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As a Gay Child in a Christian Cult, I Was Taught to Hate Myself. Then I Joined the Church of Social Justice—and Nothing Change

LONG article, but worth reading. Here is a sample:

“I’ve noticed that enmity toward “cis” gay men (which often seems a lot like straight up homophobia) has begun to permeate LGBT publications and social media, without any sort of consequences. In a 2020 New Yorker article, for instance, trans/nonbinary writer Masha Gessen (they/them) explained why Pete Buttigieg, the former Democratic candidate for president (and now Joe Biden’s transportation secretary), isn’t “gay enough.” Gessen analyzed the Buttigieg phenomenon through the lens of intersectionality, a modern theoretical framework that formulates a hierarchy of disadvantage. The greater the disadvantage you suffer, the more immunity from criticism you enjoy, and the more mercy you command from the Church of Social Justice.

“Gessen reduced the whole of “queer” America into two groups: the group of queers who can hide their queerness and the group of queers who cannot. The author contends that it’s this categorization that determines a queer person’s political worldviews—worldviews which Gessen similarly reduces to two categories. First is the worldview of queers who “pass,” which says “to straight people, ‘we are just like you, and all we want is the right to have what you have: marriage, children, a house with a picket fence, and the right to serve in the military.’” Second is the worldview of queers who cannot pass, which is “rooted in ideas of liberation, revolutionary change, and solidarity.” Gessen adds, “I am not saying that L.G.B.T. people who don’t pass are somehow morally superior to L.G.B.T. people who do.” But then the author goes on to quote an open letter by a group called Queers Against Pete that describes queers who cannot pass as people “who are clear that LGBTQIA people are directly and disproportionately impacted by police violence, incarceration, unaffordable healthcare, homelessness, deportation, and economic inequality.” Queers who can pass (the “more mainstream” ones), on the other hand, are those who “aim to erase difference.” The suggestion here is that since Buttigieg is not a gender-nonconforming ex-con raising an immigrant child on a socialist commune on Portland’s outskirts, he is, Gessen concludes, an “essentially conservative” “straight politician in a gay man’s body”—and so not up to intersectional snuff for the more authentic half of queer America.

“This attitude, which has permeated much of LGBT media in recent years, offers one explanation for the sharp uptick in the number of gay men and women who now identify under the umbrella of “trans/nonbinary.” As I’ve told friends over the last few years, were I to dye my hair purple, start painting my nails and wearing eyeliner, and change my pronouns, I would experience less anti-gay hostility in the “queer” community, since I would have visibly rejected “cis-heteronormativity.” In fact, my change would also be taken as a signal that I’d adopted a whole set of acceptable politics and beliefs, including the belief that people are attracted to others on the basis of their internally felt gender, as opposed to their biological sex.”

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by Anonymousreply 29April 25, 2022 2:46 AM

What a load of bullshit.

[quote] “Gessen reduced the whole of “queer” America into two groups: the group of queers who can hide their queerness and the group of queers who cannot.

Oh, you mean, like queers who don't dye their hair in a loud color like blue and pink and those who don't? Oh, he gets into specifics. The moderates can pass, the extremist progressives can't. Spoken like a true right wing cersonative gay Republican. Love those.

[quote] Then I Joined the Church of Social Justice—and Nothing Change

He brought his baggage with him, and things didn't change? Well, must be the other people's fault!

by Anonymousreply 1April 22, 2022 8:05 AM

[quote]In an article for The Daily Beast, writer Alex Leo described Quillette as "a site that fancies itself intellectually contrarian but mostly publishes right-wing talking points couched in grievance politics"

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by Anonymousreply 2April 22, 2022 8:07 AM

Alex Leo is full of shit, R3.

by Anonymousreply 3April 22, 2022 3:18 PM

Quillette is fascist trash and so are you, OP.

by Anonymousreply 4April 22, 2022 3:22 PM

R4 is a non-binary Marxist.

by Anonymousreply 5April 22, 2022 3:25 PM

Quillette tends classical liberal/libertarian. The opposite of fascist. Name calling is not an argument.

by Anonymousreply 6April 22, 2022 3:26 PM

R4 is a person who is used to winning arguments by name calling and shaming opponents. That is working less and less now. They are confused because of that.

by Anonymousreply 7April 22, 2022 3:28 PM

My big question is, after escaping one church, why join another? It’s often happens with other radicals and addicts, but with some people things must be black or white.

I learned and removed myself from a very religious upbringing but I didn’t then seek to gain the full and complete acceptance of other gays. I lived my life and learned not to worry about what other people thought about me. This guy is just addicted to approval and if he doesn’t get ALL of it, that means he’s been completely rejected.

by Anonymousreply 8April 22, 2022 3:34 PM

R8, the writer was diagnosed with OCD and appears to have a really high level of anxiety.

by Anonymousreply 9April 22, 2022 3:38 PM

R8 I've been listening to podcasts about cults on my work commute and apparently it is not unusual for someone to leave a cult and join another. Perhaps they have a need to be controlled or to believe someone has all the answers. Especially if that's all they have known.

by Anonymousreply 10April 22, 2022 3:40 PM

Queer = ugly straight chicks with pink hair who can't get laid and fat gynephiles.

by Anonymousreply 11April 22, 2022 3:40 PM

L - females attracted to females

G - males attracted to males

B - males and females attracted to both males and females

T - people who think they were born in the wrong body and need medical intervention or else they'll just kill themselves

Q - straight people who think straight people are boring

+ - more options for narcissists, gay, straight, or bi, to call themselves

by Anonymousreply 12April 22, 2022 4:02 PM

So now wanting to be an intern at GLAAD constitutes willingly joining a cult? I think that says more about GLAAD than it does about the author.

by Anonymousreply 13April 22, 2022 4:04 PM

Why do people like r2 and r4 always attack the media/platform publishing the article rather than engage with the merits (or possible lack therof) of the argument in the article itself?

by Anonymousreply 14April 22, 2022 4:34 PM

R14, more importantly, when has Quillette ever published anything against gay people? Why do so many gay people on Datalounge hate Quillette?

When I think of "right-wing," I think of evangelical Christianity and cutting taxes.

Quillette is not that, it just dissents from left-wing talking points. Occasionally, it dissents from right-wing talking points as well.

by Anonymousreply 15April 22, 2022 4:42 PM

The reason the right-wing trolls infesting DL are pushing Quillette is because it publishes articles like this:

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by Anonymousreply 16April 22, 2022 10:41 PM

Quilette? Couldn't you just cut through the bullshit, OP, and link to some right wing outlet that's not trying to hide its agenda under a mask?

by Anonymousreply 17April 22, 2022 10:47 PM

Yeah ok the acceptance of biology makes me a right-wing troll.

by Anonymousreply 18April 22, 2022 10:47 PM

A fair assessment of Quillette:

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by Anonymousreply 19April 22, 2022 10:48 PM

[quote]R18: Yeah ok the acceptance of biology makes me a right-wing troll.

No, it's a matter of you pushing what are essentially teleological arguments about biology. Such arguments fail to demonstrate the existence of God, nor can they be used to advance a conservative agenda regarding gender.

by Anonymousreply 20April 22, 2022 10:56 PM

My GOD, are there no such things as editors at Quillette? Every article is like hiking 10 miles through sludge. This could have been expressed in 1000-1500 words.

by Anonymousreply 21April 23, 2022 12:09 AM

Quillette: The place for thoughtful people who like the sound of their own voice

by Anonymousreply 22April 23, 2022 12:36 AM

R19, it lost me at "far-right."

by Anonymousreply 23April 23, 2022 3:01 AM

[quote]it lost me at "far-right."

Of course it would, OP /R3 /R5 /R9 /R15 /R23, because you are far-right.

by Anonymousreply 24April 23, 2022 4:01 AM

R24, define “far-right.”

by Anonymousreply 25April 25, 2022 1:15 AM

He still hates himself and seemingly always will. I never gave a fig what anyone else thought of me. In fact I was that way from such a young age my mother was convinced there was something wrong with me. Nope,I just realized that others opinions meant nothing to me.

by Anonymousreply 26April 25, 2022 1:22 AM

Exactly r12

by Anonymousreply 27April 25, 2022 1:39 AM

I hate it when parentheses are over-used.

by Anonymousreply 28April 25, 2022 2:11 AM

[quote]R25: define “far-right.”

First you say that RationalWiki's article on Quillette 'lost you at "far-right," but now you're asking me to define it, either because you're pretending you don't know what it is, or you think I'm incapable of defining it. (Psst! It's not just a difference of opinion.) The RationalWiki article does a fair job at explaining what they mean by the expression. To wit:

[quote]𝑸𝒖𝒊𝒍𝒍𝒆𝒕𝒕𝒆 is a far-right "academic"[note 1] online magazine that tries to present itself as centrist and libertarian, when in reality it serves to legitimize and propagate many views shared by the alt-right. For example, Quillette regularly publishes wingnuttery-laden articles from a strongly conservative and reactionary viewpoint that are anti-feminist, xenophobic, Islamophobic, homophobic and transphobic, with several articles outright endorsing racialism and HBD ("human-biodiversity") eugenicist pseudoscience, popular among white nationalists and Neo-Nazis. Quillette has also published an article defending Noah Carl, a far-right pseudoscientist who regularly writes Islamophobic screeds in the OpenPsych pseudojournals.[2] In the media, Quillette is often described as an "intellectual dark web" due to the fringe nature of their content.[3][4] Predictably, Quillette has jumped on the Jordan Peterson bandwagon and has published several articles supporting his ideology,[5][6][7] although they did criticize his religious fundamentalism.[8]

Or you can try this site and its definition of far right extremism:

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by Anonymousreply 29April 25, 2022 2:46 AM
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