Roe and Casey are Overruled

We knew this was coming, but now that it’s happened it seems quite unbelievable.

5-4 decision, looks very similar to what was leaked earlier.

6-3 ruling

Get used to seeing 6-3 a lot in the coming years. We're going to lose a lot more rights than we have in the last couple of days, I'm afraid.

No, it wasn't 5-4, it was 6-3. Roberts joined the rest of the far-right conservative activist judges on this one.

Our country is over.

First news article I could find.

Joyce Vance just said on MSNBC that "this is a very dark day in America." I agree.

Roberts concurred in part, not in full, that's why it's 5-4. Or 5-3-1, if you prefer.

Kavanaugh and Barrett are likely to be assassinated.

Roe and Casey are overruled. I’ve been waiting so long for this to happen. It still doesn’t feel real.

The news is saying 6-3. Until I see 5-3-1 or 5-4, I'm going with 6-3.

[quote]The Supreme Court has voted to overturn the landmark 1973 Roe v. Wade decision that legalized abortion nationwide. The case, Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization, was decided by a 6-3 margin with Justices Breyer, Sotomayor and Kagan dissenting.

FUck

Clarence Thomas writes that the Court should also "reconsider" Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell.

I’m not a violent person, but I hope that there is a violent uprising over this. Fuck these old white men (I’m including Clarence Thomas).

The number one concern: how will this affect trans men birthing persons?

[quote]The news is saying 6-3. Until I see 5-3-1 or 5-4, I'm going with 6-3.

"The court voted along ideological lines, 6-3 to uphold Mississippi’s ban after 15 weeks of pregnancy, and 5-4 to go further and explicitly overturn Roe and the constitutional right it established."

We're finished from a legal POV. State v state. The judicial system of OK, say, going after a citizen of CA, should a Cali help and Okie get an abortions.

Just a total nightmare.

We should really just split as a nation now.

R15 are you promoting an iNsUrRecTioN aGaInST dEmOcRaCY?

The Supreme Court is an outdated branch of government and should be limited to rulings on international and interstate matters. The ultimate arbiter should be a state’s Supreme Court.

Time for the US to split up. This is no longer sustainable. The new Confederacy of Dunces can secede - and visit us to escape their Puritanical, hypocritical fascist state.

The minority in this country rules us all now.

I’m speechless

VOTE!!!! And vote for every Democrat up and down the ballot. Reproductive rights have to be constitutionally enshrined. The great majority of Americans support the right to abortion. They deserve representation that will reflect their will, not the depraved foolishness of the Christian minority.

Secession is today's troll talking point, I see.

Trolls hoping to use this to spur on a civil war. Fantastic.

We need to take names and kick some ass.

Next up gay marriage and who knows what.

That orange shitstain really fucked this country good (along with McConnell, etc)

Gay marriage is next

Fuck this country, I’m over this bullshit.

Gay marriage is next

Welcome to the United States of Gilead.

R28 I worry about that too.

Elekshuns have consikwenses

[quote][R15] are you promoting an iNsUrRecTioN aGaInST dEmOcRaCY?

This isn't a democracy. The 6-3 Supreme Court is not representative of the ideological makeup of the population. Mitch McConnell stole a Supreme Court seat for Republicans.

[quote]Clarence Thomas writes that the Court should also "reconsider" Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell.

Which we all knew was coming.

We knew this ruling on Dobbs was coming, too. Who is truly surprised? This was leaked weeks ago.

The lesson here is that you don't listen to trolls, Republicans, or assholes, and you get off your lazy asses and vote for the Democrat, even if you just don't like them.

That Justice Thomas concurring language is ominous as fuck. Not surprising, but still.

The lesson here is Republicans had a 50 year, long term plan to take over the judiciary while Democrats sat back and did nothing. Now the SC is in the hands of conservatives for the next 40 or more years. What is voting going to do about that? Democrats dropped the ball and didn't think strategically and now here we are.

After 50-55 years of hyperliberalism, America has realized it prefers conservatism.

Expect a return to ultraconservatism in the coming decades.

Thomas:

"For that reason, in future cases, we should reconsider all of this Court’s substantive due process precedents, including Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell. Because any substantive due process decision is “demonstrably erroneous,” we have a duty to “correct the error” established in those precedents."

You're soaking in it, Bernbots.

I told you we need blood in the streets, I said it before, there will no change without blood being spilled. Their bible want Armageddon. I hope the the first blood is the blood of those illegitimate, so called judges.

Lawrence. Obergefell is gay marriage, which, obviously, is a massive right that no one wants overturned. But Lawrence is essentially gay sex, gay relationships

[quote]The lesson here is Republicans had a 50 year, long term plan to take over the judiciary while Democrats sat back and did nothing. Now the SC is in the hands of conservatives for the next 40 or more years. What is voting going to do about that? Democrats dropped the ball and didn't think strategically and now here we are.

Democrats like Biden and Pelosi have been in government for 50 years. What voting can do is get rid of these 80 year old do-nothing dinosaurs...and replace them with people who do have a plan.

Women are going to start executing Trannys who open their stupid fucking mouths aiming to erase them. No more birthing persons, no more chest feeding, no more penises in women’s restrooms and locker rooms, no more taking scholarships away from young girls, etc. Gays are next.

R42 Correct. Nobody ever had gay sex before 2003.

[quote]The Supreme Court is an outdated branch of government and should be limited to rulings on international and interstate matters. The ultimate arbiter should be a state’s Supreme Court.

Don't blame SCOTUS for a bunch of dumb asses who decided to stay home or who couldn't get over their shit in 2016. Put the blame where it truly lies.

A dark, ominous day. The dire consequences of this will reverberate for years to come.

Of course, Hillary was right.

13 states have trigger laws that go into effect now — or will go into effect very quickly — that will ban abortion:

Arkansas, Idaho, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, and Wyoming.

People had gay sex but it was still illegal in many states. You just kept it quiet.

The Repugs are very effective in turning off the Democrat voters, making it feel like their votes wouldn't count and creating obstacles to voting. Above all, the Democrats are eating their own and nitpicking their candidates. Good, now the Democrat is the party of powerless losers.

[quote]After 50-55 years of hyperliberalism, America has realized it prefers conservatism.

for only perhaps three years during the great depression has the US ever experienced so-called "hyper liberalism" bunky. go garrote yourself with a coat hanger, bunky

[quote] [R42] Correct. Nobody ever had gay sex before 2003.

Yes, they had sex...under penalty of imprisonment.

Of course gays are next. This was just their testing ground. Gays are the main target.

R42 makes no sense.

R46 is right. Every pro-choice person who voted for Stein, or Trump (and yes there are those who did), or didn't vote in 2016, this is on you.

Why would you need a civil war, R25? Surely nobody wants to stop the South seceding nowadays?

I love how the decision opens by stating RvW as a moral question, then proceeds to determine it based on picayune points of constitutional law. They don't have the guts to come out and say, "We're deciding it based on our morality, even though we know that is different from that of the majority of Americans." Instead there's that crap about "returning the decision to the people and their representatives", ie the State legislatures. Thanks, Pontius. Here's some hand sanitizer.

There are states where it will remain legal, like NY, NJ, PA, CA, OR etc.

This country is such a shithole and all the women that voted for Trump should go to hell for being so fucking stupid.

You can thank the extremists on both sides for this.

This is what happens when extremists gain power. Extremists on the other side feel emboldened to "fight back". Moderates are shouted down by the crazies and "de-platformed" by the craven panderers.

How can Democrats who just yesterday proposed regs to completely gut the meaning of Title IX and its protection of WOMEN in sports be respected as a protector of women's rights?

When clowns are given power this is what you get? More clowns just with a different political bent.

Now the ACLU and Planned Parenthood - both of whom have been throwing women under the bus and undermining our respect and power for years - will pretend they support women but in reality will just be using this and us to raise money. Will they even use the word WOMAN?

I am sick to my stomach and find it hard to watch what I and other women fought for dismantled by the fucking fools with power in this country.

Fuck them all.

R56 Why did you leave out IL? Illinois will always be a blue state because of Chicago.

There are women celebrating this

Clarence Thomas writes, in a concurring opinion, that the Supreme Court should reconsider Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell — the rulings that now protect contraception, same-sex relationships, and same-sex marriage.

[quote]Of course, Hillary was right.

Except about how to win an election.

What a glorious day! People's heads are exploding, and I've brought my popcorn.

I’m sure Susie Sarandon is proud.

We've arrived at whatever you want to call this awful place that is a roadway to theocracy and autocracy. I get it - people want to be hopeful, people compartmentalize for their own sanity, and people normalize. So, it's always that we're not quite there. We're there.

I’m out of here

It will be very interesting to see the fallout from this.

Will women be energized and vote against Republicans, really punish them for this.

Or will women in blue states figure it only effects dumb Southerners, so who cares.

Will companies stop relocating to places like Texas?

And what happens in places like Florida, where the population is not particularly "Christian" in the Southern Baptist sense

I hope all those Generation Z cunts celebrating at the SC on TV get drunk, date-raped and impregnated. I am deadly serious. Americans lack empathy, compassion and reasonable judgment. Something awful has to happen to them personally before they see the light.

This is an issue that moderate voters care about and gets them to the polls. This is what Democrats should be talking about from now until November. Instead, they'll make everything about Trannies and Blacks like they alway do.

Total bullshit. The principle of taking away a right the Court has previously been assured/granted? Never happened in history. Gay stuff? Of course, gone under this principle. But more: Birth control? Gone. Inter-racial marriage? Gone. Pornography? Illegal.

Republicans here and elsewhere: Oh, that will never happen. Right.

We've turned into the Darkness and (sadly, sadly) that is not histrionic overstatement, it's simple description.

[quote]There are states where it will remain legal, like NY, NJ, PA, CA, OR etc.

Yes, so poverty-stricken 13 year olds in Alabama who get raped just have to make their way to one of those states.

[quote]I hope all those Generation Z cunts celebrating at the SC on TV get drunk, date-raped and impregnated.

where is that?

The Republican plan was not conceived of 50 years ago. It happened piecemeal, over the years, beginning with the success of Nixon pandering to racists and breaking quite a few laws to win the election, and a few after he won, as well. They got away with it relatively unscathed, so they expanded to using dim, feckless figureheads as a distraction while committing their crimes, and getting away with it on the rare occasion they were caught (see: Iran-Contra; Weapons of Mass Destruction).

The problem has always been that our system does not have the capability of stopping an entire political party's long-term criminal undertakings. The GOP's crimes and malfeasances are so vast that the system can't handle it, and no one has ever really tried that hard. When we did once manage to get the criminal Nixon out of the White House, people got fed up and checked out of politics altogether, tired of the corruption, but in doing so, they made it even easier for the corruption to flourish.

It's an enormous, systemic problem, and one that I don't think can be fixed. I think all the stories we learned in History about corruption back in the 1800s just gave us a false sense of "that was then, this is now," when the truth is that it's just as bad now as it was during, say, Teapot Dome.

[quote]We've turned into the Darkness and (sadly, sadly) that is not histrionic overstatement, it's simple description.

and ignorance

[quote]R38: After 50-55 years of hyperliberalism, America has realized it prefers conservatism.

This ruling has nothing whatsoever to do with what 'America' prefers. It's the tyranny of a minority.

[quote]R38: Expect a return to ultraconservatism in the coming decades.

We've never been 'ultraconservative' before.

[quote]R46: Don't blame SCOTUS for a bunch of dumb asses who decided to stay home or who couldn't get over their shit in 2016. Put the blame where it truly lies.

Ultimately, Russia - for swinging the presidency to Trump in 2016, and allowing him to pack the SC with three more conservative lunatics. If that hadn't happened, conservative Christians' goal would still have been decades in the distance, if ever.

[quote]R58: You can thank the extremists on both sides for this.

You can jam that "both sides" shit up your ass, R58.

All democratic states need to just ignore the decision, just like NY should just ignore the gun control ruling. What can they do, send in the military? I would not piss off NY or California, they support most of the US. These two rulings are the beginning of the end of the country.

They’ll be coming after gay marriage next.

r73, the GOP is a terrorist organization

Truly, we have become too large and diverse to be one nation. Divide the US into 5 different countries with only a common military and currency. Our constitution is outdated, and our current government is not working anymore.

R69 You, rushing into to "hit the Woke!", "Trannies and Blacks are the problem". as well as the "Bernie bots, you did this!" is exactly how we got here.

The Right unified over scary stuff. The Center-Left simply jerks off on how they hate "those people"... shooting in a circle, at each other.

Might be time to reflect how to work differently.

Guns have more rights than women now.

[quote]This is an issue that moderate voters care about and gets them to the polls.

What good will 'getting to the polls' do? The Democrats took over both houses of Congress in 2018 and the presidency in 2020. And this all started in the last year of Obama's presidency? They are absolute cowards afraid to use the levers of power to get what they want.

r55, no one falls for the secession trolling anymore, so please, just stop wasting our time.

Ruth did us dirty

"[R42] Correct. Nobody ever had gay sex before 2003."

Of course they did, that's not the point. The point is return of sodomy laws and being punished for having gay sex.

This has been planned for over 50 years. Same with what’s happening in every city. You think this inflation is accidental? This was planned.

My [former] rich white WASP friend born and raised into old money who was born and raised on the Upper East Side predicted all of this around 2015. He used to tell me about how prices are going to spike in the next decade, and it’s intentionally to push POC down even more and push them out of cities.

I doubted him but in 2022, look what’s happening.

R79 It's not size or complexity - it's a unique Right Wing illness in American culture and history. The EU holds 45o million, and the arc of justice and rights continues there.

[quote]This is an issue that moderate voters care about and gets them to the polls. This is what Democrats should be talking about from now until November. Instead, they'll make everything about Trannies and Blacks like they alway do.

No- moderate voters are going to vote on the economy and inflation. Democrats are going to get slaughtered in November.

R77 No they won't. They wouldn't be allowed to. If they even tried, one of the SC judges would suddenly die, and Biden would be able to replace him. Taking away any gay rights is contradictive to US foreign strategy.

Or maybe BLACK TRANNIES, r69! Holy shit, NEGRO TRANSSEXUALS!!!! THEY'RE ALL AROUND US! PANIC PANIC EVERYONE! Fuck, y'all, now we gotta vote Trump to get more far-right evangelicals into the SCOTUS to STOP THE NEGROID CROSS DRESSING SEXUALS!!!

I was thinking to myself "I bet someone on DL makes this all about the trans" - and of course they have...

R58 is correct.

R80, none of that comes from the left. Those are far right troll issues.

Lol the trolls can’t blame trans for this one. This is proof that trans were never a real issue. They were always going to come for gay rights, even if trans didn’t exist.

[quote]The Supreme Court is an outdated branch of government and should be limited to rulings on international and interstate matters. The ultimate arbiter should be a state’s Supreme Court.

So you want homosexuality to be illegal again. Nice.

[quote] Ruth did us dirty

How about the successive Democrats Presidents who promised during every campaign that they'd codify abortion rights into law, but weirdly enough never even attemped to, for the past 50 years ? All those motherfuckers are putrid. All men.

Trump promised to pack the court in 2016 and got Republicans and Evangelicals to vote for him, even if they didn't like him. Because they knew what the goal was. Democratic voters, unfortunately, don't have that kind of discipline or long term thinking.

I guess we're going to be getting a lot of cryptic, borderline incoherent comments like r89, promising that gay marriage is totally safe because of something-something foreign affairs something.

Anything to try to troll people into thinking that their rights won't be next, I suppose.

[quote] the successive Democrats Presidents who promised during every campaign that they'd codify abortion rights into law

Whomst? And whenst?

[quote]Lol the trolls can’t blame trans for this one.

Of course you can. Gays are next. Trannys are what Americans are voting against. How do you think Republicans are getting elected across the country. Trannys = progressives. That led to Trump which led to what we have now.

[quote]Democratic voters, unfortunately, don't have that kind of discipline or long term thinking.

some do, I"m not a huge fan of Biden, but I support him, but we need more Dems like me unfortunately

R15 This doesn't affect men. There will be no violent protests as males are responsible for most violent protests.

Women will suffer in silence as they are powerless in our society.

[quote]R89: No they won't. They wouldn't be allowed to. If they even tried, one of the SC judges would suddenly die, and Biden would be able to replace him.

No, Biden will not be able to appoint anyone to the SC. Republicans in the Senate currently have a stranglehold on that, which will possibly get worse after the mid-terms.

Gen Z whores who are all pro-sex work are in for a big wake up call.

Has Susan Collins issued a statement regarding her level of concern yet?

Well, well, well, gee, what a surprise. But they can't reverse gay rights, really? Can't they start to make governments fund private Christo-fascist school? Oh no, don't be silly. That would be nuts! Let people carry around concealed weapons? You worry too much! You are not living in reality. Of course, gays are safe, we would never be threatened. WE would never lose our rights.

To all the Democratic Underground types here, idiotic centrist, chess-playing morons, it looked like Christo-fascism is wiping its feet on our doorstep. This fall it will walk right in the door.

Again, if you have the ability to leave the country in 2024, I highly advise it, as our Democratic Party will not stand up to this right wing take-over. The writing is on the wall. Read it.

R100

You’re insane. Go suck Republican asshole some more.

You know what's funny?

The people unable to get abortions will be poor Black women in the South, so more Black babies

Well off white women can just fly to Canada if the US has a national ban

It’s important to note that abortion has not been outlawed. It’s also important to note that had states like New York and women's clinics who constantly wanted to push the envelope not pushed for and made laws allowing elective abortions up to or beyond 8 months, which is ghoulish under any reasoning, perhaps this wouldn’t have been the outcome. Once again, wild eyed progressives have caused more discourse and heartache and in this case, the loss of rights for many in several states.

Thomas explicitly targets gay marriage in his ruling. Ending gay rights/marriage is clearly next on their agenda.

Happy Pride, everyone!

Up next, after gay rights - no cosmetic surgery and other elective surgeries - they are against nature. Whatever will the Kardashians do?

Jane's Revenge will be active this weekend. DL churchgoers are advised to skip Mass this weekend.

Thomas doesn’t care anymore. He’s letting all of his hatred hang out.

1% of abortions occur after 8 months and those are due to health of the mother or non-viability of the baby, R109. So fuck off with your made up bullshit.

The evangelical Right knows this, r108. They're probably excited about the prospect of cheap, home-grown labor to replace the lost immigrant labor they've been exploiting for decades.

[quote]Jane's Revenge will be active this weekend.

I'm still not convinced that Jane's Revenge isn't a fake organization created by the right-wing to make liberals look bad.

No, R75, you can shove your utter stupidity up YOUR ass. You can fuck right back to your Bernie cave.

This is the result of accepting extremism and normalizing it. It doesn't matter what the issue is.

[quote] Will women be energized and vote against Republicans, really punish them for this.

The sophistication of the voting mind here is totally lacking. Even Hillary warned you that the extremism being embraced by the party is killing us.

The rethugs are beyond saving. But the Dems are not and they are worth saving. But to save them it's going to take a visit to the woodshed. The Dems are not going to abandon the extreme nonsense they've been tolerating and enabling and promoting unless they are forced to. Biden and his fellow fools have become nothing but craven politicians afraid to speak truth. But maybe that craven trait will be useful. I am ready for more awful rethug things if it means bringing back the real Democratic party for the future. Just like the gay community needs to take back its movement and maybe even its organizations. it needs to use some tough love and that means no mercy for those who stole these things and helped others steal them.

Do you really think they would have dared to overturn Roe if there was real respect for and power within the women's movement - the real woman's movement? Hell if the Democrats had more support they probably wouldn't have dared but we know why the Dems have lost support. Hillary knows.

[quote] The Supreme Court is an outdated branch of government and should be limited to rulings on international and interstate matters.

R95, oh do shut up. We have a Constitution in the US and that is what the Supreme Court has jurisdiction over - constitutional matters.

[quote]R111: Up next, after gay rights - no cosmetic surgery and other elective surgeries - they are against nature.

No. After gay rights, the next target will likely be the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

[quote]R117: This is the result of accepting extremism and normalizing it. It doesn't matter what the issue is.

You do not get to label what the vast majority of Americans want "extremism."

r14 Don't forget Brown v. Board of Education.

Repeatedly replying to obvious trolls isn't helping.

And I can't wait until you're an elderly man, de-fuckto, and one of those kids from the poor reck less women who can't afford to travel for an abortion, beats your ass and puts you in the hospital for looking at him the wrong way.

Justice Thomas, in his opinion, specifically says that the Court should revisit rulings about same-sex marriage.

Those who are taking refuge in "oh, people are over-reacting. They'll never make gay rights illegal, don't be absurd.

Red states first - same sex relations, and inter-racial marriage, same sex marriage, contraception.... those rights are gone.

Republicans who deny this? It's Germany, 1933, and you are saying "oh, Hitler won't be that bad..." (An overused analogy that suddenly is accurate).

Do you think I can get Clarence to vote to make himself a slave again? That'd be a trip ha ha!

The entire system is outdated and needs to be reworked.

But I don’t have any hope it will be fixed before the country is turned back to 1920. We’re fucked.

And, of course, the trolls want to blame progressives and trans instead of the evil Republicans and conservatives.

Wrong R8. Poor white women are the #1 group getting abortions. They probably couldn't afford a trip to NY for an abortion.

Black women will suffer as well of course. All women lose.

People act like the judiciary makes laws. It does not. It interprets.

The problem with Democrats is that they constantly punt to the judiciary rather than make the groundwork for legislative rights which is the CORRECT decision.

If Democrats worked on the state level, we would not have states that ban abortion on the books. If Democrats worked on the state level, we would not have same-sex marriage bans on the books.

How many states still have statutes or constitutional amendments that ban same-sex marriage POST Obergefell? Too fucking many. "The SC gave us our rights! No worries!" The work doesn't FUCKING STOP THERE. This needs to be done LEGISLATIVELY because there are no constitutional rights to abortion, gay marriage, and more. They are interpretations.

Yet still we'll just hear to elect rich fucking FEDERAL congresspersons without working within the states in which we live.

[quote]And I can't wait until you're an elderly man, de-fuckto,

It's an elderly woman in her 60s.

Defacto and her various trolls have been here for 20 years. I cannot fathom why it's so goddamn hard for people to just not respond. Ignore the bitch.

Nancy Pelosi in a press conference:

"How about those justices coming before the senators and saying that they respected stare decisis, the precedent of the court."

"Did you hear that? Were they not telling the truth then?"

Well then do something beside fuck-all about it, Nancy. Have them arrested for Contempt of Congress, which you can do.

[quote]How do you think Republicans are getting elected across the country.

It's nothing to do with trans people. Trans spokespeople are annoyingly deaf to the Zeitgeist, but it's such a tiny issue in the context of the concerns of state as a whole that it's plainly just a red herring thrown against progressives by the conservative media.

The reason Republicans are getting elected across the country is that there is a war going on between the educated and the uneducated, the clever and the stupid, scientific evidence and "gut feeling" (under which heading belong all religions). That is the real groundswell of this.

The conservative media don't want to say on behalf of their viewers, "We stupid people don't trust anyone who claims to know more than us", so they target the radical Left, who represent two-thirds of bugger-all. Look how Bernie did in the primaries. Sure, some of his supporters failed to vote for Hillary, but so did a whole lot more people who didn't support Trump but were too lazy to get to a polling booth. Boiling frog syndrome, pure and simple.

There are multiple avenues of contraception available, and there have been for 50+ years. Abortion never should have been considered to be a viable form of birth control - that's just the unconvenient fact. Nevertheless, as a man I concede in foregone defeat to the argument as I, personally, will never be faced with such a dilemma inducing decision.

Now, how many of you cunts are going to come for me concerning my stance on the issue while in the process shitting on my right to free speech?

Everyone have a great weekend!

It would be a reach, R129, but perhaps a basis for impeachment or at least recusal can be hammered out of the divergence between what the justices promised at their confirmation hearings they would do, and what they have done once they were in.

Silly. They won't overturn civil rights. Why would they have to? We will be LIVING IN A CHRISTOFASCIST state. If they control the media, the courts, the politicians, and make just the right laws to help them, they won.

So, religious freedom will stop gay pride, talking about gay stuff (already there), gay rights, the portrayal of gays in media, voting rights segregation by what is going on RIGHT NOW, such as closing voting locations, redistricting, and all manner of making voting difficult, and enabling the militarized police they don't need to get their hands dirty with trying to do a huge civil rights overturning.

They are winning. They know it. Look for "the LGBTQIA" hits and as all political discussion this fall, along with the economy. WE will be the enemy. WE are not the only ones left, we are just the next easy "other" for picking off and winning the next election cycle.

R128 I’m a man in my 30s. Please stop spreading hysterical lies about me. You need help.

[quote]Abortion never should have been considered to be a viable form of birth control - that's just the unconvenient fact.

"I told that 11-year-old she should have been on the pill when she was raped."

[quote]The people unable to get abortions will be poor Black women in the South, so more Black babies

who will be prevented from voting by GOP gerrymandering and poll taxes and such

137 posts on the DL and no one's asked who that big black muscle stud in the red shirt was, standing outside the Supreme Court?

All six justices overturning Roe are Catholic: From a different website:

"Thomas constantly laments the lost of "traditional values." Myth or not, there's only one institution that's responsible for enforcing values, ethics, and it's religious institutions. All the 6 Supreme Court Justices that voted to overturn Roe vs. Wade were Catholic. Conservatives have relied on Reactionary Catholicism as the foundation of their legal movement, since despite their nonsensical talking point, because Protestantism, lacks the intellectual foundation in law to justify a theocracy.

So that's what we're seeing, increasingly a desire to force the Country's culture and institutions to be more religious in nature, and for people to assume roles and customs less rooted in rationality or self-interest, but on dogma. So yeah, once again: theocracy."

[quote] You do not get to label what the vast majority of Americans want "extremism."

I most certainly do. You have no clue what the informed electorate want. Open your eyes.

R127 Yes, and no. The Court "interprets" the Constitution, that's it's sole purpose. However that "interpretation" can accomplish the same things as legislation. Loving v VA, Brown v Board are two clear examples.

We got here by the Right Wing complaining, organizing, raising money to fight against "an activist Court"... and created this "activist Court"

We need "an activist Court" that will not TAKE AWAY rights already assured.

R64 Susan Sarandon loves this ruling. She and her ilk are doing whatever they can to increase and spread misery in the hopes that people will rise up, revolt and sign up for their deluded fantasy that it’ll all be perfect if you just believe! Sort of like the big daddy in the sky folks in that regard.

R138 Picture?

132, shits in own mouth.

R132

Are you ignoring the fact they’re working to ban birth control as well? It doesn’t stop at abortion.

R127 Republican Senators are much, much richer than Democratic Senators. Your "helpful" comments, divisive and critical of other Center-Left folks, is how we got here.

Republicans, not your fellow Democrats, are the problem. We need to be more unified now. Something very different is happening now.

Lol @ the Hillbots still blaming Susan Sarandon 6 fucking years after the election, as if she physically stopped thousands of voters from getting to the polls.

Black turnout in Detroit was down because of the chick from fucking Thelma and Louise.

It would take a moron to say that the pronoun shit did not help us get here with the Christofascists breathing down our necks.

the GOP is a terrorist organization

R147 Bashing those who were Bernie voters along with blaming the "Trannies and the Blacks" is exactly how we got here.

[quote] No, Biden will not be able to appoint anyone to the SC. Republicans in the Senate currently have a stranglehold on that, which will possibly get worse after the mid-terms.

We had a right wing activist court. Biden can add justices to the SC with a Senate majority. We need two more seats to cancel out Manchin and Skinemax. Donate to Fetterman (

^^^^ Fetterman (PA) and Ryan (OH).

R143, he was ALL OVER the live coverage. The guy was probably 6' 5", stood out like crazy. Will probably show up on replays later on youtube.

Gays, get a gun and kill your nearest republican. It seems like the only reasonable thing to do right now.

T148, you are the moron. This was sealed in 2016, when Trump was elected and well before “pronoun shit” was anything people knew about.

Blaming your allies is a strategy for idiots.

R153 I’ll keep an eye out for him, thanks

[quote]R117: This is the result of accepting extremism and normalizing it. It doesn't matter what the issue is.

[quote]R140: I most certainly do. You have no clue what the informed electorate want. Open your eyes.

Specify what you think the "extremism" is.

And now here comes the Socialists, Communists, and Centrists, each blaming each other for the Nazis victory in the 1933 Elections. But it's better to be right than to win, or even to survive.

R152 Yes, thank you. The feeling of astonishment and concern needs to be channeled. Not into talk Troll-speak about Trannies or hating on "the Woke" (this Supreme Court needs to be more woke, so marriage equality isn't overturned)... energy needs to elect Senators PA, OH, WI and hold the House.

Of COURSE this is a result of the extremist Bernie-bots -- AND the fact that the Clinton campaign ignored middle America.

They specifically expressed regret about that the day after the election.

R155, tell that to CAITLYN JENNER.

Abortion never has been considered a viable form of birth control, R132. It has always been a last resort, except for those so deprived they don't even have access to decent birth control. Quite aside from their feelings about the embryo, women don't LIKE having abortions, which are invasive, painful operations requiring anaesthetic and post-facto antibiotics. Of course, when abortions are illegal they often don't get the anaesthetic or the antibiotics.

But men like you have managed to persuade yourselves women are clamoring to abort instead of taking a pill or using the female equivalent of a condom. Talk about fantasists.

R154 Well, this Woke Supreme Court has, in fact, made that more possible. Guns! Our right!

STFU about trans. This has nothing to do with trans. This is all about straight women. Conservatives think women who are sexually active outside of marriage are w----s, and they want to punish those women with 9 months of pregnancy, 2 days of painful labor, and 18 years or childraising...so that they'll be too busy to have sex.

We now live in a religious theocracy. And guess who the Supreme Court is coming for next.

The problem is that Democrats are generally, by nature, Type B people. They don't scream and rage when the Republicans bully and cheat. They just accept defeat. The only Democrat who had the angry energy to make change was Anthony Weiner, but he turned out to be a perv.

[quote]R134: Silly. They won't overturn civil rights.

They've been working on it for decades, R134. They already dismantled the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

R162 IUDs, according to Christo-Fascists, is "abortion".... it's coming, be assured of that. Birth control will possibly be "legislated" against and this Court will uphold that.

You can do a search for "Obergefell" in the opinion that OP posted. It's mentioned in the text and footnotes about 28 times.

Kavanagh, in a concurring opinion, says:

[quote] First is the question of how this decision will affect other precedents involving issues such as contraception and marriage—in particular, the decisions in Griswold v. Connecticut; Loving v. Virginia; and Obergefell v. Hodges.

[quote] I emphasize what the Court today states: Overruling Roe does not mean the overruling of those precedents, and does not threaten or cast doubt on those precedents.

Then this from the main opinion (this is NOT from the concurring opinion written by Justice Thomas):

[quote] And to ensure that our decision is not misunderstood or mischaracterized, we emphasize that our decision concerns the constitutional right to abortion and no other right. Nothing in this opinion should be understood to cast doubt on precedents that do not concern abortion.

Yeah, this all sounds good, but I believe that they could figure out a way to overrule gay marriage and the right to contraception without ever relying this this latest anti-Roe opinion. I trust what Clarence is saying about reexamining other cases more than I trust the other conservative who are trying to calm the masses with rhetoric and no promises.

I can see how some companies will do really well as a result of this decision!

R118 actually the Constitution is pretty much silent as to the role and power of the Supreme Court. The idea that the court could and should be this powerful with the ability to strike down laws as unconstitutional and be the final arbiter of what the Constitution does and doesn’t mean is something the court invented for itself in Marbury v Madison during the Jefferson Administration. And it wasn’t a legal move, but a political one. The Jeffersonians had taken control of the Congress and White House but the Federalists still controlled the courts, so the Federalists on the Supreme Court just decided to give themselves the power to veto anything that the Jeffersonians did. Congress could tell the Supreme Court to go fuck itself and strip them of this power if they wanted to; it’s not in the Constitution.

R132 Many women due to obesity, smoking, and other medical conditions are not good candidates for birth control pills or implants, as well as the Mirena IUD.

They rely on less effective forms of birth control.

So go fuck yourself.

R135, we’ve seen your Twitter. You’re way past 30s.

I hope that a missed race marriage case comes to the Supreme Court soon, just to see how Thomas rules on that.

R170 - no, bitch. If you'd have only fucked YOURSELF, then we wouldn't be having this discussion!

R171 no, you haven’t.

[quote] that's just the unconvenient fact

R132 I’ll… ‘come for you concerning your stance on the issue while in the process shitting on your right to free speech’ (?) if by free speech you mean you’re going to ever say ‘unconvenient’ again?

R169 - you say the court shouldn’t have power to strike laws, but they aren’t striking laws. They’re striking a law they de facto created.

That is the problem. Punting to the fucking judiciary.

Has anyone posted a thread analyzing this decision through the eyes of ex Aflac insurance employees with annoying, but not acute gastrointestinal issues? Could be interesting.

A political troll who can't even manage the word "inconvenient" is one of the most pathetic things I've ever seen.

Gay men are so fucking overly dramatic!

The title of this thread should just be MARY!!!!

How does this affect trans symbolic abortions?

[quote] The reason Republicans are getting elected across the country is that there is a war going on between the educated and the uneducated, the clever and the stupid, scientific evidence and "gut feeling" (under which heading belong all religions). That is the real groundswell of this.

And this is not just happening in the US

It is happening in Canada, Europe, Israel, Australia too.

ACLU and most other organizations that purported to defend abortion rights refused to define "woman". How will they defend same-sex rights if they refuse define "sex"?

Remember the people who were clowned when Trump won for being upset, crying, depressed, etc.

Well, their reactions were correct. This is much worse than some people are willing to admit and they’d rather attack the people who are expressing themselves and making an effort to protest. Watch a bunch of the moderates/centrists join conservatives in attacking the people on the left who react to this. These are the moderates Martin Luther King Jr. warned about.

DeFacto, here you go. He's still around...

Certainly no more pathetic than a ruthlessly self-centered cunt willing to pay a legal medical assassin to snuff out her own unborn baby and throw it in the garbage as if it were trash. Now ehat? You want some? Bitch, I'll have you crying. You better go on.

So when gay marriage goes will already married couples be grandfathered in, or will they be null and void everywhere or valid in some states and not others? We’ve been together 15 years but haven’t married so I’m wondering if we should do it now.

Amazing that you can’t get an abortion in massive cities like Houston and Dallas now. This country is so fucking backwards.

De-Facto -- looks like he's a bodyguard for CNBC/MSNBC.

glad I blocked the defactor cunt years ago

So basically the Supreme Court has said that abortion should not be protected nationally under the "umbrella" of the Constitution, and has kicked it to the individual states to allow or deny abortions as they wish. Do I have this right?

While I can't get on board with your first sentence R68, I 100% agree with you about the lack of empathy, compassion and sense. There's a throughline in how people responded during the AIDs epidemic to the pandemic to today. The lack of empathy and common sense is a detriment to us all. And the election of 45 demonstrated there are no lasting consequences (so far) for that kind of lack so no reason not to indulge in being the most selfish and least empathetic person you can be. While also excelling at dumbness.

Someone mentioned poor women unable to travel out of state where abortions are illegal. California is drafting legislation to help these women by paying travel expensives and support. It's hardly a solution but it's necessary though not sufficient. From the SF Chronicle:

After the leak of the draft opinion, Gov. Gavin Newsom and Democratic leaders in the Legislature announced plans to add a constitutional amendment enshrining a right to abortion. The state Senate approved the amendment this week, and it now heads to the state Assembly, where it will likely also pass (Democrats have large majorities in both chambers). Once it clears the Assembly, it will appear on the November general election as a ballot measure.

Beyond serving as a way to juice turnout among Democratic voters, the amendment has two practical purposes: 1. A failsafe in case future leaders of California decide to restrict abortion access (it's highly unlikely Republicans win enough power at the state level to do that in a deep-blue state). 2. A way to stop conservative California localities from implementing anti-abortion policy (municipal abortion bans are on the rise across the country).

In addition to the constitutional amendment, Newsom has also proposed $125 million in new funds for a "Reproductive Health Package" that would, according to the governor's office, "maintain and improve availability of safe and accessible reproductive health care services and prepare for a potential influx of people from other states seeking reproductive health care and abortion services."

Furthermore, the California Future of Abortion Council has thrown its support behind 13 different bills in the Legislature. Among the most publicized bills are a California abortion "travel fund" that would aid patients in Republican-led states where the procedure could soon be banned, as well as a separate bill that would provide enhanced legal protections for those who end a pregnancy early.

R188 That's how I understand it. Access to abortion is no longer considered a constitutional right so the issue is punted back to the states.

After today I no longer think of this country as united in any way. I'm now calling it the SOA = states of america.

I wish "the leak" never happened. It was all intentional to soften the blow for today's ruling. This country would be upside down at this moment had this just come out today.

Abortion for Dummies - Leave Her to Heaven Style.

R192 I believe that too.

I read the news today oh boy....

I had a stiff drink for breakfast. If I didn't live in California I'd have 6 more.

Here's the breakdown, from the SCOTUS opinion at OP:

[quote] ALITO , J., delivered the opinion of the Court, in which THOMAS , GORSUCH, KAVANAUGH, and BARRETT, JJ., joined. THOMAS , J., and KAVANAUGH, J., filed concurring opinions. ROBERTS , C. J., filed an opinion concurring in the judgment. BREYER, SOTOMAYOR, and KAGAN, JJ., filed a dissenting opinion

So, it's 6-3. Thomas and Kavanaugh wrote concurring opinions as well as being part of the majority.

[quote] Or will women in blue states figure it only effects dumb Southerners, so who cares.

Most likely this.

Imagine being FORCED to carry a baby to term that was fertilized by your father, grandfather or serial rapist. That is some sick shit. I hope they make roller coasters even taller, faster and dynamic. Marathon ride roller coasters until the fetus croaks.

I would have been satisfied if they had just banned wire hangers

R197 wouldn't the use of birth control prevent unwanted pregnancies whether the sex was consensual or not?

Clarence is without doubt the most considerate Justice on our court. He's the first one to open a door for a lady or a disabled person (same difference), and the first one to wish you a happy birthday or remember an anniversary. And he'll be the first one to send a "Sorry You're In Prison" card to you after he votes to recriminalize homosexual sodomy. He's just that considerate.

[quote] Imagine being FORCED to carry a baby to term that was fertilized by your father, grandfather or serial rapist.

At least that dumb ass and/or corrupt judge in Louisiana reversed his decision, had ordered a woman to pay child support & give custody to the alleged rapist father. (Child conceived via rape, allegedly.)

[quote]wouldn't the use of birth control prevent unwanted pregnancies whether the sex was consensual or not?

“Hold on there, Mr. Rapist. I’m going to need you to stop at the pharmacy and pick up some condoms before you rape me.”

JFC.

R199, when your father or grandfather is raping you I question if you have access to or even if you’re of age to take birth control

Regardless, birth control is generally taken by women who anticipate being sexually active. Many people who are raped are either not of age or aren’t sexually active.

In 20 years, crime rates will increase dramatically.

So the court has set the precedent that any of its rulings can be overruled by a court of a different political persuasion.

That will save time when the pendulum swings to the left. Just imagine the liberal policies which can be rammed through (affirmed). Abortion, gun control, election law, gerrymandering, that weird shit about a corporation being a person: this can all be addressed fairly quickly by a left-leaning court just saying “nuh-uh, those drunks, bozos, god-botherers and rapists got it wrong.”

Except the left won't ever be coming back into power, R205.

It's so SAD that that unfucked and unfuckable troll DeF*cto needs Lawrence to be overturned, all so he can tell himself that *that's* why he hasn't had sex for more than five years.

R199, so lesbians should start taking birth control to prevent pregnancy in the event that they are sexually assaulted? What a world.

[quote]So, it's 6-3.

"The court ruled 6-3 to uphold a Mississippi abortion ban being challenged in the case and 5-4 to overturn Roe."

Don Jr. on a bender again:

Andrew Guiliani is thrilled

Next, they will overturn marriage-equality and civil rights.

I love how gays think marriage is the only thing they will take away from them. It will be worse than that.

Hmm...are all these so-called gay men diseases (MP, Men, Gon etc) a precursor to attacking gay rights?

Christian Walker is thrilled. He will also celebrate when gay rights are revoked, I’m sure.

People might just have to vote like they mean it this November. Not sure what else to say here. Yes, yell at the corpse of Ruth Bader Ginsburg if you feel like it. Sure, yell at Jill Stein and Susan Sarandon and everyone who didn't vote for Hillary when it mattered. It won't do the slightest bit of good, but if you feel like it, do it. Sure speculate about "what's next" although again it won't make the slightest bit of difference.

But at least vote like you actually give a shit this November.

Students4Trump are celebrating

Susan Collins is EXTREMELY concerned (and feeling more than a bit duped)

Abortion has always been around, going back to ancient times and it will never go away. All this ruling will accomplish is women seeking out dangerous illegal abortions just like they used to do.

Kamala speaking now. She be pissed.

....

R219 Native Americans didn't practice abortion until the white man came along.

R222 is actually right.

Planned Parenthood had one job: protect Griswold and Roe. They failed. They squandered resources, money, time and energy on bullshit. They are in every state and they should have been working on the state level unrelentingly winning allies. Instead they made themselves outliers from even the mainstream.

R220 She's correct that it's taking away the right to privacy.

Pick one...

It's a coup d'etat by the Stone Tablet people - the Old Testament Levitican degenerates .

[quote] All this ruling will accomplish is [bold]poor and working class[/bold] women seeking out dangerous illegal abortions just like they used to do.

Fixed.

Affluent women will fly to Canada or California or know a local doctor who can "handle" it and make all the illegalities go away.

Just like they used to

R221 Yep, that poor baby will live in a world where other people's religious views will have control over her body. Maybe even not allow her to go to school, if American Taliban continues to take over our lives.

Speaking of which... those upthread who (jokingly??) point to contraception as a barrier against rape-generated pregnancies. Make no mistake about it this current court of extremist Roman Catholics will want to make contraception illegal, except the "rhythm" method. IUDs will already be illegal with the current anti-abortion laws.

Rapist drunk father grabs his 14 year old daughter..., she says,"wait, wait, Dad, let me take my temperature first..."

All the histrionics of Democrats and progressives now rallying in the streets and crying. Republicans and conservatives have been working tirelessly for this day for half a century; electing their candidates up and down the ballot; establishing think tanks; creating powerful media empires; and creating an army of zealous troops who vote based on abortion and the courts. Democrats and progressives should have been prioritizing courts and their rights. They Shouldn’t have taken midterms and 2016 for granted. You snooze, you lose.

State by state. Still plenty of places where abortion will remain legal if inconveniently convenient.

R229, f&f for you and your disturbed mind.

R231: that is why Pence is making noise about making the ruling national

Susan Collins Concerned Level all the way up to 11

[quote] Sen. Susan Collins on SCOTUS/Roe: “This decision is inconsistent with what Justices Gorsuch and Kavanaugh said in their testimony and their meetings with me, where they both were insistent on the importance of supporting long-standing precedents that the country has relied upon.”

[quote] Susan Collins — who voted for Gorsuch and Kavanaugh — on the Supreme Court decision to overturn Roe v. Wade: “It is a sudden and radical jolt to the country that will lead to political chaos, anger, and a further loss of confidence in our government.”

[quote]They Shouldn’t have taken midterms and 2016 for granted. You snooze, you lose.

Thanks, Obama. Not joking; his 'all about my brand' presidency without an ounce of gamesmanship or counter-strategy led to this day. At least Bill Clinton fought back and fought dirty.

Trump thinks this is bad for Republicans.

I hope he is right.

R235 Oh, right! Clinton's legacy was so helpful to Gore....

[quote]All the histrionics of Democrats and progressives now rallying in the streets and crying. Republicans and conservatives have been working tirelessly for this day for half a century; electing their candidates up and down the ballot; establishing think tanks; creating powerful media empires; and creating an army of zealous troops who vote based on abortion and the courts. Democrats and progressives should have been prioritizing courts and their rights. They Shouldn’t have taken midterms and 2016 for granted. You snooze, you lose.

This is what I have to say to Democrats (courtesy of the musical EVITA):

"How can you be so short-sighted to look never further than this week or next week? To have no impossible dream?"

I hope people actually bother reading the decision instead of just reacting to abortion not being a constitutional right.

Supporting abortion rights as a political position is one thing; pretending there’s some constitutional right to it is another. In fact, liberal and conservative scholars have for decades argued Roe was erroneously decided irrespective of their position on abortion.

Gore ran away from Clinton's legacy and that caused his defeat.

I hear y’all, but can this wait until the Stranger Things vol 2 premiere next week?

No, r241! Just another way we decided to fuck you all over. Cause we can, and we like it!

R239 You mean like those Justices on the Supreme Court now who testified in their confirmation hearings that Roe was settled law, they believed in the legal principle of stare decisis, and they would NEVER vote to overturn Roe.

Right, the Democrats have been so "ignorant" of law, rights, and culture bending the Court..... just like the Justices who lied during their confirmations.

R240 yeah, Gore distanced himself from Bill during the campaign and he host. Meanwhile, Hillary didn't and won the NY senate.

Perhaps Obama could’ve done more to have built the Democratic Party, but it’s mainly on Democrats and progressives for being so lazy and unmotivated. Conservatives do what they have to do no matter how effective or disappointing their leaders are. They show up and show out at the ballot box every election; even when they don’t win, they turn out in impressive numbers.

R244 Well, he didn't "lose"... he won the popular vote. He didn't challenge the vote in FL.

Polling, at the time, didn't indicate that offering a third term of Bill was what America wanted.

Now that their biggest victory has been achieved, they will focus their lens on their next target, gay people.

Gordon right away from Clinton’s legacy in a vacuum; it was in the context of an embarrassingly sleazy behavior by Clinton. Clinton Fatigue was not an illusion

In a map nutshell

What?

I cut the grass in my yard yesterday. It was hot and I was a typical sweaty mess as usual. Just as I began on the one side of the yard, I saw via my mind's eye myself picking up a baby bird. I'm going up and down the yard, and by the time I get to the largest of my small trees on the other side, I spot a tiny fledgling laying on the grass about 1.5 feet from the trunk. I ran the mower right up to it which is when I saw it. At first I thought it was dead until it opened it's mouth wide for feeding. If I'd have run my hand over my face to wipe away the sweat at that moment, then it'd have been a goner. I knew the nest was there, but I hadn't bothered to see exactly where until that point. I didn't even have to think. I grabbed a hand spade, scooped it up, and used a step stool to put it back in the nest with it's mate. I took a lot of shit from the parents- Robins - but I felt a great good satisfaction in having done it. Look at me! I'm a bonafide life saver!

Babies, baby. They're BABIES.

If you are surprised by this ruling or Thomas’ concurring opinion, you are part of the problem. You are woefully uninformed about politics in general, and dangerously naive about the plans and actions of the right in particular. You should dedicate yourself to being more informed about politics from this day forward.

Gore was stupid to do that r248. He paid far more attention to assholes in the media and the punditocracy, as Democrats tend to do. And then picking the ever dreary Joe Lieberman was just the dingbat cherry on the stupidity sundae.

R247 - They have to make the abortion ban national first. THEN gay poople, THEN black people (and Uncle Tom Clarence would prob oblige)

R237 Clinton begged Gore to let him spend the last few weeks of the campaign going door to door in New Hampshire where he was popular to remind people just how bad the Bush recession had been there in the early 90s and how much better the economy was under Clinton. All of the oh-so-smart people consulting for the Democratic Party and Gore campaign convinced Gore that was a terrible idea. If Gore had won NH he would have been president.

Gore didn’t rub away from Clinton’s legacy in a vacuum; it was in the context of an embarrassingly sleazy behavior by Clinton. Clinton Fatigue was not an illusion

R245, That's because they have a religious and militaristic mindset. It's actually a real thing according to scientists. Their rigid mindset encourages rituals like going to church every Sunday and voting in every election.

Democrats don't have that gene, so it's like herding cats. The party is a collection of different minorities, which all have their own priorities. Republicans only have to please one group: White Christians, so organizing and messaging is a piece of cake for them.

You’re correct r257. And it means conservatives are destined to win and rule. Sadly

And by the way, Hillary should have listened to Bill as well. He kept arguing that her campaign needed to rely less on computer models and more on connecting with voters at the grassroots level. He also warned them that Brexit passing was an bad omen that should make them take the threat of Trump’s populist campaign more seriously. But Mook and Podesta and all of the other highly paid geniuses running her campaign mocked him for not understanding modern politics, and insisted up until the end that their computer models showed that she couldn’t possibly lose

Democrats have won 7 of the last 8 Presidential election popular votes. Republicans face demographic challenges in the next 20 years... the question is whether there will be any kind of democracy to reflect popular will by then...

R244 gore outran Hillary by like 10 points in NY if I recall correctly.

66 percent of Americans wanted Roe left as it was. They didn't just shoot themselves in the foot, they blew the motherfucking foot off.

Gore lost because SCOTUS was partisan. Remember the long period of limbo, votes-counting, SCOTUS getting involved and voting as expected?

39% of the women live in states that are banning abortion. At least half of those women are women who are happy that it got overturned. 38% live in states that have a legal abortion and they will not care about the other states. This will be forgotten in a month and nothing more will come of it. All big companies are now vowing to pay to send their employees to legal states all expenses paid. Those big corps bring a lot of money to southern states and they can't afford to lose those corps. The gov of those states will most likely look the other way than to upset the apple cart. It's every corporation vowing publicly to do this.

[quote]Gore lost because SCOTUS was partisan. Remember the long period of limbo, votes-counting, SCOTUS getting involved and voting as expected?

And just look at who made that happen...

Before you dummies go praising Liz Cheney anymore….

[quote]It's every corporation vowing publicly to do this.

R265 This is magical thinking (strategically intended to muddy the waters?) that helps disarm opposition to today's Court. It's also a sentence that has no source, no authority. In short, what the fuck are you talking about?

R267 Our politics needs to be smarter than dumbed-down tribalism of social media snits. I support her I think she's right. I oppose her when she's wrong. Philosophically, I can walk and chew gum at the same time.

[quote]Supporting abortion rights as a political position is one thing; pretending there’s some constitutional right to it is another. In fact, liberal and conservative scholars have for decades argued Roe was erroneously decided irrespective of their position on abortion.

There is a Constitutional right to Privacy, and Roe determined that the right to an abortion, up to a certain point in pregnancy, fell under the right to privacy. It’s been that way for 50 years, and most Americans agreed with it. So yes, today’s decision does take away a Constitutional right.

Bodily autonomy has to be part of any idea of civil rights. Throw that away and you throw away pretty much all of it. Throw away bodily autonomy and slavery, murder, rape, imprisonment all come rushing back in. It is fundamental or it is nothing. Saying you have all these other rights, speech, religion, assembly, but the government can step in and take over your body for its own purposes negates all of that. Makes it meaningless actually.

R203 R208 ever hear of the 'morning after' pill? which the Mayo Clinic identifies as a backup contraceptive in case of sexual assault or unprotected sex. It's 2022 bitches! Do try and keep up.

Ever hear of abortion r272? Why the fuck shouldn't that be just as legal as any morning after pill, cunt? Why are you obsessed with other people's fetuses?

[quote]Democrats have won 7 of the last 8 Presidential election popular votes. Republicans face demographic challenges in the next 20 years...

Don’t forget that huge numbers of Republicans were wiped out by the Delta variant during the Spring and Summer of 2021. We have yet to see what the loss of so many stupid unvaccinated Republicans will have on the midterm election results.

R270 Yep, and again, the majority (all except Alito and Thomas?) lied in their confirmation hearings. They testified explicitly that Roe (and the principles and precedence it was founded on) were settled law, and No M'am, No Sir, they would not vote to overturn it.

They lied. "Oh Pro-Life supporters have been working so hard for this!!"... including lying under oath.

get laid much R273? How does this affect you and your butt babies?

R276 This brilliant and logical argument... is why our democracy is fucked.

Why monkeypox, why does it matter to you how many times anybody gets laid? What the fuck is wrong with you, deep down? How exactly did your mother fuck you up so completely, and why do all other women in the universe have to suffer for it?

[quote] The new Confederacy of Dunces can secede

Why would they want to? They are heavily and unfairly advantaged by the Federal system. They have a huge number of senators for a tiny number of people and their rightwing agenda gets funded by the resources of the wealthy blue states.

If there’s any seceding to be done, it’s by us, not them.

R277 we're fucked because of over reactive Henny Penny's like you who need to get laid

So your answer to overturning Roe v Wade is to tell everybody to fuck more, monkeypox. That is an idea, I guess.

[quote]They have a huge number of senators for a tiny number of people

Um, each state has two senators.

and your answer R281 is to address this doomsday issue on DL which will make a world of difference, I'm sure

Happy Father's Day!

Here's a map

Not to worry, the Democrats are on it. Fight fascism with poetry. We're fucking doomed.

Everyone here: what will you do to turn back this fascist tide? It’s become a cliche’ but people standing silently while these issues are decided for us is how it happens. I can’t have babies but I’m angry for all the women whose private decisions are now legislated by hundreds of men. I’m angry and scared for gays whose rights are next. For blacks and other people of color who will continue to be marginalized while no one does anything.

I’m going to block walk for Beto, which I did several years ago. I donate to Warnock in Georgia and Beto and a few other TX Democrats. I donate to NAACP and PP, among many other groups, and will continue and increase my donations. I’ve thought about being a poll worker but I’m not sure if I have the patience for that.

What are your plans for pushing this back and getting Democrats into office?

My mussy, my choice!

R276 would you want to have to involve your employer in a medical procedure like this? To have to tell them explicitly what you’re having done and have them approve it? Where’s your privacy?

Also lol where do the other 23% of ‘the women’ live?

Wow R282 that’s really stupid of you to say that out loud 🫢

The picture posted in r220 should get more thinking. The row of falling dominoes is quite apt.

As conventional polite republicans like Mccain, neither Jeb nor Romney would have beaten Hillary. No republican justices.

Obama and the press corps just couldn't resist being assholes to a guest unable to defend himself that night. I'm totally satisfied that was the moment Trump quit flirting with the idea and seriously committed to running for president. 𝐷𝑜𝑛'𝑡 𝑔𝑒𝑡 𝑚𝑎𝑑, 𝑔𝑒𝑡 𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑛.

Perhaps Obama's most significant historical legacy.

Whoops, r 210

[quote]Fight fascism with poetry. We're fucking doomed.

They had a leaked opinion for seven weeks and they came up with this post-9/11 nonsense? Would be nice to have a legislature who, dare one suggest, legislated.

R273 ever hear of the abortion pill?

Oh, fuck off R286! That’s not all they did and you know it! They also went outside on the Capitol steps and sang an Irving Berlin song. That combination of poetry plus showtunes is remarkably powerful. If they can just convince Chuck Schumer and Jim Clyburn to communicate Sotomayor’s dissent through interpretive dance tomorrow, I think it’s pretty likely that they’ll defeat fascism in America forever. Do you have a better plan?

Our waste is polluting the planet, the working class is being transitioned into slavery and people like George Zimmerman are still alive.

“An accident, Dolores, is sometimes a pregnant woman's best friend.”

R296 not to mention Kyle Rittenhouse.

People got out and voted for officials to stand up and represent them. They are the ones who have the most power out of anyone. When is the democrat party going to fucking stand up to Republican tyranny for once and for all?

Why isn't Biden coming out and personally condemning the Justices who LIED on the stand regarding overturning Roe V. Wade? Instead, we get an "extremely disappointed" statement with calls for "Peaceful protests". People's rights are being taken away, they're not happy and peaceful right now.

Why hasn't there been calls for an investigation surrounding Clarence and Ginni Thomas?

Instead we're getting fucking poetry readings,

And why hasn't Roe been codified in all of these years by the democratic party?

I don't think Generation Ass is all that concerned

Klobuchar is the only one who has been consistently on TV today saying clearly that two additional Democratic Senators HAVE to be elected this fall, so the filibuster can be nuked. There’s no I’m other way to stop this.

[quote]Obergefell is gay marriage, which, obviously, is a massive right that no one wants overturned. But Lawrence is essentially gay sex, gay relationships

If Lawrence falls, how on Earth will Obergefell stand?

Instead of relying on SCOTUS for our rights, Dems need to take big majorities in the House and Senate and codify abortion rights, contraception right, and gay marriage into national law.

[Quote] Obergefell is gay marriage, which, obviously, is a massive right that no one wants overturned.

Except for the right

R303 We can have sexless marriages, just like most of the straights do

R305, and the right controls the Court and does not care what anyone thinks.

Codifying Roe or Obergefell is nice, but do you seriously think it will stop this Court? You had Amy Coney Barrett standing next to the pussy grabber, spreading her disease, just so she had the chance to overrule Roe. They will throw out your codification faster than a mushroom dick can come inside a porn star.

[quote] Codifying Roe or Obergefell is nice, but do you seriously think it will stop this Court?

Yes, a federal law would, indeed, stop this Court. An explicit law would trump (sorry) the SCOTUS decision.

I think what they’re suggesting R309 is that the Court would simply strike down any such law as an unconstitutional exercise of congressional power, the way that the 5 conservatives were prepared to do with the ACA before Roberts switched his vote at the last minute. I agree we should definitely pass such laws, but I share the concern that these right wing nuts on the Court pine for a pre-1930s era where SCOTUS told the Congress that they couldn’t do much of anything that the Constitution didn’t explicitly give Congress the power to do.

Dream away, r309. They eviscerated the Voting Rights Act and the ACA before OfDonald and the rapist even joined the court. They will simply say the federal government doesn’t have the right to regulate abortion,

It’s all based on anti women and anti democrat hatred . Full stop

Yes, R310, SCOTUS can declare it unconstitutional, at some point.

But what are the choices? Do you lie down and let it roll over you?

If you think about all the future opposition without acting, what's the point?

Vote for democrats that stand for basic issues and rights.

That doesn't mean "purity tests", and that doesn't mean "Vote Blue No Matter Who". Both are flip sides of the same useless coin. Neither works.

I'm going to start a rapid response group on Facebook. We'll respond to articles (not on Facebook) with anti-Repuglican comments.

In what way is the party that stands up for weapons that pulverize children’s heads and for rapists’ rights the equivalent of the Democrats? That kind of wimpy bothsiderism is exactly why Trump and this Court came to power.

The House has been gerrymandered and the Senate is tilted against Democrats in the current political configuration. We really need a realignment and a constitutional convention.

Wake the fuck up. The Christians swallowed hard for the pussy grabber. We need to build a strong coalition even if it means a few compromises.

Thank you Amy for your welcome and timely contribution !

Now sit down.

shhhhhh...the men are talking now.

A federal law codifying abortion as a right nationwide will not stand when Scotus eventually says that the right to life in the womb is a fundamental right. Don’t you realize that conservatives have been claiming that abortion violates the Constitution’s guarantee of life for decades? They continue to explicitly work toward having SCOTUS adopt that view and some justices have indicated they are prone to agree

[quote]If Lawrence falls, how on Earth will Obergefell stand?

Long-term eldergay and lesbian relationships are the very picture of marriage without sex. Or whatever John Roberts has going on.

R313 did you somehow miss the part of my post where I said “I agree we should definitely pass such laws”? But we’re going to have to do something about the Court if we want to restore the rights it has eliminated and safeguard the rights it is coming after in future years. Expand it. Strip it if its power of ultimate judicial review. Something. Otherwise they will likely just strike down any legislative fixes passed by a Democratic Congress.

Rep. Dean: Rights Of Women Were Overturned By ‘A Corruptly Seated Majority’ On SCOTUS

People who say this is unbelievable are like people who said Trump being elected president was unbelievable. It’s another case of people only listening to and believing other people in the bubble. Outside the bubble it seemed pretty clear that someday Roe would be overturned, because the Republicans were never going to give up. Eventually, they were going to get five votes. Democrats should have done something about abortion during the last fifty years so that it didn’t depend on a SC decision.

It’s a case of politically dumb, lazy, and arrogant people getting the results they deserve

Maddow just noted conservatives plan to send a fetal personhood case to SCOTUS to make the Court say the Right to life in the womb is national

Oh the humanity!

R202 that's why there is a morning after pill as well as an abortion pill

She's really laying it all out there, r324.

Hold me David, I’m scared

[quote]Rep. Dean: Rights Of Women Were Overturned By ‘A Corruptly Seated Majority’ On SCOTUS

She’s right. Coney Barrett is sitting in a stolen seat and should be forcibly removed.

Some states define “an unborn child” as beginning at fertilization. Thus it’ll only be a matter of time before IUDs, Plan B, and medication abortions are outlawed in those states.

R287 thinks "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington" was a documentary.

R299 In this process of "the people's representatives" legitimately taking away rights given (unprecedented), the Republican Christianists on the Court stood in front of the Senators and lied - and met with Senators in private and LIED. They said Roe was settled law and they respected the fact stare decisis protected it.

The beautiful democratic process you describe.... had at is core a lie in order to grab power, and once power was in hand, do this unprecedented denial of established rights.

Where is this ‘night of rage’ I’ve been promised? I want violence and shit burned down. The Black Lives Matter protestors did it better.

BLM didn't, after all, change much policy. At least not so far. Burning buildings has limited efficacy.

Tonight... I did my research and contribute several hundred dollars in strategic places. I will continue to contribute and volunteer for the right campaigns this fall.

I am enraged and my rage is a slow, profound, determined burn. We will need to have some patience, and eventually we will rescue the Republic (and maybe even the Gospel) from these extremist Chrisian Nationalists. Stay strong folks, we will eventually win.

[quote]eventually we will rescue the Republic (and maybe even the Gospel) from these extremist Chrisian Nationalists. Stay strong folks, we will eventually win.

We will win. Demographics are on our side.

[quote] Demographics are on our side.

Adivina otra vez señor

r334 The handmaid cosplay event will start tomorrow morning. This will be followed by heading into the gay areas and telling the disease ridden little homosexual boys that we made them, so now we're here to break them... after we string them up, finally, women everywhere are going to stop having sex - no not even second base - with men.

it's men who burn buildings and raid stores. They need to stay in their lane, stand back and shutup. We will protest every place of toxic masculinity and demand they lower the standards to keep the trannies out and let us in. We don't need fireMEN, policeMEN, postMEN., This is the age of the menopostal.

Let’s make interracial marriage illegal to help us go back to the god ole days for Clarence.

R336 Los latinos en la valle del Rio Grande tienen una cultura distincta. Los que dicen que ellos representan toda la communidad latina in nuestra paez se equivocan. El latino, el gigante dormido, se va a despertar

Va a llegar la mayoridad latina en unos cuantos anos

Con safos...

r338 the dressing up as the ghosts of women that died from backalley abortions and the burning of the crosses on those religious black and brown lawns will start sunday after church.

r338 this how we're going to win back the latino vote.

[quote]R326: that's why there is a morning after pill as well as an abortion pill

The trolls who keep pushing contraceptives as the reason overturning Roe is no big deal need to STFU. Clarence Thomas has already announced his intention to go after Griswold v Connecticut, the contraception law.

R219 it will be a state-by-state decision. Back-alley abortions were long before the morning after pill which prevents pregnancy by stopping ovulation or the abortion pill which is given after pregnancy

This country is turning into a third world shithole

were there ever successful back-alley abortions?

A black man like Clarence Thomas threatening to take away gay rights is absolutely breath taking. I do not understand why people who only got rights in the 60's would ever want to take someone else's right's away. I could see any of the white judges, but not a POC. Wasn't Clarence Thomas involved in some sexual harassment scandal? I remember being very young and hearing about "Long Dong Silver" and the pubes on the coke can. Is he a democrat or republican. I am assuming republican.

R346 go out and enjoy the weekend; no one's stopping you!

The contraception thing absolutely floors me it’s so nuts. What the ever-loving fuck. States banning birth control pills is some Taliban shit I would have thought unthinkable in a so-called developed country not so long ago. So pro-life yet they want schoolteachers to keep loaded guns on their desks. America can fuck right off.

I’m amazed people aren’t more enraged.

[quote] I’m amazed people aren’t more enraged

Perhaps that's a sign the country isn't as pro-abortion as the activists take as a matter of faith.

^^ look at the polls, troll.

We are about to see if abortion rights are an issue on which a majority of voters will defend. I suspect only in blue states

[quote] go out and enjoy the weekend; no one's stopping you!

I will! I live in CA where you can fuck men all day long, have gay marriage, and do drugs legally while getting a last minute abortion if you want to. For better or worse, in the US, you have to live where you will have the most rights, especially if your are gay. The only real option are CA followed by NY. Even the PNW has white supremacist nazis and hillbillies - Portland was like home of the Klan at one point.

Why are so many women dumbasses that vote against their own interests?

R354

Poor education and religion. But usually both.

A lot of antiabortion women are well-educated. I know sold young women who are prolife and Ivy League

R356

R357, yes that reflects general statistics, but there are plenty of exceptions to The general rule.

Pew: Two-thirds of college graduates (66%) say abortion should be legal in all or most cases, as do 63% of those with some college education. Among those with a high school degree or less education, 54% say abortion should be legal in all or most cases, while 44% say it should be illegal in all or most cases.

[quote] Why are so many women dumbasses that vote against their own interests?

As R355 states, ignorance is primarily the reason.

[quote] A lot of antiabortion women are well-educated. I know sold (sic) young women who are prolife and Ivy League.

Ivy League Education does not equate with a Lack of Ignorance.

R358

Sure, but R354 asked, "Why are so many women dumbasses that vote against their own interests?" They didn't ask why each individual woman holds a particular stance.

Educational level and religiosity are the strongest demographic predictors of anti-abortion stance (and homophobia, incidentally). I can't explain each individual's values. But, in general terms, yes, educational level and religiosity best account for why so many women are dumbasses who vote against their own interests...

[quote]A black man like Clarence Thomas threatening to take away gay rights is absolutely breath taking.

I'll be damned! The black guy is prejudiced.

[quote]No- moderate voters are going to vote on the economy and inflation. Democrats are going to get slaughtered in November.

Correct. People aren't happy about this, but in the end they will still vote for their own pocketbooks.

One of the more annoying quirks of DL is the need some posters have to always point out that there are exceptions to most all generalizations.

"I know a British person who could not stand to drink tea!"

"When I was a child I hated ice cream!"

Etc. and so on

[quote]And what happens in places like Florida, where the population is not particularly "Christian" in the Southern Baptist sense.

Floridians are old. They don't get pregnant. Also, lots of conservative Boomers are retiring there, in part because they love how conservative it is (and it's becoming more so by the day). Florida will only turn more red as time goes on.

Continued from R364:

Some women are born with penises.

Yes, R139. And why are you surprised? Jesus himself said that the Catholic Church would survive until the end of time....when he anointed Peter the first Pope of his kingdom here on earth.

[quote]“And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” ~ Matt 16:18

[quote] This country is t̶u̶r̶n̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶i̶n̶t̶o̶ a third world shithole.

I'm all for abortion and terminating future poor people, thugs, and criminals. However, let's call it what it is: another form of birth control.

R369, let’s not, because it isn’t.

[quote] I could see any of the white judges, but not a POC.

Don't equate your sin with my skin.

Susan Collins Soulmate Watch (from yahoo!news):

[quote] Joe Manchin Says He ‘Trusted’ Neil Gorsuch And Brett Kavanaugh, Is Now Disappointed

[quote] Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) said Friday he is alarmed that two Supreme Court justices he supported have helped the court eliminate the constitutional right to abortion.

The main article on Daily News' website front page:

[quote]13 protesters arrested for blocking Midtown traffic in march against end of abortion rights.

So typical of them - never mind the earthshaking societal implications of this Supreme Court ruling - people are being BLOCKED FROM DRIVING THEIR CARS!!11!!

"State by state. Still plenty of places where abortion will remain legal if inconveniently convenient."

Until there's a Republican president and Republican Congress again. Then I have no doubt they'll institute a nationwide abortion ban.

“ State by state. Still plenty of places where abortion will remain legal if inconveniently convenient."

This stupidity is why we’re in this situation. Lazy people who want to be assured that everything is gonna be all right, despite conservatives’ public Agenda and actionsto ban things they don’t like nationally

The imbecility award of the day goes to r335. Congrats. (Who are them Catholics, you say?)

Apparently, Ivanka Trump had an abortion in high school:

@IvankaTrump you are noticeably quiet today. The high school friends who took you to get an abortion are not.

....

I’m waiting for Christian version of the Iranian Revolution, which will sweep the United States in the next 10 years or so. I can just see it now, hordes of former Trumpers, Christian fundamentalists, crazies, and every right wing freak throughout the nation, all in unholy alliance to install their Christian ayatollah. There’ll be a transition period of a year or two of chaos, before the purges, work camps, and death squads get going, but once things are up and running there will be more than enough goons ready to volunteer for the task.

It’s a sad situation, but more people should have stepped up when they had the chance.

Are they going to ban prenatal testing for Down syndrome?

“Now don’t get mad…”

Weak and stupid AIR FORCE ONE (@CNN) — Speaking to reporters aboard Air Force One, press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said Biden **does not** agree with calls to expand SCOTUS, or eliminate the filibuster, throwing cold water on steps some liberal Democrats have called for in the wake of Dobbs.

Biden is USELESS. Spineless and ineffective.

R383, what is he supposed to do? Shot Clarence Thomas?

Did anybody suggest that, R384? But what is Biden's plan? No filibuster, no adding to the court. So, he's mad and disappointed and...that's it?

R385, he’s in control of the executive branch. The Justice Department can act and it will. But he does not control Congress. He cannot explode the filibuster, he cannot pass laws, he cannot pack the Court without Congress. You should probably ask about why Chuck Schumer is so ineffective.

He can vigorously use his bully pulpit to call all Democrats and Susan Collins to support jettisoning their filibuster and expanding the Courts before January

At a Trump rally tonight:

Miller: President Trump… I want to thank you for the historic victory for white life in the Supreme Court yesterday

White life???

^^^ Holy shit.

Did she say "white" on purpose or stumble while trying to say "life?"

There are no accidents, r390.

Compelling testimony made by a former abortionist. 24 weeks, obviously, is six months. Uvalde. All are outraged. Demands for stronger, reformed firearms laws reverberate across the nation. No woman who willingly underwent an abortion procedure merely "terminated a pregnancy." That woman, no matter who she may be, willingly paid money to have her unborn child killed - many in a most gruesome way. That's the fact of the matter. And until now, she did so legally. Uvalde vs Abortion - be it no surprise. The United States was founded under the taint of its hypocrisy, and it has thrived, grown, and attained its world power status by sustaining that hypocrisy. These are the facts. The testimony:

Victory for Sherri Shepherd's babies too.

[quote] Shepherd, 41, told the Christian magazine Precious Times that she had undergone “more abortions than I can count” during her twenties.

Yeah, as an Illinoisan, I know Mary Miller's a piece of shit, and I don't completely put it past her, based on some shit she's said in the past. It just kind of sounded like she didn't mean to say it (at least out loud), but I could be wrong. That's why I asked what others thought.

Here's what she said at a rally on 1/6/20, for example:

I'm R390, also at R394, to clarify.

R386 didn't Biden help get Thomas appointed?

Were she and Ron Johnson separated at birth, r394?

R396, Biden voted against confirming Clarence Thomas. Somehow, you’ll find a way up blame him rather than the people responsible.

r396, Biden chaired the Senate Judiciary Committee , he did not vote for Thomas.

Thomas is immature emotionally. He really has it out for liberals.

[quote]He can vigorously use his bully pulpit to call all Democrats and Susan Collins to support jettisoning their filibuster and expanding the Courts before January

There is zero chance of Manchin, Sinema and Collins supporting either measure, so it's a no-go. If he was using his bully pulpit to advocate for them and they inevitably went nowhere, you'd double down on your criticism of his "weakness."

Why isn't there a movement to boycott all of the anti-abortion states?

I suppose we’ve all been boycotting those shit hole states. I mean, when was the last time anyone has purposely planned an exciting family vacation in Alabama? Gone to a Health and Beauty Spa in Mississippi?

True R402

Since 2016 people I know (mostly liberal NYers and Californians) have noted that they felt uncomfortable in red states knowing they'd be surrounded by Trumpists and feeling like it was going to Germany in the 30s

R492, don't be ridiculous. Millions of people visit Texas, Georgia, and Florida -- all red states.

Women with money will always be able to get an abortion in any state. Their doctors will call it a Dilation and curettage (D&C). They always have done that. The difference is the government doesn't pay for it. Rich people always get what they want. Always have and always will in a capitalist society. It's the poor people that are getting fucked again and again. The only good thing to come from the rethugs taking over is the will not tolerate homeless camps in our city streets and parks. About fucking time.

R405, the government doesn’t pay for abortions anyway. That’s what the Hyde amendment was about.

R399 I think it’s funny how often people take swipes Clarence Thomas. If he was your stereotypical “whites are da debbil” angry leftist, any critique of him would be portrayed as “look at how they’re attacking a Black man”.

what language is R407 posted in? honestly. I can't make out one word

[quote] The only good thing to come from the rethugs taking over is the will not tolerate homeless camps in our city streets and parks. About fucking time.

You're living in a dream world if you think the Republicans will leave us with any public parks. And if you think the Republicans care if they have to step over homeless people, winos, and beggars on their way from their limousine to their townhouse, you must not have lived through the Reagan years (or in any third world country).

[quote] It's the poor people that are getting fucked again and again.

Literally, since the context is people wanting abortions. Maybe we should focus on prevention of pregnancy and avoid the problem altogether.

[quote] You're living in a dream world if you think the Republicans will leave us with any public parks.

States and towns controlled by Republicans have no public parks. None.

What is the republican plan for caring for all the unwanted kids? I have not heard a single peep about that and we are only nine months away from the beginning of the new era.

[quote]Maybe we should focus on prevention of pregnancy and avoid the problem altogether

With no birth control, r410? I guess you're referring to abstinence...which has always worked *so* well.

Tsk tsk. I suppose you’ve heard they’re threatening to prohibit or deeply regulate access to birth control r410. Unless you mean sluts shouldn’t fuck unless they want a kid.

R413, if you think the Dobbs decision got rid of birth control, you need a better source for the news you receive.

[quote]"It’s all of the implications of the Dobbs decision that make us reasonable to be fearful about the accessibility of contraception in the future,"

R410 Since "literally" the issue is using an unprecedented religious standard to take away rights and to erode the Constitutional divisions between Church and State. (Already last week the Court ruled that public governments will fund private, religious schools.) The foundational principles that Roe was built on are erased. Birth control, same sex relations, private relations among heterosexuals, same sex marriage are in the cross hairs. Paranoia? Pay attention, this is what was specified in Thomas' concurrence.

This is just a silly social media platform, and trolls come and people try to talk smack to each other (some focused, intentional efforts to disrupt, some just cranky, some angry, some playing the clown). But it's time to get off social media and to work to win the next cycle of elections, and the next cycle, and figure out how to preserve a Constitutional Republic.

Fight like hell. it's serious.

I just saw this image online (credited to "Friends of Malcolm Nance"). Apologies if it's been posted already:

I love this comment someone named "Playteu" just left on the "Crooks & Liars" website:

For the love of Zeus, STOP CALLING THEM CONSERVATIVES.

THEY ARE NOT CONSERVATIVE. THEY ARE FASCISTS.

FASCISTS. STOP.

They are fascists. Do not use their self applied, propaganda label. They are not fucking conservative.

Just stop using it. Fascists. Totalotarians.

NOT CONSERVATIVE.

Aside from all I've contributed to this thread - which I meant wholeheartedly - we are still faced with the fact that **THEY** really don't give one iota concerning aborted babies which they'll then complain about having to support on the public dole in 3-2-1. So then, the pertinent question is: What's really going on here?

r420, that will be the democrat's problem. We all know it.

R398 R399

Ted Kennedy's advisor told The New Yorker Biden agreed to the terms of the people who were out to disembowel Hill

Ohio Democrat Howard Metzenbaum was quoted as saying Joe bent over too far backwards to accommodate the Republicans who were going to get Thomas on the court come hell or highwater

Anita Hill said she believes Biden lost control of the hearings and that Biden said many of the rules that damaged Hill and determine the overall fairness of the process

Don't underestimate Joe's ability to fuck things up!

R422 This is so completely irrelevant now.

The Republic is threatened, gay rights are targeted by Christianist Extremists in power, but let's make sure we make this about Joe's decisions 25 years ago. Right.

That bitch actually praised Hitler. Wtf?? This is not good, it's going to get worse.

History repeating itself, r424.

R423 it's an example of the past catching up with you and in 2019 Biden came under scrutiny for his treatment of Anita Hill and his saying in 1998 that she was lying. Look at Joe's current poll numbers. They're reflective of how he really fucks things up

R426 For whom did you vote in 2020? Be honest.

R427 let's be honest Joe has fucked up. Who you voted for is irrelevant now because Biden is president and many people who voted for Joe because he wasn't Trump aren't happy.

NO more wire hangers EVER!

So is there any possibility at all that blue states can just start keeping our tax money and spend it on our own communities, rather than continuing to subsidize these theocratic plutocracies determined to breed more and more deplorables?

If we want to finally get real about fighting back, focus on which states fail to put money into the federal kitty and SQUEEZE them for more. Expose it all, pull their pants down. All blue state governments need to literally cancel transfers of tax dollars to the Fed, NOW. Revolt.

Women not fucking men won’t work because only the women/men who already care will participate. Money and power is what this is, and if we can’t answer, it will continue to escalate. What if Newsom halted all tax revenue transfers to the Fed? Is that even possible or no? Not to secede to the union, it is a moral objection and expansion of free speech to refuse to pay the government. All consumers should do the same. Do NOT file your taxes next year — if enough of us refuse to file income taxes, they are fuuuuuuucked though they will punish the most vulnerable. We have to create private safety nets for legal aide for the poor who participate. Go beyond boycotting red states, go right over them and hit the fucking Fed.

Also, maybe it’s time for criminal charges Merrick? Take your sweet-ass time mother fucker. Every one of them must be criminally charged, especially on SCOTUS, and of course Congress and of course Trump.

Shut this entire country down. Dox the fuck out of them. Spread protesters across major highways leading to all government buildings making access almost impossible. Make access from their homes impossible. TORTURE their children, if they think we were bad before, they’ve seen nothing yet.

Boycotts do work, but the problem now is fatigue. And that is by design. Finally, I want to see as many women (and men!) arrested for violating abortion policies as possible. If you don’t need an abortion, act like you do and purposely get yourself thrown in jail. Overwhelm the system.

Also, 4th of July is our BIGGEST opportunity to make impact. Do we go to festivals in our locality? Do we protest our fellow citizens who are good but aren’t activists (like young families)? I think what we should do is organize a separate celebration WITH many wonderful, beautiful pieces like great live music, fireworks, food, drinks, and we call it something about Hope. Hope Fest? Celebration of Hope? Hope for All? Or how about just ALL?

We need to pull as many as possible away from normal 4th if July plans and disrupt it in a way that is highly aggressive but still peaceful and respectful. Where is the women’s March on all this, is it formally gearing up or did it this weekend? I saw protestor shots but didn’t pay attention.

nice to see gays and breeders finally aligned

I’ve been depressed about this since Friday. It really feels like a bridge has been crossed and there’s no turning back now and I see these extremist justices and people in government as wanting to impose their Christian version of sharia law on everything. It seemed abstract before but now it’s happening for real.

R426, why do you make shit up? Biden did not lie about Anita Hill. The Republicans savaged her at the hearing and people were horrified. Rightly or (I think) wrongly, he chose not to call the additional witnesses/accusers. He voted against Thomas in the committee and in the final vote.

This nominee was in no way normal. At the time, candidates would normally have retreated in shame. Biden is responsible for what he did, but so is Clarence Thomas and the people who shamefully pushed his nomination.

R435 Where did I say Biden lied about Anita Hill? and what shit did I make up? R426

WooWee. Look at Norma Rae @ R431/432 gettin' all fired up. You go girl.

We're just gonna hang back and make a few angry posts on social media. Maybe give the stink eye to a few of our Repub neighbors and co-workers. Put a bumper sticker or two on our cars. Who has time or energy for more than that? We have to keep up with Wordle and the next Netflix binge.

You're right, R437. Dems love to complain and make a big show of anger, but they are too lazy to vote.

You sound crazy, r419.

That kind of unhinged, all caps frautrage is completely tuned out by Republicans and many others because it’s been so overused.

You’re screaming into the void, how silly.

^Yes, so true. Conservatives love to mock liberals' angry tantrums and crocodile tears.

Get ready for more stories like this. No way should this woman have 7 kids.

R439, stop being a weak-ass bitch. It's doormats like you who are going to happily bend over and let the fascists fuck over this country.

Ignore the trolls here (and elsewhere). They are not representative of the world given us and the work that needs to be done.

We move forward. We do what we can do and we will defend the Republic. Social media is not reality. The victories will not be won here, but they will be won.

Dr Anthony Levatino again explaining abortion procedures specific to each of the three trimesters with graphics. Graphics depict a moving baby for the reason. See the vid.

Generic Ballot (National) Rep 45% Dem 40% 6/25-6/28 by YouGov (B+) 776 LV

Generic Ballot (National) Dem 47% Rep 41% 6/24-6/25 by Marist (higher rated than YouGov, which always skews Rep)

Polls are mixed, but there's been a significant movement toward Dem in the last week. My own guess is more movement after yesterday's testimonies. We'll see... all history would suggest the Reps win the mid-terms; opposition party almost always does. But the "blow out" predicted recently is getting less likely as summer comes.

Maybe women should stop having sex with every Tom, Dick, and Harry.

[quote]Polls are mixed, but there's been a significant movement toward Dem in the last week

This could be true. Wasn’t there a Nebraska congressional race where the Dem did shockingly well?

You first R447

[quote] Generic Ballot (National) Dem 47% Rep 41% 6/24-6/25 by Marist (higher rated than YouGov, which always skews Rep)

The problem with the Marist poll is that it was taken Friday and Saturday, when emotions were at their highest. The later polls, after a cool down, will be more indicative. Plus, in May it was at the high end of polls showing a Democratic lead. Most other polls that month had the Republicans ahead or the Democrats with a smaller lead, suggesting a built-in lean to Democrats currently with Marist.

That was traumatic to watch, R444. I didn't make it past the 2nd trimester abortion procedure. Horrific. This needs to be shared. People really don't know what this abortion is.

The irony is that there are probably a lot of women who are animal rights activists and vegans who have had abortions. These people hold very strong beliefs about protecting animals from harm, yet they don't have any qualms about a procedure that tears a 7" developing human apart limb from limb. A fully formed baby--- with arms, legs, ten fingers and toes, heart, lungs, brain and nervous system plus a fully formed skeleton.

I agree R451 that the video should be seen en masse. You should watch the segment detailing abortion procedure during the final trimester. A syringe filled with some lethal substance is injected through the "mother's" abdomen, into the uterus, and then directly into the baby itself. The drug stops the heart, and the child is killed. The pregnant woman will then go into labor and deliver the dead baby. Many of these babies would survive is birthed prematurely.

- R444

The doctor is a pro-life activist. The video is hardly a neutral telling.

^LOL, he aborted 1200+ babies.

^ In the early 1980s, before he became a pro-life activist.

Is killing babies inside the womb different in 2022?

R456, you don’t need a video. Your hysterics are on full display.

^Glad you are admitting defeat.

Now post a video showing the slow, agonizing deaths of women from septic miscarriages because the law prohibits abortion. Show their funerals and the grief of their husbands and children. While you're at it, show a video of women imprisoned for miscarrying while law enforcement decides whether they were responsible for the miscarriage. Show them in prison pondering both the loss of their baby and the possibility of a long prison sentence. Show all the consequences of outlawing abortion.

R459, that would YOUR opposing burden. There is absolutely no disputing the fact that abortion is used by many women as a form of birth control. Reference Sherri Shepherd, for example. My stance was simply to present the realities of abortion as pertains to the baby. I argue in favor of the living child. I never once posted anything which condemned a woman for aborting as a necessary medical emergency to preserve her own life.

- R444

What a barbaric and cruel procedure!

Nonsense, R460, you explicitly tell us to "watch the segment detailing abortion procedure during the final trimester"—when, under Roe v. Wade, there's there's no question of abortion except to ensure the life of the mother or her ability to bear children in the future. You're not arguing "in favor of the living child," you're arguing against permitting a woman to make a choice about bearing a child even when her own life is in danger. As for the earlier stages, your use of language like "baby" and "a form of birth control" is tendentious: an embryo is not a baby, and abortion because of the failure of birth control—let alone rape—isn't itself birth control.

Brothers and sisters, let's consult the Lord's word. Open your bibles to the book of Numbers. Numbers 5:

11 And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 12 “Speak to the people of Israel, If any man’s wife goes astray and breaks faith with him, 13 if a man rlies with her sexually, and it is hidden from the eyes of her husband, and she is undetected though she has defiled herself, and there is no witness against her, ssince she was not taken in the act, 14 and if the spirit of jealousy comes over him and he is jealous of his wife who has defiled herself, or if the spirit of jealousy comes over him and he is jealous of his wife, though she has not defiled herself, 15 then the man shall bring his wife to the priest and bring the offering required of her, a tenth of an ephah3 of barley flour. tHe shall pour no oil on it and put no frankincense on it, for it is a grain offering of jealousy, a grain offering of remembrance, ubringing iniquity to remembrance.

16 “And the priest shall bring her near and set her before the Lord. 17 And the priest shall take holy water in an earthenware vessel and take some of the dust that is on the floor of the tabernacle and put it into the water. 18 And the priest shall set the woman before the Lord and vunbind the hair of the woman’s head and place in her hands the grain offering of remembrance, which is the grain offering of jealousy. And in his hand the priest shall have the water of bitterness that brings the curse. 19 Then the priest shall make her take an oath, saying, ‘If no man has lain with you, and if you have not turned aside to uncleanness while you were under your husband’s authority, be free from this water of bitterness that brings the curse. 20 But if you have gone astray, though you are under your husband’s authority, and if you have defiled yourself, and some man other than your husband has lain with you, 21 then’ (let the priest make the woman take the oath of the curse, and say to the woman) w‘the Lord make you a curse and an oath among your people, when the Lord makes your thigh fall away and your body swell. 22 May this water that brings the curse xpass into your bowels and make your womb swell and your thigh fall away.’ And the woman shall say, y‘Amen, Amen.’

23 “Then the priest shall write these curses in a book and wash them off into the water of bitterness. 24 And he shall make the woman drink the water of bitterness that brings the curse, and the water that brings the curse shall enter into her and cause bitter pain. 25 And the priest shall take the grain offering of jealousy out of the woman’s hand zand shall wave the grain offering before the Lord and bring it to the altar. 26 And the priest ashall take a handful of the grain offering, as its memorial portion, and burn it on the altar, and afterward shall make the woman drink the water. 27 And when he has made her drink the water, then, if she has defiled herself and has broken faith with her husband, the water that brings the curse shall enter into her and cause bitter pain, and her womb shall swell, and her thigh shall fall away, and the woman bshall become a curse among her people. 28 But if the woman has not defiled herself and is clean, then she shall be free and shall conceive children.

29 “This is the law in cases of jealousy, when a wife, cthough under her husband’s authority, goes astray and defiles herself, 30 or when the spirit of jealousy comes over a man and he is jealous of his wife. Then he shall set the woman before the Lord, and the priest shall carry out for her all this law. 31 The man shall be free from iniquity, but the woman dshall bear her iniquity.”

Obviously sluts should not be able to access abortion.

Suggestion: FF the anti-choice troll and put him on ignore, instead of giving him the attention he so desperately craves.

[quote]Nonsense, [R460], you explicitly tell us to "watch the segment detailing abortion procedure during the final trimester"

Before you make ignorant comments, why don't you watch it, R462? If you did you would know that the vid describes abortion at every trimester in graphic detail, not just the third.

[quote]Suggestion: FF the anti-choice troll and put him on ignore, instead of giving him the attention he so desperately craves.

Suggestion: why don't you get your head out of your ass and really LOOK at what abortion is?

I'm okay with sorting out the difficulties of certain rare cases, R459. Don't point to the rare to invalidate the common. That doesn't work. The vast, VAST majority of abortions are for birth control.

R466, where did I say I hadn't watched the vid or that it didn't deal with all three trimesters? Of course it does; I was responding to R460's last sentence. Briefly, she is urging the brutality of abortion in the last trimester as an argument to ban it in then, at a stage when even under Roe it would be used only to save the mother's life/health: let the mother die rather than give her an abortion. Maybe *you* should read more carefully and not make ignorant comments. In any case, it's clear that R460/R444 etc. is probably the same right-wing troll who clogs up various threads with long-winded, circular, back-pedaling—and in this case inflammatory—nonsense and is not worth responding to except as R465 suggests.

[quote]I'm okay with sorting out the difficulties of certain rare cases, [R459]. Don't point to the rare to invalidate the common. That doesn't work. The vast, VAST majority of abortions are for birth control.

When you post a video about abortion in all stages of pregnancy, and explicitly recommend watching the later ones, you're telling us to ban abortion in those late stages—precisely when women need them to save their health or even life. It's the opposite of a rare situation in those stages (when abortions "for birth control," as you phrase it, is exceedingly rare). Don't obfuscate—or are you now backing off from your emphasis on the late stages?

[quote] the vid describes abortion at every trimester [bold]in graphic detail,[/bold]

Yeah, no agenda here.

Nuh uh.

Hey R462! What's so fucking difficult to comprehend, goddamnit? As if I didn't already express myself perfectly clearly. ***I*** feel that abortion is not okay as birth control. I damn sure feel that it's not right to murder a living child inside a uterus by drug, and certainly not by live dismemberment! I, agree, however, that in cases where the woman is certain to lose her own life to child birth that abortion then, and only then becomes necessary. I'm not playing any word games with you, pal. And I don't care who else said what else to whomever and whenever. MY opinion on the matter stands as stated. And if my posts aren't worth responding to, then why the hell did you respond?!! You don't get to sell people SHIT and then insist it's sugar. It's late term ABORTION! If the child be alive, then it's MURDER. Are you a proponent of murder? Are you? What dou you say to have your own self drawn and quartered?

FUCK OFF!

- R444/R460

^^ What a freak.

[quote] I, agree, however, that in cases where the woman is certain to lose her own life to child birth that abortion then, and only then becomes necessary

[quote]It's late term ABORTION! If the child be alive, then it's MURDER.

???

The fuck cares about this nobody’s opinion on abortion?

Okay. Last post. Abortion as birth control vs Abortion as life saving emergency for the expecting mother who would never have considered abortion otherwise. See the difference? No. It's not murder in the latter scenario, but a life-saving sacrifice. The circumstances dictate the terms. Contrasting, a promiscuous and irresponsible woman who doesn't take care to protect herself from becomming pregnant is another issue.

Okay. I'll even go here: Sherri Shepherd vs Any woman who's going to die by carrying her child to term or before.

Okay. Final comparison: A circle and an oval appear to be quite similar, yet they are not the same. There's a distinct difference.

Women should not retain the right to kill their own living babies legally and at will.

Finished.

What makes you think you get a say, R476?

The problem is that if one side goes to the extreme, then the other side follows suit and then it’s impossible to find middle ground. If one side pushes for abortion up to birth and choice for any reason, the other side goes for no abortion at any time for any reason.

[quote]If one side pushes for abortion up to birth and choice for any reason, the other side goes for no abortion at any time for any reason.

The former never happened, yet the latter happened anyway.

This is not a BOTH SIDES! issue.

Six million dead Jews = Holocaust

Sixty three million dead babies = Empowering Choice

You're welcome not to have any abortions, toots.

J’adore abortions!

I was opposed to abortion personally (life is sacred etc.) but thought it was a grey enough moral question that women need to make this decision by themselves.

But after the court's decision, hearing arguments on both side, going back to my own religious tradition to see what scripture and reason held, and, for sure, reading the extremist arguments against abortion here on DL and other social media sites.... I now abortion is fine, if a woman needs to decide that. So congrats Pro-Lifers, you pushed me all the way to Choice.

He breathed the [i]breath{i] of life....

^^If everyone watched R444's vid I guarantee the opposite would happen, It's easy shut your eyes, cover your ears and pretend it isn't murder when you don't have to see the reality of it.

We humans are very good at denial when something interferes with our freedoms and desires. I guess it's a similar disconnect to enjoying a juicy steak......but never wanting to think about how the animal was butchered.

Hefner and abortion advocates dedicated their life to make it so men had NO responsibility. Maybe the boys needed this slap to wake them up.

R484 and if you watched a woman slowly die a torturous death of sepsis because doctors refused to remove a miscarried infectious fetus from her body for fear of arrest, you'd see the reality of policing women's healthcare.

Then again YOU might not care. There are plenty of so=called pro lifers who'd give no second thought to that woman while crying over the fetus.

^C'mon. This is not happening, never happened and will never happen. Nice try though.

Excuse me?

R486, you can try, but there's no reasoning with this troll. They post a video where the abortions get more and more graphic, saying it will turn us against abortion. In the early stages it's just extracting an embryo—the troll says ban it! No abortion as birth control! In the later stages (when Roe, btw, was not at issue) it involves injections, dismemberment, etc.—the troll says (R472) they think that should be legal if it saves the mother. I.e. the more graphic the video gets, the more concessions the troll makes to legal abortion—and yet tells us the opposite.

Yes, I'm aware I've just tee'd up another pretzel-like diatribe from the troll. Sorry.

I think abortion is just the start, as eventually the same people screaming for abortions to be banned, will immediately set their sights on the LGBT community. They see abortions as just the start of on an ongoing war, which will eventually encompass gay marriage and all the progress that the gay community has made in the past three decades.

R490, Clarence Thomas made that clear in his concurrence to the Dobbs decision, where he said that the Court should reconsider (i.e. overturn) the decisions in Lawrence, Obergefell, and Griswold—they established a constitutional right to private consenting sex, gay marriage, and birth control.

R487 it is happening, has happened, and will keep happening. Thank you for giving me an excuse to highlight the story of Savita Halappanavar, the woman's whose death after a string of many similar ones is the reason abortion is now legal in majority-Catholic Ireland.

[quote]On 21 October 2012, Halappanavar, then 17 weeks pregnant, was examined at University Hospital Galway after complaining of back pain, but was soon discharged without a diagnosis. She returned to the hospital later that day, this time complaining of lower pressure, a sensation she described as feeling "something coming down", and a subsequent examination found that the gestational sac was protruding from her body. She was admitted to hospital, as it was determined that miscarriage was unavoidable, and several hours later, just after midnight on 22 October, her water broke but did not expel the fetus. The following day, on 23 October, Halappanavar discussed abortion with her consulting physician but her request was promptly refused, as Irish law at that time forbade abortion if a fetal heartbeat was still present. Afterwards, Halappanavar developed sepsis and, despite doctors' efforts to treat her, had a cardiac arrest at 1:09 AM on 28 October, at the age of 31, and died.

If you have the stomach, also look up Sheila Hodgers. Another martyr to the cause in Ireland although slightly different circumstances. Death by torture when doctors stopped treating her cancer to protect her fetus, refused an abortion despite knowing the fetus would not survive, and then refused to administer her painkillers during delivery despite her cancer ravaged body being in debilitating pain. The baby died immediately after birth and she shortly followed.

^ Those are "has happened." Here is a now-happening:

[quote]Doctors have denied an American woman on holiday in Malta a potentially life-saving abortion, despite saying her baby had a “zero chance” of survival after she was admitted to hospital with severe bleeding in her 16th week of pregnancy. Despite an “extreme risk” of haemorrhage and infection, doctors at the Mater Dei hospital in Msida told Andrea Prudente that they would not perform a termination because of the country’s total ban on abortion. Prudente and her husband are seeking a medical transfer from Malta to the UK, which the couple say is their only option due to the risk to her life. They claim medical staff were uncooperative in their attempts to leave and in sharing medical records with the couple’s insurance company.

Another recent easily preventable maternal death:

[quote]A Polish hospital said Tuesday that doctors and midwives did everything they could to save the lives of a pregnant woman and her fetus in a case that has put the spotlight on a new restriction on Poland’s abortion law. The 30-year-old woman died of septic shock in her 22nd week of pregnancy. Doctors did not perform an abortion, even though her fetus was lacking amniotic fluid, according to a lawyer for the family.

In MO this is how OB-GYNs have responded to the AG's overt threat re enforcement of the newly triggered abortion ban. And they still are not guaranteed protection from prosecution. "Medical emergency" is an affirmative defense--meaning the defendant doctor has to prove it was an emergency, the prosecutor does not have to prove there wasn't one.

[quote] C'mon. This is not happening, never happened and will never happen

It happens seldom in the U.S. because abortion has been legal. Now that the law prioritizes even an univable fetus's life over the woman's, it will start happening a lot more. Get your head out of your ass.

I see we have a true intellectual in our midst at R476.

All I know is that I've dodged a bullet - well, thirteen.

Mississippi legislators openly discuss using dogs at airports to sniff women leaving the state.

The dogs can tell if a woman is pregnant.

[quote]The dogs can tell if a woman is pregnant.

Why don’t women use that instead of home pregnancy tests?

[quote]Mississippi legislators openly discuss using dogs at airports to sniff women leaving the state.

That would backfire big time. Women would be fucking pissed at having a dog sniffing them up to see if they’re pregnant before boarding a plane. Even more so at seeing their daughters subjected to that.

^Insane pro-abortion propaganda.

Looking into it the dog story seems to be a "joke" from this guy.

Chip Franklin is an American talk show host, writer, producer, filmmaker, comedian and musician. He's hosted radio talk shows for 25+ years,{1994-2021} from Washington DC to San Francisco, on WMAL, WBAL, KOGO and most recently on KGO San Francisco. The Washington Post's Marc Fisher says "Franklin adds a rare dose of irony to a medium that rarely trusts its audience to get the joke."

It may have been just a joke but people believed it because they know Magats are capable of it.

Exactly

Pretty soon they’ll also ban gay marriage and pass a religious freedom law, where some fat sow will refuse to serve you at the checking counter because your gayness is offensive to her religious belief system.