I tried a search and couldn't find the threads on this to add it to them, but for the ongoing discussion of what are the most important global cities in the world on Datalounge, I found this information on wikipedia. In the ranking of what are called Alpha ++ cities, the top category, there are only two worldwide: New York and London. In the next category, Alpha + category, there are eight worldwide: Hong Kong, Paris, Singapore, Tokyo, Sydney, Milan, Shanghai, Beijing And in the next category, the plain old Alpha category, there are nine: Madrid, Moscow, Seoul, Toronto, Brussels, Buenos Aires, Mumbai, Kuala Lumpur, Chicago Finbally, in the next category down, Alpha minus, we find Los Angeles, along with: Warsaw, S%C3%A3o Paulo, Z%C3%BCrich, Amsterdam, Mexico City, Jakarta, Dublin, Bangkok, Taipei, Istanbul, Rome, Lisbon, Frankfurt am Main, Stockholm, Prague, Vienna, Budapest, Athens, Caracas, Auckland, Santiago The criteria are listed at the link.
The most important cities in the world
|by Anonymous||reply 79||11/11/2013|
Interesting that Chicago should be in the third tier, and Los Angeles in the fourth.
|by Anonymous||reply 1||10/14/2010|
I'm also surprised that Milan is Alpha plus and not just Alpha.
|by Anonymous||reply 2||10/14/2010|
I don't see Vancouver, WA on the list.
|by Anonymous||reply 3||10/14/2010|
r1, I was going to post the same thing -- I would have flipped them (not due to personal preference, but to global influence...in fact, I'd probably move Los Angeles to the second tier with Tokyo and the rest). L.A. is definitely more influential than Toronto, for better or for worse.
Odd that Berlin isn't on the list.
|by Anonymous||reply 4||10/14/2010|
Strange that there are only 3 American cities on that entire list. And only 5 in North America. Contrast that to 19 European cities and 11 Asian cities. Plus 4 cities in South America and 2 in Australia (continent of Australia). Also find it bizarre that Los Angeles and Dublin would be in the same category. In fact, how did Dublin even rank? And as r4 said, how did Berlin not make the list?
|by Anonymous||reply 5||10/14/2010|
These are supposedly the most important cities in terms of the world financial system, not in terms of quality of life or anything like that. Frankfurt, which gets an Alpha, is Germany's finance centre and also the home of the European Central Bank. As such it should certainly be ahead of Madrid, Moscow, Toronto and even Brussels (Alpha cities), on that list and not in the same group as Warsaw.
|by Anonymous||reply 6||10/15/2010|
You conveniently left out the "Global Cities" list, OP.
|by Anonymous||reply 7||10/15/2010|
Yeah, the methodology of this list is off. I live in LA. I HATE LA. But LA is an Alpha + or Alpha city. Easily. It just is. That said, can I please, please move back to NYC?
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|by Anonymous||reply 9||10/15/2010|
%0D Los Angeles is of no global significance apart from the film industry, and that is reflected in the rating it got. Chicago is far more significant as a commercial centre and transport hub.%0D %0D The fact that the US only has 3 cities on the A list is a reflection of New York's dominance - it has swallowed up the competition. Similarly with London. The UK's next most important cities - Edinburgh, Manchester and Birmingham - are Gamma minus; in with Porto, Riga and Port Louis (wherever that is).
|by Anonymous||reply 10||10/15/2010|
Omg....LOL%0D %0D You Americans are so egocentric.%0D %0D L.A. the shithole of the world not being ranked highly enough....please.%0D %0D
|by Anonymous||reply 11||10/15/2010|
London is so boring, I wouldn't but it on the same list as the top US cities or even Paris.
The only people that go to London are actors who can't find work in the US, so the end up on the London stage.
|by Anonymous||reply 12||10/15/2010|
suck it Alpha MINUS LA!
|by Anonymous||reply 13||10/15/2010|
London boring? Are you insane. Its the New York of Europe only more beautiful and with an incredible history added to the mix.
|by Anonymous||reply 14||10/15/2010|
Interesting that Sydney ranked so high, on par with Paris and Tokyo (which I though would be up there with New York).
|by Anonymous||reply 15||10/15/2010|
"London is so boring, I wouldn't but it on the same list as the top US cities or even Paris"
And which "top US city" pray would you rank ahead of Paris - the centre of Western civilization for centuries before the US was even thought of, and surely the most beautiful large-scale urban settlement in the world. Let us not mention its role as a centre of politics, finance, education, transport, culture, education, fashion, commerce, tourism .....
|by Anonymous||reply 16||10/15/2010|
seems like there are many arbitrary rankings here.
As much as I personally love and respect Madrid, I'm not sure why it qualifies from any perspective as being more important than the cities listed in the category below, or for that matter, Barcelona which is not even in that lower category
But, let's face it, we are dealing with a very subjective thing here.
|by Anonymous||reply 17||10/15/2010|
"Interesting that Sydney ranked so high, on par with Paris and Tokyo (which I though would be up there with New York)."
It's not interesting, it's ridiculous.
|by Anonymous||reply 18||10/15/2010|
Up until very recently Paris was the capital of the world, now it's New York.
|by Anonymous||reply 19||10/15/2010|
Hong Kong, baby. We know Shanghai and Beijing are snapping at our heels. For now, we rule.
|by Anonymous||reply 20||10/15/2010|
Stockholm. Not that populous but an example of how we all should live. They're great at producing hotties too.%0D
|by Anonymous||reply 21||10/15/2010|
All right-thinking people know in their hearts Pyongyang of the Glorious Democratic People's Republic of Korea (%EC%A1%B0%EC%84%A0%EB%AF%BC%EC%A3%BC%EC%A3%BC%EC%9D%98%EC%9D%B8%EB%AF%BC%EA%B3%B5%ED%99%94%EA%B5%AD) is most important, modern city in world.
Suck on that, imperialist nancy boys!
|by Anonymous||reply 22||10/15/2010|
Sounds about right in all honesty. Especially that LA is in the same class as Warsaw and Mexico City! LOL
|by Anonymous||reply 23||10/15/2010|
[quote]Strange that there are only 3 American cities on that entire list. And only 5 in North America.
I don't think it's strange at all. It's hard for one country to support more than one world class city. It requires too great a concentration of capital, power and talent. Only China also has three, and one of them was a separate country until recently.
Europe has only recently been at all centralized and the different cultures, languages, currencies and political authority means each major country has a major city.
The US also has more Beta cities (seven) than any other country.
The reason Chicago outranks LA on this list is probably the futures exchanges.
It was not so long ago that Tokyo was probably at the top with London and New York.
|by Anonymous||reply 24||10/15/2010|
Paris is the world capital of cheese and disdain, but that's about it.
|by Anonymous||reply 25||10/15/2010|
I'm surprised that Milan is so high up, and that Berlin is so low down.
|by Anonymous||reply 26||10/15/2010|
Seems like an ideologically motivated list. Buenos Aires? Mexico City?
|by Anonymous||reply 27||10/15/2010|
Berlin will probably rise in time, r26. Until recently, it was mostly communist and not the political capital. Finance is in Frankfurt. Germany and Italy are the most decentralized countries in Europe because they were not single nations until quite late in history.
|by Anonymous||reply 28||10/15/2010|
More comments from people who have never been anywhere, please.
|by Anonymous||reply 29||10/15/2010|
The study is essentially based on the location of headquarters of transnational corporations that provide business services.
Don't read in to it more than it really is.
The skew towards European cities might reflect the fact that in the federated European economy, the need for companies to be transnational is stronger.
|by Anonymous||reply 30||10/15/2010|
You question Sydney being in that tier but not Singapore or Hong Kong? After all the best ever Olympic games was held in Sydney. Singapore or Hong Kong will never ever be able to stage the Olympic games.
|by Anonymous||reply 31||10/15/2010|
We have no interest in staging a doping-fest. We just are.
|by Anonymous||reply 32||10/15/2010|
My city is better than your city. Neener, neener, neener.
|by Anonymous||reply 33||10/15/2010|
R2, we are not taking about your interest but the ability to stage it. Look up at the list of major cities that contest for it every 4 years.
|by Anonymous||reply 34||10/15/2010|
Sydney, Australia is way too high. Australia has very little impact on the world. It is not a fashion, technology, banking, military, industrial, entertainment or population leader.
Berlin, particularly when history is included, should be listed as should Munich. Germany, under Angela Merkel, basically runs the EU zone today.
Hong Kong is not the business center anymore. Beijing now rules Chinese business.
Chicago is Oprah Winfrey city. That is all.
|by Anonymous||reply 35||10/15/2010|
Paris was never the capital of the world. The world does not speak French.
|by Anonymous||reply 36||10/15/2010|
This is so bogus. %0D %0D Chicago is hog butcher for the WORLD - definitely first tier.
|by Anonymous||reply 37||10/15/2010|
[quote]Germany, under Angela Merkel, basically runs the EU zone today.
But they do it from Frankfurt and Brussels.
|by Anonymous||reply 38||10/15/2010|
If we're talking financial centres there's no way Toronto would rank below Sydney. It's at least in the second tier.
|by Anonymous||reply 39||10/15/2010|
I'm a Sydneysider and love the place, but no way does Sydney deserve that ranking. Probably the reason it's been skewed to rank so high is a lot of multinational firms have their Asia/Pacific office here. And let's face it, that's a lifestyle choice more than a business decision. You're more likely to get budding young execs to relocate here, because they know the language and the weather is nice.
|by Anonymous||reply 40||10/15/2010|
R39 of course Toronto is rank behind Sydney financially speaking, their bourse is not even covered by CNBC or Bloomberg.
|by Anonymous||reply 41||10/15/2010|
Even though, it is "Gamma -" and pretty much the last city on the list, I can help but be secretly thrilled that Columbus, Ohio is listed.
|by Anonymous||reply 42||10/15/2010|
hrmph...CLeveland has the World's Largest Bath House*. I don't see Cleveland anywhere on that made up list.%0D %0D *and the world's largest crabs and bed bugs.%0D %0D Even the HIV virus was too large for the sauna.
|by Anonymous||reply 43||10/15/2010|
Sydney as an alpha city is ridiculous. economically, culturally etc.
It's a great city but not even in the league of an Osaka.
|by Anonymous||reply 44||10/15/2010|
Athens certainly isn't an Alpha city. It's disgusting, hideous, and broke.
|by Anonymous||reply 45||10/15/2010|
Chicago ranks above L.A. because of the Chicago Board of Trade, which makes it a world center of commodities and futures trading, and because dozens of fortune 500 companies are headquartered there. Are there any Fortune 500 companies headquartered in L.A.?
|by Anonymous||reply 46||10/16/2010|
Toronto, like Canada, is seen internationally and economically as an extension of the USA. Much like Scotland/England. Many of the stocks traded on the TSE are also traded in New York.
If you have ever visited Canada, outside of Toronto, you would realize how much different Toronto is from the rest of the country. Think of Toronto as New York city minor, but no longer run by the Swiss, as Peter Ustinov said in 1987.
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|by Anonymous||reply 48||10/16/2010|
What happened to San Francisco? Surely its residents' evaluation of their city's importance is not validated by this list!
|by Anonymous||reply 49||10/16/2010|
Sydney is a beautiful city but it's deathly boring once you get tired of the beach and 2 or 3 clubs. Its high ranking no doubt owes to Australia's recent mining boom: coal, gold, iron ore, uranium - boring shit like that.
|by Anonymous||reply 50||10/16/2010|
I keep reading "NY" and laughing because they mean Manhattan, and not the outer boroughs. We are pretty Gamma out here.
|by Anonymous||reply 51||10/16/2010|
R47 is pretty spot on except that Toronto thinks of itself as New York Minor when it really is Chicago Minor. And it is true that most of the big offices in TO/Mississauga are subsidiaries of US businesses.
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|by Anonymous||reply 55||10/19/2010|
Will New York ever get over itself? Basically, you have a small number of movers and shakers and 8 million hangers-on.
I'm a New Yorker. Born and raised in Brooklyn. Now on the UWS. Still, nothing irritates me more then some queen moving here from Oklahoma with some horrible accent, and five minutes later declaring themselves a proud New Yorker. "Let's go Yankees!" Good Lawd!
Dear people who live in New York: merely living here says nothing about you; it doesn't even make you a New Yorker. In lots of cases, it makes you a pathetic wannabe.
|by Anonymous||reply 56||10/19/2010|
The city with the most gay residents in constant need of affirmation that their city (and, by some magical process of association, they themselves) are important:
|by Anonymous||reply 57||10/19/2010|
Sydney should be down one category, and Auckland and Dublin not in the rankings at all.
|by Anonymous||reply 58||10/19/2010|
[R57] Spoken like a proud resident of Bumblef*ck, USA!
|by Anonymous||reply 59||10/20/2010|
R52 = Montrealer living under a collapsed overpass.
|by Anonymous||reply 60||10/20/2010|
los angeles is not a alpha minus. it is alpha but not listed as aplha minus.
|by Anonymous||reply 61||05/10/2012|
List has been changed since the thread was written.
Chicago and LA both upgraded.
SF, WDC, Atlanta, Philadelphia, Boston, Dallas and Miami now Alphas
|by Anonymous||reply 62||05/10/2012|
London has been over taken by chavs, there is no cool scene there anymore, just a legion of chavs listening to retarded hip-hop.
|by Anonymous||reply 63||05/10/2012|
The city-ranking thing is so very old-school DL-NYer eldergay.
Let's face some difficult facts: 1. New York is not what it was. 2. It's a great city, but living in New York does not automatically make YOU important or alpha or anything.
Pick up the pieces and MOVE ON.
|by Anonymous||reply 64||05/10/2012|
I'm not sure why Toronto is even an alpha city. It's nothing going for it compared to many other cities.
|by Anonymous||reply 65||05/10/2012|
"Important" - who cares about "important"?
Rome, astoundingly beautiful, interesting, vibrant, richly layered, sophisticated, evocative, its tendrils of history and art history extending in all directions for millennia, barely makes the list while Milan, a city that captures no one's imagination, lands on the 2nd tier as a serviceable center for Italian finance, furniture, and the rag trade?
That's a very important looking watch you have. What an important baby! You look so much more important with your hair longer. The most important book I ever read is...
Power and commercial influence may be interesting to some people, and might be criteria for siting a corporate branch operation, but they don't always make for places people want to visit or live.
|by Anonymous||reply 66||05/10/2012|
Oh ok, Dublin, Caracas and Auckland are more important than Berlin?
And yes, Rome should be up there with Paris and Tokyo.
Where are Copenhagen, Munich and Vancouver, anyway?
|by Anonymous||reply 67||05/10/2012|
It's kind of ridiculous that Rome is not there considering the power of the Vatican. There are a billion people sort of following the Pope.
|by Anonymous||reply 68||05/10/2012|
Toronto is a city filled with passive-aggressive, sullen and insecure posers who pretend they are living in an important city, but their boredom and 'looking over their shoulder - are we doing this right?' urban attitude exposes the truth. They act like extras in the background of a tv show shot in Toronto but identified as NYC or any other city of note (although NYC is culturally dead), which is more or less the reality of life in Toronto. Everybody is pretending they' are somewhere else. Torontonians cut off all ties to the quirky, gawky side of Canadian culture in an effort to be 'international' and it totally failed. Next they'll try acting as though 'Toronto' is 'better' than 'GTA', not just the rest of the country. But it isn't. Alpha fail.
|by Anonymous||reply 69||05/10/2012|
Splendid post, R66. Thank you.
The rest of you can go back to your provincial squabbling.
|by Anonymous||reply 70||05/10/2012|
OP a word to the wise about financial data. First of all, it is always a lie. Real wealth likes to hide, and it doesn't advertise where it is. Second, financial data are not systematically collected outside the banking system, so public sources will be uneven and misleading. Third, whatever you THINK you see now, the fact is that money always tracks demography and not vice versa. You may think Frankfurt is an elite city and Berlin a prole city, but the power relationship actually runs the other way and every year Berlin gets richer and Frankfurt relatively poorer.
|by Anonymous||reply 71||05/10/2012|
In the same way you can't call New York the most important city in the world when Albany calls its shots and Washington sets its parameters.
|by Anonymous||reply 72||05/10/2012|
Toronto? Imporant for what exactly? It is nothing more than a city made up of American franchizes and immigrants.
|by Anonymous||reply 73||05/10/2012|
I don't think any of you have actually traveled anywhere but down a beaten path to your local tubs...sad.
L.A.? God, what a dump.
|by Anonymous||reply 74||05/10/2012|
[quote]In the same way you can't call New York the most important city in the world when Albany calls its shots and Washington sets its parameters.
How much time do you suppose the power players actually spend in Albany?
|by Anonymous||reply 75||05/10/2012|
Dublin - best city in Europe for start ups, seat of govt, global air connections, EMEA HQ of lots of the worlds leading tech companies -Dublin recognised as the#1 EU hub for tech innovation where companies will start up,scale faster, live longer and go further. Great sports facilities Home of European Rugby Champions 3 of last 4 years only city in world to produce 3 Nobel literature prizewinners,best city in the world for human capital (Mercer) the list goes on - small but punching way above our weight!
|by Anonymous||reply 76||10/18/2013|
Why did you bump a year old thread just to add that?
|by Anonymous||reply 77||10/18/2013|
I love that L.A. is ranked on par with Warsaw. Now that says it all!!
|by Anonymous||reply 78||10/18/2013|
WHY is Dublin in the Alpha Minus group? It is Ireland's financial and business hub and gets a lot of money fro tourism every year, especially around the Temple Bar area.
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