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Timmy White, Boy Kidnapped With Steven Stayner, Dies

SANTA CLARITA, Calif. - Timothy White, the youngest victim and last survivor of a notorious California kidnapping saga whose rescue offered hope to parents of missing children, has died.

He was 35.

Timothy White was 5 years old when he was kidnapped in Ukiah by child molester Kenneth Parnell.

Two weeks later, fellow kidnap victim Steven Stayner, 14, fled with the boy, known as "Timmy," and hitchhiked to safety.

The dramatic story was told in the 1989 television movie, "I Know My First Name is Steven."

White's stepfather, Roger Gitlin, said White died April 1 of an apparent pulmonary embolism.

He was buried Thursday in the town of Newhall, where he had worked as a Los Angeles County sheriff's deputy.

Parnell died in prison in 2008. Stayner, who was held captive by Parnell for seven years, died in a 1989 motorcycle crash.

The kidnappings exacted a heavy toll on the Stayner family.

Stayner's brother, Cary, is in San Quentin State Prison awaiting execution for killing four women in Yosemite National Park in 1999.

His parents testified at his trial that they felt they neglected him, preoccupied with searching for Steven.

White lived with his wife, Dena, and two children.

He also is survived by his mother, father and sister.

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by Anonymousreply 81March 15, 2015 8:19 AM

Wow, just when I thought that it wasn't possible for that story to get more tragic.

by Anonymousreply 1April 10, 2010 12:18 AM

That's just sad.

by Anonymousreply 2April 10, 2010 12:18 AM

I sense a sequel to My Name is Steven in the offing!

by Anonymousreply 3April 10, 2010 12:25 AM

When bad things happen to good people.

by Anonymousreply 4April 10, 2010 12:26 AM

Oh man, a pulmonary embolism? That guy had the worst luck in the world! I hope eincarnation is for real, and he gets a chance to live a happy life the next time.

by Anonymousreply 5April 10, 2010 2:27 AM

Not related to this case, but new research is showing that childhood trauma is linked to disease later in life. Generally, cancers and auto-immune disorders. Sadly, if you don't kill yourself or become an addict, you may have a higher risk of pretty terrible diseases. That really sucks.

by Anonymousreply 6April 10, 2010 2:36 AM

Even creepier is that Steven Stayner's brother is Cary Stayner, who is in prison on death row for murdering several women in Yosemite National Park in 1999.

by Anonymousreply 7April 10, 2010 2:38 AM

R7 How spaced out were the killings?

by Anonymousreply 8April 10, 2010 2:42 AM

And if you're wondering what happened to the author of "I Know My First Name Is Sreven": [italic]Mike Echols died in 2003 at age 58 in the Monterey County Jail in California from a pulmonary embolism. He was in jail for failing to appear in court after being charged with indecent exposure, among other crimes.

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by Anonymousreply 9April 10, 2010 2:43 AM

[/italic] (Closing my italics.)

by Anonymousreply 10April 10, 2010 2:45 AM

R8:

Almost 20 years apart. Steven was found and brought home in 1980.

by Anonymousreply 11April 10, 2010 2:49 AM

oh and Cary's actual crimes were committed between February and July 1999.

by Anonymousreply 12April 10, 2010 2:51 AM

The curse of Steven Stayner continues. Everyone he came in contact with has died prematurely.

by Anonymousreply 13April 10, 2010 2:51 AM

R12 Thanks

by Anonymousreply 14April 10, 2010 2:59 AM

That whole thing is just incredibly sad.

by Anonymousreply 15April 10, 2010 3:10 AM

R13, except for Kenneth Parnell.

by Anonymousreply 16April 10, 2010 3:13 AM

Kenneth Parnell was only 76 when he died, dying mysteriously of "natural causes".

by Anonymousreply 17April 10, 2010 3:41 AM

I know his mother and never knew about this until he died this week; the funeral procession was very long; he worked as a prison guard. Sick with a flu for a few weeks; this death came out of nowhere...

by Anonymousreply 18April 10, 2010 5:16 AM

>>>>The kidnappings exacted a heavy toll on the Stayner family. Stayner's brother, Cary, is in San Quentin State Prison awaiting execution for killing four women in Yosemite National Park in 1999. His parents testified at his trial that they felt they neglected him, preoccupied with searching for Steven. No, Cary stainer is a piece of fucking shit who raped and murdered several women because he wanted to, because he enjoyed it. It wasn't because his parents neglected him. Shame on them for having the damn nerve to say that line of bullshit

by Anonymousreply 19April 10, 2010 5:42 AM

So wait, the author and Timmy both died of the same thing? Now that's eerie.

That's like how Evita and Peron's first wife both died of the same disease -- uterine cancer.

by Anonymousreply 20April 10, 2010 5:54 AM

Somehow I think the horrible Kevin Collins kidnapping was related to this whole tragedy.

by Anonymousreply 21April 10, 2010 5:55 AM

I remember this case when it happened and was very upset when Steven was accidently killed. Now Tim is dead, too.

Life is too cruel sometimes. God Bless them both, their families as well. :(

by Anonymousreply 22April 10, 2010 7:28 AM

It's not the curse of Steven Stayner, it's the curse of Kenneth Parnell.

by Anonymousreply 23April 10, 2010 4:00 PM

Proof that neither God nor Karma is real.

by Anonymousreply 24April 10, 2010 4:19 PM

"It wasn't because his parents neglected him. Shame on them for having the damn nerve to say that line of bullshit"

Maybe they felt horribly guilty. Who the fuck are you to tell them otherwise?

by Anonymousreply 25April 10, 2010 4:45 PM

Cary Stayner was having violent hallucinations as early as childhood. It is possible that if his parents hadn't been so understandably preoccupied with Steven, they'd have noticed that he was seriously mentally ill and intervened much earlier on, possibly being able to prevent the murders.

Of course no one can know for sure, but I can appreciate that they feel a lot of guilt about it, especially since they were victimized horribly themselves by Kenneth Parnell.

by Anonymousreply 26April 10, 2010 4:51 PM

[quote]No, Cary stainer is a piece of fucking shit who raped and murdered several women because he wanted to, because he enjoyed it. It wasn't because his parents neglected him. Shame on them for having the damn nerve to say that line of bullshit

Exactly.

by Anonymousreply 27April 10, 2010 4:55 PM

They say pedophiles have a knack for finding children who have problems at home. I think that's why Parnell kidnapped Steven Stayner. There were problems in that family. The oldest son Cary, the one who killed those women, started pulling out his hair when he was 3 years old. Steven had not even been born yet, so tracing Cary Stayner's problems to Steven's kidnapping is bullshit.

And Cary killed 6 people. His uncle Jerry was found dead of a shotgun wound when Cary was living with him and he confessed to beheading another woman, a naturalist who worked in Yosemite.

by Anonymousreply 28April 10, 2010 5:19 PM

Meant to add that when Kenneth Parnell saw Steven Stayner, he saw a victim. Because of the problems at home, Steven probably had a air of uncertainty and neglect about him. Seems more likely that Cary Stayner, being on medication since age 3, was more of the center of attention in the family, and that Steven's kidnapping was probably more a result of Cary's problems among the family rather than Cary's problems being the result of Steven's kidnapping.

by Anonymousreply 29April 10, 2010 5:30 PM

I live in the same area Tim did, and his mother was an acquaitance of mine. Until his death no one knew about this. It was mind blowing when it came out in our local paper after his death. Tragic...

by Anonymousreply 30June 26, 2010 1:26 PM

Steven and Cary Stayner are my cousins. Our family was devastated by these tragedys. Their father just died ... with a broken heart.

We were shocked when we found out about Cary. He was always so nice, quiet and thoughtful.

Cary's father was a kind, gentle soul and loved his children with all of his heart.

The whole world grieved for the families of the victims and the whole world hated Cary, but, Cary's parents lost their son too.

There were no winners in this story.

by Anonymousreply 31June 3, 2013 7:55 AM

Is it too early for a betting pool on the date of death for the mother?

by Anonymousreply 32June 3, 2013 8:42 AM

I watched an hour long documentary on Cary Stayner, and this suck fuck was a het John Wayne Gacy in the making. I guaranty if he had not been caught he would have a body count similar to Gacy's.

Very sad to hear about Timmy White. RIP.

by Anonymousreply 33June 3, 2013 9:30 AM

I know I read somewhere that Cary Stayner was molested by his uncle, and the uncle was thrown in jail for it. This is the same uncle that Cary decided to live with as an adult , who turned up shot to death. Has Cary ever confessed to that murder, cousin Linda?

by Anonymousreply 34June 3, 2013 10:30 AM

To the person who said this

"It wasn't because his parents neglected him. Shame on them for having the damn nerve to say that line of bullshit"

Maybe they felt horribly guilty. Who the fuck are you to tell them otherwise?

by: Anonymoustreply 25t04/10/2010 @ 12:45PM "

This is what the person said

" His parents testified at his trial that they felt they neglected him, preoccupied with searching for Steven"

The person never said his parent's neglected him said. They said the parent's themselve's said they felt they neglected him.

So shame on you for accusing them of saying something they didn't say. Who the fuck are you to call them out for something they didn't even say?

by Anonymousreply 35July 3, 2013 2:04 AM

I met Steve Shatner the year before he was killed. He worked as a security guard at a burger king next to Merced High School. He was a really nice guy and enjoyed talking with my friends and I when we were bored. He was a victim of a hit and run accident while riding his motorcycle.... The jerk that hit him was an illegal immigrant and ran straight to Mexico to avoid prosecution. His family has been through so much..I hope they're doing good......B.K.

by Anonymousreply 36March 13, 2015 6:48 AM

Childhood trauma ruins you.

by Anonymousreply 37March 13, 2015 10:26 AM

[You do realize that this is a troll, right? You might want to stop talking to it.]

by Anonymousreply 38March 13, 2015 10:32 AM

[You do realize that this is a troll, right? You might want to stop talking to it.]

by Anonymousreply 39March 13, 2015 11:56 AM

Cary Stayner was one hot killer. Of course prison has made him old and fat but when he was drawing blood he was hot!

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by Anonymousreply 40March 13, 2015 12:34 PM

I balled my eyes out watching this movie many years ago. It was so weird, it was a really well done TV movie that was incredibly affecting. I rarely cry because of a movie but there was something so sad about this case.

by Anonymousreply 41March 13, 2015 12:51 PM

r17, there is no such thing as "only" 76.

by Anonymousreply 42March 13, 2015 1:20 PM

[quote]I balled my eyes out watching this movie many years ago.

Oh, [italic]dear.[/italic]

by Anonymousreply 43March 13, 2015 1:28 PM

I was 14 or 15 when that TV movie came out and I agree with another poster, it was well done. Lifetime and LMN used to re air it a lot years ago.

by Anonymousreply 44March 13, 2015 1:37 PM

R19, yeah, even Cary himself claimed after his arrest that he had fantasized about murdering women since he was seven years old, long before the abduction of his brother.

by Anonymousreply 45March 13, 2015 1:44 PM

I didn't realize Steven died just four months after the movie aired. That must've been weird.

by Anonymousreply 46March 13, 2015 1:44 PM

The entire movie is on YouTube:

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by Anonymousreply 47March 13, 2015 1:45 PM

[You do realize that this is a troll, right? You might want to stop talking to it.]

by Anonymousreply 48March 13, 2015 1:49 PM

[quote]The guy who took him was the real hero.

Only on DL would a child molester be a hero.

by Anonymousreply 49March 13, 2015 1:56 PM

J

by Anonymousreply 50March 13, 2015 6:56 PM

[You do realize that this is a troll, right? You might want to stop talking to it.]

by Anonymousreply 51March 13, 2015 7:23 PM

[R48] [R51] You're a sick fucking pig and probably a pedo yourself. Get help now before you ruin more lives.

by Anonymousreply 52March 13, 2015 8:05 PM

I had a pulmonary embolism - that nearly killed me - at age 31. I've never done recreational drugs and have never smoked. I'm fit and lean and also don't drink. Sometimes it's just genetics.

by Anonymousreply 53March 13, 2015 8:11 PM

R41 you balled your eyes out watching this movie many years ago because you have a heart.

by Anonymousreply 54March 13, 2015 8:18 PM

Steve Stayner's case is one of the reasons parents of missing children hold on to (mostly) false hope that their child will be found alive someday.

by Anonymousreply 55March 13, 2015 8:20 PM

ummmm, bawled r54. Dope.

by Anonymousreply 56March 13, 2015 8:25 PM

R38, r48, r51= pedophiles

by Anonymousreply 57March 13, 2015 8:27 PM

really explained it. Steven had wanted a dog. The very first morning after his "initiation" to sexual abuse, Parnell woke him up with a stray dog.

by Anonymousreply 58March 13, 2015 8:37 PM

R54, there is no such thing as "balling your eyes out," unless you gouge them out with a melon baller. It's "bawling" for crying, "ball" is a child's bouncing toy. And to the earlier poster, there is no such thing as "themselve's." If you're using a plural, there is no apostrophe. That really bothers people, because anyone over eight or nine should know this and watching people add one apostrophe after another in places where they are completely inappropriate and never used in any context, like "themselves," is really distracting and irritating. Older people cannot figure out how the hell you got through college without knowing how to read and write.

I'm not trying to be offensive, it's just so incredibly illiterate nobody can understand why suddenly thousands of people can't write English. This all became a fad over just a decade or two, before that almost every American knew never to do this, it was just a given.

By no means does that mean anybody is ridiculing a person for being sad, the ridicule was for using the spelling of an elementary school age child that would have been ridiculed by the fourth or fifth grade. I'm not whoever originally complained about this, it bothers me too. You just can't understand how stupid and illiterate this looks to most people. Please fix it because you are saying something really bad about yourself when you don't know the difference. I'm not saying that to be mean, I'm saying it to help you. No employer wants to see this, ever.

by Anonymousreply 59March 13, 2015 8:58 PM

Sorry for the run-on sentences above, I'm sick and on meds that are putting me to sleep.

It's really common for pedophiles to deliberately look for children from broken homes. If offering a child a toy or pet means they have a sex toy to rape at will, they're going to do that. A child is innocent and doesn't understand they're being manipulated. If Steven became attached to his kidnapper, it could well be because the kidnapper manipulated him to believe he was more loved and appreciated by the kidnapper than he was at home. That doesn't mean the kidnapper wasn't an opportunistic, manipulative rapist, cynically lying to an innocent child. It just means the kidnapper knew what to say to keep him from running away.

It's common for kidnapped children to be told their parents didn't love them and gave them away to the kidnapper, or the kidnapper is a good guy saving them from bad parents. That doesn't make the kidnapper a saint. Bad parents and kidnappers are both bad things. It's sad when those are the only two choices a child has.

Somebody on this thread is too pro-kidnapper. Nothing the Stayners did as parents justifies what Steven went through at the hands of a child rapist.

by Anonymousreply 60March 13, 2015 9:08 PM

Part of my post was deleted. The TV movie didn't go into the issues Steven had with his family.

When he returned after a wild upbringing, drinking and smoking to deal with his situation, his parents responded like he was the same little boy that had been stolen from them.

by Anonymousreply 61March 13, 2015 11:05 PM

[quote]"It wasn't because his parents neglected him. Shame on them for having the damn nerve to say that line of bullshit"

Yeah, what a bag of bullshit. I know plenty of people whose parents neglected them, and they're lovely people. What does wanting to murder women have to do with that.

[quote]Stayner claimed after his arrest that he had fantasized about murdering women since he was seven years old, long before the abduction of his brother

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by Anonymousreply 62March 13, 2015 11:29 PM

Did Steven keep up the butt secks after being returned to his parents?

by Anonymousreply 63March 13, 2015 11:33 PM

Is it common to bawl when you are balled?

by Anonymousreply 64March 13, 2015 11:46 PM

R63, According to the TV movie he quickly found a steady girlfriend.

by Anonymousreply 65March 14, 2015 2:10 AM

Do we know much about Timmy's life with his family after he was saved?

by Anonymousreply 66March 14, 2015 10:09 PM

I regularly drive past the property where these boys were kept. It has a breathtaking view of the valley - the first time I saw it I had to pull over and take it in. The house is still off the grid, and for many years has been the home of the prior postmistress of our small town. It's a winding 10 miles to the nearest anything.

by Anonymousreply 67March 14, 2015 10:17 PM

"Kenneth Parnell was only 76 when he died, dying mysteriously of "natural causes"

"Only 76?" I guess you're joking...feebly. At any rate, he lived 76 years too long. The guy was a sick, sick bastard who liked sex with little boys. Why in hell wasn't he thrown in jail for life after Steven Stayner finally fled his clutches with the next little boy victim in tow? That fucking freak deserved the death penalty.

by Anonymousreply 68March 14, 2015 10:40 PM

Deserved the death penalty? Funny no one ever says that about men who rape females

by Anonymousreply 69March 15, 2015 12:50 AM

R69 lots of people say that men who rape little girls should be killed. Child rapist are considered the bottom of the barrel by most of western civalization.

by Anonymousreply 70March 15, 2015 1:17 AM

r70, people defended the Steubenville rapists. People consider child molesters who touch boys to be "the bottom of the barrel" because they think the worst thing that can happen to a male is to be touched by another male sexually

That's why we have "gay panic" defenses but not the reverse. Even the most misogynistic gay man would not kill a woman who hit on him.

by Anonymousreply 71March 15, 2015 1:32 AM

R59, your post about grammar made me laugh out loud, with appreciation.

by Anonymousreply 72March 15, 2015 1:36 AM

John Walsh got a great career out of his wife leaving their kid in Sears so she could go fuck her lover out in the parking lot.

by Anonymousreply 73March 15, 2015 2:25 AM

R71 the Stubenville victim wasn't 7. There were men on this sight mocking a male victim of rape. It was some guy pissing outside at some festival who got attacked by a man or men. People view child rape as worse than teen on teen or adult on adult.

by Anonymousreply 74March 15, 2015 2:38 AM

Thanks R72! It just drives me crazy when I see this wildly incorrect spelling. Unfortunately, people get so sarcastic and mean about it, the people that are erring discount the correction as mean spirited, instead of simply learning from the criticism and correcting their spelling.

by Anonymousreply 75March 15, 2015 3:30 AM

Correct, R57. Pedophiles think, or think they can convince others, that they are helping the child in some way.

It's creepy that there are like-minded types on here.

by Anonymousreply 76March 15, 2015 3:37 AM

With all the nonsense going on in the world, nothing gets my blood boiling more than child abuse.

by Anonymousreply 77March 15, 2015 3:38 AM

Why is that, R77?

by Anonymousreply 78March 15, 2015 3:43 AM

Cary Staner, the mass murderer, was a dream boat!

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by Anonymousreply 79March 15, 2015 4:57 AM

[quote]I balled my eyes out watching this movie many years ago.

I'm with you, R43. I, too, had visions of Oedipus gouging out his eyes. Then I laughed!

by Anonymousreply 80March 15, 2015 7:56 AM

Yeesh! How snake-bitten can one group of people get?

by Anonymousreply 81March 15, 2015 8:19 AM
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