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Looters Go To The Source

Why loot stores? Cut out the middleman and take it from the train.

Union Pacific sent a letter to Los Angeles District Attorney George Gascon last month threatening to route rail cargo traffic elsewhere if he would not prosecute theft and looting from cargo trains more aggressively, it was revealed on Monday.

The letter added that “like our customers, UP is now contemplating serious changes to our operating plans to avoid Los Angeles County.”

In reality the UP has no way not to use Los Angeles County facilities.

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by Anonymousreply 83February 1, 2022 10:38 AM

[quote]In reality the UP has no way not to use Los Angeles County facilities.

Easy. Stop supplying LA. Yes, its a huge market, but if it isnt profitable to do business there because of huge stock loss rates resulting from lack of enforcement, why would you?

I can see why people are leaving California

by Anonymousreply 1January 18, 2022 10:42 PM

Why don’t the train companies clean the tracks? That’s a years worth of trash.

They let it pile up and let it be robbed and let the insurance handle it.

by Anonymousreply 2January 18, 2022 10:44 PM

Yikes where are all the police? Evidence has been neglected here for a long time. No patrols? No crime scene tape?

Are they all on vacation?

by Anonymousreply 3January 18, 2022 10:45 PM

Who are the railroad police?

by Anonymousreply 4January 18, 2022 10:47 PM

Is this LAPD jurisdiction? What an abandoned hellscape.

by Anonymousreply 5January 18, 2022 10:48 PM

[quote]Why don’t the train companies clean the tracks? That’s a years worth of trash

Why doesn't governor newsom or the Los Angeles police department do something about this?

It's not the job of the train companies to deal with criminals

by Anonymousreply 6January 18, 2022 10:54 PM

But they need to clean up their disgusting tracks. You don’t just leave it there to gain sympathy and make it look worse. This crap is staged to hell and back. You don’t leave that stuff out there for a year and then keep stopping in the same spot to let it keep happening to prove a point.

They could have stopped this if they wanted to after the first time it happened. But where’s the sympathy in that? Where’s the narrative that “democrats are out of control” in that.

by Anonymousreply 7January 18, 2022 11:00 PM

Jesus, is that Calcutta?

by Anonymousreply 8January 18, 2022 11:29 PM

Are you telling me those mega ton slabs of steel can't be heavily bolted and locked? Jeesh! A garden cutter can get into those things?

by Anonymousreply 9January 18, 2022 11:41 PM

loot, arrest, ticket, release, repeat ad nauseum

by Anonymousreply 10January 19, 2022 1:44 PM

Where's Rittenhouse when you need him?

by Anonymousreply 11January 19, 2022 1:49 PM

3rd thread on this story in as many days.

YES WE ARE ALL OUTRAGED BY THE LAWLESS DARKIES.

by Anonymousreply 12January 19, 2022 1:50 PM

R12 = Enabler

by Anonymousreply 13January 19, 2022 1:52 PM

They own the tracks

by Anonymousreply 14January 19, 2022 2:13 PM

where are the other threads

by Anonymousreply 15January 19, 2022 10:24 PM

Wouldn't the source be somewhere in China?

by Anonymousreply 16January 19, 2022 10:28 PM

Some looters have been caught and arrested but they've been released quickly by the DA. The LA Times said earlier this week that the looters were bragging that they won't ever face charges.

by Anonymousreply 17January 19, 2022 10:30 PM

Exactly, R9. Don't those cars lock? It's like people who complain when someone steals crap from their cars that were unlocked in their driveways. Seriously? Yes, it shouldn't happen. Yes, it happens. Lock your cars and trains.

by Anonymousreply 18January 19, 2022 10:52 PM

Do you have a link r17?

Because the DA is saying the opposite. They are pleading for the police to bring them more evidence and suspects, as they have already charged the ones they can.

You see all the evidence is still at the tracks. The police have to collect that for the DA but chose to leave it all there to make a point. The DA can’t prosecute without the evidence. He is begging for police cooperation.

The police are on strike but they don’t announce it. They want you to figure it out for yourself.

by Anonymousreply 19January 19, 2022 11:03 PM

The police have every right to strike. I would stand with them. They make no money and have no support.

But the brass has decided this strike for them is not about pay or better conditions. The brass wants revenge. And the rank and file are forced to go along with refusing to do any police work to prove a point.

This is the petty revenge for the BLM movement. And they want to say see: you need the cops. And come crawling back.

It’s all so 1980s LAPD but here we are. It’s now nationwide.

by Anonymousreply 20January 19, 2022 11:05 PM

Looters “boast to our officers that charges will be pled down.” R19

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by Anonymousreply 21January 19, 2022 11:12 PM

R7

That trash you are complaining about is largely from all the recent looting. Discarded boxes, shipping containers, envelopes, packaging, etc....

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by Anonymousreply 22January 19, 2022 11:23 PM

UP did dispatch crews to clean up mess....

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by Anonymousreply 23January 19, 2022 11:25 PM

It’s a shame that police are taking this route. I was always a fan of the cops and maybe was naive but I have seen with my own eyes they are not doing police work anymore and this is several different jurisdictions, cities and state. All across the U.S., they are abstaining from police work.

I thing some the AGs across the country went a little far in the efforts to make criminal justice reform but much of that has been reversed yet here we are.

I think the DAs were tricked into going to far by all this artificial “public pressure” that’s ginned up on social media

Nobody in the neighborhoods we’re calling for less police. It’s always these radical, murky facebook pages that pop up from god knows where and get urban groups stirred up into these radical frenzies.

But it’s all artificial. Again, nobody in the neighborhoods were calling for less cops. Just less killings.

We have to be careful about letting these social media fake-jobs dictate policy. Go with your gut, people. Don’t follow the crowd.

You might find out that the crowd was just one foreign trolls on Facebook making 50 fake profiles. So don’t go with the “crowd.”

by Anonymousreply 24January 19, 2022 11:26 PM

Rail yards have been targets of theft going back far as there have been railroads. Thing is nowadays what once was treated as a serious offence, well isn't.

"“Criminals are caught and arrested, turned over to local authorities for booking, arraigned before the local courts, charges are reduced to a misdemeanor or petty offense, and the criminal is released after paying a nominal fine,” Guerrero wrote to Gascon. “These individuals are generally caught and released back onto the streets in less than twenty-four hours.”

“Criminals boast to our officers that charges will be pled down to simple trespassing – which bears no serious consequence,” he added. “Without any judicial deterrence or consequence, it is no surprise that over the past year UP has witnessed the significant increase in criminal rail theft described above.”"

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by Anonymousreply 25January 19, 2022 11:27 PM

The rail company was risking lives by leaving all that trash out there and then running the train off the road on purpose to prove a point. They knew this would happen.

Even I knew this was going to happen. This whole operation is staged to Jesus and back and mark my words; this will come back to haunt the LATIMES big time.

There is zero reporting going on in that garbage article. Can we get 60 minutes Australia on this?

LATimes has sold out to investors and has become a concierge brochure in place of a once powerhouse news outlet.

by Anonymousreply 26January 19, 2022 11:29 PM

I know - why not pay people starvation wages with no benefits? Make looting more lucrative than working. That'll solve the problem.

by Anonymousreply 27January 19, 2022 11:31 PM

Why should cops arrest criminals if they won’t be prosecuted. Plus if someone resists arrest and they try to stop them, an incident could develop. I’m surprised the police haven’t thought about a national strike. Social workers could deal with serious crimes and looters and thieves could clean out the stores. Wasn’t that the intention behind defund the police?

by Anonymousreply 28January 19, 2022 11:37 PM

Those boxes and all that trash are props in a fake future war.

Meanwhile rents were unilaterally raised all across the country at the same time rent and housing goes up 15-25% for the entire country.

Keep you eyes on the real thing before it all blurs together.

by Anonymousreply 29January 19, 2022 11:37 PM

*culture war

by Anonymousreply 30January 19, 2022 11:38 PM

All the landlords in the US got together and raised the rent at the same time. Fortunately brave freedom fighters realized looting trains would reveal this truth to everyone.

by Anonymousreply 31January 19, 2022 11:40 PM

There are only about 3-4 conglomerate rental companies and one by one they all followed suit. That’s what happened when people down own their homes anymore. Everything is big business. And Wall Street.

What are people going to do about it, they’re trapped. They are turning their tenants into indentured servitude where you can never get ahead.

by Anonymousreply 32January 19, 2022 11:47 PM

When does the 1 million dead people’s houses hit the market?

by Anonymousreply 33January 19, 2022 11:48 PM

[quote]Meanwhile rents were unilaterally raised all across the country at the same time rent and housing goes up 15-25% for the entire country.

Some people haven't paid rent in almost 2 years. The was a moratorium on rent during the pandemic

by Anonymousreply 34January 20, 2022 12:00 AM

Where are the Pinkertons and "stagecoach shotguns"?

by Anonymousreply 35January 20, 2022 12:33 AM

With facts rather puny in this thread, here are the basics.

Thefts or looting if you will occurs along Alameda Corridor. People are either climbing aboard slow moving freight trains, throwing hand brake. This causes train to slow down which system reads as some sort of emergency and stops train. Looters then use bolt cutters to break open locked doors.. On trains that are already stopped and or cars otherwise not moving thieves just skip first bits and go to using bolt cutters on locks.

Railroads long have been enabled by statue to have their own armed LE who work on trains and RR property. Why UP isn't assigning more to police this area is another matter. UP does state when their LE do catch trespassers, looters, thieves or whatever you want to call them, they are turned over to local LE for arrest and prosecution. That is proving a worthless exercise as looters are right back out on streets within hours.

UP *could* go old school and deploy good number of well armed LE along with guard dogs to police area. But sure as night follows day if there is an incident involving one of these looters (who are mostly black, Mexican/Latino/Hispanic), all heck will break lose in liberal, progressive, socialist and democrat California.

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by Anonymousreply 36January 20, 2022 5:09 AM

UP's talk about shifting trains off Alameda Corridor is just that, they won't do it and City of Los Angeles (who owns AC) knows this very well.

While UP could reroute traffic it would send trains on a much longer route to reach their mainline (near Vernon), or yard in same area. Then you also have fact long and slow freight trains would tie up vehicle traffic for long periods of time as UP's other routes are infested with grade crossings.

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by Anonymousreply 37January 20, 2022 11:49 PM

LA DA fights back....

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by Anonymousreply 38January 22, 2022 6:42 AM

That D.A sucks. I'm not a conspiracy theory type of person, but I read some things on Twitter that George Soros funded all these district attorneys races in these bigger cities (San Francisco, Chicago, NYC, Los Angeles, etc)

It's criminal to allow people to commit all these crimes. The only thing this will accomplish is getting trump re-elected.

by Anonymousreply 39January 22, 2022 6:57 AM

Conspiracy loon ^

by Anonymousreply 40January 22, 2022 7:09 AM

I'm not a conspiracy theory type of person, but I read some things on Twitter that George Soros funded a top secret Lebensborn type program. Nice and good christian and muslim virgins were recruited on scholarships to "colleges" in quiet European cities but they were drugged and knocked up by horse-hung Cubans and Venezuelans. And those kids are sleeper cells in their late teens and early 20s now.

by Anonymousreply 41January 22, 2022 7:33 AM

It is his money, but George Soros does have a mission...

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by Anonymousreply 42January 22, 2022 7:34 AM

Finally an explanation for the several shipments I've had go missing in Los Angeles the past 18 months or so. For example, two small independent Amazon sellers ate most of the cost of an electric heater at $80 and a fancy radio at $700 (shipments were partly insured). It's not coming out of Jeff Bezos' pocket, unfortunately.

by Anonymousreply 43January 22, 2022 7:47 AM

That soros is just as bad as the koch brothers. I don't like any of these billionaires donating money

The skyrocketing crime rate is going to cause the democrats to lose control of the house and the senate.

One party is evil and the other party is completely useless.

by Anonymousreply 44January 22, 2022 8:29 AM

They are allowing these robberies for political gain.

by Anonymousreply 45January 23, 2022 3:04 AM

Soft ‘Justice’

by Anonymousreply 46January 23, 2022 3:36 AM

It looks like train tracks in a chaotic underdeveloped country. Yikes. What a mess.

by Anonymousreply 47January 23, 2022 5:04 AM

Lovely.

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by Anonymousreply 48January 23, 2022 5:06 AM

At least Newsom helped clean up. That's pretty noble.

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by Anonymousreply 49January 23, 2022 5:07 AM

Not pretty at all.

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by Anonymousreply 50January 23, 2022 5:07 AM

Hindustan Times. It's global news. Commenters from India are mocking us.

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by Anonymousreply 51January 23, 2022 5:09 AM

Another..

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by Anonymousreply 52January 23, 2022 5:10 AM

Supply chains affected. I hope Pete addresses this soon.

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by Anonymousreply 53January 23, 2022 5:10 AM

Europeans are marveling at the chaos.

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by Anonymousreply 54January 23, 2022 5:12 AM

A guest on Bill Maher confirmed that the LAPD is standing down and refuses to do any police work. Blaming the DA is right wing talking point.

by Anonymousreply 55January 23, 2022 5:12 AM

YouTube is going to be blocked thanks to the murky YouTube troll.

by Anonymousreply 56January 23, 2022 5:13 AM

Los Angeles is wild.

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by Anonymousreply 57January 23, 2022 5:13 AM

Derailment due to the mess.

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by Anonymousreply 58January 23, 2022 5:21 AM

Scavengers follow the robbers.

by Anonymousreply 59January 23, 2022 5:24 AM

The actual containers aren't owned by the railway and it isn't the railway that loads/unloads them.

by Anonymousreply 60January 23, 2022 5:27 AM

R60, sorry I'm slow. What should one infer from that?

by Anonymousreply 61January 23, 2022 5:30 AM

Just for the people commenting about the railway locking the containers, R61. That'd be the responsibility of the shipping companies like COSCO, Evergreen, Maersk, etc....Also, from what I hear, locking the containers wouldn't prevent the thefts as the rods used to secure the containers are easily broken and can be cut through easily with a grinder.

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by Anonymousreply 62January 23, 2022 5:40 AM

California.

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by Anonymousreply 63January 23, 2022 5:48 AM

R60

Poster meant that while UP or any other means of transport moves said containers, responsibility for how the are secured (locked) is not part of that job description.

If a shipper wants a more secure cargo container it is up to them to source and provide.

by Anonymousreply 64January 23, 2022 5:48 AM

That's what I said, r64. I don't think that the shipping companies are going to move to a more secure container though. These shipping cans end up in different offloading facilities all over the world and a more secure container would cause delays in loading/unloading. Intermodal facilities all over the world won't want delays because of an issue in L.A.

by Anonymousreply 65January 23, 2022 5:59 AM

R65

Exactly

It isn't as if places get back the same container they've shipped things out in. Well there was a container from some "England" moving and storage place seen in one of video clips. If that thing were used to say shift goods when people move house internationally, then such a thing might find its way back home.

Thing to remember is empty or full someone has to pay for shipping containers. So you can see why sending back empty containers isn't high on a companies list.

by Anonymousreply 66January 23, 2022 6:05 AM

Just to be clear about something. Often much of mess seen in images above comes from after real pros finish their work.

For a few years or more UP yards in LA area have been hit by professionals who arrive with freight trucks and are armed with power tools that can cut through metal. They even bring cases of beer (Corona is top choice), to drink while they work. After cutting open bars/locks they take choicest bits putting them onto said freight trucks, then move on to next car... Once done for night these pros leave, but now those freight cars are open and second wave starts.

Yes, things do happen as said above, slow moving trains or stopped cars have locks clipped open with bolt cutters, but that isn't all.

It's odd that BSNF RR has a yard not far from UP's in LA area, and they have reported nearly nil increase in thefts.

by Anonymousreply 67January 23, 2022 6:11 AM

More of a backlog at UP's yard or tracks in a more easily accessible area could explain why, R67.

by Anonymousreply 68January 23, 2022 6:15 AM

You import the third world, you become the third world.

by Anonymousreply 69January 23, 2022 7:28 AM

Of course it's Corona.

by Anonymousreply 70January 23, 2022 7:29 AM

Posting shit from National Review? Lol. Bitch, get the fuck out of here with that conservative scare tactic shit. No one cares about the corrupt broken LAPD. Fuck them. Who cares if some asshole doesn’t get their Amazon. Fuck off.

by Anonymousreply 71January 23, 2022 7:47 AM

R71 you are so deluded. Does this work for you. Do you want to give us a lecture on how RightWing the BBC . I would enjoy a laugh. I think you should look at some of the comments. Someone from the Third World says they are surprised this happens in America as well

I am not from America. This is all about how you look. Chaos , loss of order and dangerous. That is what it looks like to me and many others

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by Anonymousreply 72January 23, 2022 7:56 AM

Only a few rich countries are enlightened enough to understand the inherited and systematic oppressions of their miscellaneous underclasses and have corrected their justice systems so as to not punish the oppressed. Think of the looting as self-reparations. And the assaults and rapes and murders as reverse doit de seigneur. The refugees families were and continue to be raped by the hegemonic abuses of global capital, for centuries, so of course some will rape our rich citizens. It's annoying, but it's understandable. No use making a fuss, it will only add to the negative stereotyping. Same with looters. Why make a fuss? They can't afford these items because their great great great great grandfathers were field slaves. This is will continue until we buy all oppressed people million dollar modest homes in leafy middle class neighborhoods and give them 1 million dollars each in cash so they can participate in inherited wealth. Then maybe, maybe, these small annoyances might stop. You call this incivility but that is your racism and classicism - calling oppressed people or people who don't look and behave like you, uncivilized. We are not savages. I mean really, check your privilege!

by Anonymousreply 73January 23, 2022 11:10 AM

Any post that translates as: PANIC! or "they're laughing at you!" or "it's the darkies wot done it" is a troll post and everybody reading this thread should be aware of that. If you're reading these threads and leaving them upset and outraged, you've been suckered. If you care about an issue - I mean if you REALLY care - you have access to the internet and can inform yourself - and are advised to do so.

by Anonymousreply 74January 23, 2022 8:38 PM

BIPOC troll ^

by Anonymousreply 75January 23, 2022 9:10 PM

The LAPD is not doing any work. What do you expect the streets to look like when the police department keeps all the Covid money and refuses to do any police work?

This is the sad result.

by Anonymousreply 76January 23, 2022 9:13 PM

There are quite a few people who believe any criticism is Right Wing Trolls. Let me make this clear. The BBC shows to the whole world. If you look at the responses on You Tube, there are 20,000 comments. You can pretend all you like that it is just loons etc, but frankly I have not heard one person I know or met who can say something positive thing about America in 8 years except words like, insane, mad, lost the plot, batshit crazy, thank god I don’t live there.

Good luck with that as you burrow down further into the soil.

by Anonymousreply 77January 24, 2022 4:44 AM

It's obviously organized crime!

by Anonymousreply 78January 24, 2022 4:56 AM

I've read that UP made huge cuts to its security staff.

by Anonymousreply 79January 24, 2022 5:13 AM

Today

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by Anonymousreply 80January 30, 2022 7:02 AM

And the looters will deflect blame onto society for forcing them into a life of poverty and crime.

by Anonymousreply 81January 30, 2022 7:31 AM

You are right R77.

It's disgusting what the democrats are allowing to happen. Old man biden's administration just rescinded a deportation order for an illegal fucking immigrant who killed someone in a drunk driving accident. Once he serves his sentence, he'll be free to kill someone else in AMERICA. trump was disgusting, but so are the democrats.

This is the kind of guy Biden desperately wants in our country. DISGUSTING. The administration is working night and day to rescind removals of illegals who have been ordered to be deported. THEY NEED TO START WORRYING ABOUT REAL AMERICAN CITIZENS, instead of a bunch of piece of shit immigrants, who are criminals.

And you won't hear about this on CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, Huffington Post, The Daily Beast, The NY Times, or the Washington Post. Not a word. Not one single word

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by Anonymousreply 82February 1, 2022 9:35 AM

Lol ^

by Anonymousreply 83February 1, 2022 10:38 AM
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