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US airlines warn C-Band 5G could cause 'catastrophic disruption'

The airline industry claims a “catastrophic” event could unfold on Wednesday when AT&T and Verizon activate their new C-Band 5G networks. In a letter obtained by Reuters, the CEOs of several prominent passenger and cargo airlines, including Delta, United and Southwest, warn interference from 5G cell towers could affect the sensitive safety equipment on their planes.

"Unless our major hubs are cleared to fly, the vast majority of the traveling and shipping public will essentially be grounded," they state in the letter, which was sent to the heads of the White House Economic Council, Federal Aviation Administration and Federal Communications Commission, as well as Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg. "Immediate intervention is needed to avoid significant operational disruption to air passengers, shippers, supply chain and delivery of needed medical supplies."

The airlines have asked that AT&T and Verizon not offer 5G service within 2 miles of some of the country’s busiest and most vital airports. They’re also urging the federal government to ensure “5G is deployed except when towers are too close to airport runways until the FAA can determine how that can be safely accomplished without catastrophic disruption." The agency established 5G buffer zones at 50 airports on January 7th.

The letter is the latest development in the ongoing back and forth between the airline and wireless industries. AT&T, T-Mobile and Verizon spent nearly $80 billion at the start of 2021 to secure the repurposed C-Band spectrum the FCC had put up for auction. In November, AT&T and Verizon agreed to delay their C-Band rollouts to January 5th to help the FAA address any interference concerns. They later proposed limiting the power output of cell towers close to airports and agreed to a further two-week delay on January 4th.

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by Anonymousreply 47January 20, 2022 5:50 AM

Not sure what any of this means.

Can any tech nerds translate?

by Anonymousreply 1January 18, 2022 2:08 AM

just another thing for Americans to get insane anxiety about. Its like 2020 just keeps on coming.

by Anonymousreply 2January 18, 2022 2:12 AM

[quote] "Unless our major hubs are cleared to fly, the vast majority of the traveling and shipping public will essentially be grounded," they state in the letter, which was sent to the heads of the White House Economic Council, Federal Aviation Administration and Federal Communications Commission, as well as Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg.

It sounds like Mayor Pete from Indiana is in WAY over his head.

Maybe he should take another two months off?

by Anonymousreply 3January 18, 2022 2:14 AM

You're doing a heck of a job, Petey!

by Anonymousreply 4January 18, 2022 2:14 AM

I stopped flying when I retired, so I say let's let 5G roll out like the wireless companies want and see what happens.

No skin off my butt!

by Anonymousreply 5January 18, 2022 2:15 AM

Is this the new Y2K?

by Anonymousreply 6January 18, 2022 2:18 AM

Somehow they’ve managed to keep safely flying in European countries which have already debuted their 5G service. A tempest in a teapot…

by Anonymousreply 7January 18, 2022 2:21 AM

Yeah, Y2K....

by Anonymousreply 8January 18, 2022 2:35 AM

R7 This is not about the 5G roll out which is in use in most of the world, the issue is that cellular systems are now being licensed in a new frequency band between 3.6 and 4.0 GHz - the so-called C band. This is not used at the same power in other countries so you cannot compare it.

by Anonymousreply 9January 18, 2022 7:06 PM

r5 how kind of you.

r7 In Europe they have boundaries which is what is keeping them safe. We don't have any or few that are not enough which is why they are complaining.

by Anonymousreply 10January 18, 2022 7:11 PM

If push comes to shove tell the phone companies to fuck themselves. We don't need massive disruption so someone can download a music video 20 seconds faster. The real question is why is this just now being discussed?

by Anonymousreply 11January 18, 2022 7:49 PM

Greedy phone companies willing to risk peoples' lives.

by Anonymousreply 12January 18, 2022 7:52 PM

Thank you R9 for giving us CORRECT information, as opposed to MISinformation, like the idiot at R7 who is talking out of his ass.

by Anonymousreply 13January 18, 2022 8:02 PM

R13 Thanks, I had to look it up myself to better understand the situation and avoid jumping to conclusions.

This is not new and the airlines and FAA were aware of this and had sufficient time to address any potential issues, this is not some nefarious action out of the blue by cell carriers.

A 2 mile buffer zone will be in effect at 50 airports as per the FAA.

For more details check out the link.

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by Anonymousreply 14January 18, 2022 9:17 PM

Emirates, Japan Airlines, Air India and All Nippon cancel Boeing 777 flights to some US cities over 5G safety fears despite AT&T and Verizon halting rollout

Emirates is canceling flights to Boston, Chicago, Dallas Fort Worth, Houston, Miami, Newark, Orlando, San Francisco and Seattle indefinitely

The airline's flights to JFK, L.A.X and Dulles International Airport are all still operating

Japan Airlines has canceled three cargo flights and five passenger flights; All Nippon has canceled 20

Air India is not operating between Delhi and JFK, Chicago or San Fran, or between Mumbai and Newark

5G is up and running in other countries in Europe but it is operating at a lower frequency which doesn't pose as much of a risk to airlines

The CEOs of major US airlines had warned of mass chaos if the towers were switched on, which they said would force them to cancel thousands of flights

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by Anonymousreply 15January 18, 2022 10:28 PM

ATT and Verizon responded with a glib statement saying the laws of physics are the same in every country. But apparently even the towers in Europe are aimed down vs up in America. Not sure what pilots from every airline would get by making this up.

by Anonymousreply 16January 18, 2022 11:04 PM

Tomorrow is D-Day.

We'll see what happens.

I think Pete should lose his job over this.

WTF is he actually doing?

by Anonymousreply 17January 18, 2022 11:07 PM

Is this the same “interference that could affect the sensitive safety equipment on their planes” that had us convinced that if we didn’t put our phones on airport mode while onboard the plane, the whole thing would instantly go down in a fiery mass of molten metal and we’d all die?

Yeah. Uh huh.

by Anonymousreply 18January 18, 2022 11:11 PM

This illustrations sums up the issue for those who don't want to read. Even Pete could understand it.

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by Anonymousreply 19January 18, 2022 11:11 PM

[quote] Even Pete could understand it.

Don't be so sure.

I think we've grossly over estimated his abilities.

by Anonymousreply 20January 18, 2022 11:12 PM

[quote] The CEOs of major US airlines had warned of mass chaos if the towers were switched on, which they said would force them to cancel thousands of flights

What does mass chaos mean? Are planes going to fall out of the sky?

by Anonymousreply 21January 18, 2022 11:40 PM

[quote] What does mass chaos mean? Are planes going to fall out of the sky?

The airlines are going to CANCEL flight, numbnuts.

Are you really that stupid?

by Anonymousreply 22January 19, 2022 12:06 AM

R21 Meaning pilots will refuse to fly to those cities. Even if a minority of crew aren’t available due to weather, strikes, or covid, it affects the entire system. I would call those videos of passengers sleeping in airports and throwing around line stantions chaos.

by Anonymousreply 23January 19, 2022 12:07 AM

Why can't they just upgrade the planes with the old equipment?

by Anonymousreply 24January 19, 2022 12:07 AM

Why should the airlines have to pay for the upgrade?

It's Verizon and AT&T who are causing the problems.

And you're talking BILLIONS of dollars for the so-called "upgrade."

by Anonymousreply 25January 19, 2022 12:09 AM

More than likely the federal government would have to pay for it, as it does with a lot of airline industry sfuff.

The big problem is the auction of the frequency without fully researching the issue. The corporate friendly department.

by Anonymousreply 26January 19, 2022 12:13 AM

Buttigieg is an expert in nothing. And once again another mess proves it. And yesterday Pete does what Pete loves---bragging about the job he is doing. Guess he doesn't shop because store shelves are empty..

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by Anonymousreply 27January 19, 2022 7:58 AM

That's why I'm not gettin' the jab. Hillary and Joe want to inject me with C-Band 5G.

by Anonymousreply 28January 19, 2022 3:03 PM

You Pete haters should know that Pete isn't in charge of the FAA, or the FCC.

The government, the Trump government sold the phone companies this bandwidth, those companies paid billions of dollars to the government for the use of that bandwidth and now can't fully use them.

by Anonymousreply 29January 19, 2022 3:48 PM

[quote] You Pete haters should know that Pete isn't in charge of the FAA, or the FCC.

Then why did the CEOs of the airlines send Pete the letter? Just for fun?

NO , you fucking idiot!!

It's because he's the Transportation Secretary and doing JACK SHIT about anything,except self promotion, you apologist asshole!!!

by Anonymousreply 30January 19, 2022 4:46 PM

We're fucked.

by Anonymousreply 31January 19, 2022 4:52 PM

Airline CEO's are your excuse, they are no brighter than you apparently. We all know 5 G has been coming for years and the airlines did nothing to prepare. You must be looking in a mirror when you said, you fucking idiot!!

by Anonymousreply 32January 19, 2022 4:56 PM

The president of Emirates has slammed the 5G fiasco as the 'most delinquent, irresponsible' mess he has seen in his 50-year aviation career and blamed it on Transport Secretary 𝑷𝒆𝒕𝒆 𝑩𝒖𝒕𝒕𝒊𝒈𝒊𝒆𝒈, 𝒘𝒉𝒐 𝒉𝒆 𝒔𝒂𝒚𝒔 𝒌𝒏𝒆𝒘 𝒂𝒃𝒐𝒖𝒕 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝒊𝒎𝒑𝒆𝒏𝒅𝒊𝒏𝒈 𝒄𝒉𝒂𝒐𝒔 𝒃𝒖𝒕 𝒇𝒂𝒊𝒍𝒆𝒅 𝒕𝒐 𝒘𝒂𝒓𝒏 𝒂𝒏𝒚𝒐𝒏𝒆 𝒊𝒏 𝒕𝒊𝒎𝒆 𝒕𝒐 𝒔𝒕𝒐𝒑 𝒊𝒕.

AT&T and Verizon launched their 5G network across America on Wednesday morning, switching on 4,500 towers to bring faster wireless to their customers. They had to hold back on ten percent of the towers - 500 - that are near airports because the frequencies the towers emit could interfere with the signal on some planes.

Fifty airports have buffers to protect against it but some major airports like Denver, Atlanta, Boston, Memphis, and Houston do not.

On Wednesday, some airline passengers who were unaware of the fiasco showed up at airports ready to board their flights but were told they had been canceled.

Sir Tim Clark, the president of Emirates, appeared on CNN, Wednesday that American airlines knew about the risks before the rest of the world, and that it forced them to scramble to cancel flights then bring them back once it was safe.

American airline CEOs - who have lucrative contracts with the government - are praising it for reaching a negotiation with the telecoms giants, and reserving all criticism of why it took so long.

'Let the truth be known, we were not aware of this until yesterday morning to the extent that it was going to compromise the safety of operation of our aircraft and just about every other 777 operator to and from the United States and within the United States. It came to a head, it was known by the US operators probably a little bit more than we knew.

'We have evidence of letters being written to the Secretary of Transport in the US government alerting that group to what was likely to happen and its consequences.

'I need to be as candid as I normally am and say this is one of the most delinquent, utterly irresponsible issues, I've seen in my aviation career because it involves organs of government, manufacturers, science,' Clark said.

by Anonymousreply 33January 19, 2022 6:29 PM

#FIREPETE

by Anonymousreply 34January 19, 2022 6:30 PM

Pete is doing fuck all!!!

useless cunt.

makes gay people look bad!

by Anonymousreply 35January 19, 2022 6:42 PM

The auction of this bandwidth was widely publicized when it happened. If the airlines were operating on a frequency so close as to cause problems they could have bid on it and preserved the status quo.

All radio frequencies in the US are public property and I just don’t think the airlines should be able to freeload off of the American public.

by Anonymousreply 36January 19, 2022 7:24 PM

If there is blame in all this, I will blame the providers. Verizon is about as trustworthy as a broke crack whore watching your house for the night.

Oddly, how does it work that all these other countries have 5G and miraculously have flights going in and out for years? Verizon and their fucking lowlife telecom pals for government money; this is a concerted shakedown of the federal government.

by Anonymousreply 37January 19, 2022 7:47 PM

Canada has had 5G since 2020 and is not affected.

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by Anonymousreply 38January 19, 2022 7:55 PM

R30 you are nuts

by Anonymousreply 39January 19, 2022 8:00 PM

R$6 the airlines couldn't have come up with the money just to not use the frequency. No investors would do that. It's not realistic.

by Anonymousreply 40January 19, 2022 8:01 PM

[quote]It's because he's the Transportation Secretary and doing JACK SHIT about anything,except self promotion, you apologist asshole!!!

Oh, OP, take some Nervine.

by Anonymousreply 41January 19, 2022 8:02 PM

r30 is OP, r39.

by Anonymousreply 42January 19, 2022 8:03 PM

Fuckityfuckfuck.

by Anonymousreply 43January 19, 2022 8:38 PM

R35 = You think Pete is bad? You should check out Chastens useless twitter feed. Filled with meaningless dribble. You would think Chasten was a teacher for ten years instead of the paltry months he actually racked up in Hillbilly Indiana. Chasten is a stereotype of his entire generation. Sitting on his ass all day and just re-tweeting stupidity. You know what monumental achievement Chasten accomplished on World Aids Day? A re-tweet. Tweeting is not an accomplishment. Getting a fucking JOB would be a good start for lazy Chasten.

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by Anonymousreply 44January 20, 2022 4:36 AM

These telecom firms have congress/all the politicians in their pockets. They write their own legislation, slanted hopelessly in their favor, that is passed because they paid for it. This is what it's come to.

There is nobody steering this ship. I'm disgusted.

by Anonymousreply 45January 20, 2022 4:46 AM

It will be airline lobbyists v telecom lobbyists. I don't plan to fly any time soon.

by Anonymousreply 46January 20, 2022 5:30 AM

Soooooooooooooooo everyone has survived the 5G onslaught have they?

by Anonymousreply 47January 20, 2022 5:50 AM
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