Janeane Garofalo. She''s a type of American girl.
Am I right?
I'm from England but went to America a lot as a kid (70s and 80s) and I feel like I met many girls like her. Kind of snarky. Kind of angry. Kind of chippy. Quite intelligent. Thinking they were original and out of the mainstream but in fact duplicated all over the place.
They smoked cigarettes and pot but not too much. Semi-vegetarian. Gay friendly and pro gay rights, but straight.
When they were old enough they would have moved to downtown NY or maybe a 'funky' district of another American city.
Also, if I am right, do such girls still exist? What happpened to them as they grew older?
|by Anonymous||reply 52||04/21/2013|
They're still the same, angry, snarky and UNmarried by their own choice (supposedly).
|by Anonymous||reply 1||05/28/2010|
They don't have women like that in the UK?
|by Anonymous||reply 2||05/28/2010|
Speaking for myself and my friends only, most of us got gentler and realized the whole angry snarky thing was self-loathing schtick. We still live in the city, still smoke but hate ourselves for doing it, and a lot of us change jobs. I left publishing for nursing school in my late 30's and have never regretted it. A lot of us are loving aunts but prefer cats and dogs to children.
|by Anonymous||reply 3||05/28/2010|
I used to live in London, and this type of girl seemed to me even more common there. The UK version had messier hair and clothes, and drank a shitload more, but basically the same type. Ends up working in editing at a small press or in journalism somewhere.
|by Anonymous||reply 4||05/28/2010|
Do Brits have angry people? They seem so charming.
|by Anonymous||reply 5||05/28/2010|
R5 - I believe you should meet AYB. Angry Young Brit.
|by Anonymous||reply 6||05/28/2010|
AYB's name is an homage to a school of British playwrights in the 50s.
|by Anonymous||reply 7||05/28/2010|
R5: The Brits can be absolutely terrifying hooligans, particularly after they've poured the required 4 liters of vodka and red bull down their throats.
Seriously--I was very careful around those people. The rebound from all that repression is Terrifying.
|by Anonymous||reply 8||05/28/2010|
ayb doesn't seem to angry. more peeved.
|by Anonymous||reply 9||05/28/2010|
r8, I thought they took that all out in the bedroom.
|by Anonymous||reply 10||05/28/2010|
"Daria" was the cartoon version of such a girl.
|by Anonymous||reply 11||05/28/2010|
I love that R3 recognises herself in the description and admits to it.
So, what I'm referring to is a Daria-type?
They never married? Wouldn't they have had one baby, from a bad, long term, on-off relationship?...just before he finally left her and married the other, more feminine girl?
I think the British version R4 is referring to is very different. This kind of person is, in my experience, a product of America. Though she may have spent some time in Europe, maybe Rome or London or both in her youth and talk about it a lot, but would never have actually moved there.
She might have had a job as a waitress when she was younger, in a funky cafe or a very succesful fashionable restaurant. She would have been good at it and made good tips. Enough to pay for her studio apt. in the East Village and live the life she wanted to live at the time, maybe pursuing her photography, which she also would have been good at...even had a shared show somewhere, including many photos of her cats and aged aunt or grandmother and photos of relics of 50s America, disintigrating diner signs, rusty cars...
|by Anonymous||reply 12||05/28/2010|
It all sounds very Gen X. My brother had a girlfriend like that in the early-to-mid 1990s. Snarky, world-weary, but at the same time very ambitious. She had to make do with Minneapolis, but lived in the then-trendy Uptown area (I have no idea what it's like now, haven't been there for years). She dyed her hair black, studied in Montpelier in France for a semester, had a French boyfriend there, got an English bulldog, etc. She became a website designer but was also quite academic and ended up getting a Master's and then a PhD in a computer-related field.
|by Anonymous||reply 13||05/28/2010|
Tell us about the British version, OP!
|by Anonymous||reply 14||05/28/2010|
I agree with R13. OP at R12 immediately made me think of Reality Bites and that whole grunge era, indy media phenomenon.
I feel like Janeane Garofalo is now what she wishes she'd been on film in 1993.
|by Anonymous||reply 15||05/28/2010|
Hipster. That's the word you're looking for. And yes, they still exist. In much greater numbers, but not as authentic.
|by Anonymous||reply 16||05/28/2010|
I loved Daria. Wish I had a fag hag like her.
|by Anonymous||reply 17||05/28/2010|
Janeane Garofalo has that deadpan cynicism that a lot of other girls try to imitate to be hip and/or funny.
|by Anonymous||reply 18||03/25/2013|
I know that one woman who was the drummer for Imperial Teen is now a hausfrau married to a physician.
So many of the hipster chicks got married to wealthy men & many are still very liberal but many are hipster Republicans living in the burbs.
|by Anonymous||reply 20||03/25/2013|
A buddy of mine use to date her back in the 90's. When he started going out with her he said that she had too much bush and he would not go down on her unless she shaved her pussy. Once she did this he saved all her pubic hair and mailed it to me in a ziplock sandwich bag. Still have some of it.
|by Anonymous||reply 21||03/25/2013|
I think the hip and "edgy," but not-quite that hip and Edgy get married and go into some sort of safe job. The ones that were really hip and edgy, well, that's another story...
|by Anonymous||reply 22||03/25/2013|
She was cute when she was the hip and sarcastic chubby chick. She didn't look as good when she went skinny and blonde.
|by Anonymous||reply 23||03/25/2013|
what does she look like now?
|by Anonymous||reply 24||03/25/2013|
I haven't seen her in ages.
|by Anonymous||reply 25||03/25/2013|
Janeane Garofalo is one of those fugly type communists who hate anybody who disagrees wtith them. She is the type of white person who goes out of their way to say they are pro black and condemn white people around them whether they are racist or not to elevate herself in our eyes. She is a racist through and through but she projects it on the other white people around her because she thinks its gonna make us "black folk" jump and jump to her side.
|by Anonymous||reply 26||03/25/2013|
So, is there an English version?
|by Anonymous||reply 27||03/25/2013|
if you're that paranoid with your allies it's a wonder you have any friends at all, r26.
|by Anonymous||reply 28||03/25/2013|
Gen Y Janeane Garofalo types are Daria types. Millenial Janeane Garofalo types are Juno types. It's definitely a thing.
|by Anonymous||reply 29||03/25/2013|
[quote]So, is there an English version?
No, it's an American phenomenon.
|by Anonymous||reply 30||03/25/2013|
My brother's housemate was that kind of girl in the Chicago of the early 90s but cuter. Baby doll dresses, Betty Page haircut, indie bands, and exotic boyfriends from Scotland or somewhere else international. Not as caustic as Garafolo. She eventually met a young lawyer, got married, had triplets and moved out to a McMansion in Wilmette to be a housefrau.
|by Anonymous||reply 31||03/25/2013|
I think a lot of these girls weren't classically pretty when they were growing up, so they made up for it by playing on their intelligence and developed a slightly superior, sarcastic wit.
The heavy smoking was a sort of outward sign of being rebellious.
The black jeans, leather jackets and ugly running shoes were a rejection of the accepted idea of femininity.
I think they probably marry later in life. A much older guy who's been married before and become 'cool stepmoms'.
They'll still be very pro-gay marriage, very anti-racist, stuff like that, but won't actually do anything to make a difference.
They'll have tried to be a success in things like photography, but will have given it up by forty, forty-five.
|by Anonymous||reply 32||03/25/2013|
[quote]I loved Daria. Wish I had a fag hag like her.
These girls are never fag hags. She may have one very good gay friend she kept from high school days or that she made when she waitressed in some hip, East Village cafe in her early twenties.
|by Anonymous||reply 34||03/25/2013|
I don't think you can be a hipster AND a republican, R20. I don't think it's allowed.
|by Anonymous||reply 35||03/25/2013|
Wasn't "Jane" a sort of buzzword for her type in the mid to late 90's? Fiercely liberal, in tune with her own body and orgasm, hip and up-to-date but not afraid of ironic retro touches like hair bows or maryjane shoes.
|by Anonymous||reply 36||03/25/2013|
I remember Marge Simpson attending Janeane's stand up set. Garofalo began "so, I'm on my period.." and Marge exclaimed "oh, my!"
|by Anonymous||reply 38||03/25/2013|
I remember people actually finding her more appealing than Uma Thurman in The "The Facts About Dogs and Cats".
|by Anonymous||reply 39||03/25/2013|
R39 - She was much more appealing than Uma.
|by Anonymous||reply 40||03/25/2013|
[quote]I know that one woman who was the drummer for Imperial Teen is now a hausfrau married to a physician.
I believe she's still in the band. I saw them play in Brooklyn last winter. They rocked.
|by Anonymous||reply 41||03/25/2013|
My grandmother claims to have been the Janeane Garafalo of her day.
|by Anonymous||reply 42||04/19/2013|
If it was not for Janeane Garofalo, there would have been no Lena Dunham!
|by Anonymous||reply 43||04/19/2013|
Most of my female friends are this type of girl. They love me for some reason.
They are mostly in their 40s not and mostly still single.
Jen gets angrier every year. She's now a cycling activist, a writer, and edits a magazine. She hates every job she's forced to take to pay the bills. She still has boyfriend problems. She goes out for drinks with me and regales me with hilarious stories about her dysfuntional family and her ridiculous female friends.
Marte went back to college to become a lawyer/librarian. She has a great job and lives in a swanky condo. Still single, still overweight, still drinks like a sonofabitch. Reads everything she can get her hands on.
Louella is doing very well in her job. She's worked her way up and seems to enjoy it. She's resigned herself to the fact that she will never meet a compatible man or get married. She travels extensively and hangs out with her family a lot more. Still drinks a lot and eats, eats, eats. I've never seen her so fat.
Davina still lives in a fantasy world and gets stranger all the time. She has a boring, but decent job and has moved in with her mother. Still has a crush on her ex boyfriend's brother but has accepted that he's not interested. She's heavily into the fantasy fiction shit and dabbles in Wicca. She seems to be retreating from the world into the world of her imagination. She's the one I'm most worried about.
Juniper quite her crap job and started her own communications and marketing consulting company. She's dropped the punk/hipster look and now dresses very stylishly, albeit with a bit of an edge. Has become very outdoorsy. Does lots of adventure sports like skiing and snowboarding and mountain climbing and stuff like that. Still single. Can still put away the beer.
|by Anonymous||reply 45||04/21/2013|
[quote]They love me for some reason.
You must know the reason. You're just not saying.
|by Anonymous||reply 46||04/21/2013|
UK is full of girls like that, OP. They're emos.
|by Anonymous||reply 47||04/21/2013|
She's just a regular girl born out of someone's asshole.
|by Anonymous||reply 48||04/21/2013|
[quote]UK is full of girls like that, OP. They're emos.
|by Anonymous||reply 49||04/21/2013|
[quote]UK is full of girls like that, OP. They're emos.
No, they're absolute products of America.
Everything they are and everything they react against and for is to do with America and being American...and is to do with feeling they don't fit in with America and everything it represents. When in fact they fit in perfectly and have their place, outside the mainstream.
|by Anonymous||reply 50||04/21/2013|
[quote] Kind of snarky. Kind of angry. Kind of chippy. Quite intelligent. Thinking they were original and out of the mainstream but in fact duplicated all over the place.
[quote] This kind of person I'd, in my experience, a product of America
Uh, no, OP. Kind of snarky, kind of angry, kind of chippy, thinking they are original and out of the mainstream? Here she is:
|by Anonymous||reply 51||04/21/2013|
My favorite fact about Janeane Garofalo is that she married some friend of hers during a drunken binge in the 90's and apparently forgot that they were married until the guy wanted to marry another woman and they had to get a divorce.
|by Anonymous||reply 52||04/21/2013|