Big John Fetterman Pulls Away in Penn. Dem Senate Primary

It's still early. I know poc have accused him of being a racist because he chased a black man who was trespassing in his back yard in the middle of the night. Fetterman had a gun, which he was legally registered to carry.

I don't know Fetterman's whole history with racial issues, but I don't see how that incident makes him racist. If anyone, regardless of color, was trespassing on his private property in the middle of the night, doesn't he have the right to protect his property?

He was mayor at the time and was pretty well known.

He'll have fun mocking Dr. Oz or what ever Reptile he runs against.

I thought Fetterman was trailing Conor Lamb by a mile?

I’m praying for Dr. Oz, r2.

I'm praying for Conor Lamb. Why must the gorgeous men get steamrolled? As Selena Myers said in Veep, "I hate this country."

[QUOTE] I thought Fetterman was trailing Conor Lamb by a mile?

Lamb never once had a lead. He never should’ve entered the race. Thought he’d come sailing in as a white knight cause he looks good in a suit. Pennsylvanians want something different.

This is great news!

r6 PA voters are stupid. He does look good and could have been president. I hope he runs for Governor or something because we need more hot Democrats. Republicans have lots of attractive white men in their ranks. Where are our SeanCody politicians?

I think when you're pretty it doesn't matter how you wear your hair.

Let’s hope it’s not a Republican tsunami. If so, all bets are off.

Fetterman has a rapport with working class voters, plus he’s on the right side of Dem social issues as well. He’s the current Lt. Governor so he has good experience in government. He will definitely have to address the issue at r1, which I’m sure he and his advisors are prepared for.

Fetterman is a loose canon. Wild card. Unpredictable. Remember: When someone shows you who they are....believe them. What has he DONE?

R12 please give us evidence he’s a loose cannon. He’s all for working class issues, does that make him a loose cannon? He’s also for social/liberal issues (hey, they might actually complement each other!).

[QUOTE] I hope he runs for Governor or something because we need more hot Democrats.

The next Governor will be Josh Shapiro, so Lamb isn’t needed there either. He can stay right where he is (you realize he’s a Democratic elected official, R8?).

I’m sure he’ll be a perennial VP favorite for all the female or person of color Dem presidential nominees over the next few decades. “You need a boring, clean cut white man on that ticket for suburban moms—how’sabout Conor Lamb?”

I love Josh Shapiro, such a great guy for many years for the areas he represented. I still see him out and about in his neighborhood.

Btw, check out Fetterman’s Wiki. He’s an out and out liberal. He’s for a wealth tax as well as Medicare for all.

R15 So is Bernie.

He’s not an avowed socialist however, R16. Nor is he an independent using the Democratic Party for fundraising.

Yes, but Bernie isn’t running for PA’s Senate seat r16.

Fetterman is much more interesting when being recorded rather than still photos btw. He does not take good photos, he’s better in person.

[QUOTE] He does not take good photos, he’s better in person.

Same.

Bernie is a socialist, R16. So, no thanks.

He's not a black woman so how could he be a Democrat?

Will Black voters, key to the base, show up in November to vote for him? That's the key question.

The Democratic party needs people who look like Fetter man, TBH. The GOP have somehow, some way, gotten themselves a monopoly on the idea of the masculine man, and Fetterman blows that idea to pieces.

[QUOTE] Will Black voters, key to the base, show up in November to vote for him? That's the key question.

Yes.

Agree, R24. Fetterman's "look" will appeal to many who are turned off by smoother looking Democrats. He's exactly who and what we need to be competitive in Pennsylvania.

Democrats still need to try and pass the voting rights act at the federal level. I don't understand how they expect to win in November. Making it hard to vote for your key demographic isn't a smart move. Democrats have really dropped the ball on that on, along with other key issues.

R23: Fetterman was mayor of a majority Black town for multiple terms. Clearly you nothing of his bio or his appeal. There's a film about Braddock (the town) that features him.

R27, you’re implying the Dems have something to do with this rash of anti voter laws. You couldn’t be more wrong. There are way more Dems in this country than Repukes. But the Repukes vote and get to pass all these horrible laws.

Long history of PA politicians losing statewide races before winning them so Connor Lamb isn't done. His campaign never caught traction.

If its a red wave year, Fetterman loses. PA is not a state that bucks the trends. The blue collar former dems, now Trump voters, will not be supporting him in any decent numbers. He may have a problem with black turnout--Republicans will spend millions "educating" black voters about the incident while mayor. He will have a problem in the vote rich, white collar Philly suburbs that gave Biden his entire statewide margin.

Fetterman CAN win. At best, it's 50/50.

I like that he didn’t get into politics because of some long-running career plan to climb his way to the Oval Office, but because he actually wanted to help fix real issues.

Do tell, r27, *how* did they drop the ball? What exactly can they do to get that Voting Rights Act passed that they aren't doing?

Fetterman looks intimidating and won't put up with nonsense. I bet he can hold his own against the repub traitors. I like him.

He looks, talks and acts more like a Marine than Conor Lamb does.

He reminds me of that wrestler from Minnesota. Jesse Ventura.

He does, r35. Jesse Ventura was supposedly a Libertarian but is more conventionally liberal in todays times.

I only wish Fetterman didn't dress like such a goddamn loser.

Work shirts, sweatpants, hoodies. He looks fucking unemployed!

R37, black women went ballistic on Twitter because he was wearing shorts when he attended an event that Pres. Biden was at. They thought he was so disrespectful.

I have mixed feelings about that. On one hand, yeah, maybe he should have dressed more appropriately, but on the other, he is authentic and isn't trying to be something he's not.

I really didn't think it was that big a deal to get so outraged over, it was a small faux pas and he was just sitting in the audience, not coming up on stage or making a speech or anything.

I think they're going to pick on him no matter what he does or doesn't do.

R28 "Authentic" my fat, white ass! This isn't about his personal brand as an everyman. This is about having the brains and the damn decency to dress like a grown-ass man!

Even poor people know that there are some jobs - and some occasions - where it's expected to dress your best. He's the state's Lieutenant Governor, which isn't a vital role, but it's still a job involving the administration of the entire Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. They pay his salary and he helps solve their problems. The least the bum can do is dress like he respects that job and gives it the dignity it deserves.

Sorry, that was meant for R38

Don't get your caftan in a bunch R39.

R39 At least a caftan is more tasteful to wear in public than this walking Carhartt catalog would know!

R42, You've never been to Reading, Pa., have you?

R43 No, I've never been that curious to see how America's meth is cooked.

R44, sure… nobody in the big cities does meth.

R45 If it weren't for the unemployable tractor jockeys in places like Reading who'll do anything to feed themselves (except go to college or move), we'd have to switch back to pills!

R38: Nice try, racist troll.

Fakkerman is a fucking lying loser. Progressive my ass.

R48 = Kenyatta's gay-ass husband, who is surprisingly not white!

[QUOTE] I only wish Fetterman didn't dress like such a goddamn loser. Work shirts, sweatpants, hoodies. He looks fucking unemployed!

[QUOTE] black women went ballistic on Twitter because he was wearing shorts when he attended an event that Pres. Biden was at. They thought he was so disrespectful.

While I’m a big Fetterman supporter, I must admit that these posts made me choke on my lunch from laughing. Yes, I wish John was a little less Walmart and more Today’s Man but hey, maybe that’s what got him this far.

Fetterman is the guy who comes to a nice restaurant wearing sweatpants while I’m in slacks and a sport coat. That drives me up the wall, but most Americans are like him today.

[quote]He’s all for working class issues, does that make him a loose cannon? He’s also for social/liberal issues (hey, they might actually complement each other!).

Fetterman is one of the few Democrats who can pull off this dichotomy. He’s in support of liberal issues, but he has huge appeal among working class whites and people who hate “elitists”. He’ll do very well in a PA statewide race.

Conor Lamb is a DINO who will be as useless as Joe Manchin in the Senate. Voted with Trump’s agenda 70% of the time.

R51: The people who harbor nostalgia for some time when we were ruled by prisspots (all the while wearing sweatpants and t-shirts themselves) are probably republicans

If John Fetterman wouldn't have a chance if not for his stand on pot.

R54 I think you mean "people who work for a living and know how to iron a shirt."

If that's putting on airs, then I feel sorry for your stank life.

I hope he keeps this aesthetic for his campaigning.

Fetterman dresses like a lot of other Pennsylvania men: the only times you'll see him in a suit is at funerals and his own wedding (maybe, if the lady insists). His constituents recognize themselves in his attire even though you don't.

Be thankful he's genuinely THAT GUY. That he is gives him the chance a guy you find astheticly more appealing would never, ever have.

As a bonus: He'll work for you even though you hate what he wears and looks like. He will help get bills passed ad shit done. You want some useless hole to beat off to, I'm sure that old Cockgobbler's nudes are still around here somewhere. He used to be pretty. His voting record was decidedly not, however.

Amy Klobuchar, John Fetterman, and Tim Ryan are the only Democratic politicians today who could decisively win Midwest and Rust Belt voters.

[quote]Fetterman dresses like a lot of other Pennsylvania men:

No, he really doesn't.

How "big" is he? Well???

He may not dress like you like, but his interior design aesthetic is completely on pointe, despite working in Harrisburg he still lives in Braddock in an old converted car dealership that would make many a SoHo loft weep with envy. Though most Pennsylvanian’s don’t know what to make of his Brazilian wife.

His default facial expression looks like a dad watching his queer son prance around as a varsity cheerleader instead of a star quarterback.

His dressing down may make him more relatable to the working class...not appearing elitist.

Exactly, r64. He's not stupid, he's aware of the optics. Try telling that to the prissy Mr. Blackwells on this thread, though.

IMO, the affectations some of you consider marks of "authenticity" I consider costuming. Theatrics. Sorry. I'm very undecided about this guy. We need workhorses not show ponies.

Conor Lam can win the gay and female vote based on looks alone.

[quote]Conor Lam can win the gay and female vote based on looks alone.

He ain’t gonna win the people in PA who want weed legalized, which is everybody. Fetterman has been in favor of it since DAY ONE.

[quote] most Pennsylvanian’s don’t know what to make of his Brazilian wife.

It was pretty hysterical when he got into a twitter spat with his dog Levi about who the lady of the house loves more.

John lost.

If he would keep dressing the way he does in R62’s link photo, he’d be straight. Black shirt, jeans, nice black boots. If I’m running his campaign, I’m begging him to just buy a bunch of those items and keep wearing the same thing everyday like Steve Jobs.

[QUOTE] He ain’t gonna win the people in PA who want weed legalized, which is everybody. Fetterman has been in favor of it since DAY ONE.

Any Democrat who isn’t for the full legalization of marijuana in 2022 should be immediately disqualified.

I think Fetterman will be President one day. Remember, I called it. In fact, I called it in a thread a few months ago. Trumpy types will like his "down to earth" looks and will probably vote for him depending on who his challenger would be. He comes off like a guy they can relate to.

BTW, R60, I'm originally from PA Dutch Country, and yes -- Fetterman dresses like most straight men in PA. I don't know who you're hanging out with.

R72, nope and nope. Pennsylvania while still purple is getting redder. I think it's going to be a closer race than you think. And, seriously, not sure who you are hanging out with but most people in PA dress like humans and not Sons of Anarchy.... particularly given the Christian conservative bent of the state.

R73, some areas are getting redder, but the suburban Philly and Pittsburgh areas are getting bluer. So I’m not sure I buy your analysis.

I’m not in PA, I’m not from PA, and I actually don’t like PA. But I like Fetterman and have kept an eye on him. He walks the walk and talks the talk. And his wife does the same with her charitable efforts in their community.

Why don’t you like PA, R75?

[quote]Fetterman dresses like a lot of other Pennsylvania men: the only times you'll see him in a suit is at funerals and his own wedding (maybe, if the lady insists). His constituents recognize themselves in his attire even though you don't.

Yeah, it's like Katie Porter in her mall clothes and mom hair. It's a big part of his appeal.

Exactly, R77. Thank you!

R76: Instead of listing all the reasons I dislike Pennsylvania, how about I say something nice? The countryside is beautiful and the history in Philadelphia is fascinating.

@r62, That loft is a knockout. Someone in that family has good taste

Tasteful friends..

Here video of John showing off the loft:

And here’s video of Gisele showing off the space.

R5 I agree! I would drink a gallon of Conor Lamb's dirty bathwater!

[Quote]Will Black voters, key to the base, show up in November to vote for him? That's the key question.

R23 No, the key question is "Where are the DECENT White people?"

R1 Everything you said is untrue. He was Mayor at the time. He was driving his pickup truck on a PUBLIC street in the middle of the DAY (on a Saturday) when he saw a Black man jogging down the street. At the same time he heard what he thought was gunshots. He claims that he was triggered by recent school shootings and was trying to protect the community so he grabbed a rifle from the back of his truck, chased down the jogger and held him at gun point until the police got there. The jogger was unarmed and released at the scene. The police found zero evidence that any shots had been fired by anyone and that most likely it had been a car that backfired or kids playing with firecrackers a few blocks away.

^ not excusing what happened but Fetterman explained his reasoning, which I think most people will accept. The guy even endorsed him for Senate.

Fetterman defended himself and claimed Miyares was running in the direction of an elementary school, and that he made the decision to approach him with the firearm due to the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting occurring the month prior.[26] Fetterman's campaign also said that when initiated the pursuit, and because the jogger was wearing a black sweatsuit and mask, he did not know the jogger's race or gender at the time of the incident.[26][27] Miyares, who is serving prison time for armed assault and kidnap, said what sounded like gunshots were bottle rockets set off by kids, though Fetterman said no fireworks debris had been found.[26] Miyares added that Fetterman had "done far more good than that one bad act" and, "should not be defined by it," and hoped he would win the senate race.[28][26]

They're very Addams Family! Cryptkeeper like!

He's like 6ft 8in. He's does not appear to be a custom suit kind of guy. I sent him seed cash a year ago. We need Senators like him.

Connor Lamb would be just another Joe Manchin.

We do not need more corporate Democrats.

R83, Gisele seems like a lovely, down to earth person.

R87, thank you for setting the record straight.

The only version I heard about the incident was from the black woman on Twitter and this is a perfect example how misinformation can get out of control and ruin a person.

R87 He didn't defend himself. Not even close to it. He had to chase after the guy who he saw running from a distance.

R92, it’s not that Fetterman said he defended himself because he was attacked, the sentence means he defended his actions that day.

This is a great article that covers many things being discussed here. I usually can’t access the Post, but it allowed me for some reason.

DataLounge is the only place I have seen support for Connor Lamb.

Comment from a reddit post about the article below.

[quote]I’m not a progressive and this article is written by a hack by the sounds of it but Lamb and Kenyatta’s behavior recently have been pretty low. They’re both running vanity runs at this point. [bold]Lamb should’ve stayed in the house, his D+1 seat was his to win given his incumbency status, now Dems are probably favored to lose it.[/bold] Kenyatta, i respected him, but he has no chance just like Lamb. The primary is over, they’ll need a miracle to stop Fetterman. Drop out and let the PA Dems unite around one guy while the republicans are still fractured to give us a head start. Where Pennsylvania goes the nation will probably go in 2022.

R95, Lambs seat is being redrawing with the redistricted. It's either going away or going red. So that comment isn't worth much.

I'm 'oh, dearing' myself...redrawn and redistricting!

Anyway the new map has Lamb's district leaning red.

I didn't realize that, R96. Regardless, Lamb is known for being a DINO. The local ABC affiliate in Philadelphia pulled one of his PAC ads earlier this month.

NO MORE CORPORATE DEMOCRATS

[quote]NO MORE CORPORATE DEMOCRATS

It's those 'corporate' Democrats that got the party the majority. Just sayin'.

'All politics is local' and it would be better if the party understood that and knew lean of the district and ran the right people. Running a progressive isn't always a winner.

I am truly excited for this PA race. It isn’t every day that Dems receive a candidate who can actually attract working class white males!! Hoping this will inject the party with the language and wordsmithing needed to regain traction with the few white men who aren’t POS. Fetterman shatters the mold in every way.

Dresses working class/talks working class, but actually Ivy League educated. Took murders so seriously as mayor that their dates were tattooed on his arm (black peoples just want to be heard, and his tattoos >show< he actually cares). He’s a white male married to a sexy Brazilian Barbie, but she too cares about our society, she isn’t a mere trophy. He’s also a Dem who uses guns, yipee!!! And last but not least, he’s a progressive who can walk and chew gum (he’s pushing progressive ideas without causing division, protecting the coalition). And he’s one of the few who actually calls out that fucking traitor Manchin.

You all better give to this race, we desperately need to win PA.

amen, R101

[quote]Miyares, who is serving prison time for armed assault and kidnap, said what sounded like gunshots were bottle rockets set off by kids, though Fetterman said no fireworks debris had been found.[26] Miyares added that Fetterman had "done far more good than that one bad act" and, "should not be defined by it," and hoped he would win the senate race.

[quote] thank you for setting the record straight

But R87 didn't, R91 -- but that's not their fault.

I'm assuming that person didn't read the whole interview from where that quote came. The important thing is, for the greater good, he still thinks Fettertman should win.

[italic]The guy does like Fetterman and did say, "done far more good than that one bad act" and, "should not be defined by it," but he also said the account of what happened wasn't true.

“He lied about everything,” Miyares wrote.

He has previously said he was jogging in the neighborhood when he heard fireworks, just before Fetterman confronted him.

“He knew my race. The gun was aimed at my chest while he loaded five red shells into the tube of the 12-gauge TAC shotgun,” Miyares wrote. “Once he finished, he aimed it at my face out of the Ford F-150 Truck.”

But in a second letter to The Inquirer, postmarked on the same day last week, Miyares said Fetterman could face a political backlash now if the Senate candidate revised his account.

“Telling the truth on an incident 10 years ago could cause him more harm than good,” Miyares wrote. “Mr. Fetterman and his family have done far more good than that one bad act or action and, as such, should not be defined by it.”

He signed that letter: “Gooo Fetterman.”

The accounts of both men match a description in a 2013 incident report filed by the Braddock Police Department, which said Miyares was unarmed. The officer who responded to the 911 call said two people in the area stopped him to say “they heard several shots” before he got to Fetterman and Miyares.

The officer wrote that Miyares, 36, was wearing “running clothing” and headphones and was “very cooperative, but was upset that Fetterman pulled a shotgun on him.”[/italic]

Not only did Fetterman win the 2018 election, he was the first ever candidate to defeat the incumbent:

[quote]In a historic win as unconventional as the candidate himself, the work-shirt wearing, small-town mayor John Fetterman defeated Lt. Gov. Michael Stack in the Democratic primary Tuesday, according to unofficial results.

[quote]Stack is the state’s first lieutenant governor to lose in a primary election.

[quote]Fetterman, mayor of Braddock, Allegheny County, pulled in more than 40 percent of the vote with 84 percent of precincts reporting, according to unofficial results from the Department of State.

R101, bumping because of your post. It is so amazingly spot on.

OMG, thank you r105. I have a single great post for every thousand shitty ones, haha.

I posted on a different thread that I actually believe he could run with Biden in 2024. If this country elected Trump, why not a Fetterman as VEEP? Anything is possible, we are only limited by ourselves (which is the *only* good to come out of having Trump). Trump destroyed the old mold, so let’s use that to our advantage! Flip the script. They want a white working class beast again for President? Well, we can have a working class beast too, but our guy a) actually has a brain, and b) he actually cares about people and democracy. Fetterman could chew up Dump without breaking a sweat. He would easily (and most assuredly) emasculate Trump at every chance he could get. It is sooooooo easy to put Trump on defense, he’s like a child.

He doesn't dress working class. He doesn't. Do you see anyone else wearing little boy shorts in the middle of winter in r94 s link? Nope. He's all about pot and guns. That's his appeal.

Wrong, r107. It’s easy enough to check out what he stands for. He’s very progressive.

From the website at r108. All of these are core Democratic principles. There is no equivocating at all:

The minimum wage should be a living wage of at least $15 an hour. All work has dignity, and all paychecks must too.

Health care is a fundamental human right – just like housing, food, and education.

Climate change is an existential threat. We need to transition to clean energy as quickly as possible, and we can create millions of good union jobs in the process.

Weed should be legal, nationwide — for jobs, justice, veterans, farmers, and revenue. It’s time to end the failed war on drugs.

Immigration is what makes America, America. We need a compassionate response to immigration reform that actually treats immigrants like human beings.

Black Lives Matter. John served as mayor of a city that’s more than 80% Black, and has championed the idea that Black lives matter since long before it became a hashtag.

The union way of life is sacred. It’s what built this nation, and it must be protected.

A woman’s right to an abortion is non-negotiable. Women should have control over their own bodies and their own lives. Period.

LGBTQIA+ communities deserve equal protections under the law. John has always stood for equality, and was one of the first elected officials in PA to officiate a same-sex wedding – when it was still illegal.

Get corporate money out of politics. John refuses contributions from corporate PACs, and he signed the “No Fossil Fuel Money” Pledge.

Despite the appearance, I understand he did graduate from Harvard.

He has a masters degree from Harvard, r110.

[quote]Do you see anyone else wearing little boy shorts in the middle of winter

I'm guessing you've never been to the Philadelphia area, R107, because it's very common here.

I'm from Radnor and now live in Western PA, r112.

That was from 2016, r112.

Being from Radnor means you should know Delco, R114, eastern Delco is full of shorts wearing guys. The Reddit post I linked to is from January 2020 and it is specifically about wearing shorts in cold weather.

[quote]scientific evaluation based on recently bumping in to three different guys wearing shorts in freezing weather... all from South Philly. One guy was waiting to leave Deptford sam’s club in shorts and muscle shirt as the temps were around freezing... drives over from philly to do his shopping. In related news the 42Freeway area is proud to be an annex of Philly and South Philly. We’ll take your soda and shopping dollars.

[quote]Or Delco... I notice this a lot in Springfield, Marple & Ridley Townships.

[quote]Delco uniform is mandatory, no matter the time of year. For men, that’s Adidas flip-flops, black nike socks, basketball shorts, and a high school sports t-shirt with the sleeves ripped off.

I live in Center City and I see it all the time, when I'm in Delco I see it even more. My mail carrier wears shorts [italic]pretty much[/italic] all winter.

Also, I don't see how the year of the picture at R113 makes this untrue but I did find a 2021 picture in the Delco Daily Times... that was taken in Radnor.

This was funny...

[quote]The lieutenant governor of Pennsylvania is continuing to publicly troll the lieutenant governor of Texas over the latter talking up voter fraud.

[quote]Back in November, days after Joe Biden was declared the winner, Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick actually offered up a 1 million dollar reward for anyone who comes forward with evidence of voter fraud. The wild allegations the Trump team has made in the month-plus since have not been proven at all, and even Trump-appointed judges have rejected their claims.

[quote]Pennsylvania Lt. Gov. John Fetterman was quick to respond to that, and has recently been trolling Patrick for the money after highlighting alleged voter fraud from Republican voters.

[quote]Late last month he tweeted, “Let me be clear, if you take away all of the voter fraud in Pennsylvania that involved illegally voting for Trump, you do not have one single, documented case of voter fraud in Pennsylvania.”

No idea who this guy is...I read through a few posts in an attempt to learn but decided it wasn't worth it. Glad I don't live in Pennsylvania.

[quote]but decided it wasn't worth it.

Расскажите нам еще раз.

John Fetterman gives me hope. I wonder if he has presidential ambitions.

Fetterman is amazing and very appealing — and I know I’m right cuz trolls. It’s the economy, stupid, and Fetterman gets that. “The best way to judge a society is by how it treats its lowest members,” as Mandela liked to say. If we raise the standard of living for those at the bottom, everybody wins.

So the great white hope of datalounge is the gringo version of George Zimmerman. How the wheel turns.

Well, R118 and others, I'm GLAD I live in PA (not "PENN.," OP), and look forward to voting for Fetterman!

Connor Lamb never stood a chance.

And r122, you're a fool. It is LAMB who voted "R" 68% of the time. But you go on with your appearance-bias.

I want to lick every inch of Conor Lamb from head to toe, twice over.

The man is beautiful and compassionate and has shown a big bulge in sweatpants on Instagram. Those lips! Those eyes!

But Fetterman is the better candidate for this office this year, just as Lamb was ideal for his House seat when he was elected.

If Lamb needs to work out his frustrations, I'm first in line.

Lamb's voting.

WTF do people see in Pennsylvania Shrek?

He's obnoxious, lazy, arrogant, entitled, racist, a vigilante, doesn't even show up for things, and when he does deign to show up, he's a fucking embarrassing slovenly slob.

God, I hope he loses the primary. If he doesn't, it's almost guaranteed the Republican will win the seat in the General.

R126 he calls Republicans names during interviews which feels good to people after the Trump years.

Get ready to cry in your craft beer, r126.

R127, All true, but you have the wrong President. It feels good after the OBAMA "We go high" years.

Take Fetterman's next TWO victories to the bank.

He's a fat and a bad dresser? No way I'm voting for him.

r126 r130

Он угрожает тебе, не так ли, Борис?

Let's check in on the guy running to replace him as Lt. Gov...

Yum, R132. Sims is hot AF and would never vote with the Republicans at 68% like some other PA "Democrats"! Hoping he wins and replaces Fetterman.

Sims is great. Progressive as well.

Finally a Democrat in the Senate who will kick some ass. Bet he moves up the leadership ranks very quickly. Imagine him taking on McConnell as Majority Leader? Looking forward to seeing Fetterman in the Senate!

[quote]Finally a Democrat in the Senate who will kick some ass. Bet he moves up the leadership ranks very quickly.

I think he will. He’s one of the few Dems that also has Red-State appeal.

R107, actually, in Philly, you do see men wearing shorts in the winter and all bundled up from the waist up.

Personally, I think they're nuts, but to each their own.

R116, I'm now in Western PA. And, wow, no, Delco isn't all of PA. It's the exception and not the rule. I'm visiting NY at the moment and having driven across the state...again, just no.

I'd take Connor Lamb over this racist fraud any day.

Fetterman is the wealthy son of two wealthy Republican Parents and he has you all convinced he's a "man of the people" and a progressive. You guys are so easily duped.

R1339 I'd rather see Lamb as a VP candidate.

If I lived in Pennsylvania I would reluctantly vote for him over a Republican but never in the primary. I loathe his style of politicking and faux macho insults. I feel like he is what liberal Democrats think other Democrats will like. But the thing that works with republican voters will not work with democrat and independent voters. he will probably win the primary but I don't think he will win the general.

[quote]he will probably win the primary but I don't think he will win the general.

He will win the general, because his opponent will be Dr. Oz… who all Pennsylvanians view as a fraud and a Hollywood creation.

R139, his parents are indeed Republicans and well off, but they didn’t start out well off. And plenty of Gen X and younger rejected their parents’ politics.

R142 is right, Fetterman’s Repuke opponent will be Oz, who’s a joke.

I didn't think it will be Oz, R142. I think it will be McCormick.

Both races are competitive. Fetterman may have the lead but the number of undecided voters is high and those who say they may change their mind is over 40%. The Republican race is just as competitive.

😂 Both races are not competitive. It’s Fetterman’s to lose, and there’s no reason to expect that he will.

[quote]I'm now in Western PA. And, wow, no, Delco isn't all of PA. It's the exception and not the rule.

R107/R138, etc. I never said Delco represented all of PA. You said this:

[quote]Do you see anyone else wearing little boy shorts in the middle of winter

And I said yes, wearing shorts during the winter months is common in Philadelphia and Delaware County and provided a post from r/philadelphia as an example. You may not like it and you may not see it in places you have been but that doesn't mean it isn't normal in other parts of the state.

I live in Bucks County and yes, this is a local/PA thing, which we find pretty amusing.

^ and to clarify, I’m NOT the Bucks County yard sign troll. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

I can’t say that I’ve seen anyone shoveling in shorts, but I’ve seen a few young guys wearing shorts walking in freezing weather. I think they’re coming from the gym. I saw an Asian woman shoveling three houses in pajamas early in the morning like a machine in Philly.

I just learned something new.

[quote]Pennsylvania Lt. Gov. John Fetterman decided last November that he wouldn't be living at the state's customary Lieutenant Governor's mansion in Fort Indianatown Gap, but he still has a say over who gets to use it – and its pool.

[quote]On Friday, Fetterman and his wife, second lady Gisele Fetterman, announced the residence's pool will be open to the public this summer for camps and organizations to schedule lessons and events.

[quote]The goal, the two said in a statement, is to provide opportunities for those in the state without regular access to swimming pools.

[quote] Sims is great. Progressive as well.

You must be joking. He’s an idiot. He’s the one who doxxed women praying outside an abortion clinic. The idiot doesn’t understand the First Amendment and does nothing but go to circuit parties and take Instagram thirst trap pictures. He’s a walking, talking, brain dead gay stereotype.

R148 Only the Bucks County yard sign troll would say that.

[quote]and to clarify, I’m NOT the Bucks County yard sign troll

I had forgotten about him, R148, I think he lives in New Hope.

Elizabeth Warren not only had Republican parents but she herself had been a Republican before she had her come to Jesus moment. That little tidbit about his family is a nothingburger.

R154 She also drove a BMW until she started running for office as a populist. She still lives in a million-dollar manse, and kept the decades of paychecks from the 1%-ers at Harvard Law.

Here you go, r145. Yes, both races are competitive. And Fetterman not debating isn't a good look.

If someone is fighting for the right things, I honestly don't care if they are well off. Should Fetterman and Warren live in cardboard boxes under the bridge to prove their point?

Regarding that shotgun incident, his initial assumption that the black guy running in the area was probably involved in the crime… is something that many cops, conservatives, and white people in general will find relatable. It won’t hurt his electoral chances at all in Pennsylvania.

You got me, r152! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

God, that guy was a hoot, though. He seems to have disappeared… I wonder why? I actually live near the border of Bucks and Philly, and he was so full of shit. Good times!

I fail to see why we can’t take Fetterman’s version of that chase at face value. Two people can share an experience but describe it wildly differently. I have zero problem with it, and the voters won’t either. Suck it, MAGATS!!

R151, he also yelled at the two protesters, one of whom was an elderly woman.

Sims is a niche candidate who won't play outside his tiny urban district.

Brian Sims is as much a niche candidate as Pete B. was before he was elected mayor.

No, R162, your comparison to Pete B. is way off the mark.

Anyone who has ever walked by this Planned Parenthood knows how peaceful the protestors are, why Sims chose to do this to these people at this particular location is beyond me. Not only did he heckle them, he offered money to people who could help him dox the three teenage girls praying outside the gate.

I found full videos, pardon the shit source they came from.

I see nothing wrong with his behavior.

Back on topic, this was posted today

It's the Bernie types who keep wanting to use the incident with chasing the black guy against Fetterman.

Talk about his kidney donation.

R139, Please see Conor Lamb's actual voting record.

Nitwit.

So some parents are Republican. So??

Yeah parents being Republican means nothing. His policy stands are thoroughly progressive.

I think he just lost a few votes tonight...or maybe he picked up a few.

But he's wearing a suit and tie

[quote]I think he just lost a few votes tonight...or maybe he picked up a few.

He definitely picked up a lot of votes. Pennsylvanians were done with Covid a while ago. They were glad when “dictator” Wolf’s mask mandates went away.

…and just like that, Philly lifted its mask mandate.

Sims should have been arrested and given a drug test.

I still wear a mask but that's my personal choice for me, R174, Philadelphians are over it like R175 said he likely gained voters with that comment.

He posted this on Twitter tonight.

Link to Twitter post ^

He did great! Thanks for sharing those tweets, well.

R178, It really is that simple....to say.

How government can force, or even entice, private industry to return home from 3rd-World countries is quite another matter. Half or more don't want to meet American wage and safety standards; hence, why the companies fled.

For example.

I know most people don’t remember Monday, but maybe Philadelphia, or at least their department of health, are actually actually erroring on the side of history since they had one of the largest super spreader events in history during the Spanish Flu and don’t want a repeat performance?

[quote] …and just like that, Philly lifted its mask mandate.

So?

[quote] Regarding that shotgun incident, his initial assumption that the black guy running in the area was probably involved in the crime… is something that many cops, conservatives, and white people in general will find relatable. It won’t hurt his electoral chances at all in Pennsylvania.

R158, the large blue majority of Pennsylvania are in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh and they're not conservative.

It will hurt him, but not much, because there's no choice that has as much presence and has been in the news multiple times before for GOOD things that he did.

[quote]Sims is a niche candidate who won't play outside his tiny urban district.

I don’t even know if he’ll do well in Philadelphia.

Austin Davis is endorsed by Josh Shapiro and today I received my second piece of election mail from the PA Democratic Party highlighting this endorsement - this isn’t new news but I didn’t know how the extent of people’s displeasure with Sims’ Planned Parenthood stunt until today when I got the list of endorsements from my local Democratic Committee. They backed Sims for state representative in 2020 and in previous years, this year they endorse no one for Lt. Governor.

^ My local ward leaders also endorse Malcolm Kenyatta for senate. In 2018 they backed Nina Ahmad for Lt. Governor in the primary and endorsed Fetterman in the general but this is different. The election is right around the corner, my ballot was in today's mail but I've barely seen any signs in my Center City neighborhood. I've seen them in Delco & Montco but to date I have only noticed one sign in someone's window and it was a Kenyatta sign. The Kenyatta endorsement reminded me of comments from the Reddit post when he announced his candidacy (this was before Lamb announced he was running), here's one of them:

[quote]I wonder if Kenyatta and Fetterman split the progressive vote and let someone like Lamb or Boyle snag the nomination.

In other news...

Has big John ever shown his big cock? VPL at least?

Fetterman's debate performance was abysmal. No wonder he skipped earlier ones.

Thank you, Boris, we know you would prefer Dr. Oz go up against Kenyatta.

Nyet?

Kenyatta is not happening.

Even the Republicans expect Fetterman to be the nominee. I watched the Republican debate a couple nights ago. One of the two female candidates said about the other one: “she lost her most recent election by 20 points to a very weak Democrat. And let me tell you, John Fetterman is NOT a weak Democrat, and I’m the only one who can beat him!”

I think I need to see Big John nude before I make my final decision. Front and back. He could at least wear some tight jeans.

Fetter man is married to a woman of color and has good LGBT relations as well

Yes, let’s all hope he wins — serve his campaign in some way, even if it’s just sending $10.

NBC.

Dr. Oz Senate Debate a House of Horrors

Fetterman will destroy Oz.

I think this election will be guns vs. weed.

Oz will be lucky is he survives the primary, Republicans prefer Dave McCormick, it was entertaining watching their collective meltdown the day the Trump endorsement was announced. This morning two back to back McCormick ads aired during the 6AM broadcast my local NBC news, his message is simple because he knows he needs to appeal to simpletons. One of the ads is below but in the other one he says he's pro gun and anti abortion. This makes me nervous because people are idiots and so far I haven't seen any Fetterman ads.

McCormick pings.

Republicans are SALIVATING to run against Fetterman, because they can smear him to no end and utterly destroy him, and win.

Connor Lamb is the only one that has ANY hope of beating the GOP.

Fetterman is Pennsylvania Shrek. He's ugly, he's lazy, he's slovenly, he's disrespectful, he probably smells bad, he's racist, he's sexist, and he's a proven liar. He's arrogant, entitled, hypocritical, and a fraud.

Worse, he's a self-declared Populist. Ugh. No.

Just tell Democrats how much the Republicans are looking forward to destroying Fetterman, and they will embrace Corporate Democrat Connor Lamb?

Oh, Leonid, go back to Olga in HR and tell her you need the NEW book.

Seriously r202… reminds me of how Dump tried so hard to eliminate Biden from the race because he knew Biden could beat him.

I think it's probably too late for Conor Lamb to pull this back and win it. But Fetterman has not looked great recently. His debates were absolutely awful and his answers about the gun incident have actually gotten worse.

He probably needs media/public speaking coaching r205. Hopefully Dems are getting him that.

R203, enough with the stupid "Corporate Dem" bullshit propaganda.

Conor Lamb is highly experienced and qualified, and he supports the full Build Back Better bill, eliminating the filibuster to secure voting rights, and has voted with Biden/Dems consistently... unlike the SO-CALLED "progressives" in the Squad, who vote with the GOP more than Manchin does.

Connor Lamb is also, unlike Fetterman, putting in the actual work. He's listening to people, showing up, meeting with all communities (Fetterman is POINTEDLY ignoring the Black Community... and if you think a Democrat can win in PA without the Black Community behind him and showing up to vote, you're crazy).

I just don't see what people see in Fetterman I guess. He's an empty suit, and arrogant entitled spoiled brat, born of wealthy Republican parents, and racist as fuck.

He's no progressive. He himself says he's "Populist", and populism is NEVER good for minorities or for democracy. The fact that he's a lazy slob is just icing on the nasty cake that is Pennsylvania Shrek. Connor Lamb is more trustworthy, dependable, experienced, qualified, decent, caring, empathetic, and professional.

There's really no comparison. No amount of empty "Corporate Democrat" posturing, or "Manchin-Lite" lies will change the fact that he's none of those things, and that he's better in every single way than Fetterman.

GOOD! he talks the talk and walks the walk. he's also a native from the poorest section of the state, the south west, and talks to them directly. outside of political gain, he also is a progressive

r207, are YOU a corporate Democrat? Log Cabinet?

[quote] NEW: PA Lt Gov candidate Teddy Daniels (R) was hit with a protective order after his wife accused him of abuse. He also threatened to kill the family dog.

[quote] He's endorsed by the leading GOP candidate for governor Doug Mastriano. Both Daniels & Mastriano were at the Capitol on 1/6.

[quote] MORE: According to his wife, Daniels (6'4", 360 lbs) threatened to kick his wife and son out of the house if he loses the campaign. He has knives and guns in the house; "I am afraid of him and what he will do to me," she said.

Go Brian!

Brian Cohen is one hot guy!

Conor Lamb for the win!

R208, how can you believe so much bullshit at once. Almost nothing you said is actually true.

R209, not even close. I'm a liberal progressive. (NOT one of those idiot cosplay "progressive" populists like The Squad... they suck).

I'm sorry you can't handle the truth or reality.

Brian SIMS!

Fetterman’s lead grows in new poll, now has majority support of Pennsylvania Democrats

What the fuck does anyone see in this oaf?

Do voting Democrats in PA really want to lose the general by nominating Pennsylvania Shrek?

What’s the alternative, R218?

He's a 6'9' progressive. I want a picture of him next to Trump noise-monkey Gym Jordan.

What's not to love?

he looks like uncle lester, but he's a true progressive from the backwaters of SW PA. I'm all for him

For every instagram model busy finding their lighting for a new picture there are 3 Frankenstein's monsters who look like Fetterman and vote. Representation matters. ™

The bigger they are, the harder they fall.

The Oz race is more interesting right now. Amazing how batshit crazy the Rethuglicans are now. Scary that so many in PA will vote for them.

[quote] What the fuck does anyone see in this oaf?

He doesn’t speak down to them and is one of them. This isn’t rocket science. Climb down from your ivory tower, Mary!

He was mayor of one of the poorest towns in PA and approached problems realistically.

He chases black men out of town with guns...How Progressive Uncle Fester is?

Again R227, that's not the truth.

A blue collar Repub I went to high school with posted on social media the other day that he would vote for Fetterman over Oz any day.

Carpet baggers have little chance in PA.

Dr. Oz is the best thing that Pennsylvania Democrats could’ve asked for.

R219, obviously Connor Lamb is the alternative. What kind of stupid question was that?

[quote]He's a 6'9' progressive. I want a picture of him next to Trump noise-monkey Gym Jordan.

[quote]What's not to love?

He's NOT progressive. By his own admission and claims, he's POPULIST. And Populists suck... whether they're from the Right (like Trump) or Left (like Fetterman).

There's a whole lot to "not love" beyond the fact he's an unapologetic self-professed Populist... the fact that he's a lazy oaf and a racist vigilante who lies, fails to show up, and acts all entitled to the position without actually working for it.

[quote]he looks like uncle lester, but he's a true progressive from the backwaters of SW PA. I'm all for him

Why are Fetterman supporters so damn gullible and ignorant?

He's NOT a "true progressive" of any sort. He's POPULIST. Populism never ends well for democracies. The end game of Populism is fascism. Every time. Further, he's the wealthy son of wealthy Republican parents. He's cosplaying as a "man of the people" in the same way Boris Johnson in the UK does.... it's all a con. He dresses like a slob to hoodwink the gullible, and it's sad how many gullible people there really are.

[quote]He doesn’t speak down to them and is one of them. This isn’t rocket science. Climb down from your ivory tower, Mary!

He's NOT one of them. He's a wealthy son of wealthy Republican parents.

And it's not "Ivory Tower" to want a U.S. Senator to be competent and capable, and willing to put in the work... which Fetterman frankly isn't.

Jesus Christ, how can you so smugly believe such obvious lies as if you're somehow smarter than any given fool who can look at that fraud and see right through him?

R228, once again, you're lying. That is absolutely the truth. Fetterman chased down an innocent Black Man and held him at gunpoint with a loaded shot gun, even though he had ZERO authority to do so, and zero reason to do so. And he's never stopped lying and changing his story about it. HE BROKE THE LAW WHEN HE DID THAT, and he has never apologized.

How the fuck you going to dismiss and ignore and deny those obvious facts?

You're unhinged and lying R235.

[quote] Fetterman chased down an innocent Black Man and held him at gunpoint with a loaded shot gun, even though he had ZERO authority to do so, and zero reason to do so.

That has a ring of truthiness, so I believe it.

Fetterman is garbage, but because OZ simply isn't an option, Fetterman might just pull it off. For a State full of Blue Collar people to elect Trump POTUS in 2016 and have a close election in 2020 with Trump on the ballot (the most elite out of touch candidate to ever to run for POTUS) suggests that there are a lot of REALLY STUPID people living in that State!

Democrats need to make more of an effort to reach working class voters, and Fetterman is appealing to them. People in Pennsylvania own guns, they’re concerned about crime, and they’re not interested in the liberal “you WILL respect my pronouns” BS that comes from the world of Ivy-League academia which Democrats typically love to push.

Conor Lamb has a voting record no Democrat should tout.

But you know what, r207 et al.? There is more to political success than voting records.

Personal impressions YOU MUST KNOW count for much (for good or ill).

Who looks the part? For example, only rarely has the taller Presidential candidate lost; we like height in our leaders. And remember how Michael Dukakis looked in the tank?

Who blundered in behaviors? GHWB looking at his watch while debating Bill Clinton. Jimmy Carter and the "attack rabbit."

Who misspoke? Jimmy Carter and our "malaise" (a word he didn't use, but it stuck). Howard Dean's "scream." HRC's "vast Right-Wing conspiracy" and a "basket of deplorables."

And name. My mother "knew" Nixon would defeat Humphrey in 1968 because "people won't vote for a 'Hubert' (they did, but not enough)."

That leads me to Conor Lamb. He looks effete, all thin and sandy-haired, and has the automatically-emasculating name of LAMB.

It doesn't matter that Lamb is a former Marine; might as well call him Casper Milquetoast, because you're sure not going to call him "Senator."

Slick Corporate Democrat vs Rough Progressive Democrat.

If all the tops here voted for the pretty boy and the bottoms voted for the tough guy,

LANDSLIDE FETTERMAN!

Keep spreading the Fetterman lie and Oz will become Pa.'s next Senator.

Fetterman thought a black guy was committing a crime, and he chased him with a gun while waiting for police. You won’t find anyone in Pennsylvania who has a problem with that.

The Blacks in Philly do have a problem with Fakkermann.

Fetterman is going to win the primary in a landslide so of course Democrats start to attack him as a racist. Here comes Sen. Oz.

R236, no. There are no lies there. Just truths you don't want to believe. It's all been corroborated. He's acknowledged it happened (amid his changing stories for why).

The real question, why are you so insistent on denying the truth, and ignoring reality?

R245, He's a racist because he says and does racist things. He's almost completely avoided the pennsylvania black community in his campaign... and I ask you how a Democrat is going to win without the support of Black People in a general election? Don't blame Dems if he wins the primary and loses the general. We warned you. The GOP will run ads about his holding a Black Man hostage at gunpoint non-stop because they know it craters his support among liberals and Democrats.

[quote]You won’t find anyone in Pennsylvania who has a problem with that.

You'd be surprised.

[quote]Keep spreading the Fetterman lie and Oz will become Pa.'s next Senator.

It's not a fucking lie, you fucking gaslighting idiot. It's a fact. It's the truth. No amount of denying a fact will change it. You're more unhinged in your denial of obvious facts & reality than any Trumpster. Stop it.

[quote]Slick Corporate Democrat vs Rough Progressive Democrat.

He's not progressive. He's populist. Learn the difference. And then learn why Populism is bad. Because it's really bad.

[quote]Conor Lamb has a voting record no Democrat should tout.

He voted 100% with Joe Biden and Democrats, supports abolishing the filibuster to pass voting rights, and is 100% in support of the Build Back Better bill and agenda.

Stop lying about Connor Lamb. Seriously. He's no "Republican LIte", and he's no "Manchin". He's exactly the kind of guy that can win Pennsylvania in a state-wide race against Republicans.

Conor Lamb is a better bet in November.

OZ might lose the Repuke Primary.

Fetterman is being called a "racist" because he is appealing to white working-class voters. His campaign isn't all about pandering to blacks, like most Democrats are. It's also why he's winning.

^Are there any general election polls pitting him against either of the leading republicans?

He sure looks like a Trumpster. I wouldn’t put it past Repugs getting those crazies to run as Dems and then invading Congress and voting just like Trumpsters. I mean, besides recalling there’s not many ways to toss them out. We’ve seen how spouting illegal election worked on their side.

Fetterman, like future Governor Josh, have long records to run on.

Yes, Republicans have such STELLAR records of NOT being racist! Black Pennsylvanians will just FLOCK to Oz!

For you, r251, and your Joe-Come-Lately Lamb.

BTW, just so ya know, to my Eastern half of the state the Monongahela and Ohio Rivers aren't where it's at; the Lehigh and the Delaware Rivers are. We never give one thought to anything Pittsburghian beyond a couple sports (Beaver County to us means Broadway Joe, not Conor Lamb). Moon Township, PA, might as well be ON the Moon. We are oriented East and SE: Philly; the Jersey Shore; NYC. Our one major exception is Penn State.

So Conor Lamb has the proverbial snowball's chance in my half of the state, from the Delaware Water Gap down to Delaware County.

Yeah, R259, that explains how Lamb was able to win in a less than liberal district.

Won't translate state-wide, r260. He wasn't up against a Blue-Collar-looking giant of a man like Fetterman before.

Fetterman cannot win a general election in PA. GOP is salivating to bring up his racist past (the one he keeps trying to justify instead of apologizing for and talking directly to the Black community about it).

You better pray Connor Lamb gets the nom or you will have another GOP Senator in that seat next year!

You can ignore the Black people and TRUE progressives if you want but no Democrat can win PA without them.

You mean the GOP that salivates over Oz?

We need a guy like Fetterman in the Senate. Glad he's ahead.

R263 Yup! The same GOP that managed to get Trump elected. And it is the same GOP which manages to STILL control all branches of government even when they are not in power.

Think about it.

[QUOTE] He sure looks like a Trumpster. I wouldn’t put it past Repugs getting those crazies to run as Dems and then invading Congress and voting just like Trumpsters.

😂 What an asinine theory.

{quote] Won't translate state-wide, [R260]. He wasn't up against a Blue-Collar-looking giant of a man like Fetterman before.

I wasn't talking about Lamb in a primary contest, but in the general against a republican.

I admit I find it terribly amusing Pennsylvania is likely to nominate their own version of George Zimmerman. Last poll I saw had Fetterman up 39 points over Lamb.

[quote] reminds me of how Dump tried so hard to eliminate Biden from the race because he knew Biden could beat him.

No that was Yang and Kamala

If Lamb can’t make it through a primary, he’d probably look just as weak in a general election. That’s what primaries are for.

Stop trying to make Lamb happen.

R265, Two words: Tom Wolf.

R267, Dream on if you think Lamb could defeat a Trump Republican.

Working class PA is not buying Fetterman's costume. Hipsters might. Do they vote?

Now. God willing, you folks, MSNBC, Philly and Pittsburgh could carry him. But it's a ridiculous act. The fact that any hissing bitch on here buys it as "reaching the working class Trump voter!" is all you need to know that it's not going to work. He's horrifying looking, has a D next to his name- he's toast with rural white men and women. That's it. That's how it works.

STOP TREATING THIS LIKE A STUPID STREAMING SHOW. We keep fucking losing because we think we can trick voters with clothes and catchphrases.

Only prissy news bitches care if they shared a pool that wasn't theirs or have a fancy loft. And we're voting for him anyway.

Lamb is too dry. Too Mr. Rogers. Milquetoast, like an 80s politician with the same suit every time you see him. He needs to have an affair or something. He has no swagger.

[quote] If Lamb can’t make it through a primary, he’d probably look just as weak in a general election. That’s what primaries are for.

To the constenation of establishment types, many fervent pro-Trumpers are winning primaries. Primaries tend to attract the most fervent of the parties' respective bases. As such, they don't necessarily best represent the sentiments of general election voters.

^consternation

The Lamb campaign needs to start rumors that he’s bi and hung and has a harem of young twink aides who take turns riding his big dick every night.

Based on some of the comments in this thread you'd think Fetterman wasn't the first ever candidate to defeat an incumbent Lt. Governor.

[quote]In a historic win as unconventional as the candidate himself, the work-shirt wearing, small-town mayor John Fetterman defeated Lt. Gov. Michael Stack in the Democratic primary Tuesday, according to unofficial results. Stack is the state’s first lieutenant governor to lose in a primary election. Fetterman, mayor of Braddock, Allegheny County, pulled in more than 40 percent of the vote with 84 percent of precincts reporting, according to unofficial results from the Department of State.

[Quote] Stack’s past year in the lieutenant governor’s residence and in what’s known as the state’s “best job” was not all it was cracked up to be. Despite earning an annual salary of $163,692 and only responsible for filling in for the governor if he no longer can hold office, Stack has spent most of the year putting out public relations fires.

After his staff reported abuse and harassment by the Stack family, Wolf made an unprecedented move of stripping the family’s state police detail and restricted the lieutenant governor’s residence staff.

Shortly after, Stack’s wife received in-patient treatment for a mental health issue. Wolf declined to release a report by the inspector general’s office to protect the Stack family’s privacy due to her mental health treatment.

He ain't magic, sweetheart.

Clearly, the Repugs are shitting their britches over Fetterman lololol. This thread is popular!

The Republicans desperately want him to win. That's why they haven't touched him. Use your goddamned brain.

Let's be real. If the economy is what it is now this fall, neither Lamb nor Fetterman will win.

Yep r283, I agree. Everyone needs to start using the phones again — you need to call your Senators and House Reps and demand change. Their messaging sucks and will NOT carry us to victory, and our window of opportunity is closing.

I want Oz to win the Republican primary because Fetterman can easily beat him, McCormick makes me nervous.

𝑻𝒉𝒆 𝑷𝒉𝒊𝒍𝒂𝒅𝒆𝒍𝒑𝒉𝒊𝒂 𝑰𝒏𝒒𝒖𝒊𝒓𝒆𝒓 𝒆𝒏𝒅𝒐𝒓𝒔𝒆𝒅 𝑹𝒆𝒑. 𝑪𝒐𝒏𝒐𝒓 𝑳𝒂𝒎𝒃 (Pa.) in the state’s Democratic Senate primary race on Sunday, arguing that his time in Congress combined with his history of winning tough elections makes him a better choice than his top rival, Lt. Gov. John Fetterman.

“Pennsylvanians deserve a senator who is more than just a plus-one vote for the Democratic caucus in the Senate; it’s crucial that voters elect a candidate who would add value by representing the commonwealth,” the newspaper’s editorial board wrote.

[quote]He ain’t gonna win the people in PA who want weed legalized, which is everybody. Fetterman has been in favor of it since DAY ONE.

Ha!

No person who gives a crap about legal weed comes out to vote in a primary.

Young people don't vote in general. I'm hoping the abortion situation will get their asses up off the sofa.

[quote]“Pennsylvanians deserve a senator who is more than just a plus-one vote for the Democratic caucus in the Senate; it’s crucial that voters elect a candidate who would add value by representing the commonwealth,” the newspaper’s editorial board wrote.

In other words, they want another “maverick” like Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Enema who will block the Democrats from passing anything in the Senate.

The Philadelphia Inquirer and Conor Lamb can both go fuck themselves.

The place for Lamb was in the House.

Lamb could get suburban white women. Fetterman will not. I'm hopeful anyone could beat Oz.

Believe it or not, poor people do own a set of nice clothes for nice events. Shocking, I know.

No, John Fetterman won't get the votes of the racist White European ethnic groups that populate PA's Coal Counties and Farm Counties. They are Red, and that's that.

what does that have to do with anything?

R293, What do votes have to do with anything?

R291, Oh, I don't know. Conor Lamb is the epitome of "Not Hot." Big John, OTOH, might well be the stuff of suburban wives' fantasies.

R295, yes, because John Fetterman bears such a striking resemblance to other suburban woman fantasy dreamboats like Andre the Giant and Uncle Fester.

No one WANTS to fuck the terrifying bouncer. You do it cause you have to, for more coke.

Well, that Alabama prison officer ran away with one that looks just like him -- so with straight women it's safe to say you never know.

There’s far more women married to men who look like John Fetterman than those who look like Conor Lamb.

[quote] The Philadelphia Inquirer and Conor Lamb can both go fuck themselves.

What part of Lamb's voting record suggests he would be another Manchin or Sinema?

[quote] There’s far more women married to men who look like John Fetterman than those who look like Conor Lamb.

One, more men look like Fetterman than Lamb. Two, many, if not most, women settle.

If we're (legitimately) concerned about a lack of a presidential farm system, electing tall, handsome, young, moderate Conor Lamb (from a critical swing state, no less!) is the only right answer.

All you Gay Bottoms want "Big John Fetterman" as the nominee because you want a "monster" to punish fuck you. A lot of you same people voted for Trump for the same reason. Most women would not find either of those men at all attractive. In fact they would be repulsed by him physically. Trump got in because GOP voters will elect whoever has an R by their name. Most Dems don't get in line that way. True progressives won't fall for this phony. Minorities will likely sit it out if he is the nominee. So keep thinking with your dicks and applaud Senator Oz!

R302? I'm a lesbian, and I'd vote for him (I'm from PA, but don't live there anymore). My sister and BIL live there, and already voted for him with their absentee ballots (they winter in FL). They admire him and like what he's done so far. And let me tell you something: they're as suburban as it gets.

I'm tellin' ya, not only is he going to win the primary, he's going to be the PA senator, and, given enough time (and ambition), he may be president some day. I've said it here before, and I'll say it again: I called it.

I want to see his beer can dick.

[quote] Dr. Oz is the best thing that Pennsylvania Democrats could’ve asked for.

You said the same about Trump in 2016.

[quote] they winter in FL

Rolling my eyes.

[quote] True progressives won't fall for this phony.

Progressives are a shitstain on society. They fall for idiots like the Squad and Bernie Sanders.

R295, stop thinking with your dick.

[quote] Lamb could get suburban white women.

Why? Looks? Another fag who dumbs women down.

[quote]All you Gay Bottoms want "Big John Fetterman" as the nominee because you want a "monster" to punish fuck you. A lot of you same people voted for Trump for the same reason. Most women would not find either of those men at all attractive. In fact they would be repulsed by him physically.

You’re wrong. How do you explain women like this??…

R303 I'm pretty sure if you looked up the word "Goon" in the dictionary, John Fetterman's picture would appear. No one said he did not have support. I think what many of us are saying is that it is not enough. What good is a couple votes in the suburbs if you are missing entire urban centers because a segments of the Democratic Party failed to consider large portions of the base as they rushed to coronate George Zimmerman jr. The GOP will crucify him this fall if he is the nominee.

R307, you are obviously a Republican. Bernie and the Squad are not Progressive Democrats. They're trash! They're Democratic Socialists. There is a big difference. The Bernie crowd would back Fetterman. He is a fake progressive just like they are.

Democrats ARE progressive by definition. and Democrats do not see that crowd as progressives. They're selfish and destructive. Stop repeating GOP talking points.

Which of his guns will Fetterman carry to hunt voters in Philadelphia

R296, You've heard of the NFL and the NBA?

R312, Oh, har-de-har. You do know that Pennsylvania is a hunters' state, no? That the opening day of hunting season is a day off for public school students (Thanksgiving Monday)? Gun ownership is not an issue here.

[quote]What good is a couple votes in the suburbs if you are missing entire urban centers because a segments of the Democratic Party failed to consider large portions of the base as they rushed to coronate George Zimmerman jr.

News flash: Just because Joy Reid and a bunch of other black media personalities on MSNBC and CNN continue to parrot the lies that “black women are the backbone of the Democratic Party” and “black women saved this country”… doesn’t mean that any of it is true.

Democrats can’t win unless they appeal to working class white male voters and suburban white women voters in states like Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin. John Fetterman understands that, and that’s why he is going to win without pandering to blacks.

R314 The Democratic Party has not won the White vote since the Eisenhower administration. You may not like that Black people (primarily the Women) have to hold up the Democratic Party and fill in the GAP after so many White people left the party, it is true. When Black people were not allowed to vote (much the way many are being blocked today), White people voted Democrat. Without Black people, Fetterman won't win. You heard it here first. Whining and spouting your racist diatribe won't change that fact.

Why are some of you saying he’s a fake progressive? Can you give concrete examples of that?

R315, isn’t LBJ the last Democratic nominee to have won the majority of the white vote?

[quote]You may not like that Black people (primarily the Women) have to hold up the Democratic Party and fill in the GAP after so many White people left the party, it is true.

White people left the party because of the endless black pandering. Democrats can’t win until they acknowledge the problem with black criminality. Bill Clinton passed the Crime Bill in 1994 and easily won a second term with support from suburban whites and Southern voters.

r315, that's OK, because all Democrats need are the NON RACIST white minority.

[quote]Which of his guns will Fetterman carry to hunt voters in Philadelphia

R312, you do realize all of the high profile candidates are gun owners, right? McCormick is firing a gun in the ad at R200. This morning I saw an ad with McCormick and his mother talking about guns.

[quote]In the past week, Pennsylvania residents have been subjected to TV ads featuring U.S. Senate candidate Dave McCormick firing a series of weapons, showing his experience as a teenage hunter, a West Point cadet and a solider in Iraq.

[quote]“I’m Dave McCormick and I approve this message to protect the second amendment because that’s what guarantees the rest.”

[quote]Today, Mehmet Oz released a new ad showing the celebrity doctor from New Jersey handling a rifle, explaining how his father taught him about how to handle a rifle and that he is passing along the same lesson to his son.

[quote]“It’s about our constitutional right to protect ourselves from intruders or an overly intrusive government,” said Oz in his ad.

[quote]Four years ago, Conor Lamb introduced himself to the Commonwealth with a video that stated he served four years in the Marines. “Still loves to shoot.”

I think McCormick either fires a gun or mentions guns in each of his ads.

McCormick = small dick energy

Massive new spending and push for Kathy Barnett as the GOP nominee.

While Oz is not exactly popular, he is well known. Seems to me someone on that side realized that making the race about Fetterman vs a Black female is very much in their best interest.

[quote]Massive new spending and push for Kathy Barnett as the GOP nominee.

Some dumb negress who believes that Trump is still the President will never win a statewide election in Pennsylvania. PA voters know that Trump lost the election fair and square, because they're the ones who voted to get rid of him in 2020.

"Anyone who has ever walked by this Planned Parenthood knows how peaceful the protestors are, why Sims chose to do this to these people at this particular location is beyond me. "

They're wingnuts and deserve to be treated as such. Nice Republican trolling.

"If the economy is what it is now this fall, neither Lamb nor Fetterman will win."

You mean record low unemployment? Reduced deficit? Increased GDP?

"The GOP will run ads about his holding a Black Man hostage at gunpoint non-stop because they know it craters his support among liberals and Democrats."

LOL, liberals will vote for any dem over a Republican

I loooooove to eat my own poo

"Liberals will vote for any Democrat over a Fascist, aka Republican."

FIFY, R327.

For all of the "Blacks won't vote for him" posters...

[quote]you are obviously a Republican. Bernie and the Squad are not Progressive Democrats. They're trash!

LMFAO. They ARE the face of the progressive left, shit-for-brains.

[quote]They're wingnuts and deserve to be treated as such.

So you are against the First Amendment? What a fucking loser you are.

[quote] You mean record low unemployment? Reduced deficit? Increased GDP?

Surely you jest. One not be a troll to observe that, rightly or wrongly, Biden has approvals in the low 30s for his handling of the economy.

Record inflation is more like it. But it's only temporary. Sheessh!

[quote]Nice Republican trolling.

Wtf, R325? What kind of mental gymnastics did you have to do to come to that conclusion? While it’s possible there have been times that the protestors are aggressive I’ve never seen them engage with passersby, I’ve only seen them standing there peacefully and the days Sims was there were no different. In my experience they’re like the Jehovah’s Witnesses who stand outside Rittenhouse Square park on the weekends, they stand there talking amongst themselves next to their literature display stand.

As I said at R187, my ward of the local Democratic Committee endorsed him in past elections but opted to endorse no one for Lt. Governor this year. Datalounge is the only place where I have seen people defend or attempt to deflect from his behavior.

[Quote]White people left the party because of the endless black pandering.

R318 If you mean by "Black pandering," the passing of Civil Rights legislation, then those White people should not have only left the Democratic Party, but they should have left the country because they are Un-American!

Buckle up or get out of the United States of America because we are not going back to a Slave State or a Jim Crow State or whatever the hell Backwards Neanderthal-esq country you're looking to form.

^^^^^ R315 (NOT R314)

R319 AND you need minorities.It is a coalition you moron. You are never gonna win a major election with only White Democrats. What is it about the changing demographics in America and the fear of weak-minded White people who are tricked into voting against their interests are you not understanding?

R327 You are ignorantly forgetting the third option, NOT Voting. Democrats know how to do that to when there is not a candidate who speaks to them. Republicans vote regardless of who the Republican candidate is.

R331 The shit for brains is YOU for spewing Fox News Talking points. Bernie and the Squad represent Liberal Democrats in the same way Pedophile Priests represent all gay men. Don't be such a dumbass!

[quote]The Philadelphia Inquirer and Conor Lamb can both go fuck themselves.

R289, if R286 doesn’t live in Philadelphia he may not realize the Inquirer is a shell of it’s former self and their endorsements for anything don’t mean much. On the other hand, the Tribune endorsing Fetterman over Kenyatta says a lot.

R333, yeah, and support for gay marriage used to be in the low 30s....

Kathy Barnette is a bigot and a homophobe

[Quote]Tribune endorsing Fetterman over Kenyatta says a lot.

Not necessarily. Kenyatta is openly gay. He also does not have the visibility and profile of a Lt. Governor. As much as I believe Fetterman would lose a general election, Kenyatta would lose by an even greater margin. But a loss is still a loss. So it doesn't really matter.

And, R341 as you said, endorsements don't carry the same weight they carried say 30 years ago. I don't think any of this says anything.

R342, that’s about where support for repealing Roe is. Are you sure you want to go there?!

And the racists are still going to hate her even with the R after her name.

Chuck Todd spent his hour talking down Fetterman. today.

I HATE Schmuck Rod ^^^^. Glad he’s leaving MSNBC.

What was the gist of it, R347?

R47 "CUCK" Todd is not credible. I stopped watching his show years ago and I leap for the remote anytime his face appears on my TV screen. I won't watch him.

[quote]And, [R341] as you said, endorsements don't carry the same weight they carried say 30 years ago.

While I agree that some media outlets are not as influential as they used to be that’s not what I said, R344. I said “the Inquirer is a shell of it’s former self and their endorsements for anything don’t mean much” because of the decrease in the quality of their reporting and because they have endorsed a number of candidates who are either currently under indictment, awaiting sentencing or recently released from prison - I wasn’t generalizing, I was specifically talking about the Inquirer.

Trump on Kathy Barnette

Him and Warnock in some combination might be an interesting future national ticket.

Warnock wouldn't run with Fetterman.

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Would Fetterman run with Warnock? Unlike Warnock, Fetterman will actually be a US Senator in 2023.

Fetterman needs to stay in the Senate and help get some shit passed, not immediately start running for President in 2024.

Why wouldn't Warnock run with Fetterman?

That’s just the resident Fetterman hater talking shit, R358.

A bad omen.

[quote]In a statement released from Penn Medicine Lancaster General Hospital, Fetterman said, "On Friday, I wasn’t feeling well, so I went to the hospital to get checked out. I didn’t want to go – I didn’t think I had to – but Gisele insisted, and as usual, she was right." The Democratic Senate hopeful went on to explain that a clot caused the stroke, but doctors were able to "quickly and completely" remove the clot and reverse the stroke.

[quote]“The good news is I’m feeling much better, and the doctors tell me I didn’t suffer any cognitive damage. I’m well on my way to a full recovery," Fetterman added.

[quote]Fetterman will remain in the hospital for observation for a short period but is expected to be released soon, according to the release.

He’ll be fine. And he’ll still win both elections,

[quote]We need a guy like Fetterman in the Senate. Glad he's ahead.

No, we don't need an asshat like him in the Senate. It's sad and pathetic and awful that he's ahead. I don't get why anyone supports that douchebag.

[quote]Why wouldn't Warnock run with Fetterman?

Because Warnock isn't going to run with a racist asshat like Fetterman.

R360 is a witch!

"Pulls away" only reinforces the image I have of rowers on a crew team... "Stroke! Stroke! Stroke!"

Fakkermann looks like a stroke victim... .. OHHHH wait-he is one!!

I’m a Fetterman fan, but yeah, he doesn’t look like the picture of health.

It just makes him more relatable. He’s Joe Everyman, now complete with regular cardiologist visits!

Ya think, R360?

He's got the body of Jabba the Hut in that video with his wife. Dude doesn't look like he'll make it through a full term.

A progressive head in a jar is better than any Trumpublican.

What can I say

Pennsylvania need to elect Josh Shapiro so if an elected Fetterman dies in the next 4 years a democrat will be his replacement.

Exactly.

Hailey Bieber had a stroke, too.

My man Shapiro’s got it in the bag, baby. No worries there.

R377 That's good! Love Shapiro!

I have no idea what makes Fetterman an appealing candidate other than his cosplay Duck Dynasty looks. His debate performance was so subpar it shook even Bernbro/Justice Dem fan David Pakman, who is always in the tank for these "progressive" performance artists!

Fetterman's history with black citizens and now his stroke make him unfit and imo unelectable. I see Conor Lamb as a super appealing candidate who won his first election in a red-leaning wing district. I think he would also wipe the floor with Mehmet Oz, but I doubt Oz will win the primary.

I could be wrong, but I believe Lamb was always the stronger candidate. Fetterman's stroke and him being in the hospital still on election day is not going to get him any votes for those still making up their minds.

"Hi, I'm John Fetterman for Xarelto..."

[quote]My man Shapiro’s got it in the bag, baby. No worries there.

In the primary, yes, because he's running opposed but November is a different story - Trump endorsed Mastriano yesterday

GOP candidate for Governor ^

Part of me wonders if the House January 6 Committee pushed primetime hearings back to June so GOP would be locked into primary-winning candidates who would then be exposed as insurrectionists.

Mastriano is up to his eyeballs in treason...like...oh, maybe...MTG.

R379 I hope you are right, but I do worry about the attention span and intelligence of PA voters. They did elect Trump. They're not too bright. Conor Lamb would win handily against any GOP POS they try to run against him. He is good looking, clean cut and a center left Democrat. That is what America needs right now!

The news today stated he is recovering from a stroke.

I hope Fetterman recovers from his stroke but really don't wanna see him as the nominee.

[quote]Conor Lamb would win handily against any GOP POS they try to run against him. He is good looking, clean cut and a center left Democrat. That is what America needs right now!

Yeah, but he'll be useless if he gets to the Senate. Another Manchin/Sinema clone.

[quote]Hailey Bieber had a stroke, too.

I had my stroke FIRST!

[QUOTE] In the primary, yes, because he's running opposed but November is a different story - Trump endorsed Mastriano yesterday

Yeah, I know. The fact that Shapiro will be running against Mastriano is why I said he has it in the bag.

Meanwhile, Connor Lamb is the picture of health and beauty. Vote Lamb!

[quote]The fact that Shapiro will be running against Mastriano is why I said he has it in the bag.

R389, you said "My man Shapiro’s got it in the bag, baby. No worries there" without providing a reason and didn't specify if you were talking about the primary, general or both - this isn't the psychic friends network, how was anyone supposed to know what you were referring to?

If someone wins the primary and is then unable to run due to health reasons, how do they decide who takes their place?

[QUOTE] this isn't the psychic friends network, how was anyone supposed to know what you were referring to?

Why would I say he’s got it in the bag if I suspect he’ll win the primary but lose the general election, R391? What are you, fucking retarded? You don’t need to be a psychic to figure it out, just not being a dumb ass will suffice.

Sorry, Conor Lamb.

R390

R392 It is governed by the State laws. If there is time, the Party will usually try to have another primary. If not there will probably not be a candidate for that party, just write-ins.

Thanks r395. What about a scenario where there's no time to have another primary but there is enough time for the party to name a replacement candidate to the ballot. Wouldn't state party bosses be able to choose someone? Obviously to be competitive a candidate is needed as opposed to write ins. Because the parties are separate entities that rule themselves and not government entities, I would think their by laws would allow for such a contingency?

R396 Like I said this is something strictly governed by the States but I am not aware of any State that allows random people (ie party bosses) get to decide who can run on the party ticket. That directly interferes with the democratic process. In some instances a Governor can fill a seat if someone dies in office, but if you meet the State requirements to run nobody can stop you from running and competing to represent the party.

r379, Fetterman is a true progressive. Watching video of him flying the Rainbow flag, pissing off conservatives, is inspirational. He deserves to be the Senator from PA.

r398 are you really so fooled by performative antics like flag waving?

The Trumptards do a lot of that too. Fetterman is a crypto Justice Dem and strikes e as more of a Libertarian. So far all I see is the show.

R389, remember “Hillary is gonna win”? Don’t get cocky.

[quote] If someone wins the primary and is then unable to run due to health reasons, how do they decide who takes their place?

In 1978, within a couple of months weeks after winning his party's primary, the Virginia GOP nominee was killed in a plane crash. As I recall, the party selected his replacement, someone who was a runner-up in the primary. That replacement candidate, John Warner, won in November & served in the Senate for five terms.

Chris Van Hollen also announced he just had a (“minor”) stroke. We need Marylanders to elect a Democratic governor in November.

R384, Not a second time, we didn't.

Where are you from, with your genius voters?

r399, that is a beautiful way to sow doubt and division.

From his bio:

But John wanted to do more. He joined AmeriCorps and served in Pittsburgh’s historic Hill District, where he helped set up the first computer labs in the neighborhood and taught GED classes to young mothers and fathers.

He went on to earn a Masters in Public Policy from Harvard University’s Kennedy School of Government.

======

No Libertarian goes to the Kennedy School of Government.

Sorry Gleb, but you have failed to take into account that Google is everyone's friend and your divisive bullshit is easy to debunk.

Go tell Olga in HR, you need more training.

[quote]Fetterman is a true progressive.

No he's not. He's a liberal but his stand on things like buns, oil and fracking disqualify him from being a "true" progressive.

^buns should be guns...but by the looks of him I wouldn't doubt he has a liberal stand on buns too!

[quote]He's a liberal but his stand on things like buns, oil and fracking disqualify him from being a "true" progressive.

Guns and fracking are important issues in PA.

No kidding, r407...but his support for both disqualifies him as a "true" progressive as someone upthread asserted. Guns are important in Texas yet Beto is for gun control and that's the mark of a "true" progressive.

Progressives are dopes, so it’s great that he’s not.

[quote]Guns are important in Texas yet Beto is for gun control and that's the mark of a "true" progressive.

And Beto is unelectable in Texas.

Most "true" progressives are unelectable outside of true blue districts, r410.

Other areas where Fetterman breaks from progressives is the GND and police. He's pro-police and he not for GND but is for elements of it.

It's just weird how progressives embrace him because he dresses like a white privilege asshole and curses... otherwise he's not a "true" progressive.

[Quote]Not a second time, we didn't.

403 Your State's voting for Trump one time wasn't enough? It was enough for me, in fact I wish it never happened. We cannot risk GOP winning anything else. The chance of Fetterman beating Oz are slim and none. Slim just left. That is all that matters!

[Quote]Yeah, but he'll be useless if he gets to the Senate. Another Manchin/Sinema clone.

Where do you people get this shit from? Conor Lamb consistently votes with Biden and supports Build Back Better. Plus, he survived 3 tough campaigns against Republicans in PA. If Dems want to win in the fall they better nominate someone electable: ie Conor Lamb.

Fetterman is AOC-light and would be AS BIG of a problem as Manchinema if he ever got to DC.

He's a pretend "progressive" who chases MAGAts instead of solidifying the DEM base. They won't fall for his schtick. Buttigieg made the same mistake.

If you are gonna nominate Fetterman, you may as well just coronate Oz now.

I absolutely prefer Lamb, but Fetterman would wipe the floor with Oz, where are you getting this - bullshit MSNBC news?

It's McCormick who would be the problem for Fetterman. Same damn thing in a better costume with money and a Trump connection, even as Trump tries to deny it.

They're running insane xenophobic/Hollywood anti-Oz ads.

HE'S FROM OUT OF STATE!

Hopefully Barnette wins the R nomination. Literally anyone could beat her.

Are you serious R412/R413 is is that sarcasm? Oz isn't a popular candidate, Republicans are still outraged by Trump's endorsement of him over McCormick, they even booed Oz at his own campaign rally. He's a carpetbagger like McCormick but McCormick believes all of the MAGA BS he spews, Oz is a RINO and everyone knows it.

[quote]Fetterman would wipe the floor with Oz, where are you getting this - bullshit MSNBC news? It's McCormick who would be the problem for Fetterman. Same damn thing in a better costume with money and a Trump connection, even as Trump tries to deny it. They're running insane xenophobic/Hollywood anti-Oz ads. HE'S FROM OUT OF STATE!

Yeah, I wonder the same thing, R414, is MSNBC spreading that nonsense? McCormick is the one to be weary of, I've posted a few of his ads in this thread.

How will Fetterman's stroke shake up the race?

Have the GOP candidates let their surrogates question Dr Oz's religion ?

Did he have a stroke or a TIA? If he had a real stroke, there's cerebral damage. He needs to be transparent about his health.

R420, a TIA IS a stroke--a small one, but still stroke and a harbinger of things to come

My friend had a stroke at fifty-one. Then he had another one a few weeks later and was brain dead and they took him off life support.

Strokes are bad news.

R416 What you are failing to understand is that the GOP is no longer your parents' party. Today's GOP does not vote based on candidates. It looks like Oz will be the GOP nominee, but it really doesn't matter. In a general election, that cult will vote for whoever has the "R" by their name. They've been conditioned to hate Democrats more than even considering what might be in the country's (or even THEIR OWN) best interest.

[QUOTE] Did he have a stroke or a TIA? If he had a real stroke, there's cerebral damage. He needs to be transparent about his health.

He’s already released a video and he looks fine in it.

[quote]It looks like Oz will be the GOP nominee, but it really doesn't matter.

If Dr. Oz wins the Primary, Kathy Barnette will go apeshit with accusations of election fraud. She lost her Congressional race in 2020 to Democrat Madeleine Dean by more than TWENTY points, and she refused to concede and went door to door demanding to know who people voted for. She's a batshit crazy election-denier and she will not be ignored if she loses.

R423, I think a lot of people are confused about this: Trump isn't the cause of white supremacy in the GOP, white supremacy is the cause of Trump.

Oz is a Turkish Muslim from Hollywood who fought for the Turkish Army (say the attack ads). His very being is an attack on the base.

But I digress. I think your take is too simplistic, much like we thought, "enough people will vote for Hillary, so I won't have to" or "the court will never overturn Roe". Or "Trump is clearly a moron, no one would elect him."

We are not in Kansas anymore.

If the doctors busted the blood clot in time, Fetterman should be fine with no lasting damage. And it seems like they did.

The only reasons Dump endorsed Oz were 1–Dump relates to Oz as a similar bozo TV personality and 2–he thinks Oz has the best chance of winning in PA and he (Dump) doesn’t want to back a loser in such an important state.

r423 It's stunning just how oblvious you are to your own statements.

[quote] He’s already released a video and he looks fine in it.

Thank goodness for lighting, makeup, and filters

Well, this settles it!

ron, give it up!

5 or 6 pots of your twitter?

share your personal cum pig twitter.

But wait, there's more:

Wow, I've never given any thought to Ratzenberger's politics, R431, so I didn't know about him being a Trump supporter.

[Quote]I think your take is too simplistic

R426 / R429 And I think you give MAGAts too much credit. Most of them are simple-minded people. I don't think you understand the extent to which racism and "White Victimhood" has taken over GOP politics. Trump was never "fiscally conservative" and made a joke of the evangelicals who supported him in record numbers. GOP stands for nothing but "owning" the libs. If you can't see that then you have clearly been slep for the past 5+ years!

Idol of millions of children who love Pixar films

R435, I'm not going to spend more time fighting this- but they've won. They won the courts for a generation. And we can't unring that bell.

“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.” - Sun Tzu

Nine more hours until I go vote for Big John! ✔ 👍 🎉

And Josh Shapiro for Governor!

r435 Never said he was. I know he was horrible on the economic front. Just as I know we'll be paying for Biden and Trump for decades to come. What I thought was the problem is you sound like a simple minded magat. . . oblivious that you're engaging in the same kind of jerking off to the home team, win or lose.

For gods sake you’re both on the same side at the heart of it. Stop arguing you’re both being petty. Fight the real enemy while we still can.

R437 I'm not sure what your point is. You seem like you want to argue and make statements that have nothing to do with what I said yet you continue to include me in your responses. You are consistently making no sense.

I will respond to what you said about the GOP "winning." They have "won" nothing. They've lied, cheated, stolen and manipulated. If they actually played by the rules they know they could never "win."

[Quote]“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing,”

They only win if good people let them win. Stop fighting me. Fight them!

The GOP Candidates in PA are all NUTS! Seriously, this is the best they can do--conspiracy theories, anti LGBT, anti-democracy

WTF!

I'm rooting for the guy who can beat every GOP loon, Conor Lamb!

I just checked, r443, and saw that my vote for Conor has been counted.

Pulls away walking towards the light ?

in a hearse, r445.

Fetterman has already won. The D votes are in by mail. It's the Republicans who wait until election day in PA (and other states).

The R primary is a total tossup. If Barnette loses by a little, its because she caught fire too late to catch up to the votes already cast by mail.

There is no poll that will instruct you on this race if it's Fetterman vs. Oz or McCormick. Check back in October. Until then, it's going to be fluid or unreadable. Even if one side or another seems to have a polling lead, either side could win. Oz is at a huge disadvantage due to his not living in the state AND being a muslim. Lots of muslim hate in the parts of PA where he would need to do very well to offset the Philly and the Philly suburbs. (If he's not really a muslim, guess what, to those voters, he is). If he loses tonight, that will be the #1 reason.

Barnette is like Todd Akin, Sharon Angle or Christine O'Donnell. DOA if she gets the nomination.

If McCormick wins the nomination and there's any type of red wave in November, he will probably win. He is exactly the type of Republican that suburban PA voters tend to go for.

I do have to say that I love Pennsylvania. It's one of the more interesting states.

I'd love it more if it permanently swung blue.

[quote]If Barnette loses by a little, its because she caught fire too late to catch up to the votes already cast by mail.

If Barnette loses by a little, she’s going to say that she really won because there was voter fraud. And she’s going to keep campaigning and demand recounts and create a total shitshow.

R428, One more:

Oz would back the kidnapping and taking to Turkey of Gulen.

r449 Barnette is nutty enough that the Republicans won't want much to do with her. She refuses to concede her 2020 race for congress when she lost by 20 points.

Funny coincidence. Kathy Barnette lives within a mile or so from Dr. Oz’s (fake) Pennsylvania address.

The surgery on his wife's Brazilian husband went well.

Fetterman unfortunately looks like a massive coronary about to happen.

that was yesterday...

[quote] He joins the approximately 1 million people a year, who are implanted with a pacemaker.

What could posssibly go wrong ?

[quote] Barnette is like Todd Akin, Sharon Angle or Christine O'Donnell. DOA if she gets the nomination.

That’s what people said about Trump in 2016. Granted, Barnette won’t have an opponent who was loathed as much as Hillary was, but in a wave election,she could be carried to victory.

If he received a pacemaker with a defibrillator then he's got much more going on than an afib induced stroke...like heart failure.

He may win the nomination but he's not winning the general after this, especially if McCormick is the Republican nominee.

[quote] If he received a pacemaker with a defibrillator then he's got much more going on than an afib induced stroke...like heart failure. --- He may win the nomination but he's not winning the general after this,

Don't underestimate the loyal media

What shit luck.

Anyone who voted for Fetterman is an idiot. Sorry. I don't understand how anyone can think he's a better candidate with a greater chance of winning in November than Connor Lamb.

He kept all of this hidden until the last minute, didn't he?

[quote]I've seen enough: Lt. Gov. John Fetterman (D) defeats Rep. Conor Lamb (D) in the #PASEN Dem primary.

BIG JOHN WINS! 🕺 🕺 🕺

CNN just called it for Fetterman... oh well... lets hope he lives long enough to be seated.

I like Fetterman. He’s a liberal whose appearance belies his intelligence. My only concern—and this was before his stroke btw—was that he does not appear to be healthy, despite his huge build. I believe he lost a lot of weight recently too, he was very overweight at one time.

CNN just called it for the guy who wasn't honest and open with the voters of Pennsylvania

What an embarrassment for Conor Lamb.

What happens now to beautiful Connor Lamb?

Lamb to the slaughter.

Lamb didn't even win his own district.

[QUOTE] Lamb didn't even win his own district.

😂 Where’s the Conor Lamb troll? Explain this fuckery.

This gives courage to run despite my own pacemaker.

Done, and done.

R461, Your logic is less than, how do you say, impeccable.

piece of shit

I'm telling ya right now, some day Fetterman is going to be president, if he lives long enough. He's as ugly as a Deplorable and has that "Everyman" look and bearing that will make all the idiotic Rethuglicans listen to him. Yet -- he's actually a liberal Democrat. Rs will be inclined to listen to him because of his attitude and he'll make them sit up and take notice -- and hopefully he can reach them in a way they'll understand.

But first, Pennsylvania.

Is this the start of a Blue Collar Progressive movement?

Yes r478. I’ve been waiting since 2012. It is overdue. We also have an actual labor movement again, if we can take both houses (almost impossible odds) then with people like Fetterman in Congress, we could actually pass BBB. Fetterman can also easily destroy Manchin, and quite frankly if he’s smart, he should make Manchin his project. I actually do NOT want Manchin to go because we get his votes some of the time — but what is his number one motivator? Is it the power? Or the greed? Or just the money? We need to know what it’s about for him, abc then give him mire of that. Fetterman needs to build a Manchin/Sinema Hit Squad, force them to bend to our will, or destroy. You can’t have it both ways. Also, the Dems should consider primaring them (obviously only if we have the right candidate). Start whipping these whores asses into obedience to party leaders. When is the last time you heard a Dem bitch about these two losers?

[quote] Start whipping these whores asses into obedience to party leaders

As opposed to the voters

[quote]What happens now to beautiful Connor Lamb?

He can join Beto O’Rourke in being a pretty Dem face who people keep desperately trying to make happen.

Yay...Fetterman won the primary! Stay healthy and be well, John.

[quote] Stay healthy and be well, John.

He is neither

Kathy Barnette is annoying as fuck, but I am rather enjoying how she has thrown the GOP Senate race into chaos! They networks can't call the race because her goofy ass is syphoning off votes! 😂

Although I could never bring myself to root for any Republican (I just want the one that Fetterman will beat), but David McCormick is one hot looking Zaddy! I wouldn't mind watching him on TV for the next 6 months. 😜 🤪😍

Fetterman's acolytes remind me of the Berniebros. They're just as annoying.

I don't think Fetterman has nowhere near the level of fandom like the Berniebros. It's just that in a party of weak old politicians who can't get a damn thing done, Fetterman the type of politician that the Democrats need right now.

[quote]that in a party of weak old politicians who can't get a damn thing done, Fetterman the type of politician that the Democrats need right now.

Cause the "squad" has been soooo effective. 😒

R487, Fetterman is not the squad.

Fettermen is a squad unto himself.

Just the fact that Fetterloons think he's single handledly going to change Washington makes them more like the BernieBros than they care to admit.

[quote] It's just that in a party of weak old politicians who can't get a damn thing done, Fetterman the type of politician that the Democrats need right now.

I’m not familiar with PA politics. What has Fetterman got done in PA?

Fetterman connects easily with the white working class, middle class, and blue collar voters in PA. You know, the ones that Hillary couldn’t reach.

What had Conor Lamb got done in PA, R491?

[quote]Just the fact that Fetterloons think he's single handledly going to change Washington makes them more like the BernieBros than they care to admit.

No one thinks he’s going to change Washington. He’ll be a reliable Dem vote in the Senate (unlike Manchin and Sinema) and he has broad electoral appeal among voters in PA.

You get an F in reading comprehension, r493.

F is for Fetterman, R495. It’s also for “freshman,” as in the next freshman senator from Pennsylvania.

Lamb is just another pretty face like Beto?

My sides, my sides...

I'm hoping Oz can pull it off although it looks unlikely. He'll be easier to beat.

[quote] I'm hoping Oz can pull it off although it looks unlikely.

Why is it unlikely?

Was Oz even vetted? He seems like if you opened his closet dozens of skeletons would tumble out.

[quote] I'm hoping Oz can pull it off although it looks unlikely. He'll be easier to beat.

Ah, just hearing Steve Kornacki on this race. It does seem McCormick will win.

[quote] The only reasons Dump endorsed Oz were 1–Dump relates to Oz as a similar bozo TV personality and 2–he thinks Oz has the best chance of winning in PA and he (Dump) doesn’t want to back a loser in such an important state.

Oz had him on his show and gave him a clean bill of health. Remember?

What votes are left to be counted re the Oz race? Oz has a slight lead, so I’m wondering why Kornacki things the uncounted votes are leaning to McCormick. Also, Dump is basically backing candidates he thinks will win, not those who are aligned to him. He knows his influence is on the bubble. There is no earthly reason for him to back Oz based on beliefs.

R494 He’s proven that he can take a broken, abandoned, poverty filled, crime ridden, drug fueled community and completely turn it around and reinvent it and make it a place of pride and celebration. A story that should draw in voters of all the rust belt states looking to find away out.

[quote]What votes are left to be counted re the Oz race? Oz has a slight lead, so I’m wondering why Kornacki things the uncounted votes are leaning to McCormick.

I think the uncounted cites are mostly mail-in. Kornacki said the mail-in votes will mostly favor the “non-Trumpy” candidate, McCormick. The Trump supporters, who will likely vote for Oz, mostly believe that mail-in voting is fraudulent, due to Trump’s election lies.

For 504...

[quote]And even in his hometown, Fetterman elicits mixed reactions. Some hail him as a reformer who helped the town regain its pride, while others see him as a self-interested politician who used it as a backdrop.

This quote from WaPo nails .

Put an "r" in it, R506.

Imagine that: A politician who uses their hometown/city/state "as a backdrop" to higher, national positions. This, after he "helped the town."

Teeny-tiny Braddock (pop. 1,885) seems to be the "self-interested" entity in this scenario.

Vet Oz? Oz is like Trump. We know he has been a snake oil salesman too.

Hoping Oz can pull this off, he'll be easier to beat than MAGA McCormick.

R507...no putting an R in it. The article quotes Braddock residents who specifically mention Fetterman.

R504, did you read that article? He bought the town! Or, his rich daddy did. He has never even worked. He isn't picking up any vote he hasn't already gotten.

Every Philly and Pittsburgh Dem better show up for him. And every R better not come out for Oz.

Sweet Jesus, Fetterman is the biggest load of bullshit I ever seen.

R510, I referred to the absence of the letter "r" preceding the number of a post.

Oh for fuck's sake, r512...stop being a hall monitor.

Let's stop arguing about Fetterman. Those of us who understand politics know he is completely full of shit, but it doesn't matter, he is now the Pennsylvania Democratic Party nominee for Senate. He will be better than any of the shit with R by it's name so we have to support him. He will vote with Democrats and won't support overthrowing the gov't Yes that is a low bar, but it's where we are now.

[quote] Put an "r" in it

What does that mean?

He's so big, but I bet his dick is not big. ☹️

R514, agreed. But for some of us, this is our sports.

[quote]Those of us who understand politics know he is completely full of shit

My sides, my sides...

R518, you mean "he looks like poor white trash, so Pennsylvanians will vote for him!"

Ivan, nice try at putting slovi in my mouth.

What I mean is that people who claim to "understand politics" usually don't.

In your case, they do not understand English, either.

R518 Obviously you are drinking the Fetterman koolaide. You're as pathetic as a clueless Bernie Bro. I pity you.

R521, Fetterman will be elected as a Democrat, and he’ll be a good Democrat. He’ll vote with Democrats and will support the liberal policies put forth by Democrats. You can see where he stands on his website—he doesn’t mince his words or where he stands. I don’t know what you mean by drinking the koolaide. Do you think he’s going to all of a sudden become a Dumper? Fetterman has a persona and it works for him, just as Conor Lamb. Dump, and everyone else in politics has their own vibe. They all assume personas that may or may not really relate to who they are. All that matters is that he’s on our side.

I’ve read that, in this horrible environment for Dems, McConnell is satisfied that either Oz or McCormick can hold the seat for republicans. If so, Conor Lamb losing the primary may have been a blessing in disguise.

What are Fetterman's chances of winning, assuming the environment for Dems in Nov is still unfavorable .

^I think his best chance may be if McCormick gets the nom & a petulant Trump decides to sit out this race.

R514 / R518

Being pitied by someone who is paid to be stupid is not being pitied at all.

Іди на хуй!

Impressive!

R522 / R526 I pity you because you are fucking stupid enough to think Lurch has the intelligence and charisma to go change Washington! 😂

Don't get me wrong, I want the goon to win, only because all Republicans are Shit on toast! But you're delusional if you think he is some kind of savior. He's not. He's gonna think people care what some idiotic freshman Senator from PA has to say. They won't. He needs to fucking fall in line with the Democrats, learn his job and cross his fingers that lightning will strike twice and he can get re-elected, assuming he lives long enough. And you must think your opinion matters to me. But I can tell you, it doesn't. 😂😂😂

Moron @528 et ali,

Just by converting a red senate seat to blue, Fetterman is a hero.

When you look at a freshman senator like Marshie The Cunt in TN, with her degree in Home Economics and fire baton twirling, he is a great improvement and addition to the Dem Senate majority.

R519, And let's thank our lucky stars for that!

Democrats don't always need to have a noblesse oblige candidate.

^Fetterman comes from wealth & is Harvard-educated.

The people who keep talking about Fetterman's family, background & education haven't expressed any concern over Lamb's family & education.

[quote]But Lamb may find himself in a similar predicament as McAuliffe, trapped as an avatar of the Democratic party’s monied interests, having received over $100,000 in campaign contributions from PNC Bank executives and employees since his first congressional run in the 2018 cycle. Over $28,000 of that sum came from his father, a lobbyist and senior executive for the bank, and his wife, according to campaign finance records reviewed by The Intercept.

[quote]Lamb’s father, Thomas Lamb, has worked for Pittsburgh-based PNC since 1995, serving as a federal lobbyist for the bank from 2001 to 2011 and a state-level lobbyist from 2007 right up to today. With cash flowing from PNC bank executives to Conor Lamb’s campaign for U.S. Senate — $23,400 of which landed in the third quarter of this year, including two maximum contributions from PNC’s CEO, William S. Demchak — it seems likely that Lamb, as senator, would share his father’s pro-business perspective. In fact, upon his inauguration to the House of Representatives in 2018, the younger Lamb’s first vote in Congress bucked his own party and joined a majority of Republicans to exempt banks worth up to $10 billion in assets from the Dodd-Frank Act’s Volcker Rule, which prohibits banks from engaging in risky speculative trading. Lamb’s father, disclosure records reveal, had lobbied on the Dodd-Frank act.

R529 Again your moronic ass is off topic. It is not responsive to anything I said. Do us all a favor and go play in traffic!

You are so FUCKING STOOOOOPID!

I love seeing the Conor Lamb fangurl losing it.

r533, et alii, I enjoy living in your head. From your posts, people would expect it to be quite large, but I find it a cramped little space.

Fetterman will be a hero flipping PA Blue. He can take his time learning the ropes; he knows he is valued as a party vote.

You seem to think that your sad opinions are dicta.

Fetterman has plainly said he will vote with Democrats to get President Biden’s agenda passed. He’s unequivocal about that. Lamb is not to be trusted…he’s bought and paid for by corporate interests. Although he’s about to be unemployed soon anyway.

[quote] Although he’s about to be unemployed soon anyway.

Watch the heads explode if/when Lamb's offered a job in the Biden administration.

Lamb’s not going anywhere. He’s a golden boy. He’ll never not have some sort of political job or consultancy job at some fucking foundation or PAC or bank or defense contractor board or law firm, or some shit like that. All the while being talked up as a potential VP candidate for any future Dem nominee who needs a boring white man from a swing state (“Conor Lamb would guarantee you Pennsylvania!”).

[quote]All the while being talked up as a potential VP candidate for any future Dem nominee who needs a boring white man from a swing state (“Conor Lamb would guarantee you Pennsylvania!”).

I’d like to hear more.

The Fetterloon isn't much better, r534. Big-time shades of BernieBros.

No one thought that anyone would care what a freshman senator from Illinois had to say, either -- but he was just a hop, skip, and a jump away from being President of the U.S.

but he was just a hop, skip, and a jump away from being President of the U.S. , and carried by the DNC who were stacking the deck against Hillary. And Hillary was not allowed to criticize Obama without being called racist

[quote] but he was just a hop, skip, and a jump away from being President of the U.S. , and carried by the DNC who were stacking the deck against Hillary.

Considering how she fared as the nominee in '16, maybe the party apparatchik knew what they were doing.

[Quote]No one thought that anyone would care what a freshman senator from Illinois had to say, either -- but he was just a hop, skip, and a jump away from being President of the U.S.

R541 I see we are literally in "silly season!" John Fetterman is no Barack Obama. Go sit your stupid ass down somewhere!

[Quote]Considering how she fared as the nominee in '16, maybe the party apparatchik knew what they were doing.

EXACTLY! Fetterman is just another politician with an over-inflated sense of self worth. And I see his fangirls here cheering his delusional ass on!

As much as most of us wanted Hillary to beat Trump, let's not rewrite History. She was/is just another superior White Bitch who felt entitled to the job. In 2008 she underestimated Barack Obama and then in 2016 she underestimated the worst presidential candidate in US history. How many timers are Democrats gonna force LOSERS like Hillary, Bernie and Fetterloon (not my term, but I'm stealing it 😂) on the Party?

Bernie was CHEATED!

I stumbled on an airing of “Election” this morning and watched it through. It seemed eerily relevant to Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaigns. There was no doubt that Tracy Flick was the better candidate, but she was so hated that her ceiling was just around fifty percent.

To win, Hillary had to run a perfect campaign and also be lucky. She did neither.

^ It didn’t help that Hillary was running to succeed a two-term president of her own party. Other than GHW Bush getting elected after Reagan, there’s not much precedence for that.

Nor precedence for the Russian meddling.

Neither Russian meddling nor two terms of a Democratic President explain 2008. She created that herself by trying to be a hawk on Iraq. I like her a lot, but she is not only a victim of others.

Hillary being an Iraq hawk did not lose the election for her, r550.

I can’t imagine anyone who was around in 2008 would dispute that, r551. The progressive left rallied around Obama for precisely that reason - because he was against the war. What is your explanation?

Obama was against the war, R552, when a mere state senator. Any US Senator with presidential ambitions, be it Hillary, John Kerry or Biden, voted in favor of the invasion.

Yes, I know that, r553. As an Obama supporter during the primaries, I also know why many supported him. His opposition to the war is what set him apart and what gave him an opening against Clinton. It was a core theme if his campaign that he - and not the others - were against the war from the start.

[quote] Nor precedence for the Russian meddling.

Sucker

What really is the prognosis for John Fetterman, the Democratic Senate nominee from Pennsylvania who had a stroke on May 13?

The 52-year-old lieutenant governor of Pennsylvania clinched his party’s nomination just a few days later, setting up one of the most consequential Senate contests of the midterm elections. But urgent medical questions remain.

He was discharged from the hospital, his campaign said on Sunday, and Mr. Fetterman has said doctors assured him that he would make a complete recovery — but the campaign has not said when he will be able to return to campaigning.

“I am going to take the time I need now to rest and get to 100 percent so I can go full speed soon and flip this seat blue,” Mr. Fetterman said in a statement on Sunday, adding that he felt “great” but intended to “continue to rest and recover.”

With such an important race in the balance, one that could decide the Senate majority, the state of Mr. Fetterman’s health is of intense public interest. Yet, despite repeated requests, his campaign did not make him or his doctors available to discuss his stroke and his medical treatment.

And specialists in stroke, heart disease and electrophysiology said that some of the campaign’s public statements do not offer a sufficient explanation for Mr. Fetterman’s described diagnosis or the treatment they say he has received.

The stroke, he said in a statement released by his campaign, was caused by a blood clot. He said the clot was the result of atrial fibrillation, a condition in which the upper chambers of the heart beat chaotically and are out of sync with the lower chambers of the heart. The campaign said the clot was successfully removed by doctors at a nearby community hospital, Lancaster General Hospital.

On May 17, the day of the primary election, Mr. Fetterman had a pacemaker and a defibrillator implanted in his heart which, his press office said in a statement, “will help protect his heart and address the underlying cause of his stroke, atrial fibrillation (A-fib), by regulating his heart rate and rhythm.” His press office said he is expected to fully recover from his stroke.

Medical specialists asked questions about Mr. Fetterman’s treatment with a defibrillator. They say it would make sense only if he has a different condition that puts him at risk of sudden death, like cardiomyopathy — a weakened heart muscle. Such a heart condition may have caused the blood clot. Or, the doctors say the campaign could be correct about afib causing the clot.

Thrombectomy, the method likely used to remove the clot, also indicates that Mr. Fetterman experienced more than a tiny stroke, although prompt treatment may have averted damage and saved his brain.

“I was just in the hospital for over a week,” Mr. Fetterman said in a statement. “I am aware that this is serious, and I am taking my recovery seriously.”

In a brief interview on May 20, Gisele Barreto Fetterman, Mr. Fetterman’s wife, told the story of his stroke, from her perspective.

“We had been on the road campaigning,” she said. “We had had breakfast, and he was feeling fine.”

The couple got into a car to go to an event at Millersville University when, she said, “the left side of his mouth drooped for just a second.”

“I had a gut instinct that something was happening,” Ms. Fetterman said. “I yelled to the trooper, ‘I think he’s having a stroke.’ He said, ‘I’m fine. What are you talking about? I feel fine.’”

The state trooper soon drove Mr. Fetterman to Lancaster General Hospital where his treatment began. Ms. Fetterman said it involved going through his groin, which suggests he had a thrombectomy, a procedure in which doctors slide a small plastic tube through the groin, advance it into the brain and then pull the blood clot out using suction or a wire mesh.

It was not until two days later that his campaign reported that Mr. Fetterman had been hospitalized with a stroke. Asked about the delay, Ms. Fetterman said, “Less than 48 hours is pretty impressive timing when dealing with sensitive medical issues.”

Shortly after that question, Rebecca Katz, a senior adviser in Mr. Fetterman’s campaign, abruptly ended the call with Ms. Fetterman.

Medical specialists said that some aspects of the story were difficult to reconcile with their knowledge of stroke treatment.

Dr. Lee Schwamm, a stroke specialist at Massachusetts General Hospital and professor of neurology at Harvard Medical School, said doctors do a thrombectomy only when a large artery in the brain is blocked.

“You typically wouldn’t do it for someone with just a little bit of facial droop,” he said. Dr. Schwamm wondered if the doctors who examined Mr. Fetterman in the hospital had noticed other symptoms, like a loss of vision on his left side or lack of awareness of his left side, often called “neglect.”

“These strokes tend to be very severe,” Dr. Schwamm said. “He is fortunate that he went to a hospital that could treat it.”

Pressed about the stroke symptoms as described by Ms. Fetterman, a spokesman for Mr. Fetterman wrote in an email that he “told The Associated Press last week that Gisele ‘noticed that John was not himself, and shortly after he started slurring his speech.’”

He is the strangest looking man ever. But I am glad he is doing so well, and I hope he wins.

But what caused the stroke?

Ms. Fetterman said her husband knew he had atrial fibrillation, which confers a high risk of stroke, and that he had taken anticoagulants, a standard method of reducing the stroke risk in people with atrial fibrillation, “on and off.”

But the treatment with a pacemaker and defibrillator is a puzzle if all he had was atrial fibrillation, medical specialists said.

“This doesn’t entirely make sense,” said Dr. Brahmajee Nallamothu, an interventional cardiologist at the University of Michigan.

Dr. Elaine Wan, an associate professor of medicine in cardiology and cardiac electrophysiology at Columbia University Medical Center, said defibrillators — which always come with pacemakers — are used to prevent sudden death. They usually are implanted in people with weakened heart muscle, or those who survived an episode in which the heart stopped, or in people with a genetic predisposition for sudden cardiac death.

“We would not use it for atrial fibrillation,” Dr. Wan said.

Dr. Rajat Deo, an associate professor of medicine and a cardiac electrophysiologist at the University of Pennsylvania’s Perelman School of Medicine, agreed about the use of defibrillators and said he shared Dr. Wan’s suspicion that Mr. Fetterman has a damaged heart.

“I think it would be fair to say he has at least two separate issues,” Dr. Deo said of Mr. Fetterman. “One is afib, from which he most likely suffered a stroke that was successfully treated.”

He added, “The second issue is that he likely has some underlying cardiac condition that increases his risk for ventricular arrhythmias and thus sudden cardiac death.”

The afib could be related to the other condition, Dr. Deo said. Patients with a weakened heart muscle are also at risk of developing atrial fibrillation.

On the other hand, Dr. Deo says, Mr. Fetterman’s atrial fibrillation may have nothing to do with his weakened heart. Without more information from his doctors it is impossible to know.

Dr. Deo added that if Mr. Fetterman is receiving appropriate state-of-the-art medical therapies and is protected with a defibrillator from sudden cardiac death, “he should do quite well while he continues his campaign.”

Experts also raised concerns about the prospects for former Vice President Dick Cheney, who had a defibrillator implanted in 2001. He finished two terms in the White House, including a hard-fought re-election in 2004.

And there is time before general election campaigning in Pennsylvania begins in earnest: It is unclear who Mr. Fetterman’s opponent will be, as the Republican race remains too close to call and may head to a recount.

But Dr. Wan was less sanguine than Dr. Deo about Mr. Fetterman.

“He is at risk for sudden cardiac death,” she said. “For someone on the campaign trail that might raise concerns.”

That last quote is ominous.

People in politics can live a very long time with heart conditions if they receive the appropriate treatment. That ghoul Dick Cheney is still going strong after a heart transplant. Bill Clinton and Mitch McConnell have both had coronary bypass surgery. Bernie Sanders had a heart attack during the last Presidential campaign.

if he makes it to election day, he'll win by 5. if he dies first, he could win by more.

My ❤ goes out.

He may not be able to get back on the campaign trail for some time. Fortunately, there may not be a declared opponent for some time, either.

John Fender Bender will survive.

Guys as big as him are walking time bombs.

I'm rooting for DEATH....YEA DEATH!!!

R566 Fee Fie Foe Fum! The bigger they are, the harder they fall. If he gets in, he will be a one term Senator... one way or another.

R531, Then clearly he's smart enough not to look it.

HRC should never have been the Democratic candidate in 2016. This happenstance was due directly to her and Obama's hubris---their desire to be the first and the Queenmaker to the first Woman POTUS, respectively.

Obama had a perfectly fine, capable, logical, and historically appropriate choice in his Vice-President.

Someone who then actually defeated Trump.

[quote]HRC should never have been the Democratic candidate in 2016

Who should have been, r570?

R570, enough.

Re-read, r571.

R572, Oh, sez YOU! 🙄

Girls let's not resort to cryptocuntery.

Cook Political Report moves three Pennsylvania House races towards republicans

12 House rating changes, all but two in Republicans' direction

Cook is a conservative pollster who dives deep into wishful thinking.

When they have Dina Titus as a Tossup, they are whistling in the dark.

[quote] Cook is a conservative pollster who dives deep into wishful thinking.

R576 must be confusing Charlie Cook, a liberal-leaning non-partisan, with The National Review"s Charles Coooke, definitely a conservative.

In other news, alhough I would've voted for Lamb if I lived in the Commonwealth, that Fetterman is leading Oz 43-42 among white voters in this new poll is spectacular news!

Penn. DEMS made a huge mistake nominating Fetterman. The fit Lamb would have been the correct choice.

Dems have stopped electing Corporate Democrats to open positions. Lamb should have stayed in the House.

[quote] Penn. DEMS made a huge mistake nominating Fetterman. The fit Lamb would have been the correct choice.

You can't argue with success, unless you're an apparent troll like R578. Dems NEVER win the white vote. Don't even come close. That Fetterman has a lead, however narrow, however early, is very predictive of his electoral chances. If the House is lost, at least Dems can keep the more important Senate, by flipping this seat.

That same poll, R577, in contrast with Biden’s 25% deficit, Oz has a 40% deficit favorability rating among independents.

Fetterman is winning the white vote because he doesn't engage in black pandering. Democrats should take note and stop with the Reparations, Defund the Police, White Privilege, Systemic Racism, Affirmative Action, etc...

Fetterman will be a great Senator for Pa., but good God he needs to ditch the Uncle Fester look.

R582 Racist much? Your approach will not win one Democratic seat.

Fakkermann is "gonna stroke out and DIE" by October......DEATH to Fakkerman!!

Someone on Twitter posted a picture that she took with him in the parking lot at Costco. It was from a couple of days ago.

He looked very healthy and he lost some weight. He really did look terrific. Plus he was smiling. I don't think I ever saw him smile before. He actually has a great smile.

I cannot stand Fetterman with his phony progressive ass, but Crazy Ass Dr. Oz is not an option. So we gotta support the big goon! Hope the secretive mother fucker doesn't die before election day.

[quote] Hope the secretive mother fucker doesn't die before election day.

With the crazy guy running for governor only 4 points behind Shapiro, Fetterman, if elected, could be replaced - at least for part of his term - by him!

Shapiro better get his ass in gear.

^ There may be forces beyond his control. Democratic pols believe that many good candidates will fall in this current climate.

No one cares until after Labor Day!!! Fakkerman going to stroke out anyway, I believe there is more to the story than they are saying (the Fakkerman people) I know the Philly Dem.coalition is worried, along with the state Dem Party.

"Fakkerman" is not a clever moniker.

Fatterman?

R591 is posting from 1960.

Sorry R591, in the Philly area, everyone is "downthashore"& doesn't give a "rats ass" about politics. I live in La Jolla, but I know Philly politics (season pro at it). When the Abortion ruling comes out, all HELL will break loose. If the Democratic women can get it together& focus on the Rethugs, it could be a bloodbath in Pennsylvania for the R's Also, the ad Shapiro is running about sex abuse-Catholic church (where r a Black victims). What is Shapiro doing??? It makes no sense!! Too early, no one cares!!! Never believe polls...Remember 2016!!!

[quote]Fetterman is winning the white vote because he doesn't engage in black pandering.

He's winning the vote period because his people know that black people and white people general like him. So he'll carry the smaller towns and he'll carry the bigger cities.

People are done with corporate democrats like Connor Lamb for now.

He's the Unfettered man.

Oh well

R595: “ When the Abortion ruling comes out”

It already did. No one cared.

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