Obergefell and Lawrence
The right to gay marriage and the abolition of sodomy laws need to be codified federally and/or at the state level if you don't want a repeat of today.
Setting the supreme court on fire won't do anything.
Reject anything other than a push for your legislatures to put our rights into law. Don't leave them dangling by a court decision. It has to be explicitly legal.
by Anonymous | reply 11 | June 25, 2022 1:08 PM
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The thing with sodomy laws is that they're usually restrictive - outlining what CAN'T be done. I don't think I've ever seen a law that sets out what you CAN do, i.e., "all legal adults have the right to engage in any voluntary consensual sex acts with other legal adults." I can't see them codifying such a law. But, it would be great if they did, because, just like Roe, if Lawrence is overturned, it would be a patchwork of state laws. And those laws would be legally sound in the states that passed them - though restrictive laws would also be legally sound in other states.
by Anonymous | reply 1 | June 25, 2022 4:46 AM
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Surely the right to marry could be codified without even being controversial, right now. Abolition of sodomy laws could be phrased in such a way that wouldn't be opposed. Sodomy includes oral or anal sex between straight people, too. Clearly it's not a good bet to rely on a SCOTUS decision. Our rights have to be spelled out by law.
by Anonymous | reply 2 | June 25, 2022 4:55 AM
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"Sodomy includes oral or anal sex between straight people, too."
That's true, oral and anal is a classic definition. But, sodomy can also just mean non-procreative sex - again implying oral or anal and maybe more. And even broader, it can mean simply "aberrant" sex. There's a sliding scale, and don't be so sure that a new sodomy law wouldn't specifically codify that people of the same sex can't engage in certain behavior.
by Anonymous | reply 3 | June 25, 2022 5:03 AM
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There has to be a way to make these rights a law. Specify it doesn't matter whether it's same sex or hetero.
Clearly, leaving these rights undefined by law and unenshrined by law is rolling the dice with a conservative court that will be around for the next several decades.
by Anonymous | reply 4 | June 25, 2022 5:11 AM
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If you're doing business with a religious son-of-a-bitch, get it in writing. His word isn't worth shit, not with the good lord telling him how to fuck you on the deal.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 5 | June 25, 2022 5:48 AM
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Directory of Congressional Representatives (for phone numbers)
*You need to state your full name and residential address during your phone call or in your voicemail message in order for your opinion to make any difference whatsoever. They don't care, at all, if you don't give evidence that you're actually one of their constituents. You don't even become a relevant data point, which is the whole point of calling your representatives.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 6 | June 25, 2022 6:49 AM
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Directory of Senators (for phone numbers)
*You need to state your full name and residential address during your phone call or in your voicemail message in order for your opinion to make any difference whatsoever. They don't care, at all, if you don't give evidence that you're actually one of their constituents. You don't even become a relevant data point, which is the whole point of calling your representatives.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 7 | June 25, 2022 6:50 AM
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It wouldn't help. The court can just as easily overturn laws as previous decisions.
by Anonymous | reply 8 | June 25, 2022 6:57 AM
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R6, R7, "ooze", yes, so what? Call your own representatives. It's not unreasonable that you should give your real name and number. Prove you live there. Weirdo.
by Anonymous | reply 9 | June 25, 2022 7:58 AM
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R9 Are you lost, confused, or both? This thread is specifically about, quoting the OP, "a push for your legislatures to put our rights into law".
I helpfully provided links to where people could find contact information for their legislators to do just that--you know, the exact topic of this thread.
Your comment is like coming into a thread about baking cherry pie and freaking out because someone posted a link to a pie crust recipe. Are you drunk or something?
You, yourself, don't need to contact your representatives, sweetheart. Don't worry, I won't force you!
by Anonymous | reply 10 | June 25, 2022 8:07 AM
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It’s cute you think that’s an option, OP.
by Anonymous | reply 11 | June 25, 2022 1:08 PM
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