Indonesia 🇮🇩 outlaws Fornication, severely strengthens laws against blasphemy

JAKARTA, Dec 6 (Reuters) - Indonesia's parliament approved a criminal code on Tuesday that bans sex outside marriage with a punishment of up to one year in jail, part of a raft of legal changes that critics say undermine civil liberties in the world's third-largest democracy.

The new code, which will apply to Indonesians and foreigners alike, will also prohibit cohabitation between unmarried couples. It was passed with support from all political parties and despite warnings from business groups that it could scare away tourists and harm investment.

[quote]despite warnings from business groups that it could scare away tourists and harm investment.

I don't know if it will, but I hope it does. These kinds of laws are draconian.

Fuck the Indonesian government scares the crap out of me. I don't understand people holidaying in Bali - it is governed by Indonesia. Any minute things could change in Bali and who would want to be there when it does?

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[quote] Indonesian officials say upgrading the existing criminal code, which dates back to 1918 when Indonesia was a Dutch colony, was long overdue.

[quote] "However, it is time for us to make a historical decision on the penal code amendment and to leave the colonial criminal code we inherited behind.”

Fun fact: Indonesia is the world's most populous Muslim country (more than a quarter of a billion adherents).

(Beheadings and castrations will soon follow as enforcement tools).

This will kill their tourist trade. What a bunch of silly muzzies they are. This is the ultimate way of cutting of your nose to spite your face.

Indonesia has been corrupt to the core since liberation .

Fuck these ignorant religious freaks. Wait until the Bali vacation money disappears. Next time there’s an earthquake there, thoughts and prayers and nothing else.

As with every other Muslim country, the ruling despots crack down on actions that are "offenses to Islam" with some regularity to assert Islam's dominance. I'm sure somewhere along the line Bali will be given some class of "dispensation" to keep the tourists on side.

I believe the wife needs to make an official complaint for this new provision to be used, so tourists won't be affected. But yes, Indonesia is going down a terrible path and has been for some time now. And now we're paying them to stop using coal.

It will be interesting to see the world at the middle and towards the end of this century when most of the western countries are majority irreligious, but still have to trade with insanely religious countries in Asia and Africa. Should make for some very interesting dynamics.

They're also banning "insulting the president or state institutions and expressing any views counter to state ideology".

If I hear anyone ever again saying these shitholes' terrible criminal codes are all colonialist legacy...

Agreed that it should ruin their tourist industry.

But it probably will not

"insulting the president or state institutions and expressing any views counter to state ideology".

Perfect Islamist mindset

They'll only punish gay foreigners. Beware.

[quote] Perfect Islamist mindset

R15 A law extant in 57 Muslim countries.

You call this a democracy?

R18 Indonesia has never claimed to be a "democracy". It is an Islamic state with a democracy patina. What is of paramount importance is that Islam is never questioned, criticized, and most importantly, never, ever challenged.

Is Indonesia going to enforce these laws on Hindu-majority Bali? How long before the purge?

But aren't Muslim men allowed to have four wives, as long as they have the money to support them?

So much for "adultery," for the men, that is.

This will not end well

As with all these draconian laws, only women and gays will be prosecuted.

The Islamic disease was brought in by sailors:

"The natives of the Indonesian archipelago originally practised indigenous animism and dynamism, beliefs that are common to Austronesian peoples. They worshipped and revered ancestral spirit and believed that supernatural spirits (hyang) might inhabit certain places such as large trees, stones, forests, mountains, or sacred sites. Examples of Indonesian native belief systems include the Sundanese Sunda Wiwitan, Dayak's Kaharingan, and the Javanese Kejawèn. They have significantly impacted how other faiths are practised, evidenced by a large proportion of people—such as the Javanese abangan, Balinese Hindus, and Dayak Christians—practising a less orthodox, syncretic form of their religion.

Baiturrahman Grand Mosque in Banda Aceh, Aceh. The spread of Islam in Indonesia began in the region. Islam was introduced by Sunni traders of the Shafi'i school as well as Sufi traders from the Indian subcontinent and southern Arabia as early as the 8th century CE. For the most part, Islam overlaid and mixed with existing cultural and religious influences, resulting in a distinct form of Islam (santri). Trade, Islamic missionary activity such as by the Wali Sanga and Chinese explorer Zheng He, and military campaigns by several sultanates helped accelerate the spread of Islam. By the end of the 16th century, it had supplanted Hinduism and Buddhism as the dominant religion of Java and Sumatra."

Bali remains Hindu, which is why the culture is more accepting of all--but it's still in Muslim Indonesia

They're desperate to decolonise (fine) from the evil white (Dutch) influence but only too happy to reinforce the colonial (Islam and Arab that look down on these Asians, even the fellow Allah-worshippers) rules?

Sex before marriage was already banned prior to the approval of this new criminal code, but the law was often not enforced.

With assurances from some officials that foreigners will not be affected.

[quote] Bali remains Hindu, which is why the culture is more accepting of all

Bali remains dependent on tourism, which is why it turns a blind eye to certain behavior. Hindus are NOT culturally accepting of homosexuality.

^apparently moreso than Muslims

They've been dangerous for a while.

Indonesia just makes it easier for companies to settle in Vietnam. Muslim countries desperately need foreign money, but then again, drive foreigners away with their insane, outrageous, stupid laws. God willing.

Well, fuck. Can I still root whores on the annual Bali footy trip if I hide my wedding ring?

[quote] Can I still root whores

Which reminds me of one of the oldest Aussie jokes in existence. I remember the punchline:

He eats roots and leaves . . .

. . . but I can remember how it begins.

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[quote] Hindus are NOT culturally accepting of homosexuality.

They were until the British showed up. Generally, however, Hindus don't have the same hung ups about gays that Judeo-Christians do.

[quote]Bali remains dependent on tourism, which is why it turns a blind eye to certain behavior.

Yep. The sheer number of Australians who go there (it's one of the closest and therefore most affordable 'exotic' places for a lot of Australians, mostly bogans, to go) ensures that there will always be some leniency because they want our $$. It's why I would never go there, it makes me think of going to Ibiza and being surrounded by loutish Brits, you know?

Fuck Allah with Muhammad's left fist.

With all this thread talk of how it impacts foreigners, I am familiar with a gay Indonesian young man whose future doesn't seem too bright now.

[quote] Hindus are NOT culturally accepting of homosexuality.

[quote] They were until the British showed up

R36 Muslims had conquered HIndu India 700 years before the Brits showed up. While it might be fad/deflection to blame Britain for anti-homo laws, it is, in reality, erroneous.

[quote] Hindus don't have the same hung ups about gays that Judeo-Christians do.

Neither does Jewish law. Xtians, however, do.

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[quote] Muslims had conquered HIndu India 700 years before the Brits showed up. While it might be fad/deflection to blame Britain for anti-homo laws, it is, in reality, erroneous.

First, Muslims only conquered Northern India. Second, Muslim rulers allowed Hindus to continue worshipping as they pleased. Therewere no significant anti-gay policies until the Brits came.

Every where the Brits went, anti gay sentiment followed.

Wow