When Did Severe Plastic Surgery Become a Problem in Hollywood?
I'm watching one of my favorite soap operas and while one of the actresses is still beautiful (okay, I'm talking about Tracy Bregman), her face looks horrible. Same with Nicole Kidman, the Desperate Housewives, Courteney Cox-Arquette, and so many others.
When exactly did the transition from nosejobs and dye jobs transition to these hideous creatures we see today? Seems like a fairly recent occurrence.
|by Anonymous||reply 203||01/31/2010|
It all started when Barbara Hershey had her lips injected to look more ethnic when she was in that Jesus movie. Every aging actress in town did a u-turn and headed to their plastic surgeon. The doctor said, "While you're at it, let me give you bulging cheek implants and raise your eyebrows ridiculously high." And all the aging actresses said, "Deal."
|by Anonymous||reply 1||10/13/2009|
Re: Barbara Hershey
My earliest memory of Joy Behar is her telling a joke about Barbara Hershey. The punchline had to do with her not understanding why BH would want to feel like she's kissing Dom DeLouise's ass all day.
|by Anonymous||reply 2||10/13/2009|
Hershey was perfection in The Portrait of a Lady. I forgive her everything. She never capitalized on that Oscar nomination, though.
|by Anonymous||reply 3||10/13/2009|
Joan Rivers brought it out of the closet and made it the core of her routine. By making fun of her surgeries, she made it fashionable not only to embrace it publicly but to demand more....which she did over and over again.
|by Anonymous||reply 4||10/13/2009|
Yeah, she did. Now she's fucking Naveen Andrews!
|by Anonymous||reply 5||10/13/2009|
OP, it happened when doctors realised they could get away with it.
It doesn't happen anywhere near as much in other countries, and I'm sure that's because doctors are not allowed to 'persuade' patients into such ugly/severe cosmetic surgery. Doctors should be hauled before a medical council for doing such hatchet jobs.
It also tends to be stupid people who get extreme cosmetic surgery, they are easily convinced to go under the knife.
|by Anonymous||reply 6||10/13/2009|
I thought Brazil was the cosmetic surgery capitol of the world.
|by Anonymous||reply 7||10/13/2009|
The Brazilian National Healthcare System gives everyone a free nose job at birth.
|by Anonymous||reply 8||10/13/2009|
I think it's because Americans have a warped sense of "beauty". What you consider "hot" sends us screaming the other way.
Countdown to "well, at least we have BLINDINGLY WHITE EVEN HORSE TEETH whereas you ...." 3 .... 2.... 1....
|by Anonymous||reply 9||10/13/2009|
I think Totie Fields beat Joan to the punch.
No one should be getting the kind of work Courtney Cox has received at 40. It's too much. She will never be and look 19 again. Now Cox looks way older tan 40.
I'm not sure what drives these people to take such drastic action. Surely they must think they look better. Perhaps it's just narcissism that blinds them which, of course, may be why some people are in the entertainment field in the first place.
|by Anonymous||reply 10||10/13/2009|
"The Brazilian National Healthcare System gives everyone a free nose job at birth."
And a free wax job at puberty.
|by Anonymous||reply 11||10/13/2009|
What's the term for not seeing yourself as others do? I think a bunch of actresses AND actors have that. They have all that work done and look hideous and they look at themselves and think, "Not bad, but maybe next time I'll go for the complete facelift and not just a nose job, eyebrow lift, cheek implants, chin reshaping and Botox. That'll make me look like I'm 25 again."
|by Anonymous||reply 12||10/13/2009|
The problem is that there seems to be only one look that surgeons can do. Waylon Flowers' Madame Puppet.
|by Anonymous||reply 13||10/13/2009|
Joan Rivers is dating Naveen Andrews?
|by Anonymous||reply 14||10/13/2009|
Good question OP, it seems to have become an epidemic in hollywood.
|by Anonymous||reply 15||10/13/2009|
What's Tracy Bregman done to her face?
Worse than Hunter Tylo?????
|by Anonymous||reply 16||10/13/2009|
It crossed the line with collagen injections.
|by Anonymous||reply 17||10/13/2009|
I think a lot of these people have a sort of dysmorphia about their faces.
Like Michael Jackson. He looked in the mirror and saw a huge nose even though it was so tiny there was nothing left. But he didn't see it in his minds view at all.
|by Anonymous||reply 18||10/13/2009|
R16, Tracey's had the good sense not to fuck with her mouth like Hunter Tylo did, but her face is still comically frozen. She's also had some kind of cheek implants which look ridiculous too.
|by Anonymous||reply 19||10/13/2009|
OP, you can check out the old Tracy Bregman in "Happy Birthday To Me" out today on DVD.
|by Anonymous||reply 20||10/13/2009|
I think the dam burst about ten years ago, when cosmetic surgery really went mass market and clinics started opening up that offered time payments (or extremely low-cost treatments by unqualified practitioners, especially outside of the US.) You started seeing ordinary women going around with ghastly looking scars around the edges of their faces and those horrible lip liner tattoos, and that lowered the bar for everybody. As long as your doctor didn't actually kill you or make your face completely lopsided, it passed as a decent job.
|by Anonymous||reply 21||10/13/2009|
I can remember Phyllis Diller going on the Joan Rivers show in the early 90's talking about her surgeries. At that point, I believe she had around thirty surgeries. They ran through an entire list of all she had done.
And say what you want about her, but she has a damn good plastic surgeon.
|by Anonymous||reply 22||10/13/2009|
For many years, plastic surgery meant a nose job and that was it. Now even actresses in their 20s and 30s are getting collagen, cheek implants etc. It's ridiculous. Who ever decided that injecting collagen into your lips to make them look like a puffer fish was attractive? I have never seen a woman with lips like that who looked better than she did before.
|by Anonymous||reply 23||10/13/2009|
I think when the lead female on a show about forensic science has a face that is like melted plastic, you know it's gone insane.
|by Anonymous||reply 24||10/31/2009|
Plastic surgery can be effective when the aim is to augment and refine looks. Trying to turn back the clock is futile and often disastrous. When the patient is average or even unattractive the results can be great. Look at Roseanne, she looked 100 times better after the facial surgery. Beautiful faces have a symmetry and natural balance, which is often disturbed by surgery. There is also the issue of expressiveness, which most of the Hollywood folk seem to be losing at an alarming rate.
|by Anonymous||reply 26||10/31/2009|
R27 You're wrong Steve. I saw the promos for the new Meryl Streep-Alec Baldwin film and you looked like you were wearing a rubber Halloween mask of yourself. You know, like the Presidents' faces ones.
|by Anonymous||reply 28||10/31/2009|
The real question is, when did producers start giving work to actor with unreal masklike faces?
Facelifts have been around a long time, since the 1920s or 1930s. Those that had good facelifts (Joan Crawford) kept working, while those with bad (Mary Pickford) quietly "retired" from the screen. When did casting agents and directors decide it was okay to give us heroes and heroines who look like rubber caricatures of human beings?
|by Anonymous||reply 29||10/31/2009|
Tracey Bregman looks HOT.
But my god she has certainly changed since Happy Birthday To Me-
MAJOR dental work, even since the mid-late 80's.
Completely wrinkle free.. her surgery is not freaky in the least, but totally noticeable.
But I think she looks amazing.
|by Anonymous||reply 30||10/31/2009|
One of the rarest things in the world: a talented plastic surgeon. Always remember that when you're considering "getting work done."
|by Anonymous||reply 31||10/31/2009|
One of the most tragic examples is Jackie Zeman. Absolutely horrendous. And it definitely short-circuited her role on GH, which was already on the decline before she butchered her face.
|by Anonymous||reply 32||10/31/2009|
I was getting a pedicure yesterday (so what bitches) and reading this month's vogue with nicole kidman, marion cotillard, penny cruz, kate hudson on cover.
on the table of contents pg they had a shot of nicole looking at the proofs on the set.
she looked like the fucking JOKER. HORRIFYING. almost like she was carved out of plastic. the lip job is nightmarish.
|by Anonymous||reply 33||10/31/2009|
Oh 32, God bless you.
Jackie Zeman looks positively otherwordly (in a bad way). The most immobile face and mouth area I have ever seen.
Excellent plastic surgery- Susan Lucci. Yeah, the eyes are a little tight but she looks amazing. She was on The View a few weeks ago, and you know how they do those impromptu interviews back stage under not flattering flourescent lighting? Well they were right in her face under HORRIBLE lighting and she looked awesome.
Jacklyn Smith- Amazing Work.
|by Anonymous||reply 34||10/31/2009|
Hunter Tylo, a complete joke:
|by Anonymous||reply 35||10/31/2009|
I think dysmorphia plus complete insecurity is the answer. Having dated a stage actor and been around them a lot since high school, as a group they are FREAKS for being accepted and loved (or what they perceive as such).
They were, mostly, raised to be the center of attention and thus were constantly praised for their talents, real or imagined. This means that, knowing praise can be automatic, they now distrust almost everything told to them about themselves. They judge their lives by how they *think* others perceive them.
Therefore if they already have some skewed idea of what constitutes beauty, they will aim for it with surgery, then do the same again and again. The same with drugs or anything compulsive/readily available - no one else can be believed when they say enough is enough.
It's scary to me how often I've seen the same behavior in so many different people, and how all parents who spoil their children never seem to realize that doing that to them will, ultimately, lead to the very same thing.
|by Anonymous||reply 36||10/31/2009|
Good Lord Almighty, r35!
That was my Halloween fright, for sure!
|by Anonymous||reply 37||10/31/2009|
[quote]Excellent plastic surgery- Susan Lucci. Yeah, the eyes are a little tight but she looks amazing.
She's had good work done (except the "Asian eyes"), but she looks emaciated and should have stopped wearing tank dresses a decade ago.
|by Anonymous||reply 38||10/31/2009|
R29, I was intrigued by your posting about Mary Pickford but couldn't find any pictures of her with the bad plastic surgery. I did a Google image search and only got pictures of her looking fresh-faced and beautiful. Do you know of any sites with the bad plastic surgery pictures?
|by Anonymous||reply 39||10/31/2009|
Damn, Hunter Tylo used to be so beautiful!
Crazy but beautiful.
|by Anonymous||reply 40||10/31/2009|
I think Meg Ryan is starting to look more like herself. About the worst I've seen in the blond mother of 4 on Desperate Housewives. Last I saw her...she looked like she had a clown mask on. Sorry, I can't remember her name.
|by Anonymous||reply 41||10/31/2009|
Hunter Tylo used to be gorgeous, what a tragedy she had to fuck up her face so that she now looks like a wax figure.
And yes, Jackie Zeman is frightening now. She's had so much bad work done it looks like she can't even close her mouth anymore. Scary.
|by Anonymous||reply 42||10/31/2009|
What's wrong with Jackie Zeman? I think she looks tremendous.
|by Anonymous||reply 43||10/31/2009|
It's a shame what Hunter Tylo did to her face. It seems like the soap opera actresses fall in one of two camps; those who choose to get extreme plastic surgery and those who try to age as gracefully as possible (i.e., Melody Thomas Scott).
|by Anonymous||reply 44||10/31/2009|
I have to disagree about Joan Crawford having good plastic surgery. I think that's when she started to look too masculine, and everyone makes fun of how she looked in later years.
I think that a lot of actors look like recovering burn victims, but I guess after you're around them there comes a point where they think it's the norm to look like that.
|by Anonymous||reply 45||10/31/2009|
I think female actresses do it when they feel they have nothing to lose. They aren't getting work because they've aged poorly so they go for the face lift in hopes of looking young again.
|by Anonymous||reply 46||10/31/2009|
If I was Jackie Zeman, I would want to die.
|by Anonymous||reply 47||10/31/2009|
"I think female actresses do it when they feel they have nothing to lose. They aren't getting work because they've aged poorly so they go for the face lift in hopes of looking young again."
Ironically, they then don't get to work because they look to freaky.
What's the consensus on Meryl Streep & Helen Mirren -- I think they MAY have had stuff done, but subtle & good work, and obviously they didn't overdo it. Both look absolutely fab.
|by Anonymous||reply 48||10/31/2009|
Courtney Cox looks amazing. Of ALL the people you mention, she looks the least like she has had work done. Still looks like Monica Geller only older. And sexier. She actually looks too good to be a "cougar" on her new show. Why did you mention HER?
Everyone else I agree with. And the poster who talked about how these performers see themselves through the eyes of their "fans" is spot on, I think. They have no "center" and will just hack their looks all to hell by bad surgeons, all the while being told how gorgeous they look. In actuality? Freak show!
|by Anonymous||reply 49||10/31/2009|
Meryl and Helen have had subtle work done, but ultimately they were never famous for their beauty or cuteness like Nicole Kidman and Meg Ryan. They know that at this point, if they don't get work they'll survive and if they do get work, they don't mind if it's age appropriate. They're true actresses. The women who tend to go overboard are those who've made their money playing ingenues and RomCom leads.
|by Anonymous||reply 50||10/31/2009|
Who is Jaclyn Smith's plastic surgeon? Or Susan Lucci's surgeon? They obviously can't advertize the work they have done, but I would seriously like to know in case I need some work done.
|by Anonymous||reply 51||10/31/2009|
I think a lot of it has to do with what the camera does. It freezes people, it is ruthless. Women who look fine in real life while animated with life, see a photograph taken of them and all they see are the sags, the wrinkles, etc. - things that aren't really noticed by others or necessarily by themselves in the mirror.
After surgery they look at pictures of themselves and see the wrinkles are gone, the sagging is lifted, etc. That's all they see - they don't see that they look like a frozen mask devoid of warmth and life and humanity.
So, they just keep on going forward with it over and over again. They are not looking at the entire face as an expressive whole - they are breaking it down into all the various parts and how much they've changed.
|by Anonymous||reply 52||10/31/2009|
I agree with R49. Courteney looks amazing for 45. I'd also credit Michelle Pfeiffer with having had great work, and if we're talking soap queens, Deidre Hall reigns supreme.
|by Anonymous||reply 53||10/31/2009|
I disagree R49. I watched the latest episode of "Cougar Town" online last night and I thought Cox had that "joker" mouth. She still has a slammin' body and great hair (if it's all hers) but the face work does not look good to me.
I saw her and a movie with that woman that was the last of the blondes on "3's Co" and I was going to start a thread about the surgery today.
I was just wondering if [italic]anyone[/italic] aged normally these days. Courtney Cox is a beautiful woman with great bone structure. She would surely still be beautiful if she had left her face alone.
It is weird that one of the big things is the face immobility. You would think that would be the last thing an actor -- who's business is about being expressive with their face -- would want to do to themselves. I guess vanity trumps the desire to be a good actor.
|by Anonymous||reply 54||10/31/2009|
Hello #51, dear. My surgeon is Dr. Daniel Baker. I do look amazing!
|by Anonymous||reply 55||10/31/2009|
The worst of it is that the men are going there now, as well, with quite a few of them totally screwing up their looks just as these women have.
What gets me is, don't all of these people see the negative effects on all of the people around them? Why do they think they are immune from these negative effects? It's just sad.
|by Anonymous||reply 56||10/31/2009|
Hang in there Ms. Rinna and Ms. Zeman. Help is on the way!!!
|by Anonymous||reply 57||10/31/2009|
Melody Thomas Scott?
Her eyelift was so exaggerated and poorly done, that her eyebrows were practically up to her hair line, and she looked worse than just surprised. It ruined her face.
I noticed her eyes and brows have settled a bit by now, but her face is not looking all that good.
|by Anonymous||reply 58||10/31/2009|
MTS looks so bad that I too thought she was aging naturally. She has bags under her eyes and everything.
|by Anonymous||reply 59||10/31/2009|
What about Kate from the Drew Carey show? *shudders* ... Cox and Meg Ryan both have joker mouth, Christine Lahti looks terrible, and Meryl will never have to worry about it. Maybe if they, meaning Cox stopped smoking ages ago, she wouldn't need much besides botox.
|by Anonymous||reply 60||10/31/2009|
Just go to the Bristol Farms in Beverly Hills on a Saturday night and it looks like a freak show of plastic surgeries..female and male. I will definitely draw the line at Botox......seeing the cadavers pushing their shopping carts in their Juicy Couture and Chrome Hearts silver chains is unsettling. The only people who look their natural age in that store and are the latino employees.
|by Anonymous||reply 61||10/31/2009|
I don't know what work Lynda Carter had done, but whoever her surgeon is deserves the Nobel Prize in Medicine. She looks absofuckinglutely amazing for being almost 60!
|by Anonymous||reply 62||10/31/2009|
It is a by product of the movement to be hyper skinny. A woman over 30 needs some fat in her face to retain beauty. All these actresses diet like crazy and then their faces fall apart young.
As Sophia Loren said years ago you can either keep your ass or your face...not both.
|by Anonymous||reply 63||10/31/2009|
r61- funny you say that...The one time I ever went to Bristol Farms (I made a u-turn in the parking lot) I saw an ultra scary Joan Van Ark getting out of her car.
|by Anonymous||reply 64||10/31/2009|
R63 - Catherine Denuve said that, not Loren.
|by Anonymous||reply 65||10/31/2009|
Jackie Z's work is so sad. She was so beautiful back in the day and was one of two actresses during the 90s (the other being Vanessa Marcil) who carried General Hospital. Bobbie was the heart and soul of the show. What on earth possessed her to destroy her face like that? Does she really think she looks good?
I guess the longer you live in LA, the more you thrive on self-delusion.
|by Anonymous||reply 66||10/31/2009|
What all has Julie Andrews had done? I'd say at least 3 major facial procedures.
How about Michele Lee?
|by Anonymous||reply 67||10/31/2009|
oops thanx r65. Makes more sence if Denuve said it!
|by Anonymous||reply 68||10/31/2009|
Susan Lucci is pushing 64. Yes, she looks good, but the fact that she still dresses and wears her hair like a 20-something, not to mention the boob job, just makes her look kind of pathetic. You can't hang onto youth forever.
Speaking of the View, Mario Cantone was on it yesterday and he told Barbara Walters (who was wearing a long black curly wig and tons of makeup) that she looked like Baby Jane. The look on her face (as much as she can move it) was priceless.
|by Anonymous||reply 69||10/31/2009|
All of the disaster stories is women who wait too late and do too much at once. The key is to start early, around 33, and have minor things done. So all of a sudden you're 50 and you look 39 and no one understands why.
|by Anonymous||reply 70||10/31/2009|
The key is to start early and do everything at once.
|by Anonymous||reply 71||10/31/2009|
R 63 and R65 Zsa Zsa Gabor said that many years ago. And she would have known.
|by Anonymous||reply 72||10/31/2009|
Look at recent pics of Madonna and Belinda Carlisle..both aged 51.....Belinda has more natural body weight and looks much healthier and younger than the ultra lean Madonna. I am sure they both have had their share of touch ups but the weight thing definitely works in Belinda Carlisle's favor.
|by Anonymous||reply 73||10/31/2009|
At a certain point, doesn't a woman have to choose between her body and her face?
|by Anonymous||reply 74||10/31/2009|
FWIW, plastic surgery is much more advanced these days.
|by Anonymous||reply 75||10/31/2009|
Rick Springfield gayfaced himself.
|by Anonymous||reply 76||10/31/2009|
It's only been a problem since HDTV and high definition digital imaging in general.
Gone are the days when the DP would spread vaseline over the lens for that close-up of our star.
High definition shows every flaw, every wrinkle, every imperfection with alarming clarity.
Back in the days of analog NTSC broadcasting, your small screen heart throbs might give you a heart attack if you saw them IRL.
Now they can have no secret flaws.
|by Anonymous||reply 78||10/31/2009|
[quote]What's the consensus on Meryl Streep & Helen Mirren -- I think they MAY have had stuff done, but subtle & good work, and obviously they didn't overdo it.
Yes, and I think it's been largely minor surgical stuff - a little lift, a little tuck, NOT injections of any kind. Collagen and Botox just lead to freakishness.
|by Anonymous||reply 79||10/31/2009|
Angela Lansbury is someone who looks good. I mean she is 85 or something and looks better than your average 85 year old so I guess she's done something but she is not freakish.
|by Anonymous||reply 80||11/01/2009|
One key to good cosmetic surgery (it's not plastic) to not use an American surgeon (or at least not a Hollywood one).
Lots of European surgeons won't do the 'Hollywood look' i.e. they won't do extreme work, or they work on the motto that a good cosmetic procedure is one where no one realises you've had work done.
I was watching Dr Ray on TV (his inappropriate behaviour with his patients caught my attention) -- well, the results looked pretty crap.
|by Anonymous||reply 81||11/01/2009|
What about Sandra Bullock? She looks amazing and she is 45.
|by Anonymous||reply 82||11/01/2009|
If I were as stunning as some of these actresses are, I wouldn't risk fucking up my beauty.
The younger actresses shave their noses to the point that they look generic and not as striking as before.
The older actresses never look younger. Just "different" and a lot of the times, OLDER.
Nicole Kidman is what? 42?
Jennifer Aniston is 40 and looks 20 years younger than Nicole Kidman.
|by Anonymous||reply 83||11/01/2009|
Face exercises could help some of these people who look like freaks.
It can help make the distortion more subtle so they are so dramatically cartoon-like.
But of course when someone is as fucked up as Jackie Zeman, even a big improvement would still leave her looking freakish.
The idea about a super-thin person needing some fat in the face is the principle that makes Flex-Effect work.
Face exercises with resistance builds muscle, so it can fill out the skin and reduce or eliminate that gaunt look while minimizing things like the naso-labial folds -- parenthesis-like folds on each side of the mouth.
BTW, face exercises can also do some fantastic things like make the cheekbones more pronounced.
I would swear on my grandmother's grave Hillary Clinton was doing a few face exercises during the campaign last year.
I think she's stopped now, because she no longer has that pronounced and sharply defined hollow under her cheekbones.
It's been said several times, but why would a director hire an actor (male or female) who looks like a surgical freak? Who can watch a film -- or even the red-carpet at an awards event -- while all you can think of is how freakish the actor looks?
Lisa Renna has taken on the comments about her lips like George Hamilton and his tan, as if acknowledging her lips look stupid makes them look less stupid.
|by Anonymous||reply 84||11/01/2009|
[quote]It can help make the distortion more subtle so they are so dramatically cartoon-like.
Oops! Should be: It can help make the distortion more subtle so they are NOT so dramatically cartoon-like.
|by Anonymous||reply 85||11/01/2009|
Men should not have plastic surgery under any circumstances!
The British actresses do it VERY subtly: Judi Dench, Helen Mirren, Diana Rigg, Julie Christie, Vanessa and Lynn Redgrave, Maggie Smith, et. al......and they look like beautiful older versions of themselves.
|by Anonymous||reply 86||11/01/2009|
r86, this probably explains why the older British actresses play a disproportionate number of older female roles in Hollywood movies; all the American actresses have messed up their faces.
I'm trying to think of some American actresses who look naturally older and good.. Meryl Streep, Kathy Bates, Tyne Daley (although Tyne looks like she's recently had subtle work done).
|by Anonymous||reply 87||11/01/2009|
I think the problem isn't that they don't have good surgeons technically because I'm sure they have the money to get the best doctors. The problem is they overdo it! They get facelifts/browlifts too soon and repeat it too soon. They simply do too much. Look at Nicole Kidman - she's ruined her face. She started about 7 years ago when she split with that nut and never stopped. Had she just gotten Bottox it wouldn't have been so bad but I'd bet my left tit she got a facelift too, one she never needed. She gets bottox, she inflated those lips and it looks ridiculous. I also think she has collagen in her nasal lines. She doesn't look human and looks way older than her age now. I bet that if she has left her face alone, she would have looked younger than her age.
They are all afraid of losing their youth, sexappeal, beauty and with it the roles and money.
|by Anonymous||reply 88||11/01/2009|
It became a problem when Bruce Jenner came out of it looking like a lesbian.
|by Anonymous||reply 89||11/01/2009|
Rick Springfield looks like an aging Jacqueline Bisset with a beard. OMG
|by Anonymous||reply 90||11/01/2009|
r88, they aren't good surgeons though, because a good surgeon would have the ethical and professional standards to tell them they've had enough surgery, or that further surgery will result in an artifcial look, which will ultimately damage their career. Even from a business point of view, a surgeon does not want a butchery/extreme example of their work on a celebrity. Who's going to ask Meg Ryan to recommend her surgeon?
|by Anonymous||reply 91||11/01/2009|
R91, I totally agree with you - they are unethical. What I was trying to say is that it's not their technical skills that are lacking, it's their conscience.
I guess they are afraid of saying "no" to these rich, famous people.
|by Anonymous||reply 92||11/01/2009|
The thing is, some of these people owe their careers to plastic surgery in the first place. Actresses like Michelle Pfeiffer and Jennifer Aniston would never have gotten their careers off the ground without good nose jobs, so the idea that "plastic surgery equals career advancement" is already in their brains.
And you know how the human brain works - once it has the idea that something will help, the person will try it over and over again even though the results were only good the first time. No, they'll try again and again, hoping the change will be as good as the first time, and then they'll try some more to fix the bad work.
There's also the fact that people who are actually good-looking tend to focus too much on their flaws, so if all they care about is that the surgeon has made the 'flaw' go away, they aren't good judges of when the overall beauty is damaged. They never really saw the beauty to begin with.
|by Anonymous||reply 93||11/01/2009|
I blame the surgeons. How can they look at themslves in the mirror, after they have destroyed someones face? I look at Bruce Jenner and he looks like maybe he was the victim in a fire and a doctor tried to repair him. It's horrid. When it's done in a small way, a little at a time...it may look better but some surgeons don't know what they are doing and some people will never be good candidates. Anyway, that mask look...god, that's awful.
Actually, those ugly puffy lips are the absolute worst.
|by Anonymous||reply 94||11/01/2009|
I read an article about this. Psychologists call it "plastic surgery creep."
They look at their faces in the mirror every day (shudder), so the differences aren't as drastic to them as they are to us.
They're also surrounded by other people who also have plastic surgery.
I think they don't know how bad it looks. Or if they do, it's too late by then.
|by Anonymous||reply 95||11/01/2009|
Why has nobody commented on the (very good) work that homosexual George Clooney had done about two years ago? Facelift and chin implant and maybe more. No comment because the work was very very good.
|by Anonymous||reply 96||11/01/2009|
OMG, poor Jackie Z. I haven't watched General Hospital since the 1980's but I remember her. What is wrong with her eyes in that picture? It looks like they've been carved.
|by Anonymous||reply 97||11/01/2009|
It's not the nose, eye and face lifts per se (which I think the British and Meryl stop at), it's the injectables, fillers and implants on top of all that work.
I think because of the lower price point of getting injectables, fillers and implants (oh my!), everyone CAN and DOES get them. Those tend to distort the face more than major surgery would. And you can get all that crap at medi-spas.
I've worked with actresses in their 20's getting botox and fillers already, on top of the nose and boob jobs. It's ridiculous.
|by Anonymous||reply 98||11/01/2009|
I don't know what you're talking about. I haven't looked this good in years.
|by Anonymous||reply 99||11/01/2009|
Another older actress who hasn't screwed up her face is Diane Keaton. But what's distracting about her is her aging Annie Hall look and mannerisms. Otherwise, her face is still great--she's an attractive 60 year old woman with mobile features.
|by Anonymous||reply 100||11/01/2009|
To the Canadians here: What do you think about Leah Miller? (MM VJ and SYTYCD host) Preventative botox? She's 27 or 28 years old.
|by Anonymous||reply 101||11/01/2009|
Joan Collins looks terrific and could easily pass for early mid forties.
|by Anonymous||reply 102||11/01/2009|
"Joan Collins looks terrific and could easily pass for early mid forties."
Maybe from a distance and after 2 intense hours with her makeup/spackling expert and the wig guy and the guy who tapes her face under the wig.
|by Anonymous||reply 103||11/01/2009|
r93, you're right, it can advance careers. Kathy Griffin tells the tale of Lisa Kudrow, who was a struggling actress often showing up to auditions with Kathy. Then one day she has a breast enlargement, and dyes her hair blonde, and got a part on Mad About You.
But, there is a huge difference between a nose or tit job, and the 'severe' cosmetic surgery some celebs are undergoing.
r102, Joan Collins definitely looks in her 60s.
|by Anonymous||reply 104||11/01/2009|
Don't forget about me, dears.
|by Anonymous||reply 105||11/01/2009|
r9, r98tare right: it's the injections and implants that created these startling freaks, along with being underweight.
A good nip and tuck is the only thing that shaves a few years off. That, and the occasional sandwich.
|by Anonymous||reply 106||11/01/2009|
I saw Julian McMahon's character on Nip/Tuck fuck with either Daphne Zuniga or Paula Marshall on an episode once; in no time, he had her convinced all she needed was a little work done.
THe trick is in getting just a little done.
Not a lot.
|by Anonymous||reply 107||11/01/2009|
Joan van Ark is a BEAST. What exactly did she and the plastic surgeon have in mind?
|by Anonymous||reply 108||11/01/2009|
dude hes 5 sec away from doing spirit fingers.
|by Anonymous||reply 109||11/01/2009|
What about Kate from the Drew Carey show?
Karma for fucking with Chyna
|by Anonymous||reply 110||11/01/2009|
[quote]It's not the nose, eye and face lifts per se (which I think the British and Meryl stop at), it's the injectables, fillers and implants on top of all that work.
What are all these injectables and fillers supposed to do?
What are they exactly? They sound horrible.
|by Anonymous||reply 111||11/01/2009|
All young women have a certain amount of natural fat in their faces. Thin faces tend to look older.
|by Anonymous||reply 112||11/01/2009|
R111, fillers do basically what you think: they "fill" in areas of the face. As you get older, particularly once you hit 35, the collagen in your skin starts to sag, and as a result the fat pockets in your face that give you a youthful look start sagging as well. Injectables fill in the areas of the face where the loss of fat has either left a sunken look (e.g. underneath the lower eyelids) or resulted in heavy wrinkles (e.g. frown lines). Botox isn't a filler, but it's designed to relax, and thus erase, wrinkles in specific areas, e.g. forehead and crow's feet.
I'm hard-pressed to think of any actresses over 40 who don't use them nowadays, or at least any who are still in the popular limelight. The Desperate Hausfrauen, Sandra Bullock, Courteney Cox, Maniston, Renee Zellweger, Kidman, Madonna, Kylie, Mariah, etc etc etc - all have had it, often as a precursor to major surgery (e.g. Madonna's cheek implants).
|by Anonymous||reply 113||11/01/2009|
It's the lip work that I find most strange - particularly the 'trout pout'. Just a few too many injections in the lip area can completely change the character of a face.
Meg Ryan is a good example.
|by Anonymous||reply 114||11/01/2009|
The thing is, plastic surgery is pointless once you reach a certain age. Nothing, but nothing can turn the clock back. The only thing that helps is good genes. Everything else is a con. In fact early plastic surgery doesn't work either because people think you must be older if you have had some work done.
If Sharon Stone walks into a room followed by a stunning young 20 year old nobody, every straight man will want the young chick. Age with dignity and at least you will have some self respect. Desperation is ugly.
|by Anonymous||reply 115||11/01/2009|
Do they take that shit out when you die? I always wonder if, far in the future, they would open up a casket and find a bunch of silicone bags.
|by Anonymous||reply 116||11/01/2009|
A friend is a huge fan of Olivia Newton John. Goes to any concert she performs within a 300 mile radius. Always gets front row seats.
But his Olivia lust stopped after she got plastic surgery. Says she looks horrid and she's no longer the singer he fell in love with as a little gay boy back in the 70s.
We now joke that he should take up a collection for the restoration of her face.
|by Anonymous||reply 117||11/01/2009|
R45, Joan Crawford first had surgery back in her silent film days. She had a little nose work and her teeth fixed, and probably some of her back teeth taken out to give her cheekbones some definition. She was wildly insecure about her looks, and even in the mid-30s was starting to wear heavy makeup, overdone lipstick, and ridiculous eyelashes out of fear of not looking young enough. I don't remember when she had more surgery in the 40s, but it wasn't that bad. She looks good in "Harriet Craig" but starts to look odd in "Johnny Guitar", and it was all because of the severe makeup and hairstyle that she insisted on.
|by Anonymous||reply 119||11/01/2009|
Crawford's heavy drinking and smoking also caught up with her looks by the 1950s. The same thing happened to Bette Davis at the same time.
|by Anonymous||reply 120||11/01/2009|
Kenny Rogers trashed his face.
|by Anonymous||reply 121||11/01/2009|
"But his Olivia lust stopped after she got plastic surgery. Says she looks horrid and she's no longer the singer he fell in love with as a little gay boy back in the 70s."
Her plastic surgery is puzzling because she was aging quite nicely
|by Anonymous||reply 122||11/01/2009|
Joan Van Ark looks worse than anyone. Why did she do that to herself?
|by Anonymous||reply 123||11/01/2009|
That woofy Dr. Arnold Klein is his own best patient.
|by Anonymous||reply 124||11/01/2009|
[quote] Do they take that shit out when you die? I always wonder if, far in the future, they would open up a casket and find a bunch of silicone bags.
Sometimes. A few years ago when I arranged cremation for a deceased relative, the mortuary wanted to know if he had any medical implants. Bottom line: burning them apparently creates problems either with the oven, or with air quality.
|by Anonymous||reply 125||11/01/2009|
"Sometimes. A few years ago when I arranged cremation for a deceased relative, the mortuary wanted to know if he had any medical implants. Bottom line: burning them apparently creates problems either with the oven, or with air quality."
This makes me wonder what happened to Michael Jackson's cheekbone implants and chin implant
|by Anonymous||reply 126||11/01/2009|
The two who look the worst are Nicole Kidman & MaDonna. Their plastic surgeries only highlight how BAD they really look.
|by Anonymous||reply 127||11/04/2009|
Meh. These people are all amateurs!
|by Anonymous||reply 128||11/04/2009|
Cher last week
It looks like she has had some recent freshening up.
|by Anonymous||reply 132||11/14/2009|
What does it look like Sandra Bullock has had done to her face? See photos at link:
|by Anonymous||reply 133||11/17/2009|
R134, to you doesn't Sandra's face look a bit too wrinkle-free or tight for a 45-year old?
|by Anonymous||reply 135||11/17/2009|
Not in that photo. Botox is your friend.
|by Anonymous||reply 136||11/17/2009|
recent Meg Ryan photos. Horrifying.
|by Anonymous||reply 137||12/05/2009|
Cher looks great in that pic, R132.
|by Anonymous||reply 138||12/05/2009|
Meg's nose collapsed. Can't they just be proud of their wrinkles or at least not go overboard. They look so silly, but I guess they don't see it.
|by Anonymous||reply 139||12/08/2009|
Meg now looks like that actress who played Mrs. Roper on 3's Company.
|by Anonymous||reply 140||12/08/2009|
Meg is just shiny from Botox. Big deal.
|by Anonymous||reply 142||12/08/2009|
Cher finally figured out how to do it right. She looks awesome!
|by Anonymous||reply 143||12/08/2009|
that *is* a good photo of Cher.
Face vs body. I heard Kathleen Turner say that back in the 80s when she was in the movie about divorce. She was 33 at the time and a bit plump. Or morbidly obese if you compare her with today's starlets.
|by Anonymous||reply 144||12/08/2009|
Cher looks great for 63, and being shot w/o studio lighting and no after airbrushing.
|by Anonymous||reply 145||12/08/2009|
"What about Kate from the Drew Carey show?"
Krista Miller, who played "Kate" on the Drew Carey show, and "Jordan", the she-beast on "Scrubs", had her lips pumped full of collagen, which resulted in puffy, slug-like lips.
|by Anonymous||reply 146||12/09/2009|
Can anyone please please recommend who they think is the best plastic surgeon in the Md/DC area? TIA.
|by Anonymous||reply 147||12/09/2009|
I'll second the request for MD / DC area surgeons.
I can offer this: by far the best botox I've gotten in DC was at Reveal Medspa. It's also less expensive than other places I've tried. ($300 per trip, and I use quite a few units each time.)
It's rather no-frills, though, and the person doing your botox is not an MD, but a tech.
Still, they have done the best job by far. I've gone to several derms in DC for botox, sometimes at $800 / pop. And they do a shitty job.
|by Anonymous||reply 148||12/10/2009|
I've gotten some wonderful facials at Cobalt...they can be a little pricey, but they're well worth it. JRs is also good.
|by Anonymous||reply 149||12/10/2009|
People, please come into the 21st century. Plain old collagen is never used anymore.
Injectable fillers today are restylane, juviderm, perlane, radiesse, dermalive, sculptra and artefill (which uses some collagen). Injections of one's own fat is done by some doctors, but you have to overfill the area, because the body will absorb a lot of the fat.
I've had restylane and radiesse to my nasolabial folds, which are very deep (and have been since I was a teen. It's a family trait). The doctor who gave me radiesse insisted it would last much longer than restylane. It didn't. The restylane lasted longer.
|by Anonymous||reply 150||12/10/2009|
I was watching a Law & Order repeat last night and the female DA looked like a motion-capture figure. It was frightening. Who is that woman? Short dark hair and two eyes that are way too close to her ears.
|by Anonymous||reply 151||12/10/2009|
I know Meryl in on record as being against plastic surgery...but she's obviously had some very, very GOOD work.
So, who's her surgeon?
|by Anonymous||reply 152||12/10/2009|
Debbie Harry looks pretty good from this link to
|by Anonymous||reply 153||12/10/2009|
Plastic surgeon Dr. Sherrel J Aston says, "Debbie Harry has been open about many aspects of her life including her beliefs on plastic surgery. She has candidly admitted to several procedures already and I believe she has undergone yet another. Debbie's bone structure and skin quality have always set her apart as a great beauty. At the age of 64 she is setting new standards for aging gracefully. She is modern and sexy without looking overly taut or plastic. She has single handily changed the definition of a senior citizen and I think she is a role model for other women."�
Guess who I think did Debbie's surgery?
|by Anonymous||reply 155||12/11/2009|
I worked on some singing game show where we had Debbie sing "Tide is High" for the day...she looked fantastic. Great plastic surgery.
|by Anonymous||reply 156||12/11/2009|
The only photos that are acceptable for judging plastic surgery are those that have not been professionally staged and lit. It's where the paparazzi come in very handy.
|by Anonymous||reply 157||12/11/2009|
Sandra Bullock's had some good work done. That Jackie Zeman pic was a real tragedy. And I don't believe for a second Meryl Streep is aging naturally.
|by Anonymous||reply 159||12/26/2009|
[quote]This makes me wonder what happened to Michael Jackson's cheekbone implants and chin implant
They'll show up on eBay at some point.
|by Anonymous||reply 160||12/26/2009|
"And I don't believe for a second Meryl Streep is aging naturally."
Me neither but her work has been VERY subtle. She still has wrinkles & all but they did some very good damage control. She has great bone structure -- people with great cheek bones age generally well (if they keep a reasonable weight, that is).
|by Anonymous||reply 161||12/26/2009|
Sherrel Aston did Pamela Harriman's face, which is arguably the best work ever done.
|by Anonymous||reply 162||12/26/2009|
"Sandra Bullock's had some good work done. That Jackie Zeman pic was a real tragedy. And I don't believe for a second Meryl Streep is aging naturally."
What work do you think Sandra and Meryl have had done?
|by Anonymous||reply 163||12/26/2009|
Can you imagine climbing into bed with and kissing Jackie Zeman?
I can't. So do we think she hasn't been laid recently?
|by Anonymous||reply 164||12/26/2009|
agree that low body fat doesn't help women as they age.
I also think celebs jump on every trend. And if having plumpy lips along w/your Ed Hardy tees is in, they do it.
And everybody in LA has a certain look they emulate. The plastic surgeries are also being emulated because everyone is doing it.
It's important to know which jeans don't look good on you, and which surgeries don't look good on you.
For the life of me, I still find breast implants to be very bizarre, but they are considered attractive.
|by Anonymous||reply 165||12/26/2009|
Faye Dunaway ownes this thread, she looks plain scarry, teeth like piano keys!
|by Anonymous||reply 166||12/26/2009|
If you've seen Meryl in It's Complictaed you might change your mind about her r161. She looks pretty wrinkled and saggy. I'm honestly not sure if it was intentional or not. And Alec and Steve don't look much better.
Whereas in Mama Mia Meryl was lit, photographed, wigged and made up in the most flattering way possible.
Hard to tell in Doubt and Julie and Julia because of the costuming, padding, character makeup, etc.
|by Anonymous||reply 167||12/26/2009|
Angela lansbury has had about Four full lifts, Glenn Close, Maggie Smith, Helen Miren, Meryl Streep, Shelly Long have all had lifts. Its a question of not going mad and looking at it as a question of meaintenance.
|by Anonymous||reply 168||12/26/2009|
'Jennifer Aniston is 40 and looks 20 years younger than Nicole Kidman.'
Aniston has looked haggard for the past five years and that's with the surgery. If she hadn't had any she'd look like shit. She's never been a beauty.
|by Anonymous||reply 169||12/26/2009|
Pokah playah! White Trash!
|by Anonymous||reply 170||12/26/2009|
I don't usually watch it, so maybe this is old news, but I watched part of a Closer rerun on TNT today and Kyra Sedgewick's lips were plumped and ruin the way her mouth looks.
She had thin lips before, but so what? She's a thin-lipped white woman.
Now she looks like a brainless idiot who doesn't know her lips look ridiculous.
|by Anonymous||reply 171||12/26/2009|
[quote]What work do you think Sandra and Meryl have had done?
I don't know about Meryl, but Sandy's had an upper/lower eye lift. Nowadays she has that same vaguely Asian look in her eyes that SJP has (a common result of the surgery unless done absolutely perfectly).
|by Anonymous||reply 172||12/26/2009|
Thanks, R172. Are you a surgeon?
|by Anonymous||reply 173||12/26/2009|
AGAIN, Black don't crack, BITCHES
|by Anonymous||reply 175||12/26/2009|
[quote]Face exercises could help some of these people who look like freaks.
|by Anonymous||reply 176||12/26/2009|
Jennifer Aniston looks WAY better than rubba-faced Nicole Kidman.
JA also has one of the best bodies in HO-Wood.
|by Anonymous||reply 177||12/26/2009|
Aniston may look better than Kidman but she's still a dog. And her body doesn't look so hot anymore, have you seen the trailer for Bounty Hunter or whatever it's called?
|by Anonymous||reply 178||12/26/2009|
r175, she doesn't look good. sorry.
black does crack.
|by Anonymous||reply 179||12/26/2009|
Who knows what's going on under Diana's wig. She's prob taped.
|by Anonymous||reply 180||12/27/2009|
That "vaguely Asian" look really nails it, r 172.
|by Anonymous||reply 181||12/27/2009|
I think Shirley MacLaine does the tape thing too. It allows her to play her age and younger (like in RUMOR HAS IT).
|by Anonymous||reply 182||12/28/2009|
I think Melanie Griffith could use a little work. She hasn't aged well at all.
|by Anonymous||reply 183||12/28/2009|
So no one here has any idea what type of work Meryl has had done to her face?
|by Anonymous||reply 184||01/08/2010|
I think the person who first brought plastic surgery out of the closet was Phyllis Diller. I remember as a little kid all the controversy when she had her work done. My mother was a fan.
But I have a huge problem with women who get such bad work done. It's inexcusable and very obvious. You take a look at Jennifer Aniston. She is "plasticizing " before our eyes. She had work done on her eyes and her cheelks. Cameron Diaz is another. Horrible. She has an almost permanent smile. Like the Joker!
Why can't they wait. Susan Sarandon had a little teensy bit of "refreshing" done to her and she looks beautiful...and age appropriate.
I know that the make-up and the lighting is very hard on their skin. But so is the smoking and the drinking...and in some cases the drugging. Some woemn, like Joan RIvers it really doesn't matter that she is turning into cat woman. But when you look at some of the others it is shocking. It's like mutilation.
|by Anonymous||reply 185||01/08/2010|
It's always funny to see an actor/actress who's obviously had work done do a period piece. You're watching a movie that takes place in the 19th century and the obvious eyejob and browlift kind of take you right out of the story.
|by Anonymous||reply 186||01/08/2010|
I can't imagine subjecting yourself to both a possibly fatal elective procedure, but one that could both also leave you totally deformed and unable to work because the face is as essential to a screen actor's performance as the hand is to a surgeon's.
|by Anonymous||reply 187||01/08/2010|
I remember when the collagen injections were first discussed years ago as a method for fuller lips. It all came about bcz as women age, their lips become thinner. So the injections to make them look fuller. But then the concept got abused and models and young starlets and wannabes started doing it as a fad, really. Now it's just part of the repertoire.
|by Anonymous||reply 188||01/09/2010|
Just compare Meryl to Jessica Lange who was one of the greatest cinema beauties. They are both 60.
Meryl looks 10 years younger than Jessica.
|by Anonymous||reply 189||01/09/2010|
Well, Jessica does have about 100,000 more miles on her, R189. Not that you're wrong...
|by Anonymous||reply 190||01/09/2010|
Yes, but compare Meryl to me. Meryl looks like an unmade bed.
|by Anonymous||reply 191||01/09/2010|
Sharon, why am I not surprised that a walking mattress would go around comparing others to beds?
|by Anonymous||reply 192||01/09/2010|
Honey, must days I'm lucky I CAN walk. It's tough to pin your cankles behind your head for the better part of the day.
|by Anonymous||reply 193||01/09/2010|
What work has Meryl had done?
|by Anonymous||reply 194||01/31/2010|
[quote]It's inexcusable and very obvious. You take a look at Jennifer Aniston. She is "plasticizing " before our eyes. She had work done on her eyes and her cheelks. Cameron Diaz is another. Horrible. She has an almost permanent smile. Like the Joker!
I'm all for calling out bad surgery work, but what the fuck? Seriously. Cammy's had that weird Joker smile her entire career. Even at 20 she had it in "The Mask." Say what you will about Maniston, but she's had remarkably subtle work done, and I question whether she's actually had anything surgical - looks like all fillers to me. Compare either to the likes of Meg Ryan, who all but destroyed her career with ridiculous cheek implants and lifts at the age of 42 (Maniston is now 40, as a reminder).
|by Anonymous||reply 195||01/31/2010|
I feel sad for Jessica Lange that she obviously has no good friends in the business. If she had friends, they would have told her who to go to. Now, she's ruined her face and career. I guess Streep, Sarandon and Lange are in such competition with each other that they can't be friends and that, also, makes me sad. The guys of that generation have enough clout and roles to sort through that they can afford to be friendly.
|by Anonymous||reply 196||01/31/2010|
What about Nicholas Cage who has had a bad nose job, bad hair plugs and a chin implant?
|by Anonymous||reply 197||01/31/2010|
Well, I love Jessica Lange, even with the bad surgery. She looked decent as a young whatshername in Grey Gardens. I adore that woman- truly my favorite actress of all time.
She has always stayed far away from Hollywood and is pretty shy and private, even on set.
I have heard rumors here that she has had a drinking problem, and that she is a bitch, and that she a cool chick. I don't know what to believe.
She seemed to get along very, very well wth Drew Barrymore as they both had glowing words for each other and looked positively like BFF's in public.
|by Anonymous||reply 198||01/31/2010|
Park Avenue Surgeon,
What has Julia Roberts had done to her face?
Has Sandra Bullock indeed had an eye lift?
What about Jennifer Lopez?
|by Anonymous||reply 199||01/31/2010|
Lange looks like a train wreck. The surgery plus the alcoholism don't mix well. She always looks very unhappy too.
Amazing how way back in the days, she was the hot one, and now Meryl's got her beat in the looks department.
|by Anonymous||reply 200||01/31/2010|
Just to let y'all know....
If a woman has a facelift when she is thin (and a lot of women do this. They lose a lot of weight, their faces looks saggy, so they get a lift) and she then gains weight, her face is going to look strange.
Now, couple this with liposuction. One thing doctors don't tell you is that when they suck all those fat cells out of your abdomen and thighs and arms and necks, is that when you gain weight, you're going to gain it in places you never did before. So you will gain weight in your upper arms. OK -- suck the fat out of the arms. Gain more weight -- you gain it in your face. The fat cells in your face expand. Now, think about what that looks like when you've had your facial skin pulled and trimmed and you've had your facial muscle realigned. You did all that when you were thin. Now, when your fat cells in your face expand, your face is going to look distorted. Like pillows of fat poking out of the rest of your face.
Much of the facial distortion you see is due to people gaining weight after having had facelifts and lots of liposuction.
|by Anonymous||reply 201||01/31/2010|
I get juvederm in my lips once every 6 months or so--one full vial full and the difference is so subtle my mother didn't even notice it (and believe me, she'd LOVE to have made some comments about me spending $$ that way). These people with the enormous trout pouts must be injecting 3 vials each time. Ouch.
I'm scared to do the mouth/nose line, though. Meg Ryan's face looms like a warning in the night. . .
|by Anonymous||reply 202||01/31/2010|
R201, is that why a lot of these celebs look like liver/kidney failure patients?
There's a distinctive facial look caused by certain types of organ failure; some of these celebs have that look.
|by Anonymous||reply 203||01/31/2010|