What do you know about that horrible cunt Ann Rand?
Who is John Galt? And why is a book about him being assigned in university courses?
Because businesses are paying schools to teach the wisdom of Ayn Rand.
Ayn Rand�s novels of headstrong entrepreneurs� battles against convention enjoy a devoted following in business circles. While academia has failed to embrace Rand, calling her philosophy simplistic, schools have agreed to teach her works in exchange for a donation.
The charitable arm of BB&T Corp., a banking company, pledged $1 million to the University of North Carolina Charlotte in 2005 and obtained an agreement that Rand�s novel �Atlas Shrugged� would become required reading for students. Marshall University in Huntington, West Virginia, and Johnson C. Smith University in Charlotte, North Carolina, say they also took grants and agreed to teach Rand.
|by Anonymous||reply 76||March 26, 2009 3:52 PM
Ayn Rand = Ronald Reagan and the Conservative movement of the 1980s. She is their bible.
|by Anonymous||reply 1||March 13, 2009 5:34 PM
Who's got the inside dirt on that fake scholarship that requires you write an essay on that fucking "Atlas Shrugged?"
|by Anonymous||reply 2||March 13, 2009 5:38 PM
I'm from NC, and trust me - no one who goes to Johnson C. Smith or UNCC is gonna set the world on fire.
Rand is simplistic - I read her in high school. I always think of the SOUTH PARK episode with the Magic Bookmobile, where one of the guys reads ATLAS SHRUGGED and afterwards says "I never want to read another book in my life."
|by Anonymous||reply 3||March 13, 2009 5:40 PM
Next it will be the novels of Terry Goodkind
|by Anonymous||reply 4||March 13, 2009 7:02 PM
BB&T is Spartanburg's hometown bank.
|by Anonymous||reply 5||March 13, 2009 7:09 PM
Interesting how that show is written by Republicans, and preaches everything she stood for, r3.
|by Anonymous||reply 6||March 13, 2009 7:25 PM
"Atlas Shrugged" = Kryptonite to Liberals.
It's at the top of their "books to be banned" list.
|by Anonymous||reply 7||March 13, 2009 7:30 PM
According to a 1991 United States survey by the Library of Congress and the Book of the Month Club, Atlas Shrugged was the book that made most difference in readers' lives after the Bible.
|by Anonymous||reply 8||March 13, 2009 7:35 PM
Liberals don't ban books, but you know that. We call it out for the trash it is.
|by Anonymous||reply 9||March 13, 2009 7:35 PM
Rand should have been aborted by her mother.
|by Anonymous||reply 10||March 13, 2009 7:36 PM
No hon. "Atlas Shrugged" is incoherent, unreadable glop.
And we don't ban books, cupcake. You're getting us mixed up with the fundies in the sad, vicious extremist remnants of the GOP.
Thanks as always for the comic relief, though.
|by Anonymous||reply 11||March 13, 2009 7:37 PM
Liberals love to ban "hate speech".
Hate speech = anything they don't like.
Ask any University.
|by Anonymous||reply 12||March 13, 2009 7:38 PM
Her name rhymes with "mine".
|by Anonymous||reply 13||March 13, 2009 7:38 PM
They are libertarians. If you have watched every episode, then this would be obvious. No way are they republicans. They don't think much of Al Gore. But that does not necessarily make you republican.
|by Anonymous||reply 14||March 13, 2009 7:39 PM
The best antidote to Ayn Rand is reading Ayn Rand.
|by Anonymous||reply 15||March 13, 2009 7:39 PM
The 'Atlas Shrugged' Index?
BY JONATHAN L. FISCHER, THE BULLETIN THURSDAY, MARCH 12, 2009
Recessions mean tough times for the publishing world, but one writer x97 one, ahem, dead writer x97 is getting a boost: Ayn Rand.
The Economist reported late last month that Amazon.com sales of Atlas Shrugged, the authorx92s 1957 epic about embattled capitalism and individualism amid a dystopian world, are the highest theyx92ve been in years.
Moreover, The Economist reported, there may be a correlation between spikes in purchases of the book and the dourest economic news: Sales jumped when the Bank of England bailed out the mortgage lender Northern Rock, and again, last fall, when the U.S. Treasury said its Troubled Asset Relief Program would be stakes in nine banks. The book surged again in January as Congress debated its stimulus plan.
On Jan. 18, Atlas Shrugged surged to No. 33 on Amazonx92s list, briefly eclipsing President Barack Obamax92s The Audacity of Hope. Atlas Shrugged was listed at No. 50 yesterday.
The Economist noted several similarities between current events and sequences in the book: rhetoric condemning corporate greed, constipated international trade, riots across Europe x97 and pirate attacks.
|by Anonymous||reply 16||March 13, 2009 7:40 PM
Address should have been 'r6'.
|by Anonymous||reply 17||March 13, 2009 7:41 PM
[quote]Atlas Shrugged was the book that made most difference in readers' lives after the Bible.
This tells you everything you need to know about the intelligence level of the audience for this "book."
|by Anonymous||reply 18||March 13, 2009 7:41 PM
Born in Russia 1905. Original name transliterated into Alisa Zinovievna Rosenbaum. Died of heart failurre 1982.
|by Anonymous||reply 19||March 13, 2009 7:42 PM
Great. Now the Fox News talking douches have discovered Ayn Rand too and every fuckwit born into wealth fancies himself a John Galt. Those who are born on third base always seem to think they've hit a home run when they make it home, and now they're trying to convince every GOP talking-points-spouting idiot they're being treated unfairly. Given the collective intelligence of the average American they'll probably fall for it. "They're punishing success!" is the new "Iraq was behind 9/11!"
|by Anonymous||reply 20||March 13, 2009 7:45 PM
Ayn is not incomprehensible. Her philosophy is very simple. Capitalists have ethics on par with the archangels. They understand that the only way for them to get rich is to make the world a better place for others. They would never make a Ford Pinto, put melamine in milk or sell a subprime mortgage. Capitalists only do bad things whne they have been corrupted by the government.
Sci-fi novels are more closely related to reality than Ayn's novels.
Oh, and let's not forget that women like being raped (as she described in The Fountainhead)
|by Anonymous||reply 21||March 13, 2009 7:46 PM
In the true free market of ideas, businesses wouldn't have to pay universities to foist a substandard writer on their students.
|by Anonymous||reply 22||March 13, 2009 7:52 PM
[quote] Liberals love to ban "hate speech". Hate speech = anything they don't like. Ask any University.
I'll be sure to ask bastions of intellectual freedom such as Marshall University of Huntington, West Virginia, and Johnson C. Smith University of Charlotte, North Carolina.
|by Anonymous||reply 23||March 13, 2009 8:00 PM
"Atlas Shrugged" is probably the most boring book ever written. Virtually no one whom I know has ever succeeded in slogging through it; the plot is incomparably silly, and the prose is beyond turgid. Surely there must be some conservative novelist who can express these ideas more effectively.
"The Fountainhead" is marginally better.
|by Anonymous||reply 24||March 13, 2009 8:04 PM
Ayn Rand is a dealbreaker for me. If you mistakenly believe that her crappy, sloppy, sub-adult novels have brought meaning and understanding to your life, buh-bye.
|by Anonymous||reply 25||March 13, 2009 8:13 PM
I've since grown and seen the light of Rand's cuntiness, but I have to say that reading The Fountainhead in high school did do something really beneficial for me - it showed me how to cut the strings from my horrible horrible family and get out on my own and not look back, which has been a fucking life-saver.
|by Anonymous||reply 26||March 13, 2009 8:19 PM
"it showed me how to cut the strings from my horrible horrible family and get out on my own and not look back"
Wow - the very same thing joining the carnival did for me!
|by Anonymous||reply 27||March 13, 2009 8:27 PM
I read Rand as an undergrad, and never got much out of it. Meh.
A few years later I read von Mises, and it changed my life. It totally changed the way I look at government, and made me realize that the only way a society can prosper is through the actions of entrepreneurs and "capitalists". Government only perverts and corrupts.
Too bad that the "capitalists" that populate the world today are actually fascists is capitalist clothing. We've never seen a true "free market" in the US, just a bastardized version of it promoted by the fascists that run our banks.
|by Anonymous||reply 28||March 13, 2009 8:47 PM
[quote]We've never seen a true "free market" in the US, just a bastardized version of it promoted by the fascists that run our banks.
I.e., I need an explanation for why the free market isn't working, and I'm too much of an idealogue to accept that it's because sometimes, it doesn't work
|by Anonymous||reply 29||March 13, 2009 9:04 PM
It's not a "free market", R29, when the lifeblood of it, money, is controlled, created, and inflated by a central authority, aka the Federal Reserve. The Federal Reserve artificially lowered interest rates, "created" new money, and implemented counterproductive regulations that allowed unfettered greed to rule.
Read some Mises and then get back to me.
|by Anonymous||reply 30||March 13, 2009 9:21 PM
The "free market" in this context does not work because of GREED.
|by Anonymous||reply 31||March 13, 2009 9:23 PM
There is no such thing as a "free" market. There has never been any such thing and there never will be any such thing.
The people who advocate for it are just a bunch of greedy, delusional assholes who believe - fervently - that all countries should be banana republics.
|by Anonymous||reply 32||March 13, 2009 9:26 PM
Governments would never support a true free market because they are so destabilizing. The constant boom and bust does not support a white picket fence ideal.
We had freer markets at one point we also had tenement slums and workers being shot in the streets.
Once the entrepreneurs got theirs they wanted to roll-up the free market carpet to protect their assests.
That is the thing about the government. It is not a separate entity, it is made up us US citizens with the full faith and credit of US business.
|by Anonymous||reply 33||March 13, 2009 9:52 PM
OK, I am no fan of libertarians or freepers, but does anyone thing that addressing them as "hon," "sweets," and "cupcake" is really cutting edge critique?
What are you, a nasty salesperson in the notions department at WT Grant in the 1960s? Stop watching old camp.
|by Anonymous||reply 34||March 13, 2009 9:58 PM
"Governments would never support a true free market because they are so destabilizing. The constant boom and bust does not support a white picket fence ideal."
You misunderstand the nature of the boom/bust cycle. The "boom" phase would never occur without the interference of the government, and therefore preclude any "bust". A free market is self-regulating, whereas a government is parasitic.
|by Anonymous||reply 35||March 14, 2009 2:58 AM
I know, what's with her rape fantasy crap. All the women in her books are strong but like to be manhandled. I read Atlas, it was so repetitive and boring after awhile. I didn't even finish it. She hits you over the head so much with her ideology.
One thing I noticed was that she crapped on religion and mysticism in the book, but one character can only go forward when she makes a leap of faith. I think she was flying in to meet Galt in Colorado but it was a hidden landing, so you had to have faith that you would make it and wouldn't die. I thought that was a big contradiction on the book. I also didn't like all the leech comments. What's wrong with helping others if they need it?
I tried to read Fountainhead but threw it down after the rape scene. I just got online to read what happened in the end.
|by Anonymous||reply 36||March 14, 2009 3:09 AM
"Her name rhymes with 'mine'."
Alisa Zinov'yevna Rosenbaum
|by Anonymous||reply 37||March 14, 2009 3:22 AM
The whole "penalizing the rich for being successful" bent that Fox News is taking from Rand is completely nonsensical cause
a) bankers and Wall Street FAILED. They did not succeed in anything but losing money for millions of people and
b) the RICH accepted HUGE government handouts as a result. WE, the "leeches" in Ayn's world, are the ones helping the rich stay rich even though they robbed us blind.
|by Anonymous||reply 38||March 14, 2009 3:28 AM
Stephen Colbert NAILED this topic this week on his show. Brilliant.
|by Anonymous||reply 39||March 14, 2009 3:31 AM
Self regulating markets? Guided my some invisible and benevolent hand that would stop human beings having human emotions and stop panic buying/selling?
Take your dollar jesus and shove it up your arse.
|by Anonymous||reply 40||March 14, 2009 3:44 AM
I hate the idea of "dealbreakers" but I have to agree with R25.
I've been able to be friends with born-again Christians and a schizophrenic woman who one day decided she hated Asian people (but "exempted" me), but I honestly would have nothing to say to someone who liked Rand's philosophy or writing style (crap).
|by Anonymous||reply 41||March 23, 2009 8:47 PM
Any third world country is full to the brim with free markets which have never and will never make anybody rich.
|by Anonymous||reply 42||March 23, 2009 8:51 PM
Queen Carlotta of Mortville was the perfect embodiment of Ayn Rand's sociopolitical worldview.
|by Anonymous||reply 43||March 23, 2009 9:02 PM
"Seize her and fuck her"
And a little wood for r20.
|by Anonymous||reply 44||March 23, 2009 9:32 PM
Universities are one thing, but it should be criminal to teach this shit in public high schools
|by Anonymous||reply 45||March 23, 2009 9:45 PM
Ghastly novelist and worse philosopher.
Her charm with students usually doesn't last past freshman year in community college.
|by Anonymous||reply 46||March 23, 2009 9:49 PM
economics is to Dataloungers as garlic is to vampires.
|by Anonymous||reply 47||March 23, 2009 10:05 PM
"Liberals love to ban "hate speech". Hate speech = anything they don't like. Ask any University"
Oh, you're just embarrassing yourself now...
|by Anonymous||reply 48||March 23, 2009 11:03 PM
I read Atlas Shrugged in high school; it was hardly a life changing event. It was all in all pretty damn boring. People who put too much faith in the "principles" of Rand need a reality check. Her ideals simply don't really translate well in the real world and to try to turn this country into Rand-Land will be a dismal failure.
That said there is much to be said for a capitalist economic system. We climbed to the top of the world's economic ladder based on "compassionate capitalism" and there is no reason to believe that we will not rise again by adhering to the same principles.
|by Anonymous||reply 49||March 24, 2009 12:01 AM
[italic]Ayn is not incomprehensible. Her philosophy is very simple. Capitalists have ethics on par with the archangels. They understand that the only way for them to get rich is to make the world a better place for others.[/italic]
Wait, weren't her novels and philosophy anti-altruism?
|by Anonymous||reply 50||March 24, 2009 12:18 AM
Do her followers know that she was an atheist?
|by Anonymous||reply 52||March 24, 2009 4:38 PM
Not true R49. "We climbed to the top" of the world ladder during World War II sporting a socialist command economy with rationing, full employment, wage inflation, and price controls.
|by Anonymous||reply 53||March 24, 2009 5:27 PM
I don't get the hate.
I enjoyed her novels as just that. Novels.
I don't bother reading any more into it than that.
|by Anonymous||reply 54||March 24, 2009 5:35 PM
[quote]According to a 1991 United States survey by the Library of Congress and the Book of the Month Club, Atlas Shrugged was the book that made most difference in readers' lives after the Bible.
Congratulations, you pathetic twat! For the first time in years, you've actually made a true statement on DL. Sad, annoying, but verifiably true.
|by Anonymous||reply 55||March 24, 2009 5:36 PM
"Ayn is not incomprehensible. Her philosophy is very simple. Capitalists have ethics on par with the archangels. They understand that the only way for them to get rich is to make the world a better place for others."
No, the only way for them to get rich is to be self-serving. They don't care about the welfare of others.
You have to remember, Rand was Russian and comes from a "share and share alike" philosophy and her ideology comes as a direct result of that environment.
This, of course, doesn't excuse anything, she's an insufferable idiot.
|by Anonymous||reply 56||March 24, 2009 5:46 PM
Angelina Jolie is a big Ayn Rand fan, and was set to star in the film adaptation of Atlas Shrugged.
|by Anonymous||reply 57||March 24, 2009 6:29 PM
I don't think I've seen such kneee jerk comments since the last time Madonna was mentioned on the board.
Ayn Rand has greatly influenced a huge number of not stupid people. She is not a good writer or needed a much more brutal editor. Her phililosophy is distinctive if not practical.
|by Anonymous||reply 58||March 24, 2009 8:21 PM
But they are stupid people R58. Anyone who believes in Ayn Rand is by definition, somebody who is subnormal in the thinking department. And instead we put one of these idiots in charge of our economy for twenty years.
|by Anonymous||reply 59||March 24, 2009 8:36 PM
You don't get it, don't excuse her because she's Russian. She lied about how great conditions were unders the Czars. The truth is the Soviet economy, bad as it was, still was much larger than the pre-Soviet economy.
|by Anonymous||reply 60||March 24, 2009 8:37 PM
"AS" really is a badly written, boring novel, but that is not why Dataloungers hate her so much. Dataloungers hate Ayn Rand because they hate the idea of the supremacy of individual liberty.
|by Anonymous||reply 61||March 26, 2009 12:26 PM
Why hasn't anyone acknowledged Rand's raging homophobia as a reason to loath her, in addition to her awful writing and intellectually dishonest philosophy?
In a 1971 interview she had this to say about the homosex(and this is the glossed-over version from on of the objectivist apologist websites; I imagine she had some other less than flattering things to say about us that they won't print):
[quote]"...it involves psychological flaws, corruptions, errors, or unfortunate premises, but there is a psychological immorality at the root of homosexuality. Therefore I regard it as immoral."
Although she went on to suggest that there shouldn't be laws inhibiting adults from doing whatever they wish, she was not one of our fans. We certainly shouldn't waste our time being fans of hers.
|by Anonymous||reply 62||March 26, 2009 1:21 PM
I finally read AS after being urged for years to do so by a beloved friend who insists this book changed his life. It changed mine, too. It made me look at him completely differently. And, not in a good way. I thought her characters were failures as human beings. They had and worshipped money above all else. Dagny is a whore who moved from one successful man to a more successful man and neither Franscisco or Reardon had a problem with that because they knew her new man was superior to them. Yeah, right. When I finished, I thought those were hours I will never get back. I only wish I had counted the number of times she used the words "astonish, astonishment and astonishing." The number must total in the 100s.
|by Anonymous||reply 63||March 26, 2009 1:47 PM
For a hilarious view on Ayn Rand, her fans and even her corporate sponsors and to a certain extent, academia, you should read "Old School" by Tobias Wolff, a memoir about his time at a prep school where authors were invited once a year to visit and vote on their favorite student fiction. Yes, Ayn Rand is one of the authors, brought there by a self made alumnus whom Rand of course, insults several times during the course of her visit. Her presence also attracts several "fans" which are an unwelcome suprise on campus. And the winning story is a science fiction piece about cows which Rand picks because, allegedly, it expounds upon her themes, though the boy who writes turns out merely to be a cow and sci fi fan.
|by Anonymous||reply 64||March 26, 2009 2:01 PM
Why is this on the front page yet again today? This is 6 days in a row. What cunt keeps bumping up this useless thread? Let it die already! Jesus Christ.
|by Anonymous||reply 65||March 26, 2009 2:14 PM
R65, calm down-- I understand that it may be inconvenient, but you can do a search for the most recent Perez Hilton buzz, or for the latest news on Jared Padalecki.
There's room for everyone on this board, toots.
|by Anonymous||reply 66||March 26, 2009 2:17 PM
"Oh, and let's not forget that women like being raped (as she described in The Fountainhead)"
The Rape Fantasy is very common for women and I'm sure some men too.
|by Anonymous||reply 67||March 26, 2009 2:22 PM
Reply 64, "though the boy who writes turns out merely to be a cow and sci fi fan."
The boy was a cow? No wonder he (it) mimicked Ayn Rand like a sheep.
|by Anonymous||reply 68||March 26, 2009 2:43 PM
[italic]economics is to Dataloungers as garlic is to vampires.[/italic]
I've never seen such economic stupidity as I have here on DL.
R60 is just the latest example:
[italic]The truth is the Soviet economy, bad as it was, still was much larger than the pre-Soviet economy.[/italic]
|by Anonymous||reply 69||March 26, 2009 2:48 PM
When I was in college, someone would go around every morning (early) and write on nearly every chalkboard "Atlas Shrugged" by Ayn Rand. Those boards were erased every night by the custodial staff (and many instructors erased that phrase before class started anyway.)So this happened EVERY MORNING.
So someone - probably a group - was very dedicated because that was a large research university with many black boards.
That went on for at least two years.
Imagine being that devoted to a book.
|by Anonymous||reply 70||March 26, 2009 2:53 PM
"No, the only way for them to get rich is to be self-serving. They don't care about the welfare of others."
Her whole shtick is that it is self-serving to provide goods and services that people want to buy and thereby make the provider of those goods and services rich.
For instance, if you run a train line that is clean, fast and on-time, you will attract more customers than a line that is dirty, slow and chronically late.
Or if you made a light bulb that lasted 5 years, you will get more buyers than a light bulb that only lasts a year. Or if you made a car that got 100 miles a gallon you will get more customers than cars that get 30 miles to a gallon.
It all sounds logical and beautiful. Unfortunately for Ayn, it wasn't happening, so she had to look for the reason all the people who wanted to get rich had not yet created Utopia. The reason that she found was government. The only explanation for why Capitalism hadn't created this beautiful world was government interference.
She never seemed to considered that people are corruptible all on their own without government help.
|by Anonymous||reply 71||March 26, 2009 3:09 PM
"The Rape Fantasy is very common for women and I'm sure some men too."
But just as with all Ayn's fanatsies inluding her economic ideas, the fantasy is much different from the reality.
|by Anonymous||reply 72||March 26, 2009 3:25 PM
Never read her books, but saw a movie about her starring Helen Mirren. Unlike, say, the guy who invented Scientology, it looks like Rand truly believed the stuff she spouted. I think she's a fascinating nutcase/cult leader. Are there any good biographies of her, not written by her worshipers?
|by Anonymous||reply 73||March 26, 2009 3:28 PM
R73, that movie is "The Passion of Ayn Rand" starring Mirren, Eric Stoltz among other known actors. I tried watching it and fell asleep.
|by Anonymous||reply 74||March 26, 2009 3:43 PM
Is it safe to say that Ronald Reagan was the embodiment of her philosophies?
|by Anonymous||reply 75||March 26, 2009 3:43 PM
R69=Alan Greenspan fan. It's a fact honey, deal with it.
|by Anonymous||reply 76||March 26, 2009 3:52 PM