It deserves a thread all its own.
Let''s talk about "Knots Landing"
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 358||05/05/2017|
As long as nobody links that dire 'homage' on youtube. 9 minutes of sheer unoriginality.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 1||08/24/2010|
Joan and Michele really know how to ruin a sweet moment. Shrieking harpies.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 2||08/24/2010|
Ted Shackelford was rumored to possess a "third leg"
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 3||08/24/2010|
Michael Fairgate should have been gay.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 4||08/24/2010|
I would have licked the chests of Don Murray, Ted Shackleford, William Devane, Kevin Dobson, John Pleshette, Doug Sheehan, and introducing Alec Baldwin.%0D %0D I beat off a LOT to those chests.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 5||08/24/2010|
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 6||08/24/2010|
I got my Screen Actors Guild card doing a one liner in one of the latter seasons. I was opposite Michelle Phillips and William DeVane in the scene.%0D %0D DeVane ruled the roost - you could tell the crew was very much beholden to him. But he was very kind to me and made sure I knew where I needed to be for my line. The extras were horrific. All of them clamored to try and get my one line and shunned me for having it.%0D %0D Michelle Phillips was very beautiful and a little aloof but not unkind.%0D %0D I had fun wandering around the soundstage between takes - seeing the disassembled sets of the Mackenzie living room and Mack's office, etc. I had been a huge fan of the show.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 7||08/24/2010|
How sad that Julie Harris is most well known for that shit.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 8||08/24/2010|
I had an enormous crush on Ted Shackleford in the 80s. I was about 15.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 9||08/24/2010|
Met Michelle Lee at a benefit party and had a great 15 minutes talking Knots with her. She was funny and warm and much amused by my fandom.
When I told her I did her famous Pollyanna speech for college theatre auditions and got in to NYU with it she screamed with laughter and hugged me. She was great.
R5- you need to add Chip to the list of lickable chests. He was my 2nd choice after Alec Baldwin!
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 10||08/24/2010|
I thought that Hunt Block and Paul Carofotes had the best bodies. Both of them helped me through hard times in puberty.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 11||08/24/2010|
Donna Mills was probably every white man's fantasy the whole time she was on the show.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 12||08/24/2010|
Why just white men?%0D %0D What strange phrasing.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 13||08/24/2010|
I'm sure it's been discussed (and based on previous threads - I think she's on DL) - but once and for all - is Donna Mills a lesbian?
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 14||08/24/2010|
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 15||08/24/2010|
Donna used to hook up with Leslie Charleson when they were on Love is a Many Splendored Thing. It wasn't a regular thing, but Donna is no stranger to the gash.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 16||08/24/2010|
Dear God, R12, no. Just no. There's not a market segment on earth that likes Donna Mills.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 17||08/24/2010|
KNOTS LANDING - the best prime time soap ever. It was the best written and best acted. My God, even the kids were great actors.
Karen and Valene - best friendship ever Gary and Valene - one of the best love stories ever Abby - best, and in some ways, most realistic bitch ever Greg Sumner - one of the most complex and realistic villains ever
Alec Baldwin owes his career to KL
I love this show and watched every last originally broadcast episode.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 18||08/24/2010|
*ahem* R18. I died of fucking CANCER you know. An emotionally wrenching performance.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 19||08/24/2010|
[quote]Alec Baldwin owes his career to KL
You obviously forgot about a little show called "The Doctors".
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 20||08/24/2010|
Oh I remember THE DOCTORS r20 but let's get real here. Alec Baldwin owe Julie Harris' character Lillie Mae for talking him to death off that roof. ;-)
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 21||08/24/2010|
Oh please accept my humble apologies r19. Laura was my girl. She told it like it is, kept Greg in check unlike any other, and yes that includes hoochie in training Paige, and went off to die with class and dignity.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 22||08/24/2010|
Apology accepted, R18/R22. How can I not forgive someone with such exquisite taste in actresses?
You must hate Claudia Lonow, non?
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 23||08/24/2010|
Michele Lee was the best. Soulful, relatable, and convincing. Very all-American character in Karen Fairgate McKenzie - with strength, honesty, and integrity. A remarkable performance. %0D %0D %0D I'm sorry that "Knots Landing" didn't receive anywhere near the Emmy nominations for which it is worthy. Lee and Julie Harris were nominated for its third season, 1981-82, with Lee in best actress and Harris in supporting actress. (I bring that up, because the Emmys are on this coming Sunday night.)
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 24||08/24/2010|
I was late to the party, didn't start watching the show until around 1989. Still I became hooked and watched faithfully until the end. I still have so many fond memories of it. Loved Michelle Phillips, Michelle Lee, Joan, Ted and even Nicollete Sheridan was good in it. CBS only cancelled it due to finances, I think the show had another 5 years in it at least.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 25||08/24/2010|
Did Donna Mills tried to come on to Joan Van Ark? Michele Lee?
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 26||08/25/2010|
"I CAN'T WITHOUT WATER! I CAN'T!!!!!"
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 27||08/25/2010|
Whatever happened to Tonya Crowe?
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 28||08/25/2010|
I didn't watch the show except for the tail end of one season. I found it delightfully demented. That was about the time that Twin Peaks was on and i couldn't help but wonder whether the success of Twin Peaks had somehow provoked the creators of Knots Landing into taking it in the same crazy direction. Anyone have any thoughts on this?
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 29||08/25/2010|
To me, one of the most beautiful men who ever lived was James Houghton, who played Kenny in the early seasons. As I recall, he got his start playing David Hasselhoff's brother on Y&R.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 30||08/25/2010|
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 31||08/25/2010|
Old thread, but who cares?
Knots is always worth more discussion
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 32||07/06/2011|
Indeed it is. Let's pose this question. If the new Dallas reboot get greenlit what will that mean for Knots? Will Gary and Valene drop by for a visit? When they consider rebooting Knots if its a success?
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 33||07/06/2011|
Below is a post with the concept of a KL spin-off...
OK, count me in as a big fan of KL, but I think the show jumped the shark when they recast Linda as a blond who cheated on Eric and became a vilianess of some sort. I was glad when she turned up dead.
Of all the night time soaps, I think KL had the best chance for a spin-off with younger characters away from the cul-de-sac and their parents (except as guest stars).
Personally (and I know this sounds insane), I wish they had moved the show to Seattle or Portland where Olivia and Harold lived (Harold as private investigator), Laura's two sons could have been in town too (a real blast from the past) - at least one should have been a cop. Karen's son Michael could live there too, working in the software industry. Of course you need a place for them to meet and hang out and fight and plot and such, so that's why Cathy lives in town too, owning a bar/restaurant (the return of Lisa Hartman!).
It would have run for many seasons, with an occasional visits from Abbey (she never liked Harold), Valene (she and Olivia were close), Mac (he and Michael were friendly), etc...
There were enough secondary characters to take the show somewhere else and fold in at least some of the parents.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 34||07/06/2011|
I missed it in its original run but fell in love with it in syndication. It was really well written, especially next to the other night time soaps of the era. The actresses were uniformly excellent, they had compelling storylines and I wanted to be fucked by almost every man on that show.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 35||07/06/2011|
Tonya Crowe is married and lives in LA
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 36||07/06/2011|
Donna Mills is to Tonya Crowe, as Martina Navratilova is to Gabriela Sabatini.
The password is...
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 37||07/06/2011|
Nicolette Sheridan ruined the show.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 38||07/06/2011|
[italic]Knots Landing[/italic] is the greatest series in the history of American television!
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 39||07/06/2011|
Speaking of Sabatini, how about Michael Sabatini? Really hot guy in a long list of hot men on KL.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 40||07/06/2011|
They added some dark humor to Laura's 'death' by having her body not show up; Greg got a letter from the funeral home or the hospice where she died apologizing for it, saying it would never happen again. (as if.)%0D %0D I thought they were leaving a door open to bring her back.%0D %0D The show was never the same after Laura left; despite the popularity of strip coquet (sp?) with Greg and Paige, that was a ridiculous relationship; he was old enough to be her father and she looked bored throughout it all; even more bored than he did.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 41||07/06/2011|
[quote]The show was never the same after Laura left;
You know it, bitches!
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 42||07/06/2011|
I lreally like the Laura/Greg relationship because Laura wouldn't take shit from him (or anyone else). And that chemistry between the two actors was special and missed after Laura was out. But let's not forget that Laura otherwise was a bore. Her storylines before Greg were horrible cliche stuff that was later woven into standard Lifetime movies. And even during the Laura/Greg relationship, that character never had its own major storyline. That's why she was probably deemed dispensible. MacCashin just didn't add more to the show than being the perfect sparring partner for Greg Sumner. %0D %0D
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 43||07/06/2011|
R43, there was the time Richard accused me of having a lesbian relationship with Ciji. That wasn't boring! And that Lisa Hartman could muff-dive like she was in the LPGA!
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 44||07/06/2011|
Karen uttered one of the all-time great soap lines in her "Pollyanna" speech-"I don't want to see the world through rose-colored glasses, I want the world to BE rose-colored!"
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 45||07/06/2011|
R32, who wouldn't have taken advantage of Gabriela Sabatini??? Bet she got hit in the lockers by EVERY lezzie/bi tennis player, assitant,etc back then.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 46||07/19/2011|
Is there any chance it could get a relaunch now it's sister show is back?
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 47||06/16/2012|
Connie, can I interest you in a 1-pound bag of fun-size Twix and a 2-liter Mello Yello?
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 48||06/16/2012|
Back in the day when you didn't have internet spoilers, I remember being blown away by the end of this episode!
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 49||06/18/2012|
Great clip [R49], That was the year "Knots Landing" really became a great show. I hope they start releasing DVDs again. I am a huge "Knots" fan and I haven't bought any yet because the shows after "Sid's death" got out of the way and "Abby" became a major vixen made up the "Knots Landing" I want to see again.
I wonder why they got rid of Kim Lankford and James Houghton, they were so attractive, good actor and were unique in that their age difference with the other couples was significant.
Like all soaps, I suppose, "Knots Landing" fired as many good actors as they hired. I was so in love with Michael Sabatino and his georgeous eyes, although his death was a key part in the greatest primetime soap story ever told, the intricately plotted "Wolfbridge" mystery that lead to the best cliffhanger of all time, "Negotiations."
So many great memories. Now that I've seen TNT's fantastic take on "Dallas", I honk I would like to see a "Knots Landing" relaunch, as long as "Abby", "Karen", "Val" and "Gary" were included and given prominent roles. I wonder if Patrick Peterson is still as georgeous as he was on the show.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 50||06/19/2012|
WEHT to Hunt Block? I jerked off to him more than a couple of times.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 51||06/19/2012|
What's the story with Donna Mills? She must have a significant girlfriend or two over the years, but you never hear gossip on her partners.
I preferred the earlier, quieter years of Knots when it was about the neighborhood. It was all right in later years, but it became like any other nighttime soap opera with the powerful business men and women, instead of just about the friends in the cul-de-sac.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 52||11/18/2012|
Shackleford (who's been trapped on Y and R for awhile) and Van Ark are going to pay a visit to the Dallas reboot.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 53||11/18/2012|
I thought Falcon Crest was better.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 54||11/18/2012|
Ted's still a good looking man, but Joan Van Ark is a horror show of plastic surgery and whatever else she does to freeze her face in place.
Keep her off the Dallas re-boot.
If Gary needs to visit Southfork, fine, make it an appearance, have him leave.
BUT, wouldn't it be more interesting and a good link between KL and Dallas if Bobby and Betsy, Gary and Val's children, made their way to Dallas?
Nice generational crossover.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 55||11/19/2012|
Let's talk about Ted's third leg? Length and girth, please.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 56||11/19/2012|
Okay, I'm missing something but why are Constance McCashin's bad eating habits funny?
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 57||11/19/2012|
Ciji and Laura had a lesbian relationship
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 58||11/19/2012|
No, Let's talk about my eye make-up!
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 59||11/19/2012|
What is the deal with Ted?
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 60||11/19/2012|
I wonder if Ted gifted gorgeous twink Patrick Peterson with his "third leg" when the kid turned 18?
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 61||11/19/2012|
I loved that show - especially James Houghton in the early episodes and, later, Alec Baldwin. Umph.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 62||11/19/2012|
Donna Mills was way ahead of her time. Her performance as Abby is so contemporary.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 63||09/18/2013|
All the Knots Landing season finales in one clip. If you'll notice, I was in more than anyone else, including that McCushion creature.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 64||10/06/2013|
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 65||06/19/2014|
Joan Van Ark's 71st birthday was yesterday.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 66||06/19/2014|
never heard of this show or people except baldwin and I knew Julie Harris had been a Broadway star, from listening to my gay older brother ramble
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 67||06/19/2014|
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 68||11/09/2014|
Home & Family had a reunion with the Knots Landing cast today!!
They even recreated the theme song!
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 69||12/11/2014|
I really wish a distributor like ShoutFactory would by the rights.
I'm dying to re-watch Season Three, when Julie Harris joined the cast as a regular.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 70||12/11/2014|
I ran into Pat Peterson, the hottie youngest son, about twelve years ago at the Samuel French bookstore in Hollywood . He could not have been sweeter, said hello and held the door for me (I'm a male, and had never seen him before).
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 71||12/11/2014|
The early seasons were the best and the shows peak was season 4-7
It fell hard in Season 8, especially with that TERRIBLE Jean Hackney storyline, the only good thing to come out of that SL was when Ben put Lillimae in a chokhold
Got better with seasons 9 and 10
Started to decline when Donna Mills left and the show became the insufferable Great and Paine show those last 4 seasons.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 72||12/17/2014|
Michele Lee had one of the worst nose jobs in Hollywood, and Joan Van Ark was right behind her.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 73||12/17/2014|
Alec Baldwin's butt was incredible when he was on KL.
One of my fave episodes was "Poor Val", when lunatic Jill held Val hostage in her own home.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 74||12/17/2014|
The show was almost like an Eight is Enough type of show during its first 3 or 4 seasons
Not the glam nighttime soap that it became in the mid 80s
Those early 80s ep's still had a 70s family feel to them as well
I also loved the Ginger character, not only was she the most gorgeous cast member, but she was far and away the best actress as well!
She had class
They should of never fired her
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 75||12/17/2014|
I remember being about 13 and there was a Knots Landing "bulletin board" on Prodigy. We'd just started using online services and I'd go on there and yack with a combination of nice older ladies and gay men. This was in the last season or so of the show's run, most of it I caught on TNT from 1994-95. Alas, my tapes are fading along with my youth.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 76||12/17/2014|
She got better with time and Kenny was dead weight, he pulled the Ginger character down in all of this cliches. Ginger had that cold bitch of a mother and a sort of gothic paperback backstory never fully developed and those creepy sisters of hers who both existed solely to get Eric Fairgate in trouble. She also seemed strangely wise to Abby and didn't seem very scared or intimidated by her. And I liked crazed jealous "I wanna sang" Ginger from Season 4!
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 77||12/17/2014|
I loved how they gave the theme song a different "vibe" from season to season. Slowing it down to a jazz ballad feel, to the uptempo surge of the original.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 78||12/17/2014|
I loved the sliding boxes style they used. Many a time I imagined myself appearing in the main credits, ha ha ha.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 79||12/17/2014|
The gratuitous colored family was a real show killer whenever they were on.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 80||12/17/2014|
Jill Bennett should have been black. And played by Jackee with her 227 Sandra voice.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 81||12/17/2014|
Swallow the pills Marrryyyyy
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 82||12/17/2014|
Get AIDS and DIE R81.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 83||12/17/2014|
Very good, R82!
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 84||12/17/2014|
R83, Larry Riley already did that.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 85||12/17/2014|
Who was the hot guy in the rain when Paige was standing there looking between him and Sumner?
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 86||12/17/2014|
[quote]They should of never fired her
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 87||12/17/2014|
Swallow the pills Marrry Lestahismine.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 88||12/17/2014|
The kids were great actors? Only if you have selective amnesia regarding the wretchedness of Claudia Lonow.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 89||12/17/2014|
Contrary to popular belief, the later seasons were really bad and boring as well
I hated that damn, jazzy Kenny G sax bullshit they used to score the show with
The last good season was season 10 aka. Abby'S last season
I LOVE the first 7 seasons of the show though, but as soon as Latham and Lechowick became show runners in Season 8 and slowly turned it into the Paine Matheson show and began slowly writing out Laura Avery the show began to loose it's "Knots" identity
And what the he'll was up with that gauzy, pastel cinematography and look that Knots had the last 7 years?
Look at the earlier years and then the latter and you'll know what I'm talking about
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 90||12/30/2014|
R90, you're smart and make great points. I agree with all of them.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 91||12/30/2014|
I came late to Knots and always really loved Michelle Phillips as Anne, scheming mother of Nicolette Sheridan's Paige.
The time she tried to seduce Mack while playing (her own Mamas & Papas song) "Dedicated to the One I Love" on the record player was some damn good television.
It only would have been better if she had ripped a Michele Lee record off the turntable first.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 92||12/31/2014|
The Anne character could have also carried Knots a few more years if they'd gotten her into another orbit. Once she was married to Greg, it felt like a dead end. I would have rather seen Val and Greg have an affair on Gary and Paige.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 93||01/01/2015|
[quote]and began slowly writing out Laura Avery the show began to loose it's "Knots" identity
Come sit by me, R90. We can dish.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 94||01/01/2015|
Donna Mills eye make-up was to die for! Oh, and Ted Shackleford was soooooo yummy! I recall one episode where he was lifting weights; I nearly fainted.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 95||01/01/2015|
I LOVE talking about Knots! My fave scene from the show.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 96||01/01/2015|
I never liked the Paige character, NS just came across as too cold and remote in that role to be the so called new heroine of the show.
Too much time of the shows later years revolved around the Greg and Paige mess
Greg had GREAT chemistry with Laura and even Abby however
And did anyone else think that James Houghton (Kenny) was the hottest guy on the show?
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 97||01/02/2015|
Joan Van Ark looking totally unrecognizable in senior photo from 1961.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 98||01/04/2015|
Michele Lee in her senior photo from 1960. She is somewhat recognizable.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 99||01/04/2015|
WHET Pat Petersen (Michael Fairgate)? That boy pinged to high heaven! Did anyone really buy him going after Paige? Too bad TPTB didn't have the guts to make Michael gay.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 100||01/04/2015|
SHUT UP with these threads about old shit that hasn't been on the air for 30 years! Goddamn you are one annoying queen.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 101||01/05/2015|
Donna Mills, Joan Van Ark and Michelle Lee all had Broadway. That training really shows on screen on Knots
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 102||01/05/2015|
Sheridan ruined the show. It became all about her and that lover of her's that was old enough to be her grandfather.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 103||01/05/2015|
R101 is Claudia Lonow's blood-soaked tampon.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 104||01/05/2015|
I'm still waiting for KL Season 3. Don't you hear me, Shout Factory !?!
Just listen, Shout Factory:
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 105||01/05/2015|
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 106||01/05/2015|
I heard somewhere that the actor who played Karen and Sid 's oldest son Eric died in real life, while still on the show
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 107||01/07/2015|
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 108||01/07/2015|
Connie McCashin found time to put down the ho ho's and oreo's last week to go have dinner with Bill Devane.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 109||02/16/2015|
I'd watch a show about cranky elderly Greg and Laura, reunited through some ridiculous contrivance involving Gary, Val, and Karen (I'm not paying Kevin Dobson, Mack's dead) on an island. We can get an Ava Gardner look-alike or Kathleen Noone in there. It'll be great.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 110||02/16/2015|
R105, Season 3 was so damn good. I only suffer through the first two seasons to get to the affair drama in 3 and everything after but by that time, the episodes have been taken off YouTube and I don't want to dig out my VHS tapes from TNT in the 90s.
Season 3 was weird, though. Dark and sort of suburban noiry. Val is kind of sinister in her own way all season, too. She's shady. Ann Marcus was head writing that year and she really got away from the cheesiness of the first two seasons (although I liked Season 1, Season 2 was too "made for TV"). Season 3 aims higher and usually succeeds. There were some bad episodes in that lot, though. Loved Abby trying to get old Lew Ayres' money in "Silver Shadows." Yes, sadly, I know the episode titles.
Did you ever see "The Three Sisters" ghost house episode? That was an oddity.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 111||02/16/2015|
I remember reading R10's story when it was first posted back in 2010. For some reason it always stayed with me. When I saw this thread had been bumped, it was the first thing I thought of.
God, I love Michelle Lee and her Pollyanna speech.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 112||02/16/2015|
Loved that show. It was my favorite nighttime soap by far.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 113||02/16/2015|
I wish they'd kept the short-lived Pam Grier/Herb Edelmen cop duo from season 12. The two had great chemistry. I remember reading years back that the producers wanted to make Grier a regular, but she wanted more money than they wanted to offer.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 114||02/16/2015|
There was supposedly a very dishy tv guide interview with the actors when the show was ending. I don't remember all the details because I wasn't born until 1989. But I did hear about it. I can't remember the details but I know it was dishy. This was a pretty good old show from the little Iv'e seen of it.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 115||02/16/2015|
Sadly, R115, I was 14 when that TV Guide issue came out and I was right there to buy it and the interview was, indeed, dishy and unexpectedly so. I still have it somewhere.
Here's some of what I remember 20+ years later:
Bill Devane says something like "Joan's not neurotic, she's an actress" in defense of her process.
One of the women writers from the show's past said that the camera loves a craggy older male face but how harsh it was for the lead actresses and the pressure on them to look young as the show aged.
Nicolette Sheridan was... Nicolette Sheridan.
There's something muttered about "the bimbettes" added to the cast.
JVA basically said that when Donna Mills was cast in 1980, she was taken aback to hear about another blonde and asked if there were any brunettes left. It was a good article. I have an old soap gossip book that had some really dishy stuff in it, pertaining to Michele Lee's contract renewal in 1986. It explained much.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 116||02/16/2015|
Ted really turned me on as a kid. I wanted to suck his toes.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 117||02/16/2015|
I loved that whole Laura and Ciji lesbo-flirt back in the third season. That was really scandalous for TV back then.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 118||02/16/2015|
Fun fact: producers wanted David Ackroyd back to play Gary for the spin-off, but Ackroyd wasn't interested. Among those who auditioned for Gary before it went to Ted Shackelford were David Selby and Michael Nader, both of whom later became famous in their own right on prime time soaps.
For those who don't know, Donna Mills has had a recurring role on the daytime soap opera General Hospital. Rumours are Michele Lee is being considered for another role.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 119||02/16/2015|
Michele Lee as Pat, I'm hoping.
I would die.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 120||02/16/2015|
I'm glad to know that I wasn't the only guy who fantasizes about young blond twink Patrick Peterson. He was really hot.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 121||02/17/2015|
I loved the scenes when Gary Ewing was barefoot. There is one in particular when he is in bed with Cathy Geary and you see his soles rubbing against her feet. Lisa Hartman has an admitted foot fetish and loved Ted's feet and also loved Alec Baldwin's feet too. I remember being 12 years old and taping Gary's feet in bed with Cathy, seeing his soles all wrinkled and sexy long toes and jerking off and cumming for the first time. Ahh the great childhood memories.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 122||03/13/2015|
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 123||03/13/2015|
I remember Patrick Petersen running around in some very short shorts around 1982-84. I was a young'n and remember noticing.
The university library has a film studies-type book on Knots Landing. I checked it out last week and it's quite good. On the way out of the library, I opened the book to a random page and saw screenshots of a murderous bewigged Jill Bennett and silently screamed with delight.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 124||10/02/2015|
R97- James really was the hottest actor. I still don't get why they got rid of James and Kim. They also should have kept Bruce Greenwood.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 125||10/02/2015|
U all do know that Patty Duke was originally considered for the Laura role.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 126||10/02/2015|
They wanted Lucille Ball to play Abby, playing against her sweetheart image, but Gary Morton talked her out of it.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 127||10/03/2015|
I finally bought some VHS-to-DVD conversion software, allowing me to take my tapes from the 1994-95 TNT airing of Knots and get the unreleased seasons before the tapes go completely (they are in pretty bad shape as it is).
Watching it again after twenty years, this was a damn fine show. You really see it all click in the episode where Ciji is murdered. It really hits its stride.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 128||04/15/2016|
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 129||04/15/2016|
Agree R128. I remember as a kid I would stay at my Grandparents when my parents were both working nights, and they always worked the night Knots was on (Thursday?). They'd let me stay up late, but I'd have to watch what they were watching - Knots Landing - so I kind of knew what was happening on Knots. But the night Ciji washed up on shore I was hooked.
It was good after that too, but in my opinion that one scene was the pinnacle of Knots, and it never quite reached that height again. But it was fun watching them try.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 130||04/15/2016|
Oh, r122, will you marry me? We can have sex thinking about Gary Ewing's feet!
Loved those scenes where he was just lounging around the house with his feet up ... Abby came home from work and he was just lying around looking hot, bothered and stupid. My kind of guy. There was another scene where Lillimae burst into Gary and Abby's bedroom on the ranch while they were making love and his big sexy feet were sprawled over the bed with the satin sheet barely covering his lean muscular body.
I have to see that Gary-Cathy scene!
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 131||04/20/2016|
This is from a 1978 episode of Wonder Woman !!!!
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 132||04/20/2016|
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 133||04/20/2016|
I love how Gary just walks into Abby's house all sexed up and barefoot:
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 134||04/20/2016|
Rumor has always been Ted likes the dick.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 135||04/20/2016|
If I am remembering correctly, I read in a gossip mag years and years ago (in the early 80s) that Ted said he and his wife at the time liked to walk around their house naked all the time.
Did he leave his wife for his co-star at the time, Teri Austin?
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 136||04/21/2016|
If I recall correctly, Ted and his first wife were already split and Ted and Teri started hanging out because everyone else was married. That was the "official" version, I'm guessing.
I love JVA, but Ted always seemed so much more relaxed and natural with Donna.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 137||04/21/2016|
Not to mention Ted and Donna just oozed sexuality in a scene together - they were stunningly beautiful together.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 138||04/21/2016|
Van Ark and Shackelford would have co-starred once again after Knots Landing - but didn't. She joined the cast of The Young & The Restless in 2004 to create the role of Michael Baldwin's mother Gloria, but left in 2005, being replaced by soap opera vet Judith Chapman. Soon after Chapman came aboard, Shackelford joined Y&R in 2006 and his character ended up being paired with Gloria. He's still on the soap to this day (and still paired with Chapman).
Other Knots stars tried their hand at daytime soap operas in the last decade. Donna Mills had a recurring role on General Hospital last year, and Kevin Dobson was ill-matched in his forgettable run as lawyer Mickey Horton on Days Of Our Lives, lasting for a few months before being written out with no explanation to his character's disappearance. Mickey was later killed off onscreen. Dobson had recurring roles on both B&B and One Life to Live.
I find it interesting how many Lorimar people did end up on daytime soap operas after their primetime glory. Linda Gray, Patrick Duffy and Lorenzo Lamas had long-running roles on Bold and the Beautiful, and Hunt Block made a name for himself on Guiding Light and As The World Turns post-KNOTS, but Aaron Spelling Hall of Famer Joan Collins apparently couldn't hack the fast pace of daytime and cut short her intended six month engagement as Alexandra on Guiding Light just after three months.
Her onscreen daughter Emma Samms returned to GH post-DYNASTY for a few guest appearances, but never found her way back to daytime permanently. Gordon Thomson did have a long successful run as Mason on Santa Barbara after DYNASTY ended, as did Michael Nader on All My Children as Dimitri.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 139||04/21/2016|
Loved this show. It got me through my teen years in the 1980s. Every Thurs night I could escape to the cul-de-sac and leave my worries behind. My brother was given strict instructions that if anyone called me, he was to say I was not available. My friends caught on and would say, "OK, just have him call me back when Knots is over."
I loved Gary and Val. When they broke them up, I longed to see them back together. The writers would tease and have them circle each other, only to have some twist of fate keep them apart. I remember a great scene when Gary was dating Jill (before she went totally crazy and tried to kill Val). I think Jill and Gary had just gotten engaged. Jill is talking to Abby and Abby says something like: "Let the second Mrs. Ewing give the soon-to-be third Mrs. Ewing a piece of advice. The first Mrs. Ewing never goes away." Ha! Loved that line.
I always thought Donna Mills played her relationship with Gary as if she knew deep down, Val was who Gary really loved. It was interesting to me that after Gary and Abby divorced, they never really had them come back together, whereas Gary and Val were forever finding reasons to be around each other even when divorced.
The show stayed good for such a long time. I started out watching Dallas and jumped on board with Knots when it was spun off from Dallas. After a couple years, Knots became more of my favorite and that lasted for years. Dallas was pretty good up until Bobby died then came back with the Dream Season excuse, which kind of forever killed Dallas for me. Knots basically divorced itself from Dallas after that because they had dealt with Bobby's death, so the shows never crossed over again. Knots continued to stay strong and the new characters it introduced (Paige, Nick, Tom, etc.) were fresh and helped the show whereas other nighttime soaps failed miserably at trying the same thing.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 140||04/21/2016|
Gary and Abby were spectacular together, but it was sex. Sex, sex, sex. Val and Gary had a bond that went beyond the mere physical. Abby was his Whore, Val was his Virgin.
That said, I never enjoyed Gary and Val together again after they divorced. It was better to have them apart until the end of the show, when a reconciliation was just a fitting closure.
It is too bad DALLAS screwed up the timeline with their ridiculous self-destructive Dream Season. It didn't make sense that Gary and Val cut off all ties to Lucy and the rest of the Ewings. And it would have been great to see Barbara Bel Geddes and Julie Harris in some scenes together.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 141||04/21/2016|
For r140 ...
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 142||04/21/2016|
Awesome, R142! Many thanks!
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 143||04/21/2016|
As a poster mentioned above - Alec Baldwin was in his PRIME during his tenure on Knots. It is really hard to imagine today (and most Millennials would never have a clue), but Alec used to be one of the sexiest men on the planet. And he definitely used to possess an ass that only a young Paul Mercurio could rival. I wanted to bend him over so bad back in his heyday. He was so hot that he took your breath away when he showed up on the screen. "Beetlejuice" was probably his last performance where he looked really good - and he wasn't even close to the Adonis that he was in Knots.. Ted Shackelford was almost as hot. I have heard many, many stories from many men a few years my senior that he was no stranger to gay clubs in WEHO and no stranger to cock in his ass.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 144||04/21/2016|
I love the moment Joshua pushes Laura to the ground ... it's all very badly edited. McCashin is very bad in this scene.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 145||04/21/2016|
Joshua threatens his sister Valene:
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 146||04/21/2016|
This is what made Knots Landing so very different from the camp of DYNASTY:
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 147||04/21/2016|
I found a few entire episodes from season 1 under the German title "Unter der Sonne Kaliforniens" ... this is Julie Harris' first episode ... Lillimae was initially quite creepy ...
(it's still in English, only subtitled)
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 148||04/21/2016|
Here's the full episode of Lucy's one and only visit to Knots Landing:
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 149||04/21/2016|
This is the infamous "Laura's rape" episode (with its brilliant - but very strange - ending ):
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 150||04/21/2016|
This is J.R.'s first visit to Knots Landing .. unfortunately it is in German dub ... but I never knew J.R. tried to seduce Karen?
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 151||04/21/2016|
Val slaps Abby! (Knots Landing season 3 scene)
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 152||04/21/2016|
Over the years here at DL, in Knots Landing threads, I've posted this and I still believe it... of all the night-time soaps, this was the show that could easily have a spin-off. Karen's children were adults, so were Laura's and Abby's. Personally, I would have moved the show up to Seattle or Portland where Michael moves to work in the computer/software industry. There he re-connects with his first-cousin Olivia and her husband Harold - I envisioned Harold as a private investigator. Laura's children from her marriage to Richard - two sons, Jason and Daniel are also in Seattle - why not? It's a spin-off and you've got create reasons for Karen, Abby, Valene, Richard and others to visit. All of those second generation characters can start their own storylines. Finally, I'd have the 'children' from KL hang out, get re-acquainted, etc at the bar/music venue run by Cathy Geary (nee Ciji) where Ben plays piano every once in a while.
I think it would have worked - in a previous century.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 153||04/21/2016|
It is stupid that they never explained whatever happened to Ben Gibson. He just disappeared.
Whatever happened to Doug Sheehan, btw? He was adorable in a hangdog way.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 154||04/21/2016|
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 155||04/21/2016|
"You have become a MUNSTAH!"
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 156||04/21/2016|
The one thing that set Abby apart from your typical soap bitch was that she was inherently a class act person with very strong principles. She may have done reprehensible things in the name of securing power, but she was, at heart, a woman with a heart. And she worked for her power. Alexis inherited billions after sleeping with an oil giant and then played Joan Crawford ... Abby would have found her ridiculous.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 157||04/21/2016|
I hate it when assholes like r157 try to turn it into a competition between shows. If any one of those shows was good enough for you to watch then the different takes on the satisfying moments should be endless.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 158||04/21/2016|
And I hate when assholes like R158 try to censor, control and terminate otherwise interesting discussions.
Begone, school mark.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 159||04/21/2016|
Really? How did I try to censor anything? I expressed an opinion. I did nothing more to censor you than you have to me. Get over yourself. You're a troublemaker who feeds off dissent.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 160||04/21/2016|
I personally loved Donna Mills way more than I loved Joan Collins. She was far sexier and more complex. Yes, her "eyes" video was laughable for sure - but she made that character one of the all time greatest and without Abby, the show would have plummeted like Black Tuesday. She really made Knots in my estimation. That said, both were excellent actors and both played wonderful characters. How could you dislike either? 1980's power bitches - the two created and then inhabited the genre. Annoying Victoria Principal, Linda Gray and Linda Evans were all lovely to looks at but paled in comparison.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 161||04/21/2016|
That wasn't my intention, r159 ... you have some issues. I was trying to make a point to the depth of Abby as compared to more cartoonish villains (and J.R. is included in that ... he went from a complex insecure bully to just heights of grinning campiness). I liked DYNASTY on its own merits. But I liked how KNOTS writers/producers/actors kept their characters on a more even keel regardless of the melodrama they were plunged into.
Before you attack someone, think if it really is necessary.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 162||04/21/2016|
I've seen your other posts r162.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 163||04/21/2016|
KNOTS wouldn't have been the show it was without Donna Mills - she was the last missing link to a struggling show. The quartet of the Ewings and Fairgates/MacKenzies were the staples, but she set them all in motion. That was very clear with the very last scene of the series, when Gary and Val and Karen and Mack were back on the cul-de-sac ready to spend eternity in suburban giddiness ... then Abby drove back in to announce she was moving back into her old house. It was the shot of adrenalin the concluding scene needed, symbolic of the indispensable contribution the character and actress made to the show over the years.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 164||04/21/2016|
I don't know what that means, r163.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 165||04/21/2016|
R164 - I couldn't have said it better! Beautiful explanation.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 166||04/21/2016|
Needs to be on Netflix or something.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 167||04/21/2016|
R167 - couldn't agree more - what happened to Soapnet? That was the first place that I saw it in syndication and became addicted. This was 2000 or so. The ability to watch every episode back-to-back was amazing for someone who had always heard about it but never seen it in the first place (I was way too young when it was on prime time). I have to say that the first two seasons were a bit painful to get through - maybe the last two also. Abby made the show no doubt (hence liking her seasons best), but like many of these prime time soaps = they really struggled toward the end. How Knots ever was picked up after season 1 I will never know. But by season 4 it was addictive.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 168||04/21/2016|
It wasn't my era so to speak - but Donna had the looks that would have driven the men wild. She pretty much is the living form of what all men find HOT - perfect body, face, hair, eyes, tits, etc. Am I right?
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 169||04/21/2016|
I'm converting old VHS tapes from 1994-95 (when KL ran on TNT) and holy shit, this show is even better than I remembered. Up to Season 5 and despite having seen it all before, I look forward to each episode. Gary just slept with Val and then married Abby. God, I love it.
I was raised by a singly, blond, beautiful mother who wore tons of eye makeup. Abby was a heroine at our house but we loved Val, too.
Thank you for the "Ted S. cruising for dick" stories. You made my millennium. Love all the stories on here.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 170||04/21/2016|
So many articles in TV Guide and US magazine were written by women who couldn't contain their lust for Alec Baldwin. It was similar to Brad Pitt in "Thelma and Louise."
He and Lisa Hartman were the hottest couple on TV for awhile.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 171||04/21/2016|
Single, not singly.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 172||04/21/2016|
R171 - Alec's booty was massive and gravity-defying. His muscled frame was lean and solid, his eyes stunning and he was so handsomely gorgeous. Had he died a tragic death during the "Knots" era (God forbid of course), he would have become an 80's iconic James Dean. He was that hot. Of course - now that we have lived with huge, beached-whale, funny guy Alec Baldwin for many decades.. The sex symbols always die young for a reason. Just ask Marilyn and Dean. James Dean wouldn't be James Dean if we had to see him now - bald, huge gut, bad wrinkled skin and liver spots..
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 173||04/21/2016|
That Lisa Hartman could sing a fucking song.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 174||04/21/2016|
Sorry if I missed this, but why did Lucy only show up once in the whole history of KNOTS? It was like she didn't even exist.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 175||04/21/2016|
R175 = I don't get the feeling that the Knots production wanted all that much to do with Dallas after their own show launched and gained momentum. Charlene Tilton was on a hit show already and in the very early 1980s - her's was a much bigger show than Knots (later, the opposite was true when it came to ratings and advertising). I can't see why she would want to jump ship and due to their incestuous link - the Knots producers could not cast a "different" Lucy and act like Dallas the show didn't exist. Val had already appeared on Dallas many times too. The viewers were fickle then - think of all the cast changes that killed Dynasty. I think that it was too hard to bridge the gap on this character. But you are completely correct that it was really weird how after a period of time they acted like Lucy never even existed...
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 176||04/21/2016|
R175, it's a good question. Over the years, I heard a few different things, including that it would have made Val look "old" with Lucy around. But the show had taken care of that by making Val 15 when Lucy was born, so it wouldn't have been an issue. I know David Jacobs said that her presence there just didn't work and was out of scale.
In the 1983 season premiere, Val admits that she and Lucy haven't talked in 7-8 months. This makes me wonder if, somewhere offscreen, Lucy cut off contact with Valene during the divorce, possibly after her "BOOZE AND WOMEN MADE MY LIFE HELL" stolen diary chapters were published, leading to Gary going off the wagon. For some reason, I always thought that Lucy blamed Val for the split somehow and they were estranged until much later. All fanwank but it does explain some of the distance.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 177||04/21/2016|
Ted Shackelford was rumored to possess a "third leg"
Wouldn't surprise me....Ted has BDF for days!
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 178||04/21/2016|
Very few blond men fuel fantasies for me....Ted is definitely one of them.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 179||04/21/2016|
Ted was so delicious!!
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 180||04/21/2016|
Watching an old episode on tape. Gary bounces from Abby to Val and then back to Abby and marries her in the space of one episode. And the added touch of Val calling Gary and finding out from Olivia that Gary had married Abby.
Seeing this on a Thursday night makes me miss my mom, so she and I are planning to rewatch most of the show when she comes over to visit. As a kid, many of my parent's fights would end with my mother declaring "fine, I'll just go in the other room and watch Knots Landing with the kids" (we'd tape it and watch it on Fridays back then). And the Jill Bennett tries to kill Val story was a big deal at our house and my brother still remembers Jill Bennett sneaking into Val's house. That was a very suspenseful episode.
For me, I'm fine with bailing on the show once Jill's murder is solved. The last four years were fine, it just felt like a different show and it was on its own terms. 1989-92/93 Valene was not my Valene. Something sharp changes in that characterization in 1987. Once Ben leaves and she gets that awful hair and starts playing games with Gary, it's just not the same Val. Maybe it's the accent finally being gone. Despite this, I still consider Val one of the most entertaining characters in television melodrama.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 181||04/21/2016|
It is hard not to like Val (or Joan for that matter). I used to see her often at my local Ralphs, Trader Joes, Gelsons, etc. She is tiny and looks beautiful for her age. Lots of cosmetic surgery - but beautiful nonetheless. I assume that she lives in or near Studio City because I saw her quite a bit.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 182||04/21/2016|
I adore JVA, thank you for saying that she's "beautiful nonetheless." People make so much of the surgery, but there is an essential beauty about Joan, always was. Something "in the bones." It made me very happy to hear that.
If I rebooted the show for 2016, I'd have Val divorced from Gary (they split them up on the TNT Dallas revival!) and Karen widowed by Mack. Make them the wise old women to the new generation of neighbors. Knots could be rebooted very, very easily. Christ, they could hire Claudia Lonow to write it.
If CBS put a rebooted Knots back on Thursdays, they'd have a staple hit that could run another 6-7 years. Pair a slow burn love triangle with a mystery and avoid the arch camp crap that made Desperate Housewives so far from KL in terms of genre, I just never understood the comparisons.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 183||04/21/2016|
[quote]Personally, I would have moved the show up to Seattle or Portland where Michael moves to work in the computer/software industry.
Ugh! What a terrible idea. Sunny Southern California was as much a character in KL as any actor.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 184||04/21/2016|
Nobody has mentioned this. But I loved the episode where Greg Sumner's daughter, now played by Stacy Galina, comes back and is murdered at the end. It's made to look like it was an assassination attempt on Greg, but we later learn she was the intended victim all along. I thought it was a great stand-alone episode. And obviously, Galina was so impressive they created the "niece" character for her to come back.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 185||04/21/2016|
R185, I remember that storyline and man did I hate it. Yes, it was nice that the brought Galina back, but she arrived with her mother (damn, the actress's name escapes me - she had been on All My Children) and man did I hate Greg's sister! Not hate in a good way, just didn't care for her at all... it wasn't the actress it was just that for me, it seemed like the writers were trying too hard to create an Abbey replacement.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 186||04/22/2016|
R179, I'm the same as you in that blond men rarely interest me. But damn did I have a crush on Ted! I loved how the producers had him with his shirt off half the time.
R175-177, I remember in the early seasons Lucy coming to visit and it not going well. You got the sense that Lucy's home was indeed Southfork in Dallas where she had been raised by her grandparents, aunts and uncles. Plus Gary and Val were newly married. I think throwing Lucy in the mix would have messed with the marriage. In any event, I remember thinking that the character of Lucy was just never going to fit in Knots and it was almost as if the episode was trying to convey that.
I seem to remember when Charlene Tilton left Dallas, she tried to get the producers of Knots to hire her, but they had so many great storylines at the time and Tilton just would not have fit in to any of them. Plus Tilton is just not that great an actress. She got very lucky with her Dallas gig.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 187||04/22/2016|
Charlene Tilton became a devout Christian after she left Dallas.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 188||04/22/2016|
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 189||04/22/2016|
I enjoyed how, by later in the series, Val and Abby seemed to have detente and Val seemed at times to be somewhat awed by Abby.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 190||04/22/2016|
I understand the lusting for Gary - he was definitely a stud on the show, but man did I LOVE the chest hair that Mac would should when his shirt had one button undone - w o o f for Mac McKenzie.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 191||04/22/2016|
That was when Alec Baldwin had a buoyant butt you could eat breakfast off of.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 192||04/22/2016|
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 193||04/22/2016|
Speaking of hot blonds, Pat Peterson in his prime - yum.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 194||04/22/2016|
[quote] Ted Shackelford was rumored to possess a "third leg"
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 195||04/22/2016|
R192 - ;-)!!!! Back then Alec's ass was the 8th Wonder of the World. I get hard every time I watch any episodes with him in them. I just have to block his current looks out of my mind.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 196||04/22/2016|
I found a bunch of full episodes on Daily Motion on this user's page ... a few from season 5 surrounding Chip's death - great stuff.
This episode at the link is the one following Sid's death in season 3 ... Michele Lee does a wonderful job and the last scene where she holds Ginger and Kenny's new baby is heart wrenching:
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 197||04/23/2016|
Gary's barefeet at mark 5:00 ... imagine coming home to find that on the sofa every day
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 198||04/23/2016|
[quote][R192] - ;-)!!!! Back then Alec's ass was the 8th Wonder of the World. I get hard every time I watch any episodes with him in them. I just have to block his current looks out of my mind.
This is true. He had the best ass of all the Baldwin bros. From Knots to Beetlejuice and everything in between, his bubble butt was supreme.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 199||04/23/2016|
A frustrated Richard asks Ciji what exactly is going on between her and his wife with the infamous line: "Which one gets to be the man?"
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 200||04/23/2016|
I'd love to have this wake up in my bed every morning ...
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 201||04/23/2016|
r175 r177 r187, the Lucy episode was posted up above in its entirety ... I thought she fit in nicely. She definitely would have dug her claws in Kenny:
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 202||04/23/2016|
Laura gets to tell her story ... Constance McCashin is quite heartbreaking in this:
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 203||04/23/2016|
Karen's Pollyanna Speech to Gary
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 204||04/23/2016|
What I never really appreciated about the Ciji Dunne story was how utterly clever it was on the part of Peter Dunne and the writers. It was the first story to really engage the entire cast as an ensemble, bringing in an outsider and using her to expose the depths of dysfunction that was seething underneath the seemingly simple domestic dramas of our little suburban group. As a kid, I hated Ciji and was glad when she died, but watching these old clips and episodes online, I see now how brilliant the whole thing really is (and how "appealing" Lisa Hartman really was - I guess I needed adult eyes to understand the cynicism that underlined the story). Ciji was genuine and honest, a kind of flower in the dirt and she became an obsession for everybody - instead of bringing out their best qualities, she inadvertently brought out their worst, a scapegoat for everyone's insecurities, jealousies, resentments and jaded frustrations. Even Val ended up pushing her to the ground and hitting her head against a table. It was a way to show just how damaged the denizens of Seaview Circle really had become. Today, that damage is first-most in telling a story - we expect flawed cynical ennui in our heroes and heroines (the 21st century Superman kills people), and occasionally we get a glimpse of something good in them peeping up from time to time as ironic twists, but the regular characters of KL were good first and their edges were subtly displayed. The ironic twist in season 4 was good girl Ciji Dunne sharpened all those edges to the point of they cut her up, inspiring unbridled hatred and unharnessed anger from the regular cast of characters we came to know and love. And despite the fact that all these characters were supposed to be "good", they used her, corrupted her, lashed out at her and threw her to the wolves - a sacrificial lamb to be put on a pedestal and then torn down. I never really got how sad and tragic that story really was.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 205||04/23/2016|
Most t.v.series that use different recordings of its theme song throughout their respective runs usually have ONE version that far outshines the others. Dallas, Hart to Hart, Brady Bunch etc. all come to mind.
In Knot's Landing case the season one arrangement is, IMO, the best of the series.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 206||04/23/2016|
R199 With all the praise of Alec's ass back in the 80s, I would still eat it thoroughly for hours as it is today.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 207||04/23/2016|
[quote]With all the praise of Alec's ass back in the 80s, I would still eat it thoroughly for hours as it is today.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 208||04/23/2016|
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 209||04/23/2016|
[quote]With all the praise of Alec's ass back in the 80s, I would still eat it thoroughly for hours as it is today.
So would I.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 210||04/24/2016|
Alec's hot butt on Knots...
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 211||04/24/2016|
I loved how all the relationships were based on some kind of damage. Karen and Val were bffs because Karen felt guilty for Abbey ruining Val's marriage. Oh and the whole twin thing...
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 212||04/24/2016|
If I live to be a hundred, I always will hear Julie Harris yelling in that southern accent "Valene!"
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 213||04/24/2016|
r212, I think Karen and Val established an instinctive bond from the beginning - before Abby came into their lives. Karen was an upper middle-class college grad married to a blue collar car mechanic, passionate about environmental and social causes. Val was an uneducated hick from the back woods of Texas who still had a naïve and youthful idealism, believing the best of everyone - especially the jaded husband she was giving another chance to. I think Val almost idolized the slightly older Karen as the big sister she never had, and Karen was almost maternal in her protectiveness of the younger woman. Karen admired Val's pure idealism and Val admired Karen's strength and confidence. The damage came later (Gary playing an inadvertent part in Sid's death, Sid's sister taking Gary away from Val), but the bond was genuine between the two women, and the friendship survived in the face of those challenges that a lesser friendship would not have been able to withstand.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 214||04/24/2016|
Just wanted to add that Sid and Karen also represented to Val the close family model (mother, father with 3 healthy happy kids) that Val at one time could only dream of one day having. Karen was who Val wanted to be.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 215||04/24/2016|
I loved the first season theme over them all as well - I loved the brief echo of the DALLAS theme at the beginning and the end. It was obrtrusive, just a link to an ongoing saga that linked two shows. When KNOTS had no choice but to cut its ties to DALLAS (because of the former's disastrous DREAM season fiasco), the theme reflected that and there was no longer any familiar echo of the Mother Show. It also signaled that KNOTS was a show that could stand on its own without any help of the show that spawned it.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 216||04/24/2016|
Sorry I meant to say "it wasn't obtrusive ..."
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 217||04/24/2016|
With this talk about the opening credit sequences, I just remember thinking that Tonya Crowe must have been really pissed. Her final season, 1989/90, she finally gets put into the opening credits, gets first billing because it's alphabetical, and it's the one and only time they don't show the characters' pictures in the credits. LOL
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 218||04/24/2016|
Tonya Crowe today:
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 219||04/24/2016|
Another modern day Tonya Crowe: (she's the one with the flower)
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 220||04/24/2016|
Pat Peterson today
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 221||04/24/2016|
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 222||04/24/2016|
Val, please ... put some shoes on, for God's sake - your feet are filthy.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 223||04/24/2016|
Who in holy hay-ell is this Valeeen Yoowin gal that's got y'all hot n' bothered, and what's so dang special 'bout her l'il babies?
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 224||04/24/2016|
Why doesn't anyone care about me?!
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 225||04/24/2016|
I wanted Alec Baldwin in the worst way. Damn he was hot back then.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 226||04/24/2016|
Why hasn't anyone mentioned how utterly delicious I was in my guest appearances?
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 227||04/24/2016|
So Val and Gary's house is the second on the left, then the Fairgates, the Averys, Abby's house and the Wards ... so who lived beside the Ewings in the first house on the left? And why did we never see Gary lounging in that pool behind their house ... or the Fairgates playing Marco Polo in theirs?
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 228||04/24/2016|
I used to fantasize Alec bubble booty Baldwin getting his gravity defying buns eaten out by Mac McKenzie. ;-)~
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 229||04/24/2016|
Ooh, now that's a hot fantasy.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 230||04/24/2016|
R228 - If memory serves, the homes on the show were actually physically in Granada Hills - which any Angelian knows is not only nowhere near the ocean, but is frankly in the "middle of nowhere". It's a cute, nice town/LA hood that is ALL the way on the other side of the valley. The midcentury homes in one neighborhood in particular put it on the map for the film community and are used often for period films. I bet that the opening shot you are referencing has nothing to do with the actual homes at all and was an entirely different part of California. It almost seems like Laguna Beach or Palos Verdes to me.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 231||04/24/2016|
no knots here
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 232||04/24/2016|
I dreamed of Alec Baldwin fucking me as a kid.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 233||04/24/2016|
As a kid I always wanted to live on a cul de sac.
Now that I do I hate it and will be putting my house up for sale this summer.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 234||04/25/2016|
Lol, r234 - same here. I thought it would be a cozy and homey and a rich life, but I actually hate the neighbours I have in my cul-de-sac ... the ones I have anything to do with are superficial relationships that are exhausting to maintain. And no hot guys ... none at all :(
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 235||04/25/2016|
The Granada Hills aerial footage was spliced in with aerial footage from over the PCH in Malibu, but KNOTS was technically supposed to be based on Palos Verdes, which is why for many years the closing credits came over aerial footage from the PV peninsula. Of course, over time, the perceived locale of KL changed depending on the needs of the story. Gary's Ranch, Westfork and Sumner's Ranch were both in Hidden Hills, out near Calabasas - which are nowhere near Palos Verdes. The Sumner Group offices were clearly downtown LA, Abby's beach house was obviously in Malibu, etc., but middle America was supposed to be under the assumptions that all these locations were close to each other and somehow tied to this fictional suburb.
Fun fact: the neighbors in the cup-de-sac received $3,000 per day, per house, for each shooting day. The owners of Val's house made more, because the crew was allowed to stay inside.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 236||04/25/2016|
R236 - THANK YOU for the wonderful info!!!! More please :)
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 237||04/25/2016|
DL : 'on the cutting edge of popular culture' claimed a recent poster. How we laughed and laughed!
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 238||04/25/2016|
Wasn't there an issue with booze or drugs with Steve Shaw, and that's why he was dropped? I wonder if his death had to do with drunken driving.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 239||04/25/2016|
Don Murray has been included on the official new Twin Peaks cast list.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 240||04/25/2016|
I found this - a lot of posters claiming to know Steve Shaw ... they all deny his death was a DUI or even a suicide, which was a rumour that spun around ...
I always wondered why KNOTS didn't give a proper tribute to Shaw and killed Eric off too within an appropriate wait-time ... or would that have been too macabre and bad-taste?
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 241||04/25/2016|
[quote]Don Murray has been included on the official new Twin Peaks cast list.
Don Murray is still alive? I honestly have always thought the reason they killed off his character is because he had died in real life.
Glad to hear he's still kicking and not looking too bad for pushing 90.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 242||04/25/2016|
I liked how blonde and sexy Michael Fairgate was taking more after his wild Aunt Abby than his sanctimonious mother.
Although he shared his mother's dark looks, Eric took after his boring father; Diana got her looks from her father, but took after her self-righteous mother.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 243||04/25/2016|
Claudia Lonow today
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 244||04/25/2016|
Yikes ... this is pretty bad stuff:
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 245||04/25/2016|
I remember being distracted by Donna Mills' makeup.
She wore more makeup than anyone else on TV, including Dynasty, and practically transformed into a Warhol portrait of herself.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 246||04/25/2016|
I always thought it was odd that Knots wrote off all its kids once they became adults, whereas most other shows would promote them to major characters. Diana, Eric and Michael Fairgate, Olivia and Brian, Mary Frances Sumner, even Mack's adopted son were all written off. Only Paige stayed, but she came on as an adult.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 247||04/25/2016|
R247 - That is a great observation. Very true! In all honesty though - were any of them worth keeping? No offense - perhaps the writers were to blame, but they were all dead weight for the most part. Paige should have been written off too. She headlined the worst years of the show. Pretty - yes. A great character - not so much. Abby was the key to the series. Of course, I never could get enough of Val either.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 248||04/25/2016|
One of my favorite characters was Linda Fairgate - went from earthy granola wife of Eric to sexing up Michael to being a Paige wannabe. She was built up to be a pretty important character one season and the next, after a new creative team came on, she was killed off after the third or fourth episode.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 249||04/25/2016|
And then Gary, Joshua and Mac to a lesser degree were the jack-off fodder :-)
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 250||04/25/2016|
KNOTS Insider, do you have any dish on why Lar Park Lincoln was do abruptly (and shockingly) killed off?
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 251||04/25/2016|
Man, I hated that Linda Fairgate character and R249 is right that the show runners or producers or writers decided that the character would be re-cast (don't know why), and then completely 'sexed-up'. And then killed off when the revamp didn't work out as they hoped?
And why they killed off Eric - he was somewhere in the Middle East I think? Why couldn't they just let him become an adult, marry, leave Knots? Hell, they did that with Diana. Toward the end of Knots there was actually a very storyline where Karen and Mac had split up, Karen traveled out to NYC (I think) and visited her daughter. I liked that they used the same actress to ply Diana for those scenes. That kind of story telling is what Knots excelled at.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 252||04/26/2016|
They didn't replace Lar Park Lincoln. But when they brought the character back, they made her look so different I also thought it was a different actress but it wasn't. I thought she was annoying as hell when she was first introduced, and couldn't understand why they would bring her back. But then I thought they did a really great job developing her character and she became a perfect foil for both Karen and Paige. I ended up becoming a big fan of LP Lincoln. Then yes, new writers abruptly killed her off, and the storyline made no sense. Poorly, poorly written. It was the first truly horrible season marking the decline.
I don't they killed off Eric. Soon after the actor died in an accident, there was a dedication to him at the end of an episode that I saw again when it aired on TNT years later. I believe it was mentioned that Eric was in the Middle East, but that was it.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 253||04/26/2016|
Lar Park Lincoln was so boring to me. I don't understand why so many Knots fans are such fans of her character.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 254||04/26/2016|
The character of Curious George the monkey's caretaker is named Ted Shackelford.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 255||04/27/2016|
So was Gary Ewing gay? Hypersexual, alcoholic, insecure, mama's boy intimidated by his more macho brothers, his love of horses ...
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 256||04/27/2016|
I don't think KNOTS knew how to write for younger people - it was primarily a 40-something show. Their younger characters always came across as token kids (the first few seasons) and none of them were fleshed out into complex characters (Diana and Olivia only serving to be antagonists for their more complex mothers). Of course, it is the complete opposite today.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 257||04/27/2016|
R256 - "his love of horses ..." LMFAO!!!!!
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 258||04/27/2016|
R257 - So true. "Dynasty" made them into real characters. "Dallas" was hit or miss. In "Knots" they were like accessories for the actresses.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 259||04/27/2016|
Not much was done with most of the children accept Diana and Olvia, each becoming fully developed. I think Diana was written off because Claudia Lonow developed a major drug problem - (which she later become very vocal about). Olvia had at least two terrific storylines and Tonya Crowe really showed some acting chops, but once Abby was written off, they wrote Olivia into a corner and probably felt there was no place else to go. Olivia's major purpose was to serve as Abby's conscious. And despite all of Abby's self-serving manipulations, she did show on occasion she had one.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 260||04/27/2016|
Except, not accept. My bad.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 261||04/27/2016|
Conscience, not conscious. Your other bad.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 262||04/27/2016|
Does anyone think Olivia lived happily ever after with that hunky, young, not-in-the-mob Italian Harold? I sure hope so. And what of Bobby and Betsy Ewing, Gary and Val's twins? We know they didn't head back to Dallas for the re-boot. And little red-headed Meg, Laura and Greg's spawn (oops, daughter)? Did she turn out normal because she was raised by Mac and Karen or did she learn who her real parents were and completely freak out and melt down and become a horror of epic proportions? Perhaps her half-brothers returned to the cul-de-sac and rescued her...
Oh, the questions! I want answers! Let's do a re-boot for TNT like Dallas... it will be huge! Huge, I say!
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 263||04/27/2016|
Abby wasn't "written off" - Donna left the series of course. Yet her lifetime (or similar) movies went nowhere and Knots suffered greatly in her absence.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 264||04/27/2016|
LORIMAR was always a more traditional outfit stuck in the 70s. DALLAS was also about 30 and 40-somethings. They just never knew how to properly write for Lucy except as the token spoiled wild child who would run away, experiment with marijuana, and have copious amounts of sex with her teacher, uncle and J.R.'s associates. When they gave her anything of substance, it was as Val and Gary's wounded calf, and even then the story was really about Val and Gary.
FALCON CREST was again about 40-something parents and 60ish grandparents; the grandchildren were either pawns or victims in their elder's power struggles (Lance the stereotypical Dark Prince and Cole the stereotypical golden farm boy) or completely non-existent (Vicki Gioberti) or comic relief (Emma Channing). The exception was Ana-Alicia's Melissa - that character could have easily been token if it wasn't for the force of an irresistible personality that took her material up a notch. They did try and make Lance and Cole interesting characters, but they were more interested in the conflicts of Angela, Chase, Maggie and Richard (hell, even over-the-hill Julia ended up to be more fascinating than her son was ever given a chance to be).
DYNASTY gave us complex 20-somethings in Steven and Fallon (who were dimensions deeper than Cole and Vicki ever could be) and to a lesser extent Jeff, which was a nice generational complement to the more primary 40-50 somethings. Adam was OTT Shakespearian and chewed material Lorenzo Lamas could only wish he had been given a chance to play. Sammy Jo came on and carved out a more lasting personality than Lucy Ewing was ever allowed to do.
When we think of LORIMAR'S shows, we think of the parents and the grandparents. When we think of Aaron Spelling's, we think of an entire generational map.
Very strange to say that considering I was more of a LORIMAR watcher.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 265||04/27/2016|
R265 - Excellent post! Well stated. And I preferred the Lorimar shows also (despite being in diapers when they were hits - God love syndication right?).
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 266||04/27/2016|
Ditto, R266. My discovery of Knots happened when the first seven years were shown weekday mornings on TNT in 1991-92. Hooked, absolutely hooked. I got up early this morning just to watch my most recently converted-from-VHS episode: Val caught pill addict Karen going through her medicine cabinet.
Watching it again in my mid-30s and realizing how much you can learn about writing for TV from the fifth season of Knots.
Does anyone notice that Knots has a more Melrose Place-like pace than Dallas or Dynasty? I enjoyed both of those shows but they feel glacial in their pacing now. Knots, after the fourth season, really zips along (for 1983-84, at least).
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 267||04/28/2016|
Interesting ... I just watched that very episode on Dailymotion, r267. The whole pill addiction story was handled quite maturely. The fifth season of Knots was its best, all stories and characters juggled brilliantly. They tried to replicate season 5 from then on, creating Wolfbridge Group-like situations every year, but they never matched up to year 5.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 268||04/28/2016|
R268 season 4 is probably the best season
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 269||04/28/2016|
Lisa Hartman was considered pretty rebellious at the time.
Dressing like Cher and Apollonia in bathing-suit outfits at award shows and dating Paul Stanley - she became much tamer once she started dating Clint Black.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 270||04/28/2016|
When an expensive show like Knot's stays on too long, it's production costs, stars' salaries and all-important licensing fees escalate to the point that the show no longer turns a profit. And not being a 30min sitcom, wouldn't necessarily do well in syndication. KL had done such a great job it's first 11 seasons continuing to develop it's core characters, adding interesting new ones and keeping it's storylines fresh, it could easily have lasted 11 more years upholding its quality. It was still in prime form long after Dallas and Dynasty were canceled. But because it's ratings were still top 20, CBS felt it couldn't respectfully bring it to a close. So instead the colluded to kill it. First they cut the budget causing a few popular but lesser characters to be written off - (Constance McCashin, Doug Sheehan). When that didn't work, they brought in new writers who had no clue to the show's history, no nuance of story sophistication and character development, and those writers did a pretty good job of destroying the quality that took all those years to build. Even diehard viewers like me got fed up and gave up. They even slashed the salaries of the major actors it's last season causing Joan Van Ark to defect for another show on another network that didn't get picked up, and cutting the episodes of Lee, Devane, Shackleford and Sheridan so they'd rotate and show up in one out of every three. They really made a mess. It got so bad they took the show off a few months, retooled, and the final episodes weren't that bad but the damage had already been done.
I always felt that if CBS had forked out the money and let the show continue in it's quality form, Karen and Val's younger kids would have been developed and there was even an occasional hint that Laura wasn't really dead and might have resurfaced. (and Shackleford as sex-addict Gary would have continued to take his short off while bedding other female characters). There was a major storyline being developed that ended up being a victim of the budget cuts. Gary was supposed to have an affair with the character played by Lynne Moody. A prime-time interracial romance at that time would have been a big deal. One of the reasons Lynne Moody signed on, and the major reason she decided to sign off.
It's been years since I saw episodes in syndication, but the quality really held up. Whereas old episodes of Dallas and Dynasty to me looked even more contrived, silly and dated.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 271||04/29/2016|
R271 here. Sorry for the typos, especially mentioning Gary's short when I meant shirt. But Gary taking his shorts off would have been even better, right?
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 272||04/29/2016|
Gary and the Lynne Moody character would have been a good story.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 273||04/29/2016|
Ted Shackelford did a TV-movie with John Wesley Shipp in which they both played hot-to-trot lifeguards called "Summer Fantasy"!
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 274||04/29/2016|
Was Millie Perkins ever back as Jane Sumner after her guest appearance in season 5?
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 275||04/29/2016|
She appeared briefly years later when Greg had to call her to let her know Mary Frances had been killed.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 276||04/29/2016|
R271 - FASCINATING post! I would be thrilled to hear and everything else that you would divulge. You made my Friday! :)
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 277||04/29/2016|
Wow, totally forgot about that Ted/JWS lifeguard movie, it also starred (the former) Mrs. Bruce Springsteen... Blanking on her name at the moment... Julianne something? She also co-starred in the network drama "Sisters". I remember a Hollywood insider posting some dirt here at DL a few years ago, and several posters thought it was her.
Now back to KL. Remember when Karen took a bullet? Good times. Random trivia - Grace Zabriskie (Twin Peaks, Seinfeld) pulled the trigger.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 278||04/29/2016|
It's a sad fact that every great show that I can think of at the moment has a sharp (if they are lucky) or steady decline to its final episode. Knots was no different. Like all of its prime time soap rivals of the day - the first season was scary (why did they pick these shows up due to their pilots - I swear), season 3 or 4 spectacular, last couple seasons painful. They all had the same demise - Knots just lasted a HELL of a lot longer. Excellent show.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 279||04/29/2016|
As a teenage boy, I used to fantasize about Kevin Dobson seriously topping me. Once he got me really opened up, Ted Shackelford would take over. Both guys are reportedly VERY well hung.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 280||04/29/2016|
Funny - I always fantasized Kevin topping Ted and Alec. He seemed the perfect top for their big, round, plump bottoms.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 281||04/29/2016|
I think some of you guys are projecting the size of Alec's ass back then. He was pretty fit and lean in the 80s, much like his brother Billy.
His ass has gotten bigger and better in the last two decades.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 282||04/29/2016|
R271 Actually it was season 13 where they shut down production about half way through the season to retool things. They got rid of most of the pointless new characters they introduced except for Bruce Greenwood who they finally got rid of at the beginning of season 14.
Season 14 was where they had actors rotate episodes. Michele Lee was in every episode because she offered to work scale for the episodes she wasn't originally intended to be in for the last season. She really wanted to be in every episode that bad.
I know there are some people who don't like the last 3 or 4 seasons, but I think they're plenty good stuff there still. I wasn't too thrilled about all the focus on Paige, especially when she was supposed to be sympatric heroine. That is not Sheridan's strength at all. And yes, they really messed up the character of Val.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 283||04/29/2016|
Oh, I forgot to mention, the worst thing about the second half of season 13 and season 14 was, if not the worst character on the show certainly the worst actress ever on the show - Vanessa Hunt played by Felicity Waterman. God, she was awful. Even worse than Diana and Jean Hackney and the actresses that played them.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 284||04/29/2016|
[quote]I think some of you guys are projecting the size of Alec's ass back then. He was pretty fit and lean in the 80s, much like his brother Billy.
He may have been fit and lean, but his ass has always been huge. Watch Beetlejuice. He wore those khaki pants WELL.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 285||04/30/2016|
The only time I didn't like Knots was the first half of season 13 - when the new (overly serious) writers immediately came in and dismantled the potential of the intricately laid out season 12 finale and dropped the stories of Linda framing Paige, the return of Paige's cop boyfriend, and the mystery of why that blonde kid who was staying with Karen and Mac was in that car accident - with stories about green energy and Anne having to work. Uggghhh. The retool in mid-season got the show back on track for me, even if it was now featuring more sensational stories. And while Season 14 didn't bring out the full Knots quality, I think it was good enough to be pleased it ended there - unlike say, Dallas, that had spent a final season full of new characters and bad actors and horribly boring stories. Or Falcon Crest that spent the last three seasons going from full on camp to serious and humorless story lines to that weird gothic tone for the last season (the gothic was better than the super serious prior season - the one that killed off Melissa and introduced Pilar played by Kristian Alfonso). At least Dynasty had a resurgence in quality the last season too - adding a lot more humor and Sable - although it still didn't match the quality of the first few years of the show (2 - 4ish).
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 286||04/30/2016|
R286 Don't forget the totally random storyline of Val teaching the illiterate waitress how to read and the comedic antics of Benny Appleman. Ugh. Plus they totally wasted Marcia Cross and Halle Berry (who was too young and hot to be believable as Frank's love interest).
Oh and they finally did do an interracial storyline with Jason and Julie. They soon wrote out their characters too, just like all the other young characters.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 287||04/30/2016|
One of the few good things they did in the first half of season 13, was soften the character of Claudia up some. They went too far with her (perhaps) inadvertently getting long-lost son killed. Kathleen Noone was one of the best actresses on the show, but she could only do so much the way the character was written. They wisely later did the Anne/Nick/Claudia triangle, and their various schemes, it was one of more entertaining storylines of the last few seasons. Noone and Michelle Phillips had a lot of chemistry together and their bitchiness towards each other was well written.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 288||04/30/2016|
Some of Anne and Claudia bitchy scenes.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 289||04/30/2016|
James Houghton (Kenny Ward) was by far the hottest male actor on Knots
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 290||04/30/2016|
We all have our tastes. Houghton was okay. But Shackleford and Alec Baldwin were at their stratospheric prime!! Also, there was an actor who came on in the last few seasons. I remember he was very hot. Played the young boy toy of Claudia, the Kathleen Noone character. Anyone recall who it was?
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 291||04/30/2016|
R291 That was Boyd Kestner who played Alex Barth, who showed up to blackmail Claudia. She slept with him to try to keep him away from her daughter Kate. He was very hot. Too bad they dropped his character early in season 14 yet kept that dreadful Vanessa.
Here's a clip of him trying to seduce Claudia in the tub and Claudia seducing him. Had to laugh while he's on top of her and called her a bitch and she responds back with "Yes Alex, I am."
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 292||04/30/2016|
And speaking of the Kate character, it's too bad they made her so bland. Stacy Galina was more interesting in one episode as Mary Frances than her three seasons as Kate. She was awkward with Gary in the last season.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 293||04/30/2016|
Boyd Kestner was hot (and so was his twin brother Bryan, also an actor). I remember when he played Darry in The Outsiders TV show.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 294||05/01/2016|
Donna Mills as Abby Cunningham during her sex kitten phase.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 295||05/01/2016|
If you haven't seen it, you have GOT to watch it:
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 296||05/01/2016|
The secret to KNOTS' longevity was that, no matter how they ventured into the world of wealth and power, they always remained true to their roots and never really left middle-class suburbia (hence their brilliant last scene with the characters all returning to the cul-de-sac). They also managed to juggle drama with romantic comedy, which it did very well. The other prime-time powerhouses dabbled in comedy as brief drama relief or bitch-slap zingers (FALCON CREST went further into comedy in their later years with deliberate all-out camp), but KNOTS gave us real human idiocyncrasies and everyday eccentricities that made their characters more identifiable and familiar. Romantic comedy relies on both, so they were more successful in fleshing out their relationships which went beyond high melodrama and avoid the pitfalls of token staged couplings. Blake and Krystle became trapped into their own myth and eventually died of overexposure, but Karen and Mack were allowed to be their own separate personalities, again a necessary ingredient in romantic comedy.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 297||05/01/2016|
Very well said, R271.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 298||05/03/2016|
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 299||05/06/2016|
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 300||05/06/2016|
Kathleen Noone -- IMHO -- did the impossible as Claudia; she didn't come on and 'replace' Abby (C'est impossible!); however, Claudia was a great character in her own right, scheming and plotting (getting Greg the kidney or liver, whatever it was) was chilling!
KNOTS would be ripe for a revival ala DALLAS, using a handful of vets plus all the kids all grown up: Bobby, Betsy, Meg, Daniel, Molly...
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 301||05/06/2016|
Is Joan Van Ark retired from acting these days?
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 302||05/06/2016|
R301 I agree, Noone was great. While Claudia and Abby were both cunning schemers, the similarities ended there.
E302 JVA is still acting.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 303||05/06/2016|
Was there any animosity between Joan Van Ark, Donna Mills, and Michele Lee?
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 304||05/07/2016|
R304 - there always seemed to be some tension when they were on talk shows. Karen was the nicest character on the show but Michele seemed the bitchiest of the bunch in real life. It appeared that Joan was the most likeable and liked of the three. Donna and Michele seemed to have tension - mainly from Michele's side IMHO
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 305||05/07/2016|
I think they got along for the most part. Lee and Van Ark were always friends and still are today.
The Knots set was a relatively drama free set.
Lee didn't care much for Sheridan. That wasn't a secret at the time.
Van Ark sometimes got on peoples nerves with her being a perfectionist - on her own work, not others.
And Devane could be a pain at times. He had a rep for that prior to Knots but there were others in the business who were much worse and they felt he was worth being the occasional pain in the ass.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 306||05/07/2016|
Donna and Ted were the hottest true cast members of the show and from what I have been told - they were a dream to work with.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 307||05/07/2016|
Knot's Landing was known as a relatively well-run set with fewer ego clashes than most long-running shows.
But toward the end of the run of the show, KL was known for spending an inordinate amount of time and money on Lighting to flatter the aging stars Michelle Lee and Joan van Ark - it became an annoyance for some of their co-stars.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 308||05/07/2016|
Joan Van Ark's worst behavior on the set of KL was the horrendous fake Southern accent that she felt into and out of during the course of a scene...
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 309||05/07/2016|
Glad it was drama free on the set of Knots Landing.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 310||05/08/2016|
What about the drunken episode that changed the face of the show?
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 311||05/08/2016|
Wasn't Claudia Lonow who played Diana Fairgate a coke head who was fired in 1984 for not only drug use but also from stealing money from Queen Michele Lee's purse on set?
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 312||05/08/2016|
No one said there was no drama, just relatively little for such a long running show. I knew that Lonow had a coke habit but didn't know about her stealing from Lee. Diana had turned into a total unlikeable cunt so they probably knew that not many viewers would miss her anyway.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 313||05/08/2016|
I really want the story of Claudia stealing from Michele's purse onset to be true. Please, please, please.
Devane once said of JVA: "Joan's not neurotic, she's an actress." He could give people a run for their money, so his praise of Joan always said much about both of them. FYI, I loved Val and Greg Sumner scenes and they were rare but did happen.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 314||05/10/2016|
Devane and Van Ark would always deliver. Many people will look the other way if you're good at what you do and they were less trouble than a lot of other difficult actors.
Devane threatened to leave the show (and even said so in print) when he contract expired at the end of season 11. He didn't like that they fired Constance McCashin and that he didn't have much to do for a while after Greg handed Meg over the Mackenzie's. Laura's death gave him some great material to work with though. Greg's breakdown watching Laura's video was one of the best acted and biggest tearjerkers ever on the show. I can never watch that scene without crying. And I'm not even that much of a sentimental person.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 315||05/10/2016|
Pat Petersen in his youth
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 316||05/10/2016|
I worked on the show.
Claudia Lonow did not get fired for stealing from Michele Lee's purse (she made about $15,000 a week back then and wouldn't' have to stoop to that, coke habit or not). The writers had done all they could with the character and the show needed the money for new additions like Alec Baldwin that season.
I love the gossip on this site, but I know many of the people discussed and the rumors about them here are false a good 80% of the time.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 317||05/11/2016|
Tell us the REAL down and dirty from the KNOTS set, R317! Please????????
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 318||05/11/2016|
I worked on the show as well.
Lonow got fired for that atrocious hair-do. Or should I say, hair-don't.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 319||05/11/2016|
R317, I'm teaching a university film/TV studies on Knots and prime time serials in September. Let us have it!
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 320||05/12/2016|
Jesus R320 do people actually pay to sit through a "university" level course on something such as "prime time serials"? What does this three credit (my assumption) course cost some undergrad in 2016?
Is this a requirement toward a degree or an elective?
What are the lecture topics? "Knots Landing or Falcon Crest which show better represented California?" "Eye make-up for the Queen Bitch - who wore it better, Donna Mills or Joan Collins?"
Fashion and Shoulder Pads, A Beginners Guide?
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 321||05/12/2016|
R321, it's a 4-credit "writing for TV" course, ha ha, I understand what you're saying, though. Elective in a film/TV production major and they should come away with a pitch and pilot script for something serial-related (if not a soap). The 5th season of Knots is a master class in writing for an ensemble drama and it's not bad for teaching narrative structure and the rest.
I like your ideas, though!
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 322||05/12/2016|
Sounds like a really fun class to me!
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 323||05/12/2016|
Never underestimate the appeal of an anthemic, orchestral theme song with a soaring crescendo.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 324||05/12/2016|
Yes, r303, KNOTS knew how to differentiate their villianesses, instead of giving us token bitches for plot purposes. Abby was a self-made survivor in a man's world yet capable of using her feminine wiles to her full advantage only to balance out the patriarchal hypocrisy; Claudia was inherently greedy, yet you got the feeling she was a black sheep who languished in the shadow of her more favored brother and resorted to doing whatever she could to get her share; Anne was a spoiled and narcissistic brat whose selfishness was always self-destructive; likewise, daughter Paige was just an entitled little bitch who felt wounded by the world and distrustful. All very distinctly different ladies coming from their own unique starting points.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 325||05/28/2016|
Ted Shackelford isn't looking very well these days.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 326||06/14/2016|
R326, I choose to read that picture as evidence that somehow Gary and Abby got back together and Val stole Mack from Karen.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 327||06/14/2016|
Kevin Dobson still looks good there but older men with curly hair should not poof it up with product like that. Just looks goofy. Short and neat is always better.
Donna looks great, as always.
Joan would not look so ridiculous if she didn't wear her hair in such a harsh way and eased up on the clownish makeup. Is there no one in her life willing to tell her the truth? She's not Joan Fucking Crawford.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 328||06/14/2016|
Constance McCashin is a licensed psychotherapist nowadays. She has her own webpage and everything.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 329||06/14/2016|
Kevin wears a hairpiece. He was majorly balding on Kojak, but started wearing the piece by the time he was on Knots. Not a bad looking one (the one he wore on Knots), considering how bad they can look sometimes.
Anyone know if Ted is ill? There were rumors he was around 5 years ago when Kin Shriner replaced him for a little while on The Young and the Restless. He hasn't been on Y&R much in the last few years. I think he was on once last year and none so far this year.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 330||06/14/2016|
GIVE ME MAH BABIES! I WANT MAH BABIES!
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 331||06/14/2016|
Ted looks like a walking zombie now :<
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 332||06/14/2016|
Kevin still looks fuckable - hair piece or not
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 333||06/14/2016|
Interesting Michele Lee wasn't there. She's usually at things like this where they have other Knots stars.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 334||06/15/2016|
JVA did her make-up well enough so she doesn't look as scary as she sometimes can and doesn't look the worst in the line-up for a change. Ted's getting that sad "frail old man" look. It's quite the change from the strapping, fit guy he was for so long. Hopefully he's not ill.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 335||06/15/2016|
Is Ted gay? I always wondered.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 336||06/15/2016|
Look at their hands!!! God please let me die young!
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 337||06/15/2016|
Donna's face is icky looking. Fillers and Botox.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 338||06/15/2016|
Donna is 100000x better looking than JVA
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 339||06/15/2016|
Does anyone think that Knots Landing could have been made into a movie?
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 340||06/15/2016|
R338 is a -12 on the Abby Scale.
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|by Capricorn Crude||reply 342||06/19/2016|
If the thread title is "Let's talk about Knots Landing", then don't just "bump"... Talk about fucking Knots Landing!
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 343||06/20/2016|
There is no way that this show could be a remake because it is too good to be remade. Some shows do not deserve a remake.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 344||06/21/2016|
Not a remake but a sequel is certainly possible. But I don't think the audience or the studios are open for a new version. It's hard to excite Americans for a drama show with a setting in suburbia. Even back then it took some major retooling of the show to make it a rating success. And studios are hesitant because this serialized format is a gamble in first runs which cannot succeed in syndication later. This kind of show needs to make money right away or it is a failure.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 345||06/21/2016|
Why don't they start streaming this on netflix or amazon?
I need that lanky Gary back.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 346||06/21/2016|
I wish they'd stream the show somewhere too. The sales for the season 2 dvd set wasn't that good so that's a big reason no more have been released. I've heard that the large amount music used in seasons 4-8 when Ciji and Cathy sang a lot covers could be very pricey (some writers want an insane amount of money for their songs being used) which could be another big reason those seasons haven't been released either on dvd or streaming.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 347||06/21/2016|
It's about an alien invasion and all their ships look like dog's dicks.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 348||06/21/2016|
Kevin Dobson back in 70s before he started wearing a hairpiece.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 349||06/23/2016|
OP, thanks to your thread I started watching the show again. I start with season 5 though. Not a big fan of the early years. Michael Sabatino had a great ass too. Alec Baldwin wasn't the first great ass.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 350||06/23/2016|
Dobson has plugs.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 351||06/23/2016|
Michael Sabatino was hot. He could do some of the most intense glares.
I'm not crazy about the early years either. The first two seasons didn't have much focus, some episodes were really good though. I didn't care for the characters of Sid, Richard (hated him in the get him off my screen way), Kenny and Ginger and didn't care when they left. I'd say it started getting real good in season 4 though.
|by Capricorn Crude||reply 352||06/23/2016|
R351 Maybe now, but he wore a hairpiece on KL. Michele Lee mentioned he did in an interview, although she pointed out it was a good one.
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My pivot put Barrie Youngfellow's to shame.
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