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Who was it produced for? I'm referring to pornography dating back to, I'm guessing, the late 1800s, early 1900s. I can't imagine the average person being able to afford such a luxury. Were these only enjoyed by the rich? And just who were these people that posed in various sexual acts? Were they poor? Are there any web sites out there featuring the history behind such material from the late 19th century, early 20th pornography? Thanks.

by Anonymousreply 5312/23/2010

It's fiction, but Sarah Waters' book 'Fingersmith' might interest you. At the back she lists of the main pornographic texts / studies from the period.

by Anonymousreply 111/10/2010

I'm fascinated by that, too.

by Anonymousreply 211/10/2010

I have been doing a lot of research on prostitution at the turn of the century in Colorado for this project I am working on. The topic itself is absolutely fascinating. But it has left me wondering if there were male prostitutes that serviced a certain clientele in the way the women did. How open or discreet would it have been?

by Anonymousreply 411/10/2010

The French were primarily responsible for much of what exists in turn of the century pornographic motion pictures. They would play in the parlors of the bordellos. %0D %0D American stag films were shot domestically and shown at gentleman's clubs.

by Anonymousreply 511/10/2010

Why the assumption that porn photos were luxuriously unaffordable at the turn of the 20th century? Photography was common enough back then.

I have photos of family members that go back to the 1860s. No nudes, though, thank heaven, considering their severe visages and lumpy bodies.

by Anonymousreply 811/10/2010

Most of the material was banned. Places would be shut down if they found any material of the sort in the vicinity. To be able to get your hands on it, at least in the 19th century, you had to have some pretty serious connections.

by Anonymousreply 1011/11/2010

R10, Big Brother was a toddler, and had a lot to learn in the 19th Century.

by Anonymousreply 1111/11/2010

mmm

by Anonymousreply 1211/11/2010

Wow, the cocks of centuries ago look just like the cocks of today. Nothing has changed.

by Anonymousreply 1311/11/2010

You need to be more specific OP: photographs, literature (like Teleny), or art?

The most fabulous things are the bespoke artistic books done by the French, but as they're horribly expensive there's not many images of them online. If you have $225,000 there's a collection of drawings in a sensational gilded carved box that's on the market, originally comissioned by Roger Peyrefitte in the 50s. It's the Ark Of The Covenant of gay porn.

The link naturally is not work safe.

by Anonymousreply 1411/11/2010

Of course it is difficult to generalize (for example I am sure that you are referring to porn in the western European world and not everywhere in the world.) For the most part porn was expensive, because pornographers could command high prices. Porn, but particularly Gay porn, was extremely dangerous to own. It would be on the par with owning child pornography today. Of course the very rich could get away with it...and just about anything else. But, the average person had to settle for "naughty" postcards, etc, that just skirted the line between socially acceptable and porn. Outright porn was definitely a sellers market. And then there was the possibility that the seller would blackmail you. There is a reason that so many Gay men had to settle for copies of The David and ceramic figurines of sailors. In both the US and England, anything more could get you arrested without question.

by Anonymousreply 1611/11/2010

Re the socks - I assumed it was because wherever they were shooting had a dirty floor? Or maybe it was the convention of the time, to keep one's socks on?

by Anonymousreply 1811/11/2010

R4, male prostitution at the turn of the century did exist. The Cleveland Street scandal is an example

by Anonymousreply 2011/11/2010

R4, there is an excellent book that includes the Gay bars and prostitutes in NYC at the turn of the century. I cannot remember the name of it. It may be a general history of Gay NYC, but it has a lot of info on the Bowery Bars, etc. The author did a great deal of research in the police records and the police museum. (Which, by the way owns a great deal of vintage porn. when the Museum of Sex opened in NYC, their first exhibit seemed to have been pulled almost entirely from the police museum's holdings.)

by Anonymousreply 2111/11/2010

The first place I'd look is the Museum of Sex.

by Anonymousreply 2211/11/2010

R20, I should have specified in the American West.

by Anonymousreply 2311/11/2010

[quote]No, it was because you could not be completely naked. As long as you had your socks on, you were not completely naked. %0D %0D What ARE you talking about? If making, selling and/or owning porn was illegal, how did wearing socks magically make it okay? It was illegal whether you had on socks or not. That is the most illogical thing I've read on DL in a long time, R19.

by Anonymousreply 2411/11/2010

r12, what site is that?

by Anonymousreply 2511/11/2010

The photographs of Sicilian boys done by the fake German baron Von Gloedon had a huge market in the 1890s. He quite literally put the town of Taomina on the map because of the gay tourist trade he generated. You can find any number of his photos online. A major gallery near me recently had an exhibition of them. A few are outstanding for their time: most are just grubby (as in: the boys look like they need a bath) 2nd and 3rd rate wank poses for German industrialists and the military high command.

by Anonymousreply 2611/11/2010

"The Alienist," while fiction, is a thoroughly researched book about 1890s New York, and is centered around the life of boy-prostitutes and all-male brothels. Caleb Carr's book.

by Anonymousreply 2711/12/2010

I love vintage porn from the early 20th century. AEBN has some, both str8 and gay.

by Anonymousreply 2811/12/2010

Look for books on censorship to find information on vintage porn. I discovered that many serious books go into a clinical look at what was produced and why, then provide pictures. Hot, hot pictures.

Early porn films were made for the stag party market, mainly. Upper middle class businessmen would have bachelor parties, stag parties, wild nights after business trips, etc. There are a few old movies who reference these films, most notably the now-lost "Convention City" from 1933, where the script seems to indicate that the idea of a porno film was almost old fashioned.

by Anonymousreply 2911/12/2010

R17, that's vintage. It's part of an obviously vintage set (most photos are part of a set of several taken with the same models in different poses). I used to collect pics scanned and posted on a binaries group on Usenet, and I recognize that as one of the pics posted.

Nowadays, I couldn't tell you where to get the free stuff anymore. It's been pay-only access on all the old vintage porn sites for a decade or more.

by Anonymousreply 3011/12/2010

R21, do you mean George Chauncey's "Gay New York"? That is indeed an excellent book.

by Anonymousreply 3111/12/2010

In last Sunday's "Boardwalk Empire," some of the guys were watching vintage (c. 1920) pron (straight).

by Anonymousreply 3211/12/2010

Sometimes what you don't see can be almost as...

by Anonymousreply 3311/13/2010

I'm reading that Gay New York book. very interesting!

Anyone know where I can see photos of turn-of-century gay men. Not porn, just pictures of what were known as "fairies" at the time?

by Anonymousreply 3411/15/2010

great pics!

by Anonymousreply 3511/15/2010

[quote]Porn was often entertainment of the motion picture elite. Many, many Hollywood stars collected and stashed the material.

Where does the alleged Joan Crawford porno fit into that?

by Anonymousreply 3611/15/2010

I have a fascinating book of vintage porn that I got in the clearance section at Strand Books in NYC. I think it's published by Taschen, but I'm not positive. All our books are packed in boxes because we are putting in new bookshelves, but if I can dig it up I'll post the name for anyone who might want to track down a copy. Most of the pictures are very early 20th century.

I have no idea if R19 is correct or not, but the book does mention that the subjects' clothes/accessories helped determine when the pictures were taken.

by Anonymousreply 3711/15/2010

Armed Forces

by Anonymousreply 3811/15/2010

r4, if you don't think male prostitution existed, watch "Wilde."

by Anonymousreply 3911/15/2010

There have ALWAYS been male prostitutes. Someone actually has a hard time believing that?

by Anonymousreply 4011/16/2010

Boardwalk Empire had a scene in which a porn film from 1920 was shown. It showed naughty nuns getting it from behind. :-)

by Anonymousreply 4111/16/2010

R24, there is a huge difference between the 1930s+ and the 1890s. You are try to use the same measure for two very different periods.

by Anonymousreply 4211/16/2010

R37, is the name of the book "Forbidden Erotica"? If so, I have that too - it was published by Taschen and is a fascinating collection of photos from the 1870s to the early 1960s.

by Anonymousreply 4311/16/2010

Yes, R43! That's it! I found an Amazon listing.

by Anonymousreply 4411/16/2010

r42 is right... it was until the 1930s that strict rules against pornography was enforced

by Anonymousreply 4511/16/2010

Check out "Gay Art: A Historic Collection," by Felix Lance Falkon.

by Anonymousreply 4611/16/2010

[quote]Wow, the cocks of centuries ago look just like the cocks of today. Nothing has changed.

I know this shouldn't surprise us, but I am fascinated by the fact that the human body hasn't changed. I think it's interesting that Thomas Jefferson had pubes and got boners...

by Anonymousreply 4711/27/2010

The photo R38 posted looks very Tom of Finlandish.

by Anonymousreply 4811/27/2010

I love the old stuff, from the very first until about 1980 something.

As soon as video came into the mix the quality went WAY downhill. The 70's made great porn.

by Anonymousreply 4911/27/2010

R48, that is an early Colt Studios photo shoot.

by Anonymousreply 5011/27/2010

Groovy site:

by Anonymousreply 5112/23/2010

More vintage...

by Anonymousreply 5212/23/2010

Here ya go OP

by Anonymousreply 5312/23/2010
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