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What are YOUR theories as to what’s going on with the FBI investigation of trump?

This thread is for us to share what WE think happened. Not posting tidbits and speculation from other sources.

I believe he was routinely trading classified documents for personal gain. Maybe he was funneling it through Jared or his hotels, but I think he did this from day one.

The particular documents he took back home I believe are because people would pay him, foreigners most likely, to the view the documents in person and take pictures rather that try ti send them electronically.

They paid a fee and were allowed to peruse the documents on site at maralago.

I believe that the FBI will prove this. He was selling state secrets in exchange for cash.

by Anonymousreply 376August 17, 2022 9:01 PM

Really curious to know what everyone is thinking on this.

by Anonymousreply 1August 12, 2022 9:52 PM

You sound plausible to me, OP.

by Anonymousreply 2August 12, 2022 9:57 PM

Your theories are sound. He could have many "guests" visiting Mar-A-Lago, it was his safe space, so there was ample opportunity for this kind of treasonous selling of secrets. And Trump is nothing if not an opportunist.

by Anonymousreply 3August 12, 2022 9:58 PM

He wouldn't have to email or send actual documents; he could just let them be viewed. No paper or electronic trail. I would even speculate that he ALREADY had done this in the Whie House. All those closed-door private meetings with foreign leaders. Hmmm. Very possible.

by Anonymousreply 4August 12, 2022 10:04 PM

Have any foreign agents visited maralago

by Anonymousreply 5August 12, 2022 10:07 PM

And the already proven multiple incidents where he destroyed and flushed documents down the toilets, so much so that they had to have the plumbing unclogged for Christ's sake.

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by Anonymousreply 6August 12, 2022 10:12 PM

[quote]I believe he was routinely trading classified documents for personal gain.

What part of that sentence is NOT posting tidbits and speculation from other sources?

by Anonymousreply 7August 12, 2022 10:16 PM

There is no way Trump’s ‘distressed’ toilet looks as clean as what’s pictured in R6.

by Anonymousreply 8August 12, 2022 10:21 PM

Zat ez peecter fore de publik. Reel toylette ez dezgusting.

by Anonymousreply 9August 12, 2022 10:33 PM

Sounds completely plausible OP.

And may I add, he was securing some of them for specific blackmail/extortion purposes.

I don’t believe he ONLY secured nuclear armament intelligence. I believe he collected plenty of classified documents pertaining to public figures, politicians, world leaders and private citizens, including files on himself and his own business associates, past and present, as well as information on his family.

There’s a LOT more than what the media is able to report to us, because the FBI and other security agencies themselves, aren’t able to share exactly what they sought, AND even among them, only those with the highest of security clearances were able to accurately verify & Authenticate what they were after, and what they found.

IF he indeed stole DOD highly classified nuke materials, he is toast.

You’d have to be THE DUMBEST person on earth to do something like this.

I said it in another thread several days ago. You fuck around with the US Government, or get in the way of something they want, whether you are a country or an individual? The US government will without a doubt, fuck you up.

by Anonymousreply 10August 12, 2022 10:40 PM

At first I read the note in the pic on the left as BOOGERS

by Anonymousreply 11August 12, 2022 10:41 PM

My theory is Trump is going down because he’s a serious, grave threat to our national security and his incarceration will be used to set an example to others, both domestic and foreign operators; he is so shamelessly corrupt he cannot be allowed to roam free. Not since The Rosenbergs have we seen similar treasonous acts. It’s over for him and they have the receipts to prove it.

by Anonymousreply 12August 12, 2022 11:01 PM

[quote]Have any foreign agents visited maralago?

A Chinese woman was arrested there a few years ago after she slipped in. The official story was that she was a stalker but there were a lot of rumors she was was a spy. The news articles are probably still online.

by Anonymousreply 13August 12, 2022 11:08 PM

R7 i didn’t mean you couldn’t overlap with existing theories just that I’m curious as what people suspect happened.

Good answers so far. If everyone is thinking the same thing then it’s probably true.

He thought he would have a second term to finish all this off. When he didn’t get one, I believe he brought the operation home because he was already doing some of it there, away from the watchful eyes of Washington. it’s so lucrative he couldn’t pass it up so he brought it home full time.

It’s all the countries secrets for sale on the open market. Remember Xi visited him there.

by Anonymousreply 14August 12, 2022 11:23 PM

It’s possible that this is what his entire presidency was about. Remember all the international host of characters he engaged? He never spent much time talking about domestic issues. He was obsessed with other countries.

by Anonymousreply 15August 12, 2022 11:24 PM

IMHO they need to very aggressively prosecute him. The longer they let it linger, the more he will try and introduce chaos. There is no longer any need to show him “deference” as a past President.

by Anonymousreply 16August 12, 2022 11:33 PM

I believe they must really have the goods. Either audio or video or something concrete. I also think this so just the tip of the iceberg on what they have.

by Anonymousreply 17August 12, 2022 11:38 PM

Put R18 on ignore and then take a look at what a fucking idiot it is. Pathetic and woefully ill-informed.

by Anonymousreply 19August 12, 2022 11:51 PM

The Jan. 6 hearings aren't over and the committee just got a treasure trove of damning new info.

by Anonymousreply 20August 12, 2022 11:55 PM

If he was selling secrets or documents, it would explain why he was willing to attempt a something as extreme as a coup to stay in power.

by Anonymousreply 21August 12, 2022 11:59 PM

I want to see the photos in the album -especially those of Macron and Trudeau ( although the photos of Ms L. Graham are probably worth more, I just don’t think my delicate sensibilities can take them…)

by Anonymousreply 22August 13, 2022 12:06 AM

I said this a couple different threads but I really wonder if the J6 committee found something on Alex Jones phone about documents at lardo. The warrant was signed the day after they received the phone data and we know how close he is with the whole crew of traitors. Trump and Jones are both loud mouth braggarts and I can easily imagine that Jones was aware the documents existed, even though Trump may not have told him directly.

I can't wait to find out where the tip actually originated.

by Anonymousreply 23August 13, 2022 12:08 AM

R21, yes! Exactly.

Good call.

by Anonymousreply 24August 13, 2022 12:08 AM

Mark my words, nothing concrete will come of this.

by Anonymousreply 25August 13, 2022 12:12 AM

Mark my words. You are a fuckhead.

by Anonymousreply 26August 13, 2022 12:14 AM

If they have probable cause the ALREADY have something on him. He refused to return documents for over a YEAR. That's something right there, BEFORE the raid, shithead.

by Anonymousreply 27August 13, 2022 12:15 AM

The Alex Jones phone theory makes sense, R23.

by Anonymousreply 28August 13, 2022 12:16 AM

I think there will be an avalanche of indictments being unsealed right around the time that the top people involved are arrested. There will be dozens--if not hundreds--of arrests, including many unfamiliar names.

This is the biggest investigation in DOJ history. Anyone, especially politicians, with knowledge of the crimes committed (but who may not have been directly involved) should be clamoring to protect themselves. But I can't wait to see certain idiots take a fall for their evil Orange overlord.

We're in for an unprecedented period of reckoning.

by Anonymousreply 29August 13, 2022 12:29 AM

There has NEVER been someone so corrupt in the United States. Nixon was an amateur in comparison. Trump is unparalleled scum.

by Anonymousreply 30August 13, 2022 12:34 AM

Throwing another motive into the mix: shank Obama. Several of the seized documents related to Obama-era initiatives and events.

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by Anonymousreply 31August 13, 2022 12:40 AM

At this time, I can't help but believe that Trump is under 24/7 surveillance. As this continues to unravel over the next few months, I can envision Trump, as the Romans, falling on his own sword.

by Anonymousreply 32August 13, 2022 12:43 AM

Right, r28? Liz Cheney, a lawyer with a VP father, is probably one of the most qualified individuals to determine what evidence of criminal activity is contained in the phone data. She would have insight that few others possess.

It doesn't hurt that she isn't encumbered by departmental influence and wants nothing more than the complete devastation of these fucks.

by Anonymousreply 33August 13, 2022 12:44 AM

I disagree OP

You discount how monumentally dumb Trump is.

I think he had these documents and best case, he thought they were great souvenirs and didn't understand why anyone would find them confidential as they didn't seem very important to him.

Worst case, he did not understand them and thought they were evidence that the "Deep State" exists.

Regardless, he didn't want to give them back because he's s toddler and does not like people telling him what to do and thought that as a former president he could (a) say a magic incantation over them and make them declassified and (b) did not have to give them back and that (c) when the FBI told him he had to give them back, they were just doing it to "witch hunt" him, that they had no enforcement abilities

As for why the FBI was concerned, it was because Trump kept them lying about, unsecured, and would often whip them out to show random guests as ain indication of how powerful he was and want to see what a classified document looks like or that the "Deep State" really existed, or both.

They became concerned when they got signals that Russian, Chinese or Iranian intelligence agencies were aware that Trump left the documents easily accessible and were getting agents in place to photograph or steal them.

by Anonymousreply 34August 13, 2022 12:54 AM

^^And that they had reason enough to believe that Trump might have other classified documents lying around that they were unaware of or that he had reported lost

by Anonymousreply 35August 13, 2022 12:56 AM

I tend to believe he took the materials as “mementos” of his presidential tenure and a way to say fuck you to the government. At the same time, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if his motivations were more nefarious.

Either way, however, I don’t think he’ll be subject to any punishment other than being barred from holding political office again.

by Anonymousreply 36August 13, 2022 12:57 AM

Unfortunately, while stupid, Trump is always trying to scam. Hopefully he is busted for sharing/selling classified information. It’s already known that he is in massive debt to foreign nationals.

by Anonymousreply 37August 13, 2022 12:58 AM

Sure. Trump is a genius savvy businessman who knows how to manipulate everyone and gets away with everything. Until he does something really bad and then he's just a big dumb animal who knows nothing and can't read and doesn't even know what the words top secret means.

Sure.

by Anonymousreply 38August 13, 2022 1:03 AM

He was selling access to them. Plus, he's a Russian agent. He always has been. He is not just a useful idiot or just greedy, he is working for Putin. He has been since his first visit to Moscow. He'll give anyone anything for money, but he works for Putin. I will believe that until the day I die. Everything he has ever done or said makes sense if you just admit he truly is a traitor.

by Anonymousreply 39August 13, 2022 1:05 AM

😂😂😂 r36, that's the best you can do? 🤣🤣🤣

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by Anonymousreply 40August 13, 2022 1:11 AM

Trump might be an idiot, but at minimum he's a useful idiot for the international organized crime cabal. Or, as R39 stated, he may very well be an actual Russian agent.

Anyone who isn't looking at this mind-bogglingly huge disaster through mob-colored glasses needs to STFU. Trump = mob. Russia = mob. Trump didn't get "caught up" with criminals; he's been one all along.

by Anonymousreply 41August 13, 2022 1:12 AM

He’s working on his next book:

The Shart of the Deal

by Anonymousreply 42August 13, 2022 1:14 AM

Too many spy novelists on here.

Trump's genius, if he has one, is that he is a shameless self-promoter. He pretty much willed the Trump brand into existence by making sure he was in every gossip column 24/7. He would sell his hotels to anyone who would listen to him in a comically over the top manner.

I have told this story many times on here -- my parents met him at a charity event in NYC in the late 80s. My mother was pregnant with my brother and Trump kept trying to convince my parents to go to his Atlantic City hotel, making all sorts of ludicrously over the top statements like "pregnant women write to me all the time to tell me how the best night's sleep they'd gotten in months was in one of our beds" - but they said that there was something sort of charming about him, that he knew that you knew he was full of shit.

So that was his gift--not that he made any kind of brilliant deals--he would charm people into doing things for him because he was so unfiltered.

It's sort of charming when he's talking about a hotel room or restaurant.

Very scary when he is talking about the FBI or anything serious.

But like many clowns he has a dark side and will turn on and backstab anyone who gets close to him

by Anonymousreply 43August 13, 2022 1:15 AM

Trump is a crime boss, period. He may be a useful idiot for other more powerful crime bosses, but make no mistake within his own network of criminals, he is the mastermind.

by Anonymousreply 44August 13, 2022 1:15 AM

Remember his visit to the Saudis with that orb that lit up, he and Jared have been selling us out for $$$$$$$

by Anonymousreply 45August 13, 2022 1:17 AM

This thread reads like the Upside Down version of Truth Social

by Anonymousreply 46August 13, 2022 1:20 AM

He is not doing this alone. Trump does not read.

by Anonymousreply 47August 13, 2022 1:21 AM

I think the January 6 hearings were a bust, the NY prosecution is basically going nowhere, they’re likely not gonna charge him in GA, Biden’s old, the economy and inflation and gas prices suck, COVID is still a thing, monkey pox is now a thing, morale is low, and Democrats are staring down the barrel of a red wave. Trump is still the biggest threat to Democrats and the GOP on the whole isn’t willing to put their emerging majority on the line just to take him down. Kinzinger and Liz Cheney were sacrificial lambs, but they’re about to be gone. So they have to try something, anything, to take him down.

by Anonymousreply 48August 13, 2022 1:26 AM

One thing we've learned about him over the past 6 years, is that every time he's done something bad, it turns out to be far worse than initially thought. I think even the media is starting to catch on.

by Anonymousreply 49August 13, 2022 1:26 AM

Trump got his ass handed to him by American voters, r48.

Your guy lost fair and square. He's a LOSER.

Sad.

by Anonymousreply 50August 13, 2022 1:40 AM

My question is: how did the boxes, documents, etc. leave the White House premises in the first place? No aides, security, staff? There should be some sort of protocol in leaving the WH for the last time. Inspections, etc.

by Anonymousreply 51August 13, 2022 1:42 AM

^ There’s been no evidence that other ex-presidents, since Nixon, have tried to steal the nation’s secrets

by Anonymousreply 52August 13, 2022 1:44 AM

His aides supervised tge packing if boxes. Maybe Meadows and Kayleigh packed the confidential stuff he had been hoarding. Other Presidents followed the rules because they had some dignity and patriotism.

by Anonymousreply 53August 13, 2022 1:47 AM

[quote] how did the boxes, documents, etc. leave the White House premises in the first place?

Of course it was all planned and executed. It will be interesting to find out who was involved and how it was done. It was no small feat. Not just a matter of pocketing a tchotchka off the mantelpiece.

My hunch is that one of the team members is the informant.

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by Anonymousreply 54August 13, 2022 1:50 AM

I don't think he knew what was in the boxes in storage, or cared. He's not 'sentimental', he doesn't keep mementos.

He's probably spending 24/7 plotting to become President again; going over his dozen or so lawsuits with his lawyers; fucking big-titty bimbos; planning rallies...

And maybe even running his businesses. He doesn't sell steaks and deodrant anymore, but there's a lot on the plate. Why would he care what was packed away in some dusty boxes almost 2 years ago?

by Anonymousreply 55August 13, 2022 1:56 AM

"even running his businesses"

That slob is not capable of running a business. Any real work is done by attorneys, accountants and the like. He has run every business he has had into the ground. The one exception - grifting as a political figure, both as President and after.

by Anonymousreply 56August 13, 2022 2:00 AM

I’m in my upper 80s. I LOVE this country and what good it has done for so many and the world.

This makes me sick to my stomach what this man has done to undo all the good that generations before have fought for. He is a cancer on our country and his misdeeds and selfish evil will linger for generations.

I know, MARY! But I am angry and depressed how he has abused and damaged our national honor.

by Anonymousreply 57August 13, 2022 2:01 AM

[quote]He's not 'sentimental', he doesn't keep mementos.

“Gifts that made their way from the White House to Mar-a-Lago include a plaque and replica of a piece of the US-Mexico border wall, a signature Trump 2016 campaign pledge, which was previously displayed in the private dining room next to the Oval Office, the Post said. A miniature replica of Air Force One, decorated the way Trump wanted to repaint and redesign it, went from being displayed in the Oval Office to a prominent spot in Mar-a-Lago's lobby.”

by Anonymousreply 58August 13, 2022 2:04 AM

He's all about money but it's going to be useless to him when he's in prison. It warms my heart to think about it.

by Anonymousreply 59August 13, 2022 2:05 AM

Oh honey, he knew what was in the boxes. He stashed them like a seventh grader stashing porn magazines.

by Anonymousreply 60August 13, 2022 2:06 AM

Give 'em hell!. CalCulver at r57

by Anonymousreply 61August 13, 2022 2:08 AM

R57, don't accuse yourself of being a Mary. This really IS as serious as you think--actually, when all is said and done, it's way worse.

Your cancer analogy is spot on. Unfortunately, the tumor has metastasized and we may not recover fully. Trump will be gone soon, but Trumpism may still destroy us.

by Anonymousreply 62August 13, 2022 2:16 AM

His son-in-law, Ivana's husband - the one that looks like a young Montgomery Burns, explained to Trump how much money they could make by selling state secrets. Trump saw $$$ and gave the walking ghoul the go ahead to ferret out whatever he could get his hands on and then find buyers.

Trump wasn't the 'genius' behind the thievery, but the person with the ability to enable the smarter grifter. Jared Kushner - that's the guy's name, the one that's married to Trump's mistress-daughter. He's the one who sparked the idea and found the quickest cash was from the Saudis. There was a reason Kushner had such a keen interest in getting a top level security clearance and it's probably why he was so eager to get it back after Chief of Staff John Kelley downgraded it in 2017.

by Anonymousreply 63August 13, 2022 2:17 AM

I have lost faith that our government will do anything. The cynical part of me thinks this is just more theater to rally up his crazy lunatic Stan base to get them voting in the midterms since a lot of people aren't happy about Roe v Wade. Nothing rallies up the morons like going after Trump. Or it's theater to distract from something else.

I hope I am wrong, of course, but I will believe it when I see it.

by Anonymousreply 64August 13, 2022 2:19 AM

I think it really makes Republicans look bad. I don’t see any way it helps them. FBI and DOJ, these are Republicans.

by Anonymousreply 65August 13, 2022 2:21 AM

One thing they haven't learned like they didn't learn vis-a-vis their power against Russia and China; it's not Trump who needs 'norms', it's them. The 'norms' are the only thing pacifying the general population or large segments of it.

You can't just strip the 'norms' off Trump and think it has no consequence for you. This is what happened after the 2016 election, they pretended and allowed a receptive audience to believe that Trump's election wasn't legitimate, not really, the Russians hacked it etc. Well when you do a 4 year long coup you'll make the people who voted for Trump or at least not Hilary to feel the election isn't legitimate as was seen when Biden won.

And if nobody feels democracy is legitimate anymore... It might make the chances of somebody assassinating Trump higher but he's not really their problem so much as the policies he openly advocated for and in some instances succeeded in implementing. But it also means the establishment and elite have an increasing target on their backs.

In China the regime has legitimacy not from 'norms' but from what it does for the Chinese people (Read: Han Chinese not the general pop) and their collective interests. It means that when sufficient numbers of the Chinese people don't like what they're doing they actually listen.

In Western late stage democracies the government has legitimacy not through what it does or whose interests its serves (The collective interests of the peoples of Western countries aren't even something we can agree upon or indeed who the people are, get too close to ideals of national interest and be declared a xenophobic heretic, the country doesn't belong to anyone bigot!) but simply because it won an election. People have been sadly groomed through representative democracy (Rather than something like a referendum-based democracy) to feel "Well I didn't vote for them but the country did" and so are paralysed to act to overthrow it or even agree upon what needs changing.

Such governments will inevitably be parasitised by small cohesive special interests, run too high a tolerance for foreigners leading to a breakdown in national identity and cohesion and the national good will be destroyed. Such societies will have no ability to challenge over the long term societies like Russia (Though Russia's position is precarious, it could easily slip back into something like what it was like pre-Putin) or China.

by Anonymousreply 66August 13, 2022 2:22 AM

The way we move forward is to implement the strategies outlined in this project. That will require passing legislation to regulate corporations and to impose penalties that outweigh any benefit from non-compliance.

We must vote, get involved locally to work elections, register and transport voters. November is coming soon.

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by Anonymousreply 67August 13, 2022 2:25 AM

R64, are you daft? "I have lost faith that our government will do anything." WTF do you think hundreds of people in the DOJ have been doing? We are in uncharted waters in regard to the magnitude of the investigations.

You either need to sit this out or delve deeper. Your fatalistic hand-wringing serves no good purpose.

by Anonymousreply 68August 13, 2022 2:33 AM

From day one and in plain sight, Trump and Jared instituted a pay for play system in the White House. Did you forget about setting up the back channel for Labrov? Using his DC hotel for conferences? Cohen setting up an LLC for people who wanted access? Why would he leave office without a system where he could continue to grift?

by Anonymousreply 69August 13, 2022 2:37 AM

If he has in fact passed on top secret information to a foreign power he is no different than the Rosenberg's except at this point there appears to be more evidence against him. Boxes and boxes in fact. But I'm sure Biden will pardon him before his scheduled execution date.

by Anonymousreply 70August 13, 2022 2:44 AM

R34 is just simply not believable.

You’re trying to pass trump off on the guy he place on tv. A fumbling oaf that at then end of the day just wants acceptance.

But that is not the real, money grubbing pirate that trump and his family are. They are thieves in the night. They know exactly what they are doing.

by Anonymousreply 71August 13, 2022 2:55 AM

Has Jared thrown Ivanka's daddy under the bus? Or, since we're living in Bizarro World, what if "the leaker" is Trump himself and the wheels of the bus are going round and round all over the skinny reptilian Kushner?

Probably the former, since Jared and Ivanka have more to lose at this point. But I hope this story gets more and more fucked up, as long as the good guys (or the not-totally-evil guys) win in the end.

by Anonymousreply 72August 13, 2022 2:56 AM

R34 omits the angle that the FBI seems to be chasing. People were showed these documents in exchange for personal gain. Not to show off to VIPs for bragging rights. They are going to show that he benefitted from showing the documents to interested parties.

This was no accident.

by Anonymousreply 73August 13, 2022 2:57 AM

Without a doubt, Donald J. Trump used his wealth first, and his position, to gather intel and hard evidence of others vices and wrongdoing and used this information against them to gain leverage over them so to manipulate them or shut them up. Some, like Jeffrey Epstein, committed suicide or disappeared or simply became devout Trump followers. Every thing about this man is crooked; he learned his chops from wise guys whose money he laundered and from his father, a real estate shark in Manhattan before him, and from Roy Cohn, a family friend and a devotee of evil for evil's sake and the power it brings. I have no doubt Trump would not hesitate to sell out his own country while calling any who opposed him a traitor.

by Anonymousreply 74August 13, 2022 3:11 AM

Definitely agree that Trump is the kingpin. His whole life has been grifting, stealing, strategically fighting off lawsuits and acting as an enforcer like a mob boss. Like Capone, he will go down.

by Anonymousreply 75August 13, 2022 3:45 AM

I have been getting an Al Capone feeling as for about the last 6 months after thinking he would never be punished for his enormous and endless wreckage and the murder of innocent people by intentionally spreading Covid and the the taking away of infants suckling from their mothers are pure evil and must be accounted for.

by Anonymousreply 76August 13, 2022 3:51 AM

I read that Merrick Garland is giving a big address next Thursday?

In my tiny mind I've decided he is going to be explaining to us the list of horrific crimes he is indicting Trump on, and giving us all the info we need to not fall prey to the voluminous shitstorm of right wing gibberish that will follow. Kind of like talking us all off the ledge while explaining the incredible seriousness of Trump's crimes.

Did anyone else hear of this talk for next week?

by Anonymousreply 77August 13, 2022 3:59 AM

BTW, everything I cited in r74 is circumstantial, and most of what others have posted is circumstantial as well. But the FBI and DOJ now have hard evidence, and what they need is for one of the spies in the foreign dilomatic corps to come forward--hopefully AFTER being busted and lockt up for espionage--and spill what they know about it. Who knows, maybe they already have that person and just needed the documentation?

by Anonymousreply 78August 13, 2022 4:00 AM

It’s important to remember that as a Russian asset, Trump is a tool for chaos and doing everything possible to create chaos and destroy democracy. Bannon also is a chaos agent. These people are extremely dangerous because they are old, corrupt and don’t give a shit about the extreme damage they cause. Red states have been taught to hate Democrats - their fellow Americans- as if we are a third world tribal nation. DOJ has to exhibit leadership, crack down on these extremists. and not back down.

by Anonymousreply 79August 13, 2022 4:09 AM

Yeah we are gonna pull out of this just in time. Justice will prevail. What a long and exhausting 7 fucking years of hell but these goddamned republicans are going to pay.

by Anonymousreply 80August 13, 2022 4:25 AM

If Trump is really in shit as deep as it appears, he does have one card in his hand to play. Trump has always been a stooge and anarchist, meaning, if he knows he's going down he might instruct his shrinking-yet-formidable 30% of voters to stay home on election day in November. He'll say it is because "otherwise they'll steal it!", or to "get rid of all the RINOs!".

If so, I'll be here for it!

by Anonymousreply 81August 13, 2022 4:36 AM

R81 let’s hope he does this.

He doesn’t need them anymore he should punish them for not sticking up for him enough. Show them who’s boss.

by Anonymousreply 82August 13, 2022 4:39 AM

I understand there were so many boxes of top secret material in Mar-a-Lago it looked like the last scene in Raiders Of The Lost Arc. Not exactly circumstantial.

by Anonymousreply 83August 13, 2022 5:02 AM

The way he constantly depicts himself as a victim: total sociopathy. Trump needs to be stabbed a thousand times until he bleeds out.

by Anonymousreply 84August 13, 2022 5:19 AM

R36, he took a lot of non-top secret souvenirs from the White House when he left, too.

I remember talking on the old DL about the Trumps when they were seen loading expensive art and furniture in moving vans. The feds don't want the statues and paintings,, they want the classified documents. I'm positive he's either used the docs for financial gain, or thought he could use them, later -- like a "get out of free" jail card.

Those Alex Jones texts R23 mentioned have to include enough concrete evidence to bring the hammer down this week.

by Anonymousreply 85August 13, 2022 5:20 AM

He should have just stayed a game show host.

Greed always gets these bastards in the end. It’s never enough.

by Anonymousreply 86August 13, 2022 5:29 AM

[quote] The feds don't want the statues and paintings,, they want the classified documents.

Not at all. They want everything. They all belong to the American people. The feds are merely the guardians.

by Anonymousreply 87August 13, 2022 6:13 AM

I also completely forgot the suspicions I have that there was some transfer of Saudi money for Top Secret information (such as design of a nuclear facility to refine plutonium) or similar very hot data at the recent golf tournament which was staged at Bedminster. Possibly transferred out of MaL via Ivanka and Jared and delivered through some guise

by Anonymousreply 88August 13, 2022 6:50 AM

My theory is that he’s a big cunt, and was trying to become an even bigger cunt

by Anonymousreply 89August 13, 2022 6:52 AM

Ah yes. Ivana's ashes AND plans for nuke plant etc into coffin and buried, dug up, retrieved and sold to Russia OR Iran OR the Saudis. Just a wild guess.

by Anonymousreply 90August 13, 2022 6:55 AM

R8 well don't you know who was cleaning his toilets?

by Anonymousreply 91August 13, 2022 6:58 AM

Is this a 'bombshell'? Are the walls closing in on Trump? Is this the long awaited 'tipping point' that marks the 'beginning of the end' for Trump?

Of course not.

All attempts to get Trump over fake Russiagate claims or other issues have failed. Some 'classified' documents probably found in the possession of the person who, as president, had the power to declassify them will not change anything.

The raid and the accusations will only increase Trump's and his followers determination to win:

The short-term upside for Trump, in any case, is clear. He is now once more the center of political attention at a moment when President Joe Biden was scoring a bunch of victories this past week. Trump, a master showman, will milk the FBI search for all the publicity he can squeeze from it.

The raid was probably the best Trump could have hoped for:

Mr. Trump made clear in his statement that he sees potential political value in the search, something some of his advisers echoed, depending on what any investigation produces.

His political team began sending fund-raising solicitations about the search late on Monday evening.

Even those conservatives who do not like Trump will see the raid as an illegitimate attempt by democrats to prevent another Trump run for the presidency. It is something many will opposed on principal independent of who is targeted.

The White House claims to not have been noticed of the raid. Many people will doubt that.

If Attorney General Merrick B. Garland did not inform the White House he should be fired for political sabotage of the Democrats' campaign. Launching highly political action without informing the boss is a no-no for the Justice Department.

If the White House was informed its hatred for Trump must have pushed it into a very stupid mistake. Allowing the raid at this point of time was the worst thing that could happen to the Democrats.

by Anonymousreply 92August 13, 2022 7:30 AM

^ Dja get paid yet?

by Anonymousreply 93August 13, 2022 7:38 AM

I'm counting my money right now.

by Anonymousreply 94August 13, 2022 7:39 AM

Good on you. Hope they're not paying you in rubles.

by Anonymousreply 95August 13, 2022 7:41 AM

Was I so far off r93?

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by Anonymousreply 96August 13, 2022 7:41 AM

He’s going to double down and claim he was “protecting” the documents from being altered and had the right to do so. They can’t prosecute him because he’ll deny he’s not president anymore- an illegal election.

He’ll gum up any prosecution and try to regain the presidency, if not, the Republicans will try to undo and obscure any sort of prosecution.

by Anonymousreply 97August 13, 2022 8:54 AM

Can somebody explain what r97 is saying?

by Anonymousreply 98August 13, 2022 9:05 AM

R98, I despise Trump, but he’s going to stick with his playbook and insist he’s still in authority, has power, and somehow immune to charges. If anything, he’ll try to promote this whole other alternate theory for his base, lol. And if Republicans and he gain power again, the truth wont matter over the bullshit they’re spouting, they’ll rewrite laws and history to fit later. It’s why they were so careful, quiet and deliberate about prosecuting him.

by Anonymousreply 99August 13, 2022 9:36 AM

Nothing they said is even remotely true, r98. Just a load of gibberish meant to confuse and discourage.

It doesn't matter what T claims or says, the evidence of his crimes is overwhelming. They're trying to incite terrorist attacks from the brainwashed and militant foot soldiers.

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by Anonymousreply 100August 13, 2022 9:41 AM

It's hard for anyone who is sane to imagine how many of Trump's followers still believe that he is the legitimate president of the US, that Biden is living in the White House under false pretenses, and that, therefore, anything Trump does is a correct product of his presidential rights and power. I'm just waiting for some of these whackadoodles to start claiming that Trump spirited these documents away to PROTECT them from Biden - and if not Joe Biden, from Hunter Biden. That's just how far down the rabbit hole they have gotten themselves.

by Anonymousreply 101August 13, 2022 9:41 AM

It defies all logic. The deal is that it started, in earnest, with the takeover of the GOP and mainline churches by a coalition of wealthy, extremist, dominionist christians in the 80s. Right wing and christian talk radio, Fox News and similar tv steadily pump distorted and outright false "news" to enrage and frighten. It's all based upon Nazi propaganda methods, really.

The internet has been a boon for all sorts of radicalization. It was cranked up to eleven in 2012ish and now our ears have been completely blown out by the noise.

They're quite skilled at what they do. Truly accomplished at destruction.

See also: "They Thought They Were Free: The Germans 1933-45" by Milton Mayer

by Anonymousreply 102August 13, 2022 10:03 AM

I do have to wonder about the timing of this because it very much takes away from Biden's ability to do a victory lap after getting the big IRA bill passed.

In an ideal world, the FBI would have raided Trump the week after next

So I am curious to see if it was just Biden not being very good at PR again, or if there was a reason to do all this right now

by Anonymousreply 103August 13, 2022 10:20 AM

R66's ramblings read as if Boris is desperately trying to impress his ESL teacher at Russia's FSB English trollpost course.

by Anonymousreply 104August 13, 2022 10:44 AM

R66's whack post was clearly written using some translation program.

Hey R66 aka Boris, FYI: Your translation program sucks.

by Anonymousreply 105August 13, 2022 10:45 AM

I don't know what Trump was doing with the documents. That may come out. What strikes me is that after initial outrage the GOP leadership (except for a few true crazies) has gone silent. Even at the state level. That tells me the government has something big on Trump.

by Anonymousreply 106August 13, 2022 11:09 AM

All this comes from deferring to power for too long. No one is above the law and that needs to be underlined or this Republic really is in trouble.

by Anonymousreply 107August 13, 2022 11:22 AM

What r107 said.

by Anonymousreply 108August 13, 2022 11:23 AM

r103, Biden does not control the DOJ. The timing has nothing to do with his many, many victories. 45 is done.

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by Anonymousreply 109August 13, 2022 11:27 AM

[quote]I don't know what Trump was doing with the documents. That may come out. What strikes me is that after initial outrage the GOP leadership (except for a few true crazies) has gone silent. Even at the state level. That tells me the government has something big on Trump.

I was thinking that too; add to that - doxing hapless defenseless election workers is one thing, but targeting FBI agents that already resulted in one attempted attack on an FBI field office is likely going to backfire on all of them in a very big way

by Anonymousreply 110August 13, 2022 11:29 AM

Peter Strzok, former FBI agent who was fucked over by Trump for some pejorative comments in a few texts to a fellow agent, made an interesting observation during a talking heads news show last night. He described Trump’s well-known disinterest in all things intelligence while he was President: slept through meetings, never read the daily briefings or any docs, never asked questions. Clearly a dereliction of duty. The meeting presenters (I assume there are standing intelligence meetings in the WH, at least monthly) went so far to get his attention that they created dioramas to communicate their concerns. Nothing worked.

Now, 19 months after he left the WH, the FBI carts out boxes of secret docs from his residence in Florida. What was/is he planning to do with these docs? Is he choosing to read the content now, even though he never read nor showed any interest in intelligence matters for four years? NOW he’s focusing his interest and attention on our national security?

I think someone snitched on him not long after he left office. The DOJ has been incessantly hounding him to hand over the material for over a year. Then just recently, new evidence was dropped into Garland’s lap, evidence that revealed the docs are super top secret stuff that could seriously affect US security if they fell into the wrong hands. It seems those wrong hands belong to one short-fingered vulgarian by the name of Trump.

by Anonymousreply 111August 13, 2022 11:33 AM

Spy magazine was right all those years ago

by Anonymousreply 112August 13, 2022 12:05 PM

r104: After you call r66 "Boris" he switched to another account and posted r92, r94, and r96, which really sound like more Trump-is-bulletproof minimizing discouraging contrarianism. A tricky bastard.

by Anonymousreply 113August 13, 2022 12:46 PM

Boris' aka R92 translation program really sucks:

[quote] If the White House was informed its hatred for Trump must have pushed it into a very stupid mistake.

by Anonymousreply 114August 13, 2022 12:56 PM

[quote]The DOJ has been incessantly hounding him to hand over the material for over a year.

Inaccurate, R111. Archives has been fighting with him since roughly last summer. DOJ got involved earlier this year when Archives asked them to take the issue up because they could no longer give Trump the benefit of the doubt that he wasn't committing a crime as opposed to misunderstanding whether he had a legitimate claim to the documents.

by Anonymousreply 115August 13, 2022 12:58 PM

[quote] The DOJ has been incessantly hounding him to hand over the material for over a year.

WTF are you on about, R111? Trump shouldn't have been having that stuff any longer, and he certainly should not have taken it to fucking Mar-a-Lago.

by Anonymousreply 116August 13, 2022 1:02 PM

If they knew the nature of the documents that Trump had, why did it take them so long to seize them? I only hope the DOG was gathering evidence on what he was actually doing with them.

by Anonymousreply 117August 13, 2022 1:03 PM

R49, I think this is an important point. Trump APPEARS to be stupid, and he is astonishingly ignorant and crass. But as the January 6 Committee has shown us, he’s not simply a blunderer. He’s an evil person with evil plans, and he’s great at manipulating other people into carrying out those plans. These documents were not taken at random. He had a purpose for them.

by Anonymousreply 118August 13, 2022 1:11 PM

How will they be able to prove he showed or sold these secrets though? I hope they can of course but that seems to be what will be difficult to get him on and the basis for charging him on a number of these, crimes, especially violating the espionage act. This is where I am worried things will fall apart and he will either not get charged or will skate on a week case.

by Anonymousreply 119August 13, 2022 1:21 PM

Weak*

by Anonymousreply 120August 13, 2022 1:22 PM

Isn’t it weird that highly classified documents are in paper form in this day and age?

by Anonymousreply 121August 13, 2022 1:23 PM

A president can’t just “declassify” documents as Trump and the MAGAts claim.

There’s is a long process each declassified document has to go through.

by Anonymousreply 122August 13, 2022 1:24 PM

[quote]What strikes me is that after initial outrage the GOP leadership (except for a few true crazies) has gone silent.

Speaking of crazies ...

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by Anonymousreply 123August 13, 2022 1:25 PM

MTG wears red to file her gigantic red herring.

by Anonymousreply 124August 13, 2022 1:33 PM

Lots of "just asking questions" to muddle facts that have already been well established.

The DOJ did not just sit around waiting for Trump to return the documents. DOJ was pulled in sometime early this year, and FBI agents have been investigating since then. When Trump would not agree to turn over the docs, they issued a subpoena, with which Trump only partially complied. It was only after they exhausted all other legal remedies, and with the apparent aid of at least one informant, that they took the step that every one has been screaming is EXTRAORDINARY AND UNPRECEDENTED to obtain a warrant and conduct an unannounced search on the living and business quarters of a former president.

This constant goal shifting--"how could they do this, they better have a REALLY GOOD REASON and they better have tried everything they could short of it" to "why didn't they do more and sooner?!"--only serves to distract from Trump's wrongdoing and make DOJ/FBI look wrong/incompetent no matter what they do.

Give it a fucking rest.

by Anonymousreply 125August 13, 2022 1:40 PM

I feel like some of you have sat around with CNN and MSNBC playing in the background for too long. These outlets have devoted the last few years to doing nothing but bashing Trump. All this breathless commentary with no tact or nuance will have you hating Trump for any and every reason.

This might not be what anyone wants to hear but the reality is sometimes people you don’t like attain positions of power. Not profound in the least but that means those people will also be privy to certain perks of those in power.

I don’t care if you hate Trump’s guts, you should not be all in on the government nipping at his heels constantly if for no other reason than one a person you do like is gonna be treated the same way and guaranteed the press will be saying the same thing I’m saying now.

by Anonymousreply 126August 13, 2022 1:41 PM

They probably have video and audio of the transactions if they’ve gone this far.

by Anonymousreply 127August 13, 2022 1:42 PM

[quote]I don’t care if you hate Trump’s guts

Oh, yes you do, little troller girl.

by Anonymousreply 128August 13, 2022 1:43 PM

Trump was selling state secrets.

His clients were:

XI (came to mara largo)

The Saudi prince guy

Kim Jung Un

Iran (trump removed all their restrictions from the US deal)

Ergoden

Balisaro

Who else were his clients of state secret sales?

by Anonymousreply 129August 13, 2022 1:46 PM

HAS ANYONE CHECKED TRUMPS EBAY SELLING HISTORY,? I"VE UNLOADED "CALSSIFIED DOCUMENTS" THERE IN THE PAST. OLD INCHES MAGAZINE DO VERY WELL. BLESS,,BILL TAYLOR

by Anonymousreply 130August 13, 2022 1:46 PM

"a person you do like is gonna be treated the same way"

I'll keep that in mind next time I steal top secret government documents, troll.

By the way, not that you dumbasses care, but lots of people have been charged and convicted of the very statutes Trump is under investigation for violating. So we know EXACTLY how the feds would treat us. So unless you truly believe Trumps is above the law (and if so, just fuck off now and stop wasting our time) YOU can explain just how he's been treated any worse than they were. Go on, try it.

by Anonymousreply 131August 13, 2022 1:47 PM

[quote]I have lost faith that our government will do anything.

It's gone too far for the government to not do anything. There is no way the Democrats are going to go into the 2024 elections after all this has happened, after the J6 committee and the FBI raid and all the information coming out now, to just say "oh well, never mind."

Now, they may try to do something and the Senate may stop them, or they may do something that's not particularly satisfying, but they will have to do something or else get slaughtered in 2024.

by Anonymousreply 132August 13, 2022 1:47 PM

Somebody on DL 5 years ago said he was doing this. They said that he was selling classified documents to America’s enemies and it seemed so crazy at time even for him.

At the time nobody believed them. They laid this out in detail.

Please post the thread link here if you can find it I’m still searching.

It must have been an insider.

by Anonymousreply 133August 13, 2022 1:48 PM

If you are referring to me r125, I’m actually from another western country so I don’t have all the details at my fingertips and genuinely asked how they would be able to get proof he violated the espionage act since it will take more than just possessing the documents.

I’m not muddling facts. I was asking for info on how it works. I hope they get him too as I love the usa and hate what he has done to it.

So then, is the general consensus that they have had spies on him for the past 1.5 plus years to watch what he’s doing with those documents? Sent in spies to do “a deal” with him to see if he would give them up? I’m interested in the mechanisms for getting him on more than just having the stuff locked in his basement.

by Anonymousreply 134August 13, 2022 1:51 PM

You don't have all the details, so you're just making things up?

Here you go: a very basic timeline with lots of links. Now you have no excuse for spreading misinformation.

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by Anonymousreply 135August 13, 2022 1:54 PM

I think he operated on his own rules. I am sure he was warned not to take the documents but he was told he could just declassify them and not be guilty of a crime, not realizing that declassification is a documented process. He surrounded himself with people who had no idea how the government worked.

by Anonymousreply 136August 13, 2022 1:56 PM

How the fuck am I spreading misinformation? I asked a fuxking questions. We are on the same side but you have been absolutely rude and maniacal to everyone’s posts but your own. And you and that article did not answer my question either. I can only imagine what you’re like in the workplace, if you even hold down a job.

But thank you r127 for your post which helped.

by Anonymousreply 137August 13, 2022 1:58 PM

He was going to sell nuclear secrets to Jair Bolsonaro?

by Anonymousreply 138August 13, 2022 1:59 PM

It seems that everyone has forgotten about Omarosa Managault's assertion than she saw Dump tear up and EAT documents...If he kept boxes of top secret documents intact, one can only wonder what was in the ones he ATE!

by Anonymousreply 139August 13, 2022 2:00 PM

[quote] I only hope the DOG was gathering evidence

Pics please.

by Anonymousreply 140August 13, 2022 2:00 PM

[quote]He surrounded himself with people who had no idea how the government worked.

Deliberately. Remember, he fired or froze out anyone who told him no.

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by Anonymousreply 141August 13, 2022 2:01 PM

R137, do you walk into your job and say shit like "I don't know what's going on, but can we all agree this company has been spying on the guy that was fired for the past year and a half?" If so, you would find me very unpleasant to work with.

by Anonymousreply 142August 13, 2022 2:04 PM

[quote]But the FBI and DOJ now have hard evidence, and what they need is for one of the spies in the foreign dilomatic corps to come forward

Possibly, but the warrant shows that they didn't go in searching for evidence of him giving it to a foreign country, that would be statute 794. They did however go looking for evidence of violation of statute 793, which is "gathering, transmitting, or losing defense information."

That's not to say that they don't have evidence of him providing it to a foreign nation or selling it or what have you -- I very much suspect they DO have evidence in that regard -- but it wasn't part of the warrant.

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by Anonymousreply 143August 13, 2022 2:10 PM

R142. I didn’t even ask anything like that actually so I see now you are botching about a completely different poster.

by Anonymousreply 144August 13, 2022 2:11 PM

Thank you r143 also.

Blocking r125 and r142 so this can remain a civil conversation

by Anonymousreply 145August 13, 2022 2:15 PM

r134, we don't really have any idea what information they have about him potentially selling information to foreign countries and adversaries.

I would imagine any recorded phone calls, anything from cell phones, witness statements, things of that nature would be part of the evidence.

Also part of the evidence would be intelligence work. For example, if Northern Evilstan suddenly had all the schematics for a series of top secret planes that had not yet been deployed, U.S. intelligence would be trying to find out just how that happened. The trail could lead back to Trump, especially if those schematics were found in the papers he didn't want to give back.

This is not going to be a popular opinion, but my guess is they won't ever charge him with selling or providing to a foreign country, simply because the security risk in just admitting that would be to great. I'm sure he did, it fits in with everything he's done, but there's no way we can try a president in court over things that are so sensitive they can't even be mentioned publicly.

by Anonymousreply 146August 13, 2022 2:16 PM

Sincere apologies, R144. I did mistake you for someone else.

by Anonymousreply 147August 13, 2022 2:16 PM

“transmitting”

Wouldn’t that cover it?

Selling it and transmitting it are part and parcel.

by Anonymousreply 148August 13, 2022 2:19 PM

Thank you r146

by Anonymousreply 149August 13, 2022 2:20 PM

Proof of a "sale" isn't required. I may be remembering wrong, but I think the case against the Rosenbergs was not that they sold nuclear info to the Soviets, but that they gave it as sympathizers and members of the Communist Party.

by Anonymousreply 150August 13, 2022 2:25 PM

R63, This has Jared's fingerprints all over it. I am convinced that he's behind it.

by Anonymousreply 151August 13, 2022 2:27 PM

Clearly Trump has made copies of all these sensitive documents. At any point, for the rest of his life, he'll be able to make billions selling them to the highest bidder. He's always been cash poor, but not any longer.

by Anonymousreply 152August 13, 2022 2:27 PM

[quote]It seems that everyone has forgotten about Omarosa Managault's assertion than she saw Dump tear up and EAT documents

Well, THERE'S a reliable witness.

by Anonymousreply 153August 13, 2022 2:31 PM

The thing about the poster that laid this out 5 years ago is that I remembered it for a few reasons. I never forgot it.

Anyone remember this?

The poster claimed that this was going on but the tone was very dry and stark like they were not here to gossip but expose.

And then a few days later the usual trolls were feverishly trying to downplay the claims. They cared more about this at the time than any other accusations.

But remember at the time new accusations were coming out every week against trump. It was not out of the ordinary for posters to make these claims.

But something stood out to me. It was believable but far fetched. But this poster was confident and not deterred by doubts from legit posters.

by Anonymousreply 154August 13, 2022 2:32 PM

Extensive, unimpeachable proof WILL be required if the U.S. government prosecutes a former president for selling secrets to foreign countries and adversaries.

Some of you are going to scream "Boris" but just hear me out, please, before you do.

Americans aren't going to be happy with a former president getting charged with doing something that they courts cannot publicly disclose because of security risks. People will demand transparency. They will want to know all the details behind why a president -- yes, even Trump -- is being prosecuted. They won't accept being told "We have tons of evidence but we can't show it to you."

Even if Americans didn't care that much, they would after the media got done with it. Just look at the initial media reaction to the FBI seizure of documents. Even MSNBC and CNN, supposedly liberal media outlets, called it a "raid" and demanded the FBI explain themselves. CNN had someone go on the air and say Trump's demand that the warrant be released was "genius." The media will 100% without question be demanding to see proof of Trump selling secrets to foreign countries, but no one will be able to provide that proof, because it will be sensitive information.

That's why no one is going to charge Trump with violating statute 794. That's why they're concerning themselves with statute 793 instead, where it's "just" losing or showing documents to the wrong people. It's easier to prove and probably doesn't require the release of classified information to illustrate what he's done.

However, I fully expect people close to him to be charged with supplying information to foreign countries, probably Jared.

by Anonymousreply 155August 13, 2022 2:36 PM

R155 we have already established that they have the evidence.

Releasing it before the investigation is crazy. Not sure what country you’re from but they must do things wacky over there. Just sit back and let Americans handle this one. Deal with YOUR countries problems. American can’t clean up every mess for you.

Stop focusing on Americans and fix your own country.

by Anonymousreply 156August 13, 2022 2:39 PM

r154, was it around the time Trump released that secret Russian memo? That was February 2018.

I remember someone saying that Jared's security clearance being downgraded in 2018 was because he had been doing something sketchy with classified information, which included the Russian memo. It may have been in one of the "treasons" threads.

by Anonymousreply 157August 13, 2022 2:40 PM

[quote]we have already established that they have the evidence.

The fuck? We don't know what evidence they have!

[quote]Releasing it before the investigation is crazy.

No one said they would, least of all me. What are you even talking about?

by Anonymousreply 158August 13, 2022 2:41 PM

Who knew DJT was Mrs. Iselin?

by Anonymousreply 159August 13, 2022 4:19 PM

Not a Trump fan at all, but since when do we trust the FBI?

by Anonymousreply 160August 13, 2022 6:33 PM

R34 sounds very plausible to me.

by Anonymousreply 161August 13, 2022 6:38 PM

Garland would not have pulled the trigger had he not been 100% certain that he would be able to prosecute Trump. This is just the tip of the iceberg…Trump is masterful at manipulating people to do his dirty work and so many are now caught they either go to jail or flip…the game changed this week.

by Anonymousreply 162August 13, 2022 6:52 PM

The procedures for investigations and trials involving high level classified documents are well established. There will be plenty of evidence the public will have access to even if they can't see the details of some of the documents.

If he were charged with having child porn, would you be ranting that it doesn't count unless we can watch it too?

by Anonymousreply 163August 13, 2022 7:54 PM

My theory is that Garland is going to charge Trump with biggest set of crimes that send him to jail for the longest time.

My theory is that it is useless to send Trump to jail if he does not die in jail.

by Anonymousreply 164August 13, 2022 8:15 PM

[quote]If he were charged with having child porn, would you be ranting that it doesn't count unless we can watch it too?

Don't be daft. Ivanka is not underage.

by Anonymousreply 165August 13, 2022 8:19 PM

If those pictures in those albums are from long time ago...

by Anonymousreply 166August 13, 2022 9:30 PM

You can be a master manipulator of a democratic system. But at the end of the day, there is a system. Which when implemented properly will always prevail.

by Anonymousreply 167August 13, 2022 9:45 PM

His lawyers will paint a picture of a baby-man who does nothing himself, certainly not packing-up moving boxes. He doesn't know what's in the boxes and doesn't care.

Hopefully this will be be his downfall: that like George W. Bush he was just a spokesmodel POTUS who contracted the hard stuff out to the smart grownups.

by Anonymousreply 168August 13, 2022 10:02 PM

Whatever they find, they need to release it quickly. There's a lot of speculation and no hard evidence which is what they need to get him prosecuted.

by Anonymousreply 169August 13, 2022 10:09 PM

Nice try, R169.

Not really, though.

by Anonymousreply 170August 13, 2022 10:12 PM

Was he planning on blackmailing his way into a second term somehow? Is that even possible?

by Anonymousreply 171August 13, 2022 10:13 PM

"He surrounded himself with people who had no idea how the government worked."

Maybe not at first, but they were intelligent enough to figure it all out.

Jared Kushner was the President. That's why they realized he couldn't be barred from the White House: it would be catastrophic. There would be no one in charge.

Jarvanka ran things while Trump tweeted, made appearances, golfed, napped and watched himself on TV.

by Anonymousreply 172August 13, 2022 10:18 PM

Hear, hear, r125!

by Anonymousreply 173August 13, 2022 10:20 PM

The question that is begging to be asked then r172 is why Jared is out of the picture in what's developing now. It's a puzzlement.

A lot will come out of the answer to that question. And it will come out.

by Anonymousreply 174August 13, 2022 10:23 PM

R171 in theory yes. The kind of rigging he needs to guarantee a win would require a number of prominent Republicans to stick their necks way out for him.

by Anonymousreply 175August 13, 2022 10:25 PM

This is Trump. The truth is going to be worse than what we have imagined.

by Anonymousreply 176August 13, 2022 10:30 PM

[quote] Garland would not have pulled the trigger had he not been 100% certain that he would be able to prosecute Trump. This is just the tip of the iceberg…Trump is masterful at manipulating people to do his dirty work and so many are now caught they either go to jail or flip…the game changed this week.

This right here, what r162 wrote.

Which is why from Day One of the search and seizure I wrote that I would give up sugar for a week if I could read the affadavit which relates the evidence to the statutes cited in the warrant.

The affadavit is what the judge saw that established probable cause that crimes were committed. That maybe never will be released, and it shouldn't be, until this matter is entirely disposed of one way or another.

And believe you me, if anybody thinks that the standard of probable cause wasn't exceeded; if you think Garland was going to wing-it with shaky probable cause, you're being willfully ignorant.

Trump is shitting bricks.

by Anonymousreply 177August 13, 2022 10:34 PM

Trump is a genuine cynic. That works for a while until one day it fucks you up because it’s not an accurate picture of outcomes. You can ride that train for a long time, but how many times have I seen this bite them in the end?

And it’s always the end. They run out of road.

Cynicism is a seductive mistress that always seems to lead her partners astray at the end. After a lifetime of loyalty.

by Anonymousreply 178August 13, 2022 10:59 PM

If he gets arrested the Maga crazies are going to create an all out civil war.

by Anonymousreply 179August 13, 2022 11:04 PM

Well then we can get it over with and go back to peace for 100 years. I’m sick of all the threats and attempts at terror and fear.

Just do it if you’re gonna do it. Stop talking about it.

by Anonymousreply 180August 13, 2022 11:06 PM

Naw. It won't happen. Saw what happened with the trucks verging in DC and getting lost, camping out, absent leaders...

by Anonymousreply 181August 13, 2022 11:07 PM

Only a handful of his disciples are prepared to do more than drive a big pickup truck with a flag attached to it. They’re certainly not willing to actually enlist in some equivalent of the Confederate army. And the vast majority of them are too fat, anyway.

by Anonymousreply 182August 13, 2022 11:13 PM

If Trump is God, does that make Don Jr Jesus Christ?

by Anonymousreply 183August 13, 2022 11:19 PM

Depending on the severity, won’t they arrange some kind of plea bargain for him? And if they arrest him it will be all arranged so he can plea and meet bail.

by Anonymousreply 184August 13, 2022 11:19 PM

As long as he is never allowed to run again it will be a good outcome. Even though I’d like to see him go to jail.

by Anonymousreply 185August 13, 2022 11:21 PM

R182, and the cost of gas has gone up since the last insurrection. That’s a mood killer by itself.

by Anonymousreply 186August 13, 2022 11:21 PM

R186- They can't be away from their meth dealers that long.

by Anonymousreply 187August 13, 2022 11:28 PM

I always thought it was weird that Turd and his immediate family were wasting time working at the White House when they could make more money in private industry.

Now, I'm thinking maybe Turd felt entitled to make side money and "help" his "friends" (Putin, etc.) with White House insider stuff. He felt justified because of his low salary as POTUS.

And I never believed he wanted to lose the election (the first go-round). He has a huge ego and did want to win.

by Anonymousreply 188August 13, 2022 11:28 PM

I think that the MAGAts are really lazy.

No Civil War.

by Anonymousreply 189August 13, 2022 11:51 PM

That's good news R189, because their mobility scooter Panzer brigades promised to be quite fearsome

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by Anonymousreply 190August 14, 2022 12:18 AM

My theory:

Trump offered to sell secrets to an Eastern European country. We have a mole high up in their government who learned of the pending transaction. He or she alerted the CIA. CIA alerted DOJ.

No one knows if this was Trump’s first espionage violation, but DOJ, alarmed, put the agent’s report into the “appendix” attached to the search warrant request.

. Trump’s prior recalcitrance in returning documents and the agent’s report of a pending sale established “probable cause.” The judge granted the warrant.

The appendix will remain under seal to protect the identity of our agent.

by Anonymousreply 191August 14, 2022 1:26 AM

[quote]How will they be able to prove he showed or sold these secrets though?

Easy. They set him up to sell access to documents to our own spies posing as foreign representatives. We may soon learn that was what happened. If so, Trump needs to get Rosenberg'd- Julius & Ethel, or Edgar, take your pick!

by Anonymousreply 192August 14, 2022 2:27 AM

R192, anyone who knew about the documents Trump refused to return may have seen a lot. Remember Trump has been, in essence, under constant surveillance since he left the WH. His Secret Service detail may have started out as MAGA supporters but they’ve seen Trump close up for some time, and he might have lost his luster.

by Anonymousreply 193August 14, 2022 2:35 AM

[quote]If he were charged with having child porn, would you be ranting that it doesn't count unless we can watch it too?

I wasn't ranting. The rants are all the crazy stories on here about how Trump will absolutely be prosecuted, convicted, possibly executed. All those scenarios are incredibly unlikely, especially since the warrant very specifically does NOT invoke the statute about providing classified material to foreign countries. That's a big clue that they won't prosecute him for that specific crime.

And the good news is they don't NEED to. There's plenty of evidence of crime without the "selling secrets to foreign countries" part.

If you think there's going to be a big televised trial of a former president where we say he just walked outta the White House with thousands of documents he then sold to Russia, Saudi Arabia and North Korea, you're mistaken. I'm sorry, but it's not going to happen, and my saying so isn't defending Trump in any way. Calling me a foreign troll trying to defend Trump is just fucking ridiculous. If any DLers were smart enough to use ignore-dar they'd see what I wrote and know, but that's no fun, is it? It's more fun to think someone from the Kremlin is posting here to make you sad.

by Anonymousreply 194August 14, 2022 3:57 AM

Fox (Trump) now saying attorney-client documents were taken in the “raid.”

by Anonymousreply 195August 14, 2022 4:01 AM

If Trump wasn't selling directly to Russia or to Belarus, that might explain the recent killings in Montenegro.

by Anonymousreply 196August 14, 2022 4:01 AM

It seems that everyone has forgotten about Omarosa Managault's assertion than she saw Dump tear up and EAT documents

Oh, my sides🤪

Doesn't the White House have several fireplaces? Why would he eat documents and in front of OM of all people?

by Anonymousreply 197August 14, 2022 4:21 AM

I just don't think the espionage stuff holds any water. I think it's just that Trump is spending all day plotting his return to the White House, strategizing with his lawyers, etc. that he hasn't had the time or interest to cough-up the subpoenaed documents. It would involve rifling through umpteen boxes and he doesn't have the staff he once had.

I think Jarvanka is virtually estranged from him. Jared's on his way to becoming a billionaire in his own right and they don't need Daddy Warbucks anymore.

by Anonymousreply 198August 14, 2022 4:57 AM

R80, the past seven years have been insane, haven’t they?

This fucker and his loyalists have destroyed so many American families. There are people in my family who I refuse to engage with any longer, because they worshipped this asshole as of though he were Jesus Christ, incarnate.

It’s so disgusting that people actually find this man to be the representative of good leadership. And it’s so sad to know that even people who are minorities in this country worship a man who incites violence against them from his white, racist supporters.

I’m so over this guy and his death cultists. I hope the DoJ throws the book at him, and finally shows him who’s really the boss.

by Anonymousreply 199August 14, 2022 7:16 AM

r199 and Facebook put the nail in the coffin. Family members and friends I see post pro Trump or Repug points I no longer look at the same. Some of my cousins I thought were cool I found out are Trumpers.

by Anonymousreply 200August 14, 2022 7:22 AM

[quote]Omarosa Managault's assertion than she saw Dump tear up and EAT documents

[quote]he hasn't had the time to cough-up the subpoenaed documents

It's all starting to come together!

by Anonymousreply 201August 14, 2022 8:12 AM

Someone on Twitter pointed out that Trump asked for a list of spies a few years ago, and no one knew why he asked. The list that Newsweek reports was in the papers seized on Monday could be the same list. He may have been collecting lists, too.

He also released his copy of the warrant to Breitbart to make sure that the agents in the report were listed and not redacted, like they had been in the WSJ version.

I think he's going to get nailed for that, if nothing else.

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by Anonymousreply 202August 14, 2022 8:18 AM

Trump had Epstein killed, his rabid fanbase immediately blamed Clinton (Bill) for it. He was the president with immense power because he had full government control for a lot of his term (Senate, House, Supreme Court, Executive Branch). Him selling secrets like this wouldn't be farfetched, he is a criminal lying grifter through and through.

Hillary was right and only made them angrier, they are a basket of deplorables! They offer different and creative varieties of hate and misery to society.

by Anonymousreply 203August 14, 2022 8:22 AM

Agrees R199 and I predict that 100 years from now there will be an entire field of history at universities dedicated to trying to explain Trumpism and why so many people thought he was the Messiah or something close to it.

Key to these future debates will be the fact that false messiahs like that generally show up after periods of great trauma (decade of famine, wars lost, hopelessness) and attempts to underline which events actually led to Trumpism

by Anonymousreply 204August 14, 2022 10:26 AM

[quote]There are people in my family who I refuse to engage with any longer, because they worshipped this asshole as of though he were Jesus Christ, incarnate.

There are people in my family who never once discussed politics in all my years of knowing them. I would swear that they never voted – in any election whatsoever – before Trump. Now, they haven't shut up about Trump and politics for the last six years. I just can't figure out how they've been taken in by such an obvious con man.

by Anonymousreply 205August 14, 2022 12:42 PM

I think Merrick Garland had questionable but ultimately legal grounds to raid Trump’s home, but I also think charging him is going to be way more complicated than they would prefer, and there’s no proof it would even survive the various motions anyway.

Like it or not, the FBI is going to have to contend with the fact that all of us are old enough to remember them letting Hillary Clinton off for roughly the same thing with barely a slap on the wrist. Even if you think they can finagle some reading of the Espionage Act where classification of documents is unnecessary, you’re really going to try to make a case against a former President?

I read an admittedly pro-Trump tweet but the question was a good one: why weren’t any journalists who received classified information that was meant to make Trump look bad charged under the Espionage Act?

by Anonymousreply 206August 14, 2022 1:21 PM

r198, nice diversion, Boris. Trump has plenty of time to walk down the stairs at Mar-a-Lard o to his adoring fans.

He had time to eat it all.

by Anonymousreply 207August 14, 2022 1:31 PM

Why is R198 "Boris" because he does not agree with your Jason Bourne theories?

Trump ENJOYS meeting his adoring MAGAts

Dealing with something someone else told him he had to do is very much against his nature.

And why would "Boris" accuse Trump of plotting to return to the White House when that is something the entire mainstream media universe has reported on?

by Anonymousreply 208August 14, 2022 1:35 PM

I am more concerned that Trump met with Putin 5 times in 4 years, some of them completely alone except for the Russian translator. One time with an American translator where Trump tore up the notes she took.

US Presidents just don't do that, they want records of what was said or agreed upon, Trump doesn't want records of what was said or agreed upon.

Remember how upset the right got when they President Obama was over heard saying “This is my last election ... After my election I have more flexibility,” Well ALL Presidents have more flexibility after an election than before, it wasn't exactly an unknown revelation. They still hang on that today, but hours alone with Putin where we have no idea what was said, they love that.

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by Anonymousreply 209August 14, 2022 1:40 PM

^Re R208: The idea that Shitler has been "too busy" to respond to repeated demands from the Department of Justice to return the looted documents is pathetically laughable. Just FUCKING HILARIOUS as an excuse. Also, it was reported yesterday evening in mainstream media, that MONTHS AGO one of Donnie S.'s own attorneys, on Shitler's behalf, signed an affidavit ( a SWORN statement, given under oath, for all you mouth-breathers out there), affirming that ALL of the relevant documents HAD in fact already been returned to the government. Is that lawyer, when prosecuted for perjury, going to reply, Well, I didn't know what I was talking about, so I just signed the affidavit? WHAT is going on here? They are lying about this, BIGLY, and there are NO valid, legally sufficient, excuses.

by Anonymousreply 210August 14, 2022 1:43 PM

[quote] I read an admittedly pro-Trump tweet but the question was a good one: why weren’t any journalists who received classified information that was meant to make Trump look bad charged under the Espionage Act?

What classified information did journalists receive?

by Anonymousreply 211August 14, 2022 1:47 PM

I love when crazy people post on DL

by Anonymousreply 212August 14, 2022 1:48 PM

You keep trying R206 and while your persistence is fun to laugh at, it's not very effective.

Meanwhile, here's a simple enough walk through of the case that even the stupidest MAGAt can follow. And a link to a remarkably similar indictment for a man charged and convicted of espionage... wait for it... during the Trump administration.

[quote]If the FBI really did scoop up highly sensitive documents when they were at Mar-a-Lago the other day, then there may be relatively few steps left to charging him — aside from cataloging the 12 new boxes of stolen documents. DOJ may only need permission from the agencies that own these documents to make the declassifications required to prosecute it. By going to Mar-a-Lago and asking for these documents in person on June 3, DOJ made it very easy to prove that Trump had been asked, but refused, to give any classified documents found in Trump’s possession on Monday back.

DOJ has him dead to rights. The queations is not whether they can charge/convict him, but simply whether they will go that far.

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by Anonymousreply 213August 14, 2022 1:49 PM

^ question, not queations!

by Anonymousreply 214August 14, 2022 1:50 PM

R211 better question: when has a journalist ever been charged with espionage for receiving/publishing classified info?

I'm sure Reality Winner would love to know.

by Anonymousreply 215August 14, 2022 1:53 PM

[quote] I read an admittedly pro-Trump tweet but the question was a good one: why weren’t any journalists who received classified information that was meant to make Trump look bad charged under the Espionage Act?

Because we are suppose to have a free press in this country, no member of the press was accused of being the one who stole any classified information, it was given to them. Someone else took that information and if the government knew who stole the information they would be prosecuted.

Have you never heard of a person named Reality Winner

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by Anonymousreply 216August 14, 2022 1:54 PM

[quote]The queations is not whether they can charge/convict him, but simply whether they will go that far.

I think they will. I'm the one who said they won't prosecute him specifically for selling secrets to foreign countries, but as I also said, they don't NEED to because they have him dead to rights on everything else already. I think there's a very good chance that they'll charge him with something comparatively small at first, with behind-the-door discussions with him or his attorneys about how this can either be the first of many charges, or the only charge, depending on how he wants to play it.

The question is whether Trump has anyone around him now who will tell him that he'd be a fool not to take whatever deal they offered. It's like that "Breaking Bad" scene where Skyler is telling Ted Beneke to take the IRS deal, but he just wouldn't, and all hell broke loose. She was right and he learned that the hard way.

(Also, I like "queations," I'm going to add it to my list of fake words for Scrabble.)

by Anonymousreply 217August 14, 2022 1:56 PM

R210, also worth pointing out: Trump's lawyers told DOJ Trump returned all the classified documents. What classified documents? Trump is now claiming he had a "standing order" that everything he took home was automatically unclassified.

A dutiful troll will be along soon to explain the discrepancy, I'm sure.

by Anonymousreply 218August 14, 2022 2:00 PM

Every time I see Reality Winner's name I have to remind myself that she's a human, not the champion of this year's Kentucky Derby

by Anonymousreply 219August 14, 2022 2:11 PM

For anyone thinking what Trump and Hillary did are the same thing you might want to read the link below:

BTW many Trump administration people, including Jared, communicated using WhatsApp a messaging system that can be set to delete all of your messages automatically. They scream about Hillary's deleted emails but not the use my many of Trump's people an app that deletes everything?

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by Anonymousreply 220August 14, 2022 2:13 PM

Not even worth going there R220

Two Wrongs Do Not Make A Right

Even if Hillary's emails were somehow shown to be as bad as Trump's boxes, it doesn't absolve him.

by Anonymousreply 221August 14, 2022 2:16 PM

Anyone claiming what Trump did is the same or no worse as Hillary just needs to be ignored. The Hillary case, including why the DOJ felt they had no basis to prosecute, is well-documented, including HOURS of her testimony. Nevermind that Trump ran on what Hillary did as being unacceptable and she should be locked up even if he couldn't say she broke the law. And further nevermind that Trump signed the law that enhanced punishment for mishandling classified info (which is not the subject of the warrant but still could be a charge he faces).

by Anonymousreply 222August 14, 2022 2:17 PM

[quote] At this time, I can't help but believe that Trump is under 24/7 surveillance.

Good call, considering he’s had Secret Service protection since at least 2016 and continues as an ex-president to have Secret Service protection

by Anonymousreply 223August 14, 2022 2:17 PM

Footage of Trump declassifying documents:

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by Anonymousreply 224August 14, 2022 2:19 PM

He really seems to be taking care of himself r224!

by Anonymousreply 225August 14, 2022 2:20 PM

I love how r206 attempts to couch his words in that just sayin' and, yet, so obvious, desperate tone.

It's a variation on the Repug "concern" troll posts.

by Anonymousreply 226August 14, 2022 2:51 PM

Native New Yorkers have always known Drumpf has always been a grifter, a cheat and a liar, it would not be surprising to learn he sold sensitive information for financial gain. Not to mention, he's unstable, he's mentally ill.

Had this freak been arrested and jailed years ago, for his many real estate and tax evasion crimes, he wouldn't have been able to become president. This man should not have been allowed to run for president, in fact, he should never have been allowed anywhere near the White House.

What's truly amazing about all this, the so-called "party of family values" the Repubs, have totally embraced this vile disgusting POS, a man who is corrupt on every level. Their hypocrisy is glaring.

by Anonymousreply 227August 14, 2022 3:00 PM

But it doesn't matter R222

Hillary could have done something ten times as bad.

It doesn't absolve Trump.

by Anonymousreply 228August 14, 2022 3:36 PM

How did he declassify all those documents? Wave his tiny hands over them and shout "Declassify!"

by Anonymousreply 229August 14, 2022 3:55 PM

"What's truly amazing about all this, the so-called "party of family values" the Repubs, have totally embraced this vile disgusting POS, a man who is corrupt on every level. Their hypocrisy is glaring."

The Republican Party is also known as the "law and order party" yet Trump has chronically and habitually broken law after law, in the past and up to and including today.

The Republican Party is also known for its "patriotism" yet Trump has continuously shit on the military and disparaged individual military members as "suckers."

The Republican Party is also known as the chosen party of God, yet Trump does not attend church regularly (if at all) and has probably paid for more abortions than the average straight white billionaire.

by Anonymousreply 230August 14, 2022 3:57 PM

Trump trades on hate. Republicans trade on hate. That's all they are. His supporters love that scum has become acceptable. They absolve Trump of everything because they can now absolve themselves of all their rot. Scum attracts scum.

by Anonymousreply 231August 14, 2022 4:03 PM

[quote]Have you never heard of a person named Reality Winner

But I’M reality winner!

by Anonymousreply 232August 14, 2022 4:08 PM

R229 as much as the deplorables want it to, it doesn't work that way. And get this: Trump knows it because of a federal case Trump was involved in where the court reiterated that declassification does not happen without the proper procedures because dumblefuck ran his stupid mouth on Twitter and the press tried to argue that effectively declassified a secret CIA program.

[quote]Declassification cannot occur unless designated officials follow specified procedures.76 Moreover, courts cannot “simply assume, over the well-documented and specific affidavits of the CIA to the contrary,” that disclosure is required simply because the information has already been made public.77 The Shiner affidavits, in addition to justifying the two FOIA exemptions, expressly stated that no declassification procedures had been followed with respect to any documents pertaining to the alleged covert program. 78 Moreover, the Times cites no authority that stands for the proposition that the President can inadvertently declassify information and we are aware of none. Because declassification, even by the President, must follow established procedures, that argument fails.

Ironically, the court was SAVING TRUMP'S ASS with this decision, because if the court had held otherwise (and assuming SCOTUS affirmed or declined to review) that would have likely been Trump's first impeachment.

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by Anonymousreply 233August 14, 2022 4:15 PM

Meanwhile in Russia: Putin's mouthpieces on state TV are taunting America about "Top Secret" documents sought during the raid of Trump's estate, which they claim had to do with the newest nuclear weapons developed by the US and gleefully imply that Moscow already got to see them.

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by Anonymousreply 234August 14, 2022 4:19 PM

I think the presidency just made everything even easier for him. From the beginning I believed he was giving secrets to Russia, then I think he saw how lucrative it was so started doing it with other countries. He didn't do those overseas visits because of politics but to benefit his pocket. I believe he still in the child trafficking business which I have always believed him to be doing. I remember when the first separated the kids from parents down on the border. They showed on tv an entire bus of young girls arriving in NYC. I heard recently that no one knows what ever happened to any of them and no one has seen them since. I was a NY'er and he was Always a sleezeball no matter what he did. My theory is that they are trying to find every damn thing they can on him so that there will be no question in Anyone's mind what he was and what he did....I read somewhere that if they prove he was an illegitimate President because of the Russian interference then all his appointees on the Supreme Court will have to be removed.

by Anonymousreply 235August 14, 2022 4:28 PM

Armed Trump supporters hold protest outside FBI Phoenix offices Saturday

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by Anonymousreply 236August 14, 2022 4:30 PM

Nothing will come from this. Get real. The FBI is a Republican institution.

by Anonymousreply 237August 14, 2022 4:39 PM

R236- Not a big crowd, is it?

by Anonymousreply 238August 14, 2022 4:41 PM

"It has just been learned"

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by Anonymousreply 239August 14, 2022 4:41 PM

He has the dirt on Hillary Bill and Obamas.

by Anonymousreply 240August 14, 2022 4:46 PM

R239, wanna make a bet that he wrote that himself on those boxes of classified material?

by Anonymousreply 241August 14, 2022 4:46 PM

Yeah sure he does, r240. He’s waiting for the next millennium to release them so they make a big splash!

by Anonymousreply 242August 14, 2022 4:47 PM

Side note: I wish people would stop retweeting Trump, McCarthy, Large Marge & whatever mouth breathing idiot spouts some nonsense on social media - whatever the platform. It gives them the oxygen of attention they so desperately crave.

As for what will happen to Dump, I've been disappointed too many times to get my hopes up, but there seems to be ample reason to believe that DOJ has some solid evidence to go after a former president, even one that's a complete loser & traitor

by Anonymousreply 243August 14, 2022 4:48 PM

Sure R240. And he's just been sitting on it because he loves them so much.

Like all that "very interesting" stuff his "investigators" learned about Obama in Hawaii a decade ago. Any day now he'll finally share it!

by Anonymousreply 244August 14, 2022 4:48 PM

R241- You give him too much credit. He can't write.

by Anonymousreply 245August 14, 2022 4:53 PM

Here's what I would love to see happen:

The FBI and DOJ get Trump trapped, showing that he had something prima facie damning in his possession - say a list of CIA agents and foreign operatives working for the CIA.

Realizing that he is about to go to jail, he flees to Russia, where Putin greets him with open arms and he becomes a one-man propaganda machine against the US - swiping at both Republicans and Democrats.

Yes, he'd retain a small base of Q loons who felt he was framed, but it would give much of his base a reason to disown him.

I think many of them would like to at this point, it's just that they are in so deep and it's not easy for people to admit they've been so badly duped.

by Anonymousreply 246August 14, 2022 5:08 PM

I also think that the documents he had may be obsolete because I have wondered why it took the FBI so long to get them if they were that important. I also think they know that he already sold documents and they have been working on changing those things that were in the documents so that they too would be obsolete. I think they waited until they had enough evidence to go in and retrieve them..

by Anonymousreply 247August 14, 2022 5:08 PM

r95 what's a ruble?

by Anonymousreply 248August 14, 2022 5:09 PM

There's lots of stuff that just can't be changed R247. Such as the identities of undercover agents/spies. Even if they're out of the business, their outing puts their lives and any of their contacts at risk.

DOJ took the ask, then subpoena, then warrant route for the simple reason they were in unchartered territory here with their target being an ex-president (and an unstable one at that) whose entire party is still willing to cover and lie for him.

by Anonymousreply 249August 14, 2022 5:12 PM

^ Forgot to add, and DOJ is already well aware that the GOP doesn't give a shit about putting the lives of US agents at risk when it comes to protecting their own. Remember Valerie Plame?

by Anonymousreply 250August 14, 2022 5:14 PM

Trump's only interests in life are making money and getting revenge. So obviously he was using and going to use these documents for both ends.

by Anonymousreply 251August 14, 2022 5:16 PM

r113 you are a liar I posted at 92, 94 and 96

I am NOT Russian, I have been here since the site started and I like many others choose to post anonymously most of the time but I"m not letting you lie slide.

I believe in discussion, I believe in listening to views even if they are radically different from my own. I am old, gay and Black and life experience has taught me to listen to even the extremes because you may hear something important that saves your ass one day.

Too many of you hear are ready to shout down anything you hear that does not fit your echo chamber, this weakens our community.

by Anonymousreply 252August 14, 2022 5:18 PM

r126

Thank you for you sanity and willingness to present a different view.

by Anonymousreply 253August 14, 2022 5:20 PM

R253, there are "different views" and there are "outright lies." R126's implication that Trump is being hounded simply because he's a Republican is the latter.

by Anonymousreply 254August 14, 2022 5:26 PM

Why are these documents printed out on paper and stored in file boxes as if computers/chips and flash drives haven't been invented yet?

Why bother to print all this out to have to transport dozens of boxes when you could send a bunch of files in several other ways far less conspicuously?

If you are selling this information to foreign governments you have to print it out first?

Come on people, you can't be this dumb.

Political theater, no matter who it benefits, is still political theater. We need a smarter population.

by Anonymousreply 255August 14, 2022 5:27 PM

r253 is supporting a known troll account and thanks them for respecting different viewpoints.

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by Anonymousreply 256August 14, 2022 5:28 PM

How dare the government nip at the heels of someone who stole top secret documents and refused to return them?! It's not like anyone has ever gone to jail for that... oh, wait.

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by Anonymousreply 257August 14, 2022 5:29 PM

R255 demonstrates the conundrum of supporting Trump.

He's still trying to discredit the existence of the documents while Trump has already admitted that they exist and he had them.

by Anonymousreply 258August 14, 2022 5:32 PM

[quote]Why bother to print all this out to have to transport dozens of boxes when you could send a bunch of files in several other ways far less conspicuously?

R255 You couldn't possibly signal more clearly you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. Just stop pretending the rest of us are just as ignorant.

You might find Gab a little more hospitable to your intellect.

by Anonymousreply 259August 14, 2022 5:32 PM

Has Trump ever stated WHY he had this particular set of documents?

by Anonymousreply 260August 14, 2022 5:34 PM

It depends which version of explanation from the Trump team we're on, R260. We've heard that he had no idea what was in the boxes, that's it's work he took home because he's so diligent and declassified them but just didn't tell anyone, that it's just mementos with sentimental value to him, that it was all planted, that it was an honest mistake and he returned it already, that it was a misunderstanding and he would have returned it if he had just been asked, and that it doesn't matter why because it all belongs to him because he says so.

I'm sure one of those is the correct answer and there's absolutely no reason to suspect him of bad intentions.

by Anonymousreply 261August 14, 2022 5:40 PM

What to do when the leader of your party is implicated in espionage?

Repeal the Espionage Act, of course!

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by Anonymousreply 262August 14, 2022 5:42 PM

r260, we'll find out at the trial.

by Anonymousreply 263August 14, 2022 5:43 PM

Thank you, R259. The level of ignorance, willful ignorance, and malevolent trolling is really out of hand. TS/SCI documents are not stored electronically because they are too sensitive. That's why they are supposed to be viewed only in a SCIF, after the viewer has surrendered all devices.

Apparently, MaL did have a place that could function as a SCIF, but these docs were not stored there.

That's yet another reason the whataboutism with Hillary's emails are particularly ludicrous in comparison. None of the alleged classified material she had in her emails fall into this highest category.

by Anonymousreply 264August 14, 2022 6:22 PM

[quote] yet another reason the whataboutism with Hillary's emails

Whatever Hillary did or did not do with her emails, it doesn't make Trump less guilty.

Whatever the BLM protesters did, it doesn't make the 1/6 terrorists less guilty

When you argue who was worse, you just sink to their level. Hillary's emails have nothing to do with Trump

by Anonymousreply 265August 14, 2022 6:30 PM

Are we still waiting from Drumpf to release his tax returns?!

The ongoing bullshit this criminal POS has gotten away with is sheer insanity! The rest of us would already be in jail.

by Anonymousreply 266August 14, 2022 6:42 PM

R265, I agree with you and nothing in my statement plays into what you are implying. Perhaps I should have said "false claims about her emails" instead of "alleged."

by Anonymousreply 267August 14, 2022 6:48 PM

The people on twitter who go in a parse these comments from Trump and MTG are spreading propaganda whether they mean to or not.

Who cares what they say. It’s irrelevant

Only what they do.

by Anonymousreply 268August 14, 2022 6:48 PM

Trump's first visitors in office were two Russian spies. Lavrov and that really fat one. Somebody leaked later that he had spilled some sort of classified info during that meeting. Then he leaked the name of an Israeli spy who had gotten high-up in ISIS to Russia, who then probably immediately gave it to Syria. Then he posted a top-secret picture ON TWITTER of an Iranian site we had bombed and pretty much confirmed we had some sort of new satellite we have never admitted to having.

In Bob Woodward's book it was confirmed Trump was telling people about some new nuclear weapons we've also still never admitted to having.

After Trump's meeting with Putin the US pulled one of our Russian spies out of the Kremlin. Gee....I wonder why. Possibly because Trump was giving Putin names?

Anyone saying we are conspiracy theorists for pointing out Trump is obviously a Russian asset is just trying to make us shut up. It has been blatantly obvious Trump is a traitor literally working for foreign governments for years.

by Anonymousreply 269August 14, 2022 6:58 PM

[R206] here.

First of all, there were plenty of leaks to the press during Trump's time in office. The Steel Dossier, which was leaked prior to him winning the election I believe, was one. Adam Schiff was notorious in leaking information to the press during the Russia investigation. The person who leaked information about Trump's phone call with Zelensky leaked classified information to Schiff and members of the media. Someone leaked portions of Trump's tax returns to the NYT. And that's just what I can recall off the top of my head. I remember the press got in a tizzy when Trey Gowdy, man of a thousand haircuts, seemingly suggested that reporters could be charged for leaks when he was questioning Comey during a Congressional hearing.

I know people will say there's a 1A freedom-of-the-press protection for this, and you're right. But here's the thing: the President is a Constitutionally defined position in the government. There's this weird newfangled idea that's sprout up in the age of Trump that the President is somehow beholden to all of these executive-branch agencies and the top-brass bureaucrats that run them, and he's supposed to do whatever they say, and if he doesn't, he's some rogue President. I think it's because all of these bureaucrats have tried to present themselves as manly and true in the face of a fascist dictator or something, but that is and always has been smoke and mirrors.

So I think the point is, if you wouldn't raid the offices of the NYT for "classified" information, raiding a former President shouldn't be another Tuesday.

Also, I have a feeling there are 1-2 people who get super worked up every time Trump comes up on this board and they have to breathlessly and condescendingly respond to any and every poster who doesn't join in on the "Trump sucks" bandwagon. And sadly many of you fall for it. But here's the other thing: they have been "about to get Trump" for years and they haven't. If being a Trumper/MAGAt/Deplorable or whatever means practicing hard-won cynicism that this particular hatchet job will work or that this is really just about Trump still being a threat to Democrats, so be it. Months ago there was this same energy about the NY prosecution. How did that work out? There's a civil case going on, but the lead prosecutor quit because he said there was no case but he was being pressed to file charges anyway.

Remember this thread in March of next year when there's some brand-new revelation that will be the thing that brings Trump down. No, for real this time...🙄

by Anonymousreply 270August 14, 2022 7:11 PM

r270 Wow. What a bunch of misinformation all in one post. I think that's the definition of TROLL. Terrible English language syntax also reveals a non-native speaker origin for that post. I will respond to some points just because a few people who might not recognize trolling might believe some of what was written. Let's start at the end and work backwards. You got THAT story completely ass backwards. The lead prosecutor(S) quit because they felt that they had more than enough information to prosecute Trump. The new head of the Southern District of New York came in and said that he didn't feel there was enough evidence to prosecute and told them to end their investigation - that's why they resigned. The civil case (completely different jurisdiction) is ongoing and no prosecutor in that case has quit. Trump just pleaded the 5th amendment hundreds of times, which, in a civil case, can be considered a possible admission of guilt and used to support a finding of guilt and liability (not so in criminal cases).

The NYT and other news sources have sometimes been able to obtain classified documents, and depending on their sensitivity have published them. Most often, when those classified documents directly contradicted official statements of the US govt to the press (as in the Pentagon papers). Judges have held that publishing information that the paper did not steal itself does not constitute a crime.

Trump was asked repeatedly to return classified information and other records he had taken. A president does not OWN records of things said or done while he was in the White House. Those things belong to the National Archive. For people above who have hinted that Hillary Clinton did the same, first of all she had NO documents to "borrow" or "steal". When she was sometimes in an email exchange which included classified information and she forwarded that information on her private server to other people in the government, she was doing something wrong, because she should have used an official US govt server to do that forwarding and, in some cases, it appears she didn't know if certain recipients were cleared to received classified information. Much of what is classified becomes publicly known over time and yet the US govt cannot ever officially confirm it. In Hillary Clinton's case, we have known for 10 years that the Benghazi site that was invaded was not an embassy. It was a CIA listening post. In all the dozens of hearings which the Republicans chose to hold over that event, that fact was NEVER revealed during the hearings. Why? Because it's classified. However, everyone knows it, and we knew it shortly after the event. That made the security at that site more difficult and problematic.

The President of the US is not a dictator like your own President, Vladimir Putin, and must obey the rules and regulations that apply to every government official. When he doesn't, as Trump often didn't, the first reaction is a polite warning that he needs to follow the rules, then a slightly firmer warning, and eventually people resort to trying to correct him after the fact. The President had no authority to try to bribe the president of Ukraine to make up dirt on Hunter Biden, using money that Congress had already authorized as leverage. There are always listeners on Presidential calls, not least because if he misspeaks, there has to be the ability to correct things right away. In the Ukraine case, several listeners realized immediately that what Trump was doing was illegal and they reported it. Not to the news, initially, but up their chains of command.

by Anonymousreply 271August 14, 2022 10:52 PM

R270... a lot of energy wasted on your post. Give it a rest.

by Anonymousreply 272August 14, 2022 11:14 PM

R270, to add, you have no idea what it means when something is classified Top Secret/SCI. It means that the info, if released, would likely result in loss of life. Fuck off, you apologist for a traitor to this country.

by Anonymousreply 273August 14, 2022 11:20 PM

A whole lot of TL;DR

by Anonymousreply 274August 15, 2022 12:05 AM

Someone sure is putting in a lot of overtime in the misinformation lab. It's best just to ignore or block.

by Anonymousreply 275August 15, 2022 12:20 AM

R271

[QUOTE][R270] Wow. What a bunch of misinformation all in one post. I think that's the definition of TROLL. Terrible English language syntax also reveals a non-native speaker origin for that post. I will respond to some points just because a few people who might not recognize trolling might believe some of what was written. Let's start at the end and work backwards. You got THAT story completely ass backwards. The lead prosecutor(S) quit because they felt that they had more than enough information to prosecute Trump. The new head of the Southern District of New York came in and said that he didn't feel there was enough evidence to prosecute and told them to end their investigation - that's why they resigned. The civil case (completely different jurisdiction) is ongoing and no prosecutor in that case has quit. Trump just pleaded the 5th amendment hundreds of times, which, in a civil case, can be considered a possible admission of guilt and used to support a finding of guilt and liability (not so in criminal cases).

So this entire paragraph was a long way of saying, "you were right". Again: you can't make post after post after post about how they have him this time, then months later when there are no charges filed and does not appear to be any forthcoming, you want to just quietly move on to the next scandal du jour.

[QUOTE]The NYT and other news sources have sometimes been able to obtain classified documents, and depending on their sensitivity have published them. Most often, when those classified documents directly contradicted official statements of the US govt to the press (as in the Pentagon papers). Judges have held that publishing information that the paper did not steal itself does not constitute a crime.

OK. I mentioned this only to make the point about people's selective outrage. When Hillary harbored classified documents, you all were entirely willing to let her slide (as was the FBI). When the media spent Trump's entire term shamelessly publishing classified or otherwise private documents, you all were completely willing to go along with it so long as it hurt or embarrassed Trump. But you expect those of us who are fair-minded -- oh, I'm sorry, Trumper Deplorable MAGAts -- to lose our minds over some documents he had in boxes in his basement? Yeah okay.

Part 2 below...

by Anonymousreply 276August 15, 2022 12:42 AM

[quote]Trump was asked repeatedly to return classified information and other records he had taken. A president does not OWN records of things said or done while he was in the White House. Those things belong to the National Archive. For people above who have hinted that Hillary Clinton did the same, first of all she had NO documents to "borrow" or "steal". When she was sometimes in an email exchange which included classified information and she forwarded that information on her private server to other people in the government, she was doing something wrong, because she should have used an official US govt server to do that forwarding and, in some cases, it appears she didn't know if certain recipients were cleared to received classified information. Much of what is classified becomes publicly known over time and yet the US govt cannot ever officially confirm it. In Hillary Clinton's case, we have known for 10 years that the Benghazi site that was invaded was not an embassy. It was a CIA listening post. In all the dozens of hearings which the Republicans chose to hold over that event, that fact was NEVER revealed during the hearings. Why? Because it's classified. However, everyone knows it, and we knew it shortly after the event. That made the security at that site more difficult and problematic.

So, you're actually wrong. Well: you're oversimplifying. There are records that belong to the National Archive, but the FBI doesn't have the authority to seize those items via search warrant. Those items being in his possession in and of itself may be "illegal" but there is no crime. They can subpoena those records and he would have to comply, but the FBI raided his home because they alleged that a crime was committed. And as lefties are want to do, you continue to downplay and LIE (since that's what we're doing) about what Hillary actually did. Under subpoena, Hillary and her aides and her lawyers went through and turned over the emails she wanted to turn over, then destroyed her server after wiping it clean. In reality we don't know the full extent of the classified information she had, but we do know what she did WHILE UNDER SUBPOENA.

Trump could've declassified every document they retrieved and he would've had the unilateral power to do so. Hillary did not have that power. So again: we're willing to let Hillary do her own thing, tell whatever story she wants to tell, and go home, but Trump has to provide some perfect rationale?

by Anonymousreply 277August 15, 2022 12:44 AM

[QUOTE]The President of the US is not a dictator like your own President, Vladimir Putin, and must obey the rules and regulations that apply to every government official. When he doesn't, as Trump often didn't, the first reaction is a polite warning that he needs to follow the rules, then a slightly firmer warning, and eventually people resort to trying to correct him after the fact. The President had no authority to try to bribe the president of Ukraine to make up dirt on Hunter Biden, using money that Congress had already authorized as leverage. There are always listeners on Presidential calls, not least because if he misspeaks, there has to be the ability to correct things right away. In the Ukraine case, several listeners realized immediately that what Trump was doing was illegal and they reported it. Not to the news, initially, but up their chains of command.

I'm American, dingus. You idiots really need to knock it off with this Boris nonsense.

Like I said, Trump never "bribed" Zelensky about foreign aid in exchange for "making something up" about Hunter Biden. That is a LIE. You are LYING. They wound up getting the foreign aid before the appropriation ran out and did not produce some oppo research on Biden to receive it. Trump asked him to look into Joe and Hunter Biden based on what Joe said he did, on camera, in front of an audience, with a fair amount of self-satisfaction. The same people who took Trump's "Russia are you listening" comments to heart think Joe saying "I don't them you're not getting this aid unless you fire Poroschenko" is just him being a silly little catfish.

This is why half the country doesn't take this nonsense seriously. You are shamelessly dishonest hypocrites.

[quote][R270], to add, you have no idea what it means when something is classified Top Secret/SCI. It means that the info, if released, would likely result in loss of life. Fuck off, you apologist for a traitor to this country.

R273 Hey idiot? If Trump had those kinds of documents sitting in a box in his basement, do you really think the FBI had thirty agents raid his home to rummage through his personal affects -- including breaking open his personal safe -- to find said documents and they were all granted the security clearance to view them? If Trump had documents pertaining to matters of national security, this would not be some run-of-the-mill raid like they would any one else. Biden would necessarily be involved, and there would've been way more wheeling and dealing involved to get those documents back. Because guess what, chica? If you seize them, and charge him with mishandling classified documentation, you're going to come clean about what those documents are at trial. You can't have a public accounting with portions under seal. You'll have to show a judge and a jury -- none of whom likely have a security clearance -- that these are the documents Trump had.

Do you really think they're gonna do that? NO.

Please go away and stop wasting my time.

by Anonymousreply 278August 15, 2022 12:45 AM

Yup, there's a troll (sure you're American) who is supporting this treasonous mass of shit. Yeah, even if holding on to the documents is illegal, no law was broken!

Best to block and ignore.

by Anonymousreply 279August 15, 2022 12:52 AM

r66 a judge just riled that his taxes have to now be released to the public. that was his last delay so we should see them probably this week.

by Anonymousreply 280August 15, 2022 12:53 AM

R279 No, I'm just smarter than you. Please go read the Presidential Records Act and point to me where in the law it lays out some type of criminal implication. I can save you some time and tell you it doesn't, but go see for yourself.

Every law doesn't carry with it some sort of criminal sanction. You'd know this if you bothered to consume any other media aside from whoever will stroke your anti-Trump boner for you.

by Anonymousreply 281August 15, 2022 12:54 AM

[bold] The One Where A Troll Has Fun Prodding A Clueless Eldergay Into Responding To His Every Crazy Thought As Laid Out In Increasingly Longer Paragraphs

by Anonymousreply 282August 15, 2022 1:02 AM

R282 Nobody believes I'm a troll except those of you who allows Trump to live in a penthouse rent-free in your mind. I'm just tired of the nonsense. Find something else to talk about if you don't want to hear a difference of opinion every once in awhile.

by Anonymousreply 283August 15, 2022 1:04 AM

What do we think those three additional warrants that were filed last week pertain to?

by Anonymousreply 284August 15, 2022 1:10 AM

R255 - Certain documents still have to be on paper in order to 'truly exist' or whatever legal term it is for that, even though electronic signatures etc. are available. This is why there are endless motorcycles roaring around and bicycles getting in your way in New York City and London blah blah blah.

by Anonymousreply 285August 15, 2022 1:16 AM

Keeping secret documents out of digital formats is certainly a good step towards keeping them in ONE PLACE, where you can keep an eye on them. That is the point. Anything digitized is fungible and transmissible to anywhere on earth in milliseconds. Isn't that obvious?

by Anonymousreply 286August 15, 2022 1:19 AM

FBI agents at the minimum have the equivalent of a Top Secret/SCI clearance with polygraph. There is no FBI agent with a lower level clearance than that.

by Anonymousreply 287August 15, 2022 1:26 AM

r284 and r285 are correct. Much of our classified info is stored only on paper. If it's developed on digital media, the media is wiped once a print is made. It is much easier to control info that way. The troll who thinks he knows how classified info works knows absolutely nothing.

by Anonymousreply 288August 15, 2022 1:27 AM

This thread was interesting until an anti-Hillary loon ruined it with her false equivalences.

Hillary was never accused of taking top secret documents to her home after her term ended.

She never was served a subpoena to return top secret documents.

She never would have lied that all top secret documents had been returned (when in reality, Trump was still hoarding the documents.

She never would have created such a dangerous situation that a judge signed a search warrant due to probable cause.

She never would have had her home raided due to failure to return top secret documents.

She never would have stolen the documents from White House meetings and stashed them for later selling to foreign adversaries.

Finally, she never would encourage her followers to attack the FBI or print their names on right-wing websites like Breitbart.

Your arguments are frankly bogus, including the whopper that Trump did nothing wrong. There are also are serious criminal penalties underlying the basis for the search warrant.

I don't even know why you bother here, this is not Facebook where you can mislead impressionable people.

by Anonymousreply 289August 15, 2022 1:34 AM

Well, I'll give R283 and E for effort and a T for nice try. And then a big fat F for fail. You keep coming up with new ways to tell us how badly you think poor Trump is being treated. The problem is you keep posting false and misleading crap to claim it.

[quote]There are records that belong to the National Archive, but the FBI doesn't have the authority to seize those items via search warrant. Those items being in his possession in and of itself may be "illegal" but there is no crime.

Yes it is. The crime was listed in the warrant: 18 U.S. Code § 2071.

[quote](a)Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both. (b) Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States. As used in this subsection, the term “office” does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States.

The allegation is Trump took and concealed documents of varying classifications he had no authority to take and conceal. And yes, that is a CRIME. That's in addition to the 2 other crimes the feds had probable cause for to get the warrant, and the at least 2-3 more he could be charged with still if they decide to move forward.

And I love that you just blithely claim without any basis whatsoever that the FBI has no authority to seize the documents they literally just seized based on a warrant a federal judge (who is a longtime Republican) signed off on. Oh, but I'm sure Archives referred the matter to DOJ based on a whim, and DOJ just took up a whole investigation they had no jurisdiction over because they were bored and had nothing better to do.

by Anonymousreply 290August 15, 2022 1:37 AM

r278 thinks if he bombards with assertions it suffices to fold and say "Uncle".

[quote] There are records that belong to the National Archive, but the FBI doesn't have the authority to seize those items via search warrant. Those items being in his possession in and of itself may be "illegal" but there is no crime.

Except for the inconvenient fact a judge found probable to find that a crime was committed based upon sworn, under oath, information the DOJ submitted to him. Judge Reinhart then signed a search warrant. That's the "authority" right there.

You may find that reading the 4th amendment to the US Constitution may provide more context here.

And since when does any American citizen, be they the POTUS or the maintenance person, get to defy a subpeona?

If anything, The DOJ played way too nice with Trump.

Only a handful of Americans -Garland, the Judge, and whoever at the DOJ crafted/drafted the affadavit that provided the nexus required to relate the items to be searched and seized to meet the standard of probable cause that a crime(s) were committed under the federal statutes set forth in the search warrant.

What the fuck? To read your BS, you'd have us be persuaded that Garland said, "Fuck it, we'll just wing-it with the probable cause standard and hope the Judge says fine, here's your warrant."

[quote] If Trump had documents pertaining to matters of national security, this would not be some run-of-the-mill raid like they would any one else. Biden would necessarily be involved, and there would've been way more wheeling and dealing involved to get those documents back.

Pure assertion here.

by Anonymousreply 291August 15, 2022 1:42 AM

The sick and sad Trump apologists really are the most decrepit beings on this planet. Most have probably never left the house they grew up in, just rancid in intellect and manner.

by Anonymousreply 292August 15, 2022 1:44 AM

Hey Dump apologist, there's a great forum called Truth (sic) Social, where low IQ individuals like yourself can play in the sandbox all day long! You'll feel like a king there! Dare I say... you'll seem "smart!"

by Anonymousreply 293August 15, 2022 1:48 AM

[quote]Come on people, you can't be this dumb.

Says the troll with an IQ in negative digits.

by Anonymousreply 294August 15, 2022 1:48 AM

Just block it. Only Don's Depends are more full of shit than this troll.

by Anonymousreply 295August 15, 2022 1:51 AM

[quote]Isn’t it weird that highly classified documents are in paper form in this day and age?

I'll take "how do you make absolutely certain that top secret documents won't get hacked?" for $800, Alex.

by Anonymousreply 296August 15, 2022 1:57 AM

I've seen rumors on Twitter that a grand jury is meeting this week in SDFL to look at all this vis-a-vis the Espionage Act.

Can you imagine if Dondon gets indicted this week??

by Anonymousreply 297August 15, 2022 1:59 AM

Oh geez, I completely missed this bit of hilarity:

[quote]If Trump had those kinds of documents sitting in a box in his basement, do you really think the FBI had thirty agents raid his home to rummage through his personal affects -- including breaking open his personal safe -- to find said documents and they were all granted the security clearance to view them?

Apparently some trolls have no idea that there are FBI agents with top secret security clearance. I mean, it should be obvious that they need law enforcement agents with that level of clearance. Or maybe you thought this was the kind of raid where they train the newbies. Maybe Clarice Starling was there!

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by Anonymousreply 298August 15, 2022 2:05 AM

Has Trump issued a statement condemning the actions of Ricky Shiffer, who attacked the FBI office in Cincinnati because he was mad the feds were being mean to Tweety?

by Anonymousreply 299August 15, 2022 2:14 AM

R297, indicted under seal perhaps, but I think we have a way to go before he's publicly indicted.

We haven't even been served appetizers at this banquet and Trump is the main entrée. It's still cocktail hour. And someone may flip the table once we are finally seated.

by Anonymousreply 300August 15, 2022 2:15 AM

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by Anonymousreply 301August 15, 2022 2:17 AM

PROSTITUTION WHORE PRESIDENT!

by Anonymousreply 302August 15, 2022 2:22 AM

True dat, R300. It looks like Garland's keeping his cards close to his vest.

If it guarantees greater pain for Dondon later on I can be patient.

by Anonymousreply 303August 15, 2022 2:24 AM

R299, at his next rally Trump will be calling Ricky a hero and screaming white lives matter and why isn't the officer who killed him on trial for murder?

by Anonymousreply 304August 15, 2022 2:41 AM

R270 seemed to sound reasonable….,until he unloaded the ridiculous lie that the NY prosecutor quit because he found no evidence to indict Trump, but felt pressured to do so anyway. It was exactly the opposite, and he fucking knows it. Seriously, die you worthless piece of shit.

by Anonymousreply 305August 15, 2022 2:51 AM

I just read R270 and it does not say what R305 claims it says.

by Anonymousreply 306August 15, 2022 3:52 AM

Read a little more carefully, R306. It's right there, just before the last line:

[quote]Months ago there was this same energy about the NY prosecution. How did that work out? There's a civil case going on, but the lead prosecutor quit because he said there was no case but he was being pressed to file charges anyway.

As others have said, that's just a flat-out lie (among others).

[quote]One of the senior Manhattan prosecutors who investigated Donald J. Trump believed that the former president was “guilty of numerous felony violations” and that it was “a grave failure of justice” not to hold him accountable, according to a copy of his resignation letter. The prosecutor, Mark F. Pomerantz, submitted his resignation last month after the Manhattan district attorney, Alvin Bragg, abruptly stopped pursuing an indictment of Mr. Trump.

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by Anonymousreply 307August 15, 2022 4:02 AM

Bye thread!

by Anonymousreply 308August 15, 2022 8:14 AM

[quote]Repeal the Espionage Act, of course!

Paul doesn't even bother to hide his allegiance to Russia, does he? Half of his state gets wiped out in a flood & you don't hear a peep from him, but Putin gives him a jingle & tells him to take the heat off of Orange Dumbass and he's on it.

by Anonymousreply 309August 15, 2022 8:52 AM

Last night it hit me what this is probably about:

Given Trump's general view of the world through the lens of a Mafia don, he was holding on to the documents to use them as blackmail in case the government--any government--was getting close to convicting him.

As in "call off (Fulton County, GA District Attorney) Fani Willis or I will turn this list of secret agents over to my friend Putin"

Very much in keeping with who Trump is and how he operates.

Worst case, he thought it would buy him a pardon.

by Anonymousreply 310August 15, 2022 11:39 AM

[quote] [R278] thinks if he bombards with assertions it suffices to fold and say "Uncle".

Where is it pretty common to insult someone by calling them "Uncle"? I'll give you three guesses ...

by Anonymousreply 311August 15, 2022 11:56 AM

R310, that makes sense. I thought his love of money would compel him to sell the info. But your theory makes more sense actually. One question to the group… since classified documents are numbered, do we think the FBI got everything that was missing? I didn’t see anywhere in the news that told us that.

by Anonymousreply 312August 15, 2022 12:03 PM

[quote] You idiots really need to knock it off with this Boris nonsense.

Почему мы должны это делать, Борис?

[quote] I'm American, dingus.

No. And just in case you are, you must be, ahem, 'special' since nobody with an IQ above 70 writes such crap re English syntax.

by Anonymousreply 313August 15, 2022 12:04 PM

Maggie Haberman (I know) just said on CNN that the second subpoena asked for the video feed from inside Mar-A-Largo, and that “something” government investigators saw on that feed “alarmed” them.

So what was it?

An unknown person “picking” the padlock and spending time in the basement?

A known foreign agent being given a “tour” that included the basement room?

DJT going into the locked area and emerging with a sheaf of documents (shortly after the NSA intercepted a call to him from a foreign national)?

by Anonymousreply 314August 15, 2022 12:45 PM

[quote]Repeal the Espionage Act, of course!

Trump can't be convicted of a crime if there are no laws.

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by Anonymousreply 315August 15, 2022 12:54 PM

[quote] Where is it pretty common to insult someone by calling them "Uncle"? I'll give you three guesses .

You idiot. “Say uncle” means to give up; to declare defeat. It doesn’t mean “call someone uncle as an insult.” You’re not American

by Anonymousreply 316August 15, 2022 1:54 PM

R316, I have that turd blocked but if he said that, he’s soooo busted as a foreigner.

by Anonymousreply 317August 15, 2022 1:59 PM

R92 One of the only intelligent posts on this thread.

by Anonymousreply 318August 15, 2022 2:07 PM

People who support trump at this point are just as big of traitors as he is.

by Anonymousreply 319August 15, 2022 2:15 PM

R318, I agree with R92 slightly… if this raid turns up nothing, or if any illegal shit gets overlooked, then Dump comes out on top again. This raid really does need to produce results.

by Anonymousreply 320August 15, 2022 2:16 PM

R320 So are you saying the motivation for the raid is political?

by Anonymousreply 321August 15, 2022 2:25 PM

[quote]Even those conservatives who do not like Trump will see the raid as an illegitimate attempt by democrats to prevent another Trump run for the presidency.

Odd, the Never-Trump conservatives I've seen mention the search warrant -- including Bill Kristol, David Frum, Tom Nichols, Rick Wilson, Joe Walsh and George Conway -- have all applauded the search warrant (and pointed out that it was not a "raid.")

by Anonymousreply 322August 15, 2022 2:26 PM

I see Paul is back.

Paul used to practically be the Keeper of the Flames and Freaks. In before times, DL moderator divided DL into Politics, Gossip and Flames & Freaks. It was great. The first two are self-explanatory. But the 3rd one needs some explanation. Flames and Freaks is where crazy people went….like someone who kept posting song lyrics or someone who was completely off their rocker.

But there was another kind of thread that got ff’d and that was when a thread devolved into 2 people endlessly arguing and derailing threads The moderator would suggest the two people “take it to email” and leave the rest of us alone.” But they wouldn’t,, so the moderator banished the tread to Flames & Freaks. I’d occasionally look there to see what craziness had overtaken DL in the past week and the majority of threads contained long ass, multi-paragraphed posts by Paul.

Some troll would posted 4 sentences. Paul would write an intro of 2 paragraphs, then would write multiple paragraphs under each bulleted line taken from the troll post.

After writing 15 paragraphs, Paul would post his dissertation.

The troll would answer with an “I know you are, but what am I?” response.

Paul would go back and quote various questions and responses the troll had written days ago and produce another long winded, bulleted document …..until he finally figured out how to do quotes.

It was pretty funny.

by Anonymousreply 323August 15, 2022 2:27 PM

R323 Are you deliberately trying to bore us to death?

by Anonymousreply 324August 15, 2022 2:34 PM

No, R321, but if nothing comes of this, by default it WILL become political, whether Dems want it or not. Look at how easily Republicans control narratives and news cycles.

by Anonymousreply 325August 15, 2022 2:47 PM

The warrant results have already established that Trump had top secret documents he had no business having, but yeah sure this better produce some... more results.

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by Anonymousreply 326August 15, 2022 2:49 PM

They weren't Top Secret. He pardoned them.

by Anonymousreply 327August 15, 2022 2:50 PM

"The stunning revelation made clear the gravity of the Justice Department’s inquiry months after the National Archives and Records Administration said it had discovered classified information in documents that Trump had held onto after leaving office.

“What he doesn’t have the right to do is possess the documents; they are not his,” said Jason Baron, a former director of litigation at the National Archives for more than a decade. “There should be no presidential records at Mar-a-Lago, whether they are classified or unclassified or subject to executive privilege or subject to attorney-client privilege.”

Documents covered by executive privilege are meant to be kept within the government."

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by Anonymousreply 328August 15, 2022 2:56 PM

Oh, damn, you're right, that IS Paul. I'd forgotten all about him.

More to the topic at hand: I do enjoy how Trump said he didn't have top secret documents but anyway those top secret documents he had were totally declassified. His flailing amuses me.

by Anonymousreply 329August 15, 2022 3:02 PM

I also enjoyed how Trump accidentally confessed by complaining they took "executive privilege" documents.

by Anonymousreply 330August 15, 2022 3:05 PM

R314, I think this is the video Haberman was talking about. It shows that after Trump & Co. were aware that the feds were asserting that he was improperly withholding classified documents he was moving documents in and out of the storage area. In fact, he might have hidden documents that have still not been recovered.

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by Anonymousreply 331August 15, 2022 3:07 PM

I, too, think OP is probably right. There's no way Dump didn't share information with Putin. Not letting a translator or anyone else in the room when he met with him all but proves (to me, anyway) that he was aiding and abetting Russia in something cladestine.

by Anonymousreply 332August 15, 2022 3:11 PM

*clandestine

by Anonymousreply 333August 15, 2022 3:11 PM

This has been his M.O. for many, many years. Getting into bro groups and bragging about fucking girls, and other 'serious discussions'. He was notorious for flashing nudes of Marla Maples to business associates and other assorted rich white men. I imagine he does this 'showing off' in all sorts of scenarios, and I wonder what Mary Trump would have to say about the origins of his pathological need to constantly brag and flash.

by Anonymousreply 334August 15, 2022 3:11 PM

Putin doesn't need an interpreter.

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by Anonymousreply 335August 15, 2022 3:18 PM

R335, Dump made sure no one except Putin's translator for Dump was in the room.

by Anonymousreply 336August 15, 2022 3:20 PM

No, R318, there's nothing remotely intelligent about what R92 said. Garland did not have to report the search of Dump's dump to the WH. In fact, not telling the WH guarantees that Biden could not be accused of knowing about it or having anything to do with it.

It's also nonsense that this will bite the Democrats, especially when "nuclear" and "espionage" are being uttered. Regardless, it will be seen by R92 and R318 and others of their MAGAt ilk as political. What neither of them care to mention is that Dump had no right to possess any of those documents because they don't belong to him.

by Anonymousreply 337August 15, 2022 3:38 PM

[QUOTE] They weren't Top Secret. He pardoned them.

Documents can’t be “pardoned” you non-American TARD.

by Anonymousreply 338August 15, 2022 7:22 PM

You aren't either, Boris @ R316.

by Anonymousreply 339August 15, 2022 7:24 PM

LOL at Boris now starting to insult people who dare disagree with him as "Non-Americans".

The DL really gets the dumbest Russian trolls these days, straight after they did Trolling 101 at the FSB.

by Anonymousreply 340August 15, 2022 7:26 PM

R338, OP was being sarcastic.

by Anonymousreply 341August 15, 2022 7:26 PM

What would yall like to bet they are now going to get that lady who translated for Trump, in that Trump / Putin one on one a few years ago, and COMPEL her to testify as to every word of it that she can remember?

by Anonymousreply 342August 15, 2022 7:27 PM

The laws of espionage do not require intent.

A pound of plutonium, hundreds of pounds of government documents, a dead hooker — all do not need intent.

The simple possession of these objects is against the law.

by Anonymousreply 343August 15, 2022 9:27 PM

R343 - The language and enforcement of federal law generally is so esoteric that usually only lawyers that deal with it on a regular basis can navigate through it. The poor slobs reading the "New York Post' and the 'Epoch Times' have no idea- they think it's the same as a municipal parking ticket.

by Anonymousreply 344August 15, 2022 9:46 PM

R341, gotcha. It’s honestly getting harder to tell.

R340, I’m not a “Boris.” Nice try. In fact, Thomas Jefferson’s sister was my great-great-etc-grandmother.

by Anonymousreply 345August 15, 2022 10:07 PM

🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

Good gravy R345.

by Anonymousreply 346August 15, 2022 10:31 PM

I think this is just emblematic of the sloppy, disorganized, dysfunctional, amateurish Trump administration that no one wants to admit brought the country so close to collapse. It was basically an unqualified and unprepared family of Manhattan blingtards who accidentally came into power, and struggled to get through the nightmare.

Luckily, they had the fumes of the successful Obama administration to coast on. But if the Deplorables put him back in power, they deserve all the misery in store for them.

by Anonymousreply 347August 15, 2022 10:37 PM

^Any spicy stories about the old gal, R346? Datalounge demands ancient TEA! Did she also know HER way around when it came to interracial "relations"?!

by Anonymousreply 348August 16, 2022 1:43 AM

Trump had the audacity to attempt building a wall to keep Mexican criminals out if America. Communists will hound him to his grave.

by Anonymousreply 349August 16, 2022 4:29 AM

Hopefully, he'll be in his grave sooner than later, R349.

by Anonymousreply 350August 16, 2022 4:32 AM

R349 deplores Communism. He prefers his leaders to be fascists who overthrow legitimate elections.

by Anonymousreply 351August 16, 2022 4:37 AM

OK. Imma post this on all relevant threads. I just finished catching up with Maddow for August 15th and I. Am. In. LOVE!!!!!!!!! Brandon Van Grack. Remember that name. Apparently he worked in the DoJ, and he was part of the Mueller Team, prosecuted Flynn and Manafort. He left the Justice Department. Quit. Resigned. His area of expertise was dealing with foreign agents, like when Michael flynn was getting money from foreign countries for representing their interests and not telling anyone. Anyway, tonight he gave his very first interview with Rachel and walked us through the recent warrants and filings regarding Donnie. He has a beautiful smile He is an attractive older man...but not too old. And I think he may possible be Gay. What makes me think this? I want him to be.

by Anonymousreply 352August 16, 2022 4:43 AM

I don't like Rachel's replacement. She seems like an HSN host.

by Anonymousreply 353August 16, 2022 5:22 AM

She's Tiffany Cross without the annoying voice. She is Symone without the lard. Reid without the wigs.

by Anonymousreply 354August 16, 2022 11:05 AM
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by Anonymousreply 355August 16, 2022 12:08 PM

I was not expecting that voice to come out of Brandon Van Grack! But alas, he got married to a woman in Toledo not long ago, so if he is gay, he's hiding. But with that voice, not very well.

by Anonymousreply 356August 16, 2022 1:05 PM

[quote] Thomas Jefferson’s sister was my great-great-etc-grandmother.

Of course she was, R345.

And I am Princess Anne.

by Anonymousreply 357August 16, 2022 2:00 PM

Symone is abhorent to me. Ugh. Repulsive. Never like her when she worked for Sanders. If you're talking about Alex Wagner she is recycled hosting. She has been on and off with MSNBC for a very long time. She left to marry a chef. Now she is back? She is smart, but she doesn't have the gravitas to have her own spot.

by Anonymousreply 358August 16, 2022 2:01 PM

Given he didn't lose the election, he has the right to have documents. The media constantly spread rumours he was not studious so I guess this proves them wrong.

by Anonymousreply 359August 16, 2022 2:34 PM

^Oh fuck, the insane Trumpers who can't accept reality are here. Why? Why are you HERE? Did you lose your way after your brain melted?

by Anonymousreply 360August 16, 2022 2:45 PM

He ate Obama's birth certificate.

by Anonymousreply 361August 16, 2022 2:50 PM

^Incoherent MORONIC gibberish. Go AWAY.

by Anonymousreply 362August 16, 2022 2:51 PM

How the fuck do you fix stupid? We're up to our necks in it.

by Anonymousreply 363August 16, 2022 2:55 PM

R359- FF and block the tiresome cunts.

by Anonymousreply 364August 16, 2022 2:55 PM

R359 is a deplorable parody

by Anonymousreply 365August 16, 2022 3:09 PM

Speaking of parody, follow Gollum J. Trump on twitter, wailing on about losing his "precious" presidency. Whoever created that site is completely demented in the best way, but very entertaining.

by Anonymousreply 366August 16, 2022 3:47 PM

R366- Thanks for recommending it, lol.

by Anonymousreply 367August 16, 2022 3:50 PM

R359 isn't even American, based on spelling. Just cunt-punt and ignore.

by Anonymousreply 368August 16, 2022 3:50 PM

R368- He sucks at trolling. Bottom feeding parasite.

by Anonymousreply 369August 16, 2022 3:54 PM

Run along, R359, only A-list trolls are welcomed here.

by Anonymousreply 370August 16, 2022 3:58 PM

R370 no matter how much good trump does, datalounge hates him because some of his followers don't believe in gay marriage. Sorry, but millions of Mexicans flooding in is more important than gay rights. Deep in your black hearts, you know Putin would not have attacked the Ukraine if the rightful president was anointed.

by Anonymousreply 371August 17, 2022 4:17 PM

Deep in my black heart, I know Trump would have given Putin the green light to invade Ukraine.

by Anonymousreply 372August 17, 2022 4:21 PM

Deep in your fart, R371, you know you're insane.

by Anonymousreply 373August 17, 2022 6:32 PM

[quote]Deep in my black heart, I know Trump would have given Putin the green light to invade Ukraine.

I don't think that's even question - hell, he probably would figure out some way to help Russia (like providing intelligence to enable them to assassinate key leaders). All while Lady G & Co. went to Fox News and denounced Ukraine as some kind of rogue state being brought back to Mother Russia, it's a terrible country, etc. and MAGA nation would've shrugged.

by Anonymousreply 374August 17, 2022 7:01 PM

I went to get a hair cut today and my barber shares a cube with a woman and they both do a lot of Gay guys hair. Anyway. We gossiped about Donnie briefly, and my adorable Barber shook his head. "I don't get it! Why was he storing boxes of top secret documents at MAL?" Sweetums was appalled that the FBI had to go there. And the woman stylist chimed in, "He was tryin to sell that stuff. You watch. That's what will come out. Because he was friends with Putin. And Putin wanted to invade Ukraine and Biden wanted to stop him. PlusTrump was probably pissed at the President of Ukraine for not helping h im frame Hunter Biden. So Trump probably has informatio to he;lp Putin in the war and he was gonna sell it for $$. " This from a highb school drop out hairdresser! Then she added, "Look they knew he had that stuff. How come it took this long for them to get it?"

by Anonymousreply 375August 17, 2022 8:58 PM

R371 REALLY sucks at trolling.

by Anonymousreply 376August 17, 2022 9:01 PM
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