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Poor Christina Aguilera

Then she was a Poor Man's Britney Spears.

Now she's a Poor Man's Lady Gaga.

Just give up, Christina. See how the acting career goes.

by Anonymousreply 17410/09/2013

It's too bad she relies so heavily on gimmicks. She's actually a good singer when she sings.

by Anonymousreply 106/19/2010

She needs a good manager or record exec to guide her career.

by Anonymousreply 206/19/2010

She needs to acquire some much more natural looking hair, and stop with the white hair.

Blonde with mixed brown and blonde streaks, and hair extensions.

Anything would look better than the stark white shorn short damage hair she has.

by Anonymousreply 306/19/2010

Christina could become the next Eydie Gorme if she would just sing.

by Anonymousreply 406/20/2010

Her voice is beautiful.

Her palpable and steadily increasing desperation is not.

by Anonymousreply 506/20/2010

How would anyone rate Irving Azoff? Christina's manager. The other manager that she had was working her to death.

by Anonymousreply 606/20/2010

She needs to fire everyone around her and start over.

Maybe change countrys.

She has the talent but something is off.

I still love her & her white hair.

But she needs to change things up maybe do the iamwhoiam thing.

by Anonymousreply 706/20/2010

Also, besides getting a brand new management team, Christina could go to Europe and start singing in jazz clubs. She has the pipes for it.

by Anonymousreply 806/20/2010

Oh please, she doesn't need to give it up...she has the best voice of her generation.

by Anonymousreply 906/20/2010

Things haven't quite worked out well for her, have they?

She's a talented woman, but she relies to heavily on a bunch of gimmicks--after they've been played out by others.

by Anonymousreply 1006/20/2010

just read on PH (i know) that her album had the biggest fall in UK chart history: from #1 to 18 in two weeks.

by Anonymousreply 1106/20/2010

Um...yeah. Because she is a total flop.

When you can happily make a list of less talented performers that outperform someone in sales and the list only includes three or four names, that is amazing.

She is remarkably successful for someone with talent. And it looks like her most recent album is completely hack and uninspired, and yet it will do. Usually people with talent don't make it at all.

I wish I could fail like that.

by Anonymousreply 1206/20/2010

sorry...from #1 to #29!!

by Anonymousreply 1306/20/2010


by Anonymousreply 1406/20/2010

Christina Aguilera Needs A NOH8 Photo petition

by Anonymousreply 1506/20/2010

When is the movie with Cher coming out?

by Anonymousreply 1606/20/2010

Her hips are much too wide to be wearing the garish outfits she wears.

by Anonymousreply 1706/20/2010

[quote] Then she was a Poor Man's Britney Spears. Now she's a Poor Man's Lady Gaga.

Sad thing is she has more tallent in her little finger then both of them put together.

She needs a new agent and less crap. Gimicks are for people who don't have the voice and she has it!

by Anonymousreply 1806/20/2010

I think Aguilera came on the scene about ten years too late. She's really more a Mariah/Celine/Whitney type than a Britney/Lady Gaga/Katy Perry type.

by Anonymousreply 1906/20/2010

I dunno, R18, I'll give you Britney, but Lady GaGa is pretty damn talented once you look past the outrageous outfits.

by Anonymousreply 2006/20/2010

r19, she needs to make her own lane and change her style. She's been recycling the same image for 10 years now.

by Anonymousreply 2106/20/2010

Poor Christina Aguilera

Christina Aguilera’s ‘Bionic’ has made history in the UK but not for the reasons her fans would appreciate.

The LP, which debuted at #1 on the Official UK Albums Chart with 24k units sold (the lowest sales figure for a #1 album in 8 years on the tally), has dropped to #29 during it’s 2nd week on the lineup. This stands as the largest dip that any #1 album has suffered in the history of the UK charts.

by Anonymousreply 2206/20/2010

I'm getting her CD!

by Anonymousreply 2306/20/2010

Good singer with bad management

by Anonymousreply 2406/20/2010

[quote] she needs to make her own lane and change her style. She's been recycling the same image for 10 years now.

I adored her 40's look!

by Anonymousreply 2506/20/2010

Yeah, that was good r40. But what happened after that?

by Anonymousreply 2606/20/2010

the life span of a pop star is very short...her time is over

by Anonymousreply 2706/20/2010

Ugh, I didn't even know she had a new cd.

by Anonymousreply 2806/20/2010

Has she ever released a CD of standards? Her voice would do those songs beautifully.

by Anonymousreply 2906/20/2010

Her second album looked set to underperform but then she released "Beautiful". Is there anything like that song on the new album?

by Anonymousreply 3006/20/2010

Has she ever released a CD of standards? Her voice would do those songs beautifully.

exactly I think maybe she needs to dump everyone around her and start over.

Maybe stop trying to be Madnna and look sexy and just do a stripped down cd.

No gimmicks, glam, just a regular artist type thing.

by Anonymousreply 3106/20/2010

She's trying so hard to be hip and young.

She is no longer young. She had a baby and looks like it. She is a married woman and a mother with a baby.

by Anonymousreply 3206/20/2010

Oversings and does way too much in the way of licks, runs or if you are a pro "melisma". I find her boring and she sings on her chords - lots of glottals and that anoying "moan " sound that starts every phrase that many pop stars have now.

by Anonymousreply 3306/20/2010

What R33 said.

by Anonymousreply 3406/20/2010

Take the money and run, girl.

by Anonymousreply 3506/20/2010

I hope for her sake that the husband is RICH. She can't afford (literally) to keep making a fool out of herself.

by Anonymousreply 3606/20/2010

Her new album is actually the best she's ever done. However, it's not "mainstream." When you're collaborating and writing with Le Tigre, Peaches, Sia, Ladytron, M.I.A etc I don't think mainstream success is in the cards.

The ridiculous Gaga comparisons are stupid. Her new album does not sound like Gaga.

by Anonymousreply 3706/20/2010

Unfortunately, I think her husband is the kind who seems determined to live off his singer wife. Tina is not the first to marry a loser/user.

I just can't imagine a movie musical that teams Tina with Cher is going to be a winner.

by Anonymousreply 3806/20/2010

I think the Gaga comparisons are coming from her new video.

by Anonymousreply 3906/20/2010

She does have a song like Beautiful... It's called "you lost me".

I think she has brought that one out a few should do well on the radio...also, she should release Elastic Love... Great song gives the gaga a run for her money

by Anonymousreply 4006/20/2010

Agreed on the mismanagement, her generation is pushing 30 and she's playing to the Gaga generation. She has a beautiful voice, but that's not enough.

by Anonymousreply 4106/20/2010

Why has she always had an affinity for gaudy makeup?

by Anonymousreply 4206/20/2010

R39, that video looks like a knock-off of Madonna's "Human Nature."

by Anonymousreply 4306/20/2010

Anyway, Not Myself Tonight was a terrible first single. RCA has a history of picking bad singles and leaving the more interesting tracks to rot (Beautiful and Candy Man being the exceptions).

by Anonymousreply 4406/20/2010

Its funny her cd is tanking yet Katy Perry as gimmicky as she is sells.

by Anonymousreply 4506/20/2010


by Anonymousreply 4606/21/2010

"Then she was a Poor Man's Britney Spears. Now she's a Poor Man's Lady Gaga.

Sad thing is she has more talent in her little finger then both of them put together."

I don't think she's more talented than Lady Gaga, I guess she has a somewhat better voice but Gaga's a lot better songwriter. I actually don't know if Christina writes songs at all, but Gaga's songs are definitely what put her on top. It takes more than a good set of pipes.

Christina's certainly more talented the Britney Spears, who is virtually talentless and entirely reliant on studio trickery to even sound listenable at all.

by Anonymousreply 4706/21/2010

The thing is Christina Aguilera has a voice that's up there with the likes of Whitney, Mariah and Celine. Yet Aguilera doesn't have a Clive, Tommy or Rene to manage her career to where everything she released topped the charts. That and the fact she's constantly trying to be this new generation's Madonna doesn't mesh well with the fact that Aguilera is more of a vocalist than a visual artist like Madonna or Janet Jackson.

She should have made it all about her voice, yet she relied too much on being a damn gimmick. She has no one to blame but herself for that.

by Anonymousreply 4806/21/2010

There's a lot more up there with the likes of Whitney and Mariah, sometimes you have to use your own ears and judgment instead of just regurgitating the names the media has hyped as "great divas." And Celine sounds absolutely horrible live, sorry.

by Anonymousreply 4906/21/2010

Whitney Houston had a great voice in the 80s, but Mariah and Celine oversang their material even at their respective peaks, imo.

Christina Aguilera's voice is ok, but she too oversings her material.

Lauryn Hill or Amy Winehouse or even Duffy and Leona Lewis have far better voices, and a better singing technique.

I don't see why CA's voice should be hyped that much. Voice-wise she's not in the top league, with or without her rather weak material.

by Anonymousreply 5006/21/2010

Add to that list Nelly Furtado. Interesting voice, good singing style.

All of which belting CA lacks.

by Anonymousreply 5106/21/2010

She's had a career of "almost hits" for at least the past 2-3 albums. I think she suffers from a problem of taste and likeability--no one around her is picking the right material for her and she just seems strange and tired at the same time.

"Candy Man" was not radio friendly. Neither is her new song. Why can't she come up with a SINGLE to save her life.

BTW she is SO talented--when she sang "This is a Man's World" (James Brown) at the Grammys she rocked it.

by Anonymousreply 5206/21/2010

Christina needs better writers. Sometimes Christina writes with other people. She needs to let somebody write songs for her.

by Anonymousreply 5306/21/2010

No R3, she just needs to get a personality of her own instead of copying everyone else. It's that simple.

by Anonymousreply 5406/21/2010

R50, Whitney Houston is just as guilty oversinging her soulless, bland, watered-down material as Mariah and Celine. In fact, she paved the way for all that belting and adding melisma in every song for no reason except for ego. Whitney took the singing technique that Aretha Franklin created and abused it to the extreme with her 80s pop material. So she's hardly one that escapes being a singer that's all style and technique but lacks true emotive soul to a song, something that the likes such as Aretha, Patti, Gladys, Dionnie, Chaka, etc., always carries.

Far as Christina Aguilera is concerned: She was at her best vocally around Stripped. Yet that was around the time she use to scream all of her songs live in concert as though she's the white Patti LaBelle. (LaBelle can get away with that because she has the Gospel spunk and technique to pull it off -- Aguilera lacks that.) So now her voice sounds very weak compared to how she sounded when she released her first two albums. Had she been smart she would would have released a TRUE R&B album rather than one that faked an R&B sound yet was a Pop album. That's why Amy Winehouse around the time when Christina Aguilera released Stripped trumped her because you felt this authenticity in the music from Amy. Christina you felt as though she created the album solely to receive acclaim from the critics and win Grammys. All to stroke her ego. It's a shame. Because I thought when she released her first album she would have the record sales to rival Whitney and Mariah at their prime. I think had she been under better management she would have excelled commercially speaking.

by Anonymousreply 5506/21/2010

"That's why Amy Winehouse around the time when Christina Aguilera released Stripped trumped her because you felt this authenticity in the music from Amy."

That should be Back To Basics rather than Stripped. My mistake.

by Anonymousreply 5606/21/2010

Well she can't really win can she? People saying she oversings haven't listened to her new album, which has minimal vocal acrobatics. It's been pointed out by critics as a weak point. Meanwhile, during her other cd's critics were constantly berating her for oversinging. It's lose-lose for her, apparently.

by Anonymousreply 5706/21/2010

"Its funny her cd is tanking yet Katy Perry as gimmicky as she is sells."

That Perry bitch can't sing and she's a fake-ass former Christian artist to boot. I spit when her name is spoken. Equally laughable is the fact that Shitt Dogg actually deigned to appear on her new single--gee, is his mary-jane money running short or something?

by Anonymousreply 5806/21/2010

That's exactly how I feel about Perry too, R58. One of the reasons I hate Perez Hilton is he says he's friends with her, and when Perry dissed Gaga's new video as "blasphemous" on Twitter, Perez said it was "surprising" that Perry would say that. It wasn't the least bit surprising, Perez knows she was raised a fundie and originally wanted to be a Christian singer. And he knows Perry has been criticized as a phony by people like Beth Ditto who says Perry just exploited the gay community with the "I Kissed A Girl" song. And he must know there were a lot of complaints about Perry's song "Ur So Gay" being homophobic too. There's hardly anything surprising about Perry reverting to her fundie/redneck roots to jealously scream "blasphemy" at the gay community's newest superstar icon. Perez is an idiot.

by Anonymousreply 5906/21/2010

Good post, R59. I agree.

by Anonymousreply 6006/21/2010

Whitney Houston is just as guilty oversinging her soulless, bland, watered-down material as Mariah and Celine. In fact, she paved the way for all that belting and adding melisma in every song for no reason except for ego.

Yeah and look at where she is now. Hell a 2 year old with a mouth full of marbles can carry a better tune.

I love Satuday night live the one with betty white when Maya Rudolph did Whitney.

Her voice was cracking , she had to take breaks in between the song.ect.ect.

by Anonymousreply 6106/21/2010

Lauryn Hill or Amy Winehouse or even Duffy and Leona Lewis have far better voices, and a better singing technique.

I disagree with Duffy that bitch sounds like she has laryngitis, smoke a carton a day, and sucks dick 24/7.

She sounds like a duck.

by Anonymousreply 6206/21/2010

A friend worked on BURLESQUE and said that while Cher was fun and down to earth and totally cool, Christina was a raging cunt. Rude - so rude that she made some of the PAs cry. And also was overheard saying "What's the big deal with her?" in regards to why Cher was as famous as she is.

She has a bad reputation and that will hurt her in the long run.

by Anonymousreply 6306/21/2010

For my money. Katy Perry is the best girl singer today. She doesn't need to rely on the kind of outrageous gimmicks Gaga depends on to sell her songs.Gaga is getting old, but Katy is still fresh and vibrant. Love her "California Girls"! She doesn't need to flash her cunt in nasty old underwear the way that Gaga does.

If Chritina would emulate Perry rather than Gaga, she would be a lot better off.

by Anonymousreply 6406/21/2010

You must be kidding! Perry is utterly vile. Attacking Gaga to gain attention for her sorry self. Nobody gave Lady Gaga a lift to the top. She had to do it herself. Usually there is no room in pop for ugly women. Gaga created a look, wrote great songs and is working it. Good for her.

As for Aguilera, somebody earlier said it right. She is unlikeable. The woman makes Madonna look warm!

by Anonymousreply 6506/21/2010

Gaga "created a look". Yeah, she covered her face with the arty equivalent of a paper bag.

by Anonymousreply 6606/21/2010

I hate the way Christina sings. Christina, Katy and Pink are jealous of Gaga.

by Anonymousreply 6706/21/2010

The thing about Perry though is she has ridiculously radio friendly singles. And like it or not, she does catchy songs.

Christina does not. Everything seems so forced.

by Anonymousreply 6806/21/2010

"As for Aguilera, somebody earlier said it right. She is unlikeable. The woman makes Madonna look warm!"

Bingo R65.

by Anonymousreply 6906/21/2010

I can't stop singing Perry's "California Girls". Xtina's what was the name of it...not so much.

by Anonymousreply 7006/21/2010

Katy knows the difference between being a singing star and a porno star. If her religious upbringing helped her make this distinction, then it is too bad that Aguilera's parents failed to teach her the basics.

by Anonymousreply 7106/21/2010

She can sing, if you like that type of overdone singing, but I feel her output has always lacked sincerity. Having strong pipes doesn't equate to talent. Gaga wipes the floor with her.

by Anonymousreply 7206/22/2010

Christina needs to reinvent herself. She's been pushing the sex thing too long now. It kind of worked during the "Drrty" period but now that she's a married mom it screams of desperation.

And she needs to lose the 8 inches of makeup and bleached out hair.

A whole new makeover...different hair color, natural makeup, would be welcome. She's looked the same for so long (in various degrees) that it makes her seem so stale.

by Anonymousreply 7306/22/2010

She's also a poor man's wife. Poor guy.

by Anonymousreply 7406/22/2010

Pink apparently hates CA's guts--it has something to do with the fact that a) CA thought she was going to appropriate the starring role on the "Lady Marmalade" all-star single when they went in to record it and b) Linda Perry chose to work with CA, writing "Beautiful" for her. Pink says she resents Perry working with artists that she "doesn't respect." Ouch!

by Anonymousreply 7506/22/2010

Aguilera's never seemed too smart and yeah, she can't choose a good single. She works too hard to sell the sexy and it's just not there. And she has pipes, can wail, etc. but her voice isn't very distinct.

I agree with R58 and R59 about Katy Perry. Her sound is generic watered down pop that sounds like Pink without any bite. Can't wait for her run to end.

by Anonymousreply 7606/22/2010

Katy Perry knows what sells. That's rule number 1 for getting your music played on top 40 radio and sold on itunes. I'm not sure if "California Girls", fun as it is, would be getting airplay without Snoop Dog's rap add-on.

Top 40 today, except for some country crossover, is basically rap and rhythm, or black-oriented. Christina needs to get over her blond bitch self and add some black to the mix.

by Anonymousreply 7706/22/2010

[quote]Katy Perry is the best girl singer today.

The collapse of Western Civilization is complete.

Bitch can't carry a tune in a bucket, the FUCK are you going on about?

by Anonymousreply 7806/22/2010

Pink is annoying and stupid too. I saw CA's Behind the Music and she was annoying.

by Anonymousreply 7906/22/2010

To the Katy Perry fangirl, you do know her career started with a gimmick that fetishized bisexuality, right?

In what world does that qualify as talent?

by Anonymousreply 8006/22/2010

The rumors about Christina's bitchiness have been rampant since she first got noticed. She's always had a massive ego. No surprise that she didn't get along with Pink who looks like she doesn't take bs from anyone.

by Anonymousreply 8106/22/2010

Pink is a bitch too. They're both annoying.

by Anonymousreply 8206/22/2010

Didn't Miss Mariah make her cry once?

by Anonymousreply 8306/22/2010

Is Pink a bitch in the diva-ish way or is she a bitch because of the tough act she puts up?

by Anonymousreply 8406/22/2010

r63 I worked on Burlesque too. Christina pissed the PA off, I didn't hear that she cried. I heard she started sniping back at Christina when she had had enough of her shit. And then she went to work with Cher.

Christina was difficult to work with if you were close to her as support crew. I didn't hear or see anything but admiration from her toward Cher.

by Anonymousreply 8506/22/2010

Wow all this Burlesque gossip is starting to sound like Karma for Aguilera's cd!

I hate bitches that are flat ass rude to the people that help build their career.

Yes the crew building the sets for your ass to work on are Human beings too.

Fuck her if she never works again She'll only have herself to blame.

by Anonymousreply 8606/22/2010

Katy Perry knows what sells.

Yeah cuz making a song representing your state is bound to get played endlessly on radio , sporting events, beach, and pretty much everywhere.

Plus releasing right before the Summer its going to become an anthem.

Worked for

Tupac & Dre

Mama & Papas

Beach Boys

David Lee Roth

That san Jose singer

by Anonymousreply 8706/22/2010

I knew she was never going to happen way back when Madonna kissed both Britney and her at that MTV gig and not a pip was said about her in the media. It was all Madge and Brit.

by Anonymousreply 8806/22/2010

I knew she was never going to happen way back when Madonna kissed both Britney and her at that MTV gig and not a pip was said about her in the media. It was all Madge and Brit.

Not to mention that Madonna bought Brit Brit a dimond and didn't give shit to X Tina.

by Anonymousreply 8906/22/2010

r61 is right ... to an extent. Whitney's to blame for all these oversingers because every single one of them (Mariah, Celine, Christina, Leona etc.) are all Whitney imitators/wannabes. But Christina took the melisma and oversinging to ridiculous levels. She has zero authenticity.

However, while one may have reason to describe Whitney as "souless" in the 80's, that wasn't the case in her peak in the 90's. She'd started to let loose, especially in her live performances, as her personal life started to go off the rails.

But how bizzare is it that only Whitney and Lauryn Hill personal lives have become messes and their talents diminished? I'm especially sad for Lauryn becasue she made one spectacular album then fizzled like a comet.

by Anonymousreply 9006/22/2010

Katy Perry will be yesterdy's news. Christina Aguilera will always have a career.

by Anonymousreply 9106/23/2010

R91 not true. Christina is yesterday's star. Nobody has cared about her in awhile.

Katy Perry, love her or hate her, is on top of new trends and is keeping people interested in her. California Gurls is genius. That thing will be paying off royalties til the next century. Great pop hook songs never go out of style.

Christina never got that. She thought her voice alone could make it but she chooses terrible material and comes off as an egotistical bitch.

Katy Perry made sure her image came off as someone you could approach and talk to. She's another "California Gurl."

CA has had one of the worst managed careers of someone with genuine talent in this day and age. Doesn't help that she's also a raging bitch who treats everyone like dirt.

by Anonymousreply 9206/23/2010

Give it a rest Katy queen, the Christian cunt can't sing and is a flash in the pan.

by Anonymousreply 9306/23/2010

You tell them, r93.

Another question. Why does Christina have to act like a bitch? She should be thankful that she is still singing.

by Anonymousreply 9406/23/2010

As R81 pointed out, there has always been reports about Aguilera being a total cunt in public. Remember the story Mary J. Blige told around the time Aguilera released Stripped? Blige said she approached Aguilera to meet her at one award showing gathering, and Aguilera, in total bitch-fashion, extended out her hand to Blige to kiss it as if she's royalty. Blige went on to say, "You may be able to singer better than Britney Spears, but Britney Spears is a nicer person."

She's always been a bitch. That's why I savor of the fact that her album is flopping No one deserves it more to have their inflated ego damaged than Aguilera.

by Anonymousreply 9506/23/2010

That story sounds made up r95, but if Mary J. really said it, I'd believe her, she seems very credible.

But the kiss my hand thing makes Christina sound more insane than merely bitchy.

by Anonymousreply 9606/23/2010

Not r95, but I remember Mary J. Blige telling that story exactly the way r95 says. It was around the time CA had that public spat with Mariah Carey after dissing her in that GQ interview.

by Anonymousreply 9706/23/2010

"California Gurls" is a dreadful song.

by Anonymousreply 9806/23/2010

Here's the link R96.

by Anonymousreply 9906/23/2010

Amen, R98....what a shitty song!

by Anonymousreply 10006/23/2010

Britney's prettier than her too.

by Anonymousreply 10106/23/2010

Britney is really not pretty. Sexier (or at least she was).

by Anonymousreply 10206/23/2010

[quote]Oh please, she doesn't need to give it up...she has the best voice of her generation.

Hi, Christina!

by Anonymousreply 10306/23/2010

High five on that, r1oo.

by Anonymousreply 10406/23/2010

I'm sorry, but one's mind boggles at the praise for Katy Perry's vocal talents on this thread. I suppose this makes Miley Cyrus the new Maria-fuckin'-Callas, then?

by Anonymousreply 10506/23/2010

R91 she hasn't had a hit since "Beautiful" years back. Christina may have a recording contract, but she hasn't had a hit single or album in quite some time.

Give Katy time. She's on her sophmore effort and already her first single out of the box is a smash. She may not be around forever, but she'll have FAR more hit singles than CA ever will.

by Anonymousreply 10606/23/2010

R102 Britney had a "presence" that CA never did. At least in videos and performances (pre-breakdown). Enough that people were willing to overlook her obvious lip synching to see her work herself to the song.

Her "Oops I did it Again" (in sheer glittery outfit) and "I'm a Slave 4 U" (with snake) MTV video award performances are legendary. Or at least incredibly buzzworthy at their times. Christina never had a perf in her life that got that buzz.

CA had the voice but no presence and definitely no likeability. When she was sane, Brit was known to be really sweet to fans and professional in interviews and performances.

by Anonymousreply 10706/23/2010

I would agree that Britney had the charisma that Christina has always lacked. I'm not sure I would call that "presence." Judi Dench has presence.

by Anonymousreply 10806/23/2010

Britney was very sexy - dancing and singing on stage, and in her music videos - Christina has never been as sexy as Britney was, and completely lacks sex appeal at this point.

Christina was nice looking before she bleached her hair white and damaged it and chopped it off, and before she started wearing thick gaudy makeup. Back at 'Genie in a Bottle' she was nice looking.

by Anonymousreply 10906/23/2010

I think Christina needs to go back to her "Genie In a Bottle" appearance and sound. She had a girl next door look and sound that appealed to the masses. Her voice on her latest CD is hard.

by Anonymousreply 11006/23/2010

Agreed R109. After her first album she 180'd it for "dirrty" and it seemed like a forced response to Britney. It was like she tried so hard to throw sex appeal in our faces and it didn't take.

She's has a horribly mismanaged career. Too bad since she's got a great voice.

by Anonymousreply 11106/23/2010

My mom can't pronounce her last name. She calls her "Christiner Agrilairer."

by Anonymousreply 11206/23/2010

"Aguilera" was an insult on the order of "cow," "slag,", etc. for a couple of years in Great Britain.

by Anonymousreply 11306/23/2010

Seriously, R113? Any details why?

by Anonymousreply 11406/23/2010

I think it was something Popbitch started, r14--it was around the time that CA was rocking that "Twisted Sister" look.

by Anonymousreply 11506/23/2010

"Top 40 today, except for some country crossover, is basically rap and rhythm, or black-oriented"

Yeah, Lady Gaga is sooooo black. I love it when racist white people try to blame blacks for everything they don't like. Katy Perry had other hits that didn't have any rappers in them.

by Anonymousreply 11606/23/2010

r95/99, my apologies, mate, I thought you were talking out of your ass but that link was a real revelation. I'd never heard about Christina being bitchy. And Miss Mary certainly was having any of it, LOL.

by Anonymousreply 11706/23/2010

r95, Mary is no saint either. Just sayin!

by Anonymousreply 11806/23/2010


Christina will never go back to her "Genie In A Bottle" days. She is so far from it. That was the reason Christina rebelled against her first manager because the "teenybopper" image wasn't her.

by Anonymousreply 11906/23/2010

I know a hairdresser that did Brits hair a few times for various events and he said she was not friendly. She never spoke to him or acknowledged him in any way. Just sat in the chair and got her hair did. So she wasn't a bitch but she sure doesn't sound friendly.

And Christina's problem other than being a bitch is that once she hooked up with Irving Azoff he let her make the decisions about what she would do with her career. She insisted on this. She is aided by that idiot that is supposed to be her husband. He was originally an A&R guy and an assistant to Dallas Austin and obviously has lead his "wife" down an effed up path musically. At one time Clive was interested in handling her music-wise but he wanted too much control and she nixed that idea. Clive then went on to do great stuff with Kelly Clarkson. Christina is an idiot and her ego was huge enough to allow her to believe that she could manage her own career musically.

by Anonymousreply 12006/23/2010

Her problem is that she is not original. She is a Mariah Carey sound alike- then a whole chain of sound alikes, often better than the original.

She lacks artistry. Look at Lady GG- not half the voice but so much more substance (nuts now it appears.)

CA's look is even warmed over everything else. It is a perfect match for the facade that is her music- no subtance- all we have heard before.

by Anonymousreply 12106/23/2010

R120 states:

'and she got her hair did'

Are you speaking English?

by Anonymousreply 12206/23/2010

Did anyone see the recent VH1 Storytellers?

I thought she came off like a total fake ass bitch.

Not good pr.

by Anonymousreply 12306/23/2010

I would argue that Kelly Clarkson has a "better" voice compared to Christina. In terms of raw vocal talent they are probably pretty evenly matched, but Clarkson has developed an honest musicality in her singing that Aguilera lacks. Clarkson knows how to sing in order to serve a song, whereas Aguilera's approach is all about showcasing herself as the singer.

by Anonymousreply 12406/23/2010

Just kiss my hand and STFU, r124.

by Anonymousreply 12506/23/2010

I would agree that the Kelly Clarkson that did Idol had the quality of which you speak r124 But now she sounds like everyone else in terms of vocal performance.

by Anonymousreply 12606/23/2010

r124, I agree with you in terms of the Clarkson/Aguilera comparison. They both have great voices but Clarkson is the better singer because she knows how to use her voice in service of the song.

by Anonymousreply 12706/23/2010

really, R126? While it was her springboard to a recording contract and a successful career in music, American Idol certainly didn't showcase the Kelly Clarkson at her best -- well, okay, her big band number was rather good.

But for the most part, Clarkson sang melismatic covers of abridged Mariah Carey/Celine Dion songs. That's what the audience wanted from that show.

It wasn't until her second album that she really established herself as a credible pop singer in my opinion.

by Anonymousreply 12806/23/2010

[quote]Her problem is that she is not original. She is a Mariah Carey sound alike- then a whole chain of sound alikes, often better than the original.

Mariah and Christina do not sound alike.

[quote]It wasn't until her second album that she really established herself as a credible pop singer in my opinion.

I agree. "Dirrty" pushed that second album to #1. And the video was controversial at the time, because Christina was not a whore out of gate like Britney.

by Anonymousreply 12906/23/2010

I think R128 was talking about Clarkson, not Aguilera, R129.

by Anonymousreply 13006/23/2010

My first comment was directed at r121 aka charlie, r130.

by Anonymousreply 13106/23/2010

I'm watching her behind the music.

I can't help but root for her.

Hell shes one of us.

Everyone hated her even early on in her childhood. She was bullied for her talent. Her father abused her.

She has problems she admitted she has depression.

She does need to work on her attitude having a bad childhood doesn't mean you go around with a diva like attitude.

by Anonymousreply 13206/23/2010

I agree with you in terms of the Clarkson/Aguilera comparison. They both have great voices but Clarkson is the better singer because she knows how to use her voice in service of the song.

Yeah but clarkson has no style and is bland as a piece of wood.

Then Christina has to much style.

You can't win.

by Anonymousreply 13306/23/2010

I would not call what Christina projects as 'style'.

by Anonymousreply 13406/23/2010

I'm sorry but Christina's version of Etta James's At Last song will always sound better than Beyawnce.

Theres no fucking comparison.

Bee just can't bring it and got so much attention for that weak ass shit.

It proves how much of a fucking Gimmick she is.

Without that weave and that ass shes just like any average Black girl with a gap you see walking through the mall.

Her beauty and talent is so overrated thanks to Daddy's brainwashing media.

by Anonymousreply 13506/23/2010

I know a hairdresser that did Brits hair a few times for various events and he said she was not friendly. She never spoke to him or acknowledged him in any way. Just sat in the chair and got her hair did. So she wasn't a bitch but she sure doesn't sound friendly.

Lol this is the same bitch that went crazy muliple times.

She probably wasn't Britneyat that moment.

He probably met one of her United States of Tara Personalities.

by Anonymousreply 13606/23/2010

r133, I dont think it goes that far, they both have great voices. Kelly had always had better songwriters and is a better songwriter herself.

by Anonymousreply 13706/23/2010

I agree with those who say Kelly has the more exciting voice, she knows how to capture the emotion of a song and can effortlessly hit higher notes than Aguilera. While Christina has a lot of power in her lower register, most of the time she sounds like a chainsaw going into her upper register - and continues to sing as if she has something to prove

Can you imagine Christina singing Ave Maria?

by Anonymousreply 13806/23/2010

Also, in regards to the discussion of Britney vs Christina - I think its pretty clear who has won career wise. Talent or not Britney is now an icon to her generation.

by Anonymousreply 13906/23/2010

Nice voice, crappy music, and no originality. That about sums it up for me. She will never earn a space in my music collection.

by Anonymousreply 14006/23/2010


by Anonymousreply 14106/24/2010

Didn't Mariah once refer to Christina as "Mini-me"?

by Anonymousreply 14206/24/2010

R129 CA's early efforts- phrasing style, song selection- were all Mariah Carey sound alike even if her voice was a bit different.

CA has not an original bone in her body, including her tackling of standards. Her music is like her appearance- fake, fake, fake, surrounded by facade. She may not be aware of it- but that is what she is. I don't care how many hight notes she hits.

She's lucky to have gotten as far as she did. Reminds me of Julie Budd was long time ago. Great great pipes but never to be a great singer because no matter how hard she pushed (and she pushes hard) she is a second Streisand- in her case frozen in one Streisand genre, i.e. torch standard.

by Anonymousreply 14306/24/2010

I hate to admit this since I often disagree with Charlie and his arrogant way of dismissing any modern singer that isn't Streisand or Garland (signs of a true aging queen), but he's right: Christina Aguilera, especially with her first two albums, was strongly influenced by Mariah Carey -- something she admitted herself numerous times early in her career before she finally met Carey and got a bad impression from her, which hurt Aguilera greatly since she admired Carey a lot growing up. Her first two albums had many similarities with Carey's early albums and her post-Butterfly albums.

The sad thing is I think had she developed her own style rather than aping the likes of Whitney, Mariah, Madonna, Janet, Gaga, etc., she would be a force to reckon with in the music business. It just seemed like each time Aguilera released an album there's was always someone out there they had released a similar album that's more authentic with better material.

by Anonymousreply 14406/24/2010

Christina's style, even back then, wasn't as similar to Mariah's as you're implying. And Christina has never aped Gaga, no matter what the press is saying.

She does tend to sound eerily similar to certain artists, but this is usually when said artist is producing/working with her. You can hear this on Stripped/Bionic. Both have a few guest artist tracks where she sounds almost the same as the producer.

Her biggest problem is that she takes too long between albums and makes poor single choices. Had she not worked on Bionic for 4 years she would have avoided the lame Gaga comparisons. Had she not forced the release of Not Myself Tonight (it wasn't even being considered by her record company), she would have better sales.

by Anonymousreply 14506/24/2010

Well said, r145.

by Anonymousreply 14606/24/2010

Yes thanks for that r145. And those who say Kelly has better phrasing should listen to Stripped. Walk Away, Unappreciated, Loving Me 4 Me. Christina's vocals on those songs (and others on the album) are better than anything Kelly's done.

by Anonymousreply 14706/24/2010

Aguilera's music style may been different since it was pure bubble-gum pop, however, her vocal technique, regardless if Aguilera fans want to admit this or not -- especially given the fact that Aguilera has stated boldly this fact many times early in her career -- can be easily traced to Mariah Carey. Even when she first came onto the scene the person that Christina was compared to the most, along with Britney Spears, was Mariah Carey. So despite the fact Aguilera doesn't care for Carey as a person after meeting her, or Aguilera fans want to admit the connection, neither can rewrite history and the statements she made to the press when she released her first album.

Christina Aguilera: 'My inspiration, I've had many, again, starting with Julie Andrews at a young age. But, growing up, I sang Whitney Houston songs in talent shows. But, when I discovered Mariah Carey and "Vision Of Love", that was a breath of fresh air and I adored her from that moment on and idolized her. It's really amazing that in articles I've been compared to her. It's truly unbelievable because, whenever I was younger, I would ask my mom, "Do you think I'll ever be as big and sing as well as Mariah Carey?" And now that it has happened, my mom says, "I knew it would happen".'

by Anonymousreply 14806/24/2010

It's good to get slugged in the head and the heart at some point in your career, and release a crap album which people will naturally then shit all over. It's character building. As long as she has that voice, she's safe as houses, and will be back - be it better, or shitter still.

by Anonymousreply 14906/24/2010

That may be true, R118, but Mary J. Blige isn't the only person who spoke about Aguilera's now-legendary rude behavior in the business. Here's a link to Valerie Bertinelli who stated that Aguilera was pretty much a rude bitch to her when meeting her back in 2004.

by Anonymousreply 15006/24/2010

Any performer with a great voice will be compared to Mariah--regardless of what they actually sound like. Mariah may have been her inspiration, but her voice and technique has very little in common with her. Vocally, she has more in common with Whitney Houston than Mariah. Mariah does not hold a copyright on whistle notes, sorry.

by Anonymousreply 15106/24/2010

Agree with 151. r148 sorry you just are flat out wrong on that. I don't know specifically which songs you are listening to say that vocally she has more in common with Mariah. If you want to argue that she ripped off her style then okay but she didn't rip it from Mimi.

by Anonymousreply 15206/24/2010

I'm the one who worked on Burlesque and have posted before on this thread. From what I saw and heard, yes Christina could be a bitch. She was hard on her the first PA they gave her and they changed PA'a and gave her a guy who she got along with fine. Her hair/wardrobe had a challenge but her make up guy works with her all the time and he is a sweetheart named Christopher Buckle and they get along great.

She was fine with the rest of the crew, never bitchy or mean and did whatever she was asked. She won major points at the end of the film when she went to bat for the dancers who were being somewhat abused by the director. It seems that he wasn't aware of the fact that dancers are flesh and blood humans and was working them to death. Christina stood up on their behalf and praised them to the rafters in front of the whole crew.

What I witnessed was a tiny scrawny extremely shy and grossly insecure woman who may be somewhat socially retarded. She was very professional and came to work ready to work and didn't complain. Some of the dancers she was friendly with and some I could see her ignore for whatever reason but she wasn't overly friendly to anyone. Nor was she bitchy. Make of it what you will. Most of us are a mixed bag of feeling, emotions and moods. She is no different.

But her album still sucks.

by Anonymousreply 15306/24/2010

Seriously, I'm not going to sit here and argue about facts with stubborn Aguilera fans about statements that came directly out of Christina's own mouth. (Especially when I've supplied videos and quotes directly from Christina that pretty much refutes such arguments that Carey didn't influence her.) The fact that Aguilera fans try to deny Carey's influence in their last attempt to make her appear "original" and "authentic" is laughable.

One last time: Aguilera's three biggest influence on her vocally are Whitney, Mariah and Etta James. When she first came onto the scene she always cited those three as her biggest influence on her vocally, then citing Madonna and Janet Jackson as the other influences on her musically. The moment she stopped citing Mariah Carey as an influence was when she met Carey and Carey dissed her. That's a fact. Whether you want to think Carey isn't is your choice, of course. We have to remember that early Mariah Carey vocally was radically different than what she is today. Carey back in the early 90s (especially her first three albums) didn't whisper out her songs which gave the impression she had a weak voice. She displayed a very strong voice comparable to Whitney Houston, her biggest rival. This is why Aguilera looked up to the two.

This isn't even an opinion. Numerous critics write all the time that Aguilera is a combination of Madonna/Mariah. So I'm not sure why you two are acting shocked when someone such as Charlie pointed this out. But, anyway, let's just agree to disagree. I prefer talking about Aguilera's bitchy behavior than musical influences anyway.

by Anonymousreply 15406/24/2010

You can be influenced by someone without "aping" their style. Having a high octave range does not mean someone is imitating Mariah Carey. Belting does not mean someone is imitating Mariah Carey. Imagine Mariah Carey recording Genie In A Bottle. Seriously. Similar? No.

I'd also like to know what Christina's voice has in common with Madonna (what?), Janet (What the fuck?), and Gaga (lol).

by Anonymousreply 15506/24/2010

I don't think I said Christina's voice has anything in common with Madonna or Janet. However, her musical approach in terms of using popular music to express personal or political statements, especially through dance and video imagery, can be connected to Madonna and Janet. Nor did I say just because someone can belt they're imitating Mariah Carey. Joss Stone has a high range and she can belt, but I don't think Carey had much of an influence on her. However, the way Christina uses melisma, the scaling, the whistle notes, the growls, the belting, etc., all can be traced back early-90s Mariah Carey. That cannot be disputed. All one has to do is compare Mariah's singing on her first three albums or her MTV Unplugged LP, to hear the obvious influence she had on Aguilera's voice. Of course, Whitney Houston was another major influence as well.

No, Genie In A Bottle isn't similar to something Mariah Carey would sing. However, songs such as Obvious, I Turn To You, Beautiful, The Voice Within, Soar, etc., all have traces of Pop/R&B balladeer Mariah, the type of MOR material Mariah (and Whitney) specialized singing in the 90s. In fact, Christina Aguilera stated she wanted the song Obvious to be released as her first single because it showcased her voice the same way Whitney and Mariah's debut singles did when they released their albums. She felt that Genie In A Bottle did not reflect the type of music approach she wanted to take since she wanted to establish herself first and foremost as a vocalist like her two biggest influences.

As far as the Lady Gaga comparisons, I'll leave that up to others to decipher. But the others I cited isn't comparisons that are new.

by Anonymousreply 15606/25/2010

154/156 you are an idiot.

by Anonymousreply 15706/25/2010

Mariah Carey's biggest vocal influence was Minnie Riperton. I know this is a thread about Christina Aguilera but I have to say that Minnie Riperton was the one that influenced Mariah Carey.

by Anonymousreply 15806/25/2010

r158 I didn't know that. I thought Mariah only channeled her mother.

But yes, Christina is a nice combination of Whitney and Mariah, she leans more to the Whitney sound. She has more soul and dimension in her voice, like Whitney. Every female pop artist takes imagery from Janet and Madonna; they are the prototypes for that. It is unfornutate that she has not found a sound she can really put her stamp on after all these years. This speaks more about the producers in the industry who are just trying to get credits on as many albums as they can, and not really taking advantage of great talents like Christina. And yeah she might be bitch, but so what. They all are.

by Anonymousreply 15906/25/2010

R159 thanks for posting. I forgot how much she oversings, yodels and caterwauls. It's a waste of talent. She has bad habits which she never broke. Christina is in a rough place. Unlikeable, mean, poor material, and when she tries something different it's dismissed.

by Anonymousreply 16006/25/2010

r160 keep in mind that that video about ten years old. She has way more control over her voice now, and it has changed naturally over the years.

lol, Kelly Osbourne might not able to sing worth shit, but even she pointed out that Christina was over doing it back then.

by Anonymousreply 16106/25/2010

Bow-legged as well...

by Anonymousreply 16206/25/2010


by Anonymousreply 16306/26/2010

She can still sing better than almost anyone in the business though. She just needs a better PR.

by Anonymousreply 16406/26/2010

R120 Just because Britney didn't chat to the hairdessers doesn't mean she was a bitch. I know I hate making small talk with people I don't know very well because it's awkward.

by Anonymousreply 16506/26/2010

Oh I'm quite sure Britney's a bitch. She's rich white trash and she's a moron. If that isn't a recipe for "bitch", nothing is.

by Anonymousreply 16606/26/2010

r164, that was amazing. Is that her next single? It should have been the first!

by Anonymousreply 16706/26/2010

I think so R167.

by Anonymousreply 16806/26/2010

If you really think Christina--whose voice is so over-stylized 90% of the time that it's hard NOT to realize who is singing it--is mimicking Mimi, then I give up.

by Anonymousreply 16906/26/2010

R166, you are a blithering idiot without a functioning brain.

by Anonymousreply 17006/26/2010

r164 Sounds like she's losing her upper register at the start of the song from all that growling she's been doing. I hope she starts taking better care and doesn't fuck up her voice the way Mariah did.

There will be a song from Burlesque that is similar in feel to this one called Bound. She does a cover of Something's Got A Hold Of Me in the film as well. Sings it better than Etta James IMO couldn't get it out of my head after I heard it. Wish they'd release the songs now.

by Anonymousreply 17106/26/2010

lol, Kelly Osbourne might not able to sing worth shit, but even she pointed out that Christina was over doing it back then.%0D %0D Oh please that fat cow was jealous of female within a radius of her.%0D %0D She treated the Black drummer of her band like shit when she joined and had to take over for Kelly's free loader friend.%0D %0D Kelly can't deal with Women more talented than Kelly.

by Anonymousreply 17206/28/2010

Britney can't sing for shit, but her voice is easy to listen to. Listening to Christina sing is a chore at best and at worst pure aural torture.

by Anonymousreply 17302/05/2013

Miss Christina Agulara is a lady and with much class.....I belive she is one of the worlds greatest voices.....I would love to here her sing a heartfelt love song with just a guitar a piano and a mandolin....perhaps a folk country song one that crosses all genres...she is quite capable of doing this....just needs the right smoke and mirrors just her fabulous voice just get her back to basics with guitar piano and mandolin and of course her fantastic voice...

A huge fan

by Anonymousreply 17410/09/2013
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