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Two prominent men died on the Titanic. Were they secretly a couple?

What say you DL?

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by Anonymousreply 132October 19, 2022 1:23 PM

R-tickle locked, OP.

Cut 'n' paste.

by Anonymousreply 1August 13, 2022 12:28 PM

Without a subscription we may never know 🙄

by Anonymousreply 2August 13, 2022 12:29 PM

From the linked article: Never married, previous relationship with a man, lived together, threw parties, vacationing together, immaculate and eye-catching uniform, arguing over its decor. Hmm...

by Anonymousreply 3August 13, 2022 12:31 PM

Let’s be clear up front: No one knows for sure whether Archibald Butt and Francis Davis Millet were in a romantic relationship. In the times and society in which they lived, for such a thing to become known would have meant ruin.

Here’s what we do know. Butt never married. Millet was estranged from his wife and had a previous relationship with a man. Butt and Millet lived together in a mansion in a tony Washington neighborhood, where they threw parties for the city’s elite — including Butt’s boss, President William Howard Taft.

And in the weeks before they died on the Titanic, they were vacationing together in Europe.

“The enduring partnership of Butt and Millet was an early case of ‘Don’t ask, don’t tell,’ " historian Richard Davenport-Hines wrote in 2012, referring to the policy that once required gay members of the military to keep their sexuality secret. A National Park Service page for the White House memorial fountain in their honor says they were “widely believed to have been romantically involved with one another.” The Butt-Millet Memorial Fountain circa 1913. (Harris & Ewing/Library of Congress)

Millet was the older of the two, born into a well-to-do family in Massachusetts in 1848. As a teen during the Civil War, he served as an assistant to his surgeon father. He studied art at Harvard, then worked as a reporter as he traveled the world. He won acclaim for his murals at an art school in Belgium and for his writing as a war correspondent in the Russo-Turkish War. He and the travel journalist Charles Warren Stoddard exchanged love letters after a romantic affair in Italy.

Rose Cleveland: The gay first lady who sent love letters to her longtime partner

He married in 1879 and had children with his wife, but as his career and profile grew, he mostly lived away from them.

Butt was born in Augusta, Ga., in 1865. His father died when he was a teenager, and as the eldest child, he was soon supporting his siblings and became very close with his mother. She moved with him to Tennessee when he left for college, and again when he moved to Washington, D.C., where he worked as a reporter for several newspapers and made a name for himself on the social scene.

At age 34, he joined the military and served as a supply officer in the Philippines and Cuba, where he rose through the ranks quickly after displaying an excellent aptitude for logistics. In 1908, he was recalled to Washington to serve as an aide to President Theodore Roosevelt.

He was brilliant at the job, organizing the president’s schedule and state dinners and even going with Roosevelt on his frequent hunting, climbing and riding excursions. When Roosevelt’s successor, Taft, took office, Butt stayed on. The two men became extremely close — most photographs from Taft’s presidency show Butt nearby, dressed in an immaculate and eye-catching uniform. Behind the scenes, he was a key negotiator on budget issues. According to the New York Times, Butt had memorized the names of 1,280 guests at a state dinner and introduced them all to Taft in one hour. Presidential aide Archibald Butt, left in uniform, stands with President William Howard Taft, center, observing a parade. (Bain News Service/Library of Congress)

His social cachet extended outside his work. He lived with Millet in a Foggy Bottom mansion (now housing a George Washington University law clinic), where other bachelors occasionally rented rooms, and where Butt and Millet threw legendary parties. There were constant rumors that Butt was about to announce his engagement to the latest society girl, though shortly before his death, he told the Times he had been a bachelor so long that he “had better stay so to the end of the chapter.”

by Anonymousreply 4August 13, 2022 12:34 PM

It is not known how Millet and Butt met, but the two were sharing the mansion and playfully arguing over its decor by 1910, according to Davenport-Hines. Butt was a prolific letter writer — a fact particularly important to Roosevelt and Taft biographers — but he rarely wrote of his personal life and referred to Millet as “my artist friend who lives with me.”

The last months of Butt’s life were stressful. His old boss, Roosevelt, and his current boss, Taft, had a public falling out, leading Roosevelt to run for president to unseat the man he’d picked to succeed him. Butt felt torn between the two men, both of whom he greatly respected, and he had grown thin and pale and appeared run-down, a friend recounted later to The Washington Post. Millet urged Butt to take a vacation with him and rest, and when Butt demurred, Millet convinced Taft to order his aide to deliver a letter to the pope in Rome. Butt and Millet left for Europe in March 1912, sharing a stateroom on the ship Berlin.

They had separate rooms on the return voyage aboard the Titanic. At a brief stop in Ireland, Millet sent a letter to a friend praising the luxurious ship and complaining of “a number of obnoxious, ostentatious American women.”

It was the last anyone would ever hear from them. The ship hit an iceberg and began to sink. One survivor saw Butt standing near John Jacob Astor. Rumors of Butt escorting women onto rescue boats were later proved false.

When Taft learned of the Titanic disaster, his first thought was of his aide; early coverage in The Post focused on Butt and another prominent Washingtonian: “NO NEWS OF MAJ. BUTT OR CLARENCE MOORE,” an April 17 headline read. Newsboys hold copies of The Washington Post with headlines about the Titanic and the disappearance of Maj. Archibald Butt and another prominent Washingtonian. (Lewis Hine/National Archives and Records Administration)

The Washington Times quoted a friend who said “the two men had a sympathy of mind which was most unusual.” The Post said they were the “closest of friends,” comparing them to ancient Greek figures Damon and Pythias, who were willing to die for each other. Historian James Gifford, writing for OutHistory, suggested this comparison may have been an oblique way of signaling they were gay.

by Anonymousreply 5August 13, 2022 12:35 PM

Millet’s body was later found; Butt’s was not. At a memorial service for Butt, Taft was meant to speak but became so overcome with emotion that he couldn’t continue.

Within weeks of their deaths, plans were underway to honor them with a White House fountain. The official reason was to honor the two Titanic dead who had been part of the federal government — Millet had a mostly symbolic role as vice chair of the U.S. Commission on Fine Arts.

Located on the southwest side of the White House near the E Street entrance, the fountain has a central pillar. On one side, facing south, is a male figure in bas-relief, with a helmet and shield, representing military valor (and presumably Butt). On the other side, facing north, is a beautiful woman with a paintbrush and palette, representing art (and presumably Millet).

A simple inscription reads: “In memory of Francis Davis Millet — 1846-1912 — and Archibald Willingham Butt — 1865-1912. This monument has been erected by their friends with the sanction of Congress.” correction

A previous version of this story incorrectly stated that William Howard Taft was Theodore Roosevelt's vice president. He was his secretary of war.

by Anonymousreply 6August 13, 2022 12:36 PM

Did Butt take it in the butt?

by Anonymousreply 7August 13, 2022 12:41 PM

The Butt-Millet Memorial Fountain circa 1913. (Harris & Ewing/Library of Congress)

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by Anonymousreply 8August 13, 2022 12:47 PM

Sounds like they had a wonderful life together considering the time that they lived. My guess that facing the end together is the way they would have preferred it

by Anonymousreply 9August 13, 2022 12:50 PM

Presidential aide Archibald Butt, left in uniform, stands with President William Howard Taft, center, observing a parade. (Bain News Service/Library of Congress)

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by Anonymousreply 10August 13, 2022 12:52 PM

Everybody was sure fat back then

by Anonymousreply 11August 13, 2022 12:58 PM

Newsboys hold copies of The Washington Post with headlines about the Titanic and the disappearance of Maj. Archibald Butt and another prominent Washingtonian. (Lewis Hine/National Archives and Records Administration)

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by Anonymousreply 12August 13, 2022 1:00 PM

Let's try this again...

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by Anonymousreply 13August 13, 2022 1:05 PM

My God, OF COURSE they were gay and in a relationship!

The comments to that article are pathetic: lots of “Well, there’s no proof!” Because they didn’t run out and yell “We are homos”!??

by Anonymousreply 14August 13, 2022 1:13 PM

Some of the comments (and with a DL sensibility)...

[quote]Great article on two men in our city’s history. Also, I have learned that the design of the fountain is elevated off the ground to provide drinking water for horses. Sweet!

[quote]Fascinating article. I enjoy learning the backstory behind our city’s history.

[quote]They went down together...?

[quote]If political people's sex lives are pertinent enough to write a story about, what about that of Lindsey Graham, who currently occupies a powerful office? What's his deal? That is, assuming these things are relevant. Maybe it's cool to report on or care about only after the prominent subject is long since dead. Or perhaps it's all just hypocritical game-playing. Lindsey, you know, he deserves the space he needs to be a private citizen. Lord help him when he's dead, though, because then big media will tell what they know. Selectively.

[quote]Then again, there was J. Edgar Hoover and Clyde Tolson.

[quote]Determining whether Hoover and Tolson were more than "just friends" actually has some value. It's been alleged that Hoover had been blackmailed for years by the mob, using some purported compromising photos. If that allegation is ever proven true (unlikely all these years later), historians may develop interesting insights.

[quote]With all due respect to historical curiosity, but this reminds me of the scene in Young Frankenstein when Frau Blucher confesses to Victor Frankenstein's grandson (Gene Wilder): Yes, yes, say it -- he vas my boyfriend!

[quote]It's a good thing this is a text forum; if any nearby horse heard the word "Blucher" spoken,..well, you know.

by Anonymousreply 15August 13, 2022 1:40 PM

Fags!

by Anonymousreply 16August 13, 2022 2:17 PM

I bet he was the Butt of jokes.

by Anonymousreply 17August 13, 2022 2:38 PM

complaining of “a number of obnoxious, ostentatious American women.”

They were Data Loungers!

by Anonymousreply 18August 13, 2022 2:58 PM

Those two old queens!

by Anonymousreply 19August 13, 2022 2:59 PM

I bet they lived in a foggy bottom mansion

by Anonymousreply 20August 13, 2022 2:59 PM

Of course those two queens HAD to take the Titanic. It was the most glamour ship of its day, the ultimate in luxury travel.

by Anonymousreply 21August 13, 2022 3:00 PM

We're dressed in our best and are prepared to go down on gentleman

by Anonymousreply 22August 13, 2022 3:02 PM

Oh I do love me a ship full of sea men

by Anonymousreply 23August 13, 2022 3:03 PM

@r15, "Determining whether Hoover and Tolson were more than "just friends"

People can be so thick sometimes 🙄

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by Anonymousreply 24August 13, 2022 3:05 PM

No, OP, but only because it wasn't such a big secret.

by Anonymousreply 25August 13, 2022 3:10 PM

Just who does that Molly Brown think she is? She's nothing but nouveau riche trash!

by Anonymousreply 26August 13, 2022 3:13 PM

In college I did a research paper on Senator Albert J. Beveridge; reading a biography of the man published in the 1930s, I encountered quotes from letters written to Beveridge by Archie Butt -- the two men had met aboard a ship sailing to The Philippines in 1901 -- and it was incredibly obvious in the letters that Butt harbored a major crush on Beveridge (pictured); no indication that Beveridge returned the feeling.

Beveridge is noted for his progressive legislation, notably the Federal Meat Inspection Act of 1906, which followed the publication of Upton Sinclair's The Jungle; but he was also a thorough-going racist and staunch imperialist -- his "The March of the Flag" speech from 1900 is particularly chilling in its assertion that America had a Christian mission to "civilize" the former Spanish colonies that the USA had recently acquired, and as the chair of the Senate Committee on Territories, opposed statehood for Arizona and New Mexico, asserting there weren't enough white people in those areas and that the Hispanics and Native Americans were "intellectually incapable of understanding the concept of self-governance."

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by Anonymousreply 27August 13, 2022 3:25 PM

Beveridge is noted for his progressive legislation, notably the Federal Meat Inspection Act

meat inspection act? oh hun, he was gay

by Anonymousreply 28August 13, 2022 3:28 PM

Oh Mr Beveridge, you can inspect my meat any day

by Anonymousreply 29August 13, 2022 3:29 PM

He was a hawt racist.

by Anonymousreply 30August 13, 2022 3:39 PM

He only inspected white meat. No dark.

by Anonymousreply 31August 13, 2022 3:51 PM

His safety word was iceberg

by Anonymousreply 32August 13, 2022 3:54 PM

Datalounge’s favorite candy r30.

by Anonymousreply 33August 13, 2022 4:31 PM

There were two or three other gay men in first class. Also at least one in second class and a crew member as well.

by Anonymousreply 34August 13, 2022 4:40 PM

Yes.

by Anonymousreply 35August 13, 2022 4:44 PM

Archived copy of OP's article.

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by Anonymousreply 36August 13, 2022 5:06 PM

We need a gay remake of Titanic - stat!

by Anonymousreply 37August 13, 2022 5:11 PM

The Butt Memorial Bridge in Augusta GA was built in honor of Archibald. Strange how all of these memorials to the man revolve around water.

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by Anonymousreply 38August 13, 2022 6:24 PM

This may be one of the other alleged gay first class men:

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by Anonymousreply 39August 13, 2022 6:29 PM

Second class homo. He had a bf onboard, too. They died together, like Butt and Millet

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by Anonymousreply 40August 13, 2022 7:25 PM

^ Confirmed bachelor who dated mostly in Europe...

Gruesome end 😬

by Anonymousreply 41August 13, 2022 7:26 PM

Archibald Butt has power bottom written all over his face.

by Anonymousreply 42August 13, 2022 7:32 PM

So when they died, Millet was 65 and Butt was 46?

ZADDY!

by Anonymousreply 43August 13, 2022 7:41 PM

There were approximately 1,680 men (passengers and crew) aboard the Titanic. If we accept that 4-6% of the male population is homosexual, then there were probably 70 to 100 gay men on the ship. Only 19% of the men aboard survived.

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by Anonymousreply 44August 13, 2022 7:48 PM

Archibald Butt is the gayest name ever.

by Anonymousreply 45August 13, 2022 7:49 PM

R38, I wonder if any gay cruising ever occurred on the Butt bridge

by Anonymousreply 46August 13, 2022 7:53 PM

Of course there were gays aboard the Titanic. That's the reason God sank it!

by Anonymousreply 47August 13, 2022 7:55 PM

If Butt's boss was Taft, then that would make them closet case rethugs today.

Did they know Miss Lindseybelle?

by Anonymousreply 48August 13, 2022 8:05 PM

^ This, today these guys would all be Log Cabin Republicans

by Anonymousreply 49August 13, 2022 8:10 PM

Arch ye butt

by Anonymousreply 50August 13, 2022 8:20 PM

Millet sounds like my dream man. Worldly. masculine, rich, clearly a dominate top.

by Anonymousreply 51August 13, 2022 8:25 PM

Millet working the fabulous fur hat


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by Anonymousreply 52August 13, 2022 8:28 PM

You had my at Archibald Butt

by Anonymousreply 53August 13, 2022 8:38 PM

Archie Butt was friends with A. Piatt Andrew

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by Anonymousreply 54August 13, 2022 8:48 PM

The more I read on this, the more I'm totally fascinated by it.

by Anonymousreply 55August 13, 2022 8:53 PM

WTF are we trying to guess? Where are the eldergays on here who knew them? Chime in, bitches!

by Anonymousreply 56August 13, 2022 8:59 PM

R56, what do you expect?

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by Anonymousreply 57August 13, 2022 9:10 PM

From article at link:

[quote] According to the New York Times story, Major Butt wore a copper colored Norfolk jacket fastened by big ball shaped red porcelain buttons, a lavender tie, and a tall bay wing collar. His trousers were made of the same material as his coat. A derby hat with a broad, flat brim and patent leather shoes with white tops completed his ensemble. He wrote a bouquet of lilies in his buttonhole and he tucked a cambric handkerchief up his left sleeve. Major Butt wasn’t wearing an overcoat and he shivered as the wind whipped his jacket and tie and swept the deck of the Berlin.

[quote] One of the reporters asked Major Butt if the rumor about his engagement to Miss Dorothy Williams of Washington, D.C. were true. The New York Times story quoted him as saying rather wistfully, “I wish it were. This bachelorhood is a miserable existence. I have distress signals flying at the fore, and will refuse no reasonable offer to enter the matrimonial field. I’ll do the best I can, and if this leap year gets away before I get a wife I shall feel very much discouraged.”

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by Anonymousreply 58August 13, 2022 9:53 PM

Hey, NYT reporter: why don't you ask the big ball shaped red porcelain buttons and lavender tie?

by Anonymousreply 59August 13, 2022 9:57 PM

R54 The gay subtext is glaring in those journal entries and "obliterated" passages.

by Anonymousreply 60August 13, 2022 10:31 PM

An interesting discussion about possible gays and lesbians onboard the TITANIC. From the Encyclopedia Titanica website:

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by Anonymousreply 61August 14, 2022 12:09 AM

They were probably fucking around with one of the stewards or some rough trade from steerage class when the Titanic hit the iceberg.

by Anonymousreply 62August 14, 2022 12:11 AM

Yes, R62—in another passenger's car!

by Anonymousreply 63August 14, 2022 12:40 AM

Fynney was a handsome bachelor and spent a lot of his time in the company of younger men. He worked with delinquents at his parish church, St. James, Toxteth, and neighbours often complained about the late night comings and goings of younger men to his house at Parkway in Liverpool. He often travelled to Canada to visit his family, and each time he made the trip, he brought a male companion with him. On this occasion he was travelling with eighteen year old apprentice barrel maker, William Alfred Gaskell.

by Anonymousreply 64August 14, 2022 12:44 AM

I think the only logical explanation is that everyone who died on the Titanic was participating in a giant orgy. That's why they drowned.

by Anonymousreply 65August 14, 2022 1:00 AM

[quote] On this occasion he was travelling with eighteen year old apprentice barrel maker, William Alfred Gaskell.

"Alfred" (as he preferred to be called) had a hot ass but couldn't live forever.

by Anonymousreply 66August 14, 2022 1:05 AM

First Lady Butt !!

His [Butt's[ efficient service and Southern manners had caught the attention of Roosevelt, who appointed him as his Presidential military aide. Butt became indispensable to both Roosevelt and his family, becoming manager of the White House stables and visiting the Roosevelts at their New York home, Sagamore Hill. When Roosevelt was replaced by his chosen successor, Taft, Major Butt soon became close friends with the new president and his family. After Helen Taft suffered a stroke in May 1909, Butt took over some of her ceremonial and management duties as First Lady.

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by Anonymousreply 67August 14, 2022 3:19 AM

Lady Butt Johnson

by Anonymousreply 68August 14, 2022 5:51 PM

Millet's affair with Charley Stoddard (Charles Warren Stoddard) in italy is detailed in the attached blog post.

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by Anonymousreply 69August 14, 2022 8:05 PM

There's a really good book called Gilded Lives, Fatal Voyage about the 1st class passengers on the Titanic. The author is family and there's a chapter dedicated to possibly gay or bi passengers

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by Anonymousreply 70August 14, 2022 8:21 PM

Loved that book, r70!

by Anonymousreply 71August 14, 2022 9:50 PM

Did one put his peepee in the other’s ass?

by Anonymousreply 72August 14, 2022 11:13 PM

no r72 he put his millet in my butt

by Anonymousreply 73August 14, 2022 11:28 PM

Almost all of the crew members were male, I wonder if any of them messed around with each other

by Anonymousreply 74August 15, 2022 12:12 AM

Butt, Foggy Bottom. All we need is a Johnson to tie up the loose ends.

by Anonymousreply 75August 15, 2022 12:18 AM

Edward Dorking, a third class passenger who survived by clinging to an overturned lifeboat
his final years are sad indeed


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by Anonymousreply 76August 15, 2022 1:33 AM

This thread intrigued me. I found a website that documents all passengers in different class and work categories. Very interesting.

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by Anonymousreply 77August 15, 2022 1:34 AM

The text of Dorking's recount of what happened is in a May 1912 newspaper story here:

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by Anonymousreply 78August 15, 2022 1:44 AM

His life was so sad r78


by Anonymousreply 79August 16, 2022 4:25 PM

I hope to God they weren't , OP ! EEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

by Anonymousreply 80August 16, 2022 4:28 PM

Are only the young and attractive allowed to hook up, r80?

by Anonymousreply 81August 16, 2022 11:16 PM

[quote] Are only the young and attractive allowed to hook up ?

no, the old and attractive are allowed as well

by Anonymousreply 82August 18, 2022 12:32 AM

So I guess, regardless of class, the card playing rooms were where all the gay cruising took place?

[quote] On the night that the RMS Titanic would descend beneath the freezing waters of the Atlantic Ocean, Major Archibald Butt and artist Francis Millet were playing cards in the smoking room reserved for first-class passengers.

[quote] "I was in the music room playing cards with several companions. When the boat collided with the berg, we were thrown from the bench on which we were sitting." -- From Dorking's account

by Anonymousreply 83August 18, 2022 12:42 AM

At least they escaped monkeypox

by Anonymousreply 84August 18, 2022 2:30 AM

I always wondered if Sidney Collett was gay...

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by Anonymousreply 85August 18, 2022 7:35 PM

They were the biggest NON-secret in Washington.

Everybody .. EVERYBODY knew.

Their smushname was BUTTLET

by Anonymousreply 86August 18, 2022 7:40 PM

So
 they went down on the ship?

by Anonymousreply 87August 18, 2022 8:20 PM

[quote] he rarely wrote of his personal life and referred to Millet as “my artist friend who lives with me.”

Well that settles it! They were just very good friends!

by Anonymousreply 88August 18, 2022 8:31 PM

[quote] Millet’s body was later found; Butt’s was not.

It's too bad these boys couldn't have been buried together.

Who should play them in the film treatment?

by Anonymousreply 89August 21, 2022 5:10 AM

This website about the First Class Homes of First Class Passengers on the Titanic includes our couple and has a photo of their home at 2000 G St NW, Washington, DC. It's about a third of the way into the article.

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by Anonymousreply 90August 22, 2022 12:04 AM

Joel Brooks as Major Butt.

by Anonymousreply 91August 22, 2022 2:32 AM

Simon Callow as Francis Davis Millet—for that touch of class.

by Anonymousreply 92August 22, 2022 2:44 AM

I thought of Simon Callow as Millet too! Except he's not American

by Anonymousreply 93August 22, 2022 4:52 AM

Fascinating story and a great research.

R27, Beveridge looked like Christopher Reeve. Hot.

by Anonymousreply 94August 23, 2022 4:45 AM

is that one of you elder gays in the glasses at 3.08?

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by Anonymousreply 95August 23, 2022 2:39 PM

[quote] Aboard the Carpathia, I saw six Chinamen who had escaped in the life-boats, disguised as women

From r78 link. James Cameron should have included this in his movie.

by Anonymousreply 96August 23, 2022 3:04 PM

It was a very Anglo-Saxon-centric period where anyone who was not a full blooded WASP was viewed with suspicion and in most cases, outright hatred. Didn’t the crew lock up the mainly Italian restaurant staff in their own quarters, leaving them to drown. Only two women and one man from the Ritz Carlton restaurant survived. The women because they were Englishwomen and one of the staff because he was not wearing his uniform. I certainly don’t see anything particularly honorable about the behavior of the British crew. Some of them were downright ignorant and brutal.

by Anonymousreply 97August 23, 2022 5:03 PM

what are you on about? r97 Never heard of Italian staff being locked up and there was no restaurant called The Ritz Carlton onboard the Titanic. Perhaps you mean The À la Carte Restaurant?

by Anonymousreply 98August 24, 2022 9:08 AM

They were not hot so who cares.

by Anonymousreply 99August 24, 2022 9:38 AM

No. Next.

by Anonymousreply 100August 24, 2022 9:56 AM

A la carte, sorry.

by Anonymousreply 101August 24, 2022 12:22 PM

I don’t know if they were secretly a couple but they were both openly TUBBY .

by Anonymousreply 102August 24, 2022 12:36 PM

[quote]I don’t know if they were secretly a couple but they were both openly TUBBY .

Being tubby was a good thing during the Gilded Era. It was a sign of affluence.

by Anonymousreply 103August 24, 2022 7:53 PM

Twenty years prior, Daddy "Frank" would probably have been considered Datalounge hot.

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by Anonymousreply 104August 24, 2022 8:26 PM

Thomson Beattie wasn’t bad looking when he was younger, but plumped up at bit as he aged


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by Anonymousreply 105August 25, 2022 12:05 AM

I remember reading about the Italian staff of one of Titanic's restaurants being locked up in their quarters. They were all lost.

by Anonymousreply 106August 25, 2022 2:06 AM

[quote] It was a sign of affluence.

In their case, it was effluence.

by Anonymousreply 107August 25, 2022 3:48 AM

Edith (Rosenbaum) Russell was the Carrie Bradshaw of her day.

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by Anonymousreply 108August 25, 2022 12:27 PM

Of course, they were a couple.

The Unsinkable Molly Brown had video of them on her cell phone dry humping near the ship's aft grand staircase outside The Café Parisien.

by Anonymousreply 109August 27, 2022 9:03 PM

R38 The Butt Bridge is an interesting one to go over, if it is clear and you are going just the speed limit, you get a little air-time at the top and it affects the stomach.

by Anonymousreply 110August 27, 2022 9:08 PM

Leave it to DL to fat-shame gay men who have been dead for over 100 years.

by Anonymousreply 111August 27, 2022 11:26 PM

r109 they made OnlyFans videos from their stateroom

by Anonymousreply 112August 28, 2022 10:14 AM

I don't recall seeing them.

by Anonymousreply 113August 28, 2022 10:27 AM

What happened to the victims who met their end by staying inside the ship? Did they drown or were they killed by the sea pressure as the hulk of the ship sank into the ocean?

by Anonymousreply 114August 28, 2022 11:14 PM

R114, a lot of them didn't driwn because of the life vests. They just died from hypothermia in the cold water

by Anonymousreply 115August 29, 2022 12:08 AM

Oops, drown not "driwn"

by Anonymousreply 116August 29, 2022 12:14 AM

I imagine many of those who were inside the ship were already dead before the ship even broke in two.

by Anonymousreply 117August 29, 2022 1:11 AM

How’d they die, r117?

by Anonymousreply 118August 31, 2022 5:39 PM

Many would have been trapped in flooded compartments.

by Anonymousreply 119August 31, 2022 5:42 PM

And if they weren’t flooded, the further the ship sank the more pressure in the atmosphere would’ve crushed them.

by Anonymousreply 120August 31, 2022 5:59 PM

[quote]clearly a dominate top.

Oh, DEAR!

by Anonymousreply 121August 31, 2022 6:00 PM

Seems pretty obvious that they were a couple and their friends and colleagues were aware even if it wasn't something one discussed openly at the time. Given the times, I find the fountain extremely moving.

by Anonymousreply 122August 31, 2022 6:39 PM

My god some of those comments at WaPo are obnoxious. Everything has to be turned into a bitter discussion over race, contemporary politics, etc.

by Anonymousreply 123August 31, 2022 6:48 PM

I think Millett's body was found, but Butt's never was

by Anonymousreply 124August 31, 2022 8:17 PM

Of course, they were lovers.

by Anonymousreply 125August 31, 2022 8:20 PM

Butt sank like a dead walrus and was never found.

by Anonymousreply 126August 31, 2022 8:23 PM

Thomson Beattie died so tragically. He died not long before the rescue came.

by Anonymousreply 127September 28, 2022 11:41 PM

R127, IIRC they left his body in the swamped collapsible boat that floated away from the ship as she sank. His body was recovered by an ocean liner a few weeks later. Can’t remember if he was buried at sea or if he pos body was returned to his native Canada.

by Anonymousreply 128September 29, 2022 1:04 AM
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by Anonymousreply 129September 29, 2022 3:38 PM

Brilliant r129!

by Anonymousreply 130September 29, 2022 4:40 PM

How long do you think it will be before someone else makes a movie about the Titanic?

by Anonymousreply 131October 19, 2022 1:15 PM

Went down together.

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