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A Gay Performer''s Experience on Sean Cody

As depressing and homophobic as you'd expect. "Once again I was instructed to not speak in a gay manner. "

by Anonymousreply 275Yesterday at 4:48 PM

Lordie.

by Anonymousreply 206/17/2010

Why should anyone care what a porn actor thinks?

by Anonymousreply 506/18/2010

i always thought gay-for-pay was harmful and contributed to homophobic self-loathing, but now it's for sure.

by Anonymousreply 606/18/2010

Is Cole the new Grumpy?

by Anonymousreply 706/18/2010

He's a whore, darlin'.

by Anonymousreply 1006/18/2010

Queeny voice = woody killer: fact.

by Anonymousreply 1206/18/2010

I concur in spades, R11. I get so freaked out by watching some of the ridiculous positions on SC that the videos become more comical than sexy. And it starts from the very beginning when the performers are pretzeled together talking to the cameraman.

by Anonymousreply 1406/18/2010

I remember when Johnny Hazzard first did videos. I thought he was pretty hot (don't judge me). Then I heard him speak, playing a tough guy. Queeny doesn't even begin to describe it. Seriously, I have never watched anything with him in it since. I think even dubbing in Paul Lynde's voice would have been an improvement.

by Anonymousreply 1506/18/2010

This is why I prefer to watch actual gay men have sex in porn, regardless of whether they sound queeny or not.

by Anonymousreply 1606/18/2010

Be careful when referencing the work of J. Michael Bailey, R8. Much of his work is fraudulent, and based on right-wing representations of homosexuality and transsexuality.

by Anonymousreply 2006/18/2010

Sean Cody's videos are complete shit. There's not one iota of real heat in the scenes they produce. It's all so obviously faked. I'm just amazed there are enough guys who think their crap is hot.

by Anonymousreply 2106/18/2010

There are some hot guys on Sean Cody once in a while, but what I notice is that almost all of them are introduced by claiming that they are straight and have girlfriends, have sex with women etc. Then it's not too long before they go from "I will only do a solo jack-off" to be fucked in the ass by other guys.

by Anonymousreply 2206/18/2010

Personally I don't mind guys who have gayvoice, are on the flaming side or are shy/softspoken as long as the sex is sizzling hot and quite frankly most sites rarely achieve that. Some of the performers I like who arent't the absolute ideal of a macho (straight acting) dude: Levi from Corbin Fisher and Skyler Caine from Cockyboys.

by Anonymousreply 2306/18/2010

Peps, Sean Cody hires killers, him and his staff being nasty homophobic cunts really wouldn't surprise me. I can't believe people would hand over their money to an exploitive degenerate cunt like Sean Cody.

by Anonymousreply 2706/18/2010

I'd like SC a lot more if they stopped the goofy acrobatic positions (and left out the condoms, too.)

by Anonymousreply 3306/18/2010

SC has beeb horrible for about the last year or so.

by Anonymousreply 3606/18/2010

This is why I love 70s porn. Hot men who are into the sex, and even if they have flamebot voices (which is 100% a turnoff when it comes to porn), you don't get to hear them over the bom chicka wah wah.

by Anonymousreply 3706/18/2010

R34= whiniest little bitch pussy of all.

by Anonymousreply 3806/18/2010

Oh thanks for that comforting clarification r28.

by Anonymousreply 3906/18/2010

I love some of the guys on SC: Billy jumps to mind and he is gay and beautiful(with a very gay voice, btw). Kurt, now that he admits how much he loves cock. They do a great job of finding handsome guys.

But the pretzel positions they put these boys in to fuck are not sexy at all. Most times all I can think is "That would hurt, a lot, my neck will not hold both of our weight, especially with him pounding away, contorted so as to be clueless that I am down here on the floor".

What man is so filled with loathing for his own sexuality that he has to roll a guy onto his shoulders, squat over his ass, facing AWAY from him and close his eyes?

by Anonymousreply 4006/18/2010

"Gay porn stars should be silent or dubbed with a voice in the right lower octave."

Honestly, I don't think James Earl Jones can handle the workload, his health is a little fragile this days

by Anonymousreply 4106/18/2010

When did Kirk admit this?

If more of them did -- and didn't follow the same script -- it would be so much better. Pete from that site is a hot little mess.

The latest guy on SC -- Russ -- is very cute, ex-military (looks like a preppy twink though), and there's some passing reference to when he finds women trouble, he's got more gayvoice than this Ryan and is getting fucked already.

And they brought back Mitch to fuck him.

My translation: the guy contacted SC, said he wanted mitch to fuck him, and that's what they set up.

With a ridiculous story to go with it.

by Anonymousreply 4206/18/2010

I don't think "gayvoice" and affected mannerisms are learned, at least not by the majority of gay men who have such behaviors.

How else to explain little boys who already display stereotypical gay behaviors, such as the voice, the hand movements, etc? There has to be a certain amount of inborn quality to it.

by Anonymousreply 4306/18/2010

Billy is a good example R43. He is clearly an athlete. He is too young to have done the gay man gym time post college. So the body and the sports were when he was younger and he still sounds a bit like Chris Rocker when he talks.

by Anonymousreply 4406/18/2010

"The reality is gay men do not want to hear an effeminate voice. It's biological, has nothing to do with social conditioning."

It's funny how various posters here claim that gay-voice is NOT biological, but rather social conditioning; yet apparently distaste for it is biological?

by Anonymousreply 4506/18/2010

I think its hilarious that a bunch of people with apparently nothing better to do in their empty little lives than sit around and watch porn, to the point where they know "stars" by name and their entire body of work, can still manage to summon the nerve to criticize other peoples behavior.

But this is the internets, no?

by Anonymousreply 4706/18/2010

I feel more manly by eating my own shit. Especially after having a few cups of Dinty Moore beef stew and a few sloppy joe's

by Anonymousreply 4906/18/2010

Oh Dear r48, you need to take a break from this Sean Cody site.

by Anonymousreply 5006/18/2010

R50, I actually spend no time at all on that site. I find it boring. I just don't think this is an issue except for people who confuse hustlers with lovers.

by Anonymousreply 5106/18/2010

Oh, and let me add that I think Devon is cute and that his blog made for interesting reading. But what it boils down to is that he's not right for the role they're casting.

by Anonymousreply 5206/18/2010

It's indeed a huge misconception that these models (may it be on Sean Cody, Corbin Fisher or any other site) just have fictional names to save them from being tracked down. They also have fake names, because they portray a mostly fake persona to deliver a certain fantasy for the viewer.

by Anonymousreply 5306/18/2010

Devon's point, which is a good one, is that it's a messed up fantasy:

Instead of having these boys play it "straight" -- what would be play to the alleged core audience and be pro gay is to have them declare themselves "curious" boys who "come out" over time by being introduced to having gay sex. It would totally play to the idea that men who say they're straight are not, just fooling themselves. Not converted, but empowered.

The effort to make these boys play a "straight role" is disturbing. Is it trying to say that straight men enjoy gay sex? That it's more hot than gay men having sex, but only "hot" if they pretend they're straight?

One of their boys, a cute "mostly gay skateboarder "Trevor" who initially said he loved to get fucked had previously been featured quite a bit. He was a good top (probably in short supply), so that's how he was used a lot. Then they tossed him, as if he's not popular or something (too gay?). Then he comes back, surprise surprise, now saying he's mostly with girls.

Pathetic.

The one funny thought I keep having about these sites, especially Corbin Fisher -- which tries to make all their gay boys appear straight by giving them viagra to fuck women a couple of times (or in the old days, giving them straight porn to look at because that proves they're straight) -- is that it shows gay men can play straight men even in the role of straight sex.

It's hilarious to think that straight men for money will do something society vilifies but gay men for money won't do something like eat pussy just for the cash.

by Anonymousreply 5406/18/2010

That said, I wonder about Landon and Tommy. They seemed to have a bit more of a connection than some of the other scenes filmed.

You can just feel a slight difference. It could also be acting though. Who knows.

by Anonymousreply 5506/18/2010

"a few sloppy joe's"

by Anonymousreply 5606/18/2010

Has anyone pointed out that he's a whore yet?

by Anonymousreply 5706/18/2010

[quote]connection

Can this be faked?

by Anonymousreply 5806/18/2010

"Curious" to me for porn, sounds a lot sexier than "Straight" which sounds like comedy.

by Anonymousreply 5906/18/2010

r58

I don't know. That's why I posted this here to see if anyone else felt the same.

by Anonymousreply 6106/18/2010

"I’m sure Fuller kisses girls better than he does boys, and that’s understandable: He’s totally straight." Could this be a case of camouflaged publicity? After all, the article reinforces the idea that Sean Cody's actors are completely straight and that the gay ones are kicked out

by Anonymousreply 6206/18/2010

I was so turned off by Tommy's posing and trying to show how cool he was, but I think it was pretty obvious, R61.

No it wasn't fake. They had seen each other on the site and let SC hook them up -- not just to hook up but to let them both top each other and flip fuck (and neither guy is small).

They were both turned on by each other, had texted and chatted long before, etc. What straight guys do that?

And of course there was little in their BTS vid showing any qualms about getting fucked as they played with their toys.

Conclusion -- both had been fucked before, weren't nervous, wanted to hook up, and posed over the top about how straight they were.

I thought it was a major turn-off. Glad I had seen it for free and not paid for it.

by Anonymousreply 6306/18/2010

No it doesn't, R62. Just as Rylan confirmed awhile back, some may be "straight" (who knows what's going on in their "gay-for-pay" heads -- curious, closeted, fucked up?). But others are gay.

And given how many of these sites there are, there's no way they could keep turning out several videos a week and coming up with eager bottoms without a supply of gay men.

Say what you will, finding straight guys who want to take it up the ass is likely not easy work, no matter what you pay them.

And this is probably true of the rest -- especially the ones who love to kiss and clearly aren't jazzed up on viagra (going soft and getting hard again throughout the vids)

by Anonymousreply 6406/18/2010

I find most porn to be boring. E.g. if you're gonna suck cock, take the whole thing. Don't just swab your tongue around the head.

And you know what - screw gay for pay. Gimme two gay guys getting it on. I don't care if purses fall out of ones mouth, just give me some hot opening kissing, good cock sucking, hot ass fucking (As in, the bottom is rock hard while getting fucked.) and I'm loving it!

by Anonymousreply 6606/18/2010

Yes, R65, for me. And it wasn't just because they said they're straight.

First of all, I don't find Tommy that attractive. (Unlike some gay men, it's not all about the body for me.)

Second, his attitude is so over the top "I'm so cool" you almost want him to be smacked.

But most important the sex wasn't that hot. It was routine Sean Cody sex. Same formula. By the book. No real look of pleasure on their faces, because they were working so hard throughout to look a certain way (confirmed by what Devon writes) that it didn't look spontaneous.

Add to that the talk about how straight they were when as has been said above they clearly wanted to hook up -- yeah, HOMOPHOBIA is a turn off.

In contrast? A hook up between Isaac and Ivan. Even Sean Cody admitted they were hot together... two gay boys almost in love ... and probably hooked up after.

It was SPONTANEOUS, intense, and they were clearly into it, and neither worried about appearing "too gay" while having gay sex.

by Anonymousreply 6706/18/2010

Was AWOL Marines a precursor of Sean Cody?

by Anonymousreply 6806/18/2010

Sean Cody is a has-been site for self-loathing faggot freepers.

by Anonymousreply 6906/18/2010

I'm still amazed that some people still can't wrap their heads around the concept that there are some people who will compromise a great deal for money.

by Anonymousreply 7006/18/2010

R69, who told you that?

by Anonymousreply 7106/18/2010

Isaac and Pete are fairly nelly as SC performers go.

by Anonymousreply 7206/18/2010

is this cole of whopper dick from Active Duty?

by Anonymousreply 7406/18/2010

That's lovely for them, R67, that they are in love. Unfortunately, I don't find them attractive. My enjoyment of these sites, when I enjoy them, is much more shallow than worrying about how gay or mutually attached the models are.

by Anonymousreply 7506/18/2010

Well that's you, R75. As long as you embrace it, there's a lot there for you.

Ivan caught my eye from his photos alone but was even sexier when I saw him have sex.

I didn't think Isaac was attractive until I saw him flip flop with Kurt, and then watched him again.

As with real people, if you take the time and give them the chance, you can find a lot attractive in a lot of people.

And they were sexy to me. And apparently even to SC, despite the freeper self-loathing label.

And Tommy I didn't find attractive superficially or even worse when he awkwardly try to be a poser and prove how cool and tough he was.

by Anonymousreply 7606/18/2010

Isaac and Ivan

by Anonymousreply 7706/18/2010

I think both hardcore clips that feature the paired up models to make out in the bathtub first turned out quite good. But I agree the Isaac and Ivan clip is one of this year's hottest porn clips so far.

by Anonymousreply 7806/18/2010

What is AWOL Marines?

by Anonymousreply 7906/18/2010

I found Tommy attractive, not only because of his body, but because of his non standard face. The acting didn't matter much to me since I knew a lot of SC stuff isn't real anyhow.

But I won't knock Ivan or Issac. I liked Issac too before he was overexposed.

by Anonymousreply 8006/18/2010

I find Pete really cute and my dick doesn't wilt when I hear him speak. Is that biology or conditioning?

by Anonymousreply 8106/18/2010

Am I the only person who puts porn on mute?

by Anonymousreply 8206/18/2010

Well, we don't all have to hide the porn from our mothers upstairs, r82

by Anonymousreply 8306/18/2010

I put it on mute when my partner's sleeping next to me and I need a wank.

I wish they had closed-captioning.

by Anonymousreply 8406/18/2010

Gays guys may bitch about effeminate gays to their friends, online etc. but in a bar situation, if a guy is really hot, he gets laid. Looks trump voice/mannerisms the majority of the time.

by Anonymousreply 9006/18/2010

The self loathing is coming from inside the house. I repeat, the self loathing is coming from inside the house! If queeny guys sold subscriptions, Sean Cody would have his guys mince and prance and do all kinds of things stereotypically associated with effeminate gay men. Sean Cody doesn't hate gay men. Other gay men hate gay men. And if you don't believe that, read DataLounge sometimes.

by Anonymousreply 9206/18/2010

[quote]The truth is that effeminate guys are not widely considered attractive. Just look at what dudes are looking for in other dudes on Craigslist, Adam4Adam, WayBig, JustusBoys, or BGClive. IT's all about being mainstream, athletic, and masculine with no identifiably outward gay characteristics. And the truth is that most of those dudes are effeminate themselves. When someone writes "STR8 acting" that equals big fag.

by Anonymousreply 9406/18/2010

"Even in real life, in a cruising situation if the guy opens his mouth and a purse falls, out, I'm outta there." Why? A guy has to have a deep voice or he is disqualified?

by Anonymousreply 9506/18/2010

A deep voice is not necessarily masculine. There are guys with deep voices who sound effeminate or non-mainstream. It is often about inflection, manner of speaking more than deepness of tone.

by Anonymousreply 9806/18/2010

He's a whore and a hooker. What did he expect?

The client gives you $, you do as they say.

by Anonymousreply 9906/18/2010

He's a whore AND a hooker?

by Anonymousreply 10006/18/2010

R92: You may have something there. But there are those of us out there who don't judge based on a voice.

In my case I'm purely a visual creature.

by Anonymousreply 10106/18/2010

"I don't believe that straight guys have sex with dudes on camera. It's a myth for the gullible."

Tell the truth: you didn't even read the article that this discussion is about, did you? It's very clear there that you are very wrong.

"Sean Cody doesn't hate gay men. Other gay men hate gay men."

Where do you simple-minded people come from who equate "not wanting to have sex with" with "hating." It's just not the same thing.

by Anonymousreply 10206/18/2010

The principle of "opposites attract" was not invented by the gays -- much less by "self-loathing" ones.

by Anonymousreply 10306/18/2010

[quote]Have I mentioned yet that they fucked my hair up? OMG, maybe I’m too gay afterall, but don’t fuck with a bitch’s weave! GOD!

jesus

by Anonymousreply 10406/18/2010

#104, ts, ts, ts, the proper reaction to this would be "MARY!" and I'm sure the quote was intended to be a joke by the blog's author.

by Anonymousreply 10506/18/2010

As I asked above, how come so many of the models start off by saying they will only do solo jack-off videos because they are straight, have girlfriends, etc. but a few months later they are doing sex scenes with other guys?

by Anonymousreply 10606/18/2010

R107 After reading that blogpost, does fucking on film for Sean Cody sound like fun?

by Anonymousreply 10806/18/2010

#108. For some posters it can be the only explanation, because REAL straight men would NEVER EVER have sex with a man no matter how much money is involved.

by Anonymousreply 10906/18/2010

Its a job. They're not fucking in the sense that they met someone, were turned on, and went home and fucked. It's a job, there's a paycheck at the end. It doesn't take 15 minutes and then they cuddle afterward. It is work. It is camera angles. Its a room full of people watching you fuck and holding hot lights over you.

What part of this isn't about romance and this isn't about sexual chemistry, that is so difficult to fathom?

by Anonymousreply 11006/18/2010

What pisses me off most about the blog post is when he tells the tale of how much straight porn is available to the straight guys and how little the selection of gay porn is. It feels like the gay guys should count their blessing that some real (hot) straight guy is right next to them and they don't need any further stimulation.

by Anonymousreply 11106/18/2010

#111 here, which reminds me: Why's there no Sean Cody media selection available on a Sean Cody set for the gay guys to help them get hard?

by Anonymousreply 11206/18/2010

R110

I think it's difficult to fathom for those that are heavily invested in porn, like that guy pontificating on the "greatest porn star" thread.

by Anonymousreply 11306/18/2010

r112

that's a DAMN good question. you'd think the company would have some of its own stuff laying around to showcase when someone asks how the shoot will look as finished product at the very least.

by Anonymousreply 11506/18/2010

Porn is market based on sexual fantasy. Of course a huge amount of consumers fall for that fantasy and are willing to pay good money to visit that fantasy world. Porn and its loyal followers are no different that any other fans of media releases like literature or movies (like those crazy Twihard loons).

by Anonymousreply 11606/18/2010

R116

I loved Star Trek when I was a kid. I never thought it was real, though.

by Anonymousreply 11706/18/2010

Such a cry baby. He sells himself, his body, for sex and he whines about it.

Oh boo hoo, they were mean to me. What a child.

by Anonymousreply 11806/18/2010

Two entirely different things, R117, so it is not a good analogy.

Spaceships are fiction, sex on film is really happening

by Anonymousreply 11906/18/2010

#117, you might not have thought it was real, but there are still plenty of other fans who take the time and effort to dress up as aliens and visit Sci-Fi conventions and discuss warp speed physics.

Yes, some people enjoy the ride and don't invest too much thought or time to the things they enjoy, but others do. The question is: Is it wrong to be passionate about something that is a fantasy/fictinal creation?

by Anonymousreply 12006/18/2010

R119

Read R116

by Anonymousreply 12106/18/2010

[quote]Spaceships are fiction, sex on film is really happening.

Porn is about an adult performance that most likely wouldn't take place without the performers getting paid. And actors get paid to pretend to travel through space in a spaceship.

by Anonymousreply 12206/18/2010

Okay, is the stuff you see on soaps real? Of course not. Yeah, they're technically having sex, but the experience is artificial and not based on anything that would happen in real life. If you're hooking up with a guy, who has to jack off to porn to fuck you, then you really should revisit the road your life is taking.

by Anonymousreply 12306/18/2010

[R110] / [R123] What in the hell is your point?

Everyone knows this. On occasion, it may be some real attraction, the guys just may love sex, but we all know it's staged sex.

The objection that YOU don't seem to get is that gay sex, according to Sean Cody, is not sexy if gay people do it -- not just stereotypically gay, or effeminate gay men, but that these guys, even if they're gay, are being discouraged to say so.

If it were a parody (like these fratboy sites) it'd be one thing. If it showed these guys coming out, it'd be another.

As it is, it's just homophobic.

by Anonymousreply 12406/18/2010

An acquaintance of mine does photography and has published a few books.

One of the models in his first book worked for Sean Cody. He also had to play it straight.

by Anonymousreply 12506/18/2010

Sean Cody thinks it is marketable to have his model pretend to be straight. The sad part is that he is correct.

by Anonymousreply 12606/19/2010

Are any of the models straight?

by Anonymousreply 12706/19/2010

"Tell the truth: you didn't even read the article that this discussion is about, did you? It's very clear there that you are very wrong."

A blog posting does not make me believe something that is irrational. Men who have sex with men on camera repeatedly are anything but straight. Liars, maybe? In denial, probably? Bisexual, likely? Straight, never.

by Anonymousreply 12806/19/2010

Poor r128. Poor, poor r128. How delusion can you be?

by Anonymousreply 12906/19/2010

R128

Have you considered "Hookers?"?

by Anonymousreply 13006/19/2010

Most of the performers on the twink sites are effeminate and they still sell subscriptions. Helix studio is filled with queens and they are making tons of money.

So I guess it's like on of the posters said a while ago. Looks trump mannerisms.

by Anonymousreply 13106/19/2010

R125 - do you know who the model was?

by Anonymousreply 13206/19/2010

[quote]Poor [R128]. Poor, poor [R128]. How delusion can you be?

Is English your first language? You're supposed to wash the assholes before you rim them dear.

by Anonymousreply 13306/19/2010

"Helix studio is filled with queens and they are making tons of money. "

Helix is a subgenre studio that appeals to a fraction of people that Sean Cody does. You are talking about a much smaller audience when you talk about Helix. It's like comparing Papithugz to Corbin Fisher.

by Anonymousreply 13406/19/2010

Bel Ami in their prime would be an apt comparison, not Helix

by Anonymousreply 13506/19/2010

I thought swallowing cum MADE you butch!

by Anonymousreply 13806/19/2010

Here's the Sean Cody profile of "Ryan" the gay performer in question.

Ryan

"I'm gay," Ryan told us. "I'm a gold-star gay."

I wasn't sure what that meant, so I asked.

"Gold star gay means I've never been with a girl or even considered it," he explained. "It just never occurred to me."

He's 32 and single, and was a gymnast a college. And yes, he's flexible!

And now?

"I'm a linguist and a professional writer," he said.

I think Ryan would be one hell of a fun bottom, as he's vocal and energetic and REALLY enjoys his body.

Plus, watch him suck his cum up off the couch. The boy is like a Hoover!

by Anonymousreply 14006/19/2010

He's gay on a gay web site fucking guys. Big surprise. At least he's honest about it.

by Anonymousreply 14106/19/2010

Straight guys don't care what the other guy looks like. Ever.

Straight guys don't worry about the studio staff hurting their "feelings"

Straight guys are easy. They do their job, get paid, and go home.

Gay guys are nothing but drama drama drama!

Exhibit A: This queen's blog.

by Anonymousreply 14206/19/2010

Here you go r142, this is ideal for you.

by Anonymousreply 14306/19/2010

Are large numbers of people still subscribing to these sites, even with the ready availability of torrents/free streaming?

by Anonymousreply 14406/19/2010

Do sites like Sean Cody and Corbin Fisher perpetuate the notion that straight or bisexual guys are more desireable than openly gay guys, or are they just a harmless reflection of the real world?

by Anonymousreply 14506/19/2010

R137=retard

by Anonymousreply 14606/19/2010

I like twinks like I like candy. It's great after a big beefy meal and on Halloween.

by Anonymousreply 14706/19/2010

R148=rimmed Chris Burke

by Anonymousreply 14906/19/2010

If twinks are so unpopular then why are half of the movies that are produced today star twinks. When you add in the European and American markets it's probably half or slightly more than half.

Helix is just one of many twink outlets. Twinks as a whole are probably more popular than jocks. Don't be fooled.

by Anonymousreply 15006/20/2010

"Europeans are not hung up on sexual labels like Americans"

R137, you've just pulled out of your ass, and you've obviously never been to Europe. In the Eastern former Soviet block where most of these gay for pay twink crap comes from, being openly gay is still extremely taboo, and shameful. That's why there are no gay porn stars in the Eastern Block who are openly gay and they only make it on the agreement that it will never be sold or made available in those countries.

by Anonymousreply 15106/20/2010

One of the BelAmi models (Kris Evans) recently lost his day job (policeman) because his porn activities were discovered and it became some hyped political issue during a local election. There are still parts of Europe which have issues with porn and homosexuality, because a lot of people (in the Eastern Bloc) live in poor conditions and are heavily influenced by priests and religion. Europe not being hung up about homosexuality is a wishy washy sales pitch when it comes to European gay porn productions.

by Anonymousreply 15206/20/2010

[quote]Do sites like Sean Cody and Corbin Fisher perpetuate the notion that straight or bisexual guys are more desireable than openly gay guys, or are they just a harmless reflection of the real world?

Both. But, they market to self-loathing, and that is a huge market within the gay male community. To be honest with, straight men who fuck men are not "hot" as much as they are mental, in my opinion.

by Anonymousreply 15306/20/2010

Or gay or bisexual men who refer to themselves as "straight" and tell people they are "straight" when they are fucking guys.

by Anonymousreply 15406/20/2010

Ion Davidov had to leave Romania after his porn activities came to light.

by Anonymousreply 15506/20/2010

Can you give us some citation for that ridiculous assertion, R155?

by Anonymousreply 15606/20/2010

"...because a lot of people (in the Eastern Bloc) live in poor conditions and are heavily influenced by priests and religion."

Really odd to blame the behavior of people who have for generations been completely dominated by Communism on religion. Amazing.

by Anonymousreply 15706/20/2010

Missed some schooling, R157?

The Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact allies clamped down on religious fervor but as soon as it feel the radical religious violence came roaring back. Do you have ANY concept of what happened in the Balkans?

Catholicism played a huge role in the resistance of Communism in those countries and the Church kept up constant pressure on the West specifically on the grounds of religious oppression, which helped demonize the Soviets as much as any acts the oppressors did on their own that had nothing to do with religion.

The Orthodox Church in Russia, despite the claim of atheism and communism for decades, informed a lot of its moral teaching and continues to do so in the wake of Communism's collapse.

Someone needs to get off the internet and do a little reading of modern history. That would be you, R157.

by Anonymousreply 15806/21/2010

"it's the straight-acting guys who hate gay for pay"

Right--queens who "act" like something they aren't hate others acting like something they aren't.

by Anonymousreply 16106/21/2010

I don't believe your premise holds up to reality R163. Every individual dates who they are attracted to. I've seen plenty of guys I'd doubt were gay dating drag queens or just opera queens. I've seen hot as hell body builders dating twinks, or silver daddys and even one or two with nelly things bigger than a house.

The heart wants what it wants. The cock too. Couples run the gamut from matched pairs to total opposites. Just like heteros.

by Anonymousreply 16406/21/2010

God, R158, you have no idea whom you're talking to. And your rant doesn't contradict my statement at 157 that Communism was in power for decades in those countries. Sheesh.

by Anonymousreply 16506/21/2010

This thread is filled with stupid.

by Anonymousreply 16606/21/2010

R160, I think it's the straight-acting gay guys who like the gay for pay and the Nancy (?) Boys - ahem - lol - hate it.

Nancy boy? That is so 1960. I like it though.

by Anonymousreply 16706/21/2010

I like Sean Cody, but I do find that those who use the term "straight acting" about themselves, usually ARE the nancy boys R160.

by Anonymousreply 16806/21/2010

"God, [R158], you have no idea whom you're talking to."

Ceausescu's cryogenic head?

by Anonymousreply 16906/21/2010

"straight-acting guys don't pretend to be anything"

Does this statement make sense even to you?

by Anonymousreply 17106/21/2010

r170=fairy queen. "Straight acting" gay men don't go on about how straight acting they are. A sad bunch of porn addicts and queens who haven't seen their dicks since 1990.

by Anonymousreply 17206/21/2010

That has to be a joke R170, right? Because it sure seems all guys who insist on calling themselves straight acting insist that they are only attracted to straight acting.

by Anonymousreply 17306/21/2010

R174=

by Anonymousreply 17506/21/2010

R174

You should never try to beat off with a stick.

by Anonymousreply 17606/21/2010

I think some of you queens in here might find this of interest.

by Anonymousreply 17706/24/2010

This thread is depressing and homophobic.

by Anonymousreply 17806/24/2010

I don't think it was even mentioned on this thread that on another blog site (queerty?) the vice CEO of Sean Cody addressed the situation and got back on him by posting Devon's real name. That is such a low blow. Not ok in my book.

by Anonymousreply 17906/24/2010

Sean Cody is a Mormon, kinda say it all.

by Anonymousreply 18006/24/2010

FYI. Clowns aren't really clowns. It's all make-up, funny shoes, and a red rubber ball for a nose. People dress up that way to entertain us - make us laugh, but we(well most of us anyway) know that they're not really like that all the time. But somehow, through the magic of the human brain, we're able to suspend our knowledge of the real world and pretend, even to ourselves, that they're really clowns if only for a short while.

by Anonymousreply 18106/24/2010

[R181] = proof that some clowns really are clowns.

You do know those guys are actually guys, don't you?

You do know they're actually having sex, don't you?

You do know that makes it "homosexual" or "gay" sex, and that it's marketed to gay men, don't you?

Either way, if you don't get that -- and the harm this site is doing with its intent on pretending these guys are straight -- yep, sometimes a clown really IS a clown.

Or just an ass.

by Anonymousreply 18206/24/2010

Straight men have straight sex. Period. Sorry to burst your bubbles. If they fancy cock they're not straight. Straight men don't want to near a cock even if they're payed a lot of $$$. I'll reverse the question. Would you do a woman if you were payed a lot of $$$?? Think about it.

by Anonymousreply 18406/24/2010

You just answered the question, R183. This isn't theater, where we all know it's fake. It's lying.

The gay preference for straight men?

Uh, no.

Most of us who are actually gay find gay men hotter and are actually having sex with them, If you're "more" attracted to straight men then the fact that they're ALL just men, that's fucked up. It says something about a "straight not gay" fetish that doesn't need to be encouraged, not to mention the messages it sends ... that people having gay sex are REALLY just straight people doing it for selfish reasons (money, pleasure)... that straight people can be "converted" to liking gay sex ... and on and on and on. Corbin Fisher actually said the latter when trying to sell the site ... Look at these straight men we're making do gay things .... and how they learn to like it.

Well then, no wonder the fucked up closeted freaks are same kind of gullible idiots who think gay people, if they just TRIED sex with women, could learn to like it Let's not admit that these guys might actually be bisexual, or "straight" but coming to terms with their gay sexuality. No, better to prove bisexuals don't exist and that these people who want gay sex are actually straight.

HERE"S A TIP If you think all of these sites could come up with this many "straight" men to have gay sex week after week, you're an idiot.

R182 NAILS IT: They're men, having sex, and gay sex. That may not mean they're all gay, and some of them may be "straight" with some serious fucked up identity issues ... but they're having GAY SEX.

It's not sci-fi. Those aren't special effects. Some of them may need viagra to get it up and fuck an ass ... but the ones that kiss and get into it, get fucked, get hard and are clearly not on viagra as their dicks soften during and right after the sex ..... they're not straight.

by Anonymousreply 18506/24/2010

P.S. to R181..

Christopher Reeve never went around telling people he was really from Krypton in real life. And santas in the mall? It's only SMALL CHILDREN who have to be told the LIE that it's "really Santa" to suspend belief. And even THEY are smart enough to figure it out.

Of course, there are closeted actors who pretend they're straight so homophobic America will "believe" them as straight people in other roles. You know, because no one could accept a straight actor on film and TV is acting.

Nothing homophobic about that at all....

by Anonymousreply 18606/24/2010

To those saying straights having gay sex for money on camera doesn't make those guys gay . . .

*if I'm a vegetarian but I eat meat on a regular basis for a tv show, I'm not a vegetarian.

*if I kill someone, for real, for a movie because it says I'm supposed to - guess what - I've REALLY committed a REAL murder.

*if I am a liberal democrat but I star in a commercial supporting a republican candidate, I've really campaigned for that republican.

It doesn't make it not real just because a camera is on when it happens.

by Anonymousreply 18706/24/2010

Sean Cody is a moron or is Mormon, (same thing), he is exploiting internalized homophobia, something he probably knows a lot about, however I do think internalized homophobia is different from self-loathing.

Anyone who think his site isn't a gay for pay, straight guy gay sex site and that his models' heterosexuality is irrelevant is a moron that needs to be admitted in to some care in the community scheme because they are so stupid they must be borderline retarded.

by Anonymousreply 18806/24/2010

I'm just amazed at the acting talent this "Fuller" guy displays. On the videos he comes out as a sweet and kind of shy guy but, according to the article, he's a nasty douchebag/asshole in real life

by Anonymousreply 18906/24/2010

What R187 has just aptly described is the difference between fiction and a reality show.

If these sites actually admitted what [R181] maintains -- these aren't really straight guys having sex -- they're mostly bi and gay guys who are pretending they're straight -- it wouldn't play.

The comparison R181 is trying to make is flawed. This is billed as reality TV -- those people on Survivor? Not really on the island for 39 days? All done in a studio? That's a different show, where we all know it's fake.

Some of these guys may think that they have to say they're straight, and this is Sean Cody's defense (he repeatedly says "I'm just the messenger" and has backed off over the years from his original ruse) but it's still lame. And a lie.

by Anonymousreply 19006/24/2010

Noboby is saying that r188. We're saying: 1) Those guys aren't really straight. Straight men have sex with women. 2) Homophobes are repressed and closeted cases. They're still gay.

AGAIN, of YOU would suck clit of money??? OOoopps...I don't think so. What make you think a straight man would suck cock or get anal sex??

by Anonymousreply 19106/24/2010

I like to watch hot guys get naked and get it on. It reminds me of when I was hot, and had hot naked sex with hot guys.

What the guys do off-camera is not within my perve-view. I am not watching to judge them for anything other than their appearance of hotness.

For those who fondle the intricate details (What's his REAL name? Does he have a girlfriend/boyfriend? What does THAT tattoo say? Does his breath smell like cigarettes? Is he a Republican/Mormon/moron?) I console you.

by Anonymousreply 19206/24/2010

[quote] "AGAIN, of YOU would suck clit of money???"

Oh, dear.

by Anonymousreply 19306/24/2010

which is ultimately tiresome.

by Anonymousreply 19506/24/2010

Thank you for the kind words, r194.

You and many others seem to confuse pornography with the study of socio-pathological sexuality.

I believe that there is a basic human fascination with all things "forbidden." You can watch a sex scene between two hot men, and only enjoy it IF you think they are doing it against their nature? That is your kink, baby!

It isn't very different from the pie-in-the-face fetishists, or the pooping-in-the-adult-diaper fetishists, or the dressy-messy-spilled-baked-beans-on-my-nice-new-frock fetishists...it's just not as specific.

by Anonymousreply 19606/24/2010

R1991

I hate the gay4pay thing, but we are talking about hookers, not the general population.

by Anonymousreply 19706/24/2010

1991 fetishes are SO last decade

by Anonymousreply 19806/24/2010

well, Hookers are mostly bi and even the few the straight ones would never get engaged in gay sex. That doesn't mean that Straight people having gay sex is a fetish and an fantasy.

by Anonymousreply 19906/24/2010

[R191] I was AGREEING with you. That's what "aptly described" means.

Can you fucking read?

I said that Sean Cody and Corbin Fisher are NOT doing what [R181] is saying -- pretending these are actors pretending to be straight.

They're claiming they're mostly all straight. Which is a lie.

Come on.

by Anonymousreply 20006/24/2010

I've personally never understood the whole gay for pay phenomenon. It's such a stark reminder of how fundamentally not sexy the whole business of porn actually is. It certainly does away with the conceit that the parties involved are legitimately turned on and enjoying themselves, and I can't help but speculate about the financial woes and drug habits that have landed them where they are.

It seems to me that the gay for pay aficionados probably fall across the masculine-feminine spectrum, but that they seem to share a common need to blur the distinction between heterosexuality and homosexuality. That by "proving" that hot straight men will participate in gay sex acts, they (the viewers) somehow become less "other."

by Anonymousreply 20106/24/2010

My theory about gay4pay is that, while it no doubt appeals to the "Ew, Mary!" brigade, it also appeals to gays who they feel they have less options, sex-wise, as a minority. The gay4pay fuels the fantasy of "you can have anyone you want", "everyone is a little bit gay" etc.

I'm not discounting that a lot of gay4pay fans are self-loathing, but I don't think that's the entire story re the g4p phenomenon.

by Anonymousreply 20206/24/2010

the gay-4-pay thing is fine - whatever floats your boat. I just don't like when openly gay and happy-seeming porn models are slagged here. two standards much?

by Anonymousreply 20306/24/2010

Claiming that you can convert a straight man into a gay man is as absurd as claiming that you can convert a gay man into straight man. Those who agree with this whole gay4pay thing are also helping out all the mormons, scientologists, catholic lunatics who claim that they can convert gays.

by Anonymousreply 20406/24/2010

"The "straight guy gay sex" is the whole ethos and selling point of those sites. If you do not get that, you are sir, are an idiot."

The whole ethos and selling point is hot looking guys who take off their clothes and fool around.

by Anonymousreply 20506/24/2010

r201, I don't get it either. The prominence of the bi/gay4pay thing in gay porn has really turned me off the whole genre. I tend to watch more straight porn now, I like watching guys actually enjoy themselves.

by Anonymousreply 20706/24/2010

"You don't want the jock guy to be gay, you just want him to fuck you without compromising his sexuality or his masculinity in anyway."

1) How is that possible?? 2) There are masculine gay men, you know.

by Anonymousreply 20906/24/2010

R208 What decade were you born in?

by Anonymousreply 21006/24/2010

R209, I don't believe what I wrote, I'm just offering a justification to the fascination with gay for pay guys. I have several friends who only want "straight" guys. They go out of their way for guys who are downlow or deeply closeted, they don't want they connected to a "gay" lifestyle at all.

by Anonymousreply 21106/24/2010

The whole "str8" guys doing other guys thing is a fantasy. Not mine, but I don't judge someone else's fantasy. That's where "Devon" (actually Jack ... read on) goes wrong.

Where Sean Cody goes wrong is that they seem to be buying into the fantasy by treating their gay actors like shit while coddling the straight guys who get a hardon for 20 seconds and run into do some quick humpin' before they lose it.

Devon had a good complaint on that score, and once he made it, then Sean Cody trotted out some "vice president" to give out "Devon's" real name to QueerClick, a porn site that then passed it along.

This wasn't some sort of exposure of a hypocrite, a la outing "Rod Majors" as Matt Sanchez when he hit the far right-wing lecture circuit and Fox News. All "Devon" did was criticize Sean Cody, and they retaliated by outing him.

Even though I've got nothing against Sean Cody for their "str8" gay flicks -- hey, it's all about the hardon -- I think it was incredibly sleazy and reprehensible for that studio to destroy their (former) model's privacy.

Anyone who works for Sean Cody, or who considers doing it, ought to be forewarned that their privacy is meaningless, regardless of anything they might be told or expect. And "Queer Click," which seems to genuinely regret what it did, was at the very least incredibly stupid.

I didn't have a clue about "Devon Hunter" before this all came out. I left come comments on his site and on Queer Click's site and on "The Sword," another site, about it, and purposely didn't look at any of his pics because I didn't want his looks to influence anything I said.

The guy is a human being like anyone else, trying to make his way. He's not right about everything, but he's also not wrong. Sean Cody, which I never paid much attention to before this either, is a scumbag.

by Anonymousreply 21206/24/2010

By the way, hardons are simple. People don't sit there and calculate them. I think the "str8" deal is about a combination of masculinity and remoteness. Tough fuckin' machine, something like that.

Of [italic]course[/italic] it's an illusion. Just about every movie of any kind, porn or not, is an illusion. So what?

by Anonymousreply 21306/24/2010

Does "Devon" have a chance at suing the shit out of Sean Cody for destroying his privacy?

by Anonymousreply 21406/24/2010

The gay/gay-for-pay discussion will never have a winner, nor should it. It is more about the personal mistreatment of the bottom that I have an issue with. I wonder if the ones that return again and again would type the same?

by Anonymousreply 21606/28/2010

ff

by Anonymousreply 21706/28/2010

Fun and folly

by Anonymousreply 21807/30/2010

This thread is still around? What about the cum-eating Corbin Fisher thread?

by Anonymousreply 21907/30/2010

r219, I had the cum eating CF thread starred in my watch list, and now it's not there anymore. Weird. I'm 99% sure that I didn't take it out either.

by Anonymousreply 22007/30/2010

Hmm, bummer. Oh, well. Thanks anyway, R220!

by Anonymousreply 22107/31/2010

thank you. The cum eating on CF thread was started by me and no doubt taken down by my haters when they realized it was me and of course they must destroy everthing i do... or try in their futile ways.

by Anonymousreply 22408/05/2011

fdd

by Anonymousreply 22612/29/2011

"Most companies would not hire a known escort or stripper, so it's not surprising that Sean Cody would have a problem with it."

Huh? Companies not in the sex industry may not hire sex workers. But Sean Cody is in the sex industry. So what the fuck are you talking about?

by Anonymousreply 22712/29/2011

yep

by Anonymousreply 22801/01/2012

So I'm about to fly down to san diego and do a video shoot with cody media. I have some concerns.. I'm not going to end up in the back of a van hog tied am I? Are these guys legit? Will I get paid? Thanks!

by Anonymousreply 22906/01/2012

Are you still with us Spicolli? How did your shoot go? Did you get your assigned SC name?

by Anonymousreply 23006/02/2012

Lol. . . yawn

by Anonymousreply 23208/13/2012

Memba me?

by Anonymousreply 23308/14/2012

Cute butts

by Anonymousreply 23601/06/2013

peter

by Anonymousreply 23710/22/2013

They are anything but straight. Only the solo dudes are possibly straight.

by Anonymousreply 23810/22/2013

Are there any porn stars who don't live in Florida? The place is America's gutter.

by Anonymousreply 24411/04/2013

Peter looks better in his mugshot than on Sean Cody.

by Anonymousreply 24611/04/2013

I know it's a stretch to say people who do porn are actors, but basically, that is what they are. They are playing a part, pretending on camera to be something they are not. That's what actors do. If this guy got a part on Law and Order playing a hardened criminal and they directed him to act a certain way, would he be upset with that?

by Anonymousreply 24711/04/2013

wow

by Anonymousreply 25011/21/2013

Anyone hear of a performer named Jett Black? He apparently said something bad about his time at Cockyboys.

by Anonymousreply 25111/21/2013

Even this whiner buys into this notion of gay for pay. Sorry, but straight men don't have sex wih other men. Just like other social or ethnic minorities, our biggest challenges are within our own community. This guy exposing the messes who claim to be straight and the need to perpetuate this notion would have made his account truthful. Neglecting to do that or comment on our obsession with men who identify as straight is very deep seeded homophobia.

by Anonymousreply 25305/05/2014

Gayhoopla is giving them stiff competition

by Anonymousreply 25408/23/2014

[quote]Another gay performer confirms that most of the performers are straight. Unfortunately he, like the other 'gay' performer is ugly as sin and has a terrible tatt of Lady Gaga's "Born This Way" on his back.

R235, that has to be Sean Cody's Brice, aka Connor Kline, who is most definitely *not* "ugly as sin.

The dude is hot as fuck!

by Anonymousreply 25508/23/2014

Not hot to me, bro

by Anonymousreply 25608/25/2014

Eyebrows are FIERCE

by Anonymousreply 25708/25/2014

Naw, he looks too stereotypical and subculture for me.

by Anonymousreply 25808/25/2014

As a gay man with severe mental problems, I only prefer straight men who have sex with men.

by Anonymousreply 25908/25/2014

uh ok, dude

by Anonymousreply 26008/25/2014

l

by Anonymousreply 26109/22/2014

OP, this is why I can't stand gay for pay porn. It's disgustingly homophobic. It's only made for sad pathetic closet cases or guys who are out but who clearly have issues. No thanks. Give me porn with ACTUAL gay men any day. That porn is actually hot to watch too.. unlike the mechanical, fake, robot like gay for pay shit.

by Anonymousreply 26209/22/2014

R262 That's MEN.com!

by Anonymousreply 26309/22/2014

cv

by Anonymousreply 26409/22/2014

Oh

by Anonymousreply 26511/06/2014

Being openly gay diminishes appeal in this industry.

by Anonymousreply 26601/27/2015

[quote]That's MEN.com!

Which just bought ... Sean Cody!

by Anonymousreply 26701/27/2015

"Into masculine, str8 acting..."

Everybody happy now?

by Anonymousreply 26801/27/2015

How much did they buy them for?

by Anonymousreply 26901/27/2015

wow

by Anonymousreply 27005/18/2015

King Brandon is still smokin

by Anonymousreply 27105/25/2015

[quote]Being openly gay diminishes appeal in this industry.

which is fatuous and ridiculous. I now am at the point of only picking porn with proven gay performers in it.

by Anonymousreply 27205/25/2015

r272, how are you gonna do that, dude. there aren't many performers like that.

by Anonymousreply 273Yesterday at 4:40 PM

Good for you R272. Do that with mainstream movies too. The closest and homophobia is wrong.

by Anonymousreply 274Yesterday at 4:42 PM

[quote]Even this whiner buys into this notion of gay for pay. Sorry, but straight men don't have sex wih other men.

Wrong. They most certainly do. Come to Europe, there are plenty of dirt poor Eastern European men who will do anything for money.

[quote]Just like other social or ethnic minorities, our biggest challenges are within our own community.

Oh cut the crap. What "community"?

by Anonymousreply 275Yesterday at 4:48 PM
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