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Ali McGraw on Oprah tomorrow!!

discussing obscurity I guess.

I just looked her up and I'm utterly shocked she received an Oscar nomination for Love on earth did that happen? Was it a really weak year? Who else were possible nominees?

the nominees Jane Alexander -- The Great White Hope {"Eleanor Bachman"} t Glenda Jackson -- Women in Love {"Gudrun Brangwen"} t Ali MacGraw -- Love Story {"Jenny Cavilleri"} t Sarah Miles -- Ryan's Daughter {"Rosy Ryan"} t Carrie Snodgress -- Diary of a Mad Housewife {"Tina Balser"}

by Anonymousreply 17208/17/2013

OP, I almost did a spit-take when I found out Love Story was nominated for 7 Oscars. I've never seen it, but consensus seems to be that it is a melodramatic piece of shit that has aged horribly.

by Anonymousreply 110/11/2010

Can't believe she was nominate a real talent like Glenda Jackson

by Anonymousreply 210/11/2010

If you've seen the film, OP and R1, you'd know that Ali gives the best performance in the film (except for John Marley as the boy's father). Next to Ryan O'Neal's non-acting, Ali looks like Greta Garbo and acts like Meryl Streep.

And next to the sequel ("Oliver's Story"), "Love Story" looks like "Gone With the Wind"!

by Anonymousreply 310/11/2010

OMG....I can't wait to watch this! Oh, my Gawd!

by Anonymousreply 410/11/2010

"Love Story" was the most popular movie released that year. You gays are slipping!

by Anonymousreply 510/11/2010

"you'd know that Ali gives the best performance in the film (except for John Marley as the boy's father). Next to Ryan O'Neal's non-acting, Ali looks like Greta Garbo and acts like Meryl Streep."%0D %0D %0D %0D %0D Maybe, but that doesn't mean she deserved an Oscar nomination.%0D

by Anonymousreply 610/11/2010

Jackson won, deservedly. Though Snodgress and Alexander were worthy contenders.

No, Ali was never much of an actress. Though when I saw Love Story as a kid, it did make me cry. I'd probably hoot all the way through it now. Ryan was cute.

by Anonymousreply 710/11/2010

You all would be wise to utilize the Internet, which I invented, to look up a little tidbit about "Love Story": It was based on me and Tipper.

by Anonymousreply 810/11/2010

"John Marley as the boy's father"%0D %0D No, John Marley played JENNIFER'S father. Ray Milland played Oliver's father.%0D %0D I am now going to slink away and try to ignore any questions about how I know so much about this POS movie.

by Anonymousreply 910/11/2010

Ali McGraw is 71 and looks as elegant and chic as she always has. She has great style and classic good looks - and always has. She's a terrible actress but has always looked very good - and never looks plastic, unlike DL icons Cher and madonna.

by Anonymousreply 1010/11/2010

Pretty bad year for movies all around. Some good war movies (Patton, MASH, Kelly's Heroes) and a Sylvester Stallone porno.

by Anonymousreply 1110/11/2010

I agree with r10.

by Anonymousreply 1210/11/2010

I remember that my sister went to see the film and brought home a shiny brochure with lobby pics and the storyline. It was a huge deal when it was first released.

by Anonymousreply 1310/11/2010

Ali may be the only acting nominee ever who literally could not act. If Theresa Russell had ever been nominated, Ali wouldn't stand alone. But she does. Ryan O'Nesl has a tiny modicum of acting talent. Ali had none.

Check her out on Dynasty, too. There's a reason she was the only major character killed in the Moldavia massacre.

by Anonymousreply 1410/11/2010

Ali MacGraw is beautiful and stylish, but she was just a terrible, terrible actress. She was so arch and overly-mannered it was like watching an animatronic.

by Anonymousreply 1510/11/2010

Ryan was charming, Ali was a snot. Watching this movie made me want to just smack her smug little face.

by Anonymousreply 1610/11/2010

[quote] She was so arch and overly-mannered it was like watching an animatronic.%0D %0D But, that's why she got nominated. Her character called for an overly-mannered person, which was perfect for her playing the role.

by Anonymousreply 1710/11/2010

She was really "exotic" looking at that time, now she looks ordinary, even when she was in her prime, her looks today were ORDINARY not gorgeous but at that time her looks were "wow", because we didn't have that many non-white looking people out there with black hair.

by Anonymousreply 1810/11/2010

Just a warning, Ryan's on the show tomorrow too, wailing about Farrah. Oprah's billing it "A Love Story Reunion." Ryan's wearing 3x more makeup than Ali.

by Anonymousreply 1910/11/2010

"Her character called for an overly-mannered person, which was perfect for her playing the role."%0D %0D No, her character was a scholarship student from a working class background who felt out of place at Radcliffe. Jennifer may have acted defensive, but her character was not written as artificial or overly-mannered. MacGraw was just a clunky actress who had 2 ways of playing a scene: stilted, and sniveling.

by Anonymousreply 2010/11/2010

Ali looks like a wrinkled prune.

by Anonymousreply 2110/11/2010

Ali gave the same performance in all of her movies....that of a snooty brat. Just think of Brenda in GOODBYE COLUMBUS and you have the extent of her reportoire. She was only hired for the role of Brenda because she fit the role physically and the fact that she'd been a very popular cover girl for SEVENTEEN magazine.

by Anonymousreply 2210/11/2010

As bad an actress as McGraw was, there really weren't a lot of other choices for a best actress nomination in 1970. At least when one considers films made in English.

Streisand gave her worst performance in The Owl And The Pussycat. She is unwatchable, so bad that McGraw deserved the nomination over her.

Hawn made There's A Girl In My Soup. I haven't seen it but I don't think too many people have noted it as an important role for her.

by Anonymousreply 2310/11/2010

It isn't that McGraw was always the same. It's that she just could not act.

by Anonymousreply 2410/11/2010

the nominees should have been

Jackson, Snodgress, Miles (a good actress in an overblown movie and a not exactly brilliant role), Alexander

and Liv Ullman in The Passion of Anna.

but, honestly, there was no other viable choice that year. There was a real shortage of good roles for women in the early 70s; a much worse time to be an actress in movies than now.

by Anonymousreply 2510/11/2010

besides Ullman, there was one additional foreign performance that year worthy of a nomination.

Catheriine Denueve in Tristana

but, as far as performances in English, there really wasn't much else. Sure, the ladies of Five Easy Pieces were all good, but they were all supporting roles.

by Anonymousreply 2610/11/2010

agree totally on Ullman but not on Denueve. Her performance in Tristana was dubbed into Spanish. Hard enough to get an oscar nomination in a foreign language role as it is.

Exponentially (and much more reasonably) difficult ) for a French movie star in a Spanish movie with her voice dubbed.

by Anonymousreply 2710/11/2010

"Ali may be the only acting nominee ever who literally could not act."

What am I, chopped liver?

by Anonymousreply 2810/11/2010

I looked up the golden globe nominees from that year (MacGraw actually won!) Some of there different nominees for drama were Faye Dunaway in Puzzle of a Downfall Child and Melina Mercouri in Promise at Dawn. Never heard of them. Were they worthy?

by Anonymousreply 2910/11/2010

McGraw's performance is terrible. But the only lead performance in English from that year that could possibly have been nominated over McGraw's was Sandy Dennis's hilarious turn in The Out of Towners. Broad comic performances don't usually stand a chance.

Dunaway's and Mercouri's lead performances that year were both in huge flops and far from their finest work.

Dunaway was hilarious in Little Big Man but it's a very small role.

by Anonymousreply 3010/11/2010

Ali pretty much disappeared after her divorce from Steve McQueen.%0D %0D I'm looking forward to seeing her tomorrow.

by Anonymousreply 3110/11/2010

r 25, THE PASSION OF ANNA is a dreadful, pretentious, boring, hilariously self-important, awful, stupid, unwatchable film. It's Bergman at his most humorless and navel-gazing. Every print of it should be destroyed.

LOVE STORY is a dreadful movie, but it was also a HUGE success, with the theme song playing everywhere, everywhere; the novelized version of the film staying #1 on the TIMES bestseller list for eons; the catch-phrase "Love means never having to say you're sorry" being repeated all over the place; and even, I think it was 7-UP, quoting a scene from the film in one of its commercials: the film scene was O'Neal and McGraw lying together on a couch, wrapped in each other's arms, while O'Neal, Harvard boy, was reading a book, and O'Neal says, "I'm studying, I'm really studying"; the commercial was a guy wrapped up with a giant can of 7-UP, saying, "I'm thirsty, I'm really thirsty."

Plus, the death scene was famous, with McGraw saying, like, "Kiss me you fucking preppy, I'm dying." It must have been the first Hollywood love story in which the heroine, on her death bed, uttered obscenities.

It was compared to CAMILLE, of course, though it was hardly in the same category.

Oh, and that endless sequence where the two stars frolic in the snow and make snow bunnies and throw snowballs at each other, while Francis Lai's music plays in the background. . .

The movie was a huge cultural event, parodied on TV, etc. It was a throwback Hollywood women's weeper but with a kind of vaguely hippie chick at the center, and it made tons of dough.

by Anonymousreply 3210/11/2010

She did "The Winds of War" in 1983 and was so bad the network refused to make the sequel "War and Rembrance" unless her role was recast. Jane Seymour got it and did her best work ever.

by Anonymousreply 3310/11/2010

I disagree about Streisand in The Owl and the Pussycat. It's a good romantic comedy -- in my opinion, her best and one of the best of the period (admittedly not the height of the genre). She and George Segal are very funny together. She has better chemistry with him than with any of her other co-stars, except for Redford and perhaps Gene Hackman in All Night Long (which bombed when it came out but isn't bad at all).

by Anonymousreply 3410/11/2010

Mad Magazine did a fabulous send-up of Love Story in which the dying Jennifer becomes more and more beautiful as she becomes sicker, and then suddenly, on her deathbed....she falls over into acute homeliness complete with big ugly nose and nostrils.%0D %0D Guess you had to be there, but I thought it was a riot.

by Anonymousreply 3510/11/2010

[quote] the novelized version of the film staying #1 on the TIMES bestseller list for eons...

EXCUSE ME! My novel "Love Story" was published on February 14, 1970, almost 10 months BEFORE the film was released, and was THE #1 BEST SELLING FICTION BOOK OF THE YEAR, .

by Anonymousreply 3610/11/2010

Ali was nominated for the same reason she got the role: She was married to the producer Robert Evans, who was then one of the most powerful men in Hollywood. She left him for Steve McQueen, which was a stupid career move since immediately thereafter she pretty much stopped getting work.

by Anonymousreply 3710/11/2010

I remember going to seeing What's Up Doc as a kid and then Love Story like 10 years later. Only then did I get why Barbra says "love means never having to say your sorry..."

cute inside joke

by Anonymousreply 3810/11/2010

r 36, Segal wrote LOVE STORY originally as a screenplay, and then once the film deal was set, he rewrote it as a novel.

If you don't believe me, believe wikipedia, even though it can hardly write a grammatical sentence:

"The book's origins were in that of a screenplay Segal wrote and was subsequently approved for production by Paramount Pictures. Paramount requested that Segal adapt the story into novel form as a preview of sorts for the film."

by Anonymousreply 3910/12/2010

Carol Burnett parody, "Lovely Story" at :30-

by Anonymousreply 4010/12/2010

They should have hired Carol Burnett for the role.

by Anonymousreply 4110/12/2010

r32, interesting review of The Passion of Anna, but you don't talk at all about Ullman's performance.

No one has anything bad to say about Ullman's performance, and no sane person would argue that McGraw was a better actress than Ullman.

by Anonymousreply 4210/12/2010

Karen Valentine should have played Jenny.


by Anonymousreply 4310/12/2010

Ali wasn't bad at all in Sidney Lumet's "Just Tell Me What You Want," an very entertaining movie which is almost completely forgotten. (And I think her turn in "Convoy" was unforgivable.)

But her greatest performance was in the Polaroid Swinger commercials, circa about 1966, I'd guess. She really did have that 60s girl look down perfectly.

by Anonymousreply 4410/12/2010

What's the big deal about "Love Story" being nominated for Oscars? Sure, it was a piece of shit, but so what? "Titanic" was a piece of shit and that fucking thing won Best Picture and a slew of other Oscars.%0D %0D The audience for "Love Story" must have been swooning women who dragged their husbands or boyfriends to the movies with them so they could both experience the heartbreaking saga of Oliver and Jenny. I can't imagine any man going to see this movie who wasn't forced to by a female, unless he was gay and saw the movie to drool over Ryan O'Neal. %0D %0D Was Ali McGraw really an actress? Or was she just a model who got movie roles because of her looks? Linda Blair was that type; a child model who had done little acting besides tv commercials, she got the role in "The Exorcist" without any real acting experience at all.

by Anonymousreply 4510/12/2010

The ONLY reason Ali got nominated was because Love Story was a best selling book and a mega hit movie. It happens like that sometimes. %0D %0D "Just think of Brenda in GOODBYE COLUMBUS"%0D %0D Fabulous perfromance from Ali in that because she was playing herself. Otherwise, it's amazing how she cannot read words aloud without sounding like a third grader. She defines AWFUL as an actress.

by Anonymousreply 4610/12/2010

I think McGraw was nominated because she suited that role very well and it was iconic, at the time anyway. We now have the benefit of hindsight and knowledge of the terrible performances she gave thereafter. But at the time, she seemed on her way to bigtime stardom.

by Anonymousreply 4710/12/2010

McGraw was for awhile considered a frontrunner for the Oscar. Young starlet, married to Bob Evans, and in the biggest movie of the year.

Despite winning the critics awards, Jackson was unknown, didn't campaign, and her movie had come out early in 1970 and these were the days before screeners.

by Anonymousreply 4810/12/2010

Allegedly, Ali was going to play Daisy in "The Great Gatsby" until she ran off with Steve McQueen.

Streisand is kind of wonderful in "The Owl and the Pussycat."

by Anonymousreply 4910/12/2010

[quote]But her greatest performance was in the Polaroid Swinger commercials, circa about 1966%0D %0D Circa means around...therefore about is totally unnececessary. Now you know.

by Anonymousreply 5010/12/2010

Vanity Fair did a lovely piece on Ali earlier this year.

And I had a Swinger!

by Anonymousreply 5110/12/2010

OK not much of an actress but I loved her in GOODBYE, COLUMBUS. Beautiful too.

by Anonymousreply 5210/12/2010

And they say I was wooden!

by Anonymousreply 5310/12/2010

R47, at the time, in 1970-71, JOKES were made about Ali's lousy Love Story performance and how she managed to be nominated for Best Actress Oscar, Bob Evans or not.

by Anonymousreply 5410/12/2010

Everyone's writing that she was a terrible actress but there are worse. Give her a break! I think people probably don't like her because she comes across as a little prissy.

She was so beautiful in her unique way and she had a lot of style. She made a BIG mistake careerwise by leaving Hollywood for Steve mcQueen (but I understand her since he was HANDSOME!!!)

She wrote a very candid and interesting biography in the early 90's which I recommend. What she didn't mention in it (or I might have forgotten) was how much she worked as model in the 60's. She was the face for Chanel for a while. I really want to see her in "Just Tell me what you want" and "Players"! Classy woman!

by Anonymousreply 5510/12/2010

I watch Love Story every once in a while because Ryan O'Neal was just so beautiful. Loved his hairy chest, too.

by Anonymousreply 5610/12/2010

Copied from a Oscar forum.

[quote]It seems strange with her precursors, but Jackson was a jaw dropping upset. That year I followed as best as I could from a pre-net high freshman in college perspective, an no one was predicting her.[quote]

[quote]She was unknown in LA; did no campaign; WiL had come out early in the year, had not done all that well. Jackson was considered no better than in fourth position, behind MacGraw, Sarah Miles (thought to be surging) and Carrie Snodgress.[quote]

[quote]The dynamic that year had been that the hot young star of the huge currently playing hit - Ali MacGraw, Time Magazine cover girl, married to Bob Evans - was going to win. There was a backlash developing - but the guess was that Miles was the beneficiary. MGM had a huge campaign for her and the film. In retrospect, that Jackson won all those other awards clearly set her up as a reasonable alternative - but there were doubts that the film was widely seen by a lot of members, and in fact, there was a lot of guessing that Miles and Jackson were hurting each other, help to ensure a MacGraw victory.[quote]

by Anonymousreply 5710/12/2010

You lost your point with this sentence"%0D %0D "he (McQueen) was HANDSOME!!!"

by Anonymousreply 5810/12/2010

Ryan is on too and he is such a phony!

by Anonymousreply 5910/12/2010

Ali was still offered tons of scripts after she left Evans. THE GETAWAY was one of 1972's biggest hits. She WAS a HUGE star in the early 70s. She was set to do Chinatown and Gatsby when she ran off with McQueen (do you blame her?,a hot, hot man!). She was also offered 3 Days of the Condor and Nashville. By the time she returned to the screen in '78 in Players she was 40 and had cut her hair and the fact that both Players and Convoy bombed sort of put her into a second tier/TV actress type mode. But the lady was a star bigger than Fonda,Dunaway and Burstyn for awhile in the early 70s!

by Anonymousreply 6010/12/2010

>>>Streisand is kind of wonderful in "The Owl and the Pussycat."

Well...okay...but comedy performances never get nominated.

>>>Ryan is on too and he is such a phony!

Ryan was always funny. Where he's phony is how he promotes the idea that he and Farrah were still together when they were SEPARATED for the last 12 years of their "relationship."

by Anonymousreply 6110/12/2010

What happened to Carrie Snodgress?

by Anonymousreply 6210/12/2010

I saw the movie about ten years ago when I was a Freshman in college. It was playing at 3AM on some station. I fucking loved it. But I took it for what it was. I've been slightly obsessed with Ali after that. She is a case study in being handed the world simply because you are beautiful and nothing else.

She really was just fucking gorgeous.

by Anonymousreply 6310/12/2010

R62 She died

by Anonymousreply 6410/12/2010

Liver transplant never showed up.

by Anonymousreply 6510/12/2010

I wish they'd put DoaMH on disc.

by Anonymousreply 6610/12/2010

I saw Love Story in the Movie theater. I must have been 5 or 6. Can you believe that. My mother was nuts. She took me to Jaws, Godfather and The Getaway too. I swear she took me to "Making Love" but she claims this never happened.

by Anonymousreply 6710/12/2010

She's claiming on Orpah that she never had plastic surgery, and she's bitching about women who have.%0D %0D %0D Ha!

by Anonymousreply 6810/12/2010

Notice how Ali and Oprah did NOT mention Bob Evans and if Ryan had't referenced him his name would never have come up. Interesting since he fathered her son and he let her live on his property for many years when she was down and out.

by Anonymousreply 6910/12/2010

She's claiming on Orpah that she never had plastic surgery, and she's bitching about women who have. Ha!%0D %0D %0D ****Well she NEEDS it! There's nothing wrong with having one's neck tightened along with the puss puss.

by Anonymousreply 7010/12/2010

I'm watching too, now they're talking about the scene where they made snow angels!

by Anonymousreply 7110/12/2010

Ryan was a blubbering old queen.

by Anonymousreply 7210/12/2010

no r68..she said she had some years ago

by Anonymousreply 7310/12/2010

did you notice how the Oprah wouldn't let Ali hug her? so awkward...

by Anonymousreply 7410/12/2010

[quote]no one touches the O.

Ha ha ha ha!

by Anonymousreply 7510/12/2010

Ryan looked like he'd had a facelift.

Oprah, of course, made much of the interview all about her, and went off on a tangent about how women today are looks-obsessed.

More than a tad hypocritical, since every other episode is about make-overs.

by Anonymousreply 7610/12/2010

McGraw looked incredible in The Getaway. I love her suede trench in the railway station. Lot's of great chemistry in that film.%0D %0D McQueen kept her a virtual prisoner during their marriage. I think he knocked her around a bit. In desperation she agreed to make 'Convoy' and he kicked her out. Pity there was a such a disconnect between the McQueen persona on screen and his asshole real self.

by Anonymousreply 7710/12/2010

"McQueen kept her a virtual prisoner during their marriage. I think he knocked her around a bit."%0D %0D Sad but true. He also forbid her to put on weight and once called her boobs "a couple of bee stings" in front of others. He frequently ridiculed her lack of talent.

by Anonymousreply 7810/12/2010

Ali McGraw turned down Daisy in The Great Gatsby

by Anonymousreply 7910/12/2010

[quote]Ali McGraw turned down Daisy in The Great Gatsby

So did Natalie Wood. She refused to do a screen test.

by Anonymousreply 8010/12/2010

Met her in Santa monica outside a movie theater. Could not have been sweeter. Chatted with me for 10 minutes and was so nice! She looked fantastic too.

by Anonymousreply 8110/12/2010

Just looked her up on IMDB. Had no idea she that she's now 72.

Or that she was 32 when Love Story was filmed. She looks younger than 32 in the film.

by Anonymousreply 8210/12/2010

I remember going crazy for that movie when it came out. I thought it was outstanding filmmaking. I think I was 12.

Part of the buzz about it, as has been mentioned, was that it was being discussed as a throwback to the Golden Age of films and the way tearjerkers were frequently a prominent theme.

I felt extremely validated when Ali was nominated for the Oscar. My mother, however, still couldn't see things my way. She said that Ali must have crocheted a bunch of hates and sent them to the Academy members. She cared neither for Ali or her signature look. It wasn't until quite a bit later that I thought what she said was actually pretty funny.

by Anonymousreply 8310/12/2010

Ali McGraw has never been a good actress, granted. She herself has admitted to never taking acting lessons. It shows. But damn it, there is something downright interesting about her in all her films! Not that there were THAT many, mind you, However,if you ever get your hands on an almost forgotten movie called Goodbye Columbus starring McGraw and Richard Benjamin, you may see what I mean. She is worth watching, and Benjamin is just plain wonderful.

by Anonymousreply 8410/12/2010

Did she discuss her groundbreaking work as Lady Ashley on Dynasty?

by Anonymousreply 8510/12/2010

I once saw Ali, years ago, in a restaurant in New York, on Columbus Ave. She'd placed herself very conspicuously in the glassed in area on the sidewalk. You could see her from miles around.%0D %0D A homeless person came and stood at the window and stared in at her. Her unfamous friend was making a big fuss about it. So they moved inside the restaurant. Then the homeless person came into the place and shouted 'I see you, ALI MCGRAW...I see you'.

by Anonymousreply 8610/13/2010

Ali looks spectacular for 71 and every wrinkle is just a life line, earned . %0D To the poster that said she didn't mention Bob Evans, watch again, she did early in the interview but just his name, did not talk about their relationship.

by Anonymousreply 8710/13/2010

Second that R84- loved her in GOODBYE COLUMBUS.

by Anonymousreply 8810/13/2010

What nationality is Ali? Does she have any latina in her?

by Anonymousreply 8910/13/2010

She didn't turn down Daisy. Robert Evans decided to remake Gatsby for her (Paramount already owned the novel, having filmed it in 1949 with Alan Ladd), but when she ran off with McQueen, she left the role behind. Mia Farrow wrote Evans and asked if she could "be his Daisy," and she got the job. She was the best thing in a movie that was as dull as the book is riveting.

I think it was a sign of respect that she didn't mention Evans. She didn't bring up McQueen either; Oprah did. And when Oprah asked her if he was the love of her life, she refused to answer. She also talked conspicuously about "the love for an ex-lover" as one of the many important kinds of love. She and Evans are still very close friends, and they seem to be there for each other when things get bad. I wonder what their son looks like -- another person Ali barely mentioned. I just think she doesn't want to go on national television and talk about the people who are close to her. She has a kind of thoughtfulness -- a sense of boundaries -- most celebrities lack.

One of her best friends is Candy Bergen -- another limited actress (though Bernhardt compared with Ali) who's supposed to be smart, professional, and very, very nice. Have any of you read her memoir, Knock Wood? It's one of the best of its kind: discreet about others while revealing about herself. In that nasty book about Marlo Thomas by her butler, Bergen comes off almost alone among her friends (all feminists) as courteous and warm.

by Anonymousreply 9010/13/2010

It's funny, Ali and Candice Bergen, besides being beautiful, they're very intelligent, articulate women. Mediocre actresses.%0D %0D Farrah Faucett -- inarticulate dummy. Mediocre actress.

by Anonymousreply 9110/13/2010

I can't imagine which role Ali could have played in Nashville! Please do tell.

by Anonymousreply 9210/13/2010

Ali & Bob Evans' son Josh looks exactly as you'd expect:

by Anonymousreply 9310/13/2010

R93! Egads! He looks exactly like he was put through one of those computer treatments Conan used to do in a segment called "If They Mated."

It takes the oddest features of both celebrities and combines them.

by Anonymousreply 9410/13/2010

In 1970, there were less than ten arguable choices for lead performances by women in oscar material type roles.%0D %0D Not suprising that they went with the star of one of the biggest hits of the year as a nominee.%0D %0D What is suprising, however, is that an actress as patently incompetent as McGraw got any of the roles she did, including Jennifer Cavalieri in Love Story.%0D %0D

by Anonymousreply 9510/13/2010

R92- Geraldine Chaplin's role.

by Anonymousreply 9610/13/2010

"It's funny, Ali and Candice Bergen, besides being beautiful, they're very intelligent, articulate women. Mediocre actresses.%0D %0D Farrah Faucett -- inarticulate dummy. Mediocre actress."%0D %0D McGraw isn't a mediocre actress. She's catastrophically bad.%0D %0D Bergen started out as a mediocre actress. She turned into a very deft comedienne of limited range.%0D %0D Fawcett started out as as an ornament, not an actress. She surprised everyone by quite good performances in The Burning Bed and Extremities.%0D %0D

by Anonymousreply 9710/13/2010

I loved Farrah in Murder in Texas too. That was the start of her good performances. That's all.

by Anonymousreply 9810/13/2010

I see McGraw more in the Raines role than the Chaplin one, but thank God she didn't get either one of them. Raines played your basic smart and hip cutie circa 1974. Chaplin's Opal was the quirky outsider and a very bizarre one at that. Nashville has a uniformly superb cast. The last thing they needed was the worst screen actress of all time fucking up a masterpiece.%0D %0D And don't get me started on the possibility that she would have played Daisy Buchanan .... yikes!

by Anonymousreply 9910/13/2010

I'm sure she's a very smart, lovely woman. I've never heard anybody say anything bad about her.%0D %0D Other than the obvious. Girl. Could. Not. Act. %0D %0D To Save Her Life!%0D %0D She is the most embarrassingly bad actress who ever lived.%0D %0D Having said that, while she isn't at all good as Jennifer in Love Story, it was certainly her best effort. She is relatively tolerable in it, when one considers how awful she was in her other roles.

by Anonymousreply 10010/13/2010

A big part of Ali and Candice's appeal was the veneer of being unattainable.

by Anonymousreply 10110/13/2010

[quote]the lady was a star bigger than Fonda,Dunaway and Burstyn for awhile in the early 70s!

No she wasn't. I was there, and she wasn't. She was a novelty star, due to Love Story, briefly.

Fonda, Dunaway and Burstyn were all considered good actresses to go along with their period of box-office clout and fame.

by Anonymousreply 10210/13/2010

She is Jewish on her mother's side and Scottish on her father's side. Not Latina. But again she looks ORDINARY to me today, not exotic, she was exotic then because she was dark haired and dark eyed in a sea of light haired people and blue eyes but she was nothing great to look at if you compare her looks to today.

by Anonymousreply 10310/13/2010

Farrah was also terrific playing madcap heiress Betty Hutton.

by Anonymousreply 10410/13/2010

Make that BARBARA Hutton, r104.

Betty Hutton was the madcap actress/singer/drug addict/rectory maid.

by Anonymousreply 10510/13/2010

Oprah has been parading older declining white woman onstage and making snide remarks about their current state of decrepitude. She then shows a video of a well preservde blackwoman to compare and contrast - Oprah can't conceal her bitterness and how much she believes her wealth and success is a sign from God.

by Anonymousreply 10610/13/2010

Farrah was ONE NOTE: VICTIM. Cry, suffer, sniffle, look afraid.

She had no range. She was such a limited actress. However, she could read a line without sounding like a third grader, unlike McGraw. then -- Farrah was not the sharpest knife in the drawer, unlike McGraw. But I never could get past Farrah's stupidness off-screen.

by Anonymousreply 10710/13/2010

Ali McGraw is beautiful, and always has been...but if they filmed her saying "my name is Ali McGraw" she could not make it sound believable.

by Anonymousreply 10810/13/2010

[quote]But I never could get past Farrah's stupidness off-screen.

Shitty taste in men and could act loopy off screen but Farrah wasn't stupid. She had a world class art collection and made a lot of smart financial moves, including obtaining the copyright to a lot of her photos before everyone else did.

[quote]Fonda, Dunaway and Burstyn were all considered good actresses to go along with their period of box-office clout and fame.

Other then Fonda, neither Burstyn or Dunaway were considered big box office draws.

[quote]No she wasn't. I was there, and she wasn't. She was a novelty star, due to Love Story, briefly.

Three big box office hits, a Time cover, and Oscar nomination doesn't make a novelty star.

by Anonymousreply 10910/13/2010

Fun fact: Ali's real first name is ALICE. Most people assume it's Allison.%0D

by Anonymousreply 11010/13/2010

Well, kick yer dog and slap yer mama, R-110!

by Anonymousreply 11110/13/2010

Jane Fonda's career actually was on the downslide from 71-76. She made her comeback film Fun With Dick and Jane in 1976 and then a series of politically themed but well done, highly entertaining films. Ali McGraw was a HUGE star from 1970-1975. Ali and Steve McQueen were the Brad and Angelina of their day. In the early 70s Ali was a bigger female star than everyone but Streisand. She didn't do more films after the Getaway because McQueen did not want her to.

by Anonymousreply 11210/13/2010

Speaking of Candice Bergen, "Easy Riders, Raging Bullls," Peter Biskind's tawdry and addictive expose of '70s Hollywood, goes in-depth about how she was bullied and micromanaged by asshole producer Bert Schneider (co-founder of BBS, which made "Easy Rider," "Last Picture Show," "Five Easy Pieces," etc.). At parties he would go on drug trips and explain to her that she needed to accept that he was a love object for many women. She left him for William Holden.

by Anonymousreply 11310/13/2010

Random observation: Angie Harmon looks like the spitting image of a young Ali Macgraw (circa 1972). If there's ever a Steve McQueen biopic, Angie would be a perfect candidate to portray Ali.%0D %0D Case in point:%0D %0D

by Anonymousreply 11410/14/2010

I'm too lazy to look to see if anyone has posted this:

by Anonymousreply 11510/14/2010

Sandy Dennis should have gotten at least a nomination for The Out-of-Towners - she was very funny and kind of touching. 1970 may have been a bad year for actresses, but there were still%0D actresses in 1970 films who gave better performances than MacGraw: Lynn Redgrave (The Virgin Soldiers and Last of the Mobile Hot Shots), Diana Muldaur (The Lawyer), Marie Christine Barrault (My Night at Maud's), Samantha Eggar (The Walking Stick), Jennifer Salt (The Revolutionary), Marlo Thomas (Jenny), Shirley Stoler (The Honeymoon Killers), Patty Duke (My Sweet Charlie), Stella Stevens (Ballad of Cable Hogue), Jacqueline Bissett (Airport), Eva Marie Saint (Loving), Shelley Winters (Bloody Mama), Anne Jackson (Zigzag), Ingrid Bergman (A Walk in the Spring Rain), Paula Prentiss (Catch-22), Shirley MacLaine (Two Mules for Sister Sarah), Angela Lansbury (Something for Everyone), Liza Minnelli (Tell Me That You Love Me Junie Moon), Ruth Gordon (Where's Poppa?) or any of the actresses in Five Easy Pieces or Lovers and Other Strangers.%0D Perhaps the only actresses who were worse than Ali: Daria Halprin (Zabriskie Point), Florence Henderson (Song of Norway), Nanette Fabray (The Cockeyed Cowboys of Calico County)and the ladies of "Beyond the Valley of the Dolls" and "Myra Breckinridge."

by Anonymousreply 11610/14/2010

r116 You can't really be serious with most of the names you listed! %0D %0D Marlo Thomas, Patty Duke, Stella Stevens, ANYONE in Airport, Bloody Mama, Shirley MacLaine as a nun with false eyelashes in a Clint Eastwood Western???%0D %0D Surely you've merely found a list of all living actresses from that year but had not yet been born then yourself?%0D %0D But I do agree on Sandy Dennis.%0D %0D

by Anonymousreply 11710/14/2010

[quote]ANYONE in Airport,%0D %0D I was thinking the same.%0D %0D But Sandy Dennis in Our Of Towners? That was a pretty lame and annoying comedy. But, on reflection Sandy did a good job with the weak material. On th eother hand, I always thought Jack Lemmon was a one trick pony. Absolutely the same in every thing he did. A very boring actor.%0D %0D Ali & Love Story...she was nominated because her performance affected a lot of people deeply and obviously confused people into thinking it was a good performance.

by Anonymousreply 11810/14/2010

It's all about the Zeitgeist.

by Anonymousreply 11910/14/2010

86 - I have always loved Richard Benjamin. I think he was great. Goodbye Columbus was pretty good and so was the short story it was based on.

by Anonymousreply 12010/14/2010

[quote]Goodbye Columbus was pretty good %0D %0D But it's dated terribly, unlike many other better films of the era.

by Anonymousreply 12110/14/2010

"Shitty taste in men and could act loopy off screen but Farrah wasn't stupid. She had a world class art collection and made a lot of smart financial moves, including obtaining the copyright to a lot of her photos before everyone else did."%0D %0D Financial decisions are made by profesional advisors, not her. %0D %0D Farrah was extremely kittenish and inarticulate regardless of her 'art collection.' I even remember her on Donahue in the midst of her Charlie's Angels fame getting shouted down by female audience members who were fed up with her simple minded answers to questions about world affairs, women's lib, events of the day -- she was ignorant and sounded like an idiot. She didn't read.

by Anonymousreply 12210/14/2010

[quote]Financial decisions are made by profesional advisors, not her.

Wrong. Farrah was an art major and surprisingly well versed in art history and knew what to buy. She grew up in the Texas oilfields so the decision to buy mineral interests I'm going to guess what something she did on her own. She agreed to do the poster before Charlie's Angels made her a star if she could own the copyright to the images. That was uncommon back then and turned out to be a good decision. She did the same with the Playboy spreads she did in the mid 90's and made millions.

by Anonymousreply 12310/14/2010

I remember being seven years old in the early 80s and watching Ali McGraw on DYNASTY and thinking, "Bitch can't act!"

by Anonymousreply 12410/14/2010

R44, I completely forgot I'd had a Polaroid Swinger til I clicked in your link It said "YES" if it was ready to take a picture. I remember waiting for the YES and then clicking.

I got it for my 11th birthday but it didn't last long. Either it broke or I couldn't afford to buy film for it. It took black and white photos.

by Anonymousreply 12510/14/2010

I remember when the term "superstar" was invented and Ali McGraw was labeled a superstar. Like Elliot Gould, she was red hot for like a year or two and then fizzled. But when they were hot, they were like sociological phenomena. They were everywhere. Hard to believe today that Elliot Gould was a superstar, but he was in a ton of films in a 2 year period, was on every magazine cover, on every talk show, just everywhere. He was the first person I ever heard referred to as "overexposed."

by Anonymousreply 12610/14/2010

Good for Ali showing some boundaries.

by Anonymousreply 12710/14/2010

Farrah knew how to shit on the lawn. I can't imagine Ali pinching a dookie on the lawn in the middle of a party.

by Anonymousreply 12810/14/2010

Candice dated William Holden?!? She didn't write about it in her book "Knock Wood".

What I can't understand is why Ali never took acting lessons! She could have become better. She could have taken some before her comeback in the late 70's when her star was fading or after she lost her role in "Dynasty". Maybe she was too proud?

by Anonymousreply 12910/14/2010

"Maybe she was too proud?"

too drunk maybe. She said to Oprah she was drunk until she was 47.

by Anonymousreply 13010/14/2010

You bitches have to admit that I was much more interesting than the real Diane Downs in Small Sacrifices!%0D %0D And prettier, too!

by Anonymousreply 13110/15/2010

Why are you all bitches assuming Ali didn't take acting lessons?

by Anonymousreply 13210/15/2010

R126, then you rmember that "superstar" was coined for Barbra Streisand in LOOK magazine in 1966?%0D %0D Elliot Gould self-destructed on drugs in 1971 -- a movie he was making called "A Glimpse of Tiger" was closed down and Gould became uninsurable for 2 years. The film "Tiger" eventually was revived and became "What's up Doc" starring Streisand and Ryan O'Neal...

by Anonymousreply 13310/15/2010

I'd like to see a movie starring Ali McGraw, Candice Bergen, and Olivia Newton-John. A big screen Golden Girls. Oh the acting in that!

by Anonymousreply 13410/16/2010

r132, she was on a talk show years ago bragging that she never took an acting lesson in her life.%0D %0D You could almost hear the audience people's brains screaming "Duh,No Kidding!!"

by Anonymousreply 13510/16/2010

How did the grotesque Elliot Gould ever become famous? My mother used to practically hurl when she would see him on tv.

by Anonymousreply 13610/16/2010

The idiot who posted the negative rant about Bergman (a)knows nothing about him, and (b)is one of those middlebrows who can talk forever about Hollywood yet only babble nonsense on foreign films. First of all, moron, the film is "A Passion" (the American distributor changed the name of the film). Second of all, Ullman's performance is only one of 4 great ones in the film--and in fact, Bibi Anderson rivals Ullman. %0D %0D Btw, let me ask the Bergman troll: what was unique about the film and the homage to Godard that Bergman pays? 1,2,3...%0D %0D Of course he does not know.%0D %0D As for "Love Story," the film is so bad that it is actually fun. Then again, I went stoned. I was 16 and in the mood for trash. My friends and I got high and giggled all the way through it. When Ali said "bullshit, preppie" I remember feeling like I would fall out of my seat.

by Anonymousreply 13710/16/2010

r136, did you ever see him in Bob, Carol, Ted and Alice?%0D %0D He was good. I'm not saying super sexy, but he was good!

by Anonymousreply 13810/16/2010

Isn't "Love Story" still screened every year for incoming freshmen at Harvard?

by Anonymousreply 13910/16/2010

"Three big box office hits, a Time cover, and Oscar nomination doesn't make a novelty star."%0D %0D %0D %0D %0D Having an Oscar nomination doesn't make you a star. A mere three hits doesn't make you a star, either.%0D %0D

by Anonymousreply 14010/16/2010

"A mere three hits doesn't make you a star, either." %0D %0D Most "stars" today don't even have one box office hit. MacGraw had three, so yes, she was a star.%0D

by Anonymousreply 14110/16/2010

ROFLMAO. She got lucky. She was not a huge star.

by Anonymousreply 14210/16/2010

The Getaway had great clothes,Ali was a fashion icon,to me anyway.

by Anonymousreply 14310/16/2010

[quote]ROFLMAO. She got lucky. She was not a huge star.

In the early 70's yes she was a huge star. Most of them become huge stars because of luck dear.

by Anonymousreply 14410/16/2010

Elliott's success was somewhat based on him being the first truly Jewish-looking young leading man in films at a time (1969!) when that hirsute Semitic look....the black curly hair, out of control sideburns, the Fu-Manchu style mustache, the hairy chest...was really in! And he did it with a sense of humor.%0D %0D Youngsters all take that look for granted now, but at the time, there was nothing like it in films...even though it could be found all over college campuses, particularly on both coasts.

by Anonymousreply 14510/16/2010

r145 said it better than I did.

by Anonymousreply 14610/16/2010

R145, Dustin Hoffman had the title "the first truly Jewish-looking young leading man in films" two years before Gould.

by Anonymousreply 14710/17/2010

Next season she's set to play Don Draper's real mother on Madmen

by Anonymousreply 14810/17/2010

I always thought the young Elliot Gould was sexy, esp. in "The Long Goodbye."

by Anonymousreply 14910/17/2010

I love how she spins that "she walked away from Hollywood"

didn't Hollywood walk away from her?

by Anonymousreply 15010/17/2010

R148, Ali McGraw is not suitable for Mad Men or anyhting of that era because of all the very noticeable plastic surgery.

by Anonymousreply 15110/17/2010

I just knew someone would correct me and say that Dustin Hoffman was "the first truly Jewish-looking young leading man in films" but I didn't include Dustin because his breakout role was playing a goy in The Graduate and then a skeezy Italian in Midnight Cowboy, whereas Elliott's roles, though not explicitly Jewish seemed to celebrate more frankly his genuine ethnicity.

by Anonymousreply 15210/18/2010

[quote]Goodbye Columbus was pretty good

{quote]But it's dated terribly, unlike many other better films of the era.

What the hell does that even mean? That term is ridiculous when it comes to film. Movies are visual time capsule of the era.

by Anonymousreply 15310/18/2010

It was better that Ali McGraw got out of the business when she did. She could not act worth a shit.

by Anonymousreply 15410/18/2010

R145 forgot Richard Benjamin:%0D %0D Goodbye Columbus (JEWISH in 1969), Catch 22, Diary of a Mad Housewife, Pornoy's Complaint, etc.%0D %0D Like Hoffman and Gould, Benjamin didn't have to actually play a character who WAS Jewish -- he was soooo obviously Jewish it didn't matter. Hoffman a goy? LOL.%0D %0D Btw, Gould became a star in 1970 with MASH, it wasn't 1969. Bob & Carol didn't make him a 'star' -- it opened at the NYC Film Fest in the fall of '69, but wasn't widely seen until 1970 -- the film played the big cities and went wide months later. That's how movies were released then, cookie.

by Anonymousreply 15510/18/2010

I think you guys are confusing Jewish actors who looked Jewish with Jewish actors who looked Jewish and a little nebbishy.%0D %0D Because there were a few Jewish leading men who looked Jewish before Benjamin, Gould and Hoffman. Paul Muni and John Garfield even sometimes played Jews. %0D %0D

by Anonymousreply 15610/18/2010

Oh please, John Garfield, Paul Muni and also Edward G Robinson and Kirk Douglas did not look Jewish to the general movie going public of the 1930s, 40s and 50s. It wasn't until Benjamin, Hoffman and Gould (and Streisand!!!) that characteristically Jewish-looking actors became real stars.%0D %0D And don't ask me what "charcteristically Jewish-looking actors" means. Not big noses because execept for Dustin and Streisand, none of them had big noses.%0D %0D And yes, I'm Jewish.

by Anonymousreply 15710/18/2010

Myra Breckinridge came out in 1970. of course the Oscars'd never go for it, but it would've been hilarious if Raquel Welch got a nom.%0D %0D Glenda Jackson had a stunning upset not once but twice, she did it again with A Touch of Class, which is even more surprising than her Women in Love win. why did they love Glenda so much? if her first Oscar was unexpected, the second was so startling the other nominees jaws dropped when they called her name: Burstyn and Woodward both looked flabbergasted.

by Anonymousreply 15810/19/2010

[quote]if her first Oscar was unexpected, the second was so startling the other nominees jaws dropped when they called her name: Burstyn and Woodward both looked flabbergasted.

An old rumor was that the race was so close only 5 votes separated Jackson from the 5th place finisher. Woodward won a few critics awards but her movie came and went rather quickly, The Exorcist was in the middle of a huge backlash and a number of older academy voters refused to even see the movie, Mason was the newcomer with a star making role and won the Golden Globe, Babs won a few years before and the film may have been too liberal, and the film itself got mixed reviews.

by Anonymousreply 15910/19/2010

Elliot Gould was the first gorgeous Jewish star? Are you fucking kidding? What was Bernie Schwartz, aka Tony Curtis if not fucking stunningly drop dead gorgeous, no one can touch how gorgeous Bernie was. RIP Tony Curtis.

by Anonymousreply 16010/19/2010

[quote]A Touch of Class

What a lame title for a movie.

by Anonymousreply 16110/19/2010

R159 - you're talking about the MOVIE, not the performance. The movie and the performance goes together to a point, but not in the early 70s when good women's roles were few and far between. A 'hit' doesn't make Barbra Streisand a better actress than Joanne Woordward. Not on planet Earth.

by Anonymousreply 16210/19/2010

[quote]but not in the early 70s when good women's roles were few and far between.

They say the same thing now. When exactly was it a good time to be an actress?

by Anonymousreply 16310/19/2010

Try reading comprehension R162, nowhere do I say Babs was a better actress then Joanne Woodward dear. Jackson's movie was considered fluff but she may have benefited from it getting a best picture nod (The Exorcist was the other movie that had a best picture and best actress nomination). A bigger crime that year was not one of the ladies from Cries and Whispers getting a acting nod.

by Anonymousreply 16410/19/2010

I've got a fantastic idea. I think they should do a sequel to Love Story- or shouldI say, a sequel to Oliver's Story. And here's the kicker: bring Jenny back in her original role. See, she didn't really die. She just pretended to because she couldn't bear to burden Oliver any longer. He was disinherited because of her, so she's been living on an island for the past 40 years, see. Oliver has been so-so happy with the second Mrs. Barrett. But when Jenny decides to show up, all hell breaks loose and the real drama begins. And I want the original players to comprise their roles. So what if they're all super long in the tooth? That will make it even more interesting!

by Anonymousreply 16510/20/2010

[quote]The best social program is a productive job for anyone who's willing to work.

The '30s & '40s.

Stanwyck, Davis, Crawford, Tierney, Arthur, etc etc etc. They had roles that will never be written for women again. Can't think of a single movie made in those eras when any of those actresses played a doormat.

by Anonymousreply 16610/20/2010

In "Sorry, Wrong Number" Stanwyck wasn't what you'd call a strong woman. Without giving away the ending to those who haven't seen this film ( where in the hell have you been, people?)I think you know wnat I mean,r166.

by Anonymousreply 16710/20/2010

Stanwyck would have kicked cancer's ass. Or at least shot the stupid preppie.

by Anonymousreply 16810/21/2010

Use of the word "frau" is rampant all over DL, and it is meant to abuse, belittle, objectify, mock, disempower, threaten, and demonize women.

Your contempt for women is killing queer teens.

by Anonymousreply 16912/13/2010

"she was exotic then because she was dark haired and dark eyed in a sea of light haired people and blue eyes but she was nothing great to look at if you compare her looks to today."

The late 60s and early 70s had several dark haired and dark eyed white actresses. Bujold, Chaplin, Banrcroft, Wood, Aimee, Minnelli, Audrey Hepburn to just scratch the surface,

by Anonymousreply 17009/28/2012

She got the Love Story role because she was fucking Robert Evans at the time and her only other role was "Getaway" and she got that one because she was fucking Steve McQueen. End of of the worst actresses evah!!

by Anonymousreply 17109/28/2012

she would have made a fine Emma in Terms of Endearment.

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