People were upset by The Patriot Act and how intrusive the government was becoming. Now Uncle Sam is feeling your groin at the airport claiming it's necessary to protect the security of the country. When will it end?
A Few Years Ago
|by Anonymous||reply 84||01/29/2013|
Just in time for Thanksgiving, National Opt Out Day is Wednesday, November 24.
|by Anonymous||reply 1||11/15/2010|
I hate the scanner but really have little issue with some TSA guy feeling me up.
|by Anonymous||reply 2||11/15/2010|
|by Anonymous||reply 3||11/15/2010|
Backlast over scanners...
|by Anonymous||reply 4||11/15/2010|
When the muslins stop atacking our freedums!
|by Anonymous||reply 6||11/15/2010|
Go fuck yourself,r5
|by Anonymous||reply 7||11/15/2010|
I like this guy:
|by Anonymous||reply 8||11/15/2010|
[R5] for someone pointing the finger, you read like a disgusting vile sack of shit.
|by Anonymous||reply 9||11/15/2010|
"People were upset by The Patriot Act and how intrusive the government was becoming."
Very few as I remember it. And you "loved terrorists" if you didn't like the Patriot Act.
|by Anonymous||reply 10||11/15/2010|
What are you guys talking about? Passengers got groped all the time in Europe for years.
As a matter of fact, I have my favorite German TSA equivalents touching me all the time going through Frankfurt Airport. Never failed to give me a hard-on.
Oh, those bearish guys at Amsterdam Airport. Oh.. la..la..
Stop complaining. You will like it. Trust me.
|by Anonymous||reply 11||11/15/2010|
I got felt up by a hunky German officer in Frankfurt this August. After that, he complimented my watch. I can totally get behind such intrusions of my privacy.
|by Anonymous||reply 12||11/15/2010|
Germans are protesting their own security procedures by showing up for flights wearing nothing but underwear or bathing suits.
|by Anonymous||reply 13||11/15/2010|
Love it, R8. Thanks for the link.
|by Anonymous||reply 14||11/15/2010|
I foresee Bergen-Bilsen (sp?) Auschwitz etc in our future. Remember THX whatever the numbers were? Who knew George Lucas was a prophet.
|by Anonymous||reply 15||11/15/2010|
If we are to be felt up, can we at least demand that the screeners be hunky?
|by Anonymous||reply 16||11/15/2010|
r16 close your eyes and pretend you are cottaging.
|by Anonymous||reply 17||11/15/2010|
Thank you R5, for yet again reminding us that Libertarians are fundamentally brain-damaged.
|by Anonymous||reply 19||11/15/2010|
[quote]Now Uncle Sam is feeling your groin at the airport claiming it's necessary to protect the security of the country. When will it end?
much ado about nothing, mary. He's never groped me and probably never will.
|by Anonymous||reply 20||11/15/2010|
[quote]Backlast over scanners...
oh, dear. . . .
|by Anonymous||reply 21||11/15/2010|
Honestly, the way they talk about how they "found" Ron Paul, as if they found Jesus, is just creepy.
|by Anonymous||reply 22||11/15/2010|
R5 is a certifiable loony! Let's Poke Fun at her!
|by Anonymous||reply 23||11/15/2010|
If I was a TSA agent viewing the body scan images and saw a guy with a big dick, I would come out from my little room and check the guy out. If I liked what I saw, I would fail the scan and say he had to be patted down BY ME. It would be the longest pat-down ever and involve going underneath the boxers. Mmmm.
|by Anonymous||reply 24||11/15/2010|
"If you touch my junk I'll have you arrested."%0D
|by Anonymous||reply 25||11/15/2010|
I love a good pat down.
|by Anonymous||reply 26||11/15/2010|
Will we be required to present our holes?
|by Anonymous||reply 27||11/15/2010|
"If you touch my junk I'll have you arrested."
guys like this need to be force-raped and dumped on the side of a road.
|by Anonymous||reply 28||11/15/2010|
Michael Chertoff's financial interest in these over-funded but under-tested underwear-stripping machines is his reward for having written the Patriot Act and serving as Director of Fatherland Security.%0D %0D
|by Anonymous||reply 29||11/15/2010|
go wear your tinhat somewhere else, Loonie.
|by Anonymous||reply 31||11/15/2010|
Eventually you'll be able to spot airline pilots and flight attendants from a distance by their glowing skin.
|by Anonymous||reply 32||11/16/2010|
Any pat-down will last 3 minutes or less. Why is this so hard? You can do anything for 3 minutes.
The government, whether led by Obama or Bush, will be blamed if anything goes wrong. They need to deal with the situation.
Tonight I saw an MSNBC show that pitted a security official against a woman from an organization called flyersrights.com. This woman had done a lot of googling but was not a security professional. She suggested measures for airport security that sounded like they would cost a fortune and take forever -- having dogs sniff people (which to me sounds grosser than a patdown and how are you going to have hundreds of dogs at the airport? plus Muslims think dogs are unclean so count them out.) The transportation official sounded more rooted in the day-to-day reality.
Airport security is dumb, it doesn't make sense, but it's like family. Annoying but nobody dies.
Hate to send myself flowers, but don't I seem easygoing compared to the would-be Patrick Henry/Charles Bukowski on this thread?
|by Anonymous||reply 33||11/16/2010|
and their pointy ears
|by Anonymous||reply 34||11/16/2010|
How long before Brad Pitt's and Angelina Jolie's body scans start showing up in Us Weekly?
|by Anonymous||reply 35||11/16/2010|
All of you anti-scanner people are such babies. You buy a plane ticket, you agree to the rules. You don't like it, don't fuckin' fly.
|by Anonymous||reply 37||11/16/2010|
We will all dress like Dieter from Sprockets and we will enjoy it.
|by Anonymous||reply 38||11/16/2010|
We average folk probably don't have much to worry about. It's the exceptionally well-hung dudes and famous people who will have their scans posted on the TSA bulletin boards. What's the harm in that?
|by Anonymous||reply 39||11/16/2010|
How will they pat down women in tight skirts?
|by Anonymous||reply 40||11/16/2010|
[quote]All of you anti-scanner people are such babies.%0D %0D Tell that to the frequent fliers who get cancer from radiation poison ten years down the road.
|by Anonymous||reply 41||11/16/2010|
The guy who didn't want "his junk" touched said in his blog that all post 9/11 attempts to blow up planes have been foiled by passengers, not TSA.
I remember the Shoe Bomber and the Underware bomber. Were there more?
|by Anonymous||reply 42||11/16/2010|
Wouldn't they have to be able to store pictures to use as evidence in case someone does have a bomb on them?
|by Anonymous||reply 43||11/16/2010|
|by Anonymous||reply 44||11/16/2010|
Here's a great story-
"The Transportation Security Administration concedes that a 4-year-old boy heading to Walt Disney World for a birthday celebration should not have been forced to remove his leg braces during an airport-security screening in Philadelphia, a Philly columnist writes.
"The Philadelphia Inquirer's Daniel Rubin writes that the incident occurred last March when Ryan Thomas was flying to Orlando with his parents, Bob and Leona, but that the TSA apologized last week only after the columnist got wind of it."
So no apology would have ever been offered if the media hadn't picked up the 18 month old story of a DISABLED 4 YEAR OLD being forced to struggle through the hoops of security theater. No wonder the TSA is having PR troubles!
|by Anonymous||reply 45||11/16/2010|
I find it interesting that most of the people I've heard complaining about the body pat downs are men.
|by Anonymous||reply 46||11/16/2010|
Totally agree, R37. It's not a right to fly. Drive if you're that outraged. %0D %0D I'd get felt-up 1,000 times and wait in long lines if it prevents another 3,000 people from dying.
|by Anonymous||reply 47||11/16/2010|
Who Do We Really Need to Fear, "Them" or Us? TSA and America's Zero Risk Culture
By RICHARD FORNO
The lede on the DRUDGEREPORT most of Monday showed a Catholic nun being patted down at an airport security checkpoint, with the caption starkly declaring that "THE TERRORISTS HAVE WON."
Ten years after 9/11, Americans who fly are facing a Faustian choice between subjecting themselves to a virtual (and potentially medically damaging) strip search conducted in questionable machines run by federal employees or a psychologically damaging pat-down of their bodies. Osama bin Ladin must be giggling himself silly this week.
But what should we expect in a society that requires adults to wear bicycle helmets while pedaling in the park, provides disclaimers of liability on TV advertisements, or prints warnings on fast-food coffee cups? The name of the game is zero risk. Not risk mitigation, or accepting responsibility for one's actions, but risk aversion. It's a failure to acknowledge that we can't protect against everything bad that can happen to us, so we must protect against everything we think might -- might -- be harmful at some point.
It's living in fear.
TSA has established itself as the lead federal agency charged with perpetuating this risk-averse culture at airports around the country. The proof is evident over the past ten years: Because of the Shoebomber, we have to remove our shoes. Thanks to the Christmas Crotchbomber, we are subjected to invasive scanning or government-mandated molestation. Because there's a potential for explosives in liquid or gel form, we've got the "Three Ounces in A Baggie" rule. Wearing a sweater or bulky fleece hoodie? Take it off (along with your shoes and belt) so it can be examined. Or frisking Granny, or asking toddlers to drink from their Sippy-cups to make sure it's really Mommy's milk inside. And let's not forget the thankfully defunct prohibitions on knitting needles, insulin syringes, matches, lighters, or standing during the last 30 minutes of flights to Washington, DC.
All in the name of protecting the homeland.
Given this latest round of homeland hysteria, I must ask again -- what happens after the next 'new' attempt to smuggle something onto a plane? Actually, we know the answer: another item will go on the Prohibited Items List and additional screenings of passengers will be conducted, followed by more patronising security-speak from our Department of Homeland Insecurity asking law abiding folks to give up more of their privacy and personal "space" in the interest of Homeland (er, "State") Security. Big Brother, meet Big Sister. With all her homeland security lobbyists along for the ride.
Where does it end?
Due to this nationalised risk aversion and a docile public, we're now living in a country that subordinates law abiding travelers to quasi-law-enforcement employees of a government agency empowered to make up the rules as it goes along and arrest/fine those who question, challenge, or refuse to comply with their demands while impeding their travel within this great country. What does all of this do to our nation? Our way of life? Our way of thinking as citizens?
|by Anonymous||reply 48||11/16/2010|
Perhaps this is intentional, and we're being conditioned to accept the actions of TSA and embrace a zero-risk mentality on our society. What else can explain the statement made earlier today by TSA Director John Pistole that citizens who protest what they see as government transgressions into their privacy are being "irresponsible"? Calling us irresponsible when protesting this latest round of TSA actions is no different than our being labelled unpatriotic when protesting or questioning some of the provisions in the controversial USA PATRIOT Act. Same stuff, different Administration.
The American public needs to recognise the nature of the terror threat and accept a certain level of risk in their lives and travels instead of kowtowing to every reactive security 'enhancement' proclaimed by TSA as necessary to protect the country. In terms of airport security, we are the laughing stock of the industrialised world, and an embarrassment to knowledgeable security professionals.
The tragedy of 9/11 wasn't the attacks of that day, but what has happened to America in the years since.
Which begs the question: who should we be afraid of, really -- "them" or "us?"
|by Anonymous||reply 49||11/16/2010|
Great post, R48/49
Here's a story from today of people who had TSA agents STICK THEIR HANDS DOWN THEIR PANTS! Apparently that's the "new" protocol for pants they deem too loose or baggy.
The idiots trying to defend this need to be ridiculed. I'm so glad I started to see through this bullshit post 9/11 and finally realized the libertarians were right- the government IS the enemy!!!
|by Anonymous||reply 50||11/16/2010|
[quote]I'd get felt-up 1,000 times and wait in long lines if it prevents another 3,000 people from dying.%0D %0D It won't because 9/11 was an inside job. %0D %0D The next time the Pentagon/CIA/Mossad needs thousands more Americans to die to forward their plans of Middle Eastern conquest thousands more Americans WILL die regardless of these phony preventative security procedures. %0D %0D Here is a good close-up video of that allegedly "mighty inferno" that brought WTC 7 down on itself just like a controlled demolition.
|by Anonymous||reply 51||11/16/2010|
To have your government touch your junk or to have your enemy blow your junk into pieces.
Why is this such a hard choice for some people?
|by Anonymous||reply 52||11/16/2010|
Who fucking cares, quit complaining. I'd rather have it and feel safer that no one on the plane brought anything to cause it to fall 30,000 feet out of the sky causing my death.
|by Anonymous||reply 53||11/16/2010|
|by Anonymous||reply 54||11/20/2010|
A few nights ago, there was an Israeli security expert on TV who was quite frustrated with the TSA. After the Shoe Bomber, in the US we have to take off our shoes, but he said the way they handle it in his country is their security talks to passengers three times before they board -- at the curb when they greet them, at the check in counter, and at the gate.
Someone like The Shoe Bomber would have been flagged because he had a British passport that had been issued in Belgium, he bought a one way ticket to Florida with cash, and he had no luggage.
Also, the security people in Israel are highly educated and trained -- they usually know more than two languages and have six months in the classroom before they are tested and allowed on the line. After that, they undergo random tests and if they let through any counter-band, they are fired on the spot. If they are not as thorough as their training requires, they are sent back to school for another six months.
I guess if you are flagged, you go through The Super Interrogation and hardcore frisking, and I have read if they take you into the back room, the first thing they do is offer you a glass of water in order to get your fingerprints. I guess everyone knows this because one problem with this method is while it protects pilots and babies from getting frisked, it is often cited as being used for political ends.
Nonetheless, with constitutional safeguards in place, their methods would go far in improving our system.
|by Anonymous||reply 55||11/20/2010|
If Israel doesn't use scanners and/or mandatory frisks you know they are bs. This is security theater meant to desensitize the public to government harassment while enriching the coffers of Chertoff.
|by Anonymous||reply 56||11/20/2010|
It will never end. Indeed, it will continue to get worse and worse for the simple reason that the majority of americans are too stupid, drugged, or just plain brain-dead to want to do what is necessary to stop it.
|by Anonymous||reply 57||11/20/2010|
Yes, a patdown at the airport is just one step from round-ups on trains headed to for the camps. I totally get it. The dots almost connect themselves.%0D %0D Meanwhile, our government continues illegal detention practices, wire-tapping and surveillance of citizens, secret trials, two wars and a myriad of other freedom-quenching activities. Nary a peep. %0D %0D And, guess what? That's how fascism really takes place - paranoia about the trivial, ignorance about what really matters.
|by Anonymous||reply 58||11/20/2010|
What r5 said.
|by Anonymous||reply 59||11/20/2010|
they will tell them to spread their cootchies.
|by Anonymous||reply 60||11/20/2010|
Think about it, a lesbian is in charge of security, so it's free feels for everybody.
|by Anonymous||reply 61||11/20/2010|
God. If guys would just board the planes in Speedos, and women on wore bikini bottoms and pasties, we could end this all tomorrow.
|by Anonymous||reply 62||11/20/2010|
It is amazing to me how many of you are ignorant sheeple. This is theatre designed to destroy our sensitivity, not security.
|by Anonymous||reply 63||11/20/2010|
I know plenty of people who find the TSA menacing or irritating. I say: touch me all you want. Anything to keep that damn plane in the air. I'm not looking critically at the methods I'm afraid.
I do not care about the full body scanner. I have to lift my hands above my head.. who cares I've already got my shoes and belt off. I doubt they get too much detail (or stimulation) off the images.
A lot of people hate the TSA, yes?
|by Anonymous||reply 65||09/26/2012|
R65 you are very good right thinking citizen who has no resistance...very good.
|by Anonymous||reply 67||12/13/2012|
Nonsense, R37. If there was any benefit to increased security from these patdowns, I'd be fine with them. But there has been no benefit shown.
I'll put my cards on the table. I have no problem with profiling. And the first time a blond-blue eyed Scandinavian type tries to light his/her underwear, shoes or any other thing on fire or detonate any bomb on his/her person, you can add this group to the profile list at US airports. Despite the tinhats, we have the identity of the terrorists and they were all the same ethnicity. Even during the worst IRA conflicts in the UK, we never had the Irish trying to blow up planes here. Let's do the things that will really increase security and stop playing games.
|by Anonymous||reply 68||12/13/2012|
[quote]Now Uncle Sam is feeling your groin at the airport claiming it's necessary to protect the security of the country.
PLEASE, tell me where this is happening! I have experienced this in YEARS! I NEED it now!
|by Anonymous||reply 70||12/14/2012|
[quote]I know plenty of people who find the TSA menacing or irritating
they always seem sleepy and doltish to me, I can't imagine what your friends are experiencing.
|by Anonymous||reply 71||12/14/2012|
Sheeple...it is important to read R69.
|by Anonymous||reply 72||12/14/2012|
The TSA is a joke. They simply collect toiletries from people. In September, a TSA worker said she had to take my toothpaste because it was over the size limit. I asked her why on the way out it wasn't taken. She seemed embarrassed and she should have been. She told me she wished the different airports were consistent. I then loudly drew everyone's attention to the fact that she was taking my toothpaste and told everyone to rest assured that we were all safer because of it. The people in line started laughing and clapping at what I said. Everyone has disdain for this unnecessary part of travel. This nonsense really does need to end.
|by Anonymous||reply 74||12/14/2012|
As long as the TSA agent is wearing gloves I can't be sued for giving them my "rash."
|by Anonymous||reply 76||12/14/2012|
R75, your post makes no sense in relation to mine. I sure don't feel safer with a bunch of half-wits collecting toiletries.
And the government is out for the big banks and big corps--no shit. Anyone who doesn't see that is a moron. But again, it doesn't have anything to do with my post.
|by Anonymous||reply 77||12/14/2012|
LOL.... Can't you just see this idiot trying those tactics? Too bad that such things only exist in his fevered imagination.
|by Anonymous||reply 79||12/16/2012|
[quote]Troll at [R79] God, you are a vile, hateful creature. Fat, I'm guessing. Ugly, I'm sure.
ROFL.... I'm not the one who feverishly imagines all of these silly "resistance" tactics that nobody really cares about and that would make you look really, really stupid if you actually had the nerve to carry them out which, of course, you don't.
[quote]God, you really do love to suck government dick?
Nope, but I sure do like laughing at your silly fantasies. Keep 'em coming!
|by Anonymous||reply 81||12/20/2012|
ROFL.... Dear heart, the last time we had this discussion, you posted a link which you claimed supported all of this "hypocrisy" you've been railing again. The trouble is that your link showed that liberals were, in fact, protesting! You've been asked repeated to find any liberal who's guilty of such hypocrisy. To date, you have failed.
The hypocrisy, like the rest of your bullshit, exists solely in your fevered imagination. I'd suggest that you stop posting while drunk, as you just make yourself look like a fool and piss off the webmaster with your spamming.
|by Anonymous||reply 84||01/29/2013|