SO YOU THINK YOU CAN DANCE?

I'm so glad that we get a season without horse teeth Nigel and Mary and their questionable judging. I watched the first episode/auditions and the selection of the top 12. Watch the first top 12 performance and already I'm about to bow out for the season. It's great to see 2 full figured dancers (male and female) in the lineup who I think dance beautifully. When they got rid of the full-figured girl (I can't recall her name), I realized that we're still playing the Nigel/Mary games. She shouldn't have been the one that was eliminated.

Two things I'll never forget. One: Nigel, Mary, and some of the other judges nitpicky and at times harsh judging of season 5 dancer Evan Kasprzak. He was mainly a tap dancer who I thought did other dancers superbly. Debbie Allen, Mia Michaels, and the audience, both in studio and viewing, loved him. As much as some of the judges tried to get him eliminated, he did make it to 3rd place but I will never forget the way he was treated.

Two: These words actually came out of Nigel's ugly mouth during an actual broadcast: "We know from the beginning how we want the season to end up." Take that however you wish.

Also, JoJo Siwa can be a bit too much.

First of all, thank you for commenting! We ADORED Evan (my husband is a tapper!) and they were nasty about him. Nigel makes me cringe too and the Hot Tamale Express is not missed at our house either. I feel like they don't make them work as hard to get to the top 10/12 and this season is kind of a dud. I do like the body positivity too, but they act like Beau is from outer space (breaking barriers and going where no man has gone before!) Jojo is too much. I really love Twitch. Leah...um, really, no one with dance experience was available? Her comments are garbage. I miss Matthew Morrison.

r2, thanks for saying that. I truly believe that all guest judges should have considerable dance and/or choreography experience and not just some dancing here and there. Leah's not as bad as some other guest judges they had in the past but still.

Would a trans contestant be allowed to compete?

Keaton his beefy and hot. He's a jock too, which is a huge turn on. FUCK ME KEATON, I mean, I hope you win!

Sorry, I think it's a mess.

I miss Nigel and Mary for the bits of knowledge and truth they'd drop. The new panel has no one with any wisdom. They should have at least one old person with lifelong dance knowledge there.

JoJo is actually my favorite of the current panelists, which is pretty sad as she is totally obnoxious. tWitch would be if he was more talkative. And Leah... total joke.

Remember the glory days of this show with Travis Wall and Danny Tidwell and Neil Haskell and Allison Holler and Mia Michaels. I used to love it so much. Some of those routines are burned in my memory.

MARY!!!

The last season I watched was the juniors version they did - which was actually quite good. Tate McRae was a contestant and now she’s a pop star.

I can’t imagine it’s the same without Nigel and Mary - even though they were annoying AF at times.

r7, it's actually pretty damn good without Nigel and Mary. Nigel and Mary's judging was shady and as someone else had pointed out, I'm so glad we don't have to put up with Mary's hot tamale train. I wonder if Nigel is still producing the show.

What I noticed as the years went on was the quality of the contestants started to drop. Most dancers in that age range are already working if they are talented - the show seemed to be casting really average contemporary dancers and street performers.

Is this season worth checking out in terms of the talent?

r9, I think so. I was pretty pleased with the selection of the Top 12. A few do stand out but I think they all have something to offer. Honestly, the street performers were my least favorite because they're the ones who struggled the most with other type of dances. This season they have at least a couple who have done other dances and done them well.

I loved cutie Evan Kasprzak. At the end, the final three did a really tough dance with flips and he was doing everything as well as the others.

I used to watch regularly years ago and it's cool to see some of the alumni on Bway and in movies now. I've only watched snippets this season, but it's still my favorite reality show of all time.

[quote]The last season I watched was the juniors version they did - which was actually quite good.

It featured Honey Boo-Boo and Tripp Palin, who had no talent and was forced to be on the show.

Nigel: "You get a full scholarship to Debbie Allen School of Dance!"

Debbie Allen: WTF?

Anyone remember when Ariana Debose was on?

I refused to watch that Junior Season. That should've been a spin-off broadcast at a different time of the year rather than during the summer in place of the regularly broadcast show with ADULTS.

I still watch! I like Beau, but I imagine the season is Keaton's to win. JoJo has the heaviest lesbian voice I've ever heard!

R15 they paired the kids with past contestants including that beautiful Robert. Remember him?

[quote][R15] they paired the kids with past contestants including that beautiful Robert. Remember him?

Robert and little JT Church ( now in Music Man), choreographed by Travis Wall.

Remember this homoerotic classic? Travis wall did some really incredible work.

The Kent-Neil dance was one of my absolute favorites. Also, apparently it was shade towards Travis' competitor/ex Ivan from his season of SYTYCD? Would've liked to watch that!

As long as that don't bring back that damn greasy looking tired ass pretentious queen Tyce D'Orio (sp?) back as a judge/choreographer, I'm good. I couldn't stand him.

I watched from the first season up until they switched to a focus on hip-hop anything-goes dancing. Apparently it was to broaden the appeal of the show. I liked the original concept, in which the audience could learn a lot about the finer technical detail of various types of dancing.

I haven't watched in years. It is now all barefoot flailing like used car lot sky dancers?

Watching the top 12. Wow, they picked a fat queen over the immensely talented Sam McWilliams...obviously for the woke fans. The dances have been very dull so far and none has shown any spark of brilliance.

I thought dancers were supposed to be thin and lithe. The guys look more like the defensive line of the Packers.

[quote] I thought dancers were supposed to be thin and lithe.

That’s a good point. Didn’t the judges used to appropriately roll their eyes and look disgusted when a fat person auditioned? The clips would be shown for some good comedy, but the fat people were kept out of the competition.

One thing about this season is that there's NO eye candy. I know some of you queens like the guy, whose name escapes me, who did the disco dance. He barely has a chin and is not good looking.

Tonight was rough. The whole thing just seems mediocre. Keaton did look awful-I think they actually took a curling iron to his hair!

None of these dancers have "dancer bodies" and it sort of pisses me off. The two that went home last night were the closest to having a dancer's build, especially the male dancer. Beau's solo made me shudder. I just can't take him seriously. Carter, I want to slap that gay-face. Keaton, I would swallow his loads all day long.

It's like the opposite of Grindr. Yes fats, yes fems.

I totally agree r29! No male eye candy AT ALL. It's really disappointing. I was celebrating the absence of Nigel Lythgoe but I do believe that he would've made sure some eye candy was selected. I'm okay with stocky men competing if they can dance but you need to mix in some eye candy in there.

Fat Carter dances.

Beau will win this year.

Previous years' eye candy.

Thank you for sharing that r34! That Ellenor and Jakob dance to "Tore my Heart", choreographed by Sonya Tayeh was one of my all time favorites. Jakob has an ass that would make my dick hard every time he danced.

God this season is ROUGH.

... like, even the dancing is really sub par, which makes the lack of eye candy truly disappointing. I can tolerate listening to Susan Boyle, but if she sounded like Screech I would change the channel.

Heidi was the best in season 2 and Mia Michaels is a CUNT!!!!

From all accounts r38, Mia Michaels was a cunt but her choreography was beautiful. I also give her credit for sticking up for Evan Kasprzak (season 5) when Nigel and Mary was being so cunty towards him.

Loved Mia Michaels. Most of us would have reacted to Heidi the same way Mia did. She had DL energy.

Was she more of a cunt than many choreographers? Any specific stories?

I can't believe Danny Tidwell died. It's so sad. He was incredibly talented. I remember seeing him dance with ABT.

There have been fat dancers before. The guy in Season 2, and the fat flat footed pile of shit in Season 10.

The fat guy this season is next level crap. Makes me sad.

I much preferred the short-lived Shut Up and Dance, created by Jerry Mitchell and hosted by DL fave Elizabeth Berkley. Cody was so handsome! 😍

It sucks Travis wall was “cancelled.” I wonder how he’s supporting himself financially now.

r45, why was Travis Wall cancelled?

No. Of course we don't watch this shit. "Dance" is not dance.

He lost all his jobs after this

We stopped watching after the first episode of the "Stage versus Street" season.

I forgot about that, R49. Ugh.

If Travis "initiated sexual conversations, propositioned me for sex, sent me nude photos, sexually harassed me at work or engaged in sexual relationships with me." I would think I won the lottery! I'll fuck you HARD Travis Wall!

Agreed r51. Lol.

I agree too R51. I could spend all day eating that ass. Call me Travis!

Robert Roldan choreographed a dance in this last episode. He's my very favorite of all the men of any season.

Oh yes Robert is beautiful

Just a reminder of what the show once was.

Robert and his best dance partner, 10 yr old JT Church, who is now in " The Music Man," in a number choreographed by Travis Wall.

Like many such shows, the casting is less for talent and more for social statement.

This was the best. Love Cody

The fat guy will win this year. No question. It's another Bobby Bones situation.

I loved Lex.

This show used to be iconic. So many of the dances are burned in my brain.

Now they are casting fat people? Jesus.

Ricky Ubeda: truly one of the best dancers to appear on this show and my personal all time favorite.

LOVED Ricky. Remember his solo to “skin and bones?”

Here you go r64!

Thank you!! God he was great

Best numbers. Image gone, but the rest is there.

Missing # 5 on the list.

r68, truly one of the best SYTYCD dances ever. I was heartbroken when Alex Wong had a season ending injury. He could've won that season.

So Travis and Nick sexually harassed a tranny?

R 69, yes, he would have won that season, but he ended up in the OBC of " Newsies."

I see Alex Wong from time to time out in NY. He is adorable and seems very sweet.

Anyone else remember Alison Holker and Travis Wall in the moment linked below when she gets voted off (fast forward to the end of the package - although all her solos are lovely)? I sure do.

Tonight's the NIGHT! (OP trying to drum up excitement for something no one give fuck-all about!)

Tonight they’re bringing All-Stars for the Top 6 so hopefully for the FIRST time this season, we’ll have some eye candy.

r69, Alex really wowed us with his footwork and his ability to let go of that balletic posture with that routine. We were also crushed when he got injured during his Bollywood number. He seems to have a pretty good social following, so I hope he's doing well.

No love for Hawaiian Hottie Mark Kanemura?

I always thought Mark was overrated. But then he ended up dancing for Lady Gaga right?

SO YOU THINK YOU CANNED ANTS?

r75, I love Mark Kanemura. He was competing the same season as current judge Twitch. Mark had one of the best auditions I've ever seen. He did his own choreographed dance to Queen's Bohemian Rhapsody. It was awesome. He also choreographed one of the best dances I've ever seen on the show.

Last night's pairing with the All Stars gave an even greater contrast between the bodies of real dancers and these pretenders. They are down to the final six, none of whom could have gotten this far during any other season. The men are all fat! The women are hefty for dancers. It was most evident with the pairing of the obese Beau and the fabulous Lex, who did all of the dance moves, while Beau looked like a fat person slipping on ice.

We've seen the Beau-Lex pairing before on DWTS Junior.

Essence has deserved to go for a long time. So has Beau. What they are putting out there has nothing to do with the results so far and it's really aggravating.

Also, the fact that you don't have to look like a traditional dancer to dance well and be entertaining is well represented by Keaton. Why do they think they have to keep Beau to make this point? Is it all JoJo's influence?

Great point r82! I'm in the be careful what you wish for camp. As much as I don't miss Nigel and Mary, there wouldn't be both a Beau and Keaton in the line up if they were selecting the dancers. Quite frankly, I thought the dancers that Beau and Keaton got selected over were better dancers and easier on the eyes. Beau's dance last night was painful to watch for the reasons r79 stated so well. Lex is one of the best dancers that show has ever had. He was my favorite his season. Let's face it. Lex did all the work in that dance. Beau was a moving prop. The audience is trying to tell the judges something. If Beau ends up in the bottom 3 next week, he needs to go.

I have a feeling Nigel will be back next season.

Just a few seconds of the performance is enough to say that Beau is not a dancer and shouldn't even be on this show. Lex is brilliant.

I understand the intention of the message they're trying to send with Beau and Keaton's selection. You don't have to have the traditional dancer's body to be a good dancer. Keaton's a good dancer even though he was selected over better, and yeah I'll say it, more hotter looking auditioning dancers. Beau's not a bad dancer but he's out of his league in this show.

Btw, I think Twitch is a great judge. I was never a Leah Remini (sp?) fan but compared to most guest judges, I think she's doing a great job. JoJo is annoying as fuck. That voice alone.

That really is unfair to put Beau with lean ole' Lex. Whoever said Beau looked like a fat person slipping on the ice, you're KILLING ME with that analogy. SO RIGHT ON! When Beau falls to the floor, you can see his belly shake. God bless him, but I don't want to see a dancer like that on national TV. During the audition first two episodes when Beau danced I actually closed my eyes until it was over.

Sam McWilliams was cut in favor of Beau.

Even as a young teen, Sam ( in front) was better than Beau could ever hope to be.

Thanks r87. WOW! They selected Beau over this guy? SERIOUSLY? Sam's a much better dancer and much easier on the eyes. Don't get me wrong. I don't think heavy set people can't dance but in a show like this, the dancing just looks better with leaner bodies. Just saying.

[quote] As long as that don't bring back that damn greasy looking tired ass pretentious queen Tyce D'Orio (sp?) back as a judge/choreographer, I'm good. I couldn't stand him.

Wasn't there some sexual harassment scandal?

Beau actually surprised me. He's way better than I ever expected he would be.

SYTYCD always tends to move away from the lyrical dancers. Maybe they're a dime a dozen. Maybe they tend to be less masculine.

Whatever reason, the show prefers male dancers in other areas.

Remember how horrible Tyce D'orio was in the Chorus Line documentary "every little step?"

He refused to do the assigned choreography in the audition and kept adding onto it IIRC. Came off like a total asshole.

Next time instead of closing my eyes when Beau dances I'm going to bury my face in Sam McWilliams's hairy pit.

Oh I do remember r92. I remember seeing this at the theater and how the audience would groan whenever Tyce showed his ass. One of my favorite scenes was either the show's director or producer calling Tyce's agent and just laying it on the line about how difficult Tyce was being. He's such a arrogant bitch.

Yes r94!! He was so out of line!

Yes, he was a great dancer but sabotaged his career by being an asshole and a sexual predator apparently

I googled Tyce D'Orio and sexual harrassment but came up with nothing. Anyone have a link to share?

Wade Robson had alleged he was abused by MJ. He was a regular choreographer on SYTYCD.

So weird about googling Tyce. Not alot comes up at all.

Was the sex scandal scrubbed from the internet. Even his Wiki page is strangely bare

I don’t really remember hearing that about Tyce. Was more just that he was a raging ass and seemed sort of unstable?

Keaton has an unusual body for a dancer, but he can keep up with the choreography and is at times pretty entertaining He's acceptable for this show which has not always picked the best dancer, but "America's favorite dancer" has always been at least a certain level.

Beau is another story. He's not terrible, but he's lacking a lot of training or didn't pick up much from his training. I don't care which and can't be bothered to research his background. He's simply not up to the level of this show.

Essence doesn't get enough criticism in this thread. She's not up to the level of this show. She should have been sent home weeks ago.

It's crazy that someone like Thiago got sent home so early, yet Essence and Beau remain.

Tyce in " Every Little Step."

R102 thank you. What madness!!

R102, hilarious when a middling performer thinks he's a star already

I like football player dude for the win on SYTYCD.

The show loves "masculine" male dancers. This guy is strong, handsome, and yes, a fantastic dancer.

I HATE when no one goes home! I hate it when there's a double "sasahy, you BOTH stay, too"! This last show was cruel pairing some of them with the all stars. Also, Leah's belt was so high it made her boobs like like Carol Burnett's when she did that slack breasted dowager character. I did like when she said DAMN YOU to the choreographer for making her get the feels. This season is a snooze though. Keaton for the WIN!

r106, that was Carol Burnett as Nora Desmond, her take on Norma Desmond from the classic film noir SUNSET BOULEVARD. LOL!!!

Beau should have been axed for his lack of dance skills.

YES! Leah last night!

Beau is actually pretty good. He's chubby, but has great technique

Please. Technique cannot overcome line and form overshadowed by sheet weight.

Real dancers with great technique. This is what dancing is supposed to look like, not the faux dancing on this year's SYTYCD.

The best word to describe this season is lackluster, from the dancers to the choreography to the judging. (Leah Remini? Really?) Even Cat Deely seems to be phoning it in. I'm glad Simon is gone but the judges table needs some authority there.

r113, I think Leah Remini is pretty good compared to past guest judges and I say that as someone who was never a Leah fan. I do agree about Cat Deely. I thought it was just me. I still think she's the best and most underrated reality-competition host on TV but her energy is not the same. Also, I think you meant Nigel instead of Simon.

Football dude is hot and a gorgeous dancer to boot.

Why has Cat not been able to move past this show to something bigger?

Football dude has serious butter face but he can dance.

Can't stand Jo Jo.

The praise for Beau during the auditions was that the judges couldn't keep their eyes off him. But it always seems to me that's because he's always dancing like he's trying to catch up and is at best a half step off.

His being in the bottom 3 times and the routine with Lex totally justified his being sent home

I've seen this show enough to know that based on their comments, the judges are intentionally trying to get Beau eliminated, especially Twitch.

Beau honey, you're going home tonight. Keaton really is the best dancer this season.

Haven't watched the show since this season.

Good times...

I bet football player guy is a hot, flexible bottom

There was a moment when Keaton's nip slipped in rehearsal and I just wanted to lick it. I'm so happy to see Beau go home. He did NOT LIKE when Twitch gave him some feedback- he turned into an angry gay. I'm also glad I don't have to hear Carter speak again. Every time he talked blood would spray from my ears. So GO KEATON- HOT FLEXIBLE BOTTOM!

I’m glad Beau went home as well but as far as how he responded to Twitch’s criticism, I’m going to defend him on that. Beau saw the writing on the wall and knew the judges were working to get him eliminated. They shouldn’t had picked him in the first place.

Yes, that's the problem with these shows. So much of the "judging" is about getting a desired result rather than offering an honest critique.

Agree r136.

I meant r126.

JoJo’s a bitch! She’s trying to get Essence eliminated. I rather have Leah Remini back next season than that damn JoJo.

Semi FINAL! We just started watching. All we have left to look at is Keaton. And Twitch who I think is sex on a stick.

Whom

Does the show really think we believe the studio audience is actually voting? Because I don't. Even if they are, the producers are pulling 95% of the strings (as they most likely always have). It's been Keaton's to lose ever since his audition (and rightly so).

Great point r132!

18:38: Keaton reveals that he fell in love with " someone", then uses " they." Don't straight men usually refer to their loves as " She"?

If the eliminations were based solely on the audience vote, I'd say that the audience wasn't really voting. But since the judges/show producers are mostly still selecting which dancers go off the show, I'm thinking there is an audience vote that's used as more of guidance on who the viewing audience is responing to.

The seasons are now so short that it really doesn't matter to the show which dancer they give the prize money to.

R135 And the episodes feel so short.

I don’t like Keaton shirtless. His pink nipples remind me of albino eyes

R137 wins this thread!-OP

Only audience votes for the winner; no public vote.

Alexis is wiping the floor with Keaton. His shape doesn't allow for clear lines and he's made mistakes.

About to watch!-OP

r140, Keaton will more than likely win anyway. That’s why I didn’t bother to watch. Those judges will make damn sure Keaton wins.

What is that called when you’re hot only far away? This is Carter. And his SHIMMY!!!!!!

Jo Jo sounds like she eats lit cigarettes.

r144, I really hope they don’t bring that bitch back next season. I rather have Leah Remini back than her.

AND THE WINNER IS…WHAT??!!?!!

It wasn't very close.

For a final contestant, Keaton was the weakest I have ever seen. Can the producers stop going with these chunky men who are incapable of executing proper line. Once again his weakness really showed in his duo with Lex, a real dancer with real technique.

Keaton is straight.

This was the most lackluster and disappointing season ever. Thiago was the only one talented enough to even make the live shows and he went out early. No one else would have even been selected in the past. The judges were awful. The format was awful having the studio audience "vote" for who went through (aka the producers chose). Beau was a joke and a travesty. This was a series I looked forward to every summer but now...ugh.

Is the OP married to Alyssa Edwards?!?!?!?!

You didn't like the " body positive" season? Neither did I. And get rid of fucking JoJo.

OP here...no R151, that is so random. What gives?

I was embarrassed for Keaton when he announced that he had a girlfriend. He had a crazed look in his eye, the crazed look of someone getting laid for the first time. I think he was focusing more on his newly acquired pussy than dancing. He did a shitty job. CRAZED LOOK!

It was embarrassing, but I think he was caught up in the moment. The comments abut the season are devastating.

It was an awful season, in every and any way.

I went back and looked at random SYTYCD dances. Not the classics previously discussed, but just random dances from the earlier seasons. Wow. Good reminder that the "worst" then was still way better than most of the dances this season.

Keaton was cute when I first saw him and even he got boring.

If Nathan Fillion and Chris Pratt had a baby, he would look like Keaton.

I used to love it but as with all the talent shows, over time, it lost its novelty. Every paso doble and almost every Latin dance and swing dance are the same. Only the costumes and the dancers change, and the routine routines got old to me.

I used to be moved by a lot of the contemporary dances, but something weird happened after one choreographer won an Emmy for doing a dance in someone's memory, and then all the choreographers were vying for Emmys with "very special dances" about cancer, etc.

This season should be the last one if anything. I can’t imagine any talented dancer wanting to participate