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On ftm and “gay” men situation- revolt against heterosexuality

I know that gay men tend to hate this topic because it makes it seem like homosexuals are being erased. But I think that there is more to this situation that meets the eye. For one thing, the ideas of sexuality and sex are becoming an afterthought for a subset of gen z. I came to the conclusion that part of the reason for gay FTM is that they have discomfort with heterosexual. They don’t like how heterosexuality is portrayed and identifying as gay men to circumvent it. I think that a quarter of them know that they’re not male or really men. But they don’t want identify as women or females. I’m not sure how to the explain the guys who entertain them. Though, there does seem to be a push for people to be bisexual in porn. Even some of my heterosexual acquaintances notice a trend to some type of pansexuality in porn. It looks like only homosexuality is being erased, but so is heterosexuality. We’re just the canaries in the coal mine. Sooner or later, heterosexuals will probably face the same issues. In fact, the rise of ftm is just the first sign. Ftm are just symptoms of a larger problem.

by Anonymousreply 37March 11, 2022 9:33 PM

Take your grade school ESL trolling elsewhere, fuckface. It's somewhere between 1:45AM and 4:45AM on a Sunday morning in the contiguous U.S. right now, you goddamned moron.

by Anonymousreply 1January 16, 2022 8:47 AM

Trans = LARPing!

by Anonymousreply 2January 16, 2022 8:59 AM

I don’t understand what you’re trying to say in your thesis and I refuse to respond.

by Anonymousreply 3January 16, 2022 9:02 AM

A lot of FTM these days are straight/bi girls who have hang-ups about straight sex for sure. That's why a lot of them become obsessed with gay porn and the idea that they are 'gay men in women's bodies'. They're heterosexual women who can only allow themselves to enjoy sex with a man if it's 'gay' and therefore egalitarian. They see man/women sex as inherently misogynistic and try to escape that dynamic through transitioning.

The men who like them are typically obsessed with sexual novelty and many fetishize the idea of being 'turned' by pussy. A lot of these gay men have major unresolved issues with what they view as the 'unnaturalness' of gay sex in my experience. Both sides of the equation are dealing with shame very often.

by Anonymousreply 4January 16, 2022 9:09 AM

There is a LOT of pressure on girls when they hit puberty. Intense pressure surrounding their looks and their bodies, that most men can't ever fully understand. Part of the FTM trend is simply girls opting out of femaleness because of this, they want relief from the pressure and they see maleness as a default identity where boobs and beauty aren't a problem. There's a subset within this group who don't even really seem to want to be male, they just want to be neuter, because they don't really present as genuinely masculine, they want to look like Justin Bieber when he was 12. Forever. With this group there seems to be a rejection of adulthood and sex altogether.

by Anonymousreply 5January 16, 2022 9:18 AM

[quote]I don’t understand what you’re trying to say in your thesis [bold]and I refuse to respond.[/bold]

But...but...

Oh, never mind. 😑

by Anonymousreply 6January 16, 2022 9:39 AM

[quote] Part of the FTM trend is simply girls opting out of femaleness because of this

Exactly, a lot of them are simply freaked out by the expectations and pressure placed on them. The shit that's expected of women sexually now thanks to an entire generation of straight guys who've been watching hardcore porn online since childhood is ridiculous--just look at all the stories about women getting choked in bed out of nowhere, with no discussion beforehand, much less consent. And the guys seem baffled that a woman might not want that, since all the chicks in porn do it. That's what those girls are up against.

by Anonymousreply 7January 16, 2022 9:44 AM

Slash fiction, manga and other female fantasies about gay identity also play a role in this madness.

by Anonymousreply 8January 16, 2022 9:46 AM

Alright, OP, I'll bite. I'm not FTM at all, but I do wear men's clothing and dress like a dude as I've done since around middle school and high school. Why do I do this? Honestly, it's very simple. It started out as me "disguising" myself from men who were basically predatory.

I remember being 13, very obviously walking home from school given the book bag strapped to my back, and every now and again cars would honk at me as I was walking by. At first I thought I was doing something wrong and couldn't figure out what it was. It wasn't until one night when I briefly ran away from home after a fight with my mother (long story) that I figured out what the "honking" was about. I was walking down the street, at night, by myself, aged 14, and a grown-ass man who appeared to be in his mid-thirties pulled up along side of me and asked "Aye ma, where are you trying to go?" I ignored him, but he decided to slowly follow me until I ran into a gas station and asked the dude behind the counter to call the police. The man had sped off by the time I ran into the gas station.

I figured out by 14ish that when I dressed "like a boy" I didn't get male attention and felt "safer" walking home from school alone. So, eventually, I became comfortable with dressing like a boy. It became second nature and easier. Albeit there were a few lesbian rumors going around school, I didn't particularly care, as long as guys left me alone.

Fast forward 20 years later, and I still wear men's clothing because I'm just used to it at this point. But, I 100% "identify" as female. I'm just a chick in flannel and cargo pants, no big deal. I think what happens with FTM, is that it may start off like that, but they take it to a "clinical" extreme because they're attracted to men, but straight men "come on too strong" and make them feel unsafe/threatened with their approach.

TL;DR: This is all the fault of predatory, perverted straight men and neglectful parenting; specifically the father.

Thanks for coming to my TED Talk.

by Anonymousreply 9January 16, 2022 9:51 AM

R9 Great post. Girls like yourself are also being told by the trans community that dressing that way is 'proof' that you are really trans. A lot of girls are being sucked in by this idea. Being a simple tomboy in 2022 must be confusing.

by Anonymousreply 10January 16, 2022 9:54 AM

This is also why girls get "danger hair" (dying the hair in ugly toxic colours - stereotypically green or blue), and why they get a bunch of fugly piercings in their faces. It's about disrupting the male gaze. It's not only about so called "attractive" girls warding off men, it's also about less attractive women signalling that they reject the beauty standards required by men, and that they're "taking themselves out of the race" and avoiding rejection/judgement.

by Anonymousreply 11January 16, 2022 9:59 AM

r10 Yeah, it's ridiculous. My best friend is a lesbian and, like me, was always a tomboy and dresses masculine. Several people have asked her in the past few years if she was going to go on T, and we still can't figure out why considering, also like me, she's always been a tomboy.

That's all it was in more sane times; being a tomboy. Now, today, we have people asking us what our pronouns are, and shit. I just say I'm a female. Somehow, that's not an answer to the pronoun question.

by Anonymousreply 12January 16, 2022 10:17 AM

Just because you’re female doesn’t exclude you from using whatever pronouns you would like to use. Live wild, chose something fun with a bit of flair!

by Anonymousreply 13January 16, 2022 10:23 AM

R13 Imagine equating quirky pronouns with living wildly. What a shallow and superficial existence these people must live.

by Anonymousreply 14January 16, 2022 10:39 AM

[quote]Just because you’re female doesn’t exclude you from using whatever pronouns you would like to use. Live wild, chose something fun with a bit of flair!

Yeah, because that's the whole idea of gender, science and language.

(rolling eyes)

by Anonymousreply 15January 16, 2022 7:28 PM

I don't think heterosexuality or homosexuality will be erased. What's happening now is just a trend that is already peaking and slowly dying. Most young men are still very heterosexual. The only "queer" and "fluid" people you see are young women and it's certainly a revolt against rigid gender roles. And most of these people are social media addicts. The young people who work many jobs, have hobbies, play sports and go outside a lot aren't onboard with this.

Studio porn is dead and doing whatever it can to stay relevant by getting flashy, gimmicky and pandering to fetishists. Most people seem to agree amatuer, vintage or the gay stuff is better.

by Anonymousreply 16January 16, 2022 7:36 PM

I just want more young men to come out as bisexual. Many are denying their happiness by forcing themselves to be straight and they end up making the girls they date or marry miserable with them. Yes there is hetero privilege but many bisexual men prefer other men and would be happier and more at peace by sticking with men. Being able to fuck women does not mean they always fall in love with them

by Anonymousreply 17January 16, 2022 7:50 PM

[quote]Being able to fuck women does not mean they always fall in love with them

Honestly, that's like 99% of straight men, too, so...

by Anonymousreply 18January 17, 2022 3:41 AM

R18 Yes. Because many men are also homoromantic just as many women are. Many straight men prefer the company of other men but they don't have any sexual attraction. There are many forms of love and close friendships between the same sex are a form of strong love. Plenty of straight men get married due to social expectations of forming a family, they may love their wives but they don't always want to be around them all the time and would rather be with their male friends. Bisexual men have the bonus of being sexually attracted to other men thus able to fall in love too but may still choose to be straight out of social obligations and desire for hetero privilege.

by Anonymousreply 19January 17, 2022 3:54 AM

Love doesn't exist, r19. It is nothing more than oxytocin going unchecked. Sorry.

by Anonymousreply 20January 17, 2022 4:28 AM

Oh, and I'm r9 for psychoanalytical context, lol.

by Anonymousreply 21January 17, 2022 4:29 AM

R20 You're speaking of romantic love which I agree. That's based on sexual attraction. But obviously love exists between parents and children, between siblings and between life partners and close friends.

by Anonymousreply 22January 17, 2022 4:30 AM

What does LARPing mean?

by Anonymousreply 23January 17, 2022 4:31 AM

Animals show love towards each other too. It's bonding because cooperation is more beneficial to survival of the species than competition. Homosexuality evolved to ensure same-sex bonding and reduce competition.

by Anonymousreply 24January 17, 2022 4:32 AM

[quote] just look at all the stories about women getting choked in bed out of nowhere, with no discussion beforehand, much less consent. And the guys seem baffled that a woman might not want that, since all the chicks in porn do it. That's what those girls are up against.

0/10

by Anonymousreply 25January 17, 2022 4:33 AM

R17 No they don’t. You and I know Bi men have it easier when they settle down with women. They don’t even have proclaim their sexuality because it’s more trouble and uncomfortable than it’s worth for them.

I don’t know if there will be a point where bi guys are comfortable with their attraction to men but as of right now for most it’s strictly sexual and most of the time on the DL unless they do porn but that’s another discussion.

by Anonymousreply 26January 17, 2022 6:04 AM

If you want to know where things are ultimately going to go with "bisexual" men, look at any of the major civilisations before the rise of Christianity and Islam. In most of them, male homosexual activity was very widespread and accepted, with specific conditions. That seems to be the "natural" state of things for humans when religious prohibitions aren't in force.

by Anonymousreply 27January 17, 2022 6:54 AM

Men would express their bisexuality more if monogamy wasn't socially imposed.

by Anonymousreply 28January 17, 2022 2:52 PM

No, they'd express it more if society wasn't so homophobic. If it was acceptable MOST of them would be doing it, because that's always been the way all through history when it was acceptable.

by Anonymousreply 29January 17, 2022 7:58 PM

Men throughout history have not been 'bisexual'. That's LGBT propaganda. Most male bisexuality in history was fuelled by sex deprivation and gender segregation, not by an innate desire to fuck both sexes.

by Anonymousreply 30January 18, 2022 2:48 AM

[quote] In most of them, male homosexual activity was very widespread and accepted, with specific conditions. That seems to be the "natural" state of things for humans when religious prohibitions aren't in force.

As R30 points out, it happened that way in those cultures because of the treatment of women, where they were kept very confined to the domestic sphere with little mixing of the sexes outside of it. You see the same thing now in places like Afghanistan and Middle Eastern countries. It's not because all men are inherently bisexual and would let their freak flags fly if they could. It's much more akin to the situational homosexuality found in prisons. If women aren't available, then something else is used as a replacement. But leave it to DL to delude itself about the past.

by Anonymousreply 31January 18, 2022 9:57 AM

You're suggesting that women weren't widely sexually available in Rome? What utter bullshit!

by Anonymousreply 32January 18, 2022 10:01 AM

R32 Roman men weren't screwing other dudes all the time. That's a bunch of rubbish.

by Anonymousreply 33January 18, 2022 11:54 AM

Situational homosexuality is bisexuality. These men mostly are attracted to women but if they are capable of having sex with men then they're not heterosexual.

by Anonymousreply 34January 18, 2022 12:17 PM

If gay men were put in prisons with women and developed situational heterosexuality then they aren't truly homosexual either.

by Anonymousreply 35January 18, 2022 12:23 PM

Some men will do anything to avoid the bisexual label. Having sex with a pretty boy or a MTF is not heterosexual. If you try out with another men and like it and keep at it, you're not straight.

by Anonymousreply 36March 11, 2022 5:32 PM

OP, you're overthinking it, it's well established that lesbian FTMs are usually autistic and straight FTMs are usually victims of abuse.

by Anonymousreply 37March 11, 2022 9:33 PM
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