133 people on board. Praying they all survived.
Horrifying.
by Anonymous | reply 1 | March 21, 2022 9:33 AM |
None of them survived
by Anonymous | reply 2 | March 21, 2022 9:48 AM |
I was just thinking yesterday that there will be more plane crashes as pilots are forced to fly longer nonstop flight paths around Russian air space. I wonder if this flight is a casualty of war.
by Anonymous | reply 3 | March 21, 2022 9:57 AM |
Hardly R3 - it was a short haul China Eastern domestic flight.
by Anonymous | reply 4 | March 21, 2022 9:59 AM |
r3 Xi is an ally of Putin
by Anonymous | reply 6 | March 21, 2022 10:01 AM |
I already doubt the "official" explanation that will come out of Chinese state media
Maybe a suicidal pilot, a la Andreas Lubitz?
by Anonymous | reply 7 | March 21, 2022 10:03 AM |
Swords and prawns.
by Anonymous | reply 8 | March 21, 2022 10:08 AM |
Covid?
by Anonymous | reply 9 | March 21, 2022 10:09 AM |
đ»đ
by Anonymous | reply 10 | March 21, 2022 10:11 AM |
R5 you mean Ho Lee Fuk
by Anonymous | reply 11 | March 21, 2022 10:47 AM |
Die, r10
by Anonymous | reply 12 | March 21, 2022 10:47 AM |
R5 if that is a true video it looks like intentional homicide by a pilot
by Anonymous | reply 13 | March 21, 2022 10:49 AM |
I wouldnât expect anything less from a product made in China.
by Anonymous | reply 14 | March 21, 2022 10:52 AM |
Why does bearking SO trigger certain DLers??
by Anonymous | reply 15 | March 21, 2022 10:53 AM |
nobody survived that
by Anonymous | reply 16 | March 21, 2022 10:54 AM |
[quote] Chinese state broadcaster CCTV.
ten to one
this is just the pretense to blame it on another country and will start the taiwan invasion almost immediately
by Anonymous | reply 17 | March 21, 2022 10:55 AM |
R15 because it's stupid and you should hate yourself. Stuff like that happens organically or not at all, you can't force it. That you think you can, despite the chorus telling you that's not how it works, speaks ill of you.
by Anonymous | reply 18 | March 21, 2022 11:02 AM |
R17 I'll take those odds, because that's a wholly ridiculous statement. I'll send you my CashApp.
by Anonymous | reply 19 | March 21, 2022 11:03 AM |
[quote]Why does bearking SO trigger certain DLers??
[quote] because it's stupid and you should hate yourself.
I love when posters like r18 pull up immediately to prove posters like r15
by Anonymous | reply 20 | March 21, 2022 11:04 AM |
any new news?
by Anonymous | reply 21 | March 21, 2022 11:10 AM |
R20 we realize you are also R15.
I think you started out wanting to make it a thing but now you're just trolling because your peabrain is too stubborn and hardheaded to give it up.
You're going to get red tagged again eventually.
by Anonymous | reply 22 | March 21, 2022 11:13 AM |
I've been frequenting the DL for many years -- and I am indeed both r15 and r20.
Posters like r22 remind me that trolls are likely to present traits of the dark tetrad -- psychopathy, narcissism, sadism, and Machiavellianism. In other words, r22 is likely an asshole in real life, too.
by Anonymous | reply 24 | March 21, 2022 11:22 AM |
R24 yes, yes. Please show us on the doll where the bad man touched you.
by Anonymous | reply 25 | March 21, 2022 11:24 AM |
this (airplane crash) is my worst nightmare.
by Anonymous | reply 26 | March 21, 2022 11:25 AM |
This has just happened so let's all jump to conclusions before any facts are known, wheel out well worn racist comments and snipe and insult each other.
The DL at its best.
by Anonymous | reply 27 | March 21, 2022 11:25 AM |
R27 me so sowwy
by Anonymous | reply 28 | March 21, 2022 11:26 AM |
Sum Ting Wong
by Anonymous | reply 29 | March 21, 2022 11:34 AM |
r27 it's been confirmed there was a crash; crews have been out to put out the fire; there are 2 videos of a plane with a completely downward trajectory. This has happened, and I guarantee there are no survivors.
by Anonymous | reply 30 | March 21, 2022 11:35 AM |
r19 Can't I just slip it directly in the slot?
by Anonymous | reply 31 | March 21, 2022 11:58 AM |
Telling somebody that you will pray for them is as useless as sitting there and saying, Iâll think about you.
Way to show that you intend to do absolutely nothing to help them, OP.
by Anonymous | reply 32 | March 21, 2022 12:01 PM |
According to a recent update in the NYT:
[quote] The plane was cruising at an altitude of 29,100 feet when, in just over a minute, it lost more than 21,000 feet. It appeared to briefly regain altitude around 8,000 feet before continuing its plunge, according to Flightradar24âs data.
by Anonymous | reply 33 | March 21, 2022 12:12 PM |
It's a mystery!
by Anonymous | reply 34 | March 21, 2022 12:15 PM |
Aren't those 737 planes fucked up? This isn't the 1st or even 2nd time this has happened.
by Anonymous | reply 35 | March 21, 2022 12:18 PM |
When a plane is at cruising altitude, it represents the safest part of a flight (with the first several minutes and the past few minutes being the most dangerous). Itâs quite telling the plane plummeted 21,000 ft in a minute, only to momentarily level off before crashing.
If this was a US or European flight, it would appear to be a crash due to an intentional act. However, since this is a Chinese aircraft it was likely some cheaply made piece of shit held together by superglue.
by Anonymous | reply 36 | March 21, 2022 12:19 PM |
Wi To Lo
by Anonymous | reply 37 | March 21, 2022 12:26 PM |
This is a 737-800, not a 737-MAX which were the ones that Boeing didn't tell/train pilots about after a software update which was erroneously reporting altitude issues and automatically trying to correct in a way that was confusing to pilots who hadn't been briefed about the changes nor given training. I watched a docu about it and it was really preventable. Boeing is having to pay millions in restitution for attempting to defraud the FAA during the investigation.
One wonders if they didn't make changes to other 737s as well. Although, from those 2 vids, that plane was on a perpendicular trajectory straight into the earth. Could have been intentional.
by Anonymous | reply 38 | March 21, 2022 12:29 PM |
R36 hate to break it to you darling and other uneducated DLers but this was a 737. 737s are manufactured by BOEING. This wasnât a Chinese made aircraft.
by Anonymous | reply 39 | March 21, 2022 12:29 PM |
What r39 said; this was a Boeing aircraft. Nothing to do with a "Chinese" aircraft.
by Anonymous | reply 40 | March 21, 2022 12:30 PM |
Another 737 crash.
Hopefully this ends Elaine Chao.
by Anonymous | reply 41 | March 21, 2022 12:32 PM |
*puts
by Anonymous | reply 42 | March 21, 2022 12:33 PM |
r41 - to be clear, this wasn't a 737-Max crash. China held off on any Max flights.
That said, the quality of Boeing's work has greatly declined since they were taken over by another company and HQ was moved. I can't recall the name of the doc I watched on Netflix, but it gives a really good run through of how the whole Max situation played out, and the decline in quality of Being in general.
by Anonymous | reply 43 | March 21, 2022 12:41 PM |
Just looked it up, it's called "Downfall: the case against Boeing."
by Anonymous | reply 44 | March 21, 2022 12:42 PM |
r27, welcome to the internet! Based on your comment, I don't think you're going to like it here.
by Anonymous | reply 45 | March 21, 2022 12:43 PM |
Fuck the Chinese cunts. Fuck them!
by Anonymous | reply 46 | March 21, 2022 12:43 PM |
As an aside, criticizing Xi and the CCP is not inherently racist. However, Xi and the CCP play RIGHT into that attitude, because it benefits them immensely on the global scale.
by Anonymous | reply 47 | March 21, 2022 12:44 PM |
yes, it was boeing but the fucking airline probably trying to be cheap and hardly ever maintained the plane etc. probably faked all the maintenance records. Chinese cunts are cheats
by Anonymous | reply 48 | March 21, 2022 12:44 PM |
I understand wanting to be cautious. But it is physically impossible for anyone to have survived a crash in which a plan rapidly plummets tens of thousands of feet in under a minute.
by Anonymous | reply 49 | March 21, 2022 12:44 PM |
Just horrible.
by Anonymous | reply 50 | March 21, 2022 12:46 PM |
They all survived according to the official Chinese new agency. Save by superior Chinese manufacturing which does not exploit the common worker.
by Anonymous | reply 51 | March 21, 2022 12:47 PM |
Agreed r49; as I said upthread, nobody survived that crash. The trajectory was insane. And if someone did, that person has about a million angels looking out for them.
And honestly, I kind of resent anyone who is posting about "Chinese cunts" - I would reserve judgment given that Boeing made some major software changes that they didn't train pilots on and are now paying millions of dollars for lying about. There's no proof that these models were effected but hey, I wouldn't put it past them.
by Anonymous | reply 52 | March 21, 2022 12:48 PM |
After reading the update on altitude losses and gains and seeing the plummet footage, it becomes more evident to me that this was an intentional act.
At first I entertained the possibility of a broken plane as the wings were not discernible at all in the footage, but seeing as there was an altitude recovery, that theory was nixed.
by Anonymous | reply 53 | March 21, 2022 12:49 PM |
r51, shut up and go to sleep.
r53 I can't imagine that trajectory not being intentional. Usually crashes are more gradual in alt loss.
by Anonymous | reply 54 | March 21, 2022 12:50 PM |
R52, the Chinese are not your friends and they are fucking cunts, just google the human rights issues they have, among other problems. There is no free speech of any kind to start off with. The list is endless.
They have an annual dog meat festival where tens of thousands of dogs are slaughtered and consumed. They are CUNTS!
by Anonymous | reply 55 | March 21, 2022 12:55 PM |
[quote] Usually crashes are more gradual in alt loss.
There are exceptions (Valujet 592 in Florida, USAir 427 in PA) but these donât involve altitude fluctuations. So, yes, intentional crash.
by Anonymous | reply 56 | March 21, 2022 1:01 PM |
So sad.
by Anonymous | reply 57 | March 21, 2022 1:06 PM |
Looking at the angle and speed of the crash the first thing that come to mind is an intentional act, there are other possibilities like stab issues, maintenance and incapacitation of the crew that will be be reviewed. I hope the Chinese cooperate and are transparent with the investigation, which is a big ask of them.
RIP to the passengers.
by Anonymous | reply 58 | March 21, 2022 1:14 PM |
Boeing was never taken over by another company, but they did move their HQ from Seattle to Chicago because executives were tired of long flights from Seattle to New York and Washington.
by Anonymous | reply 59 | March 21, 2022 1:18 PM |
Horrifying and tragic. RIP all those passengers.
But to those blowing things out of proportion lets keep the big picture in mind. Anyone who's watched Mayday can tell you these things happen from time to time.
I know little about this but could it not be human error R56? I seem to remember an incident where a pilot became so disoriented he basically flew the plane straight into the ground.
by Anonymous | reply 60 | March 21, 2022 1:22 PM |
Symantics, r59. McDonnell Douglas merged with them in 1997. And their HQ was moved.
by Anonymous | reply 61 | March 21, 2022 1:22 PM |
Thoughts and players.
by Anonymous | reply 62 | March 21, 2022 1:23 PM |
r60 there is that chance, and it is a question because Boeing made software changes to the 737-Max line which caused 2 crashes because pilots weren't trained on the new altitude correction system.
But this such a steep descent, it seems unlikely it was an error.
by Anonymous | reply 63 | March 21, 2022 1:25 PM |
Praying for them and their familiesđ.
by Anonymous | reply 64 | March 21, 2022 1:27 PM |
Interesting R63 and very disturbing if it turns out to be intentional. I remember an episode of Mayday where the pilot had a murder-suicide thing going with his co-pilot (or boss or something - I can't quite remember).
by Anonymous | reply 65 | March 21, 2022 1:28 PM |
Omg, terrible.
by Anonymous | reply 66 | March 21, 2022 1:29 PM |
Wow. They died.
by Anonymous | reply 67 | March 21, 2022 1:44 PM |
"No sign of survivors" is being reported. Also, they are grounding all 737-800s for now. They admit it's extremely rare for such a quick descent when at cruising altitude...reported to be 31,000 feet per minute.
by Anonymous | reply 68 | March 21, 2022 1:51 PM |
[quote] There's no proof that these models were effected
Oh, dear!
by Anonymous | reply 69 | March 21, 2022 2:03 PM |
This plane was not the problematic 737 air max or whatever the fuck it's called.
by Anonymous | reply 70 | March 21, 2022 2:04 PM |
I want to see the crash site.
by Anonymous | reply 71 | March 21, 2022 2:06 PM |
A graph of the altitude was posted on Flyertalk. It looks like there was an attempt to recover the aircraft below 10,000 feet.
by Anonymous | reply 72 | March 21, 2022 2:06 PM |
Yes, there was a brief leveling off at approx 8000 feet. That was such a quick descent though; it will be interesting to see what the black box readings show and if there's any audio. Of course we won't learn this for months.
by Anonymous | reply 73 | March 21, 2022 2:10 PM |
For anyone interested in the views/analysis of professional pilots about this event
by Anonymous | reply 74 | March 21, 2022 2:12 PM |
I heard that before passing the beverage cart through the aisles, the stewardesses would go pee pee in your coke.
by Anonymous | reply 75 | March 21, 2022 2:13 PM |
Sinophobia bait thread.
by Anonymous | reply 76 | March 21, 2022 2:19 PM |
Chinese airlines have sketchy maintenance records...they cut corners.
by Anonymous | reply 77 | March 21, 2022 2:19 PM |
In regards to flying, how do we the public even know what kind of plane we are going to be flying on ahead of time?
I myself have only flown 4 times in my life... l.a. to chicago and back and chicago to phoenix and back...
by Anonymous | reply 78 | March 21, 2022 2:21 PM |
Some good news.
by Anonymous | reply 79 | March 21, 2022 2:22 PM |
If this were a 737 MAX, Boeing would be done for.
by Anonymous | reply 80 | March 21, 2022 2:23 PM |
And no you can't have sex with the corpses.
by Anonymous | reply 81 | March 21, 2022 2:23 PM |
They're going to ground the 737-800 planes and claim it was a technical fault to make America look bad and promote Chinese aircraft, when it was clearly an intentional act. I wonder if the pilot left behind a manifesto. It will, of course, never be released.
by Anonymous | reply 82 | March 21, 2022 2:32 PM |
yes, everything will be covered up and the blame will be put on the American company.
by Anonymous | reply 83 | March 21, 2022 2:34 PM |
Who cares about China or its slave population
by Anonymous | reply 84 | March 21, 2022 2:35 PM |
What a petty, joyless thing you are R18. In a site where have to tolerate every warp man can invent, you go ballistic over that.
Never enjoyed a block more. And though I don't care what happens to you, for the benefit of the people exposed to you, you might consider not sweating the small stuff.
by Anonymous | reply 85 | March 21, 2022 2:38 PM |
R10, that was funny.
by Anonymous | reply 86 | March 21, 2022 2:39 PM |
Thank you r74, that was very enlightening.
by Anonymous | reply 87 | March 21, 2022 2:39 PM |
the other freaks who are posting stupid shit should jump off a fucking bridge. 133 LIVES WERE LOST YESTERDAY. HUMAN LIVES. Just go take a flying leap, you misogynists.
I really hope they can eliminate the suspicion around their aircraft/Boeing/software updates. Although, according to the pilot thread that r74 linked, several were leaning toward the suicide way.
by Anonymous | reply 88 | March 21, 2022 2:45 PM |
R85 yes, we know you're also r20, R15 and r10, but nice try. Must have really hit a nerve!
by Anonymous | reply 89 | March 21, 2022 2:45 PM |
Fortune say: ALL DEAD
by Anonymous | reply 90 | March 21, 2022 2:57 PM |
This is why I dont fly. RIP to those poor souls
by Anonymous | reply 91 | March 21, 2022 2:59 PM |
I'm not seeing anything on those videos.
by Anonymous | reply 92 | March 21, 2022 3:02 PM |
I"ll be fucked if I can find it, but I read in the PPruNe link that one guy missed the China Eastern MU5375 flight by a few minutes. It wasn't his time.
by Anonymous | reply 93 | March 21, 2022 3:02 PM |
Erratum R93 MU5735
by Anonymous | reply 94 | March 21, 2022 3:03 PM |
[Wuote]Although, according to the pilot thread that [R74] linked, several were leaning toward the suicide way.
The majority are leaning toward malfunction... tail issues ..the rudder again.
by Anonymous | reply 95 | March 21, 2022 3:07 PM |
That sucker went straight down!
by Anonymous | reply 96 | March 21, 2022 3:09 PM |
i've never seen an almost straight down crash. Perhaps it could be a hijack which is why there was a very brief recovery at 8k feet. but to me, it seems unlikely with that trajectory.
by Anonymous | reply 97 | March 21, 2022 3:11 PM |
Boeing and McDonnell Douglas merged in the late 90s. The former MD management team was put in charge of the combined company following the merger. There was a sea change in corporate culture, lots of cost-cutting, and moving HQ to Chicago isolated engineers physically in Seattle and minimized their input in the direction of the company. Boeing is a shadow of its former self.
by Anonymous | reply 98 | March 21, 2022 3:21 PM |
R60 I literally watched that episode yesterday. And now you mention it today. Creepy af. Yes, that pilot flew from Dubai to a Russian city and it was the night and tough conditions with wind. He got disoriented and it resulted in the crash.
by Anonymous | reply 99 | March 21, 2022 3:22 PM |
R65 There's also that Germanwings pilot who wanted to suicide and crashed it on purpose.
by Anonymous | reply 100 | March 21, 2022 3:26 PM |
r98, just what i was saying upthread about the merger and deterioration of quality. The employees (experts) were cut back with cost cutting measures and their quality assurance was cut back quite a bit. They were hurried in their production of aircraft and were given deadlines that didn't allow them to actually check the aircraft out in full. Their product suffered.
by Anonymous | reply 101 | March 21, 2022 3:27 PM |
I donât trust those Chinese to have properly maintained any of their planes. In fact, Boeing shouldnât even be selling planes to countries like China with corrupt governments. Let them all fly on their own shit planes, or on Russian-built death traps.
by Anonymous | reply 102 | March 21, 2022 3:46 PM |
R77 Aren't Russian airlines banned in the EU? Or they used to be, because of maintanance issues. Didn't know that was the case for Chinese airlines too.
by Anonymous | reply 103 | March 21, 2022 3:48 PM |
R91 Same. I've been claustrophobic since I was a kid. Flying doesn't appeal to me. Being stuck in a death trap, no thanks.
by Anonymous | reply 104 | March 21, 2022 3:51 PM |
Uh, oh--Another Boeing 373!
by Anonymous | reply 105 | March 21, 2022 3:51 PM |
^ Boeing 737
by Anonymous | reply 106 | March 21, 2022 3:51 PM |
[quote] This plane was not the problematic 737 air max or whatever the fuck it's called.
How do you know?
It WAS a Boeing 737. If not the MAX, it would be pretty old
by Anonymous | reply 108 | March 21, 2022 3:54 PM |
The Netflix documentary was brilliant.
And if you are so inclined, research that Ethiopian Airlines Crash. (The 2nd MAX crash)
I have never seen such a flight filled with truly good people trying to help the less fortunate- Many Americans.
That plane crashed at one of the highest speeds ever- Along the lines of that 1987 PSA crash which broke the sound barrier.
I wish that crash got more press as those people deserve to be remembered.
by Anonymous | reply 109 | March 21, 2022 3:55 PM |
Just as the documentary about the 737Max says, we first blame everyone else--pilot training, poor maintenance in other countries, etc.
...and then we find out it's the plane's crappy software
by Anonymous | reply 110 | March 21, 2022 3:56 PM |
What was the name of the Netflix documentary?
I'll watch it tonight.
by Anonymous | reply 111 | March 21, 2022 3:57 PM |
i already talked about the NF doc upthread, duh. Jeez, do any of you read the messages in the thread?
by Anonymous | reply 112 | March 21, 2022 3:57 PM |
And those Boeing motherfuckers who killed those people deserve life in prison.
I do not know how they did not serve prison time.
The documentary really showed you what scumbags they are.
by Anonymous | reply 113 | March 21, 2022 3:58 PM |
Downfall: The Case Against Boeing.
by Anonymous | reply 114 | March 21, 2022 3:59 PM |
Just looked it up, it's called "Downfall: the case against Boeing." âAnonymous 1 reply 44 3 hours ago
by Anonymous | reply 115 | March 21, 2022 4:02 PM |
[quote]And those Boeing motherfuckers who killed those people deserve life in prison. I do not know how they did not serve prison time.
Prison is for the little people.
by Anonymous | reply 116 | March 21, 2022 4:03 PM |
Let me chime in too and thank r74.
by Anonymous | reply 117 | March 21, 2022 4:44 PM |
[quote] Just go take a flying leap, you misogynists.
And there it is. Found the Frau!
The go-to accusation when all else fails. Fuck off, cunt!
by Anonymous | reply 118 | March 21, 2022 4:45 PM |
[quote] How do you know? It WAS a Boeing 737
Because it was a 737-800, not a 737-MAX.
Did you even read the link at OP?
by Anonymous | reply 119 | March 21, 2022 4:50 PM |
I cannot bring myself to watch the Netflix documentary. I know - Mary! - but it took me years to feel comfortable on a 737 after those nosedives into the ground that a couple of 737s took in the 90s - apparently due to some design flaw.
by Anonymous | reply 120 | March 21, 2022 4:54 PM |
[quote] In fact, Boeing shouldnât even be selling planes to countries like China with corrupt governments.
If that were the main criterion, Boeing wouldn't sell in the US
by Anonymous | reply 121 | March 21, 2022 4:58 PM |
The trolls can cry Sinophobia all they want. Their xenophobia against Americans is just as shameful, until they put that behavior behind them, people will feel free to fight fire with fire.
by Anonymous | reply 122 | March 21, 2022 4:59 PM |
Iâve never forgiven the Chinese since I saw that housekeeper bitch slap little Christian Bale in Empire of the Sun.
by Anonymous | reply 123 | March 21, 2022 5:10 PM |
Yeah, but he liked it r123.
by Anonymous | reply 124 | March 21, 2022 5:13 PM |
Funny how our anger at China rose as China became a bigger and bigger economic rival.
The US always needs an enemy, but it's tough when it's our biggest trade partner.
by Anonymous | reply 125 | March 21, 2022 5:51 PM |
Who gives a fuck? Theyâve killed nearly 1,000,000 people in the US alone.
by Anonymous | reply 126 | March 21, 2022 7:23 PM |
R126, sure, itâs all Chinaâs fault and has nothing to do with people pretending thereâs no pandemic.
by Anonymous | reply 127 | March 21, 2022 8:00 PM |
I'm not up on emoji jokes.
What does R10's post mean?
by Anonymous | reply 128 | March 21, 2022 9:31 PM |
DL forbidden words, R128...
by Anonymous | reply 130 | March 21, 2022 9:35 PM |
Ah, got it.
Rofl.
Thanks, R129.
by Anonymous | reply 131 | March 21, 2022 9:35 PM |
Falun Gong strikes again!
by Anonymous | reply 132 | March 21, 2022 9:36 PM |
Wei tu lo.
by Anonymous | reply 133 | March 21, 2022 9:38 PM |
r132 = CCP party official
by Anonymous | reply 134 | March 21, 2022 9:42 PM |
Those âfunny Chinese nameâ jokes were tired years ago.
All that you are doing is sharing your lack of sophistication with the rest of us.
by Anonymous | reply 135 | March 21, 2022 9:51 PM |
Smell you.
by Anonymous | reply 136 | March 21, 2022 9:54 PM |
Aw, wat soh bat R135?
Sum ting wong?
by Anonymous | reply 137 | March 21, 2022 9:55 PM |
Especially when that one has already been done.
by Anonymous | reply 138 | March 21, 2022 9:55 PM |
Was it one of the Max planes that was previously grounded?
by Anonymous | reply 139 | March 21, 2022 9:57 PM |
Rosie O'Donnell has issued a statement about the incident.
by Anonymous | reply 140 | March 21, 2022 9:57 PM |
ççïŒ
by Anonymous | reply 141 | March 21, 2022 9:58 PM |
R141 translated: đ»đ
So you don't have to waste your time.
by Anonymous | reply 142 | March 21, 2022 10:01 PM |
R139 As detailed in the original post, it was not a Max, but a 737-800. Only six years old, delivered new to China Eastern and manufactured in the USA.
by Anonymous | reply 143 | March 21, 2022 10:08 PM |
Thank you both for so perfectly proving my point, R136 and R137.
by Anonymous | reply 144 | March 21, 2022 10:09 PM |
The 737-800 is a very common aircraft. Itâs flown by American, Delta, United, Southwest, and Alaska in the US.
by Anonymous | reply 145 | March 21, 2022 10:25 PM |
[quote]If this were a 737 MAX, Boeing would be done for.
r80 if this crash is due to anything other than pilot error or hijacking, Boeing is in DEEP SHIT, MAX or no MAX. Way too many incidents in recent years. COVID reduced the number of planes in the sky, it does not look good that one of theirs has gone down again as soon as flight activity starts getting back to pre-COVID levels.
by Anonymous | reply 146 | March 21, 2022 10:46 PM |
I still don't understand the bear and crown emoji and / or what "bearking" is meant to convey.
by Anonymous | reply 147 | March 21, 2022 10:47 PM |
Bearking is a cute way of saying Breaking. Rather than write out the word, and to get visual attention, we see the emoji of a bear + one of a king. Am I right?
by Anonymous | reply 148 | March 21, 2022 10:55 PM |
Southwest is the worldâs largest operator of the Boeing 737. Currently with a fleet of 735 aircraft, including the -700, -800, and MAX8 variants. And you know Southwest has had ONE passenger fatality throughout its entire existence since 1971.
Almost all of these recent incidents happen overseas. The problem is not Boeingâs planes. Itâs the poor maintenance, poor training, and lax safety practices that cause these crashes to be more frequent in places like Asia, the Middle East, and Russia.
by Anonymous | reply 149 | March 21, 2022 11:08 PM |
[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]
by Anonymous | reply 150 | March 21, 2022 11:08 PM |
[quote] Was it one of the Max planes that was previously grounded?
JFC, read the goddamn link or the fucking thread.
by Anonymous | reply 151 | March 21, 2022 11:18 PM |
r149 = Dave Calhoun
by Anonymous | reply 152 | March 21, 2022 11:37 PM |
Right, R149, because air crashes hardly ever happen in the good olâ USA.
by Anonymous | reply 153 | March 21, 2022 11:46 PM |
Boy thatâs hard to believe about Southwest. Theyâre such a cheapie airline and the customer service is like a bunch of teenagers behind a fast food counter.
by Anonymous | reply 154 | March 21, 2022 11:46 PM |
DM is reporting that Boeing's 737-800 have been involved in 22 accidents with over 600+ fatalities since 1998. Not a good track record.
That pilot gossip thread, as well as other media sources, are showing pieces of "trim" that have been found by villagers not at the impact crater. Given that everything at the crash site was "instantly incinerated" (indeed, the pics show pretty much no whole pieces of the plane), there are indicators that parts of the plane began ripping off. We'll see how this pans out.
by Anonymous | reply 155 | March 22, 2022 1:16 AM |
It was most likely a bomb.
by Anonymous | reply 156 | March 22, 2022 2:38 AM |
My fear of flying is not irrational is it now
by Anonymous | reply 157 | March 22, 2022 2:43 AM |
R157. Statistically speaking, you're still more likely to die from a variety of other things. Like a car crash (depending on where you live).
But I will be taking a very close look at what flights I book from now on.
by Anonymous | reply 158 | March 22, 2022 2:45 AM |
Your chances of ever being in a plane crash are close to zero.
by Anonymous | reply 159 | March 22, 2022 2:49 AM |
"They" often say in these kinds of situations that passengers would have passed out just to keep the freak out factor to a minimum. Lies. In a long travel with an unpressurized/depressurized cabin, totally possible just from lack of oxygen. However, these poor bastards were in terror, plummeting that fast in a near perfect nose dive, as you can see, is fucking fast, not nearly enough time for G force to make you unconscious. Horrific way to go. That thing dropped like a stone. I wonder if the "brief regain" at 8k feet was just a fluke of air draft.
by Anonymous | reply 160 | March 22, 2022 3:48 AM |
Eat shit, R151.
by Anonymous | reply 161 | March 22, 2022 5:12 AM |
Behind the scenes, China must have balked at helping Putin.
by Anonymous | reply 162 | March 22, 2022 5:34 AM |
[quote]Itâs the poor maintenance, poor training, and lax safety practices that cause these crashes to be more frequent in places like Asia, the Middle East, and Russia.
And Africa . Notoriously bad as well.
by Anonymous | reply 163 | March 22, 2022 5:44 AM |
Is there anyone else reading this thread that has experienced even a SIMULATED crash? I have. Iâm an airline pilot and have been in a simulator during trading when my partner fucked the pooch⊠in the sim the screen turns bright red but we are all also subjected to a bit of a g-force âfuck youâ shock courtesy of the hydraulics.
I introduce my bona fides that way because I am experiencing a visceral reaction to some of the comments here mostly because I have no clue the experience, personal or professional, of the person posting.
Itâs pretty basic understanding of air crashes that if it was a bomb, we wouldnât have seen such a solid object descending/falling as that video showed. The âincineratedâ pieces of wreckage would seem consistent with a high-energy impact scenario. And that scenario would suggest either a deliberate action to ânose-diveâ the plane, or an uncontrolled scenario⊠but that would be contradicted by the clear nose-down attitude shown in that video.
Boeing probably has little exposure here, given the safety history of the 737 (non-MAX). Chinese pilots are basically high-flying serfs⊠chosen because they show some talent (usually just speaking enough English), paid somewhat decent wages for basically signing their life away to do just one job that they may never wanted to do. IMO, there is a clear and widely open door through which mentally ill prospects may walk.
Finally, and specifically for R155, you are measuring the -800âs safety statistics through a prism that is somehow still smaller than your dick. 600+ fatalities across 22 incidents? Thatâs less than 30 dead per incident flight. And 22 incidents against the MILLIONS of flights during the 24 years since 1998? Yeah, youâre a micro-peen for sure.
by Anonymous | reply 164 | March 22, 2022 5:48 AM |
[quote]Is there anyone else reading this thread that has experienced even a SIMULATED crash?
R164 Not a crash (wouldn't be here oherwise), but a belly landing due to stuck landing gear. Don't want to say how many decades ago, but luckily it was winter and plenty of snow on the runway. Lots of passengers with minor injuries. The airline bussed us all into a hangar where those who wanted it were checked by medical crew. The airline wouldn't release passengers until we signed a Release Form releasing the airline of all responsibility.
by Anonymous | reply 165 | March 22, 2022 5:59 AM |
r164 - you seem particularly upset for some reason. I am r155 and I was just reporting the facts I've seen here and there that have been reported. I am not the person who suggested a bomb; in fact, as you said...the incineration of the debris indicates it was a high energy impact event and there was no smoke on the video or explosion sounds before impact reported. I've been reading the thread linked below at Professional Pilots Rumour Network and am just taking it all in.
And I'm not a man, so I don't have a "micro-peen." I'm a bisexual women. There is no reason to throw feces around.
by Anonymous | reply 166 | March 22, 2022 6:00 AM |
Addendum R165 And I never flew that airline again. Didn't want to push my luck.
by Anonymous | reply 167 | March 22, 2022 6:01 AM |
^^*woman
by Anonymous | reply 168 | March 22, 2022 6:24 AM |
Well, a clitoris can be considered a micro-peen
by Anonymous | reply 169 | March 22, 2022 6:50 AM |
[quote] I have. Iâm an airline pilot and have been in a simulator during trading when my partner fucked the poochâŠ
Are you a gay pilot? Have you ever had sex in the cockpit? (The jokes write themselves).
by Anonymous | reply 170 | March 22, 2022 6:53 AM |
LOL r169. Anyways, I've been finding the speculations on the PPRN site interesting. As I'm not in the business, I of course haven't commented over there, just have been reading the thoughts and opinions expressed on the thread. I initially thought it to be pilot suicide (and expressed that upthread) but now, in reading at the other site, see there might be other explanations.
by Anonymous | reply 171 | March 22, 2022 6:54 AM |
R153: There hasnât been a commercial airline crash in the US since 2009. There have been fatal incidents in which a few people have died, but Americans have room to gloat all day and all night when it comes to our flight safety record.
As others have noted, rigorous maintenance and well-trained pilots are crucial to flight safety.
by Anonymous | reply 172 | March 22, 2022 7:36 AM |
Video linked was live streamed from a doomed passenger on the plane.
Chinese website claims pilot suicide.
by Anonymous | reply 173 | March 22, 2022 10:22 AM |
must have been removed already r173; when I click on it, it just sits there and goes nowhere
by Anonymous | reply 174 | March 22, 2022 10:26 AM |
Nevermind, i used a different browser. that's fucking horrible...
by Anonymous | reply 175 | March 22, 2022 10:28 AM |
[quote]pieces of "trim"
Pics please.
by Anonymous | reply 176 | March 22, 2022 10:36 AM |
Sadly, no one is capable of surviving that if the video is legit. The way it plummeted nose down is so horrifying. My worst nightmare. To me it seemed deliberate, like a pilot suicide, but I saw comments saying that there are other possible explanations, and I'm definitely not knowledgeable enough to say. It looked like the plane was just cruising along when suddenly it went into freefall, but I saw someone say they thought it happened when the plane was starting its descent, so that could point to a mechanical issue instead.
[quote]I still don't understand the bear and crown emoji and / or what "bearking" is meant to convey.
I think someone wrote "bearking" instead of "breaking" as a typo once and it stuck as a DL joke, like "Lens" Dunham.
by Anonymous | reply 177 | March 22, 2022 10:54 AM |
Somebody said on a different board that the vid looked like it was the Ethiopean Airlines crash, not the China Airlines crash. ?? Don't know.
by Anonymous | reply 178 | March 22, 2022 11:08 AM |
Can someone repost the video it wonât open for me
by Anonymous | reply 179 | March 22, 2022 11:10 AM |
Itâs not a video - itâs an image
by Anonymous | reply 180 | March 22, 2022 11:12 AM |
No, it's a video, not an image. There's screaming and everything.
I had to use Chrome (diff browser than i usually use), navigate to this thread (without my login) to open the link from this thread. it's a vid. But somebody on another board said it's not China Air, it's Ethiopian Air.
by Anonymous | reply 181 | March 22, 2022 11:16 AM |
Deep inside, you know that if Donald Trump had been in that plane, he would have been able to snatch the joystick away from the Commies, right the course and allow it to make a safe landing on the nearest airport.
by Anonymous | reply 182 | March 22, 2022 11:20 AM |
Sorry - you are right, R181. Thanks for the instructions.
Also, the video appears to be a flight simulation.
by Anonymous | reply 183 | March 22, 2022 11:20 AM |
r183 I'm glad to know it's a flight simulation. i'll be able to sleep a little now.
by Anonymous | reply 184 | March 22, 2022 11:23 AM |
JINA!!!
by Anonymous | reply 185 | March 22, 2022 11:30 AM |
[quote] Chinese website claims pilot suicide.
Not surprised, as it allows both China and Boeing to save face and avoid possible legal actions.
Each country chooses an event target which will deflect blame from their national carrier, its employees, avoid political complications and, hopefully, reap some financial benefits. Such as the Ethiopian Air 302 event. The government and everyone else was quick to blame Boeing. This, long before serious investigation commenced - and how those investigations were at all serious considering the locals were filmed walking all over the crash site picking up and carting away anything that looked like it might be of value. It deflected from pilot inexperience and poor maintenance records. And Ethiopian Air is suppose to be one of "better" African airlines.
by Anonymous | reply 186 | March 22, 2022 11:42 AM |
The pilot, the airline, the manufacturer. The usual sequence of blame in aircraft crashes.
by Anonymous | reply 187 | March 22, 2022 11:46 AM |
R178, the logo on the wing is the Ethiopian Airlines logo.
R183, yeah, it does look more like a flight simulation and the screams sound pre-recorded.
by Anonymous | reply 188 | March 22, 2022 12:07 PM |
I think in the future, on my trips to Europe or Hawaii or Australia, I'll take a Ship and get there when I get there!...
by Anonymous | reply 189 | March 22, 2022 1:16 PM |
Yes r189 because catching Covid or being refused to dock is so much fun on the high seas.
by Anonymous | reply 190 | March 22, 2022 1:27 PM |
I guess the only good thing about that crash is that no one on board probably felt a thing other than the terror during the dive. That crash was catastrophic and everyone had to have died in an instant. 2 close family friends were on the ValuJet crash that went down in the Everglades and the authorities said that plane crashed in a straight vertical dive as well. There was nothing left of any of the passengers other than small hunks of flesh and bone.
by Anonymous | reply 191 | March 22, 2022 1:35 PM |
Everyone knows Asians canât drive for shit. Not sure why people think theyâd be any better at flying a plane.
by Anonymous | reply 192 | March 22, 2022 1:38 PM |
That plane must have lost all mechanical control (unless the crash was intentional). Even a big passenger jet should be able to glide if it lost engine power, as long as the rudder and the ailerons were still operational. The way that plane crashed it's as if both wings had been sheared off.
by Anonymous | reply 193 | March 22, 2022 1:39 PM |
[quote] Not a crash (wouldn't be here oherwise), but a belly landing due to stuck landing gear.
Psst. Thatâs a âcrash,â albeit not a catastrophic one, but a crash nonetheless.
by Anonymous | reply 194 | March 22, 2022 1:42 PM |
A plane coming down in a 100% vertical dive is not a catastrophic crash? I beg to differ.
by Anonymous | reply 195 | March 22, 2022 1:51 PM |
[quote] Psst. Thatâs a âcrash,â
R194 Ya know. That's EXACTLY what it sounded like when the plane's belly hit the runway. The mutha of all WHOMPS then a crashing sound. But according to the airline, we're alive, therefore it wasn't a crash. Ever since then, a "crash" to me is pieces of plane, humans and baggage scattered over a wide area.
by Anonymous | reply 196 | March 22, 2022 1:51 PM |
All successful airplane landings are considered controlled crashes. LOL
by Anonymous | reply 197 | March 22, 2022 1:58 PM |
R197 Old Kai Tak, Papeete and SFO are truly controlled crashes.
by Anonymous | reply 198 | March 22, 2022 2:00 PM |
How well I know R198. I landed at Kai Tak twice, and SFO at least 6 times. Of the two Kai Tak was the scariest. Can't say about Papeete, but I can certainly imagine it's a chore to get a big aircraft down there. The winds coming off the ocean must surely be brutal.
by Anonymous | reply 199 | March 22, 2022 2:10 PM |
R195, what the fuck are you talking about?
Nobody said this crash wasnât catastrophic.
by Anonymous | reply 200 | March 22, 2022 2:12 PM |
R189, just avoid flying with Boeings, especially 737s.
by Anonymous | reply 201 | March 22, 2022 2:14 PM |
[quote]Can't say about Papeete, but I can certainly imagine it's a chore to get a big aircraft down there.
Kai Tak was the world's best wild ride. I was indeed saddened when they opened Chep Lap Kok.
Papeete is a horror, especially at night, when the plane's descending lower and lower and there's nothing around you but Pacific Ocean. It was a real crap shoot before they lengthened the runways. You never knew if were going to stop on the runway or overshoot it and end up in someone's taro patch.
by Anonymous | reply 202 | March 22, 2022 2:17 PM |
R201 thatâs ridiculous. Itâs the most successful Boeing plane and taking into account the total flying hours vs crashes, itâs a safe aircraft. The MAX was a massive failure though because of the race to the bottom of the barrel to appease shareholders vs upholding safety standards.
by Anonymous | reply 203 | March 22, 2022 2:19 PM |
R191- And on Valujet, the interior was on fire so luckily those passengers probably passed out prior to crash. The pilot and co pilot did- The cabin was silent for the last minute..
by Anonymous | reply 204 | March 22, 2022 2:22 PM |
^^ sorry the cockpit was
by Anonymous | reply 205 | March 22, 2022 2:39 PM |
[quote]Even a big passenger jet should be able to glide if it lost engine power, as long as the rudder and the ailerons were still operational.
A skilled pilot can still land a plane even with both engines out.
by Anonymous | reply 206 | March 22, 2022 2:41 PM |
Fly Airbus, r203.
by Anonymous | reply 207 | March 22, 2022 2:44 PM |
R203 Itâs that mentality that churns out pilots who lack the training and skill to manually fly an aircraft when things go tits up. Technology canât compensate for true human skill.
by Anonymous | reply 208 | March 22, 2022 3:23 PM |
R208 no new planes fly manually. Everything is fly by wire now.
by Anonymous | reply 209 | March 22, 2022 4:26 PM |
where is the video from? I mean was it a CCTV camera that caught the crash?
by Anonymous | reply 210 | March 22, 2022 4:35 PM |
[Quote]Kai Tak was the world's best wild ride.
Have you done Katmandu? Diapers required.
by Anonymous | reply 211 | March 22, 2022 4:50 PM |
R209 You should not be spreading misinformation like that, not all passenger aircraft use FBW which is most associated with Airbus. Boeing does not have the same control law/control limitation philosophy.
A well trained pilot with manual flight experience can handle either type when things go wrong and prevent upsets, the MAX for example did have some issues here in the US but no crashes because the mentality here is to not trust automation as much and pay attention to your controls instead of allowing a computer to babysit the flight for you, in the US hand flying is considered an important skill plus following cockpit procedures which is what saves the day.
by Anonymous | reply 212 | March 22, 2022 4:54 PM |
[quote] Have you done Katmandu? Diapers required.
R211 It's on my list. I want to do the Anapurna Base trek.
by Anonymous | reply 213 | March 22, 2022 5:00 PM |
I just got a Breaking News alert from the New York TimesâŠ
Apparently, nobody survived the crash in which a plane plummeted 30,000 feet in less than 75 seconds!!!! I feel sorry for all the family members who showed up at the crash site, thinking they were going to drive their shaken, but otherwise unhurt, loved ones home.
by Anonymous | reply 214 | March 22, 2022 5:10 PM |
The Air Alaska flight that crashed off Calif went nose down like this aircraft. Other pilots witnessed it. The NTSB determined the problem to be a screw that came loose in the rudder. Poor maint practice was the final finding.
by Anonymous | reply 215 | March 22, 2022 5:10 PM |
It's a video/image from a flight simulation to assess an Ethiopian Airlines crash, r210. It's nothing to do with this Chinese crash.
by Anonymous | reply 216 | March 22, 2022 5:10 PM |
That's appalling, r215.
by Anonymous | reply 217 | March 22, 2022 5:14 PM |
R215, Iâve read about the Alaskan Airlines flight, and it was 1,000 times more terrifying than the recent crash in China. The Chinese plane went down fastâŠand it appears to have plummeted after sustaining cruising altitude. With the Alaskan Airlines flight, the pilots alternated between barely keeping the flight stable and losing control. At one point, it was even cruising while upside down before other pilots in their area watched it crash.
by Anonymous | reply 218 | March 22, 2022 5:16 PM |
Itâs âAlaska Airlinesâ.
by Anonymous | reply 220 | March 22, 2022 5:35 PM |
Yes, and it was the stripped screw in the stabilizer not the rudder.
by Anonymous | reply 221 | March 22, 2022 5:49 PM |
Don't worry, gays. It's Chinatown.
by Anonymous | reply 222 | March 22, 2022 6:20 PM |
And those two Alaskan Airline pilots WERE fucking heroes- A word used way too loosely.
Unbelievable grace and talent under unbeatable odds and insane conditions.
Its been made clear that those passengers went through utter hell on that flight (they were probably knocked around the entire cabin-
Those pilots- I believe one's name was Tansey-were great men.
by Anonymous | reply 223 | March 22, 2022 9:09 PM |
Is Plane Crash Death troll still among us?
by Anonymous | reply 224 | March 22, 2022 10:21 PM |
R224- I was one of the semi Plane Crash Trolls-
I find flying and crashes fascinating and compelling.
I don't know how anyone has the balls to get into a plane and learn how to fly! Its amazing to me.
by Anonymous | reply 225 | March 22, 2022 10:30 PM |
You and me are simpatico, r225.
Iâm endlessly fascinated by aviation and their unfortunate tragedies, as rare as they are.
But do not make the mistake I did by watching one of those Mayday episodes or similar the night before getting on a plane. Trust.
by Anonymous | reply 226 | March 22, 2022 10:33 PM |
Does that horrible "pull up" message start playing in the cockpit when the plane gets too close to terrain?
by Anonymous | reply 227 | March 22, 2022 10:34 PM |
Only when the pilot forgets to close his fly after stepping away.
by Anonymous | reply 228 | March 22, 2022 10:36 PM |
r227 that "Pull Up" notification would give me an instant panic attack. The stuff of nightmares.
by Anonymous | reply 229 | March 22, 2022 10:37 PM |
Stall warning would be scary too.
That horrible crash in Buffalo- Colgan Air-
Taught me that if I was ever made to be Karen Allen or whatever her name is from that old film where everyone is dead and she has to fly a plane-
If you STALL- You put the nose DOWN!!!!! Not up. You want to increase lift and speed.
When I read on the pilot boards- that particular crash was one of the most DUMB crashes ever and seriously due to pilot error. And from what I read he did everything right in his situation, but pulling up.
by Anonymous | reply 230 | March 22, 2022 11:13 PM |
R230, those were VERY inexperienced pilots flying in icing conditions who were in way over their heads.
by Anonymous | reply 231 | March 23, 2022 12:32 AM |
Not for the faint of heart.
This is regarding the Ethiopian Airlines Crash, which crashed from around 9000 feet I believe.
This would be what the passengers on this China flight would have went through- while conscious...
by Anonymous | reply 232 | March 23, 2022 12:55 AM |
I canât believe that, according to the article, the Chinese authorities seem to be still harboring hopes of finding survivors.
by Anonymous | reply 234 | March 23, 2022 10:37 AM |
I canât believe that, according to the article, the Chinese authorities seem to be still harboring hopes of finding survivors.
by Anonymous | reply 235 | March 23, 2022 10:38 AM |
Yes, the authorities as well as some of the family of the victims. It's been 2 days...and they have reported that calculations of their speed during descent approached speed-of-sound levels (citation: Bloomberg, but others have also proposed this as well). I'd be shocked if they found more than just chunks of flesh or bone. Making all of this more difficult is that it's now pouring rain and is expected to have the same weather conditions through the end of the week. Some sources have reported operations have been suspended for recovery because the rain is causing small landslides during search.
Black box is so badly mangled that they are unsure which one it is at this point.
by Anonymous | reply 236 | March 23, 2022 10:52 AM |
R225 & R226 Count me in as another aerial disaster aficionado.
by Anonymous | reply 237 | March 23, 2022 12:20 PM |
Has DL fave Richard Quest sobered up yet to offer commentary?
by Anonymous | reply 238 | March 23, 2022 12:23 PM |
[quote] One black box found.
That box is orange.
Oh, yeah, Iâve got my eye on you now! Mmm hmmm.
by Anonymous | reply 239 | March 23, 2022 1:29 PM |
[quote]Does that horrible "pull up" message start playing in the cockpit when the plane gets too close to terrain?
I think in this case it was "poo wup".
by Anonymous | reply 240 | March 23, 2022 3:28 PM |
R240, Yes- And then I think "TERRAIN-TERRAIN" when there is basically no time left-
by Anonymous | reply 241 | March 23, 2022 3:32 PM |
The following post came from another online site, and I asked for more info/source verification:
"Pilot was suicidal, and slipped something in the co-pilotâs drink. Steered downward and then took a break when the plane leveled off to regroup/regain strength.
Continued carrying out his intentions. God bless all those innocent people!"
by Anonymous | reply 242 | March 23, 2022 5:02 PM |
A guy I follow on Youtube says he thought it was deliberate as well...
by Anonymous | reply 243 | March 23, 2022 5:03 PM |
I'm not sure the news that it was pilot suicide makes me feel any better. It can happen anywhere, with any type of aircraft. We now have China Eastern Airlines, Germanwings, and the long-forgotten (but not by me) Egypt Air crash.
by Anonymous | reply 244 | March 23, 2022 5:11 PM |
^^ Dan gryder. He was the funny/odd pilot dude who read Gwynn "The Hair" Sham-lin for filth!
I'll link it. I was very surprised that this was his opinion so fast
by Anonymous | reply 245 | March 23, 2022 5:12 PM |
I always turn to a guy on Youtube for important information.
by Anonymous | reply 246 | March 23, 2022 5:19 PM |
[quote] A guy I follow on Youtube says he thought it was deliberate as well...
Well then, thread closed.
by Anonymous | reply 247 | March 23, 2022 6:12 PM |
Ooooh. You shouldâve all-caps-it as BREAKING!!! R248.
Especially since it broke over 10 hours ago here.
But you keep up that good investigative reporting, Cronkite. One day youâll make it.
by Anonymous | reply 249 | March 23, 2022 7:57 PM |
WARNING: NOT FOR THE SQUEAMISH
When I saw this photo a while back it made me never want to get on another aircraft for the remainder of my life.
by Anonymous | reply 250 | March 23, 2022 8:40 PM |
Thanks for the warning. (Seriously)
by Anonymous | reply 251 | March 23, 2022 8:42 PM |
Thats that Ukraine crash ironically. I have seen far worse.
The only reason the bodies are semi in one piece is because they had "flail" industries because the plane exploded in mid air.
Crashed like US AIR 427 and this China crash leave things that don't even look human.
by Anonymous | reply 252 | March 23, 2022 9:04 PM |
RE USAir Flight 427:
[quote]The National Transportation Safety Board investigated the crash. All 127 passengers and five crew members were killed.â For the first time in NTSB history, investigators were required to wear full-body biohazard suits while inspecting the accident site. As a result of the severity of the crash impact, the bodies of the passengers and crew were severely fragmented, leading investigators to declare the site a biohazard, requiring 2,000 body bags for the 6,000 recovered human remains.
by Anonymous | reply 253 | March 23, 2022 9:33 PM |
There was a problem with their lift and when they corrected it, one of the wings broke off resulting in the steep dive and speed.
by Anonymous | reply 254 | March 23, 2022 9:46 PM |
If a wing broke off, wouldnât the plane have spiraled? I think it was Juan Brown who said it had 2 wings as it wasnât spiraling.
by Anonymous | reply 255 | March 23, 2022 9:59 PM |
R255- Yes. Even USAir 427 corkscrewed, as did Alaska Airlines.(I think its called inverted?)
This plane flew straight into the ground, which I think offers a few clues..
by Anonymous | reply 256 | March 23, 2022 10:08 PM |
Has Xi invaded Taiwan yet?
by Anonymous | reply 257 | March 23, 2022 10:10 PM |
Xiâs gotta have it!
by Anonymous | reply 258 | March 23, 2022 10:21 PM |
[quote] Ooooh. You shouldâve all-caps-it as BREAKING!!! [R248]. Especially since it broke over 10 hours ago here.
Right over your head. Did you even look at the link?!
by Anonymous | reply 259 | March 23, 2022 11:02 PM |
[quote] Ooooh. You shouldâve all-caps-it as BREAKING!!! [R248]. Especially since it broke over 10 hours ago here.
Right over your head. Did you even look at the link?!
by Anonymous | reply 260 | March 23, 2022 11:02 PM |
Silk Air 185, a 737, left its cruising altitude of 35k and in less than a minute it was in the ground. Egypt Air 990 took a bit longer to dive from its 33k cruising altitude, 130 secs, as there were recovery attempts.
This aircraft took 112 seconds to hit the ground from 29100. About 15 seconds were spent at recovery.
Not saying this is suicide/homicide, but this fall from cruising altitude was a lot faster than non-suicide crashes such as AF447 and AA261.
by Anonymous | reply 261 | March 24, 2022 12:07 AM |
Take it easy on r249, she has special needs.
by Anonymous | reply 262 | March 24, 2022 12:35 AM |
Count me in as a crash porn aficionado - thereâs no Air Crash Investigation, Flight Channel (with radio audio), National Geographic, Smithsonian, or Mayday show I havenât seen. And to me (admittedly not an expert) this, as well as MH370, reeks of intentional deviation.
Done of my personal favorite reports:
American Airlines DC-10 cargo door rupture (all survived), because of the heroics of a Karen Black-like stewardess coping with the gaping hole while keeping her lovely white gloves intact (the fashions were very Pam Grier).
The eerie Southern Airlines crash in New Hope Georgia, where the plane crashed into some housewifeâs backyard and the few burnt and injured survivors started marching like zombies out of the debris and into the housewifeâs Care (9 people on the ground also died).
Air Florida crash onto the Potomac, simply because the rescue of the six smokers (at the tail of the plane) who survived was completely captured on film. The heroics of the guy who jumped to the frozen to drag a helpless woman out, the footage of the barefoot stewardess being lifted by a helicopter line, and the unsung hero who - tangled in the wiry/fueled debris - kept passing his life-line to others all brought me to tears, especially knowing that the last hero eventually succumbed to his injuries.
The Air France crash that most people survived in. Canada, mostly because of that bitchy survivor cunt who agreed to be interviewed and all she did was complain about Air Franceâs service and her inability to retrieve her carry-ones and laptop. She was the ultimate Karen.
by Anonymous | reply 263 | March 24, 2022 5:23 AM |
Sorry, that last Air France was Flight 358 and everybody survived.
Also, âthe heroics of the guy who jumped into the frozen RIVERâŠâ
And ââŠcarry-onsâŠâ
by Anonymous | reply 264 | March 24, 2022 5:31 AM |
Oh, and the Aloha âconvertible top-down snafuâ (1 casualty - a beloved unstrapped stewardess), again because of the amazing drama and generous amounts of real-life pictures.
by Anonymous | reply 265 | March 24, 2022 5:35 AM |
[quote] The heroics of the guy who jumped to the frozen river to drag a helpless woman out,
Oh, yeah, I remember that one. That was the crash in DC, right?
by Anonymous | reply 266 | March 24, 2022 10:12 AM |
They found the voice recorder, which was in relatively good conditions. Hopefully that will have some clues as to what happened in the cockpit. Hope they're able to find the other black box too.
by Anonymous | reply 267 | March 24, 2022 11:23 AM |
Here is thr Reuters article about the voice recorder.
by Anonymous | reply 268 | March 24, 2022 11:23 AM |
Sorry, not Reuters, AlJazera.
by Anonymous | reply 269 | March 24, 2022 11:24 AM |
R263- I am truly sorry to say that you are the hopeful side of Plane Crash Trolldom.
I am the dark side of plane crash trolldom and focus more on the horrific crashes where everyone dies?
Horrible.
by Anonymous | reply 270 | March 24, 2022 1:14 PM |
Reuters reports a 1.3 m piece found 10 km away. That and the voice recorder should provide clues shortly.
Over at PPrune there has been a lot of pissing and snarking at each other. Sometimes they sound just like DLers, only with a bunch of super-maths in their posts.
by Anonymous | reply 271 | March 24, 2022 1:30 PM |
The crash in New Hope, Ga. I remember well. A couple of weeks after the crash I drove out there one Saturday out of morbid curiosity. Everything was gone obviously, but the damage the crash caused on the ground was incredibly wide spread.
by Anonymous | reply 272 | March 24, 2022 3:25 PM |
R271 The bitchery at pprune has me snickering about how much it reminds me of DL as well.
by Anonymous | reply 273 | March 24, 2022 5:10 PM |
R273 oh ya. Right now the snark and ego are off the charts.
Eventually the threads get cleaned up so thatâs why itâs fascinating to watch Pprune threads in real time. DLer pissyness cannot not even compare to the Pprune egos.
The AF447 threads were unbelievably rude and snippy. But they lasted weeks whereas the causes of this crash will be solved shortly.
by Anonymous | reply 274 | March 24, 2022 5:59 PM |
US Air 427 crashed near Pittsburgh International Airport, which shares a runway with Air National Guard and Air Force Reserve units. I knew a reservist who, at the time of the crash, was tasked with retrieving body parts and placing them in bags. They said there were a lot of body parts hanging from trees.
by Anonymous | reply 275 | March 24, 2022 6:52 PM |
Were they in season?
by Anonymous | reply 276 | March 24, 2022 10:12 PM |
Both black boxes have been found.
by Anonymous | reply 277 | March 25, 2022 2:45 AM |
Yes, r266
by Anonymous | reply 278 | March 25, 2022 9:51 AM |
r88: [quote] ...the other freaks who are posting stupid shit should jump off a fucking bridge. 133 LIVES WERE LOST YESTERDAY. HUMAN LIVES.
DL has never shown respect for the dead. Not on 9/11, not during the Pulse massacre, not when that tween was decapitated on a water slide, and not when MH13 went missing. In fact, when there's mass death in the US (especially during a mass shooting), non-American DLers love to jump in and use it as an opportunity to be xenophobic towards Americans and say that their deaths don't matter because the US has/hasn't done XYZ. Get the fuck over your and understand that this incident isn't going to get special treatment and if that bothers you, go back to Twitter!
r88: [quote] Just go take a flying leap, you [bold]misogynists[/bold].
That word doesn't mean what you think it means.
r127, people wouldn't have had the opportunity to pretend there's no pandemic if the disease didn't spread out of China.
I'd wager that r135/r144 is likely mute on threads when non-Chinese people are the target of racism on DL.
r148: "'Bearking' is an idiotic way of saying 'Breaking.'" FIFY
by Anonymous | reply 279 | March 25, 2022 2:46 PM |
R279 seems to have too much time on her hands.
But but but....
Almost 22,000 Feet in 72 Seconds: Plunge of China Eastern Plane Puzzles Experts
Boeing 737 crash in southern China was among the fastest jetliner descents ever recorded
It was one of the fastest descents of a commercial aviation jetliner in history.
The vertical speed of the descent reached almost 31,000 feet a minute at one point, according to data from tracking provider Flightradar24, mystifying experts. With very limited information available so far, it leaves open a range of possibilities as to how the Boeing BA +0.21% 737-800 carrying 132 passengers and crew met its fate.
Previous falls from high altitudes have had a range of causes, said Jeff Guzzetti, the former director of the Federal Aviation Administrationâs accident investigation division. Investigators need to winnow down possibilities: Anything from a small structural failure to a malfunctioning autoflight or autopilot system to a pilot becoming disoriented to some kind of intentional act could have played a role, he said.
by Anonymous | reply 280 | March 25, 2022 2:56 PM |
Fact: The plane wouldâve fallen slower if it had cut off its engines at cruising altitude and slowed to 0 mph.
by Anonymous | reply 281 | March 25, 2022 5:22 PM |
I think only the Silkair and USAir427 and one of the worst crashes on any level I have ever heard of (PSA in California in 1987) were at this level of speed.
SwissAir 111 and that Ethiopian Airlines were both high speed as well-
by Anonymous | reply 282 | March 25, 2022 5:38 PM |
US Air was at 6k. This aircraft was at 29100.
Right now there are conflicting reports of pieces found further out than 10 km. But if there are indeed pieces further out then that could point to a sudden rudder, elevator, tab issue.
It is weird how a 6 yo plane could suddenly experience that when doing the mundane configurations for landing - if that was the case. Iâve still yet to find concrete info if indeed it was normal at that distance to start descent into landing,
by Anonymous | reply 283 | March 25, 2022 6:08 PM |
Holy shit R283.
And USAir was on approach and at what 2000 feet? That crash lasted 28 seconds.
Most of these folks must have been passed out at the very least. And they would not have been buckled in either..
by Anonymous | reply 284 | March 25, 2022 6:46 PM |
R281 ya I saw various equations stating that as well - Reynolds numbers, V somethings, and such. Fluid mechanics and physics equations I barely remember from long ago.
What do you think happened?
by Anonymous | reply 285 | March 25, 2022 7:23 PM |
I prefer Airbus..and then the Air France crash in the Pacific came along. That crash was caused by such a minor technical problem followed by an unbelievably incompetent co-pilot response. The pilot was out of the cockpit on break at the time.
When I'm flying in the developing world which is often there's sense of relief when the pilot addresses the cabin and one can tell he's Brit, USA or Swiss. Best trained pilots on the planet.
by Anonymous | reply 286 | March 25, 2022 7:41 PM |
[quote] that could point to a sudden rudder, elevator, tab issue.
Could you elaborate just a little bit on this? Whatâs a âtab issueâ?
by Anonymous | reply 287 | March 25, 2022 8:38 PM |
"Could you elaborate just a little bit on this? Whatâs a âtab issueâ?"
Asked and answered.
by Anonymous | reply 288 | March 25, 2022 8:48 PM |
Chinaâs air safety has improved in the past 10 years, but something like this could be attributed to a mistake made 20 years ago. The crash of flight 611 in 2002 was attributed to an inadequate repair after a tail strike in 1980, with all the subsequent decades of use and stress. I donât know what the safety protocols are but maybe it should be mandatory to revisit significant repairs every so often?
by Anonymous | reply 290 | March 25, 2022 9:41 PM |
Except that China Airlines is the flag carrier of Taiwan, R290, not of China.
by Anonymous | reply 291 | March 25, 2022 10:04 PM |
Thank you, r289.
R288, that was fucking hilarious. Thank you, too.
by Anonymous | reply 292 | March 25, 2022 10:12 PM |
âWe learn that Boeing executives knew full well about the risks inherent to the Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System, a small wind gauge that can make the planeâs auto-stabilizers go haywire if damaged.â
by Anonymous | reply 293 | March 25, 2022 10:46 PM |
Even without MCAS, angle of attack sensor problems can cause the autopilot to aim the nose of the plane down.
by Anonymous | reply 294 | March 26, 2022 12:19 AM |
Not an aviation expert by any means but I would think if the sensor problem causes the nose to point straight down and you have to wrestle with your full strength to get it up, and even that might not work, it would be hard even for the co-pilot to be able to turn the system off - especially if there are only seconds to react and the plane is flying down. So why not have a backup sensor? Then if the two readings did not agree, the system could disable the auto-pilot reaction while giving a warning.
by Anonymous | reply 295 | March 26, 2022 12:56 AM |
Can we have ElderLez's technical writer opinion on this please?
by Anonymous | reply 296 | March 26, 2022 9:24 AM |
R283 I was just going to post this. Everyone has been saying it looks like pilot suicide. If it is confirmed that some pieces of the wreck are found away from the main crash side, this could change everything. It could point to the plane breaking up mid-air.
by Anonymous | reply 297 | March 26, 2022 9:31 AM |
Thatâs even scarier to me.
At least if some lunatic committed suicide and brought everyone with him, you could chalk it up to a nut. But a plane simply falling apart midair is crazy.
Just like American 587 in 2001 where the whole damn tail fell off.
by Anonymous | reply 298 | March 26, 2022 10:43 AM |
Flight 587 came at a horrible time, right after 9/11. I remember segments on TV about spending the holidays at home, since people were scared as shit to fly anywhere. Who knew 20 years later we'd not being traveling again
by Anonymous | reply 299 | March 26, 2022 11:59 AM |
[quote] Just like American 587 in 2001 where the whole damn tail fell off.
Yeah but that was not a mechanical or structural failure. That was an incompetent pilot who decided to slam the rudder as if he were driving a rally truck. The whole incident was attributed 100% to pilot error.
by Anonymous | reply 300 | March 26, 2022 12:57 PM |
This is interesting.
by Anonymous | reply 301 | March 26, 2022 2:19 PM |
Isn't it highly possible that due to the speed (whatever the cause) an in flight break up would have started to occur anyway? Which is why pieces may be found far from the impact site?
At that speed places start to break apart.
by Anonymous | reply 303 | March 26, 2022 2:37 PM |
Since I donât care to plow through 300+ replies, forgive me if this has been mentioned, but on that flight were Xi or any of his cabinet members present?
by Anonymous | reply 304 | March 26, 2022 2:49 PM |
[quote]Just like American 587 in 2001 where the whole damn tail fell off.
Yes, and it was an AIRBUS.
by Anonymous | reply 305 | March 26, 2022 3:30 PM |
[quote]Yeah but that was not a mechanical or structural failure. That was an incompetent pilot who decided to slam the rudder as if he were driving a rally truck. The whole incident was attributed 100% to pilot error.
Aggressive use of the rudder shouldn't cause the whole damn tail to break off. Yes, there was pilot error, but it was also a poor design on the part of Airbus.
by Anonymous | reply 306 | March 26, 2022 3:32 PM |
Thank you, r306! I was about to post the same thing.
Mashing a pedal, no matter how hard, swinging the rudder back and forth should not cause a structurally integral part of the fucking plane to just come off.
by Anonymous | reply 307 | March 26, 2022 6:39 PM |
âThe senior China Eastern executive, Mr. Sun, said in Wednesdayâs briefing that the planeâs captain had four years of experience as lead pilot of the Boeing 737.
The planeâs captain, first officer and a second officer with 556 hours of flight time all had good relations with their families, he said.â
by Anonymous | reply 308 | March 27, 2022 12:29 PM |
For R306 and R307, youâre not wrong, with a bit of an exception. For all aircraft as long as speed is kept below âManeuvering Speedâ controls can be deflected without causing damage. Hereâs the definition:
[quote] The design maneuvering speed (Va)is the speed at which the airplane will stall before exceeding its design limit-load factor in turbulent conditions or when the flight controls are suddenly and fully deflected in flight. Under these conditions the airframe experiences an increase in "G-force" or "load factor."
However when it comes to large, passenger aircraft thatâs modified a bit especially in regards to the rudder, specifically as a result of AA587. There is a caveat that moving the rudder from the neutral position to full deflection in one direction then immediately to full deflection in the other direction could damage the rudder.
So yes, an idiot pilot kicking the rudder pedals could cause a crash.
by Anonymous | reply 310 | March 27, 2022 4:55 PM |
Could damage the rudder, yes. But the entire tail shouldnât come flying off the thing. Thatâs a failure of engineering.
Imagine driving your car and almost have an accident. You slam on the brakes, but you pressed the brake pedal too hard so the steering wheel falls off and is useless.
by Anonymous | reply 311 | March 27, 2022 8:48 PM |
But did the whole tail come off?
by Anonymous | reply 312 | March 27, 2022 10:53 PM |
I assume that the structural integrity being compromised was from the fact that the plane plunged at the speed of sound - 737s arenât designed for that.
by Anonymous | reply 313 | March 27, 2022 11:07 PM |
R312,
[quote] The force of the air flowing against the moving rudder stressed the aircraft's vertical stabilizer, [bold]and eventually snapped it off entirely,[/bold] causing the aircraft to lose control and crash.
Here it is being recovered from Jamaica Bay.
by Anonymous | reply 314 | March 27, 2022 11:31 PM |
R311 your righteous grasp on Aerodynamics is made profoundly clear by your syllogism.
If you were to think of the rudder as the steering wheel then first off, the brakes are completely irrelevant. But if youâre driving down the turnpike, straight and easy and then suddenly turn the wheel in one direction, immediately followed by a sharp and complete turn in the other direction, do you think the car would stay on the road? No.
And on a plane, simulator studies as well as wind tunnel studies have shown the rudder would suffer damage up to, and including, the point of it departing the airframe.
This is counteracted by different aircraft systems, namely hydraulic limiters, as well as comprehensive pilot training to precisely NOT DO THAT!
by Anonymous | reply 315 | March 28, 2022 1:40 AM |
Yeah, that steering wheel analogy is all over the place.
by Anonymous | reply 316 | March 28, 2022 8:28 AM |
[quote] But if youâre driving down the turnpike, straight and easy and then suddenly turn the wheel in one direction, immediately followed by a sharp and complete turn in the other direction, do you think the car would stay on the road? No.
It may or may not stay on the road, but the point is I donât think the carâs roof would just come flying off.
by Anonymous | reply 317 | March 28, 2022 3:35 PM |
^^^
But it would be likely, and understandable, if one of the wheels did.
The roof, or brakes, or even cigarette lighter, have NOTHING to do with the steering.
The rudder on a transport category plane (read: passenger jet) has everything to do with maintaining aircraft control. It is basically a wing, just mounted on a different axis.
When both Boeing and Airbus started to stretch fuselages it became necessary to increase the ruddersâ size in order to ensure aircraft control during all phases of flight, but especially at slower speeds (think: landing). This increase made the rudder susceptible to over-controlling through poor pilot technique, which has been addressed in training.
But trying to link any rudder control problems to braking, or engine failures, or oxygen masks dropping is just plain weak.
by Anonymous | reply 318 | March 28, 2022 6:29 PM |
[Quote]Chinese aviation authorities said the flight crew had not sent any distress signals before the plane suddenly nosedived near the end of its flight,
This is quite odd unless the event was so sudden the crew could not contact the tower.
by Anonymous | reply 319 | March 28, 2022 8:14 PM |
R318- That sounds more like a suicidal pilot, doesn't it?
by Anonymous | reply 320 | March 28, 2022 8:26 PM |
âAccording to Flight radar the plane plummets from 29,000 feet to 2900 feet in 90 seconds and then there is a certain return of control from the nose dive before it falls again.
It is believed even this early from the viewing of the Flt MU 5735 flight path map, the captain is trying hard to lift and turn to avoid the aircraft from crashing into the city of Guangzhou. If that is so it was an act of high courage.â
by Anonymous | reply 321 | March 29, 2022 2:20 AM |
Yes, R320, it does seem to be that way. I really hate the idea of jumping to conclusions in situations like these, but since China has NOT invited representatives from our FAA, NTSB or even Boeing which all have rights to investigate under ICAO treaties, I have little faith that any announced cause of this tragedy will ever be able to be fully believed.
Exhibit A has already been presented by R321.
by Anonymous | reply 322 | March 29, 2022 5:39 AM |
The Chinese are liars and not to be trusted.
by Anonymous | reply 323 | March 29, 2022 8:38 AM |
What was the point of pretending there might be survivors for several days? Nobody with a functioning brain thought that could be the case.
by Anonymous | reply 324 | March 29, 2022 10:32 AM |
That really was ridiculous, R324! I watched the video of the plane nose-diving from the sky and survivors were impossible to comprehend.
by Anonymous | reply 325 | March 29, 2022 11:33 AM |
âChina will lead the investigation. It will include a representative of the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board and representatives from Boeing and CFM, the General Electric Co.-Safran joint venture that made the engines. The NTSB has said that talks were ongoing with China to address COVID-19 quarantine requirements.â
by Anonymous | reply 326 | March 29, 2022 12:11 PM |
I can already predict the findings of the investigation: Western powers sabotaged the plain in a failed attempt to embarrass China.
by Anonymous | reply 327 | March 29, 2022 6:29 PM |
R327, itâs not beyond the realm of possibility that someone, for some reason, sabotaged the plane or the pilots. There were supposedly several executives of a mining company on the plane; maybe they were targeted and somebody put something in the food that went on the plane. I think thatâs at least as likely as pilot suicide- one pilot had flown for 40 years, personally trained in the U.S. with Boeing, had a spotless safety record and was 1 year from retirement- maybe he had a medical emergency while alongside the trainee, the pilot in training who was only supposed to be watching, not flying. There are a lot of possibilities. But that one pilot suicide from the 90s, a key bit of evidence was that he insured himself with $5 million right before the crash and owed $3 million in gambling debts. Without something like that to suggest suicide, a pilot suicide doesnât really seem more likely than any number of other theories.
by Anonymous | reply 328 | March 29, 2022 7:06 PM |
Thereâs been more than 1 pilot suicide.
by Anonymous | reply 329 | March 29, 2022 8:03 PM |
[quote] and owed $3 million in gambling debts.
How does that even happen?!
by Anonymous | reply 330 | March 29, 2022 8:08 PM |
US officials are traveling to China this week to participate in the investigation.
by Anonymous | reply 332 | March 29, 2022 9:18 PM |
R332 Good.
by Anonymous | reply 333 | March 30, 2022 1:21 PM |
I agree, good, but now restricted will they be from actual information and the pieces itself? And unless one of them speaks Chinese, I doubt the CVR will matter to them.
by Anonymous | reply 334 | March 30, 2022 1:52 PM |
It's a US-made plane so US aviation officials have a right to go, including from the US manufacturers. It's not because the US is the ruler of everything in the world so only Americans can pass judgement on everything that happens in humanity.
[quote]Under a United Nations treaty, the country where a crash occurs leads the investigation, while representatives from nations in which the plane and its components were manufactured have a right to participate.
by Anonymous | reply 335 | March 30, 2022 2:18 PM |
R334, since more than 50 percent of Chinaâs commercial airliners are from Boeing, I would be very surprised if they canât have someone there who speaks Chinese.
I would think the investigation would be even better if it included non-biased parties outside of both the US and China. China and the U.S. arguably both have motives to skew the results; the FAA was ready to declare it a likely pilot suicide in the absence of any evidence. Maybe it was, but someone who declares something like that before the investigation even begins isnât likely to be an impartial arbiter. My own 401k includes Blackrock Fund, which owns 5 percent of Boeing shares- thatâs the problem with companies that are too big to fail. What if there is actually a problem, like with the angle of attack sensor(not MCAS) that not just Boeing has but most jets, that has been defective dozens of times but usually just gets replaced without fatalities? Will the risk of a rare flight problem outweigh the perceived risk of poor social planning and elderly people going without food and medicine(ie, failed 401k)? Plus it seems like companies trying to get by with less staff has been a growing trend since 2008, in all fields, even ones like nursing homes where youâd think safety would be very important. Trying to make shortcuts on safety could have led to a lab leak in COVID too, and was no doubt a problem in China especially in the past - it was something Boeing actually stepped in to help China with in the past, back in the 90s. Probably part of the reason China Eastern had gone 17 years without a fatal accident prior to this is due to Boeingâs efforts there to improve safety culture a couple decades ago.
by Anonymous | reply 336 | March 30, 2022 8:12 PM |
Possible similarities to Alaska Air flight 261, which was attributed to poor maintenance. âAt 16:09 (00:09 UTC), the flight crew successfully used the primary trim system to unjam the stuck horizontal stabilizer. Upon being freed, however, it quickly moved to an extreme "nose-down" position, forcing the aircraft into an almost vertical nosedive. The plane dropped from about 31,500 ft (9,600 m) to between 23,000 and 24,000 ft (7,000 and 7,300 m) in around 80 seconds. Both pilots struggled together to regain control of the aircraft, and only by pulling with 130 to 140 lb (580 to 620 N) on the controls did the flight crew stop the 6,000 ft/min (1,800 m/min) descent of the aircraft and stabilize the MD-83 at roughly 24,400 ft (7,400 m).[6]â
âOne pilot radioed, "That plane has just started to do a big huge plunge." Another reported, "Yes sir, ah, I concur. He is, uh, definitely in a nose down, uh, position, descending quite rapidly."[21] ATC then tried to contact the plane. The crew of a SkyWest airliner reported, "He's, uh, definitely out of control."[21] Although the CVR captured the co-pilot saying "mayday", no radio communications were received from the flight crew during the final event.[6]:â9â[21]â
by Anonymous | reply 337 | March 30, 2022 10:01 PM |
AA 261âs MD83 dive is vastly different from this B737 crash. Captain Ted Thompson and crew, along with ATC and maintenance, fought for 13 minutes to bird dog and solve the nose down. I think Ted Thompsonâs last words were âHere we go.â The AA 261 crewâs heroic efforts are one for the ages.
This China Eastern crash profile resembles SilkAir 185âs except for the brief ârecoveryâ attempt around FL750. But who knows if that really happened as FR24 data can be sketchy when values rapidly change.
But I refuse to believe this is a suicide/homicide until itâs proven.
Although the flight profile is extreme on this 7 year old ânewâairplane maybe itâll be another âengineering by bloodâ incident.
by Anonymous | reply 338 | April 6, 2022 6:32 PM |
The Global Times is reporting rumours have emerged that the co-pilot may have been responsible for the crash. In response the Government has said the investigation continues and no cause for the crash has been determined
This may have been another German Wings type of scenario
by Anonymous | reply 339 | April 12, 2022 5:30 AM |
[quote] the co-pilot may have been responsible for the crash.
Another victim of the Chinese real estate bubble.
Chinese media has examined claims that the pilot, Zhang Zhengping, left a suicide note accusing the leaders of China Eastern of âsqueezingâ employees and the Chinese Government of creating a âbubbleâ in the economy. The claims also suggest Zhengping invested in the property giant China Evergrande and all of his savings went to zero when the company began encountering serious debt troubles.
More stylish than a 1929 investor just stepping out of a New York skyscraper window
by Anonymous | reply 340 | April 12, 2022 6:40 AM |
Recent posts at pprune have argued about the 7500â FR ârecoveryâ data.
We have 9 days left until the promise of a 30-day update is met. Both recorders have been found and analyzed so there is no excuse not to do a 30-day report.
by Anonymous | reply 341 | April 12, 2022 6:26 PM |
Another article about the suicide note rumor.
by Anonymous | reply 342 | April 12, 2022 10:50 PM |
Both of the black boxes are being analyzed in the US.
by Anonymous | reply 343 | April 12, 2022 10:52 PM |
Gah R342. I will just be stunned if suicide/homicide is the cause. How could this be when China Eastern has at least 2 or 3 pilots in the cockpit?
So right off the bat, cranky Ron Gryder said it was pilot input.
Juan Brown noted the ârecoveryâ FR data could be a G-force phenomenon.
Earlier pprune discussions noted a possible initial left roll.
My first thought was something mechanical went crazy while starting the descent to landing. So far Iâve yet to determine if the 29100 altitude/location was when normally flights started their descent. Does anyone here know?
by Anonymous | reply 344 | April 13, 2022 4:13 PM |
Maybe a de-pressurization/hypoxia situation?
by Anonymous | reply 345 | April 13, 2022 4:59 PM |
We have until Apr 20 to get a preliminary report. Even the pprune thread went silent. China Eastern ungrounded their 737-800 (not Max) so perhaps itâs not the fleet.
To be determined is what the debris was 10 km away and if it was a airplane surface failure while âat the top of the descentâ or the result of a sudden left roll.
Whether that roll was deliberate or not we shall find out shortly.
by Anonymous | reply 346 | April 17, 2022 3:23 PM |
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by Anonymous | reply 347 | April 20, 2022 5:26 PM |
Perhaps China Eastern has 3 or more pilots on international flights but is this the case for domestic flights like this one?
This may be like the German Wings event. Perhaps the pilot exited the cockpit for whatever reason and the co-pilot locked him out then took down the plane.
by Anonymous | reply 348 | April 20, 2022 5:35 PM |
Gah I was hoping for at least preliminary flight and voice recorder data! What is shockingly new is that the part found miles away was the right wingâs winglet outer surface. Thatâs probably a result of the sudden dive/roll. Not a cause.
The preliminary report notes all four corners, engines, rudder, and horizontal/vertical tail sections at the crash site.
Iâve still to determine if the 29100 âTop of Decentâ was the normal distance from the airport destination and pilots were starting descent into the airport. If so, all pilots shouldâve been in the cockpit if this was the regular spot.
Or if it was early and thus maybe two of the crew were engaged in their potty break before landing configuration.
by Anonymous | reply 349 | April 20, 2022 9:28 PM |
[Quote]Sources in China report that the plane had three pilots on its fateful last flight, two extremely experienced, and one trainee.
The pilot reportedly had around 7,000 hours of flight experience, while the co-pilot had 30,000.
Having a more experienced co-pilot than pilot already strikes Gethin as "unusual", although no suggestion has been given as to why this may have been the case.
by Anonymous | reply 350 | April 20, 2022 9:39 PM |
I was thinking this is more likely a passenger issue rather than a crew member
by Anonymous | reply 351 | April 20, 2022 10:08 PM |
[quote] Iâve still to determine if the 29100 âTop of Decentâ was the normal distance from the airport destination and pilots were starting descent into the airport.
Oh DEAR, R349! The least âTop of Decentâ I can remember was Colton Ford.
by Anonymous | reply 352 | April 21, 2022 1:39 AM |
Whatever happened to this?
by Anonymous | reply 353 | April 22, 2022 3:29 PM |
There's some speculation about the First Officer (a former captain with many years experience and thousands of flight hours logged) possibly suiciding the flight. He had been demoted from captain to FO after an incident, and as well allegedly lost a passel of $$ in real estate. No confirmation of this, and pretty sure China would never admit to this being the case.
by Anonymous | reply 354 | April 22, 2022 4:47 PM |
whatever happened with this story? usually plane crash stories get a lot more coverage on follow up.
by Anonymous | reply 355 | April 23, 2022 6:16 PM |
China Easternâs maximum age for a captain is 58, and the co-pilot was 59. So the demotion of the co-pilot/First Officer would have happened because of ageâŠI canât find anything online about an incident causing a demotion for him - he was apparently on China Easternâs website with full credentials and accolades before this happened.
by Anonymous | reply 356 | April 23, 2022 7:32 PM |
We need the FDR and CVR info released. They were sent to the US. Honeywell, Boeing, and NTSB have had ample time to analyze the data.
The loss of the trailing edge of the right winglet found 12 km from the crash site wasnât the cause of the sudden left roll and dive at 29100. It was the result.
by Anonymous | reply 357 | April 27, 2022 12:38 AM |
It was the pilot that intentionally crashed the plane according to the black box.
by Anonymous | reply 358 | May 17, 2022 9:13 PM |
^ Any word as to why he did it?
by Anonymous | reply 359 | May 17, 2022 9:15 PM |
Black box data suggest someone pushed the controls to force the plane into a nosedive, according to the report.
China Eastern added it was unlikely someone broke into the cockpit, noting Chinese authorities have said no one from the plane sent an emergency code before it crashed.
by Anonymous | reply 360 | May 17, 2022 9:20 PM |
The pilot must have been out of the cockpit and there was little the third pilot, the trainee, could do.
by Anonymous | reply 361 | May 17, 2022 9:39 PM |
This was immediately evident from the way the plane crashed as per several posters at pprune, but it sucks to see it confirmed you kind of hope that someone didnât just snap and kill so many innocent people like this.
by Anonymous | reply 362 | May 17, 2022 10:34 PM |
Random awful luck to get the suicidal pilot. I'm feeling down because I was hit by a car recently. Reading a story like this, I don't know whether to be grateful my accident was so minor or feel worse that life is just random and our lives can be snuffed out over the most inexplicable shit.
by Anonymous | reply 363 | May 17, 2022 10:52 PM |
More than 49,000 pieces of plane debris were found. It took two days to find the cockpit voice recorder and six days for the flight data recorder, which was buried 5 feet underground.
[quote] Any word as to why he did it?
possibly in r340
Chinese media has examined claims that the pilot, Zhang Zhengping, left a suicide note accusing the leaders of China Eastern of âsqueezingâ employees and the Chinese Government of creating a âbubbleâ in the economy. The claims also suggest Zhengping invested in the property giant China Evergrande and all of his savings went to zero when the company began encountering serious debt troubles.
by Anonymous | reply 364 | May 17, 2022 11:23 PM |
R363- If anything can make you see the positive side- go for it my friend!
by Anonymous | reply 365 | May 18, 2022 12:41 AM |
R363. Be grateful you now understand life is fragile and very short. We'll all be dead soon anyway so enjoy your short time here, hombre.
by Anonymous | reply 366 | May 18, 2022 1:16 AM |
Are they even allowed to sue the Airline in China? Is it govt owned?
by Anonymous | reply 367 | May 18, 2022 4:50 AM |
I read on another site the pilot got what he considered a demotion.
by Anonymous | reply 368 | May 18, 2022 4:21 PM |
He aged out. Not a demotion but a company policy which is quite a good one.
by Anonymous | reply 369 | May 18, 2022 5:11 PM |
If the other pilot was out of his seat, there's no way he or a relief pilot could possibly get back into the seat to take control; the G-forces pushing them towards the tail would have been too great. That's happened before, like the flight where the Russian pilot let his kid fly the plane. The kid inadvertently disconnected the autopilot and the resulting dive made it impossible for his dad to get back into the chair or for the copilot to lean forward enough to grab the stick.
by Anonymous | reply 370 | May 18, 2022 7:09 PM |
Ron Gryder was correct within a day or so. His YT video was so on point.
Juan Brown right away mentioned the ârecoveryâ mightâve been a gravity phenomenon due to extreme G forces and flight surfaces trying to naturally recover.
I want the FDR and CVR info released now. Iâm so pissed off how everyone is tiptoeing around this.
by Anonymous | reply 371 | May 18, 2022 8:15 PM |
I just can't fathom the mindset to mass murder innocent people out of spite.
by Anonymous | reply 372 | May 18, 2022 9:18 PM |
Ah R371- You mean Dan Gryder. Took me a second!
I watch both of their channels too.
by Anonymous | reply 373 | May 18, 2022 10:04 PM |
"Dan Gryder..." points to hat ... "Probable Cause"
by Anonymous | reply 374 | May 18, 2022 10:44 PM |
Some of you may consider my opinion racist, I can't control that. There is a bit of a fatalistic trait in some Asian cultures that makes it easier for an individual to rationalize their insane acts against a larger group/populace just because that individual FEELS so justly at the moment.
As I sit here writing this and searching for a parallel, I would hesitantly suggest it's almost like a white man sexually assaulting or raping a woman just because he feels entitled to do so. He has needs, she's the means to an end, and his status eclipses any acknowledgment she may think she deserves.
Sadly, I think in China it's much the same. Sadder to say that it's so prevalent it even penetrates the levels of professionalism that we would think are the highest: Pilots. A close parallel would be the missing Malaysian B-777 , MH370. The converse of this example would be the Korean airliner OZ214 that crashed into SFO for *no *good *reason!
by Anonymous | reply 375 | May 19, 2022 3:28 AM |
Yes, R375, you are racist. Also fucking stupid. And American, of course.
by Anonymous | reply 376 | May 19, 2022 4:11 AM |
Based on comments from pprune the reason for the conclusion is that the FDR parameter is for the yoke, not clear on the trim yet. I suspect the US was able to get something from the CVR that supports the deliberate yoke input from the FDR which is why they leaked this.
by Anonymous | reply 377 | May 19, 2022 4:38 PM |
[quote]not clear on the trim yet.
I figured that out way back in high school. I knew then and there it wasnât for me.
by Anonymous | reply 378 | May 25, 2022 5:43 PM |
If the pilot were American, he would have gone to the airlines headquarter and massacred people there. Well, at least there would still be a plane left to fly.
by Anonymous | reply 379 | May 25, 2022 6:03 PM |