Right-winger calls bail reform "woke" and asks for data on it

Patch.com Sure! 🙄

Let me REPHRASE this shit post.

Left wing "journal" disagrees with right wing pol.

DIDN'T FUCKING SEE THAT COMING!

Catch Release Repeat

Mayor Adams was the law-and-order candidate

The system must be at fault

The wild wild West Village. Rising crime hurting businesses

"Criminals are becoming 'fearless' and strike again even if they have been previously arrested"

[quote]Of the 2,641 people arrested and released without bail from April 1 to June 30, 195 were re-arrested, police data showed. That's a recidivism rate of 7 percent

Or, said another way, that's at least 195 crime victims who didn't need to be victims, assuming the criminals only committed one crime each which, let's be honest, is unlikely if they got re-arrested.

Unfortunately, alpha error is usually more catastrophic than beta error in these types of situations.

Bail reform is one thing. The Bail Project is quite another… Bail reform = needed in a balanced and thoughtful manner The Bail Project = pays for violent felons to get out of pre-trial jail detention and then takes no responsibility for any further crimes they commit

You all can decide what to support

Joe Biden and the Dems' America

This thread is very handy for F&Fing random right wing trolls who drop by.

R10 Yeah, citing actual crime statistics and how numbers are increasing and how people are pissed off about it is "trolling".

The 1% speak

My office in New York City has been on remote since December of 2021 originally due to Omicron. Previous to that we had been on a hybrid schedule but no one particularly those who rely on the subway to get to work want to return because it's not safe. And small businesses are losing because many of those businesses relied on commuters and that also includes parking garages and the MTA.

The infamous Duck Sauce Killer who killed a food delivery man for not bringing enough duck sauce was released on bail which understandably made the restaurant owner feel very unsafe. The killer eventually committed suicide but how did he ever get out on bail after he sought out the victim and shot him. It was planned and premeditated

Bail reform needs to be reformed. Shoplifters should not be out on the street after they’ve been arrested multiple times. Also certain quality of life crimes should be enforced.,

I guess that makes me a fascist. Also people need to pay some attention to the 11,000 murders of black Americans killed yearly usually by other blacks and not focus all their attention on 4-5 unarmed black men killed by cops which is the average number per year in the US. That’s not to excise cops but just acknowledge the real problem for a change.

The higher rate of crime currently (still among the lowest in NY history) is due to poverty, not to bail reform.

The point of bail reform is to stop holding poor people in jail because they can’t make bail

How can we keep someone not convicted of a crime in jail?

If someone has been arrested 20 plus times, I’d think ,it’s ok to require bail to keep them off the street The people who commit crimes primarily victimize other poor people. So it hurts the entire community when they are free to continue acts of criminality.

It’s not just poverty because most poor people don’t commit crimes. It’s more complicated than that.

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R17 nobody said most poor people commit crimes dickhead. It’s that poverty places you in a position where you’re more likely to commit crime, because of the state of desperation you’re kept in.

Not concerned with the fact that it was worse years ago as it is more brazen and random than ever. Alan Arkin's1971 film version of Jules Feiffer's Little Murders seems prescient

The new normal

Not welcoming

It's escalating

Go woke, go broke

and in the Big Apple

Even migrants fear NY

Bail reform?

Back to the future via bail reform

I blocked three troll posters and 70% of this thread disappeared.

They tossed their cookies, too. I guess they're back on Gab and Truth Social doxxing FBI agents.

Case in point. Both posts from the same poster.

[quote] Joe Biden and the Dems' America

[quote] R10 Yeah, citing actual crime statistics and how numbers are increasing and how people are pissed off about it is "trolling".

Bail reform depends entirely on what you have to replace it.

DC got rid of money bonds in 1990. But we had in place a very strict and structured pre-trial agency that closely monitored released defendants. The defendants had to be regualrly drug tested if they tested positive on arrest or had a history of substance abuse, they had to stay away from people and/or places. they had to participate in cetain programs like drug programs, they had to meet weekly with pre-trial officers or at least call in regularly, sometimes they wore an ankle bracelet, etc.

If they violated any conditions of release they were called before their judge and had a hearing to see if they should be revoked and held in jail until their case was resolved.

Besides violations of release, if they got rearrested, they could be revoked and held in jail on the release charge.

The new Bail Reform Statute (1990) allowed for certain defendants to be held before trial if their crime was violent or dangerous or they were a risk of flight. They got an evidentiary hearing to decide that. Almost all murders or other serious violent crimes got someone held without bond pending trial - or at least put in a half-way house.

DC's pretrial system was very effective for ensuring people showed up for court as well as eliminating re-arrests - though some people just keep committing crimes no matter what. Those people usually sat their asses in jail until they resolved all their cases and got sentenced.

The federal pretrial system is similar to the DC local one. The problem seems to be these states do not have strong pretrial statutes or systems/agencies to properly monitor released defendants awaiting trial. Plus you have to be able to revoke any release conditions if the defendant refuses to obey them - like he keeps getting arrested or bothering witnesses. You cannot do away with one system until you have something that works to replace it.

This a bizarre thread, even by DL standards. People are cheering for criminals to be released and to be allowed to commit more crimes. Even one is too many, so referring to a recidivism rate is absurd. How can any sane person be against a requirement for bail?

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Difficult to believe R33 It sounds as crazy as the perpetrator. Here's a lawyer who fought back

Girlfriend won't be charged for stabbing bodega worker. She was defending her thug boyfriend who was attacking the worker

Didn't Adams run on being the law-and-order candidate?

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I can't believe they let that maniac out again.

I know this isn't on topic but the first thing I noticed in OP's picture was the missing wedding ring on the left hand, just a big white band mark.

R37 so now this man is walking among us? Criminals feel empowered.

[quote] Two brazen thieves on motorcycles robbed a group of people dining outside a fashionable Queens cafe — which is located across the street from the office of Councilmember Tiffany Cabán, a major supporter of defunding the NYPD, cops and witnesses said.

"fashionable Queens cafe"

Perdóname?

Adams is a worthless piece of shit.

According to the Biden administration the biggest problem facing the country is white supremists, completely ignoring what our eyes see going on every day.

^^^ HERESY!!!!!, r43!!!

How DARE you believe your OWN EYES!!!

No consequences

Would Patch.com lie? lol

And liberals wonder why Americans are still voting Republican. lol. People don’t want their cities burned to ground and looted. Keep on going with the Defund the Police, stealing is okay (Cynthia Nixon) bullshit.

Disturbing details in the LA Times report

R43 Love the part where Joe talks about the 'little tyke' George Floyd's daughter-"My daddy changed the world"

"My daddy changed the world"

Woke doesn't work

We’re gonna see white flight again pretty soon with blacks left in nothing but abandoned ghettos. Places can’t even have a pharmacy or supermarket thanks to these animals.

Who would have thunk it?

good news

seven in 10 released in CA zero bail push . . .

Oh, is this the daily thread where we're supposed to hate on big blue cities?

California is a state R56 not a city

[quote] Oh, is this the daily thread where we're supposed to hate on big blue cities?

All of these victims who have been mentioned and the many more who will suffer as victims in the future and that’s what you’re worried about,

Assaults caught on camera fuel bail reform debate

When you click the link at R59 also check out the yacht sinking off the Italian coast.

^ All those white supremacists causing such havoc!

Bail reform is a good idea.

White supremacy aka terrorism is a big problem.

I’d rather be woke than asleep.

All these victims and future victims would rather be alive/not in coma/not maimed/not disabled/not permanently damaged than woke.

[quote]White supremacy aka terrorism is a big problem.

The terrorists in American cities are not white men.

R62 any links to the latest crimes committed by white supremists?

Another thug ass punk strikes again. Probably was out on bail. I mean...c'mon...it's not that far of a stretch to assume so.

Skull fracture victim's wife calls for justice

He got 5 years. He had 44 prior arrests

I am very lenient on sentencing until it comes to violence. Then I think that the linger you can keep someone away from society the better it is for society.

People who are deliberately violent are beyond hope. Not sure that kind of mind can ever be properly rehabbed.

First it was Walgreens . .

The system is not flawed; it's broken

the system benefits criminals

I’ve become glad to see NYC stores looted. It’s the stores’ bad choices to be located there that has put them in the predicament. If they sell high-end goods, their clientele can afford to travel somewhere outside of NYC that’s safe and buy the goods there.

he and we and she would be better off if he were in jail

released without bail

a slap on the wrist

Ruined Leon must be a right winger, I guess. Or maybe he's just a normal guy who sees through the far-left BS being spewed.

"A vicious psych-al"

Any bail statute that doesn't allow for the discretion of the judge in setting pretrial conditions that doesn't allow for preventive detention under some circumstances or combination thereof is a failure and threat to community safety.

Factors that have to be considered in pretrial release decisions:

1) refusal or inability to obey Court orders re: stay aways from victims, witnesses & places, fails to return to court or report to their court supervising officers, refraining from rearrests, substance abuse, mental health issues

2) dangerousness of the crime and strength of government case: a hearing would determine this at which evidence is presented like videos of the crime, etc.

3) risk of flight

4) probable cause that crime was committed while out on probation, parole or with another pending case due for trial or sentencing.

We can do all these things in my jurisdiction. When someone out on pretrial release is rearrested even if the new crime is release eligible, the judge the defendant is before on older pending case can and often does revoke that earlier bond for violating conditions of release.

There are many ways to deal with defendants pre-trial that are less than total preventive detention: ankle monitors, halfway houses, more intensive monitoring and checking in with court supervision, substance abuse programs (both inpatient and outpatient). There are escalating conditions of release that can be imposed.

New York State's bail statute seems utterly useless.

I say this all with an understanding that during the pandemic judges, even where I am, tried to release as many defendants pretrial as they could safely do. But still some defense attorneys' pleas for release were denied with certain defendants and certain criminal histories.

I just shake my head at the people who have come to be in positions of power in the criminal justice system. It's like they truly just fell off a turnip truck and know nothing about human nature or how the past more than not predicts the future.

I recently read my city's (D.C.) recent recommendations by a commission of Pollyanna criminal justice "advocates" that is mind-blowingly laughable. It reads like a parody of do-gooders who have not a clue how to police or prevent crime. Their first recommendation was to cut the police force in half. LMAO. No rationale or analysis of why this would be workable or what sections of the force to cut and why. Just slash it in half. Luckily that got watered down before the final report was published. Maybe they should have left that in to show how utterly idiotic their study is.

This commission also recommended raising the age before a defendant could be charged as an adult from 18 to 21. Riight. Cause 20 year old murders and car jackers are too young to know what they're doing or right from wrong. The report is full of these nonsensical suggestions.

Though she appointed these idiots, the mayor for the most part is quietly ignoring it.

....

Want to try again, OP?

R80, it just keeps getting worse.

These are existential issues. if we can't solve this NOW then we face a dim future and not much else matters. Who cares what the minimum wage is if you can't live long enough to spend it. Or if the cost of living safely becomes out of reach due to the costs of crimes.

If you have to take a taxi or uber home every day to stay alive, then watch your salary's real worth diminish quickly.

From the article at R80

"The suspect, who fled after the deadly shooting, is described as a heavyset black man who wore all black clothing and a mask."

"“You have these people killing one another. They kill somebody and the system lets them back out. They are right back on the streets and they do the same s–t again. It’s crazy.”'

hauntingly familiar

Subways are the worse.

It’s not woke, it’s insane.