Let’s retire the word lesbian

It’s so funny. Sylvia Rivera, who is now being seeing as a trans pioneer, along with Marsha P. Johnson, had a few words about the word lesbian.

The comments are turned off on YouTube. Couldn’t be because Sylvia would have thought todays alphabet soup is stupid.

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Lesbian = female same sex attraction. It’s an accurate word that supports the reality of biological sex.

I never understood why there was a special word for gay females when gay men don't have an equivalent word. Gay men are greater in number and more visible in the gay community, so I would think they would have the specific word defining them.

Oh do shit up, r4.

Never heard of Sappho, r5?

"Cane Ladies" was quite current ten years ago

Bread Pudding eaters? Crab Walkers?

I hate the word too. It is an ugly word with ugly connotations.

Fuck you, OP!

R4 Lesbian are called Lesbian because gay men pretty much monopolized the term. The term gay in relation to same sex attraction was associated with men long before it was associated with women. As early as the late 1600s, gay had begun to refer to carefree and amoral pleasure. A “gay house” was a straight brothel, a gay man was a womanizer, and a gay woman was a prostitute. This gave rise to the expression gay boy, which was basically a gay male prostitute and it is from this that gay began to mean same sex attracted men.

Lesbian is a fine term. Women deserve their own language.

Not even trying anymore

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[quote] Oh do shit up

Um.

Let's retire the word QUEER while we're at it.

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[quote]...when gay men don't have an equivalent word. Gay men are greater in number and more visible in the gay community, so I would think they would have the specific word defining them.

They do have a specific word: Faggot!

I’d rather envision retired lesbians braining the OP with their canes.

I'm a gay woman. I dislike the word lesbian. I don't like being reduced to a single noun. I'm a woman, and I happen to be gay. So I'm a gay woman.

R18- amen girlfriend!

No sane person could ever dislike the word "lesbian" after this brilliant defining moment in the history of the word.

There is a word for gay men.

I agree OP.

There are male Lesbians on an island in Europe after all.

Why not use another word like amazon & be done with any male connection all together?

I thought Sappho was a detergent!

r23

Lesbian can also be an adjective, r18

Well apparently in UK English, zami and tribade are synonyms for lesbian. Pick one.

R4 In many languages, "gay" is used exclusively to refer to men. Homosexual women are always called lesbians. English is kinda an exception to the rule.

My women loving friends say they're Lesbyterian.

I've already seen more than a few instances of "gay means whatever I choose it to mean" (paraphrased). It's not a safe haven either, it's already in many colonizers' sights.

R22 Excuse you?!?!

I've said it before on this forum, the word is just ugly. It's offensive to the ears.

In my 20s, I thought "lesbian" sounded exotic. At the time, I felt "gay" was reserved more for the men (as we didn't have our own special label akin to "lesbian"). It also seemed weird to refer to a woman as "gay." Now, it seems to be accepted as an umbrella terms to cover both sexes. It doesn't seem as weird to call women "gay". But, I still like the term "lesbian."

I refer to lesbians as lizards. When they are cute they are little lizzards (lay-zards).

I’ll continue to use LESBIAN and include LESBIANISM in all communication. Thank you.

R4 the Brits didn't believe there were Lesbians. Anti-gay laws were written for men.

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Lesbian is an ugly word and that's why the modern term is sapphic. You are behind the times, fellas.

Sapphic really does sound better.

What wrong wit the word lezbin?

Take a national vote of lesbetarians, let the wimmin decide.

Lesbian lesbian lesbian

Only verified, womon born womyn should decide.

[quote] the Brits didn't believe there were Lesbians. Anti-gay laws were written for men.

Straight males are more apt to look down on gay men but consider lesbianism perfectly okay because those gals do the same things to females that they like to do. It just demonstrates how hypocritical (and dumb) straight males can be.

LesbianX

I always used the term lesbic myself.

Are you into lesbianism?

I know I may be old fashioned but lesbianism has always left a nasty taste in my mouth.

Lesbonic

[quote] English is kinda an exception to the rule.

Whose rules you have yet to master.

Only AFABs may make the determination of what they want to be called.

Anything else is LITERAL VIOLENCE!!

MAN ON THE LAND!

MAN ON THE LAND!!

Daughters of Bilitis

Just imagine how the residents of Lesbos feel about it all.

I’m pretty sure they enjoyed the tourism dollars it brought before the Syrian refugees arrived.

I've never known one personally, but isn't Mr. Danny Thomas a lesbian?

how about lezzies?

Wesbian, pwease!

"Straight males are more apt to look down on gay men but consider lesbianism perfectly okay because those gals do the same things to females that they like to do."

Straight males are only "okay" with (pseudo) lesbianism when it's a "hot-girl-on-hot-girl" performance for THEM.

I prefer "they're playing tennis"

Use "queer" and be done with the ugly L word, gay men's cooption of "gay" and that silly alphabet soup. Problems solved.

Leave lesbians alone!!!

Lebanese

[quote] Leave lesbians alone!!!

I never even touched one of them!

Trust me.

You have animus against gay women?

I like to say, "Lesbianian" from the island of Lesbos. Much more soothing to the ears.

R46, when selecting audience members to chat-up, Dame Edna never picked gay guys. They were too clever in their responses. Edna chose husband and wife Seniors to kid around with,

Lady lovers?

On "Bob Hearts Abishola" last night, relatives referred to their niece's Lesbianity.

Having been to Lesbos quite a few time r53, I can safely say that the type of tourism the visiting lesbians are extremely parsimonious and not willing to spend much.

The misogynist lesbian hater at r59 who thinks he can erase lesbians with the truly ugly queer - a term the purpose of which is to invalidate same-sex attraction and to subsume lesbians, gay men and bisexuals into the great trans "embrace" - can bog off.

The alphabet soup should definitely be thrown out though. Dump the homophobic T, and let's call ourselves with real words that clearly mean same-sex attraction: lesbians, gay men, bisexuals and variations thereof. We share much but are not the same so I prefer different words for homosexual women and homosexual men, although gay is fine for women too.

I'm happy with the word lesbian and am happy to be a lesbian.

Girls with Venetian tendencies. Very soothing to the ears.

Home Depotbians

I've never liked the word "lesbian" and I never use it to describe myself when telling people face-to-face. I always say I'm gay.

That said, here at DL, where the lines are oh-so-clearly drawn, I say I'm a lesbian whenever I want you gentlemen to know I'm a lesbian. Mostly, you just assume I'm a gay man.

Very Competitive Female Athletes

A handy gal to know.

Takes after her father

It’s funny because I know a few different gay women who hate the word and just want to be called gay. And if I recall correctly (I could be wrong), but didn’t Ellen say this as well (that the word lesbian is creepy sounding or something like that)? If not her, it was some white female celebrity.

Both men and women should just be "gay."

Then we can get rid of the fake "Queer", and have "Gay Pride" and "Gay Rights" and stop the infiltration of the fake alphabet soup people who are basically str8s trying to take over our own movement......not to mention the "Ts" who have nothing to do with us since as THEY CLAIM, gender identity has nothing to do with sexual orientation...... ergo get the fuck out!

Gay men, Gay women, gay people, Gay Pride, Gay Rights. So easy!

How about “beguine”?

R72, don’t change on our account. If you’re not comfortable referring to yourself as a lesbian and prefer gay, then by all means say gay, even here. Just add the modifier female so we know we’re not referring to a gay guy.

[quote] with the truly ugly queer - a term the purpose of which is to invalidate same-sex attraction and to subsume lesbians, gay men and bisexuals into the great trans "embrace" - can bog off.

The word queer also suggests there’s something wrong with us for liking the same sex. That’s what I hate about it. There’s nothing wrong with same sex attraction; I’m not ‘queer,’ I’m gay.

R77 rocks!!

you and all your alter ego accounts have been on a roll here lately defacto. sad.

R82 is a paranoid

He sure is. For some reason he has me pegged as defecto.

Guess he doesn’t know how trolldar works.

I'll stop calling them lesbians when they stop calling me butt licker.

R85,? I’ve never heard that

Lesbians lick butt too, r85.