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Prediction: The Overturning of Roe will not greatly help Democrats in elections

“We found that Americans who support abortion rights still care more about the economy,” @USATODAY’s @SusanPage says. “It’s not at all clear that this is going to transform that midterm election.” Full comments:

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by Anonymousreply 239November 14, 2022 4:38 PM

It's going to help Republicans. Their base was just energized with the heat of a thousand suns.

Bye bye, Ameican democracy.

by Anonymousreply 1June 24, 2022 7:40 PM

It's especially ironic because Republicans haven't said Thing 1 about what they would do about inflation, gas prices, etc. They just whine.

However, I don't think it's going to help Republicans. The base that supports this decision is about 30% of the public. A large majority of Americans don't.

by Anonymousreply 2June 24, 2022 7:43 PM

Corporate media is complicit in the continuing erosion of the democratic rights of US citizens.

This discussion is framed incorrectly.

Inflation and high gas prices are worldwide, so why is this a President Biden or a Democrat problem?

by Anonymousreply 3June 24, 2022 7:47 PM

R2, the large majority who don’t support this won’t vote. Most democrats say they care but will lose interest by the time voting comes around.

The small minority that does will all vote.

by Anonymousreply 4June 24, 2022 7:49 PM

It will help Republicans pick up the Latino vote and the women who will have more than one abortion in their lifetime were already going to vote Democratic.

by Anonymousreply 5June 24, 2022 7:52 PM

The story is still in progress. All of you are simply shrugging your shoulders, which shows your implicit endorsement of their apathy.

by Anonymousreply 6June 24, 2022 7:52 PM

After J6, there is only one party that believes in the rule of law.

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by Anonymousreply 7June 24, 2022 7:58 PM

I agree. I think anyone expecting a "Blue Wave" is going to be highly disappointed. Mainly because the left refuses to admit this is what MILLIONS of people including millions of women actually want, and now they have it! You see, if you keep showing up to vote, you get to have things your way!

Naturally, I only had to scroll half a Twitter page before finding a tweet shrieking about how overturning Roe would mainly affect TRANS, QUEER, and BIPOC people! That ain't helping at all!

AOC and the Squad out in force blaming Democrats naturally, and Bernie doomsdaying November "unless we do something"! They are too cowardly to just take most of the blame for this. Of course the 40%-45% of women voters who vote GOP in every election couldn't possibly bear any blame, it's jus the "old white men" I keep reading!

Protesting means NOTHING! ONLY VOTING matters!

by Anonymousreply 8June 24, 2022 8:01 PM

Ultimately people only care about whatever issue ultimately that affects them in the moment and there narrow self interest. Down the road when their wives and daughters need and can't get abortions maybe they'll focus on it again, but for now it isn't on the radar for most people.

by Anonymousreply 9June 24, 2022 8:04 PM

R8 is correct

by Anonymousreply 10June 24, 2022 8:04 PM

Is this about abortion or is it about four scouts members who lied under oath. The corporate media won't ask the obvious questions.

by Anonymousreply 11June 24, 2022 8:06 PM

Scotus members who perjured themselves during their confirmation.

by Anonymousreply 12June 24, 2022 8:07 PM

The red states are already telling their citizens that resistance is futile because voting is pointless. I’ve been hearing all afternoon that the blue states are simply standing pat until the red states push for a national ban. There wouldn’t be red states if their women gave a shit about social issues. I doubt they would mind we’re they formally stripped of the vote. It seems an American’s life is one of quiet desperation.

by Anonymousreply 13June 24, 2022 8:10 PM

It's about lying under oath in order to be placed on the Supreme Court. This, along with the turn of events regarding Trump and minions nearly destroying our democracy, and the failure to reel in the gun lobby's influence over the courts and congress may be enough to finally move the right number of voters to the polls, or at the very least, their mailboxes.

by Anonymousreply 14June 24, 2022 8:13 PM

Way too defeatist. Republicans are the party of reaction now. They favor stands most Americans oppose. I think smart Democrats can make inroads in 2022 and 2024. The focus should be on independents and suburban women. This isn’t the time to think so negatively. Even Trump sees what a plus this will be for Dems.

by Anonymousreply 15June 24, 2022 8:16 PM

Lying is a sin. How do Christians reconcile lying under oath and perjuring themselves with their Christian faith?

by Anonymousreply 16June 24, 2022 8:16 PM

While reporting on this, a national news broadcast literally said that the Democrats failed to pass anything to protect abortion rights. No mention as to why it failed. You know, that ALL the Repugs were opposed. The same exact reason that inflation and gas price relief and gun control hasn't passed but, again, it is always reported without one mention of EVERY SINGLE FUCKING REPUG voting against all of these measures that help Americans.

I hope every single young lily white daughter of every single Repug motherfucker gets impregnated by the biggest, blackest thug in their vicinity. And, in the states without exceptions for rape and incest, I hope weird Uncle Freddy comes for visits really soon. Let's see how their mothers react then.

by Anonymousreply 17June 24, 2022 8:18 PM

The blue states need to start withholding our tax money from a federal government that does not represent us. Taxation without representation. Worked last time.

by Anonymousreply 18June 24, 2022 8:20 PM

Today, I'm directing the Department of Health and Human Services to ensure that medications like contraception and mifepristone are available to the fullest extent possible.

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by Anonymousreply 19June 24, 2022 8:21 PM

All the rich Repugs with knocked up daughters will put them on planes to NY. Abortion will only be illegal for poor women with no resources. Although kin of pols who outlawed abortions should not be allowed to get them in blue states. I wish there was a way to make that happen.

by Anonymousreply 20June 24, 2022 8:22 PM

I didn't know Roe was a lesbian who was paid to oppose abortion access until she died a few years ago and offered a deathbed confession.

by Anonymousreply 21June 24, 2022 8:24 PM

r17. That is what I mean. Corporate media is complicit in the US becoming a shithole.

by Anonymousreply 22June 24, 2022 8:28 PM

Is Biden to blame for higher gas prices? Drivers pay more in 93 countries

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by Anonymousreply 23June 24, 2022 8:32 PM

the experts ask how this ruling will help Democrats in the midterm election.

They don't ask why four scoutus members lied and perjured themselves when they stated Roe is codified during their confirmation hearing.

They don't ask if perjury is grounds for these justices removal.

by Anonymousreply 24June 24, 2022 8:43 PM

Beto

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by Anonymousreply 25June 24, 2022 8:51 PM

Trump says something to Justice Kennedy that shocks him. Something's up. (No sound)

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by Anonymousreply 26June 24, 2022 9:01 PM

that's a lie. it will help. don't believe the negative. vote democratic.

by Anonymousreply 27June 24, 2022 9:04 PM

I sort of agree with OP, but we'll see. Hopefully it light a fire.

by Anonymousreply 28June 24, 2022 9:06 PM

just the media trying to get democrats not to vote. don't fall for their bullshit! don't do it again! don't believe the media! they are in the pocket of the rich and politicians. DON'T BELIEVE THEM! VOTE DEMOCRATIC!

by Anonymousreply 29June 24, 2022 9:06 PM

[quote] Protesting means NOTHING! ONLY VOTING matters!

Fair enough, but it’s worth noting that Hillary got 3 million more votes than Trump did, but still Trump got elected, and managed to appoint enough conservative judges so that that the will of the majority is undermined. We have a political system that simply does not work at the moment.

by Anonymousreply 30June 24, 2022 9:10 PM

Most jobs will fire you if they find out you lied on your application. Goes double for estimable institutions, so how does SCOTUS nominees lying in hearings in front of Senate Judiciary Committee, which are essentially job interviews, not meet same criteria?

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by Anonymousreply 31June 24, 2022 9:35 PM

They. All. Lied.

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by Anonymousreply 32June 24, 2022 9:46 PM

When Susan Collins inevitably expresses astonishment that she was lied to, I think my head'll explode.

by Anonymousreply 33June 24, 2022 10:17 PM

An opinion piece by Susan Page means absolutely nothing. How long did it take you to find this contrarian nonsense?

by Anonymousreply 34June 24, 2022 10:21 PM

Yeah, like anyone really knows. Most polls are shit anyway, b/c who the fuck answers the phone with an unknown number?

by Anonymousreply 35June 24, 2022 10:35 PM

DL is absolutely swarming with MAGAT vermin today

by Anonymousreply 36June 24, 2022 10:39 PM

I’m listening to NPR live outside SCOTUS. The reporter commented that prochoice activists are saying they are disappointed at how few people are out there protesting, and that there seem to almost as many prolife activists out there. The reporter also said there are a lot of young women on the antiabortion side out there celebrating

by Anonymousreply 37June 24, 2022 11:41 PM

Maybe things will turn up after sundown, but so far, meh

by Anonymousreply 38June 24, 2022 11:52 PM

By November dozens of women will have died because they were denied an abortion, even though their life was in danger. Many more will have died or been seriously injured from back alley/self abortions. It won’t be a good look for Republicans.

by Anonymousreply 39June 25, 2022 12:07 AM

People in blue states might be up in arms about this decision, but people in red states that are outlawing abortion now are mostly in favor of today’s decision. Even purple states aren’t gonna turn blue because of this. The negative reaction is overwhelmingly concentrated in blue states

by Anonymousreply 40June 25, 2022 12:38 AM

news helicopters have been circling overhead for hours to record footage of the protests. It is an unsettling sound, its as if we live in a warzone. Corporate media is a cannibalistic whore.

by Anonymousreply 41June 25, 2022 12:41 AM

What else do you expect them to do?

by Anonymousreply 42June 25, 2022 12:45 AM

That dried up old Republicunt snatch of Susan Page is on full display yet again, I see. She is as Right Wing biased as you can get. And dumber than just about anybody else in media. Worse even than Andrea Mitchell, who at least tries to hide her conservatism when her senility allows.

by Anonymousreply 43June 25, 2022 1:00 AM

Let me ask the men on here a question. Even though you're gay, you have more insight into straight men than women probably do. So, what rights can we as a group start threatening to take away from straight men that would really make them understand? Would it be taking away contraception? Because, I guarantee that women aren't going to fuck them anymore without any contraception. Then, they'll probably just get even more rape-y than they already are. Outlawing viagra? Mandatory vasectomies at 12 that will only be reversed when they can prove in a court of law that they are financially able to support children? Outlawing sex outside marriage? If they are going to go after Lawrence, then we can criminalize their sex lives, too.

by Anonymousreply 44June 25, 2022 1:09 AM

THE DEMS NEED TO STOP TAKING THE HIGH ROAD!

THE GOP CUNTS ARE SUBHUMAN SOCIOPATHS!

They need to scare every apathetic young person and suburban mom with horror stories about back alley abortions, sodomy arrests, women whose psyches were ripped to shreds by being forced to have a baby.

Scare them into seeing they could be criminally investigated if they have a miscarriage.

Scare them by showing them this population explosion that could happen will need to millions of unwanted babies that have to be supported with welfare. Ask them who is paying for these orphans.

Scare them by showing them their right to pick up their birth control prescription at CVS is under jeopardy, and ask them if they trust their husbands and boyfriends to wear a condom and/or support a surprise baby.

Scare them into seeing their nice married gay interracial neighbor is about to have their marriage ripped apart by Samuel Fucking Alito.

Make sure they know Justice Long Dong Silver and his fat wife tried to overthrow the government on 1/6, that Amy Comey Barrett is living The Handmaids Tale in her own home, and remind them that Kavanagh is a rapist.

Remind them these assholes perjured themselves in front of Congress. Remind them these assholes are the people deciding the rights of all Americans, and this is only the beginning.

The Dems need to blast this horror show messaging In all forms of media, from billboards to talk show monologues.

These assholes need to be scared to get up off their lazy asses and stand in a goddamn line on Election Day to SAVE THE COUNTRY.

The GOP needs to be demonized. They aren’t our friends and neighbors who simply want lower taxes. They’re hypocritical monsters who want to control anyone who is isn’t a wealthy white Christian male.

by Anonymousreply 45June 25, 2022 1:12 AM

We are taking away their rights, r44. They were so threatened by the changing demographics of America and the dismantling of white dominance that this was the result. They will lose in the long term and be reviled, but in the long term? We’re all dead.

by Anonymousreply 46June 25, 2022 1:12 AM

[quote] So, what rights can we as a group start threatening to take away from straight men that would really make them understand?

If you want to threaten someone, it should be their pro-life wives, without whom there would be no pro-life movement.

by Anonymousreply 47June 25, 2022 1:15 AM

We need to get violent. It's the only thing they understand. We need to start killing them. There are more of us and we in the blue states have all the money and all the technology. We'll win, just like last time. This is the Civil War they are still fighting. We need to end it the way it should have ended the first time. Total annihilation of them, their way of life, and an end to any hope that they will ever, ever rise again.

by Anonymousreply 48June 25, 2022 1:18 AM

I think it could help. But Democrats need to run a completely different ticket in 2024. Biden and Harris are a losing ticket. Even Harris and Gavin Newsom would be a losing ticket. I hope they learn how to run electoral college winning candidates.

by Anonymousreply 49June 25, 2022 1:20 AM

[quote]I hope every single young lily white daughter of every single Repug motherfucker gets impregnated by the biggest, blackest thug in their vicinity. And, in the states without exceptions for rape and incest, I hope weird Uncle Freddy comes for visits really soon. Let's see how their mothers react then.

How charming. You do know that the rich have always had access to abortions, and always will, right?

by Anonymousreply 50June 25, 2022 1:21 AM

Are the concealed guns now for shooting pregnant women? The religious court is very dangerous.

by Anonymousreply 51June 25, 2022 1:22 AM

Maddow just noted conservatives plan to send a fetal personhood case to SCOTUS to make the Court say the Right to life in the womb is national

by Anonymousreply 52June 25, 2022 1:22 AM

How will this ruling impact Trans, Queer, and BIPOC? Abortion is not a trivial matter to keep pulling Trans and Queer people into this discussion is a grave injustice to women all around the world. It is deeply personal and emotional for the vast majority of women. Women mourn miscarriages as if they lost a child. Democrats for once I hope focus on women instead of calling them pregnant people etc. That is so demeaning and frankly disgusting. And gay men and trans should sit this one out but be silently supportive of women. By making it about them, they are erasing women.

by Anonymousreply 53June 25, 2022 1:24 AM

Congress may have to vote to shut down the Supreme Court and disbar justices. There is all kinds of case law on removing biased justices.

by Anonymousreply 54June 25, 2022 1:24 AM

R50, why are you assuming they are rich? It's the hillbillies and trailer trash and other various deplorables that are going to have issues but still continue to vote against their own interests because they are so fucking ignorant. Until it hits them square between the eyes, they are unable to understand it. So, let's hit them right between the eyes, one way or another.

by Anonymousreply 55June 25, 2022 1:25 AM

I think the article at OP has a point. If you live in a liberal area, nothing is going to change.

by Anonymousreply 56June 25, 2022 1:26 AM

[quote]We need to get violent. It's the only thing they understand. We need to start killing them.

This is somewhat valid by historical precedent. Targeted elite violence in 70s Germany, Italy, or Latin America (Red Brigades, Baader-Meinhof). The IRA and ETA made their points with Mountbatten/Brighton and Luis Carrero Blanco, the latter preventing Francoism from surviving Franco.

by Anonymousreply 57June 25, 2022 1:26 AM

Conservatives are also planning to ban pornography. No way this court will say you have a right to view pornography

by Anonymousreply 58June 25, 2022 1:29 AM

lol so on day 1 assholes like the opinion piece writer are already acting like this isn't a big deal

it's very simple. If women want to keep the right to abortion, they'll come out to vote for Democrats. If they don't care, then oh well say goodbye to that right.

As the months go by there will surely be some infamous cases of pregnant women dying as a result of this heinous ruling which should sustain public interest in making it an issue.

by Anonymousreply 59June 25, 2022 1:31 AM

R59, Democrats weren't focused on women. They were more worried about men who think they are women.

by Anonymousreply 60June 25, 2022 1:33 AM

They have really set off a powder keg. There will be more gun violence and more unwanted pregnancies. Then they will say those children should not get benefits. It’s really fascist. The next step will be to increase law and order to extremes.

by Anonymousreply 61June 25, 2022 1:33 AM

and if white women and young women are dumb enough not to vote for Democrats by a big margin in the midterms, they can kiss contraception goodbye too. I only feel bad for Democratic voters and people who would vote for Democrats but are ineligible.

Idiots who vote for repubs, 3rd parties or choose not to vote at all? Oh well they can lose all their rights

by Anonymousreply 62June 25, 2022 1:36 AM

It’s also.another sad week for American history. They are a very draconian group. And apparently it’s okay with them that someone can easily buy and carry a gun to shoot them. They are not deities so good luck with that.

by Anonymousreply 63June 25, 2022 1:41 AM

Condoms are considered contraceptives.

by Anonymousreply 64June 25, 2022 1:43 AM

the US is an embarrassment. Crazy backwards right wingers have brought such shame to our country and keep holding us back from our full potential

Most straight white Americans really have mental issues to keep voting for these fucks

we don't deserve to be a superpower anymore

if Democrats lose the midterms we deserve to turn into a third world shithole

by Anonymousreply 65June 25, 2022 1:45 AM

What’s the plan, Joe?

by Anonymousreply 66June 25, 2022 3:11 PM

The world of heterosexual is a sick and boring life!

by Anonymousreply 67June 25, 2022 4:04 PM

The fact that a lot of people just kinda don't like white women much anymore also isn't helping abortion activism.

by Anonymousreply 68June 25, 2022 4:10 PM

OP, I fear you are right. American's don't care about things unless their paycheck is involved. Sad, but true. I think social media, tv, the media, etc. are all too helpful in letting Americans "tune out".

by Anonymousreply 69June 25, 2022 4:13 PM

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by Anonymousreply 70June 25, 2022 4:13 PM

True r69

by Anonymousreply 71June 25, 2022 4:18 PM

[quote] American's don't care about things unless their paycheck is involved.

That’s funny to see that on the same site where people usually lament that people vote against their own self-interest (e.g. paycheck issues). Views here are fashioned to fit whatever the latest outrage is.

by Anonymousreply 72June 25, 2022 4:30 PM

I amend my concurrence. People care about the hot button social and cultural issues, but for Middle America, they care based on conservative framing and messaging

by Anonymousreply 73June 25, 2022 4:37 PM

Reality is a gut check to the impact of this decision.

Congressional districts have been gerrmandered to death by both parties. So this will likely increase turnout in deep blue districts, but in the many districts where Trump won by over 70% in 2020, it won't make a difference. In many of these districts there is no Democrat running--or it's someone with about $100 in funding because no one thinks they have a snowball's chance... the GOP does similar math in heavily blue districts and don't run candidates there

That said, there will be some gubernatorial races such as PA where it has strong impact, especially given that the GOP candidate there is a loon, so there is some hope.

by Anonymousreply 74June 26, 2022 12:06 PM

It's really sad that attempting to overthrow the government isn't enough to cause a blue wave.

Unbelievable.

by Anonymousreply 75June 26, 2022 1:04 PM

[quote] Crazy backwards right wingers have brought such shame to our country and keep holding us back from our full potential

Full potential? You mean this?

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by Anonymousreply 76June 26, 2022 1:20 PM

Or this?

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by Anonymousreply 77June 26, 2022 1:21 PM

The Dems will continue to lose because they have lost their direction and their minds. And the sane, rational voter is very much aware of it. See R76 R77 for examples.

by Anonymousreply 78June 26, 2022 1:24 PM

We will rejoice if fish go on a sex strike over this tempest in a teapot!

So many hot horny men (aka str8 guys) needing 'relief' and we are ready to provide it!

by Anonymousreply 79June 26, 2022 2:00 PM

[quote]The Dems will continue to lose because they have lost their direction and their minds

Compared to who, the Republicans???

by Anonymousreply 80June 26, 2022 2:04 PM

Anyone who believes there is any difference between democrats and republicans is a moron.

Both take their orders 100% from the owners of the NY Federal Reserve Bank.

by Anonymousreply 81June 26, 2022 2:06 PM

r81 chimes in right on time with "both sides are the same" bullshit to earn their troll rubles!

Of course there really are people this dumb naturally, and dollars to donuts they never vote and feel superior to those who do!

[quote]What’s the plan, Joe?

You are aware that the President has zero ability to change of affect this other than nominating more pro-choice justices when he can, right? The executive branch is not a court, nor a legislative job!

by Anonymousreply 82June 26, 2022 2:10 PM

R81 has "done their research" sheeple. Mock them all you want, but you will see....

by Anonymousreply 83June 26, 2022 2:11 PM

Magats= blocked.

Dems may be lost. Dems may have an incoherent message. But Dems do not show up with nooses at the capitol to kill cops when Dems lose elections.

by Anonymousreply 84June 26, 2022 2:12 PM

R84 has stated their boundaries!!

by Anonymousreply 85June 26, 2022 2:14 PM

R84 is correct

by Anonymousreply 86June 26, 2022 2:17 PM

[quote] The Dems will continue to lose because they have lost their direction and their minds

[quote] Compared to who, the Republicans???

Repubs have a platform and a direction. See the overturn of Roe v. Wade. Dems have no platform or direction. Other than childish whining and pejoratives. See your post.

And it's WHOM.

by Anonymousreply 87June 26, 2022 2:26 PM

The overturn of Roe is a betrayal of the oaths of the last three nominated justices who raised their hands and affirmed Roe as settled.

Perjury is no biggie for pukes.

Sedition ? NBD.

by Anonymousreply 88June 26, 2022 2:31 PM

We voted for Joe as a protest against Trump, now we're worse off. There will be a Republican back lash We unknowingly did it to ourselves.

by Anonymousreply 89June 26, 2022 2:32 PM

We are not worse off. Biden has appointed a record amount of federal judges

by Anonymousreply 90June 26, 2022 2:33 PM

R90 Tens of millions of women who have had their reproductive rights curtailed by the courts would strongly disagree with you.

by Anonymousreply 91June 26, 2022 2:36 PM

Who is we? Do you know we voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016, who won the popular vote even with low turnout and blatant voter suppression that I personally experienced?

Pukes don't win elections and haven't in over 20 years.

by Anonymousreply 92June 26, 2022 2:36 PM

Biden is not responsible for that Republican fascism. He is fighting it

by Anonymousreply 93June 26, 2022 2:37 PM

R1...I understand the intent of your comment, but it also indicates a flawed sense of what democracy is, the same flawed sense that Dems always accuse Reps of having, and that's the sense that democracy is only truly democracy if it moves in your favor. Wouldn't it be great if that's the way it always moved. But it doesn't. An essential component of democracy is that it moves in either direction, for or against. However, another essential part of democracy is GETTING OUT TO VOTE! This should be a time mobilize, to scrutinize who we're casting for, to dissect the true intents & motivations of the people we're choosing to represent us. We need to get back to voting for ideas & actual beneficial ethics, not simply for those who look or act like us. Democracy is alive & well, it's just not currently moving in the direction many of would like it to. Cynicism is not a choice--we need to be forward-thinking & proactive, we need to GET OUT TO INTELLIGENTLY VOTE!

by Anonymousreply 94June 26, 2022 2:46 PM

[quote]We need to get violent. It's the only thing they understand. We need to start killing them.

OK, R48. You start. Show us how it's done. Come back with a few kills under your belt and give us some hints and tips.

With the ruling on concealed carry, you're all set. Let us know how it goes.

by Anonymousreply 95June 26, 2022 2:49 PM

It won't help because democrats are fucking terrible at messaging. Not only that, they splinter off to support pet causes rather than coming together to fight for what matters in the big picture.

by Anonymousreply 96June 26, 2022 2:51 PM

[quote] It's really sad that attempting to overthrow the government isn't enough to cause a blue wave.

What Democrats should be concerned about is that despite that and everything they bring up about Republicans, millions of Americans compare the two parties and still determine that the Democratic Party is a worse choice. Democrats need to look at how bad they themselves must be for so many people to see the Republican Party as the better option.

by Anonymousreply 97June 26, 2022 2:51 PM

The message is we believe in the rule of law and you don't as January 6,2021 will forever remind us.

by Anonymousreply 98June 26, 2022 2:58 PM

I know a whore who had three abortions in her younger days and is so happy that Roe is overturned and was a big Trump supporter.

by Anonymousreply 99June 26, 2022 2:59 PM

Roe was a dyke who was paid by antiabortionists to recant. On her deathbed, she recanted again.

by Anonymousreply 100June 26, 2022 3:01 PM

R98 is a good example of what the Dems need to do.

They need to start calling a spade and spade and attacking the Republicans for what they've become.

They need to frame 22 and 24 as stark choices: what do you want to country to be, because there's nothing we can do if you elect the Republicans. Scare the shit (honestly) out of women, cities and suburbs. Leave corn country to its fantasy (though appear not to.)

They need to frame what will happen if the Republicans take control to put them on the defensive. The need to attack and laugh and mock and expose every Republican talking not with rebuttal, but with context: there you go again, trying to scare people into electing you to ignore the law to enrich yourselves and protect special interests that are nothing like real Americans. Take their language and turn it against them. The Republicans know how to wage political war but they haven't had to actually fight an election with a tough opponent in years.

They need to appeal to moderate Republican women - lend us your vote this once - to prevent ^.

And they need to do market research fast to identify four to six clear actions people want that Dems can deliver with the votes in the House and Senate. And they need to say: if you give us your vote, this is what you will get in return. )One of the ideas should be age limits for all elected officials and the judiciary.)

And they need to get an agreement with the Squad they will shut up with the public criticism of their own damned party through the end of 2024. AOC was blathering again today about how the communications so far have been demoralizing, unfocused nonsense. She's not wrong. But she needs to shut the fuck up undercutting the party, fight that fight in private, and get out there and say motivating things about going forward. She is such a child. She undercuts her own ability to make change because she won't adapt within the game to be able to make it.

No more poetry. Blunt, plain and practical.

by Anonymousreply 101June 26, 2022 3:10 PM

[quote]We voted for Joe as a protest against Trump, now we're worse off.

Yeah, you voted for Trump over Hillary and now we're worse off! 2016 was the fucking ballgame and you blew it!

Fucking stooges, bots, trolls and chaos agents, likely from The Sunrise Movement/Brand New Congress using the stupidity of the average AOC fan to suppress voting in November.

We see you.

by Anonymousreply 102June 26, 2022 3:31 PM

Disagree — the abortion fight has been a huge get-out-the-vote factor for republicans. HUGE. Millions of evangelicals have now got what they want.

Trump is the poster boy for everything evangelicals think is wrong with America, but they looked past all that because abortion. Now what?

by Anonymousreply 103June 26, 2022 3:47 PM

r102 I think the accelerationists that you mentioned are quietly enjoying these developments, thinking that the more the shit burns, the faster they'll get their student debt forgiven.

by Anonymousreply 104June 26, 2022 3:56 PM

Well R103, your forgot all those pesky gays still not being hunted down or put into camps. There is always a boogey man for the repigs to stoke fear over.

by Anonymousreply 105June 26, 2022 4:13 PM

This might actually help the democrats. I'm not with the negative nancy op. There are protest in DC already and if they are smart they will organize protests again in October next to election time. We must not lose the house for obvious reasons and if they can run on legislature to add abortion into Federal Law then people might come out and vote. This can help us hold the House when we were definitely going to lose it. They took a vote on this before Roe was appealed they know what commercial to make about which house republicans are against such legislation.

by Anonymousreply 106June 26, 2022 4:16 PM

The economy is always the most important issue and Republicans are offering no economic solutions.

We know that we have a polarized electorate. 1/2 of voters vote Republican and 1/2 vote Democratic. The fear is that Democrats won't turn out for the midterms. Therefore anything that energizes the Democratic base will increase turnout.

The media is never going to depart from its preprogrammed narratives. Obviously pretending that voters will ever say anything is more important than the economy is equally as stupid as pretending that Republicans have any economic solutions. Just like the media harps in the fact that the president's party normally looses seats during the midterms. They could also harp on the fact that the economy does worst under Republicans. Both are valid historical patterns.

Rather than educate the public about public policy. The media encourages the public's ignorance.

by Anonymousreply 107June 26, 2022 4:58 PM

1/3, dem, 1/3, puke. the other 3rd will not vote.

by Anonymousreply 108June 26, 2022 5:06 PM

I’m a fiscal conservative and social liberal who has voted for both sides but the dems are increasingly losing me….that said, if they opened up drilling for oil and general energy independence while the next phase of energy is developed, which is necessary in countless ways but current forms clearly not ready for prime time, they would have my vote in 22 and 24.

by Anonymousreply 109June 26, 2022 7:52 PM

So you are willing to lose rights in order to make more money. Gotcha.

by Anonymousreply 110June 26, 2022 8:19 PM

Why hasn’t Biden used the Defense Production Act to force the shuttered refineries back online and/or forcing agribusinesses to grow more crops and livestock for human consumption ? It would be popular and it would look like he’s doing something about inflation.

Because we are one category 4 hurricane away from $10/gallon gas this year, and if that happens-the Republicans will get huge wins in Congress.

by Anonymousreply 111June 26, 2022 8:31 PM

Won't help Democrats in the election? Is she fucking INSANE?

Who is that dumb and can still work a keyboard? This USA 50 Years Ago bitch is brain-dead.

by Anonymousreply 112June 26, 2022 8:34 PM

R109, I won’t beg for your vote, but could you maybe research this core issue of yours just a bit? We are energy independent, meaning we export more than we import.

It was the Obama administration that turned this around. Look at the history.

Oil companies have chosen not to increase production. They still feel burned by the bottoming out of the market in 2020 due to Covid.

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by Anonymousreply 113June 26, 2022 10:49 PM

[quote]I’m a fiscal conservative and social liberal...

Explain this. What pays for the social programs and support systems that a social liberal believes are part of a healthy society with the fiscally conservative anti-tax stance in place?

(I wrote this response earlier but primetime kicked in so it repeats some of what R113 says)

And, R109, you might want to actually, oh, I don't know, read up and get some facts. The oil companies have tons of unused permits right now. The price of oil isn't causing the high gas prices. It's the refineries that have been taken offline by the gas companies to get more profits for themselves. They have also moved to create jet fuel instead of automobile fuel because it makes them more money, too. The last time oil was at the price/barrel it is now gas cost about $3.50/gallon. We are energy independent ever since Obama's adminstration. What we aren't is corporate greed independent.

So, like I said, educate yourself because if you aren't a troll, you sure look like one.

by Anonymousreply 114June 27, 2022 12:16 AM

Ok, precious r109, we'll do what we can to win back the completely irrational and dropped on their heads like you!

by Anonymousreply 115June 27, 2022 1:15 AM

R23 Thanks such a relief to know that

by Anonymousreply 116June 27, 2022 1:18 AM

Asians don’t care.

Latinos are conservative on this.

No one in black pulpits mourned this today.

This is an old white woman thing.

And also guys who don’t want to pay child support.

The rest of us? Just trying to pay our bills.

by Anonymousreply 117June 27, 2022 2:30 AM

This will destroy the Republican libertarian brand. You know they’re claim to be the anti nanny state party. They’re the don’t tell us to wear masks party. What could be a bigger intrusion than forcing women to give birth. And you know gay marriage and contraception bans will be next. Even if you completely turned off by Dems and wokeness, Republicans return to theocracy is much worse.

by Anonymousreply 118June 27, 2022 3:01 AM

R48 we want to kill you too. SO freaking badly! If you think you outnumber the number of hunters in this country, then you're a fool. It will be a bloodbath and the women will be some of the most joyful participants.

by Anonymousreply 119June 27, 2022 3:30 AM

You gotta laugh at Republicans saying it was a great week for the 2nd Amendment and life. They don’t even realize what’s wrong with that sentence.

by Anonymousreply 120June 27, 2022 4:07 AM

R48 and R119 are either trolls or sociopaths or both. We see you, Boris 1 and Boris 2.

by Anonymousreply 121June 27, 2022 10:08 AM

Democrats are still not forcefully making the link between voting Republican and these horrible outcomes. They like to respond to these huge events with complicated, cerebral paragraphs that don’t land with Middle America. So politically inept

by Anonymousreply 122June 27, 2022 12:06 PM

Biden needs to tell the SC to fuck off. Obviously, he can't do that but maybe someone will slap Thomas. Roberts is a wimp and lets Thomas run the court. His legacy will be shit. Roberts didn't want this to happen because it was too jarring. The court has lost all respectability.

by Anonymousreply 123June 27, 2022 12:39 PM

No one has yet pointed out that forcing women to have babies they don't want will be terrible for the economy. It will push many women down into the lower class. They will be unable to go to college, get a decent paying job, afford a nice wardrobe and car, dinners out, vacations. Perhaps the fathers of these babies will likewise be affected financially though not as much. Health insurance premiums for businesses will soar. Having babies is expensive. Republicans won't like any of this. By hurting half the population of this country, they are hurting themselves. We'll all suffer together because of the stupidity and malice of a few.

by Anonymousreply 124June 27, 2022 12:48 PM

Do you know President Biden is in Europe right now for the G7 summit? Did you know Putin is not attending? Do you know Ukraine is bring considered for Nato membership and all of the G7 leadership have met privately with the Ukrainian president? Do you know the US have offered nearly a billion dollars in aid to the Ukraine?

Biden is stretched really thin right now.

by Anonymousreply 125June 27, 2022 1:19 PM

Only old white women care about this issue is as inaccurate and shortsighted a comment that can be made.

This is not about abortion, it is about the rule of law.

Magats don't give a fuck about she rule of law as J6 demonstrated.

These justices are undoing gay marriage rights.

Will you care then?

by Anonymousreply 126June 27, 2022 3:02 PM

[quote] No one has yet pointed out that forcing women to have babies they don't want will be terrible for the economy.

I can’t believe that women won’t start to use contraception as a result of all this. If women do that, they won’t have unwanted babies.

by Anonymousreply 127June 27, 2022 3:11 PM

Oh, yes they will have those babies, r127. Praise be!

by Anonymousreply 128June 27, 2022 3:31 PM

The Constitution Is Whatever the Right Wing Says It Is

The Supreme Court majority’s undead constitutionalism is transforming right-wing media tropes into law.

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by Anonymousreply 129June 27, 2022 3:31 PM

Magats don't give a fuck about babies, born or unborn.

They don't give a fuck about democracy or the rule of law.

They're contrarians who used the term "my body, my choice" to justify not wearing a face-mask during a pandemic.

by Anonymousreply 130June 27, 2022 3:35 PM

R126, if the "rule of law" was followed 50 years ago, abortion never would have been a constitutional issue under scrutiny in the first place. Because it isn't one. There is nothing in the constitution about abortion for or against, so the original ruling was counterfeit. The right to have an abortion (or not) was rightfully put back in the hands of each state legislature to govern. If you want the right to an abortion, live in a state that allows it.

by Anonymousreply 131June 27, 2022 3:42 PM

There is no constitutional right to an abortion under Roe or Casey, Simple. There is a right to due process and privacy (as an unenumerated right).

It’s extremely telling that you don’t say from whom the right to have an abortion was “rightfully put back.” The correct answer is American women.

by Anonymousreply 132June 27, 2022 3:46 PM

[quote]The Overturning of Roe will not greatly help Democrats in elections

I think it will help a little. Democrats will be more galvanized and energized to vote.

But it will not help with independents, even pro-choice independents. Democrats control the government right now. So they can’t really make the pitch of “vote for us and we’ll protect abortion” because people will rightly ask, “then why don’t you just do that now?”

by Anonymousreply 133June 27, 2022 3:47 PM

There is no constitutional right to gay union and the reversal of gay marriage is up next on magat agenda.

But interracial union doesn't need to be revisited, and guess why.

by Anonymousreply 134June 27, 2022 3:53 PM

r127, it is really not that easy to conceive. I truly believe that it's those without money/healthcare who have to resort to using condoms every time are the ones that will suffer. With idiot boyfriends telling them they will pull out, and to trust them. There is a shot that is 94% effective and NO work for you to do like the pill, the ring or the patch, which are also quite effective but you gotta remember shit. There are IUDs/LARCs that are 99% effective but you won't see women without means on this stuff.

This will effect only those on a low economic level. Those are going to be the women that are having unwanted pregnancies and living off the tax payer to help take care of them. More women with means will travel to blue states to have an abortion. This is what the right wants?

The entire narrative to keep contraception out of these women's hands is also idiotic. Because a small selection of religious zealots want you to procreate at every sexual congress, and want to deny women of having contraception options through their healthcare? Even the catholic school I went to had us putting condoms on cucumbers. Who is this that is anti-abortion and anti-contraception. Don't want abortions educate women about contraception and get them on it. Abstinence is not reality. Neither is waiting for marriage. Even married people use birth control because kids are fucking expensive.

by Anonymousreply 135June 27, 2022 3:57 PM

[quote]No one has yet pointed out that forcing women to have babies they don't want will be terrible for the economy. It will push many women down into the lower class.

Especially since Congress has not yet extended subsidies for the ACA.

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by Anonymousreply 136June 27, 2022 4:00 PM

Why are Democrats and liberals just realizing that the constitution is whatever the Supreme Court says it says? Republicans and conservatives have known this from the start, and accordingly, have made the court their highest priority. Meanwhile, Democrats and liberals still aren’t getting the memo that prioritizing the court year after year, election after election, is the only way any gains can be made and secured, and even then, it’s never fully secure. Democrats and liberals think that once you get a right secured, it is a right forever. Wake up liberals!

by Anonymousreply 137June 27, 2022 4:01 PM

This is not about abortion.

4 justices raised their hands and swore Roe as settled and then spent the last 18 months feverishly undoing the precedent.

Up next?

Gay marriage.

But not interracial marriage because, you know.

by Anonymousreply 138June 27, 2022 4:03 PM

Progressives have magical thinking that says precedents automatically last forever just because judges said it was the law at one point in time. No, it doesn’t work that way. Justices overrule precedent from time to time, and you best believe they overruled it based on their personal political philosophy. So, if you don’t prioritize courts, it’s your fault for snoozing while the other side understood the stakes and way courts work

by Anonymousreply 139June 27, 2022 4:04 PM

Did all four of them say Roe is settled law? I I just heard a prominent liberal legal scholar say they definitely did not bind themselves to affirming row during the confirmation hearings.

by Anonymousreply 140June 27, 2022 4:06 PM

“Settled law” doesn’t mean what some of you think

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by Anonymousreply 141June 27, 2022 4:10 PM

These justices were vetted through a congressional hearing. They swore Roe is settled, essentially perjuring themselves and in so doing violated a basic tenant of Christian faith.

Demolishing gay marriage rights in next up on their jihadists campaign.

by Anonymousreply 142June 27, 2022 4:11 PM

The Hill: At Judge Kavanaugh’s confirmation hearing, which gets underway today, you’ll hear buzzwords like “settled law,” the importance of “precedent,” and stare decisis — a Latin term meaning “to stand by things decided.” These terms are meant to sound reassuring — a commitment that a nominee won’t upend the status quo.

{mosads}But these phrases contain more lawyerly wiggle room than you might think. They are mainly descriptive. Like they were giving a legal lecture, nominees spend a great deal of time explaining what prior opinions decided, not whether they agree.

Here’s how to tell the difference between description and agreement. When Chief Justice John Roberts was asked during his 2006 confirmation whether he agreed with the Court’s decision in Griswold v. Connecticut, which protects the right of married couples to use contraception, he said, “I agree with the Griswold Court’s conclusion that marital privacy extends to contraception.”

That’s the type of answer that tells Senators and the public where the nominee stands. But when Roberts was asked whether the court was correct to reaffirm Roe in Planned Parenthood v. Casey, he declined to answer, saying he would not provide a “determination on my part whether this decision is correct or that decision is correct[.]”

What Chief Justice Roberts said about Roe was merely descriptive. Asked to explain what he meant when he previously called Roe “the settled law of the land,” he offered an indisputable fact: that Roe is “settled as a precedent of the Court, entitled to respect under principles of stare decisis.”

Similarly, at his confirmation, also in 2005, Justice Samuel Alito told us that he agreed with the Supreme Court’s recognition of the right to contraception but reverted to mere description about the court’s cases on abortion.

He said “I do agree that the Constitution protects a right to privacy” when asked about Griswold, and “I do agree with the result in Eisenstadt [v. Baird] “ — another landmark case protecting the right to use contraception.

When asked whether the right to abortion was “settled law,” Alito said that Roe is “an important precedent of the Supreme Court.” When pushed to elaborate, Alito replied: “If settled means that it can’t be re-examined, then that’s one thing,” but added that “settled’ simply means “that it is a precedent that is entitled to respect” — implying that Roe is precedent that can be re-examined. Which means it is hardly settled at all.

by Anonymousreply 143June 27, 2022 4:18 PM

Good explanation.

Remember that when gay marriage is unsettled.

by Anonymousreply 144June 27, 2022 4:21 PM

I consume a lot of conservative media (so you don't have to!) and let me just tell you that the idea that they are not coming next for gay marriage, or contraception, or same-sex relationships, is just nuts. The electeds just won't say it because they know it's unpopular

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by Anonymousreply 145June 27, 2022 5:35 PM

The first poll after Roe v. Wade was overturned is already out by Marist.

Democrats are now leading by 7% on generic congressional (48-41). Independents now swing D by 4% (41-37).

In April, Republicans were leading by 3% (43-47) with independents leaning R by 7% (38-45).

So these are 10% and 11% swings in D's favor. But, sure, let's go with Susan Page's feelings...

by Anonymousreply 146June 27, 2022 8:30 PM

I hope that is accurate and holds

by Anonymousreply 147June 27, 2022 9:36 PM

Well, if a single USAToday pundit makes a prediction to that effect, we can consider the entire matter forever settled!

Who even needs elections in November?

by Anonymousreply 148June 27, 2022 9:39 PM

I dunno

by Anonymousreply 149June 27, 2022 9:55 PM

[quote] The first poll after Roe v. Wade was overturned is already out by Marist.

We’ll have to wait to see how short-term a bump it is. Obviously, a poll taken on the day of and the day after is going to be different than a poll taken later after people have gone back to thinking about economic issues.

by Anonymousreply 150June 27, 2022 10:10 PM

Exactly. Americans are notorious for shorterm Reactions that don’t last more than a few days or weeks

by Anonymousreply 151June 27, 2022 10:19 PM

What will diffuse the current emotions the most is when people realize that abortion is still legal and available in the U.S. People in some states will have to travel farther than usual, but there is a huge difference between that and not being to get one anywhere.

If someone wants to say that poor people can’t travel, I assume you have never flown on Spirit.

by Anonymousreply 152June 27, 2022 10:41 PM

Dumb comment ⬆️

by Anonymousreply 153June 27, 2022 10:45 PM

R145 I also consume a lot of conservative media and I don't have that impression. The tradcons will always hate everything not white evangelical and the Catholic Latinos are not on board but are willing to live and let live much more than the tradcons. Nobody else cares, but that's not too say they would like up against gays for political expediency, xxx which thankfully doesn't exist right now.

by Anonymousreply 154June 27, 2022 11:20 PM

Translator please, R154.

by Anonymousreply 155June 27, 2022 11:23 PM

[quote]Why are Democrats and liberals just realizing that the constitution is whatever the Supreme Court says it says? Republicans and conservatives have known this from the start, and accordingly, have made the court their highest priority.

R137 Democrats have underestimated Republicans for so long, calling them all sorts of stupid, but they were the dumb ones in the end. 😂

by Anonymousreply 156June 27, 2022 11:23 PM

Sadly r156. Progressives tend to think conservatives are dumb, but history will view this era of progressives as very politically stupid. Conservatives have made fools of liberals

by Anonymousreply 157June 27, 2022 11:28 PM

I think this will matter and will sway votes. Will it be enough? Maybe not for gerrymandered districts, but at the state level senators may be in trouble.

by Anonymousreply 158June 27, 2022 11:28 PM

R137, this is particular puzzling because the left won so many enduring victories under the Warren Court in the '50s and '60s.

Conservatives were outraged by the school-prayer decision in 1962, as one example. They pushed back in various ways over the years but always failed because what SCOTUS says is the law. Period. Cultural conservatives remember that.

Leftists, especially cultural progressives, know almost nothing about actual, factual history (as opposed to who-oppressed-whom) and reject what they do know as irrelevant in the New Millennium. As much as anything else, that will be their downfall.

by Anonymousreply 159June 27, 2022 11:32 PM

The Democrats are still gullible and naïve if they can't connect the dots from the erosion of basic human rights to the tumbling of the economy. And they don't bother to vote on those rights issues.

Still stupid and short-sighted as always.

by Anonymousreply 160June 27, 2022 11:32 PM

Some of the political impact of the overturning will be blunted by "evolving" legislation in various red states. It was easy to vote for a trigger ban when Roe v Wade made the vote purely symbolic. Now, the votes means something. Some legislators will pull back from the edge either out of conscience or out of fear of opponents' ads showing sobbing women who were raped but couldn't get an abortion, sobbing women whose fetuses were horribly abnormal, etc.

The result will be, in many states, restrictions of various types but no outright ban ... which happens to be what the majority of public supports.

If progressives can turn this potential advantage into a disadvantage, they will do it by stubbornly insisting on no limits on abortion, which the public hates (because late-term abortion is repugnant).

by Anonymousreply 161June 27, 2022 11:38 PM

Progressives erroneously believed in the myth that legal precedent means something is forever the Law. Conservatives were smarter

by Anonymousreply 162June 27, 2022 11:41 PM

R161, the legislation being proposed so far is the exact opposite of what you are projecting. These are legislatures that have spent the last 30 years scheming to make an abortion nearly impossible for women in their states. For them, rehearsals are wrapping up. This is show time.

by Anonymousreply 163June 27, 2022 11:42 PM

Conservatives have been voting based on the courts since Nixon, and focused on building institutions that would posit the legal and cultural arguments they needed to undo social and cultural progress. They have had the zeal, determination, the commitment, and the long-term stamina and vision to get what they want

by Anonymousreply 164June 27, 2022 11:44 PM

R156 Let's be precise here:

The Republican leaders are smart. The voting base is stupid.

by Anonymousreply 165June 27, 2022 11:45 PM

We'll see, R163. Many members of the public, especially those who are not fanatics on either side of the issue, haven't paid much attention when outright bans were not possible because of Roe v Wade. I think the prospect of having this actually become law will be unpopular even in red states (especially in big states like Texas), and enough legislators will feel the pressure that substantial restrictions but not a 100% ban will end up being the law when the dust settles.

by Anonymousreply 166June 27, 2022 11:46 PM

Agree that we are in uncharted territory, r166. But even if they make exceptions, most of these states already gutted their provider networks with restrictions put in place after Casey. Whatever the law may be, women may still need to travel across the country.

Many of these women have never flown on plane or even been to another state. Taking the days off from work or family for the multiple appointments red states required was a huge burden.

It’s a very different country we will be living in.

by Anonymousreply 167June 27, 2022 11:51 PM

Susan Page is irresponsibly biased.

by Anonymousreply 168June 27, 2022 11:54 PM

If you haven’t been paying attention to how conservatives have been systematically restricting abortion access for at least a couple of decades now, then the fault lies with you and your movement. They shrewdly have been in enacting their game plan in plain sight for a long time now. they said they would

by Anonymousreply 169June 28, 2022 12:02 AM

a lot of states have already thrown huge roadblocks against abortion. Several have had only one abortion clinic for at least a few years now. So a lot of women have already had to travel to get abortions.

by Anonymousreply 170June 28, 2022 12:02 AM

[quote]Taking the days off from work or family for the multiple appointments red states required was a huge burden.

Getting an abortion, especially after 12 weeks or so, shouldn't be easy.

by Anonymousreply 171June 28, 2022 12:13 AM

I still marvel at how Trump openly and notoriously published a list of Heritage foundation in family research Council approves judges that he would a point when he was elected during the 2016 campaign, yet the media and progressive largely shrugged or ignored it. Moreover, during the 2016 campaign, Trump even stated that he would support imprisoning women who got abortions. Where was the outrage and counter galvination then? One thing that Democrats cannot credibly claim is that conservatives and Republicans surprised them on this matter.

by Anonymousreply 172June 28, 2022 12:27 AM

I still marvel at how Trump openly and notoriously published a list of Heritage Foundation and Family Research Council approved judges he would appoint when he was elected during the 2016 campaign, yet the media and progressives largely shrugged or ignored it.

by Anonymousreply 173June 28, 2022 12:39 AM

I'm gonna need Mrs. Alan Greenspan to Shut. The. FUCK. Up about the Roe decision.

The cunt was on air every day in 2015-16 cunting out on Hillary Clinton. She's such a fucking Mean Girl/inside the Beltway bitch.

by Anonymousreply 174June 28, 2022 12:39 AM

I keep seeing all these fervid exhortations to VOTE, but if you’re already registered, there is nothing you can do until November. It seems a little premature to try to get out the vote. By the time it is actually time the election comes around, people will be tired of these messages (or will have forgotten them).

by Anonymousreply 175June 28, 2022 1:14 AM

The Repugs have succeeded at the very few things they have succeeded in not by sytematic, smart planning but by FUCKING CHEATING. They started with Nixon, accelerated with Reagan, and blew it all up when they stole the election for Dubya. They are not smart. They are cheating pieces of shit.

by Anonymousreply 176June 28, 2022 4:25 AM

For the vast majority of Americans there are far more important and impactful things in life than Roe versus Wade

by Anonymousreply 177June 28, 2022 6:37 AM

Dems are too spineless to bring impeachment charges for justices who lied under oath. At the very least Dems should push for disbarment of these justices.

by Anonymousreply 178June 28, 2022 6:44 AM

I'm aware that this thread exists to troll, but unless you're willing to put numbers to "greatly help," your prediction is useless. "Greatly help" could mean anything.

If you want to prognosticate, you need to be brittle.

by Anonymousreply 179June 28, 2022 6:51 AM

They didn’t lie under oath. You just don’t understand what settled precedent means.

by Anonymousreply 180June 28, 2022 12:33 PM

Ummm, I am lawyer. I think someone here doesn't understand stare decisis.

by Anonymousreply 181June 28, 2022 5:13 PM

A lawyer. Sorry for typo.

by Anonymousreply 182June 28, 2022 5:18 PM

Generic Ballot (National) Rep 45% Dem 40% 6/25-6/28 by YouGov (B+) 776 LV

by Anonymousreply 183June 29, 2022 2:39 PM

2018 vs 2022 Primary Turnout:

(+- vs 2018 Midterm Elections)

NY - GOP: +102%, Dem +81%

IL - GOP: +15%, Dem: -18%

OK - GOP: -29%, Dem: -58%

CO - GOP: +19%, Dem: -29%

25 STATES TURNOUT Republicans: +26% Democrats: -4%

✅ Net Difference: GOP +30%

Data from @WinWithJMC

by Anonymousreply 184June 29, 2022 2:53 PM

R184, numbers can be caused by all kinds of weirdness. For example, in Illinois, on the Democrat's side, there were almost no competitive primaries this year. The governor is a lock, as were most of the state level offices. On the Repug side, however, there was a huge battle in the governor's primary race. It's been going on forfuckingever. Also, no Chicago mayor's race to up the Dem turnout.

by Anonymousreply 185June 29, 2022 3:16 PM

They did not lie, they danced.

by Anonymousreply 186June 29, 2022 5:40 PM

Yes, they evade. That’s what all judicial nominees do. But anions paying attention, knew they would overrule Roe. Trump nominees were off a preapproved Heritage Foundation list of judges. Trump said he would only nominate prolife judges off that list. Why didn’t liberals believe him?

by Anonymousreply 187June 29, 2022 5:52 PM

Generic Ballot (National) Dem 39% Rep 32% 6/24-6/27 by YouGov (B+) 1630

Generic Ballot (National) Rep 48% Dem 45% 6/16-6/17 by Cygnal (B+) 5753 LV

Generic Ballot (National) Rep 49% Dem 40% 6/20-6/23 by Trafalgar Group (A-) 1079 LV NOTE: partisan (R) poll

Generic Ballot (National) Dem 45% Rep 42% 6/24-6/25 by Morning Consult (B) 2005 RV

Generic Ballot (National) Dem 48% Rep 41% 6/24-6/25 by Marist College (A) 868 RV

Generic Ballot (National) Rep 48% Dem 40% 6/19-6/23 by Rasmussen Reports/Pulse Opinion Research (B) 2500 LV

by Anonymousreply 188June 29, 2022 8:02 PM

R188, it's hilarious that the two known Repug polling organizations, Rasmussen and Trafalgar, are so skewed.

by Anonymousreply 189June 29, 2022 8:10 PM

Voting out Democrats and completely tying Joe Biden's hands to pass anything will not make inflation go away or lower gas prices.

Voting out a Democrat in California or Illinois will not stop AOC or the squad (not that I think they need stopped), they are in safe districts.

Voting out Democrats will mean no more liberal or moderate judges appointed to the bench. Mitch McConnell will hold all nominations if he is majority leader like he did the final two years of Obama.

Voting for any Republican will reward a party that tried to overturn a free and fair election.

Same thing for sitting out an election because Democrats haven't delivered on every promise, you want them to deliver, give them more than a one vote majority.

by Anonymousreply 190June 29, 2022 8:12 PM

R188 3 of those polls are from before Roe was struck down on 6/24.

by Anonymousreply 191June 29, 2022 8:26 PM

New Quinnipiac poll - Georgia

Senate Warnock (D) 54% Walker (R) 44%

Governor Kemp (R) 48% Abrams (D) 48%

by Anonymousreply 192June 29, 2022 11:46 PM

Go Stacey!!!!

I really hope the large black populations in the Southern states finally show their full force in the electorate in their states.

by Anonymousreply 193June 29, 2022 11:52 PM

Democrats are notorious for not showing up for mid-term elections, anything that motivates them to show up is a plus.

by Anonymousreply 194June 30, 2022 1:05 PM

Women are angry that they have to cut down on their promiscuity.

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by Anonymousreply 195June 30, 2022 4:44 PM

The Dems had several times to codify Roe, but they didn't because it's a nice carrot to dangle in the face of their constituents. We vote to protect Roe, they don't protect roe, and instead they pass economic laws that benefit their corporate donors. It's sick. The establishment refuses to primary Dems like Manchin and Sinema, and instead Pelosi is campaigning for pro-lifer Henry Cuellar. How is he going to vote on a bill that codifies Roe? There is really no point in voting. Biden in office is doing just as much damage if not more than another 4 years of Trump.

by Anonymousreply 196June 30, 2022 4:58 PM

Try harder, r196.

by Anonymousreply 197June 30, 2022 5:00 PM

Fuck off, R196, you lying troll.

by Anonymousreply 198June 30, 2022 5:01 PM

No r196. Until recently, Democrats had a significant minority of Prolife Congressmen, at least up to 2012 or so. By the time Democrats had a nearly unanimous prochoice delegation, they no longer Had majority control.

by Anonymousreply 199June 30, 2022 5:08 PM

I believe - in hindsight - the Democrats were negligent in not codifying Roe - if and when they had majorities in both houses previously. I've also come to believe several nominees to the SC lied deftly about their intentions. No one believed it would come to this. Movies and thrillers have spring to life in the last few weeks. You'd have been thought paranoid to think all the shit that has happened would happen because at the root of it these decisions wilfully defy logic, fairness and morality. What's happening is unbelievable.

by Anonymousreply 200June 30, 2022 5:19 PM

[quote]I've also come to believe several nominees to the SC lied deftly about their intentions

Nothing gets past you, r200.

by Anonymousreply 201June 30, 2022 5:29 PM

You're so funny, R201. Shouldn't you be resting before tonight's show?

by Anonymousreply 202June 30, 2022 5:31 PM

R199 The Republicans have made it so that if you are pro-choice, or pro gun control, you cannot win a Republican seat. Why couldn't the Dems do the same thing? Anti-choice Democrat should be an oxymoron, and party leaders should've enforced that. If there were any anti-choice members who were planning on stepping in the way of codifying Roe, they should've been "handled" the same way McConnell handles the republicans who won't play along. Threaten the shit out of them and make the rest of their career in DC hell.

by Anonymousreply 203June 30, 2022 7:21 PM

R203, Republicans have successfully galvanized and indoctrinated conservatives to adopt their entire rightwing agenda. They have radicalized about a third of Americans. Democrats have not been committed to inculcating a strict party line dogma amongst liberals and left leaning Americans. Additionally, liberalism is still stigmatized in AMerica

by Anonymousreply 204June 30, 2022 11:57 PM

R204 What are you talking about? Why are you making excuses for poor party leadership? Legal abortions are popular with 70% of Americans. Liberalism isn't "stigmatized". There are so many policies that almost everyone in the party is on board with. Cuellar, Manchin, and Sinema, etc are fringe Democrats who have nothing in common with the majority of Americans, let alone Democratic voters. It is in the interest of the party to get them OUT, and elect candidates that actually share party values. The party members shouldn't be disagreeing about "what" we want, we should be disagreeing on "how" we get what we want.

by Anonymousreply 205July 1, 2022 1:31 AM

The liberal label certainly is stigmatized

by Anonymousreply 206July 1, 2022 1:34 AM

Democrats need to understand that popular policies have not translated into political success. Gerrymandering and the urban/rural political divide take a toll, but so does the fact that Americans vote for the person and not the policy. And once Democrats try to implement a popular policy, the Republicans have proven experts at turning them into political liabilities. Time and time and time again, but Democrats like r205 keep swinging.

by Anonymousreply 207July 1, 2022 1:37 AM

[quote]Asians don’t care. Latinos are conservative on this. No one in black pulpits mourned this today. This is an old white woman thing. And also guys who don’t want to pay child support. The rest of us? Just trying to pay our bills.

Tell me you don't know a single POC without telling me you don't know a single POC.

by Anonymousreply 208July 1, 2022 1:44 AM

Indeed

by Anonymousreply 209July 1, 2022 10:46 AM

A Democratic pollster is on CSPAN right now. She says she doesn’t think the Donna decision will help Democrats much in the outcome because voters are still primarily thinking about gas prices and inflation. She also said that voters have very complex views on abortion wherein most identify as prochoice but simultaneously want more restrictions on abortion and feel Democrats are too liberal on abortion.

by Anonymousreply 210July 3, 2022 12:16 PM

A Democratic pollster is on CSPAN right now. She says she doesn’t think the Donna decision will help Democrats much in the outcome because voters are still primarily thinking about gas prices and inflation. She also said that voters have very complex views on abortion wherein most identify as prochoice but simultaneously want more restrictions on abortion and feel Democrats are too liberal on abortion.

by Anonymousreply 211July 3, 2022 12:19 PM

Listening to callers on CSPAN, I can see how American voters are so duped and swayed by Republican noise. They are regurgitating Republican talking points like robots. The Democratic message is not Landing

by Anonymousreply 212July 3, 2022 12:38 PM

this is a world wide problem

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by Anonymousreply 213July 3, 2022 2:35 PM

Did she manage to avoid saying "women" during the entire speech? Does anyone have a full transcript?

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by Anonymousreply 214July 3, 2022 2:52 PM

Health care is such a limp frame for it. It's taking away women's rights.

by Anonymousreply 215July 3, 2022 2:56 PM

[quote] The Democratic message is not Landing

They just need a lot more lipstick on their pig?

by Anonymousreply 216July 3, 2022 3:11 PM

[quote]The Democratic message is not Landing

Even worse: I think it is landing. And it's not thrilling people.

by Anonymousreply 217July 3, 2022 3:14 PM

Is there a Democratic message? I feel like I hardly hear anything. Pelosi came out the other day - I am not fan of hers because she's been around too long - but she came out with a list of legislative actions they are taking (I gather soon) to force Republicans to show their hand by voting against. So that's good.

But it seems to me the Dems not only have to respond but be seen to be responding. There should be working groups meeting (and photographed) to develop the strategy from the White House and cabinet, the Senate, the House. Each meeting should be a photo op to drive a message. My only hope is the Democrats are waiting until after Labor Day to mount an effective public outreach campaign. Moving people from worried about the economy to voting down Republicans can happen but it's going to take a fuck of a lot of work, passion, bluntness and co-ordination.

by Anonymousreply 218July 3, 2022 3:20 PM

the rule of law and the peaceful transition of power is SO not thrilling.

by Anonymousreply 219July 3, 2022 3:34 PM

Where is that list? That list doesn’t mean a hill of beans if it can’t be distilled into a marketable message to the masses

by Anonymousreply 220July 3, 2022 3:35 PM

[quote] she came out with a list of legislative actions they are taking (I gather soon) to force Republicans to show their hand by voting against. So that's good.

Yes, if she can’t do anything about the runaway inflation harming most Americans, a set of show votes will make up for it.

by Anonymousreply 221July 3, 2022 3:37 PM

R220, read about it in WaPo. Link to Pelosi's letter:

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by Anonymousreply 222July 3, 2022 3:39 PM

[quote]the rule of law and the peaceful transition of power is SO not thrilling.

Yeah, I'm not a fan, like [italic]Roe v Wade[/italic], they've been around too long!

by Anonymousreply 223July 4, 2022 2:57 AM

Here's the thing, either women grow a pair, demand their own autonomy, or they don't. They are after all the majority of citizens and majority of voters, so however it turns out it is because it is really what women have decided they want!

I'm already not feeling bad about any woman, or her inconvenience over this! If you don't like it try to work on getting OTHER WOMEN to quit voting against women! Problem solved!

See? The math wasn't hard!

by Anonymousreply 224July 4, 2022 3:01 AM

Generic Ballot (National)

Dem 45% Rep 44%

7/14-7/18 by Quinnipiac University (A-) 1367 RV

Arf! Did I do a good job?

Poll #158186 #ElectionTwitter

by Anonymousreply 225July 21, 2022 1:28 AM

Cut off water and power to Washington don't let any of them out. worthless eaters playing court games should starve.

by Anonymousreply 226July 21, 2022 1:43 AM

r225 As suspected, it's tightening again. Yeah, Roe won't even be on the radar anymore three months from now.

by Anonymousreply 227July 21, 2022 1:48 AM

Some polls have Republicans ahead in the generic ballot

by Anonymousreply 228July 21, 2022 1:52 AM

What will help the Dems is running ads talking about the Republicans blocking legislation to stop price gouging. And a whole lot of other things. The GOP has a fucking record. And their candidates are horrible people. Hershel Fucking Walker? That's what they need to talk about. And Gun Safety and the Environment.

by Anonymousreply 229July 21, 2022 2:10 AM

Bare with me on this one it's going to take some non linear nor literal leaps of mind. This could be totally wrong and i'm just imagineing a pattern that isn't there. I'm going to show why this question may not matter much. This all could be solved if a minority could be prevented for ruling. As democracy is the myth we live by. I will make a comparison for the sake of illustration. the supremes are using the tricks of the Aztec priests who sacrifice the best and brightest to appease the Sun god or the rain god. At it's surface we say ohh thats ridiculous. They were savages. But like the Aztec sacrificing kids or virgins for rain or crops, the act is really designed to illustrate a lager point. That point is that we are subordinate to power and it doesn't matter what we think. That explains the "Leak." They used the Media bullhorn to the max like the pyramid to cast the message far and wide.They are getting power by showing power. If Americans don't oppose this and it is let stand that some states have abortion and others not they have split the country into opposing factions. Why would they do that. Are they trying to divide us for their own purposes I would say yes. I would say the supremes are facilitating keeping a minority in charge. D or R its minority rule.

by Anonymousreply 230July 21, 2022 3:05 PM

R230, you could have taken all that bullshit you wrote and simply typed apartheid rule.

Texas is gearing up in multiple lawsuits winding through the courts eliminating marriage equality and sodomy laws.

North Carolina is gearing up laws that punish anyone from providing information, regardless if it's a YouTube video, call, website, email, etc... that provides information on abortion rights.

by Anonymousreply 231July 23, 2022 2:49 PM

If even Ruth Bader Ginsburg could admit Roe was decided on a very shaky legal premise why should anybody be surprised it fell?

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by Anonymousreply 232July 23, 2022 3:15 PM

R231, you exposed yourself as not knowing the difference Between North Carolina and South Carolina. Do better dude.

by Anonymousreply 233July 23, 2022 3:29 PM

Generic Ballot (National)

Rep 45% Dem 44%

7/19-7/20 by Emerson College (A-) 1078 RV

by Anonymousreply 234July 25, 2022 12:24 PM

Hey OP, how does it feel to be wrong in literally every way?

by Anonymousreply 235November 14, 2022 4:22 PM

Reading back the old comments of this thread is satisfying. How wrong you were!

by Anonymousreply 236November 14, 2022 4:28 PM

What sweet summer children we all were

by Anonymousreply 237November 14, 2022 4:32 PM

What does the old crystal ball have lined up for us next, OP?

by Anonymousreply 238November 14, 2022 4:37 PM

Ha! This is so delicious it must be fattening.

by Anonymousreply 239November 14, 2022 4:38 PM
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