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Splendor in the Grass

Just finished on TCM. Anybody know why it only got two Oscar nominations (Lead Actress and Screenplay, which it won)? I think it's Kazan's best work. Pat Hingle was robbed of a Supporting Actor nomination as well (George Chakiris won.)

by Anonymousreply 6208/21/2013

It was a bit edgy for its time, and Wood's performance is still divisive (with some seeing it as overacting and others seeing it as brilliant). Beatty is also a divisive figura.

I agree it's a great film, and heartbreaking.

by Anonymousreply 108/09/2010

And Zohra Lampert! %0D

by Anonymousreply 208/09/2010

Love it.

by Anonymousreply 308/09/2010

This is one of my very favorite movies, so beautiful and poignant. And I love the theme music, which was a perfect match.

by Anonymousreply 408/09/2010

It was a crowded year.

Keep in mind that Natalie got the Best Actress nom for this the same year she did WEST SIDE STORY. It was an amazing year for her.

If you want to talk about robbed, Burt Lancaster was robbed (JUDGMENT AT NURENBERG) as was Shirley Maclaine (THE CHILDREN'S HOUR).

by Anonymousreply 508/09/2010

In case you haven't noticed, the link I posted went to the wrong page... it's supposed to go here.

I looked up Fanny because I had never heard of the film, and I considered myself a pretty knowledgeable film fan.

by Anonymousreply 608/09/2010

So bad that it verges on camp.%0D %0D %0D %0D Natalie Wood was a horrible actress.

by Anonymousreply 708/09/2010

And Phyllis Diller as Texas Guinan. Hello, suckers!

And Sandy Dennis, too!

by Anonymousreply 808/09/2010


by Anonymousreply 908/09/2010

I thought of this film when I was reading the "worst performance thread." because Natalie was mentioned a few times.

Natalie can be god awful but she does excel in those screaming/having a breakdown scenes that she's done in a couple of movies. I like this movie. I find it very poignant.

And Warren was just plain beautiful.

by Anonymousreply 1008/09/2010

Barbara Loden is fucking amazing. I love this film. And yay, Zohra Lampert! I just got my DVD of LET'S SCARE JESSICA TO DEATH.%0D %0D I don't like Natalie Wood but this is one of the few times she works for me. Her voice usually bugs me, especially when she gets emotional. In this film, even during the hysterical moments, it didn't bother me. She also looks more beautiful in this than anything else. Well this and ALL THE FINE YOUNG CANNIBALS.

by Anonymousreply 1108/09/2010

I love this film too but JFC, did they not have hand jobs in the 20's?

by Anonymousreply 1208/13/2010

George Chakiris was so beautiful they could give him Best Actress ahead of Meryl Streep and I wouldn't care.

by Anonymousreply 1308/14/2010

Splendor was filmed in a house in the town of Patchogue,N.Y. Anyone know if the house still exists? I live nearby and would like to see it. The scene with Natalie in the bath tub was actually in that house.

by Anonymousreply 1408/14/2010

Splendor In The Ass, the best porn title evah.

by Anonymousreply 1508/14/2010

All I remember from watching this years ago is feeling frustrated. I wanted to yell at the screen, "Oh for God's sake, just fuck her!"

by Anonymousreply 1608/14/2010

Natalie yearns so much for Warren, she becomes unhinged;

by Anonymousreply 1708/14/2010

R17, she becomes unhinged because she just found out he fucked the orange hoochie in front of her.

by Anonymousreply 1808/14/2010

That's right. But Kazan is such a great director.

by Anonymousreply 1908/14/2010

One of the absolutely WORST examples of period costuming and hairstyling in the history of motion pictures.

by Anonymousreply 2008/14/2010

I've only seen it once, and found it dreary and unsatisfying. That was along time ago, so maybe I will check it out again.

by Anonymousreply 2108/14/2010

It's way OTT camp and dated, but it is gorgeously put together and very well done in spots. A delirious early/mid-'60s spectacle. I personally prefer "Lilith" with Beatty and Jean Seberg as far as those go.

Barbara Loden and Zohra Lampert steal the movie - Lampert especially is mesmerizing in her brief scenes. But Loden's character confirms the film is in many ways a rip from "Written On The Wind."

Kazan's best film, though, is probably the criminally underseen, searing sexual Technicolor masterpiece "Wild River." Or "A Face In The Crowd."

by Anonymousreply 2208/14/2010

Chakiris was great in West Side Story. His dancing alone was worth a nomination, and his performance as a whole was worthy of a win. But I agree that Hingle's not being nominated is very surprising.

by Anonymousreply 2308/14/2010

I love Zohra Lampert but doesn't she have about 3 or 4 lines in Splendor in the Grass. I admit it's been years since I've seen it, but her role was way too small and uninteresting to deserve oscar nomination consideration.

by Anonymousreply 2408/14/2010

If George Chakiris stole the Oscar away from anyone that year it was Montgomery Clift in Judgment at Nuremberg.%0D %0D Chakiris looks great and dances beautifully but unlike his costar and cowinner Rita Moreno, he doesn't have a single big acting scene in all of WSS. And no solo dance or song either.

by Anonymousreply 2508/15/2010

I know no one will agree but Warren pings,ignore everything you know about his pussyhound ways & watch with an open mind.

by Anonymousreply 2608/15/2010

Over-the-top campfest. Kazan was a pervy troll, slept with all his neurotic actresses. Streetcar was his apex, then his projects became increasingly sordid and seamy- like him. And then he was over.%0D %0D It's still interesting though because of the 2 attractive stars in their prime.

by Anonymousreply 2708/15/2010

Zohra Lampert - gay?

by Anonymousreply 2808/15/2010

Love this film. One of my all time favorites.%0D I wonder why the music score never got a soundtrack recording?

by Anonymousreply 2908/15/2010

Natalie Wood is wonderful in many films. Splendor,West SIde Story, Love With a Proper Stranger, Gypsy (the definitive Louise. So there!), Bob and Carol, This Property is Condemned,Miracle on 34th St.,and Rebel Without a Cause, AND she was gorgeous AND had a sense of humor (If I am not mistaken she was the first actress to go to the Harvard Lampoon ceremony in mid 60s to pick up her "Worst Actress" Award ... "Natalie Wood won't accept the Lampoon's worst actress of the year award with the customary embarrassed silence. She has demanded an invitation to Cambridge so she can receive the honor in person."

I love this woman even in Daisy Clover!!

by Anonymousreply 3008/15/2010

All these years I thought Zohra Lampert had died. I thought she had cancer and died.%0D Same with Diane McBain. I thought she died too.

by Anonymousreply 3108/15/2010

r14, the house still exists, but not on Long Island. It's at 4414 Victory Boulevard in the Travis section of Staten Island. Take ferry then S62 Victory Blvd bus to Wild Avenue, a 40-minute trip. Area still looks like 1930's Kansas.

by Anonymousreply 3208/15/2010

I'm with you R30. Sure she made some clunkers (Penelope, Great Race, Meteor) but she also starred in some classic films which you mentioned in your post. And let's not forget, she was pretty good in The Cracker Factory on TV. Natalie -- one of my favorite actresses.

by Anonymousreply 3308/15/2010


by Anonymousreply 3408/15/2010

Thanks r32.

by Anonymousreply 3508/16/2010

Inside Daisy Clover was one of the worst movies of all time!!

by Anonymousreply 3608/16/2010

Pure camp.

by Anonymousreply 3708/16/2010

But the "You're Gonna Hear From Me (or my lawyers)" number was exquisite! And Ruth Gordon. Watched "Grass" and was enthralled. Beatty just smolders and underacts. Wood does a fine job and I loved the woman who played her mom. William Inge was brilliant. Homoerotic shower scenes. I think its better than the dull uninvolving "Lilith" and 1980's "Endless Love".

by Anonymousreply 3808/16/2010

Inside Daisy Clover may suck, but the "You're Gonna Hear From Me" production number Natalie does in outer space in the lame´ newsboy outfit is cute.

by Anonymousreply 3908/16/2010

I was at a Christmas party with Zohra Lampert a few years ago. She was very sweet, if a bit odd. She seemed surprised that anyone knew who she was.

by Anonymousreply 4008/16/2010

Someone I met years ago told a story of Bette Davis telling him, "I just saw 'Splendor Up Your Ass' in which Bill Inge is SO sick that he imagines himself getting fucked in a waterfall by Warren Beatty!"

by Anonymousreply 4108/16/2010

I know this is off topic - but the post title made me think iof a fun DL game: Updated Classic Movies Titles and Their Stars DL Style: %0D %0D Splendor in the Ass, starring Matt ("That Must Be Some Sweet stuff" Damon%0D %0D Seriously Last Summer, staring Julianne Moore

by Anonymousreply 4208/16/2010

r14, the house is at 4144 Victory Boulevard, corner of Roswell Avenue, not 4414, sorry.

by Anonymousreply 4308/16/2010

I just saw INSIDE DAISY CLOVER and found it so dry. It was also way too long for such a slight story. I wish it was campier. %0D %0D R20, I find the 60s period movies to be the most anachronistic in hair and make-up and the most distracting. At least no one in SPLENDOR IN THE GRASS is sporting pearlized lipstick (I'm looking at you Julie 'Lara' Christie and Barbra 'Funny Girl' Streisand!). %0D %0D Though saloon girls in 40s westerns are pretty amusing too.

by Anonymousreply 4408/16/2010

I liked this movie. The ending was so affecting. These two had their chance at a great love and it was gone forever. %0D %0D Natalie Wood and Warren Beatty were gorgeous, in their prime.%0D %0D I remember there was a tv remake of this movie. It starred MELISSA GILBERT as Deenie!%0D Oh, my God! I almost throw up when I think of the homely, screechy-voiced, minimally talented Gilbert in that role.

by Anonymousreply 4508/16/2010

R5, you're so wrong on so many levels. Wood was not an actress, she was a movie star (and whored her way to the middle). Her win was her payoff. Lancaster nominated for Judgement? His performance was the phoniest in the entire film. Shirley MacLaine in the Children's Hour? lol...

by Anonymousreply 4608/16/2010

It may well have something to do with the fact that Kazan's naming of names during the HUAC hearings made him many enemies in Hollywood.

Flash forward decades later to the oscar ceremony at which Kazan won his honorary award. There were many people who were not happy campers even then. Certainly, in the early 60's the memory of Kazan's selfishness and opportunism were fresher than they were at the time of his honorary oscar.

I think Kazan is a great filmmaker and deserved his honorary award. I also despise what he did during McCarthy's witch hunt. And I"m sure many people felt the same way back when Splendor in the Grass was released.

by Anonymousreply 4708/16/2010

"Chakiris looks great and dances beautifully but unlike his costar and cowinner Rita Moreno, he doesn't have a single big acting scene in all of WSS. And no solo dance or song either."

Chakiris is brilliant in the opening number and his dancing was a great acting achievement. With due respect to Clift and Hingle, Chakiris deserved his oscar.

by Anonymousreply 4808/16/2010

[quote]Flash forward decades later to the oscar ceremony at which Kazan won his honorary award. There were many people who were not happy campers even then. %0D %0D Many? The only people I remember not applauding were Ed Harris and Amy Madigan.

by Anonymousreply 4908/16/2010

Warren Beatty was just so unspeakably hot, at that time. He makes the movie wonderful.

by Anonymousreply 5008/16/2010

[quote]The only people I remember not applauding were Ed Harris and Amy Madigan.

Who stood?

by Anonymousreply 5108/16/2010

I distinctly remember seeing Meryl Streep, Robert DeNiro and Warren Beatty stand to applaud Kazan. Ed Harris and Amy Madigan not only didn't applaud, they remained seated, and both wore the most angry, sour expressions imaginable.

Many people acted badly during the McCarthy Era, but as Dalton Trumbo, one of the Hollywood Ten, once noted: "There were no heroes. There were no villains. There were only victims."

by Anonymousreply 5208/16/2010

r32, Is this the house?

by Anonymousreply 5308/18/2010

Just finished watching Splendor on TCM today. Made me melancholy thinking about my only love and how we weren't able to be together like the characters in the film. Warren and Natalie were both gorgeous in the film.

by Anonymousreply 5408/18/2013

What in the world is "camp" about this movie? You'd have to have pretty skewed perceptions to think this movie was "camp."

William Inge won an Academy Award for his "camp" screenplay.

by Anonymousreply 5508/18/2013

Natalie was simply horrid in this. She also overracted in "LOVE WITH THE PROPER STRANGER" and several other of her dramas.

by Anonymousreply 5608/18/2013

I don't think that Natalie Wood was horrid in this movie. I could argue it, but won't.

She was very effective. She portrayed sexual hysteria and the flat affect of depression well. I think the bathtub scene is very truthful.

The whole story/play is terrible and heavy handed, but the theme is alive. The film is bad, but there are things to enjoy.

by Anonymousreply 5708/18/2013

I think Natalie Wood was a very beautiful woman.

But a wretched actress. Very wooden and phony. She always over-acted.

by Anonymousreply 5808/18/2013

All Beatty does is stand around and look pretty. Wood is AWFUL in this. Her performance is so OTT it renders the movie unwatchable.Too bad she didn't drown in that bathtub

by Anonymousreply 5908/18/2013

She did eventually drown in a big bathtub.

by Anonymousreply 6008/18/2013

Zohra Lampert is married to Jonathan Schwartz, the NPR DJ who has the Sunday afternoon show that features a lot of Broadway music. He is also the son of Arthur Schwartz the Broadway composer who wrote (with Howard Dietz) the songs in MGM's classic The Bandwagon.

I think Zohra is long retired from acting. I worked with her in summer stock in 1971 and she was loony but very sweet.

by Anonymousreply 6108/18/2013

she was magnificent.

by Anonymousreply 6208/21/2013
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