More than a third of Republicans and Democrats today believe violence is justified to achieve their political ends, compared with less than a tenth apiece in 2017, the year Trump took office. His rhetoric opened the floodgates to separatist feelings. When one party loses, its voters feel as though their America is being occupied by a foreign power. America, Walter points out, has become “a factionalised anocracy” — the halfway state between autocracy and democracy — that is “quickly approaching the open insurgency stage”. Violence stalks America’s political language. As Stephen Marche, a Canadian novelist, writes in The Next Civil War, a richly imagined jeremiad about America’s coming disunion, the country “is one spectacular act of violence away from a national crisis”.
Is America heading for civil war?
|by Anonymous||reply 65||June 23, 2022 11:13 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 1||June 21, 2022 1:13 PM|
No, because most people want to live in peace, aside from some very vocal minorities on the Far Right and Far Left who want social anarchy.
|by Anonymous||reply 2||June 21, 2022 1:14 PM|
Short answer: We're already there.
|by Anonymous||reply 3||June 21, 2022 1:21 PM|
If we do I hope it's against trolls like Op
|by Anonymous||reply 4||June 21, 2022 1:23 PM|
It would be easier if the blue states were on one coast.
|by Anonymous||reply 5||June 21, 2022 1:25 PM|
I would bet it will be more like The Troubles than the OG Civil War. It is going to get ugly, though.
I live in the part of Oregon that definitely wants to throw in with Idaho, so I'd have to move as soon as that started to be imminent.
|by Anonymous||reply 6||June 21, 2022 1:29 PM|
Some in Texas want to secede. Much of the South does. That desire has never left in much of the South. Hopefully, this time round they will be allowed to go without a war. The Soviet Union broke apart without a war. It can happen here. The Blue states hate, demean & insult the red states. Let them go in peace. Those who wish to be in Blue states can go.
So many businesses have gone to red states. If there was a split more would go & there would be no need for any Blue state money.
|by Anonymous||reply 7||June 21, 2022 1:32 PM|
Violence of one class or another is inevitable because Americans are an angry, violent people. I think that before they haul out the AK-47s pursuant to blowing away anyone and everyone they don't like, the last extant reasonable voices will opine what I've been opining for years.
That America is far too overpopulated and unwieldy to successfully administer, and that Americans no longer give a fuck about the entity called the United States. With little understanding of how the rest of the world survives, Americans take so much for granted, are ignorant to indifferent to contemptuous of their history and all that they have, have abrogated or lost the ability to look further than their own nose/needs, are neither interested much less invested in anything that passes for social cohesion. This is evident from the increased social anarchy/daily violence, the woeful lack of leaders/leadership, and what should be most alarming, the cultural imperative to scapegoat others for perceived social dysfunction and ills.
The best thing Americans can do to avoid social Armageddon is to break up into more manageable entities, which, if nothing else, will re-establish the social cohesion necessary for future existence, as well as greatly increase the administrative abilities for greater quality of life for all.
|by Anonymous||reply 8||June 21, 2022 1:38 PM|
Republicans in the South and the Mountain states are more supportive of secession than Democrats and Independents.
Democrats on the Pacific Coast and Northeast are more supportive of secession than Republicans and Independents.
Independents in the Midwest are more supportive of secession that Republicans and Democrats.
|by Anonymous||reply 9||June 21, 2022 1:40 PM|
@r7, You're kidding, right? 😂
|by Anonymous||reply 10||June 21, 2022 1:40 PM|
Divide and conquer, divide and conquer. The troll creed 😒
|by Anonymous||reply 11||June 21, 2022 1:41 PM|
Absolutely not to breaking the country up. What happens when Red Landia wants something that is in Blue Landia, or Mexico, or Canada? They'll try to take it. There's no way we'll be good, peaceful neighbors.
|by Anonymous||reply 12||June 21, 2022 1:42 PM|
It'll be over race. Again.
|by Anonymous||reply 13||June 21, 2022 1:42 PM|
The North East and CA can be mother USA and terrorize the smaller member States.
|by Anonymous||reply 14||June 21, 2022 1:42 PM|
There will be no civil war, since this time the threat is of a takeover of the government itself. The Republicans aren't seceding (and the division isn't geographical this time; it's mixed up within regions of the country), they're clamping down on elections, rigging the system, and committing outright insurrection in order to take complete control over the levels of power. Their models are Putin's Russia, Orbán's Hungary, Erdoğan's Turkey, etc.
|by Anonymous||reply 15||June 21, 2022 1:44 PM|
If they had clusters of USA states break up into little countries with their own governments, whose to say they wouldn't start invading and colonizing each other?
|by Anonymous||reply 16||June 21, 2022 1:46 PM|
[quote] What happens when Red Landia wants something that is in Blue Landia, or Mexico, or Canada? They'll try to take it.
Americans have both the former Yugoslavia and Soviet Union as guides to what happens when disparate people no longer want to live together. Yes, some conflict over who gets what and how much. But the desire not to have to live with one another overrides ego. Every time.
|by Anonymous||reply 17||June 21, 2022 1:47 PM|
I don't think there will be a Civil War. Most people are centrist and are tired of the extremists in both parties; the problem is in the corrupt political system that favors entrenched politicians taking their own while fanning the flames of divide and conquer.
|by Anonymous||reply 18||June 21, 2022 1:49 PM|
r2 Problem is.. the parties are more than willing to give in to those vocal minorities...
one would think democrats would rejoice that the republican party has all but been destroyed ... conservative intellectualism has finally gone the way of the anti-intellectualism of the boomer that value feelings of the moment over pragmaticism.
but that's not good enough for members of the dems that drag out their own dead, prop them up on crosses, as their values teeter from one side to the other because they've chipped away at the ballast for far too long.. they have no center, they reject their foundation, and willing to say anything, do anything except commit to self sacrifice... so, they stoke their body into a frenzy to distract them from the once respectable heads unable to give up their excess and extravagance.
but of the primary parties, their sacrificial lambs and scapegoats have no viable plapce to go. for dercades, we've been bound more to not voting for the other candidate than truly voting for the party's best candidates. . . now we've reached the apex of thsoe schemes that run on par with the mythos of cherry trees.
to dare hold your favored party in high esteem is to become an enemy of it as love is not limited to indulgence.
|by Anonymous||reply 19||June 21, 2022 1:50 PM|
Most people didn't want war in 1861, either.
|by Anonymous||reply 20||June 21, 2022 1:50 PM|
Well, if we are heading for war, I am sure Texas will show us how it is done.
|by Anonymous||reply 21||June 21, 2022 1:58 PM|
More likely a divorce. A messy divorce.
|by Anonymous||reply 22||June 21, 2022 2:23 PM|
it's not only the parties, of course.
the homogenization of diversity has led to this state of the millions of bloody things we never say because end of the day, my interests get stripped down to the demographics I belong to. In those demographics, I find I'm more silenced from supporting and even more criticizing my communities because we're under constant threat from the external to ever be invested in our own self interests. . . locally or nationally. There is no safe space among the left nor the right, just as many abandon the very thought of "community' as antithetical to individual liberty.
it's the extreme wings of either side where my very life is at the threat for such communities, even if I were to be extremely individualistic rather than tribalistic. . . the hate on the right is more obvious the hate on the left is romanticized and often goes unchallenged. But the right, of course, is unable to deal with its problem either. Both partiers embrace and use them as casual tools and weapons against the other and as an outlet for the most frustated within their wings. . . but they're not so easily controlled and they've infected the wider body, where they flourish in constant opposition to external force... even a morbidly obese DL'er can stand on a shotglass without it cracking but only as long as the force remains equally applied, distributed...
Many would think this is strictly an American problem, but it's far from being one.,.. our demographics are becoming too homogenized, reduced to exaggerated costumes bought wholesale.,. the individuals beneath them part of the faceless, voiceless mass. . . tokenized by attributes. I'm not given the choice of being a whore, I'm trafficked into being one as I represent no other value to the politics that has become prominent within both politics, society, popular culture and community.
It's like why I retreat here of all places. I still say bloody nothing and isolate myself, and yet walking this imaginary line because of the threat it represents both from those abstract forces internally and externally that divide us under the pretext of so called unity.
|by Anonymous||reply 23||June 21, 2022 2:23 PM|
I don't think so, at least not in our lifetimes. Unfortunately we seem to be stuck where we are with the increasingly radicalized and regressive Republicans almost certainly soon to wield absolute power. There is simply no way forward for this country with them having done and continuing to do damage to our institutions and tormenting, close to terrorizing, certain minorities. It's going to be miserable for the next several decades.
|by Anonymous||reply 24||June 21, 2022 2:27 PM|
I agree with R24. We're in for some dark times, but armed conflict is some years off, I think. We may get close when the next Democrat is elected president and is denied office by the Republicans.
|by Anonymous||reply 25||June 21, 2022 2:31 PM|
Nah. Most people who run their mouth on the internet are not about to actually start shooting at each other.
Think of it as Snakes on a Plane 2 or, if you like, We Need to End the Electoral College. Noise, with little result.
Don't get me wrong - pretty sure we're doomed, just not with civil war in the near future.
|by Anonymous||reply 26||June 21, 2022 2:35 PM|
Gee, do you think civil war would hurt the economy?
|by Anonymous||reply 27||June 21, 2022 2:37 PM|
Blue states have the money. Red states have the guns. Will the succession states invade NY and CA when the federal welfare they get is cut off?
|by Anonymous||reply 28||June 21, 2022 2:39 PM|
Kind of scary here that so many ignorant posters think that democrats are as violent as republicans. Or that the insanity comes from both sides. Liberals show up to these fights with a knife, Republicans with an atom bomb, prepared to blow the entire country sky high if they could.
|by Anonymous||reply 29||June 21, 2022 2:43 PM|
Yes. Since it's all the same factions and battle lines being drawn, it's clear the first one never really settled anything. We would be so much better off if we had just let the south go.
|by Anonymous||reply 30||June 21, 2022 2:44 PM|
R2 is a moron and a big part of why we're here.
|by Anonymous||reply 31||June 21, 2022 2:45 PM|
That's true r29. Also the "far left" has zero power. How may states do they govern (or should I say rule) and how many are on the Supreme Court compared to the right wing?
|by Anonymous||reply 32||June 21, 2022 2:47 PM|
In what sense has the Dem party "given in" to "far left activists"?
Have all police departments across the country been banned?
Do we have universal health care?
Is there a gulag archipelago of TERFs?
I can never tell if idiots like that are dumb or cynical.
|by Anonymous||reply 33||June 21, 2022 2:53 PM|
The "far left" wants healthcare, education, respect for trans folks and immigrants. Actually, scratch that. The center-left wants those things, but our political spectrum is so skewed rightward now that most Americans don't even know what the center even is. Actual far left is Communism, the forceful seizure and redistribution of wealth -- think landlords being dragged into the streets and beaten to death, every industry taken over by the new overlords, show trials for Capitalists, etc. THAT is the far left, and the USA has never even gotten close to anything like that.
But the "far right?" The actual far right, as recognized in other countries? That's Trumpism and we're already there.
All of you "both sides" morons are useful idiots like R2 at best, and crypto fascists at worst.
|by Anonymous||reply 34||June 21, 2022 2:55 PM|
[quote] most Americans don't even know what the center even is.
"Most Americans" are far smarter than "liberals" give them credit for. And that's the problem with the Left. Too many dictators believing that they know what's best. Without ever asking the voter.
|by Anonymous||reply 35||June 21, 2022 2:58 PM|
Always remember that Christian Republicans are eagerly awaiting the apocalypse.
|by Anonymous||reply 36||June 21, 2022 3:02 PM|
r31 go fuck yourself. You are trying to radicalize society and you are failing.
|by Anonymous||reply 37||June 21, 2022 3:16 PM|
The Southern Poverty Law Center recently published a poll on Partisanship and Violence; the results were surprising:
44% of young male Democratic voters expressed approval for "assassinating a politician who is harming the country or our democracy," compared to 34% of young male Republicans.
Conversely, 40% of young female Republicans expressed approval for the same statement, compared to 32% of young female Democrats.
|by Anonymous||reply 38||June 21, 2022 3:17 PM|
r32 the far left has psychological power over great sways of the public. That's why they have brainwashed a generation into becoming transgender and encouraged them to lay claim to women's spaces.
|by Anonymous||reply 39||June 21, 2022 3:17 PM|
[quote]r32 the far left has psychological power over great sways of the public.
Anyone who posts propaganda like this post January 6th is a full blown fascist.
|by Anonymous||reply 40||June 21, 2022 3:20 PM|
Immigrants from war-torn, gang-infested countries are actually secretly pining for war.n You know who they are, the ones who fuck up America to no end these days.
|by Anonymous||reply 41||June 21, 2022 3:32 PM|
No, but the Republican party's policy of cheering on right wing fanatics while encouraging them to stockpile military grade weapons has gifted us with a million little terror cells all over the country
|by Anonymous||reply 42||June 21, 2022 4:41 PM|
How would a Civil War even work in today's world. It was different in 1865 when there was only guns, cannons and bad attitudes combined. It was easy to divide the country when nobody went any place and stayed on the plantation their whole lives. But, what would a modern day Civil War even look like? Could it affect cyberspace, bank accounts ~ like Putin is doing to the people in Russia? Who is in control in a Civil War? Is it time to hoard money in the mattress with a gun in our hand?
|by Anonymous||reply 43||June 21, 2022 7:36 PM|
I’m not sure but I feel like everyday America has turned in to a DMV in the bad part of town
|by Anonymous||reply 44||June 21, 2022 7:41 PM|
[quote] Most people who run their mouth on the internet are not about to actually start shooting at each other.
r26 I beg to differ.
|by Anonymous||reply 45||June 21, 2022 7:41 PM|
Yep, and DevilSantos is starting it in Florida.
|by Anonymous||reply 46||June 21, 2022 9:14 PM|
Hey, I got a gun and $10,000 in twenty dollar bills. I figure I'm ready for what comes.
|by Anonymous||reply 47||June 21, 2022 9:24 PM|
The DL has had a civil war troll for at least 15 years. She gets hard thinking about it.
|by Anonymous||reply 48||June 21, 2022 9:44 PM|
This started under Obama. He was so incredibly divisive.
|by Anonymous||reply 49||June 21, 2022 9:55 PM|
[quote]Is America heading for civil war?
Yes, and the sooner the better so that we can defeat the magats and restore the republic to pre-donald status.
|by Anonymous||reply 50||June 21, 2022 10:17 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 51||June 21, 2022 10:22 PM|
wow sum sick bitches up in yere
|by Anonymous||reply 52||June 21, 2022 10:25 PM|
Gay porn actor Ricky Larkin is ready:
|by Anonymous||reply 53||June 21, 2022 10:48 PM|
[quote]Nah. Most people who run their mouth on the internet are not about to actually start shooting at each other.
Right, there are never any shootings in the United States. Have you been in a coma for the past several decades?
|by Anonymous||reply 54||June 22, 2022 10:42 AM|
There have been mass shootings in the US for as long as I can remember. I can't remember that anyone has convincingly tied them to a single political ideology.
|by Anonymous||reply 55||June 22, 2022 11:01 AM|
You mean, the Balkanization of the United Stares? Rr8.
The problem with this scenario is that the southern, deep red states cannot support themselves without DEM blue, coastal states. They are too stupid and backward. They cling to their bibles and desecrate everything in it. If they were to secede, they would immediately enslave their entire black populations. The blue states will refuse to trade with them due to genocide and slavery.
The red states will go bankrupt without the money to fund their welfare military population. Without our Federal tax dollars from mostly blue, money-generating states, they will not receive the 4% of our national GDP welfare, free housing, free healthcare, free college, subsidized food (NEX), etc. in exchange for offering themselves as our nation’s cannon fodder. The blue states financially support the red states. If we cut them off, on the other hand, the blue states can easily adapt and sustain ourselves with our superior education and entrepreneurship. The same cannot be said of any southern red state.
So take your wet dream somewhere else. This store is closed.
|by Anonymous||reply 56||June 22, 2022 11:52 AM|
R55. Isn’t it only the Pukes and their sucking NRA cocks that refuse to set any limits on guns? Are you for real? Seriously, ‘there have been masks shootings’…tied to any, single ideology? Are you on a ‘shroom diet or something? Of course it is the far out right ideology that feeds into mass shooting.
Maybe can you share your shrooms with me so I can’t get upset with your bs.
|by Anonymous||reply 57||June 22, 2022 12:01 PM|
The red states would also lose a ton of their economies as people and companies would flee cities like Atlanta, Dallas, Austin and Houston rather than be caught behind the red curtain. These cities are economic engines of their states and without them they all become Mississippi.
|by Anonymous||reply 58||June 22, 2022 12:11 PM|
[quote]More than a third of Republicans and Democrats today believe violence is justified to achieve
i'm so very sorry, a third of democrats? as I life-long der I know NO ONE who is justifying violence. this is clap-trap and nothing else
|by Anonymous||reply 59||June 22, 2022 12:13 PM|
Sorry, meany ‘there has NOT been mass shootings’…
|by Anonymous||reply 60||June 22, 2022 12:15 PM|
OP was wrong (or lying). It's not 1/3rd of both Republicans and Democrats.
[quote]“The percentage of Americans who say violent action against the government is justified at times stands at 34%, which is considerably higher than in past polls by the Post or other major news organisations dating back more than two decades.
[quote]“The view is partisan: The new survey finds 40% of Republicans, 41% of independents and 23% of Democrats saying violence is sometimes justified.”
|by Anonymous||reply 61||June 22, 2022 12:35 PM|
Welp, now members of Congress in the House Select committee/ Jan. 6 commission will have around the clock security detail. Doesn’t sound good. Now both Supreme Court members and Congressmen will require security. It won’t take long.
|by Anonymous||reply 62||June 23, 2022 8:49 AM|
No, it won't take long for all politicians, and everyone else, to have security details. Poor Secret Service.
|by Anonymous||reply 63||June 23, 2022 10:44 AM|
One of the things that needs to be pointed out over and over is that Trump isn't THAT popular in the Repig party. It's just that his more ardent followers are violent psychopaths so anyone who crosses him deals with death threats and rape threats and loonies showing up at your house.
But, sure. Both sides. I mean Bernie Bros did do some salty tweets.
|by Anonymous||reply 64||June 23, 2022 10:54 AM|
[quote] You mean, the Balkanization of the United Stares? Rr8. The problem with this scenario is that the southern, deep red states cannot support themselves without DEM blue, coastal states.
R56 None of the former Yugoslav states can support themselves. Most rely on tourism or international handouts. Same can be said about the FSU, though some of the former states are in a better financial position.
The point to breaking up is to ensure a far greater ability to self-administer as well as an increase in quality of life. It will also serve to somewhat reduce America's entrenched anger/violence. Look no further than your post for example.
|by Anonymous||reply 65||June 23, 2022 11:13 AM|