-eye-eye-eye-eye yeaaahhh!"%0D Jabob Lusk could sing it on AI.
|by Anonymous||reply 245||03/26/2011|
Holy shit, the Judy Cohen story is on in LA right now! Channel 139 on Time Warner in West Hollywood.
|by Anonymous||reply 246||05/01/2011|
The best thread ever was where the Janet Jackson thread where everyone posted stuff about her onscreen life and offscreen life as if they were one and the same. Tried to find it but it didn't turn up.
|by Anonymous||reply 247||08/25/2011|
"The show died when John Amos got fired from Good Times."%0D %0D Yes, that's true. John Amos was the best actor on that show, and when he went the show kept going steadily downhill. %0D %0D I remember the final episode wrapping everything up in a nice, neat little package. Basically everybody got everything they wanted. Thelma's football player husband gets a new football contract; I guess his bad knee got miraculously healed. Thelma was pregnant. Florida was going to live with Thelma and her husband in their posh new apartment. Willona became the manager of the building and would be making a nice income doing it, which would enable her to give her adopted daughter Penny all the dancing/singing/acting lessons she wants so she can become a big star. J.J. got a well-paying job as a cartoonist. And Michael goes off to college. An incredibly lame finale.%0D %0D
|by Anonymous||reply 248||08/26/2011|
[r133] You are sadly misinformed (i.e., ignant). Unwashed and dirty hair is unwashed and dirty hair. Nappy hair is the type of hair that many Blacks have. Florida Evans wore her nappy hair in a natural (i.e., an afro). %0D %0D Lesson #2: Dredlocked hair is styled to 'lock' - it is not created by not washing or grooming the hair. %0D %0D Oprah's hairstylist or Halle's hairstylist Andre wrote a book about the four types of Black hair...Nappy was style #4, I believe
|by Anonymous||reply 249||08/26/2011|
Daddy Evans' balls were so big. That's why the poor brother couldn't walk right.
|by Anonymous||reply 250||09/06/2011|
[quote]Why were James and Florida together, he could have done better, right?
When I was kid watching this I remember mom kind of mentioning what a handsome black guy James was and why on earth did they pair him up with someone as homely as Florida? I think she also mentioned his bulge in a lowered tone.
|by Anonymous||reply 251||09/06/2011|
The happiest ending ever -
|by Anonymous||reply 252||09/06/2011|
"Willona became the manager of the building and would be making a nice income doing it, which would enable her to give her adopted daughter Penny all the dancing/singing/acting lessons she wants so she can become a big star."
Manager of the building where she and the Evans family lived?
Willona and the Evans family lived in a public housing project, so there was no way Willona could have managed the building unless she actually got a city job, then did end up managing the entire housing complex where she resided. A public housing complex AKA 'the projects', is usually more than just one building.
If she did manage the housing complex, then Willona would have moved, because people who manage housing complexes make very good money.
With apologies if Willona didn't live in the projects and was managing an apartment building she lived in, though, I always assumed Willona lived in the same building as the Evans family.
|by Anonymous||reply 253||09/06/2011|
|by Anonymous||reply 254||09/06/2011|
Winona got a promotion to head buyer at the store she worked for. She and Penny were moving to a brand new apartment complex which turned out to be the same one Thelma, her husband and Florida were moving to.
|by Anonymous||reply 255||09/06/2011|
"Winona got a promotion to head buyer at the store she worked for."%0D %0D The head buyer at "the boutique" in the ghetto? I noticed that you NEVER saw where Wilona worked. I got the feeling that there was no boutique and that she made a living hooking and dealing drugs. %0D %0D The character of Wilona was as offensive as the J.J. character, what with her fancy clothes and bawdy black sistah act. She was a stereotype, the "sassy neighbor."
|by Anonymous||reply 256||09/06/2011|
|by Anonymous||reply 257||09/06/2011|
I loved the episode where Michael joined a gang, and when they wouldn't let him out, Florida brandished a baseball bat.
|by Anonymous||reply 258||09/06/2011|
Wow, John Amos was hot then. He looked great on Men In Trees a few years back.
And that bulge is huge!
John was 20+ years younger than Esther Rolle was, and they made him look much older. Check him out on the Mary Tyler Moore Show, where he played Gordy, just a few years before.
I hate Howard Stern but agree with him - he said Amos had to be the best actor in the history of man to act like Florida got his dick hard! LOL
|by Anonymous||reply 259||09/06/2011|
How did Florida commute from Chicago to Maude's house in Westchester every day? She must have been exhausted!
|by Anonymous||reply 260||09/06/2011|
I know you guys were just kidding about a movie version, but its a go!
|by Anonymous||reply 261||03/13/2013|
I hope they have the real Thelma in it; I bet she's still hot.
|by Anonymous||reply 262||03/13/2013|
I just read all 14 pages of this thread. THIS is why I like DL.
|by Anonymous||reply 263||03/14/2013|
Me too r263. You should read the "Let's Pretend we are a Norman Lear Sitcom" thread. It's superb.
|by Anonymous||reply 264||03/14/2013|
Did you notice that Wilona, a single BW in the ghetto had no children?
|by Anonymous||reply 265||03/14/2013|
What about Esther Rolle? Married once for five years. No children.
|by Anonymous||reply 266||03/14/2013|
Whenever Michael was with a girl, it just didn't work out. There was a time when the doorbell kept ringing and Florida said JJ was kissing his girl again leaning aganst it. The opened the door and it was *surprise* Michael kissing his girl, which looked VERY forced and uncomfortable for him.
|by Anonymous||reply 267||03/14/2013|
|by Anonymous||reply 268||03/14/2013|
PLEASE post some more pics of James' bulge.
|by Anonymous||reply 269||03/20/2013|
Girl, your hair looks like it's sproutin' black spaghetti!
|by Anonymous||reply 270||03/20/2013|
I couldn't understand why Thelma was always dress so nice for them to be so poor!
|by Anonymous||reply 271||08/10/2013|
Also Esther Rolle was PISSED when they wrote James out of the show. She felt it was irresponsible of her to be the sole head of the household, as in, a bad example for black families when there were so few of them on TV in the 70s and that is why she left the show for a long stretch of time in protest (I forgot how they handled it). Considering she wasn't exactly, ya know, HOT, it was a pretty brave thing for her to do. Not many people were breaking down her door to hire her!
|by Anonymous||reply 272||08/10/2013|
My friend thought Wilona was named "Balona".
|by Anonymous||reply 273||08/10/2013|
Ms. Rolle just returned to the stage during her absence from Good Times. And she didn't ask to come back, they went to her.
|by Anonymous||reply 274||08/10/2013|
Wilona never called Michael "Grandpa", she called him "Gramps". And the person that listed the actors and actresses to play the characters is way off. At best, the should do a reunion with the living characters and go from there. Trying to replace the original characters would be a failure and a bad business decision.
|by Anonymous||reply 275||10/31/2013|
I always thought it was 'easy cradle ripoffs.'
|by Anonymous||reply 276||10/31/2013|
I love you R6.
|by Anonymous||reply 277||09/05/2014|
Did anyone realize that Lionel from the Jeffersons is the creator of the show? His name is Mike Evans hence the Evans family.
|by Anonymous||reply 278||01/10/2015|
Wasn't Florida's last name Evans when her character was on "Maude"?
|by Anonymous||reply 279||01/10/2015|
How could Florida Evans be Maude's maid in Tuckahoe, when she had a family living in Chicago? That's a long commute.
|by Anonymous||reply 280||01/10/2015|
This was a different Florida. Florida, Maude's maid and Florida Evans were two different people. They also showed Willona's Boutique in the episode where she is a dressing room watcher.
|by Anonymous||reply 281||01/10/2015|
I never understood that limp-wristed walk J.J. would do, with his arm extended to the side and hand with his long, bony fingers hanging downward limply. He did this when he was trying to look cool or like he was a big hit with the ladies, often when leaving the room or going to answer the door.I think it made him appear like a stereotypical,over the top, flamboyant gay character. Anyone KWIM and/or understand the significance?
|by Anonymous||reply 282||01/10/2015|
Just watched the 'bulge' video and good god but Jimmie Walker was built like a thermometer!
|by Anonymous||reply 283||01/10/2015|
Yes, r115,you forgot "Archie's Place." Short lived.
|by Anonymous||reply 284||01/10/2015|
Awhile back, Janet Dubois had a website that featured her artwork and touring schedule. It no longer comes up, but she has a Facebook page.
I always wondered what happened to the cast. Jimmy Walker became a preacher, IIRC. The actor who played Michael was active in community affairs, IIRC. I could find no info on the actress who played the daughter.
|by Anonymous||reply 285||01/10/2015|
I've long-wondered what became of that actress who played Penny. It's unfortunate she never became more popular.
|by Anonymous||reply 286||01/10/2015|
You really tried it r286. She went on to over a billion in movie box office hits, world tours, and is happily married to a billionaire.
|by Anonymous||reply 287||01/10/2015|
SLAP HER, WILLONA!
|by Anonymous||reply 288||01/10/2015|
[quote]I always wondered what happened to the cast. Jimmy Walker became a preacher, IIRC. The actor who played Michael was active in community affairs, IIRC. I could find no info on the actress who played the daughter.
Cast reunion (the kids only) at the 2006 BET Awards, with Miss Jackson barely acknowledging her former co-stars & looking like she'd rather be anywhere else than with these has-beens:
|by Anonymous||reply 289||01/10/2015|
R281, you don't know your Good Times history. The episode when she was a fitting room spy was when she took a job at a department store. Willona took the job at the department store because it paid more and she needed the extra money to be able to afford ice skating lessons for Penny. That was NOT the boutique that she worked in.
The boutique that she worked in can be seen on the episodes when her old boyfriend Frank comes back into town wanting to marry her. He buys the boutique so she won't have to work anymore. Willona gets pissed at Frank for doing that because she likes working and likes her job.
|by Anonymous||reply 290||01/10/2015|
Cabrini was supposed to be a ghastly place to live.
|by Anonymous||reply 291||01/10/2015|
I never bought the idea that Willona was able to afford all those fancy clothes from working at a "boutique" in a ghetto. Whoever heard of a boutique in a ghetto anyway? Who could afford to buy clothes there? I always thought she hooked on the side. She looked like a hooker; always incongruously done up in full makeup and chic ghetto sistah glad rags. She would have stood out like a beacon in that poor neighborhood, always dressed up like that.
|by Anonymous||reply 292||01/10/2015|
R288, I always thought it was "knock her down, Willona!"
|by Anonymous||reply 293||01/10/2015|
Willona got her clothes from the same store where Ann Marie from That Girl shopped. I could believe that Willona had nice clothes, but how did Ann afford all of those designer dresses?
|by Anonymous||reply 294||01/10/2015|
[quote]Yes, [R115],you forgot "Archie's Place." Short lived.
It lasted four seasons!!
|by Anonymous||reply 295||01/10/2015|
I always wanted Karen Walker to call Will "Wilona" - but she never did (that I saw), it was always Wilma. I think Wilona would have been much funnier. :-)
|by Anonymous||reply 296||01/11/2015|
Toward the end of her life, Esther Rolls played old dying negro women. In Driving Miss Daisy, she dropped all those beans on the floor when she had that heart attack. She also played an old black woman with Alzheimer's who dies outside. It had Loretta Divine in it. And those god awful psychic friends revival commercials.
|by Anonymous||reply 297||01/11/2015|
I liked it when Penny turned to JJ and said, "Give me those shoes." And then slowly advanced on him.
|by Anonymous||reply 298||01/11/2015|
I loved looking at Ernie Barnes' paintings during the titles (I always assumed they were supposed to be JJ's work). They were exciting to look at as a child.
|by Anonymous||reply 299||01/11/2015|
Remember when Penny accused Bookman of taking the excelsior and making a bed with it and sleeping on it, instead of working?
|by Anonymous||reply 300||01/11/2015|
There is more Coach, Gucci, Prada and other designer stuff in the hood, than in middle class areas. Poor folks love labels. Most of it is fake, stolen/ "boosted" or bought with drug money, but some women in the hood dress better than you and me. Poor people also love to spend income tax and college loan refunds on high end goods. Sad but true.
|by Anonymous||reply 301||01/11/2015|
[quote]I've long-wondered what became of that actress who played Penny. It's unfortunate she never became more popular.
I went on to rule dance-pop music from a female perspective for more than a decade, outshining some trick from Michigan who stole a bunch of other artists' ideas, passed them off as her own and sang about being a virgin (something she obviously wasn't).
|by Anonymous||reply 302||01/11/2015|
We all know that John Amos had a killer body and a monster ass, but Ben Powers, who played Thelma's husband Keith, had a mighty fine ass too
|by Anonymous||reply 303||01/11/2015|
I just crack up at the term lazy and shiftless. It's so fucking racist
|by Anonymous||reply 304||01/11/2015|
Regarding Esther and her dislike of the Willona character, I read that it was because they allowed a single woman who seem to be out carrying on every night to adopt a child. Now we know that Willona might've done a little hooking on the side, but her clients were old white Republicans that wanted her to dress like Aunt Jemima and shit on them.
|by Anonymous||reply 305||01/11/2015|
|by Anonymous||reply 306||01/11/2015|
There's a lot of confusion about the "Hangin' and a-jivin'" line in the theme song.
|by Anonymous||reply 307||01/11/2015|
This thread is pure gold.
|by Anonymous||reply 308||01/11/2015|
I think Esther Rolle and John Amos wanted to elevate the discussion about the plight of poor working class people in the ghetto. Unfortunately the two breakout stars were JJ and Willona and since TV is a business the stories gravitated towards them.
Rolle and Amos had a point, JJ was a buffoon. If they would have used JJ's buffoonery to teach a lesson each week, I think Esther and John wouldn't have left.
|by Anonymous||reply 309||01/11/2015|
My favorite Ep is the one where Sweet Daddy sponsors JJ because he was painting a picture of Sweet Daddy's girlfriend. Decks JJ out in pimpin' clothes, gives the Evans a Technicolor fridge. Well, JJ had to give it all back, including stripping off the outfit. The good news? They could have been Sweet Daddy's drawers!
|by Anonymous||reply 310||01/11/2015|
Whenever Sweet Daddy the pimp appeared (he would always have two expensively dressed goons who were his "bodyguards" on either side of him the studio audience would go "woooooooooo!" in awe and appreciation.
|by Anonymous||reply 311||01/11/2015|
r299, the painting is still exciting today! :)
|by Anonymous||reply 312||01/11/2015|
I did a search on the woman who played Thelma. She has been active in TV, film and is an author. She is also a graduate of The Julliard School. She has a website.
|by Anonymous||reply 313||01/11/2015|
R309, Esther Rolle and John Amos were correct. JJ was a buffoon. He didn't really act like a mature person until James died. Of course all the episodes after James died were horrible.
|by Anonymous||reply 314||01/11/2015|
[quote]I went on to rule dance-pop music from a female perspective for more than a decade, outshining some trick from Michigan who stole a bunch of other artists' ideas, passed them off as her own and sang about being a virgin (something she obviously wasn't).
OMG, I totally didn't recognize Whitney as Penny. Wow! RIP, Penny, so sorry about the whole bathtub thing.
|by Anonymous||reply 315||01/11/2015|
R299/R312. I have to disagree. That picture is the most stereotypical portrait of blacks I've seen. The only thing missing is a bucket of fried chicken.
|by Anonymous||reply 316||01/11/2015|
Dear OP, that is a super good question. Take note that you didn't choose to be gay, you were born that way. In the same way, Wilona didn't choose to move to the ghetto, she was probably born there and that was her home. Being a smart and practical woman, Wilona was living within her means and although she had a decent job, it wasn't enough to afford high rent somewhere else. And most important to know OP is that just because someone lives in a ghetto, or just because someone is gay, or just because someone cannot enjoy the privileges that many others get to enjoy, it doesn't mean that life isn't full of love and that there isn't a quality of life...life full of Good Times.
|by Anonymous||reply 317||01/11/2015|
What happened to Florida's second husband? He got written out of the show, but I forget how they got rid of him. I think he died if he did, nobody much cared, including Florida.
I hated how they ended this series, with happy endings all the way around. It was such a cop-out. It would have been a lot more meaningful if the Evans family and company had still been scratchin' and sur-vivin'.
|by Anonymous||reply 318||01/11/2015|
Esther Williams said: "Look at JJ he is a grown man but he doesn't work. It teaches the black community you can get by, by hanging on the street corners and making up catchphrases."
Of course Williams was wrong, hense Rap Music, which is simply talking to a repetitive drum beat.
Also note back in their day, the ghetto was not something to be glorified, it was something to be gotten out of. Now blacks love it.
While the Evan's clan was not ashamed of their plight, they knew it was nothing to be proud of and it had to be corrected.
Now the black community thanks to the likes of Obama blame everyone else for their problems and the liberal whites back them up.
It's never a black person's fault. It's always slavery. Even the blacks who sold other blacks into slavery bear no responsibility according to the revisionist history the white liberal agenda has forced upon the world.
|by Anonymous||reply 319||01/11/2015|
I loved when Esther Williams filmed those great underwater sequences in the Cabrini Green swimming pool!
|by Anonymous||reply 320||01/11/2015|
[quote]OMG, I totally didn't recognize Whitney as Penny. Wow! RIP, Penny, so sorry about the whole bathtub thing.
You see my signature, slut.
|by Anonymous||reply 321||01/11/2015|
This is ine of te funniest threads. And John Amos had an amazing package.
|by Anonymous||reply 322||01/11/2015|
R318, simply never mentioned him again.
Esther Rolle had left the show, therefore her character married Carl and moved to Arizona since he was sick. TPTB wanted her back and one of her conditions to return, was to alleviate the Carl and Flo relationship/marriage. Esther Rolle never liked that plot line since she didn't feel that Flo would have remarried or gotten into a relationship so soon after James' death. Also, Carl was an atheist and no way in hell would her character have had a relationship with an atheist.
|by Anonymous||reply 323||01/11/2015|
|by Anonymous||reply 324||01/11/2015|
The show got really awful after John Amos left. He was one of the best things about that show: a strong, hard-working, African-American man who was always there for his family. He was a great role model. And adding the character of Penny was pretty dopey. Here's this abused child (who looks amazingly plump and healthy) who gets dropped into Willona's lap; and of course Willona, who had previously never expressed any desire for parenthood, wants to adopt the demanding Penny. It was another example of the show jumping ths shark, along with TWO marriages: Florida's and Thelma's.
|by Anonymous||reply 325||01/12/2015|
The much adored DL favorite Good Times episodes, the ones about Penny and her abusive aunt, are on Antenna TV right now.
|by Anonymous||reply 326||01/19/2015|
It was Penny and her abusive MOTHER.
|by Anonymous||reply 327||01/19/2015|
Ahh, yes. I've never seen it before, and when I posted that, Penny had said she lived with her aunt.
|by Anonymous||reply 328||01/19/2015|
Penny deserved it. And worse.
|by Anonymous||reply 329||01/19/2015|
[quote] I loved when Esther Williams filmed those great underwater sequences in the Cabrini Green swimming pool!
R320, I cant stop laughing.
|by Anonymous||reply 330||01/20/2015|
[quote]And John Amos had an amazing package.
And Ralph Carter had an amazing ass.
|by Anonymous||reply 331||01/20/2015|
[quote]And Ralph Carter had an amazing ass.
And Jimmie Walker had...
|by Anonymous||reply 332||01/20/2015|