Gallup: Americans become more Republican

Is this just gas prices? Or the usual pendulum swing of the morons?

Welcome to de-evolution.

It's a fraud. Republicans are taking to heart the idea that the bigger the republic, the easier to fake what it really thinks. Party allegiance has never varied that much in such a short time in American history. Not even in 1932. This is a complete fraud.

Overall, party ID has remained steady since the 1990s. America got more Democratic in 2018 and 2019, but the press did not report it that way. Because the press in the US is conservative biased. Averaged out over 30 years, nothing has changed...

I'm working as fast as I can, OP

R4, you can’t be serious. The press has a liberal bias is nothing else.

[Quote] Americans aren’t so smart.

Are you saying they were at some point?

Well, today’s Republicans are less about Christianity and more about the rejection of the elite establishment.

The Democrats are the party of Wall Street, Facebook, Google, Amazon, etc.

Untrue about the liberal bias. The press has had a conservative bias for more than 40 years. And during that time they have tried to eliminate all alternative sources of news. Noam Chomsky had all the stats thirty years ago in "Manufacturing Consent" and it has only gotten worse since then. We are becoming like Australia, where a conservative media monopoly has been active so long that most Aussie's have never heard a genuine left viewpoint.

So the NYT, Washington Post, Hollywood, CNN, ABC and NBC don’t have a liberal bias? I disagree.

Well you're stupid R10. Washington Post has been conservative since Katherine Graham died. None of the outlets you mention are owned by liberals. Not a single one, and when it comes to the news, it is the owner who dictates what is presented, not the journalists, who are proletarians and may indeed have other views. Most of all these outlets depend on the conservative run Associated Press, btw.

Excesses of woke-ism are playing into this.

R11 lives under a rock.

R12 is right: excess woke-ism in the form of a trans rights movement that has become divorced from reality, BLM which blames everything on structural racism but doesn’t acknowledge the need for personal responsibility within the black community, crime out of control in the cities coupled with bail reform and reduction in sentencing by liberal DAs, inflation out of control but expansive social programs and no middle class relief in the form of SALT deduction or forgiveness of student loan debt.

Anyone who thinks the press has a liberal bias is just superficially thinking of liberalism as post-war pieties about freedom and equality. Of course mainstream journalists give lip service to that, but they also too often remain blind to the real questions of who uses power at the expense of whom in the US, which is what real liberal/progressive/leftist politics is about. Just because the NYT's conservative voices are centrists like David Brooks rather than open racists like Tucker Carlson doesn't mean it has a meaningful left slant (and part of the problem is the right has moved so far to the extreme right that the NYT or WaPo look very liberal compared to the screeching harpies on Fox).

Good summary, r14.

No r15 it's the left who have moved to the extreme left. So far that literally millions of us left that party after being lifelong democrats.

Average people, who spend most of the day working and not staring at their navels or indulging in ideological mind games, see the more insane claims surrounding the trans thing, or the way that lax policing of crime have affected people's personal safety, with stores closing all over San Francisco, and they want nothing to do with it. People want security and they don't want bizarre, quasi-religious beliefs forced on them.

The media loves conflict and ratings. They loved Trump because he knew how to generate a new story every day. BIden Is boring by comparison. Same with The View. Boring without Meghan driving the conflict and getting the buzz. We need to get back to a time where politicians are boring and not saying whatever gets eyeballs.

That’s why we need to ignore Trump. I don’t appreciate Biden talking about him. He shouldn’t mention his name, ever. He shouldn’t even exist. Joe needs to stay above the fray.

Who’s worse - the hard left or hard right?

Both the same. Body count around WW2 shows that.

Not gonna happen r19

GOP the party of working class? Dems the party of Wall Street? Name one fucking economic policy the GQP does for the working class? Nonstop tax cuts for the rich is all they do. Dems? Tax cuts for the rest of us, child tax credits, tons of money for schools to close the. COVID gaps, infrastructure and much, much more.

[quote]Both the same. Body count around WW2 shows that.

The Chinese Cultural Revolution is the hard left and 100+ million people died in that. WWII = 50 million.

Actually that's not true. It was the "Great Leap Forward" that had those kind of casualties. But the right in the US is responsible for millions of deaths every year due to the violence of our health care system. An example would be the decades long campaign against aspirin. Why? Because aspirin was grandfathered in under the Food & Drug act so they waged a huge propaganda campaign to stop using aspirin and force us to use ibuproe and acetomenaphine and the result was millions of unnecessary deaths by heart disease. All brought to you by vioent profit-seeking right-wingers.

The far left and the far right have displayed comparable willingness for mass slaughter, genocide and violent repression. Horseshoe theory is credible.

Nonsense. Moderates are just as vile. See: British Empire and the Irish famine.

I don't understand how anyone can look at the pathologically lying criminally corrupt fascist authoritarian bumblingly inept stupidly moronic white supremacist con-men and frauds of the Republican Party and think "Yeah, I want to be like them!"

Seriously, WTF is wrong with people.

[quote]Nonsense. Moderates are just as vile.

Bullshit false equivalency alert.

R27, Horseshoe Theory is not only credible, it's very real, and they're hammering that horseshoe into a damn circle these days.

[quote]Who’s worse - the hard left or hard right?

Well, the hard right is worse, but the problem is, the hard left does little more than help them while self-righteously thumping their chests claiming to be so much better. It's a weird situation.

If you think the hard left is about being nice and fair to people you need to read history. Plenty of mass graves and gulags tell another story. I don't want either the hard right or the hard left to take power. There's a comparable chance of ending up in a body bag or a camp with both.

R33 Until that happens HERE in the USA it is NOT relevant. The Right HERE is starting down that path NOW. The far Left here is nowhere near what happened in other Leftist countries.

R24, the Dems just spend money and spend and spend. The big corporations don’t care if the Dems raise taxes on the rich because it’s all smoke and mirrors with the loopholes. Trump, on the other hand, partially closed the loop hole with his tax reform.

NO he didn't dumbass. He and his family made mega-profits off the presidency, unlike anything Obama or the Clintons did by a factor of at least 30.

Bless your heart, r35.

I hate the hard left but the craziness on the hard right is pathological. I’m talking about the ones who follow QANON down the rabbit hole or the anti vaxxers who’d rather die than listen to Fauci. Scary.

So some of the recent excesses in Seattle for example didn't give you any pause for thought? Pointing out the lunacy on the violent far left doesn't excuse or diminish the threat from the far right so don't bother with that strategy.

Swing voters are all psychotic morons and narcissists. Every single one.

R35 ahahahahahahahaha

R39 A VERY small minority. WHATABOUTISM is alive and well. We have dozens of violent right wing domestic terrorists organizations. They are deemed, by the former president’s CIA pick, as a bigger threat to us than foreign terrorists.

R39 Sorry, that is in response to the person you responded to.

The woke stuff is killing Democrats so badly.

If you believe mainstream media like the NYT and the networks have a "liberal bias," you've been brainwashed. You know nothing.

Why is there a stench emanating from reply 43?

But the authoritarian stuff isn’t killing republicans? OMFG we’re doomed then.

R45 That was cheap labor conservatives who lured immigrants into the country. Reagan, HW, and W granted amnesty. Clinton and Obama were known to be tough on deportations. Try again.

The Latino birthrate is declining rapidly. And even if it weren't you should be grateful. Who else is going to keep the economy growing except immigrants and their progeny since Americans are too lazy and consumerist to breed anymore.

The both siders and the ones obsessed with "the lunacy on the violent far left" can both fuck off. One side attempted a coup. One side is a covid denying death cult. One side believes QAnon and follows lunatic fringe figures. The other side wants housing, healthcare and a living wage. Oh and rights and respect for transgender people.

But DO go on...

It's not DL if the loons don't come into a thread on political party ID and start SCREAMING about trans people and lazy shiftless coloreds stealing iPads and raping white blondes princesses. You lazy troll cunts.

So here's a reality check for "pollsters": Democrats in the Senate represent 45 MILLION more people than Republicans. 8 of 9 elections were won by Democrats, not by thousands, but by millions of votes.

I am so fucking tired of the media desperately trying to magnify the actual influence of Republicans to supersede the reality of who actually gets most of the votes in the country. GOP-led states wouldn't be pulling voter nullification/suppression if they could *actually* get people to vote for them. Biden got the most votes in fucking history. And that fact orange fuck can run as many times as he wants and the majority of this nation will NEVER support him or the GOP - that's why they have to STEAL elections or fake electoral votes.

FAT* orange fuck

Only old people answer their phone for this shit. And they’re all Republican. And will be dead soon. Next!

The press has a conservative bias? CONSERVATIVE???Have I fallen ass backwards into some sort of bizzare 5th Dimension?

Seriously though I have read alot of delirious delussional shit here but this has to take the cake.

Omfg..

Phone polls are now notoriously inaccurate. We've seen that play out here Australia during the last few elections, where the polling has been way off after being accurate for years. It's been put down to the decline of the landline and the resulting unrepresentativeness of polling samples.

If there are so little fucking republicans than can we stop publishing and posting so many scare mongering articles about how Trump might take over in 2024 and shit? Tyvm.

The other thing is the conservative press is just RUBBING their collective dicks and cunts in anticipation of the GOP winning in November. Contrast this with the coverage in 2018. "While Democrats take the House back? Can they do it? Will they actually lose seats?" But now, oh no, the GOP are guaranteed a win. The media is making it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

R55: Yes bitch. If you actually bothered to consume the product put out by the press, you will see a conservative bias, in favor of the status quo that relies on right wing economic framing and total hatred of the Democratic Party.

For those who live with their head in their ass and who have repeatedly expressed that immigration, inflation, supply chain, education, Afghanistan, are all inconsequential, the party shift must be quite a surprise.

Republicans always fuck things up epically only to have Dems come in, clean it up, then get blamed it wasn’t on the timeline they felt appropriate.

By “Republican” do they mean they’re becoming more inclined to join up with the fascist White-nationalist Trump death cult? Because that’s what the Republican Party is now. If so, that sucks.

R49 needs to look up the government's own statistics on Latino welfare use. Hint: its astronomical.

Obama?? Tough on deportations??? Haha...omg...haha....Yeah he counted border turnarounds as "deportations" so, no.

Obama?? Tough on deportations??? Haha...omg...haha....Yeah he counted border turnarounds as "deportations" so, no.

You’ll see real Cancel culture if these republicans get elected. Just fucking wait.

R35 is fucking DELUSIONAL.

Democrats INVEST. They don't just spend.

Republicans steal and lie and fleece and scam and con.

It's the high crime that the democrats refuse to do anything about and the prices. I'm tired of scumbags stealing everything that isn't nailed down, robbing people, even killing people. It's pure insanity

And the democrats don't seem worried about it at all.

It’s the wishy-washy Independents and the working class (especially Hispanics) giving up on Democrats? Are people really wanting 4 more years of inept Donald Trump?

Anybody who parrots the old Republican talking point of "there's a liberal bias in the press" is a complete idiot. Look it up. It was never really true, but the Republicans lied, as usual, so that they would shame the press into treating their insane bullshit ideas equally and not call them out on it.

The press loves conflict - it's all clickbait now for advertising revenue. They kept talking about how the shelves would be empty for Christmas and that Biden isn't doing anything about it. But then Biden did act and there weren't many shortages at all - but nobody in the press talks about that.

Kamala Harris buying herself a nice pot to cook in was a major headline. It's crazy.

There is also a lot of pressure in certain areas in the country to be Republican and with very few other viewpoints allowed.

Fuck them all. You couldn't pay me to live in ANY red state.

I'd love to have two options in elections. There are elements in the Democratic Party that need to be pulled back and checked, but the GOP has turned into a cult of personality centered upon a conman. There IS no option. So, while I may not identify as a Democrat, they will get my vote for the foreseeable future. Nothing AOC could say could be in any conceivable way worse than the dross coming from Marjorie, that lunatic from Colorado, Trump, DeSantis, and on and on and on.

BTW, polls late last year said that more than 65% of the country would NEVER want to see Trump as President again. That's an astounding number. People may not love Biden, but if it's between him and Trump, Trump is going to lose.

The problem for Democrats is young people and minorities giving up. The Republicans are all in with Trump and having a low-brain base of voters who are racist.

R55 IA its about defending the status quo...I find it hilarious you think its the republicans that are pushing it...not that they wouldnt either if they had the power. But yes, very funny indeed. Guess if one doesn't like it, it's not done by one's side but the other.

R65 wasnt cancel culture borne smack in the middle of Trump in office?

R73 see how the press treated Bernie. How it happens to magically coincide with how the Democratic party treated him. He wasn't for the status quo if memory serves me right.

Hopefully Democrats and Independents will rally when they truly become afraid of neo-fascism. A return to Trump would be ignition of civil war and global annihilation.

The big problem now is people are in social media and news media bubbles.

[quote] [R12] is right: excess woke-ism in the form of a trans rights movement that has become divorced from reality, BLM which blames everything on structural racism but doesn’t acknowledge the need for personal responsibility within the black community, crime out of control in the cities coupled with bail reform and reduction in sentencing by liberal DAs, inflation out of control but expansive social programs and no middle class relief in the form of SALT deduction or forgiveness of student loan debt.

Trans = 1% of the population and have zero impact of most people's lives

Black people = 13% of the population and have zero impact on the lives of most whites

White voters have spent 60 yrs cutting their own throats voting for Republican policies that only benefit the rich. After 30 yrs of rightwing talk radio and cable news 24 hrs a day telling whites (in this 70+ percent white nation where whites own everything and run everything) that nonwhites are taking what rightfully belongs to them and they are the real victims of oppression. White voters are now destroying democracy and ushering in rightwing authoritarianism. White supremacist rhetoric and policies that only benefit the rich is they only thing Republicans have to offer and the majority of white voters lap that shit right up. They are burning this nation to the ground because of their racial resentment.

Luckily more Americans identifying as Republicans are also identifying as dead from Covid!

[quote] only to have Dems come in, clean it up, then get blamed

People clinging to airplanes leaving Kabul didn’t seem very cleaned up. The highest inflation in decades, empty store shelves, more Covid deaths than Trump, the flood of illegal immigrants, all seem the opposite of cleaned up. It may be time to update the talking points.

R52 Nice sentiment but thats all it is. If the 2022 election were held today, Dems would get 10 million more senate votes and lose 5 seats.

Nonsense R79. We shouldn't have been in Afghanistan in the first place. The most important "inflation" has been in wages, which turns around a trend begun in the 1970s of suppressing wages for the rich. Illegal immigrants have been caught and deported more by Democrats than by Republicans: indeed in his first term George W. Bush did not prosecute one single employer for using illegal foreign labor. You are just an idiot R79, who did not follow the news the last forty years and decides to lay one on us in the usual lying republican manner.

People are tired of the tranny race-baiting SJW bullshit.

[quote] Black people = 13% of the population and have zero impact on the lives of most whites

They commit the most crimes and turn cities into hellholes. So blacks do impact the lives of whites, right down to abolishing police so they can commit even more crimes.

How is Gallup still doing fucking phone surveys? Nobody under 80 has a landline or answers their cell when an unrecognized number calls. It's no longer 1992 and they need to drop the phone surveys. Their data will be skewed until they do.

R84, I do, and so does everyone else I know.

Don’t ever forget that FOX is owned by the AUSTRALIAN Rupert Murdoch. Why on earth should he give a shit about what happens in the US?

We should never allow foreign owners of our media. Period.

Gallup stopped publishing their "horse race" polls in 2016 to help Trump, stopped publishing daily popularity polls because they didn't like how it reflected on Trump, and they made him "most admired man" as he was still fighting to get votes thrown out so he could steal the election.

Back in 2013, the Obama Administration charged Gallup's parent company with lying about its labor practices and hours in order to get government contracts, and they had to pay the government $10.5M.

I wouldn't trust them much these days.

[quote]Kamala Harris buying herself a nice pot to cook in was a major headline. It's crazy.

The timing of it was so obvious but no one wanted to see it. There were a few stories about how she was popular in France and they showed her at Le Creuset buying the pot, and how fun and relatable it was because her husband was the one who wanted it, but those stories got no push. One week later and the exact same stuff was brought up but framed by nearly everyone in the media as Kamala being out of touch, elitist, tone deaf and ugly.

The media sat on the story until they could frame it as something negative. They did it on purpose.

The media came down hard on Biden because news company owners were mad that he withdrew from Afghanistan, and they're still sulking about it. Corporations are raising prices and then hiding behind the lie of inflation.

The Saudis got mad that Biden wouldn't suck up to Mohammed bin Salman and raised oil prices which contributed to the gas price increase, and Biden, trying to fix that problem, allowed sales of weapons to the Saudis in December (and it passed the Senate) and only NOW are gas prices starting to decrease. If prices continue to decrease, the media will not mention it. Just watch.

As people get older, in general, they have kids, buy a house, become more selfish, self-centred. Once they "get theirs," they care less about the greater good and can't afford to be idealistic. They grow more jaded and protective. Republicans can exploit "othering" vulnerable populations (low wage immigrants, Muslims) as threats to the American pursuit of happiness.

"Get theirs" or "earn theirs"?

There is nothing the Republicans can possibly do that is more beneficial for them than sit back and watch. Even the sensible demand of free university is getting undermined by the prevalent, narcissist brand of academic who majored in gender studies and is now "schooling" everyone. I understand everyone who works a regular job who does not want his tax dollars to be spent that way, adding insult to injury. Another thing - I'm not up to date: Was the huge defense budget cut now that Biden is in office, did Trump ramp it up or doesn't it really matter who is in office in this regard? (Honest question)

R67 You’d think you’d be worried about all the corporate theft/shenanigans going on that costs you WAY more than any petty thief. Walgreens got caught stealing $4.5 million in wage theft. Failed CEOs get hundred million dollar golden parachutes. Wake up to the real crime. The crime that really costs money and drives others into lives of crime. Hint: it’s in the tall buildings where the corps are headquarters. Income inequality is causing more crime than any one policy. Wake up. There is one party who has caused more income inequality and that party is the Grand Oppressive Party.

I have never been polled..... on the other hand, I rarely answer my phone.

As per the usual, liberals, look in a mirror and blame yourselves. You are toxic.

R83 Such a racist. Do you admit it or make excuses?

This is an absolute joke. Some of the grossest third world looking states in the US don’t even have black people living there.

I am a 50 year old moderate democrat who has voted for moderate republicans once or twice in in my life. They say that most of us get more conservative as we get older, however I can't say that has been the case with me. I am not more conservative, I just have this really strong aversion to extremes. The progressive side of the democratic party bothers me almost as much as the Trump side of the republican party. The only major difference between the two sides in my opinion is that, at least the Trump side of the republican party, is willing to come out and vote. And yes, I know about the roadblocks to voting in some states... but if something is really important to you, you can find a way.

As Gen X and Millennials age, more become Republican. That’s always been the case; people forget that Boomers were at one time Hippies.

Then, we have more Hispanics voting, and contrary to the hopes of Democrats, they do not vote the same way as Blacks, aka 90% Democrat.

Plus, the US is a Conservative country. And the Democrats always picks the stupidest battles to fight.

[quote]And the Democrats always picks the stupidest battles to fight.

Yes. Or battles that do not have broad appeal. Or they are always trying to do the "right" thing. There should have been in-person rallies, door knocking, and a massive in person GOTV campaign back in 2020. We would have truly flipped the Senate. Maybe 52 or 53 democrats and Manchin and Simena wouldn't be holding shit hostage right now.

All Republicans have is "look at countries where extremist Liberals have ruled, they fucked it up so hard!". All to distract from the cold truth of how they fuck it up so hard when they are in charge in the US. Distraction, hate and fearmongering. That's their platform.

US Liberals wanting better healthcare and decent wages? Republicans scream like stuck pigs about socialism like it's the worst thing. Worse than fascism.

[quote]US Liberals wanting better healthcare and decent wages?

That’s not all they want. They want CRT and trans shit too. Stop omitting the scary things. Include it all.

Like the infrastructure deal—where the dubious Equality Act was buried underneath it. I had no idea it was. Democrats do shit like this. I went from hot to cold with Democrats, instantly after I learned the bill was apart of the infrastructure deal.

Same here, R94

[quote]The progressive side of the democratic party bothers me almost as much as the Trump side of the republican party.

Yes, I too feel that wanting to increase the minimum wage is EXACTLY as bad as attempting to overthrow our government in a violent coup.

[quote]Yes, I too feel that wanting to increase the minimum wage is EXACTLY as bad as attempting to overthrow our government in a violent coup.

Or the hard left pillaging cities.

There is always something that you won't like, on either side, that comes along with the parties. However, the repubs...IMO, are scarier with their blatant lack of integrity and ethics, to the point of lunacy and mental illness, the dismanteling of healthcare to save companies money, the wanting to take away programs that seniors need (SS and Medicare/caid), going toward authoritarism just to hold onto power...still embracing loser conman trump, even when most know how dangerous he is...not wanting to have common sense laws regarding guns, adding to the violence, and going along with the racists and haters, and militias that want to overthrow the government. The attempted coup should be the last straw....but, it doesn't seem to be....very much like when Sandy Hook had that terrible shooting, and still....nothing has changed in the laws. Democrats have their flaws and problems, but they are more about the people than repubs will ever be. Repubs will always just care about wealthy corporations and their wealthy overlords. Sorry for the rambling comment and any spelling errors, etc.

R102, was the Equality Act in the bill passed or was it stripped? I can't find that information online? If actually passed it would have been a big deal.

I know R107. It would be a good thing and nothing to complain about?

It would not be a good thing.

If it was stripped good. Leave the Equality Act up to the states so I can vote NO!

American media is mostly liberal in costumes and conservative in economy and geopolitics. America is still an imperialistic and belligerent society. Aside from America only dictatorships and former communist countries emphasize and support the troops like Americans do, it's laughable. The Democratic party would be center-right at best anywhere in the world but here.

It's almost as if more people were prepared to admit they're republicans once Trump was sent packing.

Media isn't your friend. It's a manipulation tool to get under your skin and push your buttons.

Yes, I hate the way Hard Leftists like Joe Manchin and Sinema are wrecking any kind of Democratic achievements ahead of the midterms.

These progressives need to learn practical reality!! It's their fault when the Dems lose the House!!!

What exactly have Dems accomplished, besides a Juneteenth holiday (in addition to MLK Day) and a bill to increase turnout among their base? Most voters are not black activists, nor very liberal whites.

R115, why are you a Republican? Your Party is accurately known as a party of rabid racism, sexism, xenophobia, homophobia, Dark Age antiscientific reactionaries, policies slanted toward the wealthy and big corporations, and harming the environment.

Lol R106...that is all the establishment democrats want too. Yes they might talk the talk and they might push one or two progresive policies to keep voters but money and corporations will always be #1 no matter who is in power ESPECIALLY in this country. No one outside of a few gullible americans think the US is not, by default, fervently right wing and capitalist , no matter what side. The ones that try to challenge that NEVER make it to office. Pushing for...what? A little more taxes for the rich and being pro abortion does not and has not ever established America's status quo.

R117 *challenged America's status quo

R111 "American media is mostly liberal in costumes and conservative in economy and geopolitics."

That is because it is ruled by establishment democrats.

[quote]American media is mostly liberal in costumes and conservative in economy and geopolitics.

That is because it is ruled by establishment democrats.

R116 - note the quotes around "Republican" - I've been accused of being one for daring to criticize Dems.

Look, both are shitty options. The conservatives are fascist bullies and the liberals are so clumsy, dropping the ball all the time (almost like it's deliberate). Both stall actual progress in their own way.

However, by keeping Liberals in power some small progress can be made (but it usually results in some giant loopholes the right-wing uses to almost reverse the progress that has been made the moment they are in charge again).

That is why I do believe in the conspiracy that both parties answer to the same master, or masters, behind the curtain.

I dunno, they passed a huge trillion dollar stimulus bill and Biden has been stocking the federal judiciary with non-crazy people at a steady clip for well over a year.

There have been disasters, for sure. Mostly attributable to Biden's confidence that the Senate works like it used to. It's depressing how they all have to learn the same lesson over and over and over.

"Americans become more sexist, racist, stupid, fascist, and self-destructive" is what the headline really says.

I like Joe Biden. I like the hard left too but I do not like CRT or transitioning (unless ex-gays are given the same respect, rights, and freedoms to transition to “heterosexual”). There are certain aspects of the hard left I like.

What about CRT don't you like?

The trans movement has allowed me to sympathize with ex-gays.

The problem is that the Right-Wing and the Right Wing Media appeal to people's negative emotions and impulses to gain more money and more power. That creates a tug-of-war over trivial, and even non-existing, matters like CRT, Liberal Cancel Culture, White people being oppressed by uppity minorities, etc.

[quote]What about CRT don't you like?

CRT will teach kids to see themselves racially. It will segregate. Black kids will see their problems are all a result of the white man (and where will white gay men fall into this? The notion is that white gay men de-masculinize black men, I have read this many, many times. Also the “gay” is a white man’s problem. I’ve heard this uttered by black people standing next to them). Blacks are not fond of gays already, but they certainly not fond of white gays most of all. CRT will embolden that hostility…or possible, additional violence.

CRT should be taught in law school. As it is now. That’s it.

I mean that's not what CRT say or is at all. It's the panicky shit spewed out by right-wingers.

And it's funny that no one bothers to ask how things impact black children.

But you do you!

Then what is it.

[quote]but I do not like CRT

You don't even know what it is.

[quote]CRT will teach kids to see themselves racially.

Given that CRT is only taught in post graduate law schools, I highly doubt this.

But regardless, you're deeply wrong and deeply racist. At worst, teaching kids in school ACTUAL HISTORY so that we may learn from it and not repeat it is a GOOD idea, and you'd rather white-wash it all. You're a terrible failure of a person.

You didn’t read my post^.

[quote]You're a terrible failure of a person.

[quote]But regardless, you're deeply wrong and deeply racist.

This is a Democrat. This is why Democrats will get crushed in 22, 24, and 28. They are deplorables. They are aggressive, they do nothing but name call, they are hostile. It’s horrible. I want nothing to do with either. I’ll see the Democrats in the 2030s. Maybe.

Stop being such a little pussy.

The fact that you even referenced that CRT bullshit shows you to be a troll.

Enjoy voting Republican but don't be shocked when they turn on you. You mean NOTHING to them.

Stop arguing with the guy screaming about CRT. He's been saying the exact same things about CRT and other push-button rightwing topics for over a year and you always fall for it!

Democrats need to distance from CRT. It doesn’t help in elections and is just more speaking to the smaller and smaller choir.

It's funny that no one's wringing their hands about Rs needing to distance themselves from the "Stolen election" lie.

But beyond that, it's not CRT teaching American children to view life racially, it's America. CRT is a correction. Maybe you don't like that! Lots of people don't.

Yes Democrats should keep doing things that are unpopular and get angry when more people identify as Republicans. Quite the political strategy.

It’s because the Democrats lately have had a strategy where they give into lobbying groups that say, “don’t print this” or “don’t discuss that” in media. But when people have discussions with opposite side family members or friends or people they debate online, the content that the newspapers find taboo inevitably comes up and people read about it, and find that some of it is fact-based. Not to say it isn’t skewed by partisans on the right, but the left doesn’t try to engage with studies/data or whatever the right might try to put out there. I’m not sure whether part of it is research bias, since the right wing has more money and in theory could buy skewed research in their favor. But it comes up repeatedly in Congressional transcripts - right wingers will say, I sent you such and such study and you didn’t respond. People google these topics regardless of what political affiliation they started off with, and if the left just says, we don’t print arguments to counter the right because if you’re on the left you should just assume the right is wrong- that doesn’t work anymore. Democrats need counter arguments and counter studies to engage in debate on some major issues and also need to be open to acknowledging being wrong sometimes.

[quote]It’s the wishy-washy Independents and the working class (especially Hispanics) giving up on Democrats? Are people really wanting 4 more years of inept Donald Trump?

No we don't. And sure the hell don't want 4 more years of Biden.

The democrats are failures who can not get a simple message across to save their own lives. They just want to do the same old, same old. The republicans are power hungry, money grubbing whores, but the democrats are a bunch of grifters too. They're the stereotypical government employees. They don't want to do anything extra. Our government doesn't work and they are fine with that because they still get paid. Whether they accomplish anything or not.

My Aunt is what you would call a "deplorable" and an "insurrectionist". She was at the protest on Jan 6th, but she didn't go inside the Capitol. She's extremely politically motivated, organizes rallies in her small Florida town. She doesn't sit around wishing death on liberals and making up stupid slurs to dehumanize them with. She doesn't hate gay people. She's more worried about China and how the political leadership of the Democrats is actually operating in this country. The Right in general (these days) seems to be focused on policies and government. All I see from the Left is naked hatred, personal attacks, and name calling. Maybe if Democrats didn't feel so morally superior to anyone with a differing opinion...

R141, Democrats are also tied down with debating other Democrats, or independent centrists, or even centrist Republicans with great fervor and fury, while pretending the more extreme Republicans- at this point the larger group as things become more partisan - don’t exist. So you can have a bunch of anti-JK Rowling articles, never mind that Rowling is not anti-gay and many on the right actually are explicitly homophobic, not just contesting a specific point in the trans movement. We’ve taken to rudely debating people with views closer to our own, while extreme Republicans write their own articles that we never directly engage with or try to counter.

[quote]The Right in general (these days) seems to be focused on policies and government.

How are they governing, r142? What are their policies?

Letters from Moscow, everyone. Nothing to see here…🙄

It does feel like we're getting another wave, doesn't it, r145?

It does r146. The right wing is afraid. Each day reveals more mendacity and shadiness.

I don't think they fully understand that they're dealing with Datalounge, r147.

[quote] The Right in general (these days) seems to be focused on policies and government.

Ok cool! Let's start with a list of all the things the R party wants to do with control of Congress.

I'll start.

Cut taxes on rich people and gut environmental regulations.

You're next....

This doesn't surprise me. Outside of NY and CA, the country is, beyond a shadow of a doubt, increasingly conservative.

I guess that's why we have a Dem president, Dem House and Dem Senate?

R151 we won't come November........

[quote}This is what happens after the gullible Democrats bring in too many shithole, homophobic, anti-feminism, gun-crazy, Catholic latinos and they come in and never stop breeding.

Even your keyboard is embarrassed for you.

[quote]So here's a reality check for "pollsters": Democrats in the Senate represent 45 MILLION more people than Republicans. 8 of 9 elections were won by Democrats, not by thousands, but by millions of votes.

I don't think this is representative of how many people are affliated with any party. You have Republicans in true blue states like NY and California that just don't vote because their vote isn't going to change the outcome.

And in Oklahoma, the reddest states in the country, 35% of the people vote Dem. That goes both ways, dear.

In Texas, 46% of the state voted for Biden.

Gallup is a conservative company and their polls always skew accordingly. This is not news, it's propaganda.

R157, even so, all of the data, including before the big shift in the 4th quarter, is from Gallup. So even if the numbers aren’t completely accurate, the 4th quarter shift may be.

[quote]And yes, I know about the roadblocks to voting in some states... but if something is really important to you, you can find a way.

People have jobs and families. Don't make it sound as though Republicans are simply telling you you need to put an extra stamp on your mail-in. They are removing polling stations so that people (many of whom don't have a fucking car) have to go miles away to vote. They're removing boxes. They want to determine the outcome even if you as a Dem walk on broken glass to go vote. They are doing everything specifically in heavy Dem areas to make it impossible to vote - why in the hell would you rationalize in any way, shape or form what the GOP is doing? Why in the hell should we give in to them trying to take away the most basic tenet of being an American?

It's no surprise you think like this when I see what you wrote below. You really are blind to how much more dangerous the GOP is than any fucking Dem. No progressive is looking to hurt you. Having to use "they" or some annoying bullshit like that is not quite the same as what the GOP is doing.

[quote]The progressive side of the democratic party bothers me almost as much as the Trump side of the republican party.

And there in lies the problem. You don't have the capacity to understand that being annoyed by someone like AOC or trans issues which will NEVER affect your daily life is not the same or even close to the dangers posed by the Republican party and the literal attempts to turn the country into an authoritative one. We had people willing to KILL members of congress on behalf of the stupidest, scummiest, low-life pile of shit to ever hold the highest office. We have Republicans who have committed fraud, who have attempted to assassinate governors...and you think a single progressive Dem has done anything even close to what the entire Republican party has done to this country? You need to be more introspective and ask yourself why you set the bar so low for Republicans and so high for Democrats that you think whatever issue you have with progressives is anywhere near as dangerous and toxic as the entire right-wing.

therein*

R158 - the numbers indicate to me, at least, that a lot of Republicans who hated Trump or were embarrassed by Trump, are coming home.

[quote]trans issues which will NEVER affect your daily life

Yeah it will because you have these homophobic parents who march their gender non-conforming tweens or teens into these so called laboratories, I mean clinics, and place their kids on hormones and remove their genitals. And yes, it is that simple. I’ve seen Tavistock videos 2 trillion times.

It will affect me because I’m a gay man and I don’t want to see gay and lesbian kids drugged and hacked up. But if this is the direction the gay (white male) community wants to go down, since they are the trans largest financial support, then I hope the other side works to get ex-gay therapy into the mainstream, and I will vote in favor of ex-gay reparative therapy because you have the left-wing reparative therapy and not the right-wing reparative therapy. That’s just simply wrong and maybe not even constitutional.

Well that seals it then! Tavistock!! Tavistock!! Say no more! Tavistock!!

What's Tavistock?

*you can’t have

Don't forget Mermaids! A lot richer because of me!

R166: What the hell does this have to do with the Gallup Poll?

[quote] I will vote in favor of ex-gay reparative therapy because you have the left-wing reparative therapy and not the right-wing reparative therapy. That’s just simply wrong and maybe not even constitutional.

Oh wow.

Ex-gays are treated like dirt. That’s just wrong. But we love trans. Hypocrites.

R168: They really aren't even trying anymore. So incredibly lazy.

Not when it comes to voting^.

The USA needs to collapse into itself. It's well-deserved and long overdue.

R172 I totally agree. This has become a toxic and abusive marriage.

I just want the hard left and hard right to take each other out. There. I said it.

A guilty pleasure of mine, pre-COVID, were the steady stream of videos coming out of Portland of the (non-existent) Antifa and the Proud Boys beating the shit out of each other.

[quote]And in Oklahoma, the reddest states in the country, 35% of the people vote Dem. That goes both ways, dear.

Dear, @ r155 it has nothing to do with how many people voted Democratic but how many people voted and the population of the state.

NY and OK had about the same voter participation rate...but there's a world of difference between a state with 22 million and 3.9 million.

The Democrats are governing extremely moderately. So what's with all the leftwing bashing? Bernie Sanders didn't win the nomination, Biden did, because of conservative black voters. The stuff the Democrats supposedly want to pass is being held up by Sinema and Manchin, not AOC or Ilhan Omar. The rhetoric is not matching the reality.

[quote]This doesn't surprise me. Outside of NY and CA, the country is, beyond a shadow of a doubt, increasingly conservative

You must be such an imbecile. Do you pay attention at all to actual voting or do you think your "feelings" supersede reality? Even when that orange shitstain "won" his election, it was his opponent who got the majority of votes. That has been the case in 8 of 9 god damned elections.

WTF do you think Republicans are creating bullshit laws? THEY CAN'T WIN VOTES.

I'll repeat it for the slow ones here: THE MAJORITY OF THIS COUNTRY VOTES FOR DEMOCRATS AT EVERY LEVEL BY THE MILLIONS. THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE IS THE ONLY REASON ANY REPUBLICAN HAS A CHANCE IN HELL. REPUBLICAN SENATORS REPRESENT ALMOST 45 MILLION FEWER PEOPLE IN THIS FUCKING COUNTRY.

What R17 said x 100,000,000.

R159: "...being annoyed by someone like AOC or trans issues which will NEVER affect your daily life is not the same or even close to the dangers posed by the Republican party and the literal attempts to turn the country into an authoritative one."

Very true. But AOC, trans and other socialist issues like reparations and their 'everyone's a victim' mentality are THE REASONS people are fleeing the Democratic party. And it started in 2014-2015 with Kaitlyn/Bruce Jenner. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if that's one of the reasons people voted for Trump.

Oh, please. Don't make excuses for the complete idiots, racists and bigots who all voted for Trump. The reality of Trump alone should make every single person who voted for him, ashamed of themselves

You have to use ridiculous hyperbole to justify every low life who voted for that complete scumbag. Not a single, hysterical attempt to blame the "far left" can ever justify voting for the most despicable pile of corrupt shit to ever be allowed in the WH. Don't blame the left for being the type of trash who vote for stupid, hateful filth like Trump.

And BTW, you didn't have the "woke" crap or AOC to blame in 2016 when millions of trashbags voted for that moron back then. Despicable people voted for that shithead. Filth.

[quote] I guess that's why we have a Dem president, Dem House and Dem Senate?

If you had read OP’s post, you would have seen that the large shift to the GOP occurred after the 2020 election. The GOP won’t benefit from the swing to the GOP until the election this November.

Thank you, Republican-skewing Gallup, the Newsweek of polling (famous brand, now a shit product), for that push-poll.

R180. I hear what you’re saying. Every time the DUMS win the White House, you'll see a push for trans rights. Every time. They are coming on strong even as we speak! (I.e. the DUMS are in favor of having a 6-5” man wearing a dress to compete against females in sports).

And no, the vast majority of Americans do not identify with the trans community. Rupaul is a NOT a hit show all across America! Nor do the vast majority relate to their lifestyle. However, the DUMS will embrace these insanities wholeheartedly in order to brag about inclusiveness.

That’s why they are plain stupid!

I meant rather r180. Sorry.

The insane, woke left is driving people away from the Dems, especially Latinos.

The Republicans went from "Watch out, the Liberals will rape your sons!" to "Watch out! The Liberals will force your sons to have a sex change!". That's the whole "woke" angle.

[quote] And it started in 2014-2015 with Kaitlyn/Bruce Jenner. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if that's one of the reasons people voted for Trump.

Kaitlyn ... is a Republican.

[quote] Every time the DUMS win the White House, you'll see a push for trans rights.

What form does this push take? What laws are they proposing? Which ones have they enacted?

The only push I see are Death-Cult states trying to punish their trans citizens by singling them out for state-sponsored torture.

I won't id as a Democrat if all my taxes as a childless woman is going towards women with a bunch of kids. I am sick and tired of more been taking from my paycheck and getting way less back in taxes. I am happy I switched to independent.

Here you go (idiot).

*All your taxes? All of them?

You do realize we have like a military, right? We may spend a couple of dollars on that. The socialist Dems just forced *more money on the Pentagon than it wanted.

Again.

The majority of American do not believe that there are more than two genders. They also don’t want to hear a party proclaiming TRUST THE SCIENCE, when they don’t even believe in basic biology. All they see from Democrats and those on the Left is constant scolding and placing taxes and bans on things everyday Americans need. They’re sick and tired of it. As stated before, and it’s 100% true, Democrats are now the Moral Majority of the 1990s. Republicans look like the cool anti-PC, pro-free speech party. The parties have been reversed. Today’s Left believes in banning art and people it doesn’t agree with or anything and anyone who hurts someone’s feelings. The Left of 30 years ago would be saying, “You don’t like it, change the channel.” Now we get lectures. Everyone is walking on eggshells. They’re also tired of being told to stand up and announce their pronouns in school and in business or have their pronouns placed at the bottom of their emails. Suck it the fuck up. Everyone is not special and isn’t interested in whatever the fuck you’ve assigned yourself this week. Democrats have gotten all caught up in this nonsense and this legislate accordingly. Who was that stupid bitch in Congress in tears announcing they she had a binary child again? lmao. Give me a fucking break. White people are the majority and they aren’t interested in people who are paid with their tax dollars being told they they’re evil. Democrats need to wise up and distance themselves from self-avowed Marxists.

Another link (for the idiot’s sake).

The majority of americans dont know much about this and care even less.

They aren't insane loonies like R195.

The elephant in the room none of you want to deal with is the reality that absurdist identity politics is the only left wing thing Democrats have. If you strip them of this, it becomes just another right wing neocolonialist Wall Street shill party.

Uhm…. Texas Governor Abbott IS, in fact, making a big case of this issue. He has declared that if MTFs are allowed to compete in women’s sports that it would mean an end to “women’s” sports.

He is finally correct on this one.

DUMS are always fucking themselves!

>It’s because the Democrats lately have had a strategy where they give into lobbying groups that say, “don’t print this” or “don’t discuss that” in media. But when people have discussions with opposite side family members or friends or people they debate online, the content that the newspapers find taboo inevitably comes up and people read about it, and find that some of it is fact-based. Not to say it isn’t skewed by partisans on the right, but the left doesn’t try to engage with studies/data or whatever the right might try to put out there.

This. 100% People see homelessness and crime in their cities, find it scary and then see that the mainstream news rarely covers it and when it does, seems more compassionate to the criminals than to the victims. And they see the tortured locutions used to try to euphemize obvious problems, like a recent Daily Beast story about a man killing a woman in the subway, which described the perpetrator as "a man experiencing homelessness", because heaven forbid they just call him homeless or mentally ill. It seemed as if they had more compassion for the murderer than for his victim.

If you want people to be less right-wing, then engage them in discussion, don't just hurl insults at people who disagree with you. People may have their mind changed in a respectful debate, but they won't change via insults and taunting them with insults.

As long as Trump and other leaders walk free, low information voters will conclude that January 6 was no big deal:

[quote]Even when that orange shitstain "won" his election, it was his opponent who got the majority of votes. That has been the case in 8 of 9 god damned elections.

It doesn't matter who gets the most votes, because that is not how we elect presidents. Anyone with a brain knows that democrats represent people and republicans represent land. However, the problem always comes down to voting. When Democrats vote, democrats win. But democrats fall for every silly republican trick, every single time.

Let's use CRT as an example. Republicans floated a bullshit theory, the public bit, and the democrats allowed it to get out of control because their only argument against CRT was that it wasn't being taught. You don't fight a fairytale by telling people it's a fairytale.

R193 did I state all my taxes. Did I state military spending. No but you deflect with bullshit.

[quote] I won't id as a Democrat if all my taxes as a childless woman is going towards women with a bunch of kids.

You said "all my taxes" dumb dumb.

Gallup is a Republican owned and operated polling company. You can't trust their polls.

R202, I'm right there with you on the Dems being terrible at messaging, but I'm also tired of complete imbeciles like the ones on this thread who attempt to magnify progressive issues as if they are a threat on par with the right-wings insanity.

[quote]I won't id as a Democrat if all my taxes as a childless woman is going towards women with a bunch of kids

"ALL your taxes, Princess Hyperbole? But you're cool with those taxes going to trillion dollar weaponry killing "a bunch of kids" who never did a fucking thing to this country and only creates enemies after it happens. You're cool with corporate welfare and big farm subsidies. How dumb are you that you think most of your taxes are going towards a woman with a bunch of kids?

right-wing'*

[quote]The elephant in the room none of you want to deal with is the reality that absurdist identity politics is the only left wing thing Democrats have.

The elephant in the room IS the GOP and they were the ones who have used ID politics for decades. My God, you people are lying assholes. Trump's entire platform has been ID politics. He has specifically targeted groups based on what they are! The last fucking klan rally he had just last week was him telling white people they are being put in the back of the line for covid treatment. That neanderthal woman MTG and the other Trump flying monkeys in Congress wanted to create an "Anglo-Saxon" party. Fuck off with the "left's identity politics" crap. The left's version of ID politics is making sure every fucking citizen is treated equally and that their race, religion, sexuality or gender isn't used to TARGET them. It's Trump who exposed that most Republican voters believe they should be treated special specifically based on their WHITE race. Why do you pretend that isn't the case?

[quote]Trump's entire platform has been ID politics.

Republicans and Democrats each have their own brand of identity politics. What's happening now... people aren't buying the Demcrats' version.

Yes, if only Jamie Raskin would talk more about Jewish space lasers. People could relate to him more that way.

Gallup is not a right-wing polling organization.

Don't pull that simplistic shit with "both sides." The very reason what you call Dem ID politics exists at all is so people like you as a gay person could actually have *equal* rights. It's to counter the GOP efforts to treat you like you are not worthy of equality. Dems aren't enacting any laws to get anyone to be treated better than anyone else, so I don't understand this bullshit when you whine about Dem ID politics.. Meanwhile, Republicans have always attempted to promote "white exceptionalism" to complete imbeciles with no money who think the GOP is looking out for their stupid, broke asses. And Trump was the one to loudly trumpeted that supremacist crap from day one.

What I find with so-called moderate Dems who stupidly obsess on this bullshit about "Dem ID politics" is that you're bigots and/or racists towards certain groups and you lie to yourselves by thinking the Dems are looking for *special* treatment for those groups you hate. You're fine with the KKK rallies every Republican holds and you're fine with Trump literally saying out loud that white people are being discriminated against, but don't you dare counter that by trying to genuinely even the playing field. Don't you dare try to make sure every citizen gets a vote.

was the one who loudly trumpeted*

R200: You lying trashbag whore. The local news is NOTHING BUT CRIME CRIME CRIME!!!! You Nazi trolls are such filthy liars. The media is conservative and reflects conservative talking points and framing. Loser trolls like you who lie deserve to be called names. You also deserve to be stripped naked and spanked in the middle of Times Square.

AOC has nothing to do with this Gallup Poll. Neither do trans people. You bigot trolls are not fooling ANYONE here. Get off DL!

This is so typical. Democrats denying and deflecting.

"There isn't any problem. This is fake news. Only Deplorables do phone polls. Gallup is right-wing. Everybody loves Democrats and everything the Democrats have as their platform. La lala, I cannot heeeeaaaar yoooouuuu..."

No one's saying everybody loves Democrats. Or at least I'm not. It's just that the examples you right-wingers put forth are lies or flagrant exaggerations.

R215, here's the thing you don't get: You think polls are on par with actual voting. If Republicans were doing so well in *reality* they wouldn't have to literally CHEAT to win. Fucking C H E A T. They wouldn't have to promote lies about a stolen election they know is a lie to get bullshit laws passed. Most people vote for Democrats. No amount of polls or your obsession with "Dem identity politics" can counter a FACT.

The Dems have a huge problem with messaging, but not a fucking thing they have done is a reflection of what you think they have done. You have to exaggerate progressive positions and go off about complete "woke" bullshit to deflect from the reality of the fucking fascists on the right. Fucking FASCISTS who can't win in a democracy and haven't won the majority of votes in more than a decade. They represent more empty land than actual people.

Right now, Democrats are all about good policy and Republicans are all about good politics. The NH Republican governor refuses to run for the Senate because it was clear Republicans have no desire to do anything other than oppose Democrats, even if they win back all three branches.

R218, exactly. That's what's so maddening about the fools on here shitting on Dems. Dems absolutely are weak in how they promote themselves, but to in any way act as though we're dealing with another side that has even a shred of decency or normalcy, is preposterous. The Republican party offers nothing at this point but conspiracy, lies, hate *actual* ID politics and divisiveness, and worship of a scumbag.

Don't act as though the current Republican party is doing something "right." What they have done is show how cretinous millions of Americans are and I feel no compunction to treat them as anything other than that. If this country goes to shit because of enabling "moderate" Dems who have normalized the evil on the right and demonize the Dems as this insane party where you're expected to have a sex change and be called "them," then I don't give a fuck. It deserves to go down when we have so many assholes rationalizing the disgusting actions of the GOP.

R205, you sound silly. Other scientific polls recently have found similar results. It’s apparent to anyone that the country is swinging against Democrats. Your lack of awareness or denial is the enemy.

The next time some progressives want to confront Sinema in the ladies room, they should force her face in the toilet until she agrees with the voting act. Drown her ass if need be. Joe Manchin is just begging for a blanket party, Navy-style.

The conservative press is a problem. The Dems could be the best messengers in the world, but the conservatives who own and staff the media will never cover them fairly. It's all horse race coverage that ignores policy and accomplishments, because the media wants Republicans in power. We need to break up these big corporations that own the media in this country or we'll never make progress.

And of course, right wing trolls and right wing Democrats make common cause in this thread to attack AOC and anyone to the left of Attila the Hun. What you right wing democrats don't get is that without left wing votes, you can't win elections. You have to have left wing policy to keep those votes as well. The trolls saying the party should purge the left actually want the GOP in power because that is what will happen if their advice is followed.

R222, and they think as gay people, they'd be safe because we currently have gay rights. How the fuck do you think that happened? You think the three Trump SC judges gave that to you?

20% of America cannot lock up the other 80%. The Republican Party is a fraud.

They can of another 31 percent don’t give a shit, r224. Source: human history.

And we friggin blue states have to fund these troglodyte red states full of losers who can't fend for themselves.

It's hilarious that the legislative snafus besetting the Dems on Capitol Hill are all blamed on AOC and Omar and the like when, in fact, it is the Centrist Dems who are causing the problems.

And the fact that Rs are voting to fuck their own constituents isn't even remarked upon. It's just a given and they're never questioned on it.

R223: That's what kills me about the whining about "woke" on here. It's hard to tell who is a troll and who is genuine. I know there are right wing gays, but my god. Gay rights was and is "woke", if that word means anything, which it really doesn't but let's roll with it. But the first gay rights organization in this country, The Mattachine Society, was COMMUNIST! In the 1950s, there were the only political group standing with us. You can't pretend that didn't happen. Nor can you pretend that because we've achieved so much, it can't be taken away and that the very right wing you apologize for won't be the one to injure you. Again, of course, this only applies to genuine DLers who say this and not the straight Nazi trolls who come up in here endlessly.

[quote]Gay rights was and is "woke"

That has nothing to do with what the myriad of things "woke" (for want of a better word) represents today.

R229: 2 things. Woke is fake. It simply means anything conservatives and Far Left Trotskyists don't like. I was giving it the benefit of the doubt. But taking it at face value, you are wrong. Gay rights is absolutely "woke". Sorry, honey, that's reality. Deal with it.

R228, they just witnessed the SC allowing TX to practically go full abortion ban and take a woman's choice away. They also ruled against Biden's covid mandates even as their own workplace proved the hypocrisy of that decision with the Gorsuch-Sotomayor episode. The SC has become a wing of the Republican party. Do these gays think they are immune from the evils of the current GOP and the decisions made by that SC? Good luck with that, but at least it means you won't have to call anyone "they" at your job - if you're even allowed to have a job as a gay person if an employer is legally allowed not to hire you in this utopia of Republican governing.

Gallup is pure trash.

R228, I've said on here in the past that the reason you see openly gay people on TV, in movies, in commercials and in govt among other places is because of so-called "WOKE" people fighting for it. You'd have to be a compete fool to think that an AOC is your enemy vs a MTG or that you think those two are the same but from different political ideologies. No. AOC is not in any way evil or ignorant of her job. She has normal political views, You may disagree with her on certain policies, but it's a normal disagreement. MTG is a hateful, lying, racist, bigoted, ignorant pile of shit who used a fucking AR pointed at the heads of her current colleagues as her campaign ad. She prides herself on being a complete asshole who does nothing for constituents but troll.

"All my taxes" = Sventlana still learning English.

What people complaining about centrist Democrats in Congress don't grasp is that there would not be a Democratic majority in either house without them. And centrists need to get elected in contested districts unlike more progressive Democrats from the coasts or from safe urban African-American districts in the South. For example Manchin is probably the only Democrat coming out of West Virginia now. And that goes for others, most in the House.

True

[quote]2 things. Woke is fake. It simply means anything conservatives and Far Left Trotskyists don't like. I was giving it the benefit of the doubt. But taking it at face value, you are wrong. Gay rights is absolutely "woke". Sorry, honey, that's reality. Deal with it.

Honey lamb,.let's see...so "woke is fake', yet "Gay rights is absolutely "woke". Uh...ok.

Let Obama explain to you the implications of the word today:

AOC’s ‘Woke’ Whine Is Why the Dems Can’t Stop Losing

R234: Don't discount the domestic trolls paid by the Heritage Foundation. And the sickos who actually do this for free in Grandma's basement....

R237/R238: See you're defining the word "woke" in your definition, not the one I'm using and not the one it really was meant to be used as. (Never mind that it was use on Twitter by some throw away account and the right seized on it. No one on the left ever actually use the term). So both of your posts prove my point, the word really does mean nothing. Finally, AOC is pro-gay. If you are gay (and I have my doubts) you will acknowledge this and stop bashing her. But you likely won't. Either because you're not gay or you're one of the uneducated gays I'm talking about, who wants to pretend the left wing isn't the reason you have any rights at all as a gay man.

But thank you for both of your posts, it is a real time demonstration of everything I'm talking about.

Yes, in a big, diverse country like the US, there won't be ideological purity in a coalition like the Democratic party. It's just interesting that whenever there's an electoral disaster (as is likely to come in 2022), the media and establishment types will rush to blame THE WOKE or AOC or whoever when it is the Centrists who call the shots on Capitol Hill.

AOC doesn't have much power. Manchin does. If the Dems get creamed in the fall, Manchin won't take a bit of blame, but everyone will pile on AOC and THE WOKE and all that.

It's ridiculous.

The reason AOC and the squad get blamed is more about their turning off swing voters than widespread opposition. In Virginia, it was enough to turn blue counties less blue and ratchet up the rural and red base.

It’s entirely possible that the left turned out a lot of progressives. But where were those votes? Energizing the CA base doesn’t help in North Carolina, and it might hurt. Given the performance of Democrats in 2020, where a lot of moderates went down, the evidence is strong that the summer of 2020 cost Democrats seats they could have won.

Unfortunately, this is asymmetrical. Batshit crazy Republicans don’t turn off moderates nearly as much.

If Democrats are punished in 2022, it will be because they didn’t focus on the things that people care about and that affect their everyday life. Instead of bills and committees focused on inflation, supply chain, immigration enforcement, education, and Covid, the Democrats wasted a year pushing a “human infrastructure” bill that went down in flames and followed it up with all consuming attack on popular election practices like voter id.

Some political operatives are trying to push a narrative of price gouging to deflect away the lack of action on inflation, but if gouging is real, then where is the 1/6 like committee to address it? Where is the bill to fix it? Democrats are going to waste 2022, like they did with 2021, filled with the sound and the fury, but accomplishing nothing but the BIB and the stimulus bill.

"Woke" is a term that originated in the Black community and had to do exclusively with activism focused on fighting racism until it was co-opted by YT.

I guarantee you it has nothing to do with gay rights.

One of the most popular ideas before the Congress is pharma price control. It polls at like 85% approval. Every other nation with a functional economy has a version of it, except us. It's why Martin Shkreli could buy an old patent for a drug and jack up its prices by 600%.

Well, AOC and those stupid socialists who aren't interested in "popular" stuff, have been pushing it for years. And it got killed. By a moderate Democrat from Long Island, NY named Kathleen Rice.

But Rice won't suffer any consequences for it because she, and the media along with her, can just blame AOC and whoever else for any problems and you'll all go along with her.

The Democrats are doing this to themselves. We shouldn't have picked Biden/Harris. They both suck.

R204 it was a typo error idiot. I meant a good portion of my taxes.

"alt" of my taxes is a typo. "All of my taxes" is a stupid fucking lie.

R248 are you this fucking stupid. Of course you are since you are a progressive.

[quote]The Democrats are doing this to themselves. We shouldn't have picked Biden/Harris. They both suck.

To be fair you'd be saying this about absolutely any other Democratic president.

Democrats shit on their own. It's what they do.

Insults from Nazis are so effective.

R251, what you don’t understand is that there is only a small sub-group of Republicans that wave Confederate flags and meet the stereotype of deplorables. There are far more people who will say things like, African Americans’ income increased under Trump, or that drilling prevents as many oil leaks as it causes because it releases pressure on the natural leak points in earth, or that local rural communities were unfairly denied income that was supposed to come from their national forests when timber harvesting stopped. There are specific, local issues and sometimes it is mostly the Republicans claiming that the issue is there and it is hard to find what the Democratic counterpoint is online. I say this as a Democrat who hears things like this come up in public domain Congressional hearings. One thing we could do better is have better engagement on issues that come up locally and in Congress and form better relationships with people across the aisle. If someone makes a claim, treat them as a human being and respond to it.

Well the thing is that the larger group who aren't Nazis (I suppose) are fine with voting for Nazis and being led by Nazis and will rally around and protect the Nazis if they're at all called Nazis, but we should not treat them as Nazis.

Got it.

R242, I've actually read legislation people like Ilhan Omar has either sponsored/co-sponsored and/or endorsed. Anyone who calls someone like her "radical," hasn't read it and simply judges a book by it's cover because that prejudice is already there against her. There is nothing remotely radical about what she is trying to do in Congress. The fanaticism and the radicalism is on the right with actual terrorists like Boebert who tells a bigoted lie over and over again about being in the elevator with Omar or MTG who stalks someone like David Hogg who just wants reasonable gun legislation . This country is so broken because people who think they are the "reasonable moderates" have no idea what they even rail against when they attack someone like Omar or compare her to the violent trash on the right.

its* cover

R253, no I don’t vote with them. I just notice weak points where things come up in Congressional hearings that are more legal-local in nature and the Democratic response is a non-response. It’s a weak point more than they realize, because local news articles are written about these issues and there’s no counterpoint. If someone were to say, well, I’m reading a right-wing newspaper, maybe there’s a counterpoint I can find, it’s very hard to find a counterpoint. You can understand how people are moving farther to the right, because there are too many issues the left doesn’t respond to. The left argues with the less progressive left and doesn’t engage with the red state issues, which aren’t always about racism.

Is there a media source that isn't right-wing propaganda that has *any kind of widespread popularity in red states? How would the Dems or the left get that message out?

WellR257, we sure as hell know one of the news anchors in SC is raising quite the racist, bigoted peach, so I don't expect the Dems to ever have a voice in SC media.

The posts saying the Dems have to abandon "Identity politics" sort of hints at abandoning "Black voters" who are the Dems most reliable base. If the Dems win in MI, WI, PA and GA; if they have a shot in FL, TX and NC, it's because of black turnout. Those black voters, correctly, expect something in return.

It's as if you were to tell the Rs to abandon "divisive, sectarian politics" by abandoning evangelical Christians, their most reliable supporters.

It's shitty and dumb.

R242: Youngkin did not win VA because of AOC, you fucking troll. My god, you people just want her dead, don't you? You're OBSESSED with her. Get help.

R256: You have posted the same verbal diarrhea paragraphs about talking to these thugs over and over. And you're fucking wrong. You're either completely stupid or a right wing troll. Shut the hell up.

R257: No there isn't. Tom Steyer or Mike Bloomberg or even Andrew Yang could buy radio stations, TV stations, newspapers, websites and the like to target these areas and break up the conservative media monopoly. But instead they either do nothing or launch new "parties" in Yang's case. A lot of rich liberals are really stupid.

You don’t need the media on your side to get your message out. Trump did very well with audacious, attention grabbing messages that resonated with a lot of people. If Democrats would do that (“they are trying to take away YOUR vote”) rather than polite and passionate arguments (“voting rights are central to our democratic experiment”), the media would cover it. Even if they criticized the lack of decorum, the messages would get out loud and clear.

R261: Yes you. The media was and IS on Trump's side. Either for ratings or because they are conservative and agree with conservative policy goals. The asymmetry in media coverage of Republicans versus Democrats is a handicap.

R259 Black voters are why Democrats got saddled with Hillary, and Biden, because the only thing they care about is upholding Obama. Anyone who supported Obama and served in his administration is GOOD. Anyone who criticized him, like Bernie Sanders did, is BAD. Didn't matter to Black voters that Hillary was literally the only candidate that could've lost to Trump. None of Biden's extremely obvious shortcomings mattered either. Because a vote for Bernie would be endorsing his criticisms of Obama and that would just not do. So thank Black voters for all of the disaffected Sanders supporters that have abandoned the Democrats due to their stupid, self-defeating decisions. Really disproving the Bell Curve there, Black voters.

Dumb fucking reasoning. Black voters are more middle-of-the-road to conservative than white Dems are and they are more strategic in who they support. They've spent a lifetime thinking "what is NOT gonna scare the white people" and vote accordingly.

The problem is, and continues to be, how much more radical right-wing white people get. They are impossible to placate. They are able to imagine the most anodyne, middle-of-the-road old white man (Biden) or a kinda-conservative warmonger-lawyer (Hillary) as the second coming of Pol Pot.

[quote] You don’t need the media on your side to get your message out. Trump did very well with audacious, attention grabbing messages that resonated with a lot of people.

Lies. Trump had the cable news media eating out of the palm of his hand when he was running. And when he became President, he had a significant chunk of it ready to tell America that his shit didn't stink and that he was the greatest Genius since Alexander the Great.

Biden has nothing even remotely like that on his side.

When you assholes obsess over "woke" as your enemy or attempt to claim it's the same threat as the right or you dismiss the threat to this country by the right, look and listen to what the right-wing is doing and has been doing long before your stupid ass had "woke" to blame for every problem. And the media does play a role because they don't cover the more important issues like this:

Whatever, OP.

Gallup has always skewed Republican.

The fact that Trump was legitimized even after his birther bullshit, is precisely why the media ISN'T the liberal mouthpiece morons claim it is. Media is about generating $$$$. How stupid must you be to think that stupid fuck was victim to the very thing that created him. He was always absolute trash and yet the media gave him his oxygen because he provided soundbites. I hate the media as much as I hate Trump.

Black voters are the fucking reason we avoided Roy Moore in the god damned Senate, because the majority of white voters apparently have less than no standards. That's why a Palin almost became VP, that's why we have an imbecile for a senator who didn't even know the three branches of govt. That's why Donald fucking Trump, the most trashy, low class, racist, bigoted imbecile to ever enter the WH became the Republican nominee.

Don't attempt to put anything on minority voters when the overwhelming majority of voters who put the stupidest and/or most hateful people in the presidency and in Congress who are all trying to destroy this country and turn into a fascist one, are white voters. They are responsible for the mess we have. Don't dare try and absolve them for why we got Trump. They had their choices among the GOP candidates (as repugnant as they all were), they went for the clown because they liked the klan robe falling out of his mouth. You didn't have AOC to blame when that motherfucker became the front-runner.

Woke is more understandable if you use the older term militant.

Republican is more understandable if you use the older term Nazi.

Black voters are strategic and largely moderate. Given their history they are also extremely concerned about voting rights.

Problem was in the last election the only truly moderate seeming candidate was the flawed Biden.

R270 thinks the scum at the Capitol were just tourists, too, I'm sure.

They also have very low-to-moderate expectations of what the government can do and think over the long haul.

The most common R voter is a white car dealership owner in the suburb of a mid-range city with some college.

The most common D voter is a black female health care worker with some professional training.

The fact that the Dems are always the ones treated as though they have the problems when we're dealing with actual fascists on the other side, is so disturbing. The "both sides" people are tantamount to thinking someone who doesn't mow their lawn is just as bad as someone who sets fire to the entire neighborhood. You want to pretend white privilege doesn't exist when this is precisely what it is. The gall to make excuses for the Republican party and their voters and to blame "woke" for all of the claims of fraud, all of the attempts to steal elections, all of the attempts to kill DEMOCRATIC politicians. Unbelievable

[quote]Gallup has always skewed Republican.

Oh really?

Even when, for the last 25 years, their polls have showed more people identifying as Democrats than Republicans?

Here is the cold hard truth, democratic issues are never going to be viewed in the same way that republican issues are viewed mainly because the tax and spend, give your hard earn taxed dollars to welfare queens with 8 baby daddies has stuck. That's what it's ultimately about and at that's what it will always be about.

The you have the inner working of the party that is almost set up to fail based of the demographics of the party. The democratic party is made up of a bunch of different groups who are, unfortunately, more often than not at odds with one another and at varying times are blamed for the problems the party has at the polls.

Then you have the mainstream media which does not report on democratic policies and politicians in the same way they do republican policies and politicians. The mainstream media spent 4 years trying to make Trump seem presidential, and you all know it's true. They gave him break after break. And you know they're all champing at the bit for him to run again.

Then you have a lot of democratic issues that just don't play well outside of the coasts and they are inflated and made to look like democrats don't care about the average every day "white" American and those insufferable soccer moms. So all of those average everyday white Americans, who do vote, go where you have politicians telling them what they want to hear.

Here's my unasked for advice, meet the voters where they are and not where you want them to be or where you think they should be. Stop "progressive-splaining" to all of these people. Stop calling Hispanics what they don't want to be called. Stop calling people stupid, because all it's doing is making them lash out. If these idiots are voting themselves into a ditch, then let 'em . If they are making stupid life choices, then let them.

That argument about giving money to Welfare Queens is the logic that keeps Manchin's Hippie electorate toothless.

Fuck posting on a phone ^^^HOOPIE ELECTORATE..

[quote] Stop calling people stupid

Can you name me a Dem politician or leader who calls the Rs stupid?

I can name a long list or R politicians who call Dem voters every name in the book.

[quote]Can you name me a Dem politician or leader who calls the Rs stupid?

None. It's everyone else.

[quote]Stop calling people stupid

How about "Low class, trashbag, feces-flinging, flying monkeys who worship an orange pile of petrified dog shit?

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R282 you must be fun at parties. That is a great way to win people over to vote Democrat.

I don't go places where deplorables sit around and do meth, R284.

R285 like the left doesn't do meth. Your comment makes no sense.

Like Deplorables throw parties. Spare me the Kid Rock.

I’d be happy to let them vote themselves into a ditch if they didn’t drag me along for the ride. Sadly I think we’re going to be on the fascism bus for a long time. It’s what the American public seems to have a longing for.

It's almost as if pulling apart the New Deal, which was created as a bulwark against fascism, leads to fascism.

You left out "inbred", R282.

Accuracy is important.

[quote]Don't pull that simplistic shit with "both sides."

R212, Understanding what exists in between isn't simplistic. What is simplistic is the 'black or white' thinking that goes along with the tribalism that exists in today's politics. What you call 'both sides' is what's killing this country...your failure to understand nuance is a problem.

[R282] you must be fun at parties. That is a great way to win people over to vote Democrat.

Sweetheart, no one cares to win over people who think Donald Trump should be at any party, let alone president of the United States. That you think someone who voted for someone like him who launched his campaign based on demonizing groups of people -and that is the precise moment he became the front-runner-is worthy of any respect, is pathetic. People like you enabled what has happened because you've always given leeway to the most repugnant behavior of the GOP. You're trying to treat this as a disagreement over something innocuous and you're just some moderate in the middle. No. You want to ignore the reality of what this is. We have one side simply trying to pass things like infrastructure. We have another side with NO stances except lying about elections, spreading hate and telling bigoted lies about your "terrorist" colleague on an elevator when you were the one giving tours to the parasites who showed up on 1/6.

[quote][R212], Understanding what exists in between isn't simplistic. What is simplistic is the 'black or white' thinking that goes along with the tribalism that exists in today's politics. What you call 'both sides' is what's killing this country...your failure to understand nuance is a problem.

There is no "in-between" and "nuance" when you think one side is the Green New Deal and the counter to that is outright fascism, bigotry and fraud.

[quote]There is no "in-between" and "nuance" when you think one side is the Green New Deal and the counter to that is outright fascism, bigotry and fraud.

Thanks for giving us an example of the tribalism that exists in politics.

R293, it's very easy to speak in generalizations because the actual context of what we're talking about would make you look like an asshole for trying to rationalize the right-wing's current ideology.

It doesn't matter what you say, R293. Anyone who voted for that odious, stupid, lying, scheming, orange filth is a low-life. Full-Stop. And that doesn't mean I expect you to even vote for a Democrat, but to proactively vote for someone as unqualified, despicable and indecent as Donald Trump with all of the garbage he has done and said, well, you deserve no respect. None. Not one shred. And there is not a single Democrat who is the counter to the trash like Boebert and MTG and Jordan and Gaetz. Not one. These are liars and fraudsters who attempted to overturn a democratic election. The Republican Party of today is a cult of fascists and enablers.

R294, You literally gave the extremes of both parties... completely unaware that there's an in-between. You, literally, made yourself look like an asshole with your comment...but go on with your tribalism.

[quote]It doesn't matter what you say, [R293]. Anyone who voted for that odious, stupid, lying, scheming, orange filth is a low-life. Full-Stop. And that doesn't mean I expect you to even vote for a Democrat, but to proactively vote for someone as unqualified, despicable and indecent as Donald Trump with all of the garbage he has done and said, well, you deserve no respect. None. Not one shred. And there is not a single Democrat who is the counter to the trash like Boebert and MTG and Jordan and Gaetz. Not one. These are liars and fraudsters who attempted to overturn a democratic election. The Republican Party of today is a cult of fascists and enablers.

Dear god, where do I start. You can be against both tribalism AND Trump AND republican extremes. This entire post is another example of someone who doesn't understand that people you call "both siders" understand that because something is less worse doesn't make it great for the country.

We shouldn't have to settle for performative politicians...and yes, they do exist on "both sides".

R295, it’s the classic question. Do you want to be right or do you want to be effective? Writing off 74 million voters might feel good to you, but it doesn’t help win elections. Democrats need some of those votes.

So, r298, what's your solution? Please be detailed.

No, R296. You seem to miss the point. That you even think "The Green New Deal" is one "extreme" and the counter to that is simply the right-wing extreme, is why you're insane. WTF does the Republican Party stand for these days? Nothing but fealty to a bigoted, racist imbecile - that is not the counter to TGND. You want to know who is the actual counter to AOC? Liz Cheney - that is who is *supposed* represent the counter. You are ignoring the *specific* reason people like Boebert and MTG are NOT the counter to those on the left. They don't stand for actual, normal policies. They stand for being despicable assholes with no actual stances.

Jay-walking and murder are both crimes. You're treating jay-walking and murder as the same.

There is a difference between disagreeing on a policy like TGND and being an outright fascist, which is what the right-wing has become. You're being lazy when you can't see the difference.

No, R297, there is not a single Democrat who attempts policies that specifically targets people based on their race, religion, sexuality, etc. Trump's supporters gravitated to him the moment he was vociferously bigoted and racist. When he demonized and vilified certain groups, that was the moment his popularity skyrocketed. That is why 1/6 happened. Because a bunch of mostly white, conservative, entitled assholes couldn't accept that their orange sack of shit lost. The majority of this country votes Democrat and has for a long time. The majority of this country will never accept the current Republican Party in its current form. It is a party full of anti-democratic assholes who cannot win in an actual democracy.

Thank you, r300.

And BTW, someone like Youngkin couldn't win if he outwardly attached himself to Trump - that's what you are not getting. And he also didn't win by some huge amount.

That fascist, orange pig doesn't have this overwhelming support throughout the country, not even from many of the Republicans who are his loudest cheerleaders. What they see in him is an opportunity to fuck with voting because they know they CAN'T win when you actually have democracy and you actually have impartial observers. You talk about 74M. 81M is a far greater number if you didn't know, so WTF you are ignoring the wishes of the overwhelming majority to weep for and coddle the smaller number? We need an election that is without the electoral college. One person, one vote. We have a Senate that is not a reflection of the actual population numbers.

WTF are you*

R302, I’m not ignoring anything, most especially the Constitution. 45,000 votes in the right states would have made Trump president. 77,000 would have made Hillary Clinton President in 2016. Good luck changing the Electoral College, as you will need red state votes to do it.

R304, at this point, I'd just settle for none of my blue state money going to a single red state. I'd settle for not a single cent going to the district of anyone who votes against a bill which includes that money. Let's start there. Let's start with asshole Republican congresspeople who voted AGAINST the infrastructure bill and now touting it as their accomplishment? Look at this despicable Republican asshole trying to take credit for a bill she called "Marxism"

Republicans are in fact scum of the earth. Dems are weak as hell, but Republicans are just parasitic:

R302, rage politics has to stop. I feel like what the parties do in the US is the same as what the world did in the Cold War - each side demonizing the other. We all share this country and we all live together, and we have to have a truce, because rage politics makes the world unsafe - the person you yell at today is the person you work with tomorrow. No, the right wing can’t be counted on to talk reasonably about mask policies or workers’ rights or basic rights to food and shelter. Not to start with - the yelling has been going on for too long. So on the left wing you can start by acknowledging whatever their fear really is - whether they are afraid of poverty, or feel their own needs will be ignored in the name of helping someone even worse off, whatever it is - acknowledge it and speak to it, while still protecting human rights.

R300, let me unpack this for you point by point because you clearly don't understand.

[quote]That you even think "The Green New Deal" is one "extreme" and the counter to that is simply the right-wing extreme, is why you're insane.

First, I never mentioned GND. You did. And since you have, here's the 'both side' view of it. GND was highly impractical. Having every home (not every new home, but every home) become green...how? Who is going to pay for it? It also missed obvious solutions like nuclear, and, more importantly, a carbon tax. A carbon tax would penalize corporations who sell goods here but manufacture in countries that don't have environmental standards. And I could go on with what's wrong with the GND...it doesn't mean I'm not in favor of it, I'm just don't like it as written. And for AOC's part...she was a driving force behind the more extreme points in the legislation and I think she was a complete fool for protesting Pelosi over environmental matters. Again, more unnecessary performative politics.

[quote] Boebert and MTG are NOT the counter to those on the left. They don't stand for actual, normal policies. They stand for being despicable assholes with no actual stances.

But they are. The reason why you have extremes in both parties is fund raising. When AOC and the Squad says something outrageous they immediately send out an email and fund raise off of it. Defund the Police was stupid messaging for the party but red meat for the base who threw grassroots $$ at people like AOC. The same goes for MTG and Boebert... it's all about getting $$ from the base. So, yes, there are more similarities than you care to admit.

[quote]Jay-walking and murder are both crimes. You're treating jay-walking and murder as the same.

Actually, I'm not. Reasonable people understand that 'both sides' don't apply to everything. But what people like you fail to understand is that it's not an all or nothing concept. There are, in fact, times where it does apply. Having the wisdom to understand when something is more nuanced than black and white is a virtue. 😉

[quote]No, [R297], there is not a single Democrat who attempts policies that specifically targets people based on their race, religion, sexuality, etc. Trump's supporters gravitated to him the moment he was vociferously bigoted and racist.

Well, so you're telling me the fight over laws that transmen in women's sports isn't? Or that teaching some children that they're privileged* isn't happening? (And before you go down an insane path let me explain my position. I'm all for teaching that POC have been treated awfull throughout the history of this country. I'm not for putting one group down to lift another up. I think there's a way uplift everyone.)

You need to understand that Democrats only rent the suburbs. So those "policies" you say don't exist are a part of what's going to turn those soccer moms back the other way...add in crime and inflation and Democrats have a short term problem.

[quote]each side demonizing the other.

Let's make something perfectly clear: I'm some anonymous person on a site. I have no influence. It is ridiculous to attempt to blame my "name-calling" for why a bunch of despicable people voted for a candidate who *actually* used demonization as the entire basis of his campaign. It is the Republican party that has specifically demonized people by their ethnicity, race, sexuality or their religion for decades. Trump became the GOP nominee because his followers wanted to openly hate people. He is a stupid scumbag and yet he -not the other ones running who may have been evil, but at least they were far smarter- is now the leader of the Republican party. An imbecile who wouldn't know the constitution if Madison himself used flash cards to explain it, is the head of that Klan party. He went to a fucking rally and lied about white people being put in the back of the line for medical help related to covid. We all see what the GOP has always done to galvanize their base: Race-baiting, bigotry, hate. Democrats have never done that. Democrats try to enact legislation that helps racist assholes who still vote Republican, because they do in fact feel entitled to special treatment based solely on skin color. Someone as stupid as Trump could never become president if he were black.

I mentioned the Green New Deal to make a point regarding what you view as the left's "extreme" and you think the current right-wing extreme is the counter to an AOC.

Lauren Boebert repeats a story (lie) over and over again about how Ilhan Omar was in an elevator with her and something about a backpack and essentially calling her a terrorist - because it makes her money with the Republican base. They love hearing that bullshit, bigoted story. Boebert herself gave a tour to some of the people who showed up on 1/6. She tweeted about 1/6. MTG holds an AR in a campaign ad, pointed at the heads of her colleagues.

Show me the examples of Democratic MoC behaving similarly to those two scumbags.

Oh, and I forgot about that trash Paul Gosar tweeting that garbage of "joking" about assassinating his Dem colleagues. Again, show me Dems doing that to their Republican colleagues. Show a single example of accountability by the GOP for the despicable behavior of their members.

R309…you are tribal. You are the base that performative politicians throw red meat to. As long as you continue to think that everything “my side” does is perfect because “other side” worse…You will continue to be the reason ineffective politicians keep getting elected.

R310: The Lord bless and keep you, and let no evil befall you for your excellent posts. But just punch and delete the Nazi troll you're talking to. The giveaway is "vote Democrat" in one of its responses. That's right wing illiterate talk. It's not a serious person, it's just a Nazi trying to make Democrats unilaterally disarm with both sides bullshit so they can seize power.

Yes, please “punch and delete “ me. I can talk about you behind you back!

Stolen from another thread but appropriate for here. I capitalized the money quote. Hey trollboy who says we need to understand, hug and kiss Trump voters: An except from an opinion piece in the Guardian:

In 2019, in the middle of a government shutdown triggered by Donald Trump’s demand for funding for a border wall with Mexico, one news report produced a chilling quote. Crystal Minton, an employee at a prison affected by the shutdown, told a reporter that she did not object to Trump’s objective of building a border wall with Mexico, just the way he has gone about it. “I voted for him, and he’s the one who’s doing this,” she said. “I thought he was going to do good things. HE'S NOT HURTING THE PEOPLE HE NEEDS TO BE HURTING.” To Trump voters, there was a transaction, a sort of informal constitution, that ran parallel to all the codified principles of government and protocols of office. You take care of us, and reserve cruelty and disdain for others. At its heart, this transactional relationship is the one that binds many Conservative voters to Johnson, and his post-Brexit party.

Trump supporters are Trump supporters specifically because they want to be cruel towards others. No decent person could look at someone like Trump and think he is anything but scum. Not a single redeeming quality. Not a one. Pure trash.

r314, doing the right thing by enforcing the laws against illegal immigration is necessarily going to “hurt” the people trying to cross the border illegally. Crystal Minton would be correct in stating that innocent people should not be the ones hurt by immigration enforcement. When we toughen immigration enforcement, we need to be mindful of protecting innocent people while punishing the guilty and those protecting the guilty. It looks like Minton was inartful in her comment.

Some posters going at it is what is wrong with America politically. I think you two need to take it to the street and knock eachother out. While we sane centrists run the country. The adults need to take charge.

We're headed for a civil war.

R317, you're so tiresome. I've said nothing remotely "left-leaning extreme." All I did was put into perspective how full of bullshit you have to be to believe that psychos like MTG, Boebert and every other lying, Fascist, fraud-committing, terrorist prick with their head up Trump's ass, are the counter to AOC or the "squad." As I said, the counter to them would be Liz Cheney. When you accept that fact, then you can call yourself a "centrist" or a "moderate." The moment you in any way, shape or form validate or rationalize or lessen the insanity, the hate, the racism, the bigotry the *actual* extremism put forth by Trump's Republican party and think that is a "political ideology" from the right and a counter to the left, then you have no business calling yourself a "centrist" because you clearly can't see the difference between a disagreement over free college and a party being an actual threat to democracy via state voter suppression laws, lies, fraudulent electorates, etc.

r318, we have been in a Cold Civil War since the Lincoln failure of Reconstruction and the success of the romantic Lost Cause. Now that Whites are nearing minority status, they are going ballistic on securing their political MAJORITY.

I think at some point democrats are going to have to stop running against Trump. That was Terry McAuliffe's problem. He ran against Trump and not Glenn Youngkin. Here's the thing, Trump is gone. No matter how awful he was and no matter how many flying monkeys he left behind to do his bidding, he's gone. You can't make Trump the centerpiece of your campaign, you have to have some ideas with some broad appeal and that don't frighten white suburban soccer moms. And in 2022, democrats better actually campaign. None of this staying in the house because of Covid nonsense. Hit the fucking streets, knock on doors, get people engaged.

[quote]None of this staying in the house because of Covid nonsense. Hit the fucking streets, knock on doors, get people engaged.

Will you be doing your part, r321?

R319 by the way who told you can dictate to people if they can identify as a centrist or not. You just perfectly illustrated my point about extreme tribalism. You are so far up your ass that you can't even see that your comment is polarizing. Both sides want to one up eachother by proving the other side is worst.

R319 also has issues understanding equivalencies, r323. It's quite literal and simplistic in it's thinking.

Why are Democrats so bad at messaging ? They know they are bad at it, have known for decades, yet still haven’t corrected this fatal flaw.

R325 The Democrat's message comes across loud and clear.

Democrats lack the lock step black and white simplistic mindset that is necessary to create and disseminate primal messages that resonate with the masses

I get so tired of being told that Trump is done and to move on. He's not done. He is the most powerful Republican in the country. He is the presumptive nominee in 2024, his to have or give up.

He was smart to not make himself an issue in VA because his presence would have done nothing but motivate moderate women to come out in droves to vote against him.

But the minute the 2022 midterms are done, he'll be back full force, if only to stay one step ahead of the process server.

[quote] I get so tired of being told that Trump is done and to move on. He's not done.

It’s true that Trump will always be out there somewhere in the mind of those obsessed with him.

[quote]It’s true that Trump will always be out there

Especially when he runs for President.

But here the thing, there is always going to be another Trump or Trump himself, but you can't keep running against Trump. You have to have some ideas that appeal to broad range of voters. Trump and Trump-like candidates are bad and evil and will destroy democracy is not something you can keep campaigning on. Eventually, people want something a little bit more.

Medicare for all? Daycare? Paid family leave? Decriminalized marijuana? All these things most or some Dems loudly advocate for.

It would be great if it got any coverage at all, but the American media loves juvenile name calling, horseraces and twitter beefs.

[quote]by the way who told you can dictate to people if they can identify as a centrist or not.

So as a "centrist," you don't believe in the following, correct?:

[quote]Medicare for all? Daycare? Paid family leave? Decriminalized marijuana?

Because the above is precisely what the "extreme left" pushes for.

Here's what it comes down to with these "centrists": They use hysterics and hyperbole to vilify the "extreme left" and can't point to actual legislation pushed by that wing that is in any way "extreme," but still use that hyperbole as the counter to the *reality* of the right-wing which is entirely extreme at this point.

[quote]like candidates are bad and evil and will destroy democracy is not something you can keep campaigning on

Well, why do you think the GOP is getting away with voter suppression? Because people like you can't understand it is a reality that they are destroying democracy right now. It doesn't happen overnight. "Campaigning" will become obsolete when the Republican party has outright minority rule. I mean we're already there with the Senate and with the presidency since Republicans can't actually win via votes.

[quote]way "extreme," but still use that hyperbole as the counter to the *reality* of the right-wing which is entirely extreme at this point.

By all accounts GND was extreme legislation. We do need legislation on climate change but something far more grounded than GND. GND legislation was never going to pass because it proposed things that were too impractical to pass while overlooking practical solutions that would do more good than half of what was in the bill.

[quote]Well, why do you think the GOP is getting away with voter suppression?

Bullshit.

"The Voter Suppression Lie'

R334, the problem is not specific legislation, it’s that the left doesn’t realize the power of compromise. The right doesn’t realize it either, but since I want the left to succeed and I don’t want the far right, especially, to be in power, I want to encourage it for the left and for people in general. For example - when it comes to forest management, yes, we don’t want to lose our forests to climate change or to greedy companies but that doesn’t mean we couldn’t form an across the aisle compromise of some kind with Republicans for whom the economy is suffering and might benefit from forestry related jobs. Even just giving them an extra economic incentive related to park lands might help. That ties into the second big issue which is the taxation of people who don’t really have extra income. The right wing gets them to hate people who are even worse off, but in an ideal world they wouldn’t be facing a tax burden in the first place. If you could help relieve their tax burden- even if they didn’t vote for you - you’d probably reduce the power the right wing politicians have to entice this group. In addition, the hormone blockers that trans kids use were considered unsafe for kids going through early puberty, another group that suffers depression and bullying. Why are the hormone blockers safe for trans kids if they aren’t safe for cis kids? Same with testosterone- in very low doses it’s been used to treat low sex drive in middle aged women. But that’s considered controversial because of cancer risk. If a small dose for a very short time is a cancer risk, what is the risk of a large dose over a lifetime? Marajuana- of course it shouldn’t be a crime to use it, but it has health hazards worse than tobacco and those deserve to be part of the public message too.

[quote]it’s that the left doesn’t realize the power of compromise.

Untrue. The progressive caucus had to give into ONE "moderate" Dem from a state on the dole and a population smaller than Brooklyn alone to get the infrastructure bill passed.

[quote] to get the infrastructure bill passed.

Which infrastructure bill? Because the hard infrastructure bill passed with bipartisan support.

When you only a 50/50 Senate, you aren’t gonna get your agenda passed in totality. We knew the stakes in 2010, 2014, 2016, and 2020, yet we didn’t get the job done. We need to place the blame on ourselves for not winning what we needed

R339, one benefit of continued attempts at bipartisanship is 1) if the parties aren't moving to the extremes, the chances of having an extreme right-wing government in power will decline and 2) if we help colleagues across the aisle in return for them helping us, the relationship that creates will make the right-wing political climate less extreme. Politicians who work together don't try to rip each other apart. And for every left-wing newpaper that only prints along the party lines, there's a right-wing newspaper doing the exact same thing. The net result is no positive change, and everyone trying to block everyone else, and maybe radical changes in policy anytime the vote percentage shifts slightly. So I'd agree the right-wing isn't making an effort at this now; any effort if there is any at all has to come from the left.

There is currently bipartisan support for the Food, Nutrition, Hunger and Health Act, for example.

[quote]You have to have some ideas that appeal to broad range of voters. Trump and Trump-like candidates are bad and evil and will destroy democracy is not something you can keep campaigning on.

Replace "Trump" with "AOC" or "Pelosi" and that is exactly what the Rs have run on for the past 5 years. I'd love to see the hand-wringing by their supporters telling them how stupid that is. But they don't. Cause they don't care about a broad range of voters.

[quote]Cause they don't care about a broad range of voters.

Because they don't have to care. That is what some of you don't seem to get. Republicans don't have to appeal to a broad range of people. They just have to keep making white people feel good and saying stuff that white people want to hear. And in every election, all they have to do is turn enough votes in key swing states to make the electoral college work for them.

And also, republicans don't have to beg and plead with their voters to vote. They just do it. And while democrats focus on the White House, the republicans are focusing on state legislatures and Congress. That's why we're in this mess because democrats don't vote in every election. Our democracy has been in danger for decades, but now we're at the critical point? Please, we passed that years ago.

Well why do you think right wingers wet their panties about being WOKE and whatnot? Woke white people are their biggest nightmare. They need white people to be racist and resentful or their hustle is over.

[quote]Republicans don't have to appeal to a broad range of people. They just have to keep making white people feel good and saying stuff that white people want to hear.

The latest polling shows that Hispanics are now evenly divided between Democrats and Republicans.

r347, let it be said that Cubans have totally bought into their WHITE PRIVILEGE, and then there is the mumbo jumbo Catholic thing for the others.

R348 According to Pew research, most Hispanics identify as white.

Anyway, Hispanics and Asians are catching on to the fact that for the Democrats, "diversity", "minorities", "equity" means "Black".

R349, I disagree. The Asians I know who have moved left did so because diversity, minorities, equity jeans NONWHITE. The Republican Party is the party of white people. Funny how ITALIANS went from being colored people to being white. Some of the most racist people I know are Italian.

MEANS^^^

Damn tiny phome...

Gosh why are Asians and Jews and Blacks overwhelmingly Democratic voters?? Could it be that they recognize a racist party when they see one?

Or are *all of them gulled by the TRANSTAPO???

My money is on recognizing a racist party.

[quote]I disagree. The Asians I know

Not only are the Dems losing ground with Hispanics but polling shows they're losing it with Asians too.

BTW re Hispanics: : "Republican Glenn Youngkin pulled off the unthinkable in his victory in the Virginia governor’s race Tuesday: He won the Latino vote by roughly a dozen percentage points."

[quote]Funny how ITALIANS went from being colored people to being white.

Italians did not go from from anything. They are white. Idiotic Americans do not get to decide such things for Italy or any other country.

New NBC news Poll shows Republicans have a huge enthusiasm advantage amongst their voters. Democrats better wake up fast!

[quote]Italians did not go from from anything. They are white.

My grandmother would disagree.

[quote] My grandmother would disagree.

I sympathize. I know it’s difficult when an elderly family member has mental decline.

Or maybe you're just too stupid to realize "white" is a fungible term. Who qualifies as "white" has changed and broadened over time. Maybe pick up a book and you'll learn something.

[quote]Who qualifies as "white" has changed and broadened over time.

The world does not care about how America qualifies who is white and who isn't.

And America doesn't care about the world, mostly.

But when talking about American racism, who America qualifies as white is sort of germane.

And my guess is R359 is like from Sandusky, Ohio.

R360 I have lived most of my life outside of the US. Do you even have a passport? Comments like "Italians aren't white" is the kind of provincialism the US is famous for.

The biggest conversion to White was when White Evangelicals accepted White Catholics into legitimacy. Prior to that, Catholics were Mary Worshiping Papists.

White Heterosexual Evangelicals control who gets all their civil rights.

Not for long!

Most Millennials/Gen Z are even more liberal and pro LGBTQ than middle age dems. I think this will be the last hurrah for Babyboomers who became Yuppies who are now MAGATS.

I hope you're right, but I feel like white Gen Zers will be just as likely to be racist turds as their parents.

[quote]The biggest conversion to White was when White Evangelicals accepted White Catholics into legitimacy. Prior to that, Catholics were Mary Worshiping Papists.

Religion dictates race? This makes no sense. There are black evangelicals and Germanic catholics. You're conflating race with privilege and respectability, which is telling.

Not really r364. Not when these generations have already acknowledged their crushing student loan debts and their inability to find living wage jobs really sucks. They realize that living with their parents at age 30 is a big ‘fuck you!’. Their agenda is vastly different from dems our age in their 40s-60s.

r365, it's about certain white people, who determine what other white people are worthy of civil rights. Black evangelicals are not on the list.

r65, it is hilariously displayed in the CBS comedy Ghosts when Hetty talks about...THE IRISH.

The Klan of the 30s to the 50s thought Catholics were just a little better than Black people, since they had loyalties to a foreign power (the Pope) and engaged in religious practices American Protestants thought of as akin to voodoo.

My guess is that the troll on here who refuses to understand this is trying to point out something about how dumb SJWs are or something but is too drunk or dumb to be able to make a clear point.

Corey Richardson: Democrats stand to lose 50 years of work over four years of Trumpism because they failed to understand that 2016 wasn't about their opinions of Hillary Clinton personally. It was about affirming the Obama mandate broadly. People who equated Trump and Clinton have no credibility.

[quote] People who equated Trump and Clinton have no credibility.

They are not equal, but they were both bad choices. Hillary was a completely unacceptable candidate for millions of Americans. The powers that be who cleared the field to allow Hillary to be given the nomination are the ones to blame for what happened. Anyone other than Hillary would have beaten Trump.

[quote]Hillary was a completely unacceptable candidate for millions of Americans.

Every presidential candidate is a completely unacceptable candidate for millions of Americans.

R372, these millions are the ones who gave her an Electoral loss and sent her wandering through the woods with a bottle of wine asking what happened.

I’m skeptical that other, conveniently unnamed Democrats would have beat Trump in 2016. He beat 16 other Republicans in the primaries, leaving them completely in the dust. Biden would have been great I’m 2016, but he opted not to run.

[quote] I’m skeptical that other, conveniently unnamed Democrats would have beat Trump in 2016.

I’d say that politics is not your thing then.

Nice, r375, but I have lot of evidence that says otherwise. Since you are so politically astute, who do you suggest could have beat Trump in 2016?

Biden would have. And probably Bernie. But that's about it, especially of the field that ran.

I smell Bernt flesh.

[quote]He [Trump] beat 16 other Republicans in the primaries, leaving them completely in the dust.

No he didn't. Trump won with a plurality, not a majority. If the Republicans in 2016 checked their egos and consolidated the slate like Democrats did in 2020 then we wouldn't have had Trump as president.

If the Republican base weren't a bunch of angry, bitter racists with persecution complexes the size of Yankee Stadium, then he wouldn't have won the nom.

R380 but that's the point...the base during the 2016 primary wasn't nearly as pro-trump as it turned into. He didn't leave the other candidates "in the dust" as the other poster suggested.

I'm sorry but it didn't "turn into" a fascist, xenophobic death cult because Trump touched a magic button. It was already that. It finally found a candidate as mean and ugly as itself.