Do you think their impact would have been as great?
What if the Beatles had been black?
|by Malcolm XXX||reply 53||February 25, 2010 5:50 PM|
Their acceptance would not have been as great.
|by Malcolm XXX||reply 1||February 24, 2010 10:34 PM|
They would have been The Temptations.
|by Malcolm XXX||reply 2||February 24, 2010 10:37 PM|
No. It was the 'cute English lads from across the pond' that was one of their main selling points in the USA. If they had been black there wouldn't have been 'Beatlemania'
|by Malcolm XXX||reply 3||February 24, 2010 10:39 PM|
So R3, there are no English black people "across the pond" who could have come over instead?
|by Malcolm XXX||reply 4||February 24, 2010 10:42 PM|
If they had been black, they would've have called themselves "The Roaches"!
|by Malcolm XXX||reply 5||February 24, 2010 10:42 PM|
There were no black people in England back then R4, you should know better than to ask that.
|by Malcolm XXX||reply 6||February 24, 2010 10:44 PM|
They were sure cute as a button.
|by Malcolm XXX||reply 7||February 24, 2010 10:49 PM|
They would have been known as "The Supremes."
|by Malcolm XXX||reply 8||February 24, 2010 10:52 PM|
A black band in the 60's? From england? If you can think of any others, let me know. Otherwise I would say things would be a lot different now.
|by Malcolm XXX||reply 9||February 24, 2010 10:55 PM|
this is a classic in that it is one of those threads that you can tell the gender of the responder by the approach he/ she takes.
Queens make a funny joke. Lexbos try and explain it as some deep sociological issue.
|by Malcolm XXX||reply 10||February 24, 2010 10:56 PM|
Of course there were but to Americans there weren't. "English Lads" were white. Many of their early recordings were R&B songs by black artists. The fact that the Beatles were white made it palatable to many Americans.
|by Malcolm XXX||reply 11||February 24, 2010 10:57 PM|
R9, 60s is plural, not possessive. Did you learn anything in high school English class when it came to the use of the apostrophe?
|by Malcolm XXX||reply 12||February 24, 2010 10:58 PM|
The bangs would have looked unnatural.
|by Malcolm XXX||reply 13||February 24, 2010 11:00 PM|
High school MHB? Maybe that's the problem. They teach it too late now.
|by Malcolm XXX||reply 14||February 24, 2010 11:05 PM|
If they had been black they'd have to have swapped their appearances on the Ed Sullivan show for a gig on "Colored Day," the last Thursday of every month on the Corny Collins show out of Baltimore.
|by Malcolm XXX||reply 15||February 24, 2010 11:35 PM|
Sadly, no. They blatantly ripped off black artists, but because they were white they were acceptable.
|by Malcolm XXX||reply 16||February 25, 2010 12:33 AM|
from about 1962 on, R&B was growing in popularity in the US and was poised to break into mainstream music. British artists like the Beatles had never felt the pressure to make their music "less black" in the UK and once they broke out in the USA in 1964, they and the other 'British invasion' bands monopolized the charts and kept black R&B artists out of the mainstream.
It wasn't a conscious move on their part and few of them were shy about giving credit to the black artists who influenced them... but it suited white America just fine. They did not want their little pale princesses screaming and swooning over black men.
|by Malcolm XXX||reply 17||February 25, 2010 1:20 AM|
what ab out John. He clearly was part asian and it didn't matter.
|by Malcolm XXX||reply 18||February 25, 2010 1:34 AM|
What if Motown was mostly white?
|by Malcolm XXX||reply 19||February 25, 2010 1:38 AM|
if it were mostly gay it could be homotown.
|by Malcolm XXX||reply 20||February 25, 2010 1:41 AM|
Their music would've had to be totally different, they wouldn't have been allowed to succeed at all as a black rock band. Music was very segregated at the time, it still is, but nothing like it was in the 60s.
|by Malcolm XXX||reply 21||February 25, 2010 1:41 AM|
The Supremes actually had more #1 hits than the Beatles.
|by Malcolm XXX||reply 22||February 25, 2010 1:44 AM|
Who are the Beatles?
|by Malcolm XXX||reply 23||February 25, 2010 1:49 AM|
The Beatles listened to black music, but they also listened to Jerry Lee Lewis, Elivs, skiffle, Rogers and Hammerstein, Bully Holly, the Everly Brothers
|by Malcolm XXX||reply 24||February 25, 2010 1:56 AM|
There was no Beatlemania in my family in the 60s, I've asked my grandparents, aunts & uncles. They listened to Motown, Ray Charles, BB King ...
|by Malcolm XXX||reply 25||February 25, 2010 1:59 AM|
I've seen interviews with some of the black artists of the time (when the Beatles first became popular in the USA). The attitude seemed to be a mix of admiration for their talent and bitterness that their popularity pushed black artists off of the charts.
|by Malcolm XXX||reply 26||February 25, 2010 2:08 AM|
r22, actually no they didn't.
Beatles 20 #1 hits on the Hot 100(still the record).
Supremes 12 #1 hits on the Hot 100.
|by Malcolm XXX||reply 27||February 25, 2010 2:08 AM|
What the hell was the Sarg Pepper's band songs about?
|by Malcolm XXX||reply 28||February 25, 2010 2:12 AM|
r25, your loss.
|by Malcolm XXX||reply 29||February 25, 2010 2:13 AM|
r28, 1967. You had to be there.
|by Malcolm XXX||reply 30||February 25, 2010 2:20 AM|
r16, oh bullshit. They did not rip off black artists. They actually gave them more exposure to white audiences by redoing their songs on their early albums. And if you listen to their interviews at the time, they always gave credit to the black artists that influenced them, especially John Lennon who loved artists like Smokey Robinson and Arthur Alexander.
|by Malcolm XXX||reply 31||February 25, 2010 2:24 AM|
I don't believe R27.
|by Malcolm XXX||reply 32||February 25, 2010 2:24 AM|
r30, I was born in 1967, but I don't remember much. ;)
|by Malcolm XXX||reply 33||February 25, 2010 2:26 AM|
I remember hearing the Supremes beat the Beatles in some category r27, their success was nearly as phenomenal.
|by Malcolm XXX||reply 34||February 25, 2010 2:29 AM|
They would have done little dance moves in unison like a Motown group.
|by Malcolm XXX||reply 35||February 25, 2010 2:30 AM|
r34, The Supremes hold the record for the most #1 hits for an AMERICAN group, and a girl group, that's something I guess.
|by Malcolm XXX||reply 36||February 25, 2010 2:33 AM|
I wonder if the "more #1s" claim comes from including the Supremes' #1 R&B hits. The Beatles didn't have much, if any, action on the R&B charts.
|by Malcolm XXX||reply 37||February 25, 2010 2:36 AM|
If the Beatles had been black, then at least one of them would have been able to sing. Sadly, 'twas not the case.
|by Malcolm XXX||reply 38||February 25, 2010 2:44 AM|
Their harmonies were beautiful, even if it's true none of them were very good solo singers.
|by Malcolm XXX||reply 39||February 25, 2010 2:51 AM|
The Beatles were before my time, but there were certainly black people in Liverpool in the 1950s and 1960s. A black rock band would not have survived though - racism was rampant in Britain in the 60s.
Remember Liverpool was the major slaving port enroute to America - this is why Liverpool has some very grand buildings like London (and why John Lennon said NYC reminded him of Liverpool), the city got rich off slavery.
|by Malcolm XXX||reply 40||February 25, 2010 2:53 AM|
Still, they sang better than any rapper.
|by Malcolm XXX||reply 41||February 25, 2010 2:54 AM|
The Beatles were black.
|by Malcolm XXX||reply 42||February 25, 2010 2:57 AM|
r41, good point. If the Beatles had been black, they might have rapped, and then I would have had to have shot myself.
|by Malcolm XXX||reply 43||February 25, 2010 3:20 AM|
Of course their impact wouldn't have been as great. You don't think the first wave of Beatlemania was about the music, do you?
|by Malcolm XXX||reply 44||February 25, 2010 3:29 AM|
R41 Yes in the 1960's had the Beatles been black they would have been rapping, despite the fact that rap had not exist until the late 70's. Is DL getting dumber?
|by Malcolm XXX||reply 45||February 25, 2010 3:31 AM|
I remember watching the Beatles in U.S.A special a while back and in the documentary, the Beatles hit 'Love me do' was constantly being played by the radio announcer. The announcer then asked Paul if he had any special request and Paul requested Marvin Gaye 'Pride and Joy.' When the song came on I remembered thinking that one song came and slammed all of the Beatles' hits out of the water, Marvin's smooth voice was incomparable and far superior to Beatles' vocals. Anyway in the Beatles' defense, unlike Elvis, they gave credit to black musicians and cited many as their influences. John even said in a interview that he felt embarassed performing 'Twist and Shout' because he knew a black musician would have performed it much better.
|by Malcolm XXX||reply 46||February 25, 2010 3:37 AM|
R45 I was answering R38, idiot.
|by Malcolm XXX||reply 47||February 25, 2010 3:39 AM|
The Beatles were very respectful re their support and being influenced by black artists
|by Malcolm XXX||reply 48||February 25, 2010 4:02 AM|
It doesn't matter than none of the Beatles were very good singers solo, their harmonies sounded great. There's a reason you still hear the term "Beatlesque harmonies" because they are associated with great singing, just as a GROUP, not solo.
|by Malcolm XXX||reply 49||February 25, 2010 4:03 AM|
He may not have been the most accomplished vocalist, but John Lennon had one of the most unforgettable and unique voices in rock and roll history.
|by Malcolm XXX||reply 50||February 25, 2010 5:05 AM|
The Monkees would likely have picked a different name.
|by Malcolm XXX||reply 51||February 25, 2010 5:16 AM|
r26, they pushed a lot of white artists off the charts too.
|by Malcolm XXX||reply 52||February 25, 2010 5:24 AM|
black Beatles bump
|by Malcolm XXX||reply 53||February 25, 2010 5:50 PM|